Christians....

>>733138398

so all 3 sons fucked their mothers?

have you been on 4chan lately? the number of mumcest threads and you still think it can't happen

athiests: 0 christians: 666

>>733138494
Good point.

>>733138584
When did I say I was an atheist?

How can you know that they had only three sons not like dunno a hundred of sons

>>733138620
Shortly after you said you were retarded

>>733138398
hot as fuck

>>733138398
3 sons?!?
Those assholes birthed TRIBES
Yes lots of incest, but they didnt have a life expectancy. They lived and fucked for enough time to produce a sustainable population
Many sons and daughters
All fucking

>>733138398
Not only this, but Noah built the ark and only his family was onboard, so when the floods subsided the Earth was repopulated through incest a 2nd time.

>>733138898
i came
those christians are kinky fuckers

>>733138898
i guess that explains your mental retardedness

Spirit beings.

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>>733138398

>>733138657
Because the book doesn't talk about them so there's zero justification for saying they existed, if you're coming from a biblical standpoint.

If you're a desperate apologist then anything's possible. Of course this would also mean that God is the architect of the Matrix and Xenu is real. Once you go outside the book, ANYTHING is possible.

>>733138704
I never said I believed Genesis.

>>733138755
gross.

>>733138805
Where does it say that in the bible?

>>733138898
major plot hole.

>>733139018
Xenu's thetans maybe?

>>733138398
White people are a product of repeated incest.

>>733139080
ooh, sciency

>>733139047
Honestly surprised there are not more.

>>733139066
you never said you weren't retarded either, that was just heavily implied.

3 sons?
I went to catholic school and they told me the sons of adam and eve were cain and abel.
when their business was sorted cain wandered the earth and found a woman to be his wife. I never understood that this wife for cain was just out there waiting for him.

>>733138398
Wrong. Cain went to the land of Nod and had kids with their daughter(s).
>>733138898
Also wrong. Noah's family was accompanied by locals who provided them with their skills whoch were needed to rebuild civilization.

How the fuck did people, fellow Christians included, ever fall for this meme? Read your fucking bibles.

>>733138398
http://biblehub.com/genesis/5-4.htm
After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.

if you are giong to argue a point with the metaphorical bible like a strictly-literal-interpretting retard, at least pick on the 800 years part.

>>733139066
"All we are told about Adam's offspring is that the first son was named Cain, the second son named Abel [Genesis 4:1-2 ], then after Abel's murder, another son named Seth was "begotten when Adam was 130 years old." After that, Adam "begot sons and daughters" [Genesis 5:3-4]. This same passage also tells us that Adam lived for 930 years [Genesis 5:5]."

>>733138898
the earth wasn't flooded. cities were flooded. populations outside of the doomed areas were fine.

>>733139282
how wrong is
>>733139047

>>733139191
>when their business was sorted cain wandered the earth and found a woman to be his wife. I never understood that this wife for cain was just out there waiting for him.
this OP, you don't know shit

>>733139191
You forgot Seth, grandfather of Noah.

>>733139282
Oh OK, that makes the Noah myth totally believable.

I'm totally convinced he was able to get the Kangaroos from Australia, the Lemurs from Madagascar, Sloths from South America, and Wolves from Alaska on his ark.

Seems legit.

>>733139066
it's a little cringey how you didn't even research your euphoria ahead.

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>>733139382
>God still killed more children than abortion and Satan ever did

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>>733139498
yeah but if you're gonna count, then you can also count the ones he created and saved, so it's not like that reasoning would work against anything.

>>733139574
>He forbids murder
Guess it makes sense what with >>733139047

5:4 The length of time Adam lived after he became the father of Seth was 800 years; during this time he had other sons and daughters

Ya goon

>>733139282
That's ridiculous.

>>733139385
Likely accurate. Lots of people wrote the canon known as the Chritian bible. Not only is much of it summarizations of preexisting works, as evidenced if Genesis (THIS IS THE BOOK OF THE GENERATUONS OF NOAH, THIS IS THE BOOK OF THE GENERATIONS OF MOSES, etc), but people have taken it upon themselves to say shit like "THIS IS THE COMPLETE AND INERRANT WORD OF GOD" to bolster their own standing and neglect unincluded information that would have challenged their misconceptions.

Sincerely,
A devoted Christian

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>>733139838
You're right that makes way more sense

>>733139382
citation needed.

>>733139574
So if I only kill 1/3 of the living breathing people I, the holy FATHER, created I'm still a good guy.

You have to be really brainwashed to rationalize that.

>>733139911
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired by God
Its a shame you can't blame the humans for this one.

>>733139488
Genetic preservation is an rediscovered art. Yes, Christians can be ancient astronaut theories too.

>>733140058
Can't wait to kill my children, after all i created them so i have the right.

look man the bible isn't meant to be taken literally
roman catholics (the only not savage religion) literally have every single belief they're supposed to believe laid out in black and white in the catechism and a lot of it is super open ended so it all boils down to don't be a dick anyway

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>>733139911
Finally, something interesting.

Let me ask you then, as a "devoted Christian". How do you feel about the same 'previous works' argument being made about Jesus? After all, no one disputes that the Gospels weren't written down until decades and centuries after they allegedly happened.

>>733140141

>>733140065
>>733139047

>>733140065
Very nice anon

>>733140091
>Genetic preservation
So how do you get the DNA for the sloths in South America without going to South America? Using scientific buzzwords doesn't fix the problem.

>>733139879
Such is life.

>>733140065
Well I guess Timothy was a smug prick.

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>>733140091
>Christians can be ancient astronaut theories too.
I really like thinking about that old stuff in terms of ancient aliens.

Oh this is a fun book somewhat along those lines

Pastwatch: Redemption

One of the subthemes has to do with why columbus killing off the natives was a good thing.

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>>733140268
No my son. Life is not worth of being mocked. Only stupid shit like Santa, Xenu, and Jehova are ridiculous.

>>733140065
>All Scripture is inspired by God
More than that - "This is the word of the lord" goes beyond inspired by

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>>733140222
>>733140111

>>733140483
Pretty sure that is not in the bible, just something the Catholics invented.

>>733140233
He was in the Gilgamesh epic where ape people had to be taught by hookers to be human and someone fought mechanical bulls with laser beams. Fuck yeah he could have gone to Australia.

>>733138398
Im an atheist, but genesis 5:4 said that Adam was a randy dog later in life

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>>733140547
Feels good man

>>733140439
Comedy wouldn't be such a respected art had life not been filled with ridiculous shit.

I like how theologically unsophisticated people think literal reading is even intended in every case. Just so you know, it's pretty much only Hasidic Jews, WASPs, and Muslims that insist on literalism.

>>733140611
They wanted to invoke that spooky cult appeal a little more i guess.

>>733139191
It was lilith? God made Eve twice.

>>733140853
Well it is the word of god, so you not taking it literally is blasphemy. I mean God did tell you to kill all gays and non believers, but you should ignore that part, even though it is the word of you almighty, allknowing god.

>>733140807
Do sit at the back of biology class laughing you head off at the material?

We're talking about the biology of incest.

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>>733140853
I agree, why would any followers of a religion take it literally.

>>733138398
holy shit man can get pregnant

>>733141037
Fuk muh nek

>>733139382
U cant go around just making up stuff

>>733140989
>you not taking it literally is blasphemy

I know you think you're trolling here, but that's not what blasphemy is.

>I mean God did tell you to kill all gays and non believers...

Where? protip: you won't find it

>>733140853
hasidic jews are based af
>hater

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>>733141037
lists scientific method and quantum mechanics.

>>733141191
Isaiah 34:7
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

Psalm 29:6
He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn

Job 39:10
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Numbers 24:8
God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn:

You better start taking this seriously m8

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atheism is the religion of not getting laid

>>733140218
I've never found anything that mirrored the life of Christ. Some people say Horus, some say Osiris, some Tammuz or Dimizu, some say Lucifer himself, but I am of the opinion that these stories are glorifications of the attempted (and earthly success) of the overthrow of He who is behind all of creation.

>>733141374

So, you couldn't find the part where the bible commands killing all gays and non-believers, huh? Checkmate.

>>733141142
Same can be said about Auschwitz.
>There are no 6 million

>>733140431
I've heard good things about this author.

>>733141387
>glass_stones_throw_houses.epub

>>733141473
That wasn't me, think that shit is in Leviticus or something.

>>733140989
This. At some point you believe all of it, or none of it. That's why they came up with the Gospels being ineffable. Because people had doubts.

>>733141577
Also dragons though
Revelation 12
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads

Psalm 91:13
Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet

Isaiah 27:1
In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea

Isaiah 43:20
The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls

Jeremiah 14:6
And the wild asses did stand in the high places, they snuffed up the wind like dragons

Revelation 12:4
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born

>>733141387
Christians have to be married to get any pussy and they're only supposed to pound that one piece for the rest of their life.

Your move, asshole.

>>733141466
Regarding the OT you seemed to actually be rational, but now you're blaming every question on some invisible Boss-level bad guy?

Dude.... just, I can't even.

>>733141024
Inbred kids look funny. Sure.

>>733141577

The part in Leviticus that you are referring to says homosexuality is an abomination. It never says people are to kill people for it.

Also, on the point of the unicorn, you're aware that when the KJV bible was translated 400 some odd years ago, the word unicorn was faily common name for the variety of rhino that only has one horn, yeah?

>>733141473
Leviticus 20:13 on the gay thing. Pretty fucking clear.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2015/01/22/yes-the-bible-does-say-to-kill-infidels/

regarding the 2nd part.

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>>733141617
They had some wicked heroin back then.

>>733141768
no, salvia

>>733141757
You are willfully ignorant.


Leviticus 20:13New Living Translation (NLT)

>13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

>put to death
>death

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>>733141617
>woman with a dragon
>seven crowns

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>>733141757
Couldn't agree more

>>733138398
Look, I don't know what your implying here, but for the record, I'm very into it.

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>>733141837
Heroin addicts "chase the dragon"

>>733141617

Revelation is a vision, and post-dates the other books of the bible by centuries. It was included in the canon because the Council of Nicaea liked it more than the other apocalypses floating around at the time. Note that Jesus himself -never- mentioned hell as a place of eternal torture, and likely never conceived of such a thing.

The other references you list are clearly poetic in nature. Crap man, you even list one in psalms.

Try harder.

>>733141621
>Christians have to be married to get any pussy and they're only supposed to pound that one piece for the rest of their life.

You seem to think all Christians believe Paul or something.

>>733139282
>Anonymous 05/20/17(Sat)16:16:32 No.733
Lol and where and when did god create the land of Nod? it just happens to be there. and gods created other people. when stating Adam and Eve are the only ones? fuck outta here

>>733138398
no, we come from the assorted generations of noah and his siblings, and their assorted wives, who were long long descendants of the few hundred of mankind he put on this earth. we may have some really minor ties to adam and eve, but 90% of adam and eves descendants died in the flood.

>>733141843
>sex with another man as with a woman
That's impossible. He's going to stick it in another dude's vagina?

>>733141957
>>733141957
yeah but salvia it what they had and im pretty sure heroin doesn't make you trip balls

>>733141843

Capital offense? Then, it's a crime that should be handled by the courts, right? How does that jive with your conception of a command to all Christians to kill them?

You seem like the one that is woefully ignorant.

>>733138398
Yeah, and according to the Bible "the Lord God is a sun and shield", what's your point?

>>733141621
How many people have tried to claim that they were God? Enough to warrant the suspicion that someone who was actually close to God went the same way.

>>733142048
>pretty sure heroin doesn't make you trip balls
There's only one way to find out.

>>733141037
Because that's what a religion is. Taking theories literally to explain how we were made.

>>733141843
>New Living Translation
I use that for toilet paper. That passage is more concerned with adultery than homosexuality. Note they never say anything bad about the eunuchs. God loves femboys.

>>733138398
What I find utterly funny and ironic about this story being taken literally is that this would mean we are ALL inbred relatives because of it.
Which also means we're all committing incest anytime we fuck. Thus, committing a sin.
That WOULD explain a lot about hummanity's recent direction, however... especially in the US

>>733142177
opiates just make you feel good/get addicted
they're not hallucinogens

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>>733142183
We have something for that now

>>733142233
dubdubs confirm.
saccellum kekelum or smth

>>733141965
Again, the bible is neither complete nor inerrant. There are still rational Christians around.

>>733140141

this: >>733142183

>>733138398
I fail to see a problem.

>>733138398
Lilith had already left the garden by this point

those who left the garden are the first in the chosen people

i assume this means other people were created before that?

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>>733138398
someone make a porn comic of this

>>733142382

You're wasting your time. The kids here just want to argue about shit they don't understand. Eventually one of them is even going to say something like "yeah, well who created God, huh?!?"

>>733142399
religion is more for moral structure
esp. for a time when people were doing heinous shit but were still in a societyish sort of living arrangement

>>733142177
No there isn't. It doesn't. You don't trip on alcohol or barbiturates.

>>733141962
Paul included works in the NT are part of the NT so if you don't believe they're scripture then you are on the fringe. There's always going to be people on the fringe.

I think Christians cherry pick the stuff they like and reject the stuff they don't. Selective belief and mental gymnastics.

>>733142026
citation needed

>>733142032
you can ass and mouthfuck a woman.

>>733142057
I'm just correcting you on the book you're proclaiming but haven't read.

>>733142233
Ok, which translation doesn't say that?

>>733142525
my understanding is heroin shuts down your emotions ....all of them

>>733138398
TL note: to avoid incest, adam and eve's 3 sons went to the neighboring village after the fall of adam. how that village got there is never stated

>>733142525

Chronic alcoholism causes changes to the brain that can result in hallucinations when alcohol is consumed.

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>>733142508
Fuck me thats a good question

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>>733138398
Its like poking holes in the harry potter movie, who what why and how? Magic.
B-but the b-bible says ....? Magic m8
Christfags:ova 9grand
Atheists:unda 9grand

>>733142514
So you're saying without religion we'd be in Chaos?
I don't think so. Humans generally have their own 'moral compass' granted in the past that has been fucked up with slavery, rape, thinking Jews are people etc.

>>733138584
Bitch I'm 12 and FUCK YOU NIGGER APE!!!!!!!!!

>>733142627
Exaclty. Gaping plot hole.

>>733142674
agreed

>>733142584
>citation needed
the entirety of genesis shows that noah was mostly descended form man, not appearing in the lists of names of descendants of adam and eve. did you skim those parts anon? they're there for a reason.

>>733142276
Incest is allowed in the Bible. After Sodom and Gemorrah Lot fucked both of his daughters because God told him it was all right.

no im saying religion is a sort of protomorality specifically designed to reign in savages

>>733142793
>>733142683

>>733142584
English Standard Version
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

English Standard Version
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.


not the one you were talking to and i have no dog in this fight but just giving a source

>>733142627
it was started by the generations of man, created on the fifth day or so. adam and eve came about on the 6th or seventh day. they were in gods image, whereas we might not be, us being descendants of man.

>>733142793
rein in *******

>>733142584
>Paul included works in the NT are part of the NT so if you don't believe they're scripture then you are on the fringe. There's always going to be people on the fringe.
>I think Christians cherry pick the stuff they like and reject the stuff they don't. Selective belief and mental gymnastics.

Paul has been pointed to as a heretic since at least the first century. Even Jesus' own brother and the other apostles sought to out him as a heretic and keep Christians from following his teachings.

>I'm just correcting you on the book you're proclaiming but haven't read.

You aren't correcting anything. You said the bible commands people to kill gays, but then turn around and list a passage that says it is a crime and a capital offense. That means it's something for the legal system to handle (Rabbinic courts at the time) and not a command for every believer.

>>733142627
my understanding is the bible is the story of the first man

"man" being the first of the chosen people and that sub humans has been created already and were around

so adam and eve are people

and the goem are not but can be breed with

>>733142683
Humans most definitely do not have an innate moral compass, it comes from either religion or society. The default human condition is self preservation at the expense of everyone and everything around you. The only reason we behave civilized is because we live in a civilization.

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>>733142508
true dat

>>733142810
So religion is for savages?
it certainly seems that way. can't really think of any horrible event in history that wasn't relating to relgion..

>>733142838
but all men are descendants of adam, that's why you prove to god that his sin is not yours

is it possible that adam and his family are human and the rest are niggers?

WAIT O GOD WERE ALL NIGGERS THAN

>>733142748
His absence from a list doesn't prove what you think it proves. That's not how evidence works.

>>733142817
I know right?

>>733142838
Nope. Man was on day 6 and directly starts talking about Adam. No mention of anyone else.

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>>733138398
No not according to Genesis according to religious traditions. Genesis does not make any claims that Adam and Eve were the very first humans. They were simply the first Hebrew people.

But others existed which is why after Cain killed Abel and was banished it was to the "Land of the people of Nod." (Genesis 4:16)

>>733142956
morality is a monopoly on violence for the savage
(modern) religion takes us a step away by saying violence is not necessary
but it's not a very far step

>>733142956
while I'm not saying African's don't do horrible things. I'd say that some Africans. while not living in a society, wouldn't rape or kill. for the fact that They feel it is wrong. Religion isn't the only reason we're kept in line

>>733143104
does that wording mean lesbos are o ok?

>>733142929
but animals were all created at the same time and adam named all of them. adam should have taken one look at fucking homo halibitus and asked god "you got a thing for Kandy kong my boi?"

>>733142584
The translation skews the sentence with homosexuality. The big verb in the Greek is 'to lie with' not 'homosexual" they still had a little Roman Rule going on. It was the sex, not the lust, that is a capital crime. Nowhere else does it mention homosexuality, except some odd decree about crossdressing but I think that was about homosexual prostitutes and drag queens. Still the sex, not 'nessessarily' the desire.

>>733142927
Like I said, fringe. I don't know what to tell you. You're shoehorning and rejecting facts to fit your narrative.

>>733142929
citation needed.

I think religion was originally a way to teach people morals and have the relatively smart guide the illiterate. it wasn't intended to be ripped apart and dissected. I think that's why it was forbidden to question it in some cultures

>>733143151
>No not according to Genesis according to religious traditions. Genesis does not make any claims that Adam and Eve were the very first humans. They were simply the first Hebrew people.

You're talking way over the heads of these angry children of American protestants.

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>>733138898
Nope the event was localized to the Middle East and its purpose was to kill off the Gheber (Creatures similar to Goliath of the Philistines.)

Noah's family were the sole surviving Hebrews not the sole surviving humans.

>>733142584
Ass and mouthfuck are haram. Vag for procreation only.

>>733143206
Okay good point.
but the many religious atrocities outweigh the few politically minded atrocities

>>733143180
not necessarily
the bible doesn't consider goem as animals

there ....well its hard to explain there not animals but there not human ether

it almost treats them like aliens or like human first attempt

also after reading a few other tranlation it almost sounds like adam could make the animals himself and lost the power when he was banished

>>733143151
Is any of that in the bible? Can you site a passage?

>>733143176
I hope so.

>>733143264
Ok. Not sure how that makes gay men any less dead, but ok.

>>733143351
is this from the bible, or some other works?

>>733140111
111 keks

>>733143267

Well, that's one ad hominem and one assertion without any evidence. I'd say you don't have an argument here, but everyone can see that.

>>733143267
no citation just kind of theory

the only thing i can point out is the constant reference to gods people ..... it just seems to me like that means that there must be gods not chosen people

but maybe i just misunderstand

>>733143267
Well, in his defense, evolution provides for the existence of ape men up to the point where the missing link supposedly was.

>>733143529
;the missing link is also human
we fucked the apes and half humans came out

>>733141962
>You seem to think all Christians believe Paul or something

I pick and choose the rules of my religion that I want to follow
But it's still the absolute truth and you will burn in hell if you don't follow my religion. I'm going to heaven though, I know that for sure, because the rules I do choose to follow I follow most of the time...

>>733143506
>The bible includes Pauls works
>you say that they don't count

That's not ad hominem. The vaaaaaast majority of Christians believe Pauls inclusion into the NT means his works are inspired and should be considered scripture. You are literally a fringe element in the Christian spectrum. No I don't have a source for that, but I think it's self evident from the fact that Pauls works are included in the Bible.

>>733143514
fair enough

>>733142929
All are cteated in the Image of God.

But there are subhumans.
This is why theology sucks andy sixx's creamy log of shit. You can't have it both ways. 'Adam' literally means first. He was the first male. Period.

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>>733138398
Its all pretty complicated,
Thou shalt not be dismayed faggets

>>733143529

Dude, you don't know dicks about evolution. "ape men" and "missing link"? Could you be any more obvious in your lack of understanding?

The various species of humans that co-existed weren't ape men. And the missing link is a red herring idea the creationist crow uses to try and discredit evolution in the minds of lay people. All human progenitor species are 'missing links'. The term is designed to make people think proof hasn't been found, definite proof, of humans' evolution from apes.

>>733138398
I don't understand why people have a chip on their shoulder about Christians. It's a lot less imposing and violent than other religions.

>>733143757
just first what?
we all agree hes not the first cow or beever and those were created to

and only "man" and animals are in the garden

so where the problem first human is in the garden

and outside humanoid sub creatures are outside of the garden

i don't really have a dog in this fight but enjoy the debate

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>>733143603
And where did modern humans come from?

>>733138584
when you're a newfaggotry and haven posted dead memes in about thirty seconds.

>>733143923
i dont know i just wana think about that ape pussy

>>733143529
Evolutionary science starts with what's observable now and tries to work backwards using a methodology of peer scrutiny to eliminate false data. The theory of evolution is also in constant evolution.

Religion start with what an authority says and tries to make facts fit and reject any that don't, even when those facts are overwhelming. (like the age of out planet).

This is why religion tries to cast out demons but science develops epilepsy medications.

>>733143880
People just like to feel superior to others.

>>733142710
reported

>>733143031
your sins are your own. this is why we repent.
>>733143104
the list is meant to be a coprehensive list of the descendants of adam and eve. if he isnt on it then it stands to reason he has not descended from them
the thrid post you replied to is me as well. and thats simply not accurate.

>>733143880

Tell that to a victim of a residential school. That's not ancient history. Those people are still walking around.

>>733144007
If you believed that anything should "stand to reason" you're reject the bible as anything but a fiction.

>>733143841
I understand that you're here to represent neanderthals everywhere, but that's not the way to conduct this sort of discussion.

>>733143529
>ape men
Humans are still apes. We fall under Hominoidea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

>>733143707
>I pick and choose the rules of my religion that I want to follow

No, I don't. You can keep saying that, but that won't make it anything but an assertion.

>But it's still the absolute truth and you will burn in hell if you don't follow my religion. I'm going to heaven though, I know that for sure, because the rules I do choose to follow I follow most of the time...

I never said any of those things. I don't even think any of those things. Where are you getting this stuff?

I don't believe anyone has the absolute truth. To think that requires hubris I just don't possess.

I don't believe in hell. Until the Council of Nicaea, nobody did.

I never said I was going to heaven. I can't be the judge of that. I hope I do, but I'm not the self righteous moron you seem to want me to be.

One decent point though: Nobody is perfect. Still, the evidence is there that Paul was a heretic, and was only included in the New Testament canon due to the desire to divorce Christianity from Judaism on the part of the COuncil of Nicaea.

>>733143341
Still you come to the narrative of a chosen people. God does not favor the Jews over all else. God pretty much says Gentiles are mongrels and he lets them live because he likes them, but Jews get a free pass by being Chosen. Fuck the Chosen People my god loves every good person equally. No brownie points for being Jew.

>>733144114
most of the bible is fiction yes. this is not something i am denying. i am sim

>>733144007
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/genesis01-03.html

Man isn't mentioned until day 6. You can believe any horse shit you want about it, but man isn't mentioned until day 6. Fact.

>>733144237
-simply using part of this potentially fictitious part to justify my inferences on another probably fictitious part.

>>733144207

I never said he did favor the Jews over everyone else.

>>733143972
Unless ancient history books were taken apart and ignorantly reconstructed as David Cross put it.

>>733138584
You have no idea how hard this is.

>>733144237
Its an old book it would of been Chinese whispers through generations. I'm sure people trolled parts of it

>>733143514
You are right in your assumption. Learned bible scholars believe that.

>>733144360
>I'm edgy and people need to know it

>>733144148
Okay, smart guy. Bigfoot. I was talking about bigfoot. Are you satisfied now?

>>733139047
many of these are blatant stretch, many people never read it and dont research it so they see something like this and think "overwhelming evidence" and close their mind further.

>>733143426
Entirely depends on the version of the bible you have... Catholic bible has more of the older books in it that is closer to the actual translations...

>>733144331
The point doesn't change. People in 2017 take what the bibles says as authority and go through the process I described.

>>733144466
I was talking about my dick. idk how that ">>somefuckingnumber" showed up.

>>733144381

Learned Bible Scholars is a funny title. Like Harry Potter Science Director.

>>733143931
>dead memes
Sorry it wasn't the latest trendy trend back to tumblr trendy mc trend

>>733144561
No. We don't always do that.

>>733144597
Humanity has been recording and documenting a lot longer than 2000 years. Lol stupid meme.

>>733143931
newfag roleplaying detected

What we have in this thread are people that are taking their freshman evolution material in biology, and think that the -geed, solid, reliable- evidence for evolution somehow disproved the existence of anything supernatural. News flash guys: evolution only deals with the adaptation of life forms through successive generations. It can't and doesn't deal with anything else, not even the origin of life. The secular view of that is called abiogenesis, and you won't get to that until your junior or senior years, and that STILL doesn't deal with the nature of existence, whether 'reality' as we understand it is necessary or contingent, and the very thorny questions that grow out of that.

You've got a LONG way to go before any of you can talk intelligently about this subject.

>>733138584
If an atheist and a vegan walk into a bar, who tells the other first?

>>733144533

I'll take that as a no.

>>733144674
Tell that to Ken Ham or the Kansas City school board.... or my sister...

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>>733144274
The words flesh in the original Hebrew were often used to mean mankind. And were mentioned on Days 3 and 5. Note that "days" were not 25 hour rotations of the Earth either they would have better been called eras.

>>733144317
I'm saying the Bible is full of racial favoritism. Abrahamic God is a political pundit shilling for His people. God is also sexist. Women are intended to be servile and a 'help-mate' of men.

>>733144801
Your sister sounds like a cunt.

>>733144565

Before the Council of Nicaea, -NOBODY- in the Christian of Jewish communities believed in hell. The depictions of hell tacked on later come from Greek stories about Hades.

>>733144773
It doesn't take a degree in biology to know that Genesis shouldn't be taken literally.

>>733144814
Like I said, you can believe any horse shit you want.

>>733140141
sounds just like satanism

>>733144773
Wow, I guess that PhD and my day job as a geneticist was all just a dream.

>disproved the existence of anything supernatural.

Apparently I missed the part when the supernatural was proven in the first place. Anything that is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. If we had to believe in everything that has not yet been disproven we would need to believe in an infinite amount of things.

You have not proven that God isn't a pink unicorn that lives on Saturn
You have not proven god isn't a red elephant that lives on Uranus
You have not proven that God isn't a pink snail at the bottom of the sea.
Therefore using your logic we must believe in all those things until they are disproven. Or, you can use you fucking brain and only believe in what there is actually evidence for.

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>>733144533
The Catholic bible?

What you might mean is the King James Version?

The Bible is 70 books by 66 Authors over thousands of years.

The origins are sources like Torah and many scrolls found in the Deserts.

The most original translation I have found to date is Bullinger's Companion Bible.

Which has numerous footnotes and indexes.

Together with a Strong's Concordance one can rightly divide or translate the words.

But in the Average bible there are numerous mistakes of translation. Which is why it is important to read the reprints of the 3 letters at the beginning of any 1611 King James Version of the Bible.

>>733141075
u meen pregant

>>733144903
>It doesn't take a degree in biology to know that Genesis shouldn't be taken literally.

This is what I have been saying the whole thread, actually. More likely, it's a metaphor for the movement of man from the hunter/gatherer state to the agricultural state. It's only damning to the theology of the WASPs and those that don't know about Paul being a heretic if that's true, because Original Sin is required for Pauline theology (Jesus' death being the key to salvation). A lot of early believers in Jesus didn't even think him to be the literal son of God or God himself. Lots and lots of people were called sons of God without anyone ever thinking those things. Check out Ezra (Ezayr).

>>733145164
This guy gets it. Thank you for injecting some reason into a thread where half the people are defending fairy tales.

>>733144900
They translated 'hell', colloquially, as 'smelly landfill'. Not some crazy dimension. They believed you were under your own power to leave it.

>>733143757
first as in first in line, first choice. not first as in chronologically. use reason and move forward instead of digging in your heels and squealing. adam who was based and elect started the Jews, the story is centered around them, you dont tell stories and include the details of every other living person alive as well, it isnt about them, its about based adam and his line of dudes and how they got started and it mentions them only so a line can be drawn genetically connecting Christ to Adam.

>>733145245
Ok, I take your point. However, subscribing to one variant fairy tale isn't any more appealing to me than another.

>>733145316
>use reason

If you understood how to "use reason" you would understand the bible is a book of fables and fairy tales.

>>733145245
Right. 'Messiah' was more 'warrior prophet' that it was 'supernatural God'.

>>733145104
Considering LaVey's Satanism instructs practitioners to destroy those who block your path while Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek unless the tables need to be turned for the sake of God and His following, I not only disagree, but am calling you a downright liar.

PS There's nothing quite as dickish as worshipping yourself or a lower being over the base fabric of all that is.

>>733145164
>Anything that is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

This guy knows, that's how we know free will doesn't exist and we're puppets of an empty uncaring universe moving as physics dictates.

>>733145430
>the bible is a book of fables and fairy tales.
You read it edgelord? It has some decent advice on life, and ways to be a good person regardless of your beliefs

>>733145513
The irony of what you just said is: Christians are worshiping themselves. They cherry pick the beliefs that resonate with themselves and then project those beliefs onto their god concept.

>>733138398
I'm not going to try and validate the bible but that argument is invalid.

>>733145164
>Wow, I guess that PhD and my day job as a geneticist was all just a dream.

Pretty much, yeah.

>Anything that is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Ah, quoting Hitchens I see. Lemme cook your noodle a bit, if you'll accept sound reasoning as evidence.

For free will to exist, the universe must be contingent, in the modal logic sense. The reason for that is that if all choice would be just a chemical / physical reaction without free will, which is what one would expect in a purely reductible to physics understanding of reality.

So, since free will seems to exist (and I am well aware of the argument that it's a complex illusion, but those people seem not to understand the Cogito), the universe must be contingent. If it is contingent on something, it -must be contingent on a necessary thing, or the thing that it is contingent upon is just another step in the chain of contingent causes. The first step in that chain -must- be a necessary thing then, and being necessary it must have always existed (otherwise it would be contingent on whatever brought it into existence).

Now, there's plenty of room to discuss what the necessary thing is, but the fact remains, it's there, and not subject to natural laws (else it would need a creator, because ex nihilo nihil fit). That by definition is supernatural (meaning outside of the natural determinative universe we see around ourselves).

Have fun changing your facebook description to agnostic instead of atheist.

>You have not proven that God isn't a pink unicorn that lives on Saturn
>You have not proven god isn't a red elephant that lives on Uranus
>You have not proven that God isn't a pink snail at the bottom of the sea.
>Therefore using your logic we must believe in all those things until they are disproven. Or, you can use you fucking brain and only believe in what there is actually evidence for.

(mis)Quoting that Hitchens again, I see. Try thinking on your own for a change.

>>733145515
Nice troll. Don't worry. I won't tell them what you're up to. btw how you send pms on your 4chan?

>>733145620
That's different from fables and fairy tales how?

>>733145760
determinism or nothing

>>733145685
Not at all. Most Christians are ignorant and oblivious puppets. Some have had revolutionary ideas and are rejected by all sides while their loyalty to God remains in tact and will not falter.

>>733145316
Then I have to believe Yaweh is racist and partial. Only Jews are made in God's image? Only Hebrews are 'Chosen'? What does it mean to have God's favor? What does that mean about sin? Why divide religious and civil courts? Why the hatred of nations and not of the individuals misleading the people? Why no compassion for those who follow a different set of beliefs? Why does God care more about evangelizing and conquering than understanding? Why does Gods' tone change between Testaments?

>>733145760

Not that guy, but none of that. NONE of that proves that any particular religious book has any merit. None of that is evidence of any religions claims.

Also, quoting Hitchens doesn't invalidate the idea. I thought you were science?

>>733145872

So, if I beat you unconscious and anally rape your mother while pouring sugar in your gas tank, that's not my fault?

>>733139378
Women were nothing in ancient times so there not normally mentioned, especially by name. The outstanding ones are the only ones ever named.

>>733145918
Whoosh, everything I said just went right over your head. I'll try again: everything you believe about God you cherry picked from all the ideas at your disposal.

You. Constructed. Your. God. Concept.

>>733145998
no it is your fault because we can't prosecute the universe for human crimes so off to jail you go

>>733145774
Oh okay, sorry advice/help for your life isn't edgy enough for you to read, maybe 50 shades of gay anal sex is more up your alley

>>733145620
i have not met a single person yet that has actually honestly read the bible and talked that way about it. the fags who have trash to talk are all unable to quote the book they read "front to back" "many times", they all rely on groopthink and delude themselves into feeling like they are better more leeter because they reached the conclusion faster than any other student in the class, many times the fag who races through to be first has the most errors.

>>733145998
>an atheist being edgy

Surprise, surprise.

>>733142508
Pardon me...I'm hardly a kid. At 37 years of age, I was raised Presbyterian, was a Baptist as an adult, studied Catholicism and I haven't yet been privy to a single, solitary theology (root word being "THEORY") that makes any logical sense, thus far. So, you might want to hold your little teenage tongue before you delve into something you have no idea about. I've forgotten more about Christianity than you've ever known. Get the fuck out of here.

>>733145961
>Not that guy, but none of that. NONE of that proves that any particular religious book has any merit. None of that is evidence of any religions claims.

I never said it did. I do say it makes dismissing the idea of the 'supernatural' (not subject to natural laws) out of hand is ignorant at best.

>Also, quoting Hitchens doesn't invalidate the idea. I thought you were science?

You thought I was science? What does that even mean? My critique is that an argument by quotation is good for a man that can't formulate his own. By arguing with other people's words, you're making yourself look like you can't think for yourself. Is that the situation here?

>>733146038
We. All. Are. Only. Aware. Of. The. Information. We. Have. Absorbed. And. Understand. Only. That. Which. We. Are. Aware. Of. While. Some. Of. Us Know. More. Than. Others.

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>>733138398
Glory to the old gods. Inb4 Neckbeard.

>>733146078
I've read the bible. I've also read about how a lot of the stories are adaptations of other stories (like the flood story). It's because I've read the bible that I think it's a book of fables and fairy tales.

And yes, asshole, fables and fairy tales are often stuffed full of good and meaningful advice on conduct and character. It's not my fault you don't know that.

>>733146183
Now you have.

>>733146052

And here you prove yourself to not actually believe in 'determinism or nothing'. Have the courage of your convictions, sir.

>>733146204

But... I'm not an atheist. Learn to follow the thread before commenting in it.

>>733145430
ok buddy, lemme guess you think this moment we enjoy derived from chaos? you think you evolved from slime and inorganic molecules? tell me another fable and fairy tale. your books are new and revised every year to indoctrinate more and more, my book is timeless and still holds up fag. do yourself a favor and read it sometime before you shut off the only real lasting love you might ever receive anon.

>>733146038
We are creatures of absorbtion. We process and distill information. This is also true of religion. It is why God got mad about the golden calf. Legalism.

>>733146322
determinism or nothing

>>733146210
Something tells me that theology and theory share a root word rather than one being the root for the other.

>>733145760
>I do have a PhD and I work at an international biotech company. I spent September to December of 2016 in Europe helping start up a new multi million dollar laboratory for my company. I was the expert that was chosen to train all the new employees at that lab how to run all the robotics that do the DNA sequencing.

By all means try to tell me about DNA...

>The reason for that is that if all choice would be just a chemical / physical reaction without free will, which is what one would expect in a purely reductible to physics understanding of reality.

And if you understood who quantum mechanics and single particles behave you would know that nothing is 100% predictable. Neurons can be stimulated to fire from the smallest electrical stimulus. Consciousness is still an incredibly complex thing that you cannot reduce down to the level you wish to reduce it to.

>The first step in that chain -must- be a necessary thing then, and being necessary it must have always existed (otherwise it would be contingent on whatever brought it into existence).
That is a ridiculous assumption. You are just getting into straight up confirmation bias at this point. It's just a circle jerk of your own ideas where you beg your own question and then answer it and act like you just proved something.

>quoting hitchens
And yet you still fail to debunk the talking points. Why does it matter if I'm not the first to use them, you still fail to debunk them.

>>733146235
I agree we can't dismiss the supernatural as a concept. But, and I agree, evidence is required.

You believe, as a scientist, that assertions don't require evidence? Because that's the idea you're dismissive of because you don't like where it came from.

>>733146322
I know what I saw boi

everything is prerecorded, every single thing
the recording is far to complicated for anyone to understand so every crime every action you perform is essentially your own
i don't see how there could be another option

>>733146322
>damage control
Atheist scumbag

>>733146357
Your trolls' focus is off. Are you arguing for or against?

>>733146239
>Some. Of. Us Know. More. Than. Others.

Ah, the ol' secret knowledge trap. It appeals to vanity. You've got the magic everyone else is missing out on. Wow, you must be really special...

>>733146357
I've read the bible. Firstly, if you're criticizing books for going through revision, you don't know shit about the canonization process of your bible.

Secondly, if my "my books" you mean science and reason, then yes, consider me indoctrinated. Your book didn't understand what the moon is, my books took us there.

>>733146300
this doesnt count as meeting someone to me, and if you count imageboards like b to be valid as real interaction and debate than whew lad. when you see that atheism is closing your mind, not opening it, and that you are little more than a pawn for the Opposer and your beef is truly with the Christian figure in your life or your denominational practices.

>>733146300
>der iz storiiz in it doe!!!

Listen here you fat, sweaty, neckbeard looser. Quit your jive talkin and take a shower. K?

>>733146357
Question for you. If you get really sick, like Cancer or something, are you going to give yourself over to medical science (my books) or just go to church and pray?

>>733146620
No, it's the old READ THE RIGHT BOOKS schtick.

>>733146620
sure some have been canonized, lol. you know people can still read greek right anon? you know there is an original right? you think we lost track in a game of telephone and just wing it, cute.

>>733146380
>I can't think for myself, and therefore only talk in aphorisms I don't really understand.

>>733146401

So, you're not even going to try to understand what I said? Fair enough. It is 4chan after all. But really, you should look up modal logic and read a little. What I said that you call a ridiculous assumption is so sound as to make questioning it seem obscene, to people that understand modal logic.

>And yet you still fail to debunk the talking points. Why does it matter if I'm not the first to use them, you still fail to debunk them.

The talking points aren't even directly applicable to the discussion at hand. They're just grandstanding without actually contributing to the discussion, which is something that Hitchens was a master of, regardless of how much I liked the guy.

Once again, remember, we aren't talking about God being a pink rhino or whatever, we are talking about silly out of hand dismissal of something when there is obvious evidence from our universe (ex nihilo nihil fit and causality) to suggest its existence. I never said the thing at the beginning of the chain of causationw as God, or anything else. I just say it has to be there and have the attribute of not being subject to natural laws. How does your assertion that I somehow must now address the possibility that God is a purple dildo in your anus even tangentially relate to that?

Answer: it doesn't. That you don't know that is more than a little distressing.

>>733146620
Right 'special knowledge' rarely actually turns out to be either special or knowledge. True wisdom can be absorbed by anyone, hence the love of the parables.

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>>733146620
sure some have been canonized, lol. you know people can still read greek right anon? you know there is an original right? you think we lost track in a game of telephone and just wing it, cute.>>733146620
your books fooled folks like you into believing we went there, muh science triumphs the Creator...

>>733146591
science is recognizing some patterns in the record to predict the future of the playback
we will never know everything but we could put what we know to use as it has been predestined