Enough about trump for a sec Who should I vote for in the UK

>>732880293
Labour. Read the manifesto and youll agree

>>732880293
Sociopath - Conservatives
Not sociopath - Labour

Labour if you want a decent chance in life

Tories if you are a selfish cunt or deluded and think you're posh and don't give a fuck about all the deaths they cause... Pretty much killing off labour voters

UKIP if you're a moron and actually believe they are a separate entity to the Tory party and don't realise they were set up to take voters from labour and lib dens, those who would NEVER vote Tory.

Lib dems if you don't care about the fact that won't get in and because they don't get in government they won't stick to any policies or push for them.

Green / other wasted vote

>>732880293

> hurr durr taxes will pay for everything

vote tory unless you want to fucking destroy our economy

>>732881437

Surprised you're on this site being a Tory, /b is pretty much illegal in the uk because of your pig fucking masters

Tory if you care about the future of this country

>>732880293

It doesn’t matter who you vote for anyway, it’s Brexit 2.0.

Everyone will shout from the rooftops they’re voting Labour, no one will dare admit to voting Conservative, then the Conservatives will win and everyone will pretend to be shocked.

Take comfort in the fact that Corbyn might finally fuck off if Labour get rekt.

OP here, huh I thought this site was more right wing?

Is it not like tories are equivalent of republican as they're both right?

Does the whole "leftie cuck" shit only apply to USA?

Also why does it seem like US related almost everything to left and right wing, even non-political things like transgender ism. I hardly ever hear those things being talked about together in UK.

>>732881839
Yeah because May has any power in Europe and her "difficult woman" brag will do nothing other than get us fucked royally when Europe says "pay up or fuck off and no trade"

Then we have to lick trumps ass and become his bitch.

>>732881839
LOL

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Vote for the one with rotten teeth and B.O.

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vote for papa noel, boy.

>>732880293
Labour is going too far off the rails lately. Go UKIP if you feel that immigration needs to be reduced. Conservative if you still want to leave the EU.

There's right wing, then There's just being fucking retarded, like they want to introduce fox hunting again and she's pro surveillance

>>732880293
Vote LibDems

They promise to legalize weed.

>>732882163
>Labour is going too far off the rails lately
How so?

>>732881955
The US doesn't have a left wing. In our terms, it has the Tories, and UKIP - I wouldn't treat anything said by some dribble lip on /pol/ too seriously, m8.

Labour will still honour the brexit vote, don't believe these Tory tossers.

Lib dems said they will try for another referendum

>>732880293
What party will save you from leaving the EU, vote that one.

>>732882163
I'm an immigrant myself although UK citizen for years now.

I didn't vote in the Brexit and never cared about politics before.

Now I think it's more not voting because I actually don't know what's best, and I get pissed at people my age spouting shite thinking their party is 100% the best choice.

I'm 19 what the fuck do I know about politics or the economy

vote labour may is a fucktard basically and just cares about lining her pockets with the deaths of the poor and trust me those pockets are deep with human skin

my advice torys =cunts and may thinks shes thatcher, look at the good she did
labour =not so cunty also corbyn is a reasonable and rational minded person
who would you really send in to negotiations a bulldog that can only bark or a human being who is rational minded

>>732882503
You want free education and a decent living wage vote labour,

If you want to fight for a 0 hour contract with no guarantee of work, waiting by the phone for a phone call at 5 am that they want you in at 7 am for 3 hours... Then vote Tory

>>732881437
I love how your only point about the economy and labour is that they'll fuck it up.
I dont see the pound recovering at all since the brexit vote and May's appointment as prime minister a year ago, if anything the economy has gotten worse, especially for companies trading with the dollar as currency, which is pretty fucking much everyone.
It's fucked either way.
Plys our debt in 2010 under labour was billions. Under tory it's been made into trillions.

fuck the economy? only tories do it best.

considering You brexitted your way out of the EU I have to admit that I don't give a flying fuck which politicians You will allow to ruin the rest of Your country.

For the love of God, please don't vote labour.

>>732882163
>Labour is going too far off the rails lately
you've been watching too much BBC m8

>Go UKIP if you feel that immigration needs to be reduced
literally every party has an immigration policy. it was the backbone of a lot of brexit votes.

>Conservative if you still want to leave the EU
leaving the EU is a given now you fucking mong.

All of them are trash.

>Labour if you're some kind of Commie
>Tory if you basically just want more of the same
>UKIP have served their purpose and without Nigel leading them they're useless
>Green if you're mentally deficient

>>732882725
cry more eurofag

>>732882503

Vote labour. Trust me, too many things will change by the time you are older that all could have been prevented with a anti brexit stance.

Labour will still do brexit but it will be light as fuck (probably exactly same deal with have now but we pay more). Which is a hell of a lot better than the conservatives plan. Where they just seem to want to negotiate us to get nothing, still pay and get rid of all the migrants which actually do a better job for our economy then a lot of native Brits.

People in the UK tend to think London is full of people jerking each other off but London is literally a good percentage of Britain's economy and London needs those migrants. Whether for low paying jobs or high paying specialist roles.

>>732882163
Answer my question fucktard!
>>732882321

>>732882752
Lol, this is what I'm talking about.

Everytime this shit comes around. There's no answer to which party is best so why bother.

There are always people on both sides claiming that voting in one party will be the death of the country or something

>>732880293
Who is going to tear the system down the most?

>>732882752
Why though?

If you want to be taxed to shit to pay for everyone's free shit, vote for Labour. If not, Conservative

>>732882813
Yeah I kinda like immigrants. Maybe I'm young and stupid, but I'm not a racist cunt and I like people from other places

>>732880293
Conservative. Fuck labour.

>>732882810
>cry more eurofag
nobody is crying to see the Brits ruin themselves.
Scotland probably will vote for a split from the UK, so we still get cheap scotch, the only thing worth to be exported from the foggy isles.

>>732881567

Are you dumb?

>>732881437
To be fair, if the Tories know one thing - it's how to fuck an economy.

>Which demented pensioner should I vote for, /b/?

Why even bother?

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>>732882988
A nice argument!

OP here, tbh mostly people's arguments for conservatives have been "don't vote labour"

Would you honestly trust Corbyn? I wouldn't.

>>732883130
This is what I tend to think, but this time I'm considering.

>>732883059
You're right the only people crying are the family members of the people that are regularly being run over and murdered on mainland Europe

>>732882846

this, it's like brexit or no brexit, trump or no trump, the world keeps fucking turning, it doesn't end

tbh we should just guy fawkes this shit up kek
but seriously its kinda in the names
conservatives conserve things for the rich
labour are for the workers which make up most of the country

somehow weve been convinced that making the rich richer is a good idea

>>732881020

HAHAHAH FUCK OFF

Labour's manifesto is an idealistic pipedream. If you believe that HALF of the stuff written in it is FISCALLY possible you're a fucking moron.

anyone can run in the election.
we should have the People's 4chan Party.
Let's plan it now and in 4 years put a candidate foreward and vote for them.

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>>732883254
>Labour are for the workers

it hasn't been that way for a long time, anon

>>732880293
Trump just made me lose 2K on the stock market, the entire US economy just plummeted over 2% fuck that guy

>>732883317
This is my other problem. Even if I read all the parties manifesto's and they sound good.

Like even I know that raising minimum wage sounds great, but there are obviously effects of this and it isn't that simple. No one really knows, especially people who aren't economists.

Really I think everyone is as ignorant as me but pretend they know what's going on.

>>732880293
You should not vote unless you are well informed and have a strong opinion. Everybody /can/ vote but not everyone should.

In my opinion we should go back to requiring property ownership, or at least administer some kind of test.

Imagine if the brexit referendum had been attached to a 10-question multiple choice quiz about how the EU works and the likely consequences of leaving, with an 80% score required for your vote to count. It would have went very differently.

>>732881437
Fuck, Labour's got a tough record to beat if they want to knock off more than 15% of our economy.

>>732882846
Yeah but,

If you notice, only the pro labour voters are actually putting points forward.

>For the love of God, please don't vote labour.
>Labour is going too far off the rails lately. Go UKIP if you feel that immigration needs to be reduced. Conservative if you still want to leave the EU.
>Tory if you care about the future of this country
>vote tory unless you want to fucking destroy our economy

No facts. Just media biased statements with nothing to back it up

>>732883157
In this situation I think it's a legitimate argument. I would usually vote Labour, but if we want Brexit to happen, I think May ought to be the one doing it.

>>732883387
it is atm tbh plus im sick of hearing the creature from the dark crystal film utter stong and stable

>>732883254
>conservatives conserve things for the rich
>labour are for the workers which make up most of the country
Your concept of politics seem to be the ones of a 12-15 years old:
>bad guys
>good guys
>just pick good guys

>>732883387
yes it has. firstly, they'd be fucked without the unions. who pay for the unions? the workers, minimum wage workers a lot of them.
secondly, who do their policies cater for? the average joe aka the working class. the nhs, fairer taxation, cheaper public transport, a decent chunk of their manifesto caters for the working class.
fuck off tory shill.

>>732883239
>being run over
run over because Brittards can't manage to drive on the proper side of the street you mean?

>>732880293
the conservatives are better politicians and probably sharper people but the center left to left will always be better for most people.

Jesus do not listen to what anyone here says. If you're so unsure on who to vote for, for the love of God just don't vote.

The way I see it is, all the parties are pretty shit, you can just go by a manifesto, but we all know that parties don't stick to manifestos and always do extra shit to piss people off. Like with the tories fucking up our freedoms.

The way I see it. Vote tories this time round so we can get hard brexit and be done with the fucking EU. Petition the government to give us a referendum on legalising weed so we have a boost in the economy with new jobs and shit. Then next election go with either labour or lib dems.


As a current labour member. Don't let the corbyn cocksuckers trick you into thinking corbyn is the best thing since sliced bread. The man is far too ideologically motivated, you also have to consider the people he puts in top positions. Mcdonald who is a Marxist and will be in charge of the country, which is why they want to nationalise railways and utilities. Unfortunately I think too many are too young to remember when Britain used to have constant power cuts and three day working week because of all the nationalisation. After 8 years of austerity.


Vote conservative. Hard brexit. Remove champagne socialists from labour. Or put faith in the lib dems to actually make half decent policies. It's all gone to shit really.

>>732880293
Your vote doesnt matter. Until there's proportional representation your vote doesn't matter because everyone else in your constituency has made up their mind. There is literally not one good defence of the electoral system as it is

>>732883442
It's what we call an economic downturn. It happens a lot. This is a good time for buying.

>>732883613
Yes I have noticed, see:

>>732883157

>>732883779
Because Muhammad and friends would rather use you as the road

>>732880293
UKIP my dude

24 yo Brit here also not sure

Would like Jeremy Corybn to take us back to the 70s, but feels hes gonna be a bit of a pussy in the face of brexit

First reply to this post is who i will vote for

Take it this way OP.

Labour- the "workers" party, no longer fit the needs or requirements of the working class. They didn't give a shit about the working class when it came to Brexit, just called them all racists and xenophobes.

They propose a £10 minimum wage, despite the fact it will do NOTHING. Inflation and costs of goods and services will rise to meet this and you will be NO better off than you were before.

They want to give free tuition... great idea. Apart from the fact that it will mean unis will begin to restrict applicants, having less places than before, only the best educated and best suited will be accepted. This means that poor people have NO CHANCE unless they're gifted. Also it means uni courses will be reduced from the plethora you have now, to a handful as it will be publically accountable.

They want to borrow £500 billion pounds and piss it away.

They want to spend money on failed businesses like Royal Mail and renationalise them DESPITE the fact that they couldn't keep up in the first place.

Labour doesn't give a fuck about the working class. They are too up their own arses to care.

Also not to mention taxing high earners AND also capping pay, which means no incentive to earn any real money. Don't forge that that tax rate starts at £80k.

Guess who starts on £75k? Just below that threshold. OH WAIT it's the politicians.

Don't even get me started on commie Corbyn. Their manifesto is fucking awful, if you believe half of what's written their you're too fucking gullible.

>>732883833
>Petition the government to give us a referendum on legalising weed
I stopped considering your post as a valid responce at this sentence.

>>732883958
moot

>>732883157
the way i see it is if you want a chance of a fairer system then corbyn is the man who is going to try to give that.
increased living wages, multi-billion pound companies pay more tax, re-nationalisation of services like the railways and reverse the damage being done to the NHS and public services like education.
if you want a system that continues to give the biggest breaks to the people at the top then vote conservative, and also youll be able to go and hunt foxes..
ive never voted before either because imo most politicians are in it for themselves and have vested interests but corbyn is a real alternative

>>732883958
Labour

>>732883613
Again, the main reason is Corbyn. We do NOT want Corbyn leading Brexit. He'll either cancel Brexit altogether or settle for an absolutely terrible deal.

>>732883638
Are you kidding? She couldn't resist stirring the pot for one fucking day after the formal reception with the whole "bloody difficult" bollocks. It's like the gov now prioritise winning dumb soundbite points over actually being able to negotiate a good deal.

>>732883613
true and now the bbc is so biased without even putting real information across either, alot of fearmongering from tories

>>732883896
dude, the percentage of muslims among british citizens is way higher than in the rest of europe.
So much more Mohammed and Sharia Law in the near future in Britain, than on the continent.

>>732883498

It doesn't even take basic economics to understand that raising the minimum wage will not do a damned thing apart from make YOU believe you're better off.

You aren't. at all.
I'm actually quite well versed on the subject, too drained after a days work to debate further on it really. I commented a little further indepth here.

>>732883996

>>732884119

labour it is

>>732884119
>>732884166
NO CUNT I FUCKING SAID MOOT FIRST

>>732883996
>>732883833

Thanks, finally two decent arguments for conservative.

Again though, saying that labour will get rid of tuition fees. Will that actually happen? I'm at uni atm, it doesn't seem likely that they'll actually go through with it.

It's all bullshit lol

>>732884224

moot aint a fucking party.

Get his name on the ballet paper and ill vote for moot

>>732884166
>>732884224
kek

>>732884138
Why do you think that?

You know Corbin wanted out of the EU right?

Are you influenced by the media bias?

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OP here,

fuck me, I'm not closer to making a decision.

I don't how anyone can choose, since either party can be argued good or bad. It's exhausting tbh

>>732883998
So you want to restrict the freedoms of people. Restrict more legitimate jobs, restrict the amount of taxes our government can get. Continue with the policing of random gimps selling weed, putting people in prison on our dime all the while a huge percentage of the country has tried it including an awful lot of the mps.

I would like to see a legitimate argument against considering it. Other than you hate stoners and the smell.

Corbyn is glorified communism, lib Dems have a better manifesto. Of you voted remain and cried about older people taking Merkle land away then voting for labour is hypocritical.

>>732884166
If you're actually voting labour because someone tells you to first you're multiple levels of retarded.

>>732884471
i wonder if karl is conservative or labour

i bet he doesn't give a shit

>>732884102
>if you want a fairer system then Corbyn is the man who is going to try to give you that
Bitch please. Corbyn will just pull us back into the hellish landscape of the EU.

>>732884224
Unfortunately, I don't believe Moot is running...

>>732883833
This guy gets it

>>732883958
>Would like Jeremy Corybn to take us back to the 70s

My dad has always said the people who like the 70s never lived through the 70s.

>>732884236

Remember when the Lib Dems said they'd get rid of tuition fees? That didn't happen, though they were a coalition, they didn't push for it.

It's not feasible with how current unis operate, it was fine in the past. But having it now would be disastrous for the systems of higher education.

It would mean complete upheaval, like I said it'll mean
-Less places
-Less access
-Less availability.

To name but a few downsides of the plan.
In a utopia yeah great idea, but it's not really realistically possible at the moment.

>>732880293
Labour Labour Labour
As a young person, The Tories have got their sights set to shaft you and people like you mate,

May is one of the most Authoritarian "leaders" we've ever had, a shameless career politician who is hopelessly out of her depth.

For the good of our country, our young, our old, our vulnerable, for the survival of the most wonderful institution in the world, our NHS.

Every time the mainstream media literally barefacedly lies about Corbyn, that is the Rupert Murdoch's, the Lord Rothermere's and the Richard Desmond's saying to you "Get back in your place!"

Finally, with Brexshit going ahead, do not, for a fucking moment ever believe, the Tories have you (as I assume) a working class bloke at heart, as their interest, A post Brexshit Tory country, will be a bonfire of workers rights.

Do yourself and your future family proud.

Vote Labour.

>>732884550
Kids eh?

>>732884471
Again, UKIP my dude

>>732881437
>National grid sold off for peanuts to china
>national rail services sold off for peanuts to european country's state rail services
>NHS being operated at insane expense by subpar private contractors

and all the developments are funded by taxpayers...with any profit squirrelled away into corporate accounts, taxed at the lowest rate in the world.

How the fuck is this good management of the economy you fucking lemon?

>>732880293
dont vote, it doesnt do anything

>>732883157
dig through all the trash on here and you find a very valid point

regardless of your opinion, the campaign so far in the media has been Labour coming up with stuff (either revolutionary or mad) and Tories saying "we're screwed if they get in"

so it's hope tactics vs. fear tactics - whichever speaks to you more probably decides it

>>732884502
L'l.
>multiple levels of retarded

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>>732881900
This tbh fam
>pic related

vote labour. historically, conservative parties always fuck shit up. liberal factions are generally the agents of progress. labour might not be perfect, but its better than conservative or ukip

but don't take my word for it. read through the different stances of each party, and see which you agree more with.

>>732884471
If you don't have a reason to vote, don't vote. You want your vote to represent your opinion, so don't throw it at a party when you aren't sure what you think of them or their policies.

>>732884695
If you want labour, vote lib dem, unless you're a communist of course

>>732880293
>bullshit

Youre right. Dont even get involved. Everyones crazy bi partisan and it used to be general manners to not discuss politics.

You get into it and youll find yourself despising people youd have otherwise probably been great friends with. Stay out until the world sorts its goddamn shit out.

>>732884883
Is there any point? There's basically 0 chance of them winning, right?

I'm voting for Labour because I believe in Corbyn and really don't like May's plans.

Voting is very important, even if you just vote for the party you hate the least, you're voting for a Britain you'd hate the least.

>>732884628
He doesn't know shit. For someone who seems so worried over economics he sure seems blind about what's going on. Like the threat of hard Brexit forcing us to look at dropping corp tax and do more dodgy deals with the Arabs just to get the economy back to where it was before.

>>732884695

Typical Labour
"If you vote tories X will happen"

Stop scaremongering.

"lies about corbyn" yeah no, oddly enough the MSM is giving Corbyn a fucking rimjob recently and is currently giving him a tasty reacharound.

Sorry and you want to elect Corbyn, The man who basically just sold us down the river to the EU

He won't take a no deal for an answer MEANING, The EU can now give us the shittest deal possible because he's just shown his fucking hand.

>>732884550
brexit is happening regardless of whos in charge
id rather have someone running the country with some semblance to humanity as opposed to one who couldnt give two fucks about me

>>732880293
It depends a lot on your constituency. I have the misfortune to live in a predominantly Tory constituency. There will never be a Labour MP here, nor a Lib Dem. Whichever party I vote for is a protest vote, then. The important thing is to vote and to not vote Tory. Unless you want grammar schools and fox hunting, of course.

>>732880293
what colour are you? I'm not being nasty

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>>732884695
>Believing Brexit is a bad thing for workers
>Believing Brexit is a bad thing for Britain
>Believing Brexit is a bad thing for anyone but the EU
Unless, of course, you actually enjoy the lack of citizen representation within the EU's policy and lawmaking.

conservative if u want a good brexit deal. Labour if u a poor fat nigger that wants to claim benefits all his life and doesn't understand how the economy works.

>>732883387
labour's front bench is a joke, the remaining dregs of the party still willing to work with that mong from the 1970s, we wont compete with the east with paying out benefits to every lazy fucking cunt

>>732880293
Vote for something other than those two shit shows.
ATM I would aim left of Labour, simply because the right have actually managed to show their true colours in the brexit-debacle: headless, aimless chickens more interested in getting votes than enacting good policy, and perfectly comfortable straight up lying to you to get you vote.

So fuck them. Go left.

>>732880293
don't get shilled. listen to some entire videos of the leftists and try to get their perspective.
then listen to some entire videos by sargon of arkad and see if you still think, labour makes any sense. you can be done in an hour.
if you want a different perspective - watch some stuff, nigel farage said to the fascist eurocrats in brussels. the eu is not europe. there is a major difference!
then you will be able to make up your mind.

britain is right to leave the EU - and i wish my fucking home county germany would kill merkel for the antidemocratic shit she puts us germans through.

good luck!

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>tfw people actually think Cuckbyn is a viable option.

>>732885087
Sorry mate your "typical labour" comment just shows your bias.

People on both sides can say "typical ....., scaremongering" it doesn't mean much.

>>732883543
>requiring property ownership

a.k.a. how to negate any kind of youth vote

so then only old people vote, so only policies are put forward appealing to old people such as, i dunno, making it harder to buy a property, so that the rich stay rich

and they already do limit younger voters- if they cared for them they would put the vote on a weekend

one vote per person isn't perfect, but it's the best we've got

>>732885159

"The important thing is to vote and to not vote Tory"

KEK. Typical authoritarian Labour voter. I bet you're involved in one of those tactical voting schemes like a fucking faggot.

"I can't win fairly, so I'm going to poison the well whilst I suck Corbyn's cock"

Maybe OP doesn't want a communist as PM?

>>732885106
>brexit is happening regardless of whos in charge
You're kidding yourself if you genuinely believe that geriatric won't try to claw his way back into suckling on Merkel's saggy tit.

>>732883840
i voted for AV but the good reason is we dont produce shitty coalitions usually

>>732885402
Strong argument m8, oh shit you put cuck in his name better not vote for him

if anyone here actually thinks that fucking Corbyn can lead a country when he has been doing fuck all for 30 years you are autistic and should kill yourself.

>>732885222
Lol wut, I'm white

>>732885067
>I'm voting for Labour because I believe in Corbyn and really don't like May's plans.
>because I believe in Corbyn
>believe
stop beeing a superficial cunt. corbyn is a boneless marxist cuck.

I'll sell my vote to the highest bidder on here tbh, In a labour/green swing seat.

>>732885414

Nah, I just hate faggots who are gobbling down Labour's bullshit and then asking for seconds.

How about think critically about what labour are offering and question as to whether it's actually realistically possible.

PROTIP- It's not.

Both are terrible. Right now i'd say Labour are slightly less terrible.

May said this recently.

"“There have obviously been some studies into the use of cannabis or the derivatives in relation to the medical use, but the reason I don’t believe in legislating … making cannabis use legal … is because of the impact that I see it having on too many people in terms of the drug use, and I think what we’ve seen is stronger forms now being used. I think it can have a real impact impact on people in terms of their mental health. But, it can also, of course, lead to people going on to harder drugs.”

“There’s a wonderful woman in my constituency, Elizabeth Burton-Phillips, who runs DrugFam which supports families … One of her twin sons—they both started on cannabis when they were at school—went on to heroin and one of her twin sons committed suicide. This has a huge impact on families.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-refuses-consider-legalising-cannabis-10428612

>>732885087
> Corbyn, The man who basically just sold us down the river to the EU
Er... which Corbyn are you talking about? Do you know what words mean?

>>732885106
Do you think Corbyn gives two fucks about you? Because he doesn't. Neither does May. None of them even know you exist.
We want May in charge because she's shown that she knows how much leverage she wields in Brexit negotiations. Corbyn has shown that he loves sucking the EU cock.

Im a labour member. All emails start they send out to members always include the word comrade. The main guys wax lyrical about Marxism. They regularly share platforms with communists. They are highly collective and ideological, and do not care about individual rights.

When Owen Smith went up against corbyn his key pledge was that equality of opportunity has failed. And he will campaign for equality of outcome. He thought that would win him labour votes. These are the type of people in the party. They want to take away individual rights and only focus on the collective.

This country will strive by increasing individual rights and freedoms. Unfortunately no party is interested in that, but the labour party is arguing against that.

If you want to vote in the party that opened up mass immigration just to get more votes. That constantly shouts racist and sexist policies then so be it.

Just vote libdem. Their policies make sense and are great, and the tories are going to win whatever happens so why not vote for what would be good?

>>732880293
Vote Labour.
Any other vote means that Conservatives win.
Conservatives will continue to fuck everyone.

UKIP are finished after actually getting their goal.
Lib Dems and Greens don't have enough support to take on the Tories.

This is a time for strategic voting. Vote Labour, even if you don't actually support them normally.

So can someone explain to me the difference between left and right in US and UK,

and why it is that so many opinions are defined as left and right in US, seems like everything's connected to that.

>>732885340
I saw it the other way around. Didn't see a single valid argument from the left during the Brexit vote.

>>732881567
Actually this will soon be true thanks to the digital economy bill. Any website that hosts pornography that does not have an active age verification system (i.e. credit card, passport number lookup, etc) will be illegal and ISPs will be forced to block access.

>>732885453
>one vote per person isn't perfect, but it's the best we've got
Chruchill said that the best argument against democracy was 5 minutes spent talking to the average voter.
Most people find politics boring and difficult. Only the political dweebs really find it interesting and to them it's a team sport.

>>732880293
well im going labour because of the pledge to remove uni tuition fees. but thats just my opinion make your own choice just for god's sake don't be a twat and abstain.

>>732885692
http://www.epi.org/publication/impact-of-infrastructure-investments/

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1468-0297.00561/full

point being: investment in public services offers a *substantial* increase in long term economic growth.

It doesn't look as sexy on the headlines as axing everything, selling everything off and getting nine-figure sums in the tabloids...but it works.

>>732880293
Definetly Tory. Even the Scottish are turning Tory.

>>732885623
I think he's an American that just really wanted an excuse to spell colour with a u.

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>>732880293
You need to ask people of voting age in 1976 about the labour party. They bankrupted the country and almost did it again with the last labour government. They cannot be trusted. The labour party and maths do not go together. Diane (anti-white) Abbott is a prime example.

>>732885813
Sorry do you think that telling the EU

"Oh we'll basically take any deal you offer us, because I think we're weak as fuck. You can literally exploit us. Because I'm Jeremy Corbyn and I'm not willing to say No to you"

Do you not think that's a bad thing?

It's literally like joining into a job interview and saying

" I really need this job, I'll take ANY salary you will give me. But please I promise I'm in a strong negotiating decision"

He's making the UK look weak and willing to accept any offer, because he's not willing to take NO offer.

>>732886222
Are they fuck, SNP or labour only, not a tory in sight

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>>732885402

>cuckbyn

>>732886096
i wonder if the clueless people do genuinely balance each other out, like all those that say "i like that colour" = "he has a funny name"

>>732885257
You do know there are UK members of the European parliament right?
You know that election people never gave a fuck about and thus sodding UKIP members got the seats?

>>732886174

Yeah investing in that Royal Mail is a GREEEAAAAT idea, you know the infrastructure system which was failing because it couldnt keep up with the competition?

BRILLIANT IDEA!

>>732885793
It's a gateway drug. We've all known this for decades. What she's saying is true, though I may not agree with her on it.

>>732885574

"borrow a few hundred billion"

from whom do we borrow it off
how do we pay it back??

inb4
>muh 1%

>>732886222
Keep believing the BBC, wee man.

conservative and happy to admit it against leftist labour wants to hug all and get rid of trident and the others wont win anyway, only people that vote labour are benefits scum.... idiots or public sector workers that think they deserve more when realistically if they spent money wisely would be just fine... urrr hurrr duurrr more loans for frivolous crap I cant afford to repay.... oh noes recession.... to sum up. vote tory

>>732886335
ok buddy we will see wont we
tories will get 6-10 seats labour 1-2

>>732886174
promote your fucking keynsianism elsewhere, faggot. labour will invest in EU, burocracy and more paper pushers - not in real infrastructure. they will run out of other people's money, every fuckin time.

>>732886014
Left in the US is like, slightly further right of the conservatives in the UK

>>732885477
haha nah i voted remain and even i wouldn't want to see him try that

>>732886110
If you have a single issue. You can petition the government and request them to debate it in house of lords. Brings publicity to issue. Other parties will always argue against party in power so there will be lots of support. Then you can run media campaigns to get this going. This will make the current government either crack to pressure or to have to constantly make arguments to against. It will cause them to lose support and then they run the risk of losing next election. People have power to make a change in the current government but they choose not to.

>>732883442
Fuck You! you know Obama's people caused me to loose 4/5 value of my house that I cant get back, and have to sell at a huge loss, because of their stupid spending scheme in the banks pockets!

>>732886547
bbc have a left bias

>>732886547
Implying the BBC aren't left leaning as fuck.

>>732886314
When did he say that?

>>732886110
You're a fucking moron.

>>732886644
Not in Scotland, they don't.

>>732882308
you must be high.

>>732886526
Debt's increased massively under tories, but yeah fuck labour for also wanting to borrow money, which every single government ever does.

>>732886516
It's a gateway because you're making people go to dealers. Dealers will always want to get people onto harder more expensive stuff. Remove the need to go to dealers you remove the incentive for people to move to harder drugs

>>732886757

When he said in his manifesto that he won't take a "No Deal" from the EU.

He's played his hand, and made it public knowledge. If he's not willing to take a No Deal. They'll take him for a ride.

>>732886667
see
>>732886781

I couldn't give a shiny fuck how they conduct themselves in London, sorry lads.

>>732886006
How does this argument make sense in your mind?

>>732886633
Typical Trumpfag, smh

>>732886447
Nothing at all to do with the cuts to their infrastructure, meaning they're attempting to remain competitive with fewer resources.

Also what about the other national services? Or do you wish to deflect again?

>>732880293
Labour are self-proclaimed Marxists. That should be reason enough to never ever consider voting for them.

>>732886572
Missing a few MPs there pal, if only there was a massively dominant party in scotland you're forgetting to mention

>>732885453
We don't have one vote per person. Like the electoral college in the US the number of MPs per constituency is almost never representative of the population in those constituencies. So votes cast in areas where the voter population to MP ratio is high are worth less than bumfuck nowhere places.
The majority formed by MPs holding seats in the commons is very much different from the proportion of votes actually cast.
Hence why a lot of people in "safe" constituencies feel their vote is wasted.

>>732885869
so may will be strong on that one thing you want, so what?
like i say you'll get brexit either way, one is without the other toxic polices the tories will be able to bring through to the detriment of a lot of people

>>732882821
no, you're not polite.

>>732886644
>>732886667
Cutting away from Labour manifesto
to talk about Trump? Yeah real left-wing bias there.

>>732886516
You know what the biggest gateway drug of them all is?
Alcohol.

>>732884102
>increased living wages
Leading to increased inflation, thus nullifying increased wages. A wage-price spiral was how Labour bankrupted the country in the 1970s. Do you even economics?

>multi-billion pound companies pay more tax
Meaning the UK's biggest employers pull out of the country, leading to a vast rise in unemployment

>re-nationalisation of services like the railways
Which has to be paid for through your tax bill, and everybody else's. You enjoy being poor, I presume?

>>732887064
oh jeez yeah a rule is just 1 thing that happened once

>>732886895
You're expecting logic from a Labour supporter?

>>732886837

Um when coalition took over they had to borrow because Labour had pissed it all away. They even got left that note, you remember?

"I'm afraid there is no money"

Yeah, cool. Also annual borrowing is actually done since Labour left. For the last 7 years actually...

>>>732886558
Vote my way or you're dumb, poor or a nurse. Solid argument. Also learn to use punctuation, ..... doesn't go into one sentence 5 times

>>732884149
>implying the BBC isn't run by SJWs, feminists, multiculturalists and other sundry lefties

>>732886895
How does it not?
Tories are bad and will continue to fuck everyone.

Splitting "anti-Tory" votes between three parties guarantees a Tory win because of out first-past-the-post system.

Lib-Dems and Greens never have enough support to really make huge dents.

Therefore, voting for Labour is the only anti-Tory vote that has a chance at working.

I'm honestly amazed that anyone would trust Labour with Brexit negotiations. We already know they would keep free movement, which I find reason enough to vote against them.

>>732886633
Lol, thanks for the laugh, entitled twat

>>732886968

It's not a deflection, I admire Corbyn's nationalistic ideas despite him being a pawn for the EU.

But really, the nationalization of the public infrastructure is not going to work. I wish it would, but it won't.

>>732883833

Guys! We just need to legalise weed and everything will be fine!

Fucking stoner fags... when will they learn that there is more to life than weed.

>>732887220
One piece of evidence is one more than you provided.

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>>732884162
>what is a France?
>how many """""refugees""""" did Germany let in?
>what is news?

>>732887319
>"Tory is bad because reasons."
The Tories are the only ones currently with a vague understanding of economics and power politics.

>>732880293
Honestly, whoever is most against filth(immigrants) invading your beautiful country.

>>732887064

BBC are trying to retain viewership, I think people would be more likely to stay tuned to Trump than to Commie Corbyn.

>>732886877
Weirdly I can see this on some news sites but not others, and not in the manifesto. Dunno if you have a quote on hand, but it would be helpful to see if so.

CheeseBergurland here, why don't the Brits leave the EU, reinvest in the country, and then buy all the broke nations within the EU? They'll all be privately owned under British companies and ran the British way.

Also put Trump as a write in.

>>732886986
I wasn't taling about the SNP and I don't give a fuck about the backwards SNP
sooner rid of scotland all together the better to be honest.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people, scotish politics is for people that look like live in a cave

>>732887244
Tories have less than no money, over a trillion in debt. And we weren't that badly in debt when labour left. At least labour didn't try and kill the disabled by starving them.

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>>732885453
not the guy you're replying to, but;

I live & work in London, I'm 27, an equities trader, and everyone I know, in my firm or others, voted leave.

And yes we all own property, and yes, we're all very informed, and yes we're 'young'.

The argument that property entitles you to vote is a good one.

If you own property you have a horse in the race, you have a job, you have a vested interest in the future, you're contributing to that future whether your party won or lost.

To insinuate that only rich old people own property is ludicrous at best, ignorant at worst. What about all those people who now own their council houses which they paid penny's on the pound for?


>>732885574
If you legitimately think Corbyn is a viable option for the country, you're deluded. Even Labour don't back him! Your party has had rallies where they dont even mention his name! He appeals to the penniless feckless, hippie, who thinks disbanding Trident seems like a great idea.

And that any deal is better than no deal! You see how utterly ridiculous that is, right?
>heres a deal, you personally give me £1,000,000 a day forever, in return for nothing. Or we can have no deal. Which is best?

And dont get me started on that pitiful Shadow Home Secretary... 10,000 cops for either £300,000 or £83,000,000?

FIGURES SHE GAVE WHILST AT HER FUCKING DESK?!

A house divided cannot stand. Labour is a house divided. Expect a tory win, and the fragmentation of Labour.

Sure the manifesto looks great, if you're illiterate. Simple maths decimates it (pun very much intended). Tax the wealthy and they leave (looking a gift horse in the mouth?). Then wheres the few billion coming from? Its hard to find even if you spend it twice.

Enron would run the country better than Corbyn.

Enough of an argument?

>>732886041
Nah, they were simply inefficient dullards.
But the right were vocal, active, energetic and lying their fucking asses off to fool you.

And they succeeded. Well done.

>>732887478
haha ok mate wow you win - man so smart

>>732887425
If you don't have even the moderate amount of money that guy has, you are obviously terrible with money. Don't try to bring down others because of your shortcomings.

>>732887125
I would like to see some evidence for any of those things.

>Increased living wages leading to increased inflation
That is a massive oversimplification and you know it, the biggest source of inflation at the moment is the ludicrous cost of housing and massive amount of public debt that this has caused.

>multi billion pound companies pay more tax - therefore they pull out
Pull out to where exactly? The UK currently has the some of the lowest corporation taxes in the G7, proposed tax increases bring us closer to the middle of the pack. The USA and Japan are at the top of that table - I presume nobody at all runs a business from these countries?

>renationalisation of railways
Yes, paid for through taxes...however funds raised from these services would go back into the state treasuries, instead of going to private companies...who are paying fuck all in corporation tax. Or in some cases going to overseas countries, therefore paying nothing at all in corporation tax. Sounds like a pretty good money-maker to me.

Labour all day every day. Corbyn is a threat, which is why they're going to the lengths they have to make him look like a fool.

May is completely out of her depth. Strong and stable leader, aye my fucking arse she is.

>>732887603
Sure, but then that means they're not biased towards him?

>>732887597
Beautiful, fucking kek. Nothing beautiful about Luton or Hull

>>732884550
>>732884138
You do appreciate Corbyn was against the Maastricht Treaty...you know, that thing that established the EU in the first place? This was on the grounds that it "takes away from national parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers who will impose the economic policies of price stability, deflation and high unemployment throughout the European Community"

He voted against the Lisbon treaty on the basis that the EU has "always suffered a serious democratic deficit".

By what metric is he sucking EU's cock?

>>732887455

See above, he's not a pawn. He hates globalism and values our autonomy as a nation, he's been incredibly outspoken on this front throughout his career. If you dug a little deeper than recent media coverage, this is easily apparent.

Also nationalisation of public infrastructure *DOES* work, look at the citations listed. In countries where investment in public infrastructure takes place, the economy is stronger in the long term.

Unfortunately people like seeing immediate benefits without the consideration of long-term impacts.

>>732887267
I said nothing about voting my way :) I just stated an opinion and I'll use what ever punctuation I like. fuck you and have a nice day ....... :)

>>732887459
That guy said nothing about weed.

>>732887459
weed these days fucks you up, my friends life is a write off - gave him psychosis and has been unemployed for 10 years while we're all pilots and doctors and lawyers etc

>>732887722

This 100%.
Also dub dubs

>>732886579
Wait what, so you're saying the left of the US is MORE right wing than the right wing of the UK? Did you mean labour?

huh

>>732887652
>buy a country
So american it hurts.

>>732887871
Agreed. BUT, DO SOMETHING now, for fucksake.

>>732887685
name one disabled person who died of starvation - what a load of horseshit, go and wank off to daniel blake

Labour is a joke.
People who vote for it are either 12 or retarded, I mean seriously taxing company owners even more will just make them think"Why should I work harder only to have my hard earned money taken away and given to people I dont even care about" and with that they will pack there bags, fire all employees and move to somewhere with less tax.
My dad is a businessman, he owns a company and he said he would do just that if labour increased the taxs as he pays 40-50% in tax.

>>732886633
>my poor decisions are the governments fault.

Where'd you buy your house? Detroit? Do you know how property markets work? Or did you just sign for a big'ole debt without knowing why, other than 'gotta own a house right guiz?'

>>732887652
The way the EU is going, that isn't even impossible.

Why?
If you think poor people who can't afford to eat or pay rent should be given a little help, Labour want to tax the super-rich a little more to help those guys.

If you think the super-rich should be given their tax money back and hate foxes, vote conservative.

If you appreciated getting free health care on the NHS for 19 years, vote Labour. If you think rich people should be able to profit from you having to pay for health care, vote conservative.

If you think a government putting the entire country into debt so they can give money back to millionaires, vote conservative. If you think a government putting the entire country into debt so the entire country gets better public services, vote Labour.

If you think fairies are real, vote Lib Dem.

If you think science is an evil conspiracy, vote Green.

>>732887674
So desperate to pretend the tories are winning there, you just ignore them entirely. Labour are winning england if you just ignore the conservatives, oh wait I don't like them so I can pretend they don't exist.

>>732880293
vote ukip
nigel do us proud

>>732884674
>Remember when the Lib Dems said they'd get rid of tuition fees?

... if they won the election. They didn't win the election. Are you literally retarded?

>>732885356
This so much.

Actually read books written by experts from left perspectives and right perspectives.

Im left and theres only one thing i hate and despise as much as brainwashed cuck fuck rightards...

Brainwashed cuck fuck libtards.


If you are educated and well informed then your decision and your vote matters. Otherwise youre probably full of shit.

>>732887685
What are you even talking about at this point.

>>732888060
If there's anything Brexit has proved it's that big businesses scream and squawk about the tiniest hint of tariff increase, but sit there and take it when it actually happens.

>>732888115
kekd with the Greens.

I have a friend who's a diehard green supporter; thinks GMOs are evil and full of "chemicals", and that Nuclear Energy is the antichrist.

Press her on the particulars of these beliefs and she goes into a flat spin. It's fun.

>>732887890
"values our autonomy"

So that's why he said he wouldn't accept a "no deal" with the EU and why he was remain until he was forced to vote leave?

Yeah he really believes in our country *yawn*.
I've dug plenty deep. I know all I need to know about Corbyn. He's a spineless, limp wristed fuckwit.

Don't forget he's always been "on the right side of history" bull they keep slinging. No, he hasn't. He just doesn't like to make difficult decisions so remains by the sidelines.

>>732887575
>The Tories understand economics and aren't just behaving along ideological lines.
I wish this meme would die.
Osborne backed down from his policies more often than a fronting animal and basically every every economist told them to end austerity as soon as possible to help the economy but they were too busy using it as a way to punish poor people to care.

Yeah, they're out now, but we have the B-Team now who are only in because everyone remotely competent fucked off when Brexit happened.

>>732887459
I wrote that post and I dont even smoke weed. I just want a referendum on it and let the people decide. If there's not enough support then it doesn't matter. I personally don't want people's personal freedoms suppressed and people placed in prisons on my dime because they partake in something that politicians, musicians and entertainment types do all the time and get away with it.

>>732888060
By voting Labour you're voting for a great depression.
Jeremy Corbyn doesn't understand a thing about economics and is hoping that the loud minority of SJW's and the kids on Facebook vote for him, but he will fail as they are the minority

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>>732887722
holy fucking shit this
>check'd n rekt

nothing will change, who cares anymore
just live your life and dont associate with mudslimes too much

>>732888244
> make vauge suggestions of reading books but don't mention any in particular
> call opponents brainwashed
> "cuck"
wew lad you went full murican there

>>732888340

People who hate GMO's and Nuclear power piss me off.

Yeah let's ban something that's reliably been feeding nations for years and POSSIBLY the cleanest and cheapest form of power we have.

The Green party is full of feminist ideologues anyway. Fucking disgusting.

>>732882970
If you earn £100,000 you'd pay an extra £1000 in tax under Labour's new policies.

>>732888244
Ok, I was kind of hoping for something that wasn't "cuck fuck libtards".

I see that shit all the time and its' not a good argument.

>>732884491
I hate the smell of weed. I hate the smell of tabbaco too. It all smells like shit tbh. Not a valid argument. Legalise weed, no reason not to really other than the fact we'll have a country full of stoners

>>732886312

this is a a good example not to vote labour...it's just spend, spend, spend.

>>732888115
"Super-rich" = moderately well off, anyone above the poverty line.

>>732887947
What he said is correct.

>>732888115
super rich? oh people who earn 80k a year who might have tried at school and are already employing people and propping up the economy.
the working class should pay more and we should have a flat tax, I never use the NHS or police or any services, I pay enough already, more than labour voters ever will do for this country

>>732885067
>Voting is very important
Objectively wrong. Unless you live in a marginal consitutency, voting is a complete waste of time.

Unless and until we get proportional representation, we will never live in a democracy.

>>732887722
Second guy you replied too. I never said I was a Labour supported, don't call them my party. So yeah, Abbott fucked up, fair enough. But the idea that government can't function with a 'divided' house isn't true, it just means that ideas are actually opposed rather than anything the leaders want getting pushed through. Also we have the lowest corporation tax in europe, any problems raising that? We can still be lowest in europe and raise it, and it's a labour idea.

>>732888115
Because labour totally never fucked over the economy...

>>732888589
Seems fair to me. One fucking percent.

>>732883833
Don't listen to this guy.
Hard Brexit will cripple us. 100bn we have to pay to leave the EU.
Something tells me that not getting any trade deals as well as that figure isn't gonna end well

>the rich stay rich
>punishing the poor
>only old people vote

sure are a lot of five year olds in here...

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>>732887722
>a house divided cannot stand
I salute you bongo friend

>>732888583
Yeah I'm at uni studying biochem at the moment, so that pissed me off. I don't know who I'll vote for , but it definitely won't be them

>>732888371
You clearly have zero understanding of economics.

>>732887776
jesus christ assume much? I'm a student, and I've inherited enough that I could buy a house if I tried, so I am actually pretty like the poster. Also no people my age can't just get a house, no matter how sensible with money they are. Get off your high horse.

>>732888702
Wow, so labour must be like literal communism to US

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>>732885612
Imagine reaching his age and still holding the same opinions you held at university. Just fucking embarrassing.

>>732888144
the original point was labour v tories in scotland

>>732888429
This. If Corbyn manages to win, I will be VERY suspicious of the election.