trump seems to make a lot of easily avoidable rookie mistakes.

>>733656256
Well this is his first year begin president

>>733656438
even bush, who everyone thought was very dumb, didnt do as much bizarrely dumb stuff as trump, like praising 3rd world dictators, posting unfounded conspiracy theories, firing the people investigating him, contradicting his underlings, etc.

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>>733656438
The problem is he isn't making first year in the majors mistakes. He's making first year college mistakes.

>>733656567
Hey when you shoot from the hip there will be some misfires but most bullets are hitting their targets

>>733656737
He went from being unquestioned where he could shit can people for looking at him wrong to being under a microscopic and he isnt a career politician

>>733656824
he's under federal investigation for obstructing justice, his muslim bans have been struck down for overreaching, he can't get his own party to support obamacare repeal, and republicans have actually started mentioning impeachment.

he is not hitler like the lib-cucks would have you believe. but he is doing a rather poor job so far.

>>733656256
Yah, an anti-intellectual who employs sycophants and has no government experience is pretty prone to mistakes. How people didn't see this happening to be begin with is beyond me.

>>733657156
>he's under federal investigation for obstructing justice,
He fired Comey for being a fuckface not because he was being investigated. Nothing will come from that.

His ban shouldn't have been struck down. Any judge that did was an Obama appointee liberal bitch

>>733656256
He's not a politician. Politicians on both sides, shadow government and media all resent him because his very existence makes a mockery of them all.

>>733657238
He is still 100% better than Hillary

You'd do the same if you had dementia, op

>>733656824
There's a tortured metaphor. Sounds like it slithered out of /pol/ somehow.

>>733657156
His muzzie bans were struck down because dems in the judicial are deliberately thwarting his actions. They haven't got a Constitutional leg to stand on, and would or will lose on appeal.

>>733657435
No, it'd pretty much be business as usual with her right now.

>>733657601
Typically, constitutional scholars don't use the word "muzzie".

>>733657581
nope, i dont go to /pol/ made it up on the fly. Probably why its not that great.

>>733656567
He wasn't dumb by any means. The media portrays Republicans that way because they're mostly left leaning.

>>733657371
uh, not the op you're replying to but, he flat out said in a broadcast interview with Lester Holt that it WAS the Russian thing. Like - flat out.

Two of the judges that struck down the ban were appointed by GW Bush.

Not sure if you're stupid or just trolling?

>>733657629
>>733657629
Yep, business as usual, with lots of graft. Pay to play. Using the IRS to go after opponents...

>>733657629
>business as usual
Yeah she would be selling America to the highest bidder right now. Praise Trump. MAGA

>>733657698
Invalid argument.

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>>733656256
He appears to be proud of his incompetence.

>>733657789
the 9nth circuit gets a near majority of their rulings over turned bc they suck at their job

>>733657789
>WAS the Russian thing. Like - flat out.
Yeah it was that they wouldnt say he was in the clear which he is they are looking into his team and Comey wouldnt clear his so he cleared out his desk

>>733657601
Not Dem judges. Try again, this time, go back and do a bit of research.

Or, just listen to Hannity on FOX like you have been. It's all cool, you don't have to be knowledgeable about this or anything, it is the internet after all.

Hi Democratic propaganda machine. Nice lead pic- sex will surely grab more attention than an actual on-topic image.

>>733658025
Most certainly Dem judges. Look it up.

>>733657907
>assumes every post must be an argument
>says he doesn't frequent /pol/
I'll take "non sequiturs" for a hundred, please, Alex.

>>733656256
Shut the fuck up and just post pictures

>>733657870
i dont get this argument.

"sure, trump is making many costly errors but he won and hillary lost so therefore everything he does is acceptable!"

just because hillary lost that doesnt mean trump shouldn't try harder to do a good job and overcome his flaws.

you could say "yeah, trump keeps fucking up but at least charles manson isn't president, amirite???"

>>733657986
not only 9th circuit, keep trying FOX viewer.

>>733658015
every single member of the senate intelligence comity and the former cia director have ZERO proof after a year of investigation

WHERES THE BEEF anon?

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>>733658049
like this one

>>733657789
>wo of the judges that struck down the ban were appointed by GW Bush.

A federal judge in Hawaii is making headlines after temporarily freezing President Donald Trump's revised ban on travelers from several Muslim-majority countries.

In a 43-page ruling, US District Court Judge Derrick Watson issued a scathing rebuke just hours before Trump's revised travel ban was to go into effect Thursday.
"The illogic of the government's contentions is palpable," he said of the ban, which would have temporarily barred travelers from six Muslim countries from entering the United States.
Watson's ruling came after he heard Hawaii's case against the revised ban. The revised ban replaced the one Trump signed in January that was stopped by another federal judge.
Here are five things to know about Watson:
He was Obama's nominee
He was Obama's nominee
He was Obama's nominee
He was Obama's nominee
He was Obama's nominee

>>733657986
Gotta expect that when words like "muzzie" show up in all the majority opinions.

>>733658212
the DOJ began the investigation under 10 days ago, dude.

>>733658212

That beef is classified.

(There may or may not be any actual beef.)

>>733658264

Yup.

>>733658170
Your argument continues to be invalid, as I have never said snything about /pol/

>>733658212
Right and Comey wouldnt go out and say that Trump was cleared so he got fired

>>733658312
why is it that no president before trump was so totally incapable of writing a well-reasoned executive order that would avoid being overturned by his predecessor's appointees???

if trump is that incapable then he is not fit to be president.

>>733658149
Watson is registered as an Independent.

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>>733658212
this anon doesn't understand there's an ongoing investigation and this week Micheal Flynn pleaded the fifth to slow the process on collecting more materials and yes possible evidence.

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>>733658181
How about a pussy shot, then.

>>733658533

At this point I'm leaning toward dementia being a real possibility, like another Anon alluded to.

He absolutely isn't dumb. It's all a trick. Im from México and we ser this practically every election period. He says he will do something amazing that a big group is bothered with and meanwhile is in power steals every cent he can and dissapears when all ends

>>733658533
Probably because they werent being undermined by everyone and had some support

Everyone irrationally hates trump so now matter what he does or what orders he issues they will be challenged even without grounds to do so

>>733658721

Why has his mouth been photoshopped?

>>733658427
thats bs bc if there was beef they would have already been action. every single member and yesterday the former cia directors said "no evidence at this time"
this has been going on since last summer when obama made it known he wanted an investigation on the trump campaign
>>733658521
comey is a fucking hack are you a lefty flip flopper on comey? is this the third of forth time youve changed your mind on comey in the past year?
>>733658357
obama admin. agencies have been looking into trump campaign since last summer. and every single person when asked infront of congress hasnt presented any proof of collusion just rumors , lots of shit gets investigated but in this country you are innocent until proven guilty
>>733658691
its a been almost a year see above everyone EVERY single member has said "not at this time"

>>733658533
>>733658741
the obama administration literally created the travel ban

>>733658691
A Michael Flynn quoted as saying, only guilty people plead the 5th.

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>>733658877
That's the way he holds his mouth.

>>733658937
>>>733658521 (You)
>comey is a fucking hack are you a lefty flip flopper on comey? is this the third of forth time youve changed your mind on comey in the past year?
No. Fuck Comey. He got what he deserved

>>733658761

I would believe this if he weren't doing everything possible to draw attention to himself.

>>733658349
that is irrelevant when the bill didnt say anything like that and was created by the obama administration

>>733658801

If you think people don't have very rational reasons for hating the shitgibbon you've a screw loose yourself, m80.

>>733659105
i agree, also with op that trump makes lots of mistakes/missed opportunities that is not typical for politicians and more often then that really is bc he speaks ad lib he doesnt give a silver tongue to listen to but meh losts of blunders and just like any administration i am not going to trust anything at face value regardless of who is in charge

>>733656256
Look, here's the deal: Poor, under educated white men have felt out - especially in the rust belt. They're not smart enough to go out and get an education and unwilling to move to a more prosperous area. So they elected somebody to "shake it up."

Protip: No government is the same as a sole proprietor business. Trump never took his company public because he never wanted to answer to stock holders. If you're a US citizen, you are essentially his stock holder. He doesn't want to answer to you or anybody else. He wants to be a dictator - benevolent and loved, but a dictator nonetheless. Every dictator has their followers - often rabid and cult-ish in behavior. He cannot lead, he has no experience at that. It is not at all as easy as it looks. You actually have to listen to other people. Saying you have "great, tremendous, instincts" does not work in governing a populace.

He lacks the capacity and desire to change. If he did, he could change policies in this country that would last 20 years. This situation was obviously predictable.

>>733659404
list out the objections.

"he is going to kill all Muslims"
"he is going to deport all Mexicans and tan people"
"he a Russian spy"

>>733659440
I'll take a truthful blunderer over a well spoken liar who means nothing they say

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>>733658741
Someone recently made a psycholinguistic inventory of his public pronouncements over time and came to a similar conclusion. He is seventy, after all, and has had a hard life of processed fast-food, so senility should be in his cards. Poetic justice, really, considering all the fake medical documentation his trumpsters came up with to "prove" that Her Reptilian Majesty had subcortical dementia.

>>733659126
It's part of the plan. Make the things look like he is trying to do something good but a years later when someone take a closer look at the tiny writing he already has been doing it with other intentions but it's too late to avoid it or fix it and anyone cares it because the new Mr. Fucker president is doing the same.
We were living with this like houndreads of years and only a few ones notice it.
It's really sad that your poasibility to grow and make a better life is in a place you don't like at all and you have anyone to be with

>>733659595
agreed. its no surprise the the past 3 presidents have all expanded executive power and congress is complicit so as shitty as it is it does makes sense that stupid people and someone who can read between the lines would sell a strong man story to victory, it is what the left has fought to bring into the culture and everyone including the right has bought into it for the past 20 years
>>733659788
me too but there is no proof trump tells the truth infact its the opposite he just doesnt in a non politician sounding way which is refreshing but lets not oversell bc if he fucks up we gotta call him out otherwise shit will turn into the uk where party loyalty is the only that matters which leads to a bigger government that promises the world to its particular supporters. also i understand the sentiment to combat the leftists elites like hillary but she is not part of this discussion but thank God she lost
>>733659881
you fell for the okie doke

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>>733656256
THE SPICE MUST FLOW!!!

>>733656567
>>733656922
The obvious tin-foil hat answer is that all of his rookie mistakes are news bait to cover up real shady dealings while the power is present.

However, your English comprehension leads me to believe that you are not capable of discussing such matters.

>>733658190
Argument like these >>733657870, are just either raging trolls with nothing better to do or actual idiots who think making logical fallacies will somehow prove a point, and best left unattended.

>>733660421
>The obvious tin-foil hat answer is that all of his rookie mistakes are news bait to cover up real shady dealings while the power is present.
im a different anon but think about what you said for a second. do you honestly believe that the democrat media industry would ignore a real scandal to talk about TWO FUCKING SCOOPS instead? youre givng the exact same answers you are condemning dude

>>733660606
I actually never said I believe the tin-foil hat answer. I think he's just a whacky puppet with too much time on his hands. For his sake though, the tin-foil dealings are more complementing.

>>733660873
>whacky puppet
for who?

>>733660873
okay my bad i thought you were trying to be an ironic fag about it, i understand, carry on

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>>733656256

Fuck off shill

>>733660606
>>733660873
My referring them as "tin-foil" should have proven insulting enough, right?

>>733661101
>>733661101
>My referring them as "tin-foil" should have proven insulting enough, right?
this place has changed how i sometimes interpret text that I read here unfortunately

I think we can all agree that its nice to have a president that was actually born in America again

>>733661301
Dont let him off the hook. You were right and he is trying to back away from his statements

>>733661011
I mean for money making schemesters that he has put in power with his position. Not that they haven't been obvious or anything. Rex Tillersauce, etc. But in that regard most presidents are poor in the same way, but they jusy didn't defund science or act like it was cool. I'm in the sciences so I have a special interest in that regard.

>>733656256
Trump is not making any mistakes, he's just a corporate puppet like Hillary, just different owners...

>>733661370
Wow, I knew Trump supporters were stupid but don't they teach the states in elementary school?

>>733659595
I agree with this anon, for what its worth

>>733661507
What science did he defund? The EPA and climate change research?

>>733661650
>don't they teach the states in elementary school?
They do and Kenya isnt one of them

>>733661489
perhaps but if thats the case he has cognitive dissonance and i cant fix mental illness only tell them to fuck off but at the same time i honestly do not believe that most the oconversations i have with people online are even real people or authentic opinions so i just kinda gave up on actual responses, fuck this timeline

>>733661370
>>literally retarded
the poor thing...

>>733661774
That's right.
Hawaii is though.

>>733661833
blame hillary she started the rumor

>>733661833
So, he wasnt born there

>>733661931
And he wiretapped Trump, right?
And the world is flat.

>>733661815
Just keep buying the lies they sell you. He isnt Muslims and Michelle isnt a man either i guess.

>>733656256
trump is a cuck, plain and simple. trump supporters only consume bullshit right-wing news. they arent bad people, just poorly informed.

>>733662075
He didnt do it himself and they didnt actually tap wires but yes

>>733658937
hey retard. the DOJ began their investigation 8 days ago.

8 days is not a year, donald jr.

>>733662085
Your bate is so stale, fuck off fish fag

>>733662165
it is bad for the obama administration to investigate possible enemy spies apparently.

>>733662249
Typical liberal douche bag, wont believe the truth when its presented

>>733656737
Um isn't POTUS A job for the Majors? I mean Good ole USA has a lot of people who are relying on POTUS for their safety Rookie mistakes are a big no-no and Trump is already threatening 25 MILLION lives with his Trump-care

>>733658937
We are investigating Trump's obstruction of justice now, the crimes he committed in the last month. So no one was investigating it a year before it happened, genius.

>>733662305
Now its was a spy hunt? Before it didnt even happen now you have to search out the commies?

>>733662483
If there was no Obama-care there would be no Trump-care to threaten people

>>733662510
what didnt happen? i dont understand your argument.

needless to say, trump's support is still relatively strong, but his near-constant flubs may soon catch up to him.

>>733661675
The NIH and an 11% cut to the NSF? That's kind of a big deal for physicists like me who depend on large grants from NSF and DOE. I just finished work with my group on a million dollar NSF grant last year.

Cutting NSF funding reduces afforability for people to obtain higher education (beyond B.S.). In a research university, graduate students funding comes largely from his/her advisors grant funding. Professors choose to 'take on' students as the grant includes a labor cost. Not to mention the implications of slowing scientific advancement as a nation.

>>733662590
so its ok for trump to be a terrible president because obama was terrible????

>>733660421
I mean, he could be doing shady dealings while also being an idiot. I think people give him too much credit

>>733662198
the entire obama administration and every intelligence agency has been looking into this shit since june and every single one of them has said "no evidence at this time" idgaf do the fucking investigation the issue i have is when everyone like you is sreaming their fucking head off when all sources point "not a fucking thing atm"

>>733662488
what fucking crimes?

>>733662619
You asked if Obama tapped Trumps wires incredulously as if it never happened then switched to he needed to do it to find spies.

Trump is the ultimate fag, cuck, nigger lover.

>>733661675
>>733662622


And I didn't even touch your climate change puke, but to be honest, there is no harm in research, so to defund it is pretty petty--just because you don't 'agree' with it, doesn't make it not worth understanding. That's not how science works.

>>733662738
OBSTRUCTION

OF

JUSTICE

>>733662622
>That's kind of a big deal for physicists like me who depend on large grants from NSF and DOE. I just finished work with my group on a million dollar NSF grant last year.
lol get fucked then we dont need to fund you for all your projects make some money or get some angel investors

>>733662665
He is working to fix the issues left for him but you cant blame him for the mess he is trying to clean up. You have to give that criticism to the person who made the mess

>>733662748
correct. obama never "tapped" his "wires"

>>733662665
You need to ask a retired Arkansas coal miner with black lung disease about the value of the ACA (Obama care)

>>733662826
>>733662826
>OBSTRUCTION
>OF
>JUSTICE
for firing comey?
KEK DO IT FAGGET IDK its just hilarious that you pretend to know what the laws are.

>>733662875
but he's doing such a bad job cleaning up the mess. literally anyone off the street could be more professional than him.

>>733656438
A president is surrounded by advisors, who are supposed to be a team of smart, dependable people.

Trump has three problems here:

-He's dumb as fuck
-He appointed a bunch of dumbfucks to give him ideas
-He hardly listens to them and does dumb shit

Contrast that with Obama, who relied on the advice of his team and worked with the State Department to not fuck up every single conversation with every goddamn world leader.

>>733662964
dont be too surprised when trump retires to avoid impeachment over obstruction of justice

>>733662981
>A president is surrounded by advisors, who are supposed to be a team of smart, dependable people.
>Trump has three problems here:
>-He's dumb as fuck
>-He appointed a bunch of dumbfucks to give him ideas
>-He hardly listens to them and does dumb shit

Trump hasnt filled a lot of the underling rolls so there are still a bunch of Obama people around fucking with him and leaking stuff. He needs to fill those jobs with new people and things will get better. It is an error on Trumps part for not doing it already

>>733662941
>>733662981
>Contrast that with Obama, who relied on the advice of his team and worked with the State Department to not fuck up every single conversation with every goddamn world leader.
>our allies lost confidence in us
>gave our enemies billions of dollars
>racial tensions stoked for no reason even though multiple investigation proved that no racism was involved
>obama DOJ became politicized and eric holder directly was responsible for american agents being killed
>lorretta lynch meeting with bill "to talk about grandkids for 30 minutes"
>the shitshow that is the clintons
what a bang up job he did
>>733663073
>dont be too surprised when trump retires to avoid impeachment over obstruction of justice
there you go again jumping to conclusions despite ZERO evidence as per every single member of the investigation
and again I DONT CARE i have loyalty trump if he broke laws then fuck him. why are you making this into a dick riding contest?

>>733662971
You say that now but once you put that random person in charge and they are being told something different by everyone and being yelled at for everything they do even how much ice cream they have they will fall apart

>>733663073
>>733663355

dammit i meant to say i have NO loyalty to trump

>>733662850
Haha wow, I'm not even going to try and explain the elementary research feedback loop created by big business's desire for profit driven, specialized research; you can look that up.

However, are you really retarded enough to believe that you don't need fundamental scientific research? To understand the cutting edge of material science, energy science, and fuck even weapon science?

>>733657986
No, that stat is totally wrong.

The 9th gets overturned on a majority of their cases that the Supreme Court decides to take up. Which is almost none. The Court only grants cert to cases it wishes to review for legal error.

In 2015, the supreme court heard 11 cases from the 9th circuit, and overturned 8. The 9th circuit saw 12,000+ court cases that year.

>>733663355
>retires to avoid impeachment

Immediately freeing himself up for criminal prosecution as a private citizen? Please fucking do

>>733663657
Pence would pardon him.

>>733663657
The Lawyers are already sharpening their Quills for the day

>>733663805
And kill the GOP? Pence, the guy who it turns out lied about not knowing about Flynn, pardons a criminal President?

>>733663856
Yeah just like they got Nixon....

>>733663520
>However, are you really retarded enough to believe that you don't need fundamental scientific research? To understand the cutting edge of material science, energy science, and fuck even weapon science?
do you not understand we are having serious economic issues right now? your acting butthurt bc less research grants are being done, its not even 100 million thats being cut so stfu. the projects your talking about are super fucking huge and will get money from somewhere else if it is important enough, the tax payer doesnt need to give you everything you want
>>733663553
right on thank you for correcting that then, ill have to go do some more reading about them then. having said that then i retract my statement as not a valid argument in that regard. having also said that i dont see whats wrong about banning travel form countries that are getting fucked over by hidden terrorists

>>733663897
Trump would never resign but if it ever happened he would be pardoned at any expense. You have to be smoking rocks to think they would let an ex-president get hauled into court

>>733663553
Also that ratio of cases overturned is totally normal, the 9th circuit is actually only the third worst in that regard.

>>733663995
>i dont see whats wrong about banning travel form countries
Thats because there is nothing wrong with it

>>733663995
>literally stated my personal interest
>"Huwwaaahhh stop liking with what I don't like"

Too bad fuck boi, I will always get public funding in my 500k salary because people fucking love science, understanding the universe, and the meaning of life. And with it, I don't mind paying in a little extra for your sorry welfare ass to drink another dew before you pound your sister.

>>733664453
the money cut is a drop in the bucket to the money that is still handed so quit bitching

>>733656824
>obamacare
>no wall
>ISIS still going strong
>Clinton not in jail

I'm curious, what actual improvements have happened as a result of decisions or policy changes made by Trump?

>>733656567
This tbqh fam

>>733665150
Neil Gorsuch's appt kept the supreme court from going totally liberal

>>733657601
You sound very learned. Tell us more professor!