Dear /b/ do christian's masturbate?

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>>732943612
Anyone who masturbates can not be a Christian.

>>732943839
Why is that?

>>732943612
Probably a lot of them.

They'd have to be really fucking old-fashioned to insist that people should never ever masturbate.

>>732943612
Orthodoxfag here, maturation is not forbidden when your body wants it. For example, if you are feeling like busting a nut, it's fine, since that's just how your body works. If you force yourself to jack off to some porn, then it's no good

>>732944057
*masturbation
Phoneposting is pain

>>732944057

Is this an actual thing? Is there any writing on this, I'm now suddenly interested in orthodox Christian masturbation rules.

>>732944057
I don't I've ever forced myself to be horny and crank one out.
But then again, I never grew up with the notion that doing it was wrong, just that it was a personal thing that you shouldn't do in front of others.
I never really got the shame people feel on the subject.

>>732944057
>if you are feeling like busting a nut, it's fine, since that's just how your body works. If you force yourself to jack off to some porn, then it's no good
That actually sounds pretty reasonable.

>>732944133
There are no strict rules. Lust is a sin though, thus, when you lust over porn, you're committing a sin. Nothing wrong in masturbating because your body demands it.
I had a talk about it with a fellow pope

>>732944181
I don't think I've*

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>>732943904
It's a sin duh

>>732944208

So if your body needs it, are you then allowed to use pornography or is pornography a no-go always?

>>732944208
Hang on...

When the hell would someone feel like busting a nut without being lustful in any way?

>>732944280
Pornography is bad, since the pornstars are all sinners. Hentai/drawn porn is fine, since a drawing can't sin. No joke.
>>732944351
I sure do sometimes after not fapping for about a week, your balls start feeling heavy and shit

>>732943612
everyday

>>732944246
But explain why?

>>732943612
The only part of the Bible which suggests masturbation is sinful is the story of Onan (which is why masturbation is called onanism). Onan's brother died and according to custom he was required to marry his brother's widow. Instead, Onan defied Mosaic Law and "spilled his seed" on the ground instead of in his brother's widow as a deliberate defiance and was struck dead by Yahweh for it. His sin wasn't masturbating, it was deliberately defying Yahweh by refusing to marry his brother's widow.

>>732944429
>after not fapping for about a week
So do I, but then I also have plenty of dirty thoughts. Isn't that lust?

>>732944429
But the person who did the drawing, would be imagining sexual acts and then interpreting them into drawings. Wouldn't it still be using the lust of another person to get off?

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>>732944465
It's a sin because god said it's a sin duh

Christians watch porn all the time, so I would imagine so, yes.

>>732944510
It's normal for your brain to want sex, if it didn't, we wouldn't reproduce. As long as you sent let those thoughts control you and keep them at bay, then it's alright. Do you seriously think popes never think about anything dirty?
>>732944523
That's correct, but it's still better than fapping to porn. Again, nothing wrong in wanting sex

>>732944604
He didn't tho

>>732943839
Anyone who wears mixed cloth can not be a Christian.

>>732944604
Heeeey the vatican weblogs revealed that pornsites were the most viewed!

>>732944683
How to spot an Atheist who never opened the Bible: the post.

Sin is unavoidable. Try as you like, you will have moments of temptation and lust. God doesn't ask us to live without sin, just to do our best to be mindful of temptations. To learn our lesson when we inevitably get burned.

You can masturbate as a Christian, but when lust starts to change the way you look at women, when it occupies your thoughts you might have crossed a line.

>>732944786
You shall not wear a material mixed of wool and linen together. - Deuteronomy 22:11

>>732943612
i think it comes down to what you think when you fap. if you fap to your wife, then thats ok. if you fap to woman you desire and who you are not married to, then that is lust, therefore a sin.
so i think as a christian you can fap but it's what you think (or not think) during the fap that determines if it;s a sin or not

just my 2c

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>>732944735
So they aren't Christians then duh

>>732944786
You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together. - Leviticus 19:19

>>732944795
This. Also, God technically wants us to live without sin, it's just that almost nobody can do that in modern society. Small sins can be forgiven if you are truly sorry about committing them

>>732944886
>says "mixed cloth"
>quotes a verse about two very specific fabrics
Illiterate moron.

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>>732944786
Average atheists knowledge of Christianity >>> average Christians knowledge of Christianity

>>732944897
So if u kill your wife its not a sin? Cause as u explained it now its ok to sin aslong as u do it to your own kin?

>>732944967
>two fabrics are not a kind of mixed cloth
shiggy diggy

>>732944967
See >>732944934

>>732944985
Says a guy using a gif from tumbrl
But yes, some American protestants really are even dumber than you
>>732945028
That's a major sin. Also, you have to be really sorry for your sin for it being forgiven, especially if it's as bad as murder

>>732944637
How some people live their lives sometimes mystify me. But hey, if they don't try to force me to conform to their rules, I'm fine with living next to people who live like that.

>>732945028
>if u kill your wife
u wot m8

what has sex, lust and fapping got to do with killing; theyre on different forms of sin

>>732943612
yes

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>>732945101
>Says a guy using a gif from tumbrl

>>732943839
so tell me what else do you not know about faith.

>>732945167
I feel a doubble morale in most of these posts! Why cant someone just answer, do christian's go to hell if they fap or not?

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>>732944966
You're going to hell!!!

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>>732945028

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>>732945268
Faith != Christianity

>>732945293
Even murderers don't go to hell as long as they accept Jesus.

>>732944966
According to the bible every sin can be forgiven. And if you don't sin then Jesus will have died for nothing. Religion is all about appropriating it to your own goals and stances dude, git gud.

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>Out drinking with friends who are nursing sisters.
>one is double sister - nurse who is also nun.
>nurses so all drinking
>nurses to conversation turns to sextoys
>nun says her husband always gets her a new dildo for his birthday
>me wtf?
realise = obviously every xmas ( jesus her husbands birthday) some anon always thinks its a good joke to buy a nun a dildo
>so what do you do? throw them out?
>no its not a sin to use sextoys as long as my husband is watching
>jesus is always watching

>me. bit kinky that his dad and mum are watching too...

>>732945386
What if they accept both jesus and muhammed? is it then a doubble insurance? u go to heaven and get like 40 virgins at the same time?

>>732945048
>1 + 1 = 3 is false therefore all statements are false
Take an IQ test. You might break the record.

>>732944934
>>732945072
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/shatnez/
>The laws of shatnez refer only to sewing wool and linen together in the same garment; they do not restrict wearing, for instance, a wool sweater with linen pants.
Googling verses to copy-paste without ever checking their context or the oral law counts as not opening the Bible, Bill Nye the Sex Junk Cuck Guy.

>>732944966
Nobody human could live without sin by the standards shown in the Bible, even in ancient times.

>>732945293
>do christian's go to hell if they fap or not?

no one can answer that. besides, it depends on what youve done in life amd how closely you have followed gods word and asked for forgiveness all your life.

but in the bible it would constitute a form of desire and lust and if the "christian" doing it was not making an attempt to fap less or think less of evil thoughts, then that christian could possibly go to hell (depends on his entire life). but who can say - only god knows that hence the day of judgement

tl;dr fapping wouldn't be enough to get you sent to hell

>>732945597
So nobody goes to hell?

>>732945561
>Googling verses to copy-paste without ever checking their context or the oral law counts as not opening the Bible
This is the most retarded thing I have ever read.
>literally open Bible to verse
>counts as not opening the Bible!

>>732945826
>literally watches popsci show on TV
>counts as attending scientific lectures in Ivy League universities

>>732945821
yes people will end up in hell but that's taking into consideration everything else in life and your relationship with god. fapping is just a part of it and a part of one of the many sins.

>>732945999
>upset that the most popular English translation just says fabric
>starts using terrible analogies

>>732943612
they do but they pretend they dont.

>>732946093
Then they commit another sin! They lie!

yes, we do
the need to nut for men is just a bodily function, much like sweating or farting. it'd be silly to not bust your nut when you need to. what counts IMO is who you think about, as somebody said before. AFAIK there's nothing in the Bible concerning masturbation itself, only wanting other (meaning not married/engaged to you) women. but I might be wrong, haven't been reading much lately. it's also interesting to consider what's in it for those without a wife.

>>732943612
>Dear /b/ do christian's masturbate?
My sister did.
She also has sex with her brother twice a week since her first year of highschool.
Dunno if that's a christian thing or not.

>>732946245
The human race started with incest in the Bible, so sure, why not?

>>732946320
No it did not.
Stop believing crappy bad translations.

>>732946564
Who did the children of Adam and Eve fuck?

>>732946564
The next step after disbelieving bad translations, is to disbelieve the notion that bronze age people knew how the universe works.

>>732946564
You sure about that breh?
There's no better sex than someone you've grown up with.
Either siblings or old childhood friends, it's always the best.

>>732946629
monkeys, where do you think niggers come from?

>>732943612
Some do, some don't

And not all that do think it's ok, but some Christians don't think it's a sin

t. Extra spicy Catholic modernist

>>732945515
That's shockingly logical

>>732944985
I bet you have hair like in your gif.

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>>732947044

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>>732946629
>>732946692
>>732946765

There are in Genesis several points at which mankind is created. as well as 2 creation stories starring Adam and Eve. God creates life that survived on the Water (Day 3 - Genesis 1:11). Then everything that survived off the land. (Day 5 Genesis 1:20)
Then he created the first of what would be later called Caucasians.(Day 6 Genesis 1:27-31)

The ethnic races existed before the Caucasian and Hebrew races. He rests on day 7 and then tells the Garden Story which would be day 8 and is about the Hebrew people. Later after Cain murders Abel he banishes Cain to live in the "Land of the People of Nod" thus we know there were "other" people. (Genesis 4:15)

>>732946689
Or to work hard to find out what was really said?

I've been hearing a lot about masturbating and sub lately. Most recent I heard that makes sense is it's OK as long as the self service doesn't deprive your partner

>>732947985
I'm not against translating old scripture properly, it gives an interesting view of how people organized their societies in the past. Being inspired by some of the good things they did is also fine.
But to me religious books will never really be proof of anything other, than how people did things in the past.

>>732948361
That's fair.
Keep reading, if you seek it, the truth can be found.

>>732948450
To me truth is something that can be falsified though. If I can recreate the circumstances that caused that truth and get the same results, I'll believe it. I can't really do that with any religions, as their stories include direct interactions with god(s). And try as I may, I have never seen credible accounts of such interactions from others or experienced them myself. So I maintain the position that I disbelieve their veracity until further evidence is delivered.

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The Bible says that when yoh have lustfull thoughts about a women, its the same as commiting adultery. Which is a sin. At the same time you can still be a Christian and sin, due to no man is perfect. The Bible even mentions salvation is obtained through faith in Christ

Ephesians 2, verses 8-9 say "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:it isthe gift of God:Not of works, lest any man should boast."

So yes, christians do fap, and it is a sin, and they will be judged for it. But it does mot affect their salvation if they have true faith in Christ.

>>732947985
Err... so you are saying that Adam was not the first man? Where in the Bible does it say that God created other humans?

You seem to be forgetting that the early people were supposed to have lived for hundreds of years. That one family would have been able to populate entire lands before Cain killed Abel.

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>>732948725
Be careful though.
The next super natural event or being will be a liar (The devil) Best not to believe the crap he will spout. But because he will not be a human and will make false claims like he is here to "rapture" folks away? Many religious and even non religious folks are going to be fooled.

I think it is a fucked up trick top play on mankind. But I really have never been able to understand the will of God.

>>732949028
Well that still maintains that I believe an end of days event is actually happening.
Sure there are signs of western society cracking at the seams, but that could just as easily be caused by the same factors that made Roman society fail.
Human error and greed.
I'm not inclined to believe anyone professing that their religion is true, unless their claims can be falsified.

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>>732948752
I just explained it and even quoted the verses.

There were 2 adams and 2 eves.

Day 5 all of mankind existed but not yet the Hebrew people that happened on Day 8..

There age was not even something I discussed here. But there offspring are all named later in the OT if you care to look them up. I believe after Cain was Seth and some daughters, but they did NOT marry each other. In fact Genesis 6:4 speaks of the fallen Angels themselves having left heaven to have offspring with the daughters of Eve. "Men of great renown" called Gheber (Think of creatures like Goliath though he was many centuries later.)

>>732949400
>I just explained it and even quoted the verses.
Ad hoc rationalizations do not qualify.
>There were 2 adams and 2 eves.
Not biblical.
>Day 5 all of mankind existed but not yet the Hebrew people that happened on Day 8.
Not biblical.

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>>732949647
Go read it then.

I mean he rest on day seven, then the garden stroy is told.

Why would he repeat what happened on day 5? Just for our edification?

The Day 5 adam and Eve were simply the Hebrew and Chaldean names or words for humans. Where as the later mention what would be day 8 (That is the rest of the story told after the pronouncement that God rested.)


Adam was called "Haadam" in Chaldean which was to say THE Adam and would distinguish him from the first man mentioned in Genesis 1:20

>>732950020
>go read it then
I have.
>Why would he repeat what happened on day 5?
He didn't.

The two Genesis accounts are different tellings of the same story. For someone who claims to read up on this stuff, you aren't very well informed.

>>732945597
no it fuckin doesnt! FIRSTLY it depends on the question if there is a heaven, and only after that does aynthing else matter.

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>>732950365
>The two Genesis accounts are different tellings of the same story.

No no they are not.

Why would God rest between the "tellings"?

>He didn't....

The Era's or days are clearly mentioned and numbered to any who choose to actually use their eyes and read.

>>732943612
OF coarse

Only retarded fedora wearing atheists do "no fap"

>>732950562
It kinda sounds like you're reading what you want to see in the Bible instead of what is actually written

>>732950562
Either a troll or literal retard. Try reading your Bible again and then read what the Bible scholars say.

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>>732950741
No in fact much of what organized religion teaches is not in the Bible.
No apples or fruit as the "original sin".

No rapture in the end of days.


>>732950764
I have read it.

And translated it.

Though other men have even been kind enoiugh to do that work for you aswell.

E Bullingers Companion Bible (KJV)
and J Strong's Concordance..

So don't take my word for it go and read.

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Please just KYS. Nothing I gate more than atheists

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>>732943612
I'm trying to get banned here

>>732951272
>Gate.
Saint Peter, is that you?
The first of all doormen is sharing his opinion guys.