What does /b/ think of Karl Marx?

Marxism sits at a pretty 2nd place behind Monotheism in the department of being a deliberate cancer upon the human race.

>>732801859
Hes a fucking faggot

>>732801859
While he is a racist and wrong on communism his criticism on capitalism is pretty spot on.

>>732801992
So, do you not think the working classes are being exploited by the rich? This was his main point.

>>732801992
>monotheism
>being cancer

Literally the only thing that united all Europe was monotheism faggot, and this helped a lot in the advancement of Technology

The thing edgy atheists don´t get it, it was religion who enable control of population and a lot of times to make them pursuit philosophy or technology instead of fighting each other like African sub saharan tribes.

>>732802265
No, things are not so simple

Some may have others don´t, regulation is necessary, but his theory of an utopic society is cancer

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Cancer. Pure cancer.

>>732802340
Yeah religion is super helpful in science /s

>>732802265

No, I just think Communism is cancer.

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>>732801859
a Bitch. nigga!!!!!!!!

>>732802340

>it was religion who enable control of population and a lot of times to make them pursuit philosophy or technology instead of fighting each other like African sub saharan tribes.

They still fought each other just as much.

>>732802582
At that period was mostly priests who made a fucking lot of discoveries going to mathematics to anatomy

>>732801859
I think if people implemented his ideas correctly it would create the perfect society.

>>732802725
But less...

Look at the pagan tribes fighting each other, every population had his own believes, natural evolution only made possible some spread

You may thank Catholicism for Europe being a super potency today

>>732802443
Thats a conservative Thomas Hobbes view That life is nasty brutish and short. Marx isn't saying there will be a world where there's no bad things ever he's just saying there's a much better system after capitalism fails

>>732802952
Really? the bests systems there are, are all capitalist

The worse there ever was, were both born from his ideias:
Fascism and socialism

Capitalism is just a tool who make the world spin, what it matter to a society is how your government operates it.

I can go further if you want

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>>732801859

Marxism: the radical idea that the working man is being fucked over by rich elites

....wait why am I supposed to be against this

>>732802730
But what do you think would've happened when there would be no religion? It's not that hard man, seriously.

>>732803681
People would focus more on ethnicity and language, and the wars would happen anyway...

Even if they did not fight, there would be no union either

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>>732803893
>divorced from reality
>alienation is the core of Marx's view

It's almost as though you've been indoctrinated to fight a viewpoint that is a threat to the people who rule you.

>>732803294
Fascism comes from Giovanni Gentile not Marx. Fascism is based on conflict and perpetual war. Communism is based on living as peacefully as possible which is why it's called communism. The reason communist fight is because of capitalist oppression and opposition. Fascists fight to spread the idea of the motherland and the nation. Communism erases National boundaries.

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>>732803294

>Capitalism is just a tool

It's a tool that is fundamentally exploitative. Employers function as middlemen between workers and consumers, yet it's the middlemen that somehow end up with all the money.

>>732801859
Makes Hitler look like Hemingway

I haven't read much of his stuff, some of his students are pretty on the ball with weird shit.
I find the story of him having sex with his partner in Egyptian ruins and invoking an entity that lead to him writing all his teachings pretty interesting.
In fact, I find most of his Magikal teachings interesting, but again, never read too much of his stuff, just his students.

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>>732805337

Stealing the profits of someone else's labor is exploitation full stop.

Where do you buy his books?

>>732804840
What do you have against free things? This is the kind of brain washing the neoliberal order does. They make you feel like things have to have a price or somehow you're doing something wrong. That you have to surrender you time or money for things you need. Think about this who does it serve? It serves the people in control of the production of items that make money by you feeling obligated to giving them everything you have for every little thing.

He was a faggot

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Absolute shit.

Does this mean I prefer capitalism? Yes. Does this mean I like capitalism? No.

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>>732804518
Does anyone have the version where the boss guy tells the reporter off with how shit actually works?

>>732804585
>Giovanni Gentile
He made his theories based on Marxism and Hegelian, while he reached a different conclusion

You can easily point the semblances between both ideologies.

Fascism is an socialism with nationalism in a crude way

Socialism is the elimination of the higher class and giving their power to both middle and lower class(sounds really similar to what happened to Germany and what Hitler preached right? the difference as I said is nationalism, let´s usurp the Jews and give the power to the Germans).

>Communism
>Living peacefully

Communism requires everyone single person to believe and accept their new way of life without complaining.

If you put human greed in the equation the you have USSR,China or North Korea.

Capitalism if you put greed in the equation, the government can and will ensure the law.
>>732804994

Have you ever being an entrepreneur? You take all the risks, there is not a single benefit if you fail, you can go bankrupt in a matter of seconds, there is not anyone to sue if you go, you have to manage everyone do their jobs, everyone must deliver everything on time, you are the center of attention, and if someone fails you fail.

It is quite easy to think being an entrepreneur is easy, but if it was anywhere close to be easy everyone would be one.

If you are a simple worker, you have benefits the entrepreneur will never have, but mostly you have one thing stability.

Workers accept being workers, they are not forced to work to someone they don´t like.
They accept earning less, but have less responsibility.


You look like an underage or never worked

>>732805791
Capitalism is collapsing right now so what's your point?

>>732806078
>collapsing

>>732805970

Have you ever tried being a bank robber? You take all the risks, there is not a single benefit if you fail, you can go to prison in a matter of seconds, there is not anyone to sue if you go, you have to manage everyone do their jobs, everyone must deliver everything on time, you are the center of attention, and if someone fails you fail.

>>732806153
So what is your point?
Being a bank robber is really easy in comparison to an entrepreneur... and these days no one robs banks anymore

If you fail it you go to jail, it was an attempt who don´t need a lot of will power, it took minutes.

being an entrepreneur takes in average years, and in the end you can loose everything, it takes willpower, a lot of it.

A robber it is just a leecher, entrepreneurs move our society

Old communism joke

"They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work"

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>>732806138
When even the americans start supporting socialism it raises red flags for capitalism's longevity.

>>732802875
A "perfect" society is impossible in my eyes. Human nature is our own downfall and we can only work around it. Capitalism, I believe is a good work around with many flaws that Marx pointed out. But he sure as hell didn't have anywhere near a good solution.

>>732806710
Is this the international day of demagogues?

And here I was expecting an economist explaining to me why it is failing

Go suck a dick faggot, come with a real argument...

Populations are influenced by plenty of factors, and their opinion does not reflect actual truth

>>732806647

>So what is your point?

Your argument that taking risk is intrinsically a good thing and deserves to be rewarded has no logical foundation. Second, the fact that business controllers "take risks" has nothing to do with a justification for stealing their employees' profits, it's a non sequitur.

>>732801859
i think he's right. socialism will work if we try it just one more time!

>>732807063
I just explained why they are different, and if you actually use your brain you could see that...

They don´t steal profit from workers, workers accept the trade of their work to being paid

the entrepreneur must find a way to make profit with this work, after he fulfill his obligation with the workers what is left belongs to him.

Like I said, if it is so easy to you, you should become an entrepreneur

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>>732801859
Just a jerk praised by morons.

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>>732801859
we should travel back in time and kill him

>>732805579
Kek, one more emotional argument who does not reflect the truth...

Continue being braindead commie brother

>>732807444
Fuck. Trips of truth

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>>732806647
>A robber it is just a leecher, entrepreneurs move our society

They are both leeches actually, it's workers who move society.

It's no surprise that in addition to supporting the stealing of workers' profits, you also try to steal the credit as well.

>>732801859

he's a bitch. spawned the only ideology that managed to kill more people in the 20th century than nazism.

>>732807952
You are just dumb and blocking my explanations, you are picking one part of what I type and pretend it was not being explained before...

That is why socialism/communism will be forever a joke who some slav bastards took to serious, and latter was romanticized by college students

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>>732808093

>yfw capitalism has killed more in the past 5 years alone

>>732808186
>most of those deaths happened in China
kek

>>732808186

3rd world shit countries who gives a fuck

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>>732808330

>3rd world shit countries

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>>732801859
He was an idiot that simply saw everyone as incompetent idiots (clear example of the Dunning Kruger effect in action); he was instrumental in the degeneration of society in Europe and European colonies, he also made it so it is impossible for a conservative or fiscally right wing individual to be elected in the UK and most of Europe as people don't like the prospect of taking responsibility for their actions.

In short, he should have hanged, as an enemy of the people of Europe, and a predator of the working class.

>>732801859
I legit dont remember/know what or who he is, I'm dead ass serious

>>732808186
>>732808330
but if you wanna be real. talking about the elephant in the room...
"The" Jew.

He was a faggot NEET just like bernout

>>732801859
ITT
Morons who didn't read a single page written by Marx

>>732808575
>Implying capitalism is the one who is the one to blame
>Implying Americans are just retard because, they can pay for a almost free health care, they simply do not want it to maintain their army
>Implying most of medical advancement is not made in US mostly because they have most funding on private companies

>>732808575
Thats what I ment

>>732808575
How do you know that these people wouldn't have died anyway, also, where are these statistics from? This picture really seems as if it was plucked from some socialist airhead's twitter page.

>>732808755
He started all this communist bullshit

>>732801859
A manbaby and a fucking hypocrite, he did not practice what he preached.

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>>732808755
oh but your a freedom fighter right

I think he'd change his mind if he saw the results of his critical thinking. especially around how many people died from his philosophies.

>>732808804
Marx didn't even understand his own writing. The guy was an idiot with a ham-handed view of the economy who played into people's arrogance of believing they can control something so large as the economy. Socialists are idiots and fiscally left wing people have low IQs and a nigger mentality. Go suck Bernie's shriveled cock, shareblue faggot.

>>732808650
>wanted workers to keep the profits of their labor instead of having it stolen by someone who didn't work for it
>saw everyone as incompetent idiots

Your characterization is pretty much the exact opposite of reality. Bravo

>>732809113
Moron indeed

>>732801859
Good on paper. Bad in practice.

I think he use to like going out in Soho and having a few ales, so we have one thing in common. Looks like he's game for a laugh but id try and steer clear of talk about politics, but given the time he lived in and how he percieved it, I guess id find that a bit difficult.

>>732808841
you are 100% wrong

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Friendly reminder that socialism works

>b-b-b-but that's not REEEL socialism because it doesn't fit by own personal arbitrary definition!!1!

kek

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>>732801859
His criticisms of capitalism are legitimate and still relevant today.

Anyone who disagrees is supporting a system that is fucking them over -- eg they are cucks

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>>732801859
His idea looks good in theory, but we live in a world of selfish individuals that would take advantage of the free benefits, thus decreasing productivity in the country. Since it would be a welfare state, the government would have to find the money to pay the expenses and would raise the taxes on both middle and upper class citizens to keep the government program afloat.

>>732809614
>inb4 someone attributes their happiness to race.

>>732809180
A job is a contract between an employer and an employee, this contact is mutually agreed upon; the worker can work somewhere else if they don't like their percentage of profit.
And the owning class decides the direction of the business, and provides the means for these people to work; the owner ensures the workers are headed in the right direction and there will always be a owning class.
Also, that business is the business owner's property, if they offer you a sum to work on their property and you accept it because it's the going rate for your service then I really don't see the issue.
You, and most socialists have a very one dimensional view of business and the economy; but I don't know why I bothered to respond because you are just going to give smarmy non-arguments in response, never actually debating your idea because you know deep down you are wrong and anyone with even a modicum of intellect will be able to out maneuver your ridiculous talking points.

>>732809614
>what is Venezuela
>what is cuba
Kek

>>732809299
Dafuq..I is not op..

>>732809614
>Nordic countries
>socialism

Kek, go read about economy faggot, they had and probably still have one of the open´est economies there is

>>732809614
Norway's economy is fucked and how can you be sure their happieness is based off the economic state of their country, also emotions are not an argument. Just because people are happy with something doesn't mean it is the right course of action. Also Denmark has a freer market than the United States, so that shoots your argument out of the water.

>>732806882
Its the truth. Why do you hate free things?

>>732810117
>conveniently ignores all examples of non-authoritarian democratic socialism that have created objectively better, stronger societies

I couldn't have come up with a better example of cherry picking if I tried. Well done, anon.

>>732801859

His Wild West stories are shit. Has been proved he never travelled to north america. So he pulled it all right out of his ass.
Anybody should have been able to see that from the start - I mean, come on.. Winnetou?

>>732810435
>The fact that they're happy with how things are being run doesn't mean anything

>>732801859
He was a historian and a philosopher, not an economist. He didn't understand economics and saw it entirely from a historical and ethical standpoint.

>>732810398
>>732810435

So you're saying that having very high taxes and redistributing wealth is still free market capitalism, or at the very least doesn't impede free market capitalism.

Very interesting. I guess there's literally no argument against following their system then.

>>732809614
The population of the state I live in is roughly 4 times the population of Norway. The nation is 60 times the population of Norway. Trying to make it work for over 300 million people is a pipe dream.

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Soviet marxist philosophers were damn hot.

>>732808575
Less than the deaths from opiates

>>732810887
Norway can do it because they're simply better people than you are.

>>732810703
Does it say that, that is the reason they are happy? No, it fucking doesn't. Again, even if they do like the way things are run it doesn't mean it is the right course of action. The average Norwegian is dumber than your average American with an IQ of 97 and just like every stupid cunt, maybe they like Socialism because it is the only life their myopic selves know of. Switzerland is a objectively better country and they are fiscally far more right wing.

>>732811030
Ahhhh...brilliant

>>732810829
Their capital is open you fucking retard it is easy as fuck to move your company to there and invest there

they had periods of freer market, and their new change in the system will show if a system can maintain or not.


and this
>>732810887

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>>732811028

Americans are addicted to opiates because of the misery of capitalism. To be fair we should attribute opiod deaths to capitalism as well.

>>732811072
>Noway scores much higher in terms of education than the U.S. does, where nearly a quarter of the population believes the Earth was created by God less than 10,000 years ago
>but its the Norwegians who are dumb

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>>732801859
Excellent analysis of capitalism, shaky strategy for actually dealing with it. Still better than most of the anarchist tripe that gets peddled today. Still better than AnCapism and like bullshit will ever be.

>>732811072
>People shouldn't run their society in the way that makes them most happy because some loser halfway across the world disapproves.

>>732801992
m'lady

>>732811228
>To be fair

And to be wrong. Cum hoc ergo propter hoc or correlation is not causation.

>>732810829
No, stop assuming what I mean, you smarmy idiot. Denmark's Taxes aren't even particularly high in comparison with the rest of Europe. Also, just because one of their economy's traits is similar to free market capitalism doesn't mean it is free market capitalism, and it doesn't mean legal theft of property is right. Because taxation is not right, but is necessary and therefore should be minimized as much as possible in the form of a low flat tax; the economy should not be used to vent the bitterness and envy of the working class.

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>>732810917

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>>732811586

Not all heroes wear capes

>>732811260
Just because the Norwegians do slightly better in school doesn't mean that they are more intelligent, you can teach a nigger to do algebra, it just takes longer and the right resources. Also, the passing grades are significantly lower in Norway, so it is easier to excel in their flawed and stupid education system, If you knew anything about Norway you would know social Marxism has fucked their education system to the point where Norwegian degrees mean nothing internationally.

>>732811847
Says the guy with no more than a GED.

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>>732811538

>when you're upset about taxation but okay with having the profits of your labor stolen

>>732810000
Fuck quads of even more truth.

>>732811345
Anarchist Communists are so fucking illogical, communism can't function in an anarchist state, that is why dictators always come to rule communist states. If anarchism every existed it would exist in the form of anarcho capitalism and tribalism, as is shown from the behavior of people in the middle ages, stone ages, and bronze ages.

>>732812089
No it wouldn't. Under so called "anarcho capitalism" anyone who's stronger than you has no reason to respect your property claims. "Anarcho capitalism" can't exist without destroying itself immediately.

>>732811996
I'm not having the value of my labor stolen, my service is only worth a certain amount, and that is what I earn. Your inability to understand how a business works is common place among many socialists.

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>>732801859
Not much..., but the rest of his family is pretty cool.

>>732812303
Kek. I am really stealing my employer now. My work is not worth a tenth of my wage.

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>>732801859
>>>732811586
>
>Not all heroes wear capes
Wut

>>732811891
And how would you know my level of education or was that yet more ad hominem and smarminess from someone who can't articulate their points. Socialism is indefensible and is only spouted by uneducated idiots or pseudo intellectuals concerned more about appearances than actually standing for anything meaningful. I have never received a convincing argument for socialism, all I get is fallacies, syllogisms, and insults. Socialism are truly sub humans, so go kick over bins with your faggoty, LARPing Antifa friends and stop pretending you have anything of substance to say.

>>732812303
>I like it when strangers fuck my wife
>everybody wins

Not everyone is a cuck. Stop trying to force a system of cuckoldry on everyone.

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>>732801859
>>>732811586
>
>Not all heroes wear capes

>>732811891
Confronted with uncomfortable truths, the human reverts to his trusty old defense mechanism and blind and baseless assumptions about his opponent.

>>732812885

This is before he had dementia. One wonders how things could have been different if we had non senile Trump in the white house.

>>732812446
This gave me a heart chuckle.

>>732812752
The market decides the value of labour; what you just posted is not an argument, it is a defense mechanism for not having an argument. Also, communism is the government fucking people over economically because some retards willed it. I am not trying to force anything on you, in fact economic libertarianism is the absence of force from the government So it is really you who is trying to force a retarded system on everyone else, without really understanding what the fuck you are talking about.

>>732813094
How is Trump senile?

ITT: People who have fallen so deep into the Capitalism meme they defend it beyond any logic.

>>732801859
His ideas are sometime okay-good theoretically. However whenever derivation of his ideas have been implicated, it has always ended in tragedy and failure

>>732813831
Socialists can't seem to defend their ideology with a shred of logic, capitalism is entirely logical.

>>732814035
>capitalism is entirely logical
If you like having a dick up your ass, sure.

>>732814119
Again, not any logic. What if I open a business and employ people to work for me, or I am an executive in a company? Am I getting fucked in the ass then? Because I doubt it, and I think people only get fucked in the ass in a capitalist system because they are stupid.

>>732813359
The fuck are you talking about? There is no such thing as a market independence from the government. The government creates markets by regulating private property and currency. All currency is backed by the government therefore the market is always dependent on government policy and regulations.

>>732806647
The worst robbers are bankers

>>732801859
His ideas were interesting but utopic, not saying that captalism works, just that comunism doesn't.

>>732814035
The fact that Capitalism has its own logic doesn't necessarily make it good.

>>732814269
>logic
>people only get fucked in the ass in a capitalist system because they are stupid.
Nice logic there, Einstein.

Ridiculously hypocrite, never raised a fucking finger to earn money his entire fucking life, married a rich hoe that gave him money while he wrote a fucking novel that people now belive just as idiots belive in the bible. Couldn't take care of his houuse, wife and children how the fuck would he know better than anyone how to take care of a whole country? His work should be fucking banned from the face of the world and communists slaughtered.

>>732814523
Oh, the Socialist is mad because he can't understand. The market decides the value of a currency, ever head of foreign exchange and how people make 6 digits sometimes more trading that? Also, you are talking about Keynesian economics, I want Hayekian economics (free market capitalism where the government removes market regulation. Also, the market decides prices of commodities and services through supply and demand, you learnt this in school, did you not?

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We know Anarcho Communism doesn't work at all, but what about Anarcho Capitalism? Any thoughts?

>>732811996
I'm not okay so I screw my employer out of more than my wage is on paper. I am in the rare position of knowing how much, to the penny I produce. I am the goose that layed the golden egg for that fucker. His choices are fire me and actually have to work or not be a greedy bastard and put up with a slightly lower profit and keep his cushy ass lifestyle.

>>732815337
I disagree that we know how either work. Anarcho capitalism makes me very uncomfortable. It seems very easy to have it lead to serfdom.

Try looking up mutalism or syndicalism. Mutualism is a different way of arrangements for capital, labor and personal, not private property.

>>732815107
>>732814842
Jesus, I'm fighting a war on two fronts. In a capitalist system your success is based on the value of your service and your ability to plan ahead and navigate the market effectively, whilst noticing patterns and acting on your findings accordingly.
You require some intelligence to do that, and therefore intelligent people tend to be champions of capitalism. Stupid people/poorly educated don't have a lot of worth when it comes to their trade and they are incapable of planning ahead and spotting patterns. Only stupid, ignorant and/or delusional people moan about capitalism.

>>732815337
Less tyranny is better because free humans innovate

>>732815582
Haha, Your scared of capitalism? And your answer is syndicalism, and you think any form of authoritarian economics can survive in an anarchist system, THE AMOUNT OF CONTRADICTION HURTS!

>>732815606
or people who are born poor and never have access to actually good education to beging with.

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>>732815337

Under so called "anarcho capitalism" anyone who's stronger than you has no reason to respect your property claims. "Anarcho capitalism" can't exist without destroying itself immediately.

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>>732801859

Can Anarcho capitalism work without currency? Instead, just trade things like the early 2nd millennia?

>>732815825
Again with the victim talk. That's fucking bullshit and you know it; many studies have concluded that intelligent people prosper regardless of social class, sure there may be some issues with poor education, but usually intelligent people are able to do the best with what they have and usually rise to the top. Look at some of Charles Murray's talks and reports.

>>732815780
No. I am a business owner who realized that if I treat my employees as equally to myself as possible and give them a stake in the game we all win. We all make money, our customers are happy because we are happy. People can speak honestly. You don't have to be a greedy.

Mutalism would work.

>>732816240
Makes sense. ***Not sarcasm***

>>732816215
Sure, unless you are brown.

Statistically a dumbass from Rich family will do far better than a genius from a poor. There is still social mobility in America despite attempts otherwise but don't kid yourself about how the cream naturally rises.

>>732816240
Syndicalism would not work and if it were imposed on me I would not allow it to work. If there was anarchy I would probably shoot the stupid fucked imposing it.

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>>732816240
World needs more people like you anon.

>tfw we forsake the next stage of human evolution due to the cult of greed

>>732816163
Nope. Not with fiat currency. A distributed currency might.

>>732816483
There would be alot of shooting back by people of like mind who choose to freely associate together. In Anarchism you can do as you please and accept the repercussions. You can go find like minded dinosaurs and rip each other off elsewhere.

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>>732816456
Well it's quite the contrary; I don't know what stats your looking at, or whether you are just saying that to make yourself feel better, again look at Richard Lynn and Charles Murray studies.

Also, don't tell me you honestly believe that shit about systemic oppression. You are on 4chan, the bane of political correctness and you haven't been red pilled on this issue yet?

Well look at these graphs I post below.

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>>732816456
Browns are less intelligent and can't hack it in a capitalist or European system, hence why their societies are in the dirt and they fall to the bottom of every predominantly white or Asian first world country.

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Some people think a utopia is a good thing, focusing more on their security than on their own freedom. If this is the case, aren't we playing into the hands of the ELITE at the top that campaign for equality? Even though there is no such thing as 100% equality.

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>>732816456

Groucho was funnier

>>732816861
I see oppression every day. The war on drugs, corrupt bankers not going to jail, illegal immigrants being used for corporate profits and a boogey man for political to remain in power. People not being able to access mental health treatment, lower tax rates on wealth then income, religious instiutions being tax exempt, cops hassling blacks for being black, cops hassling whites for being in a black part of town, poor urban and rural schools failing students.

But look at this study that shows it's equitable because there is an off chance you can move up the social ladder. Take the blinders off.

>>732817138
I get this but trust that the poor white man and poor black have far more in common then different.

But your hand wringing over race does a great job of the old 1-2 that keeps the existing power base in Washington there. The right screams brown people gonna take your jobs and steal your shit, the left gets to call you racists and enable the business owners hiring illegals. Convenient that neither has to address class inequality and the banksters can keep thier boot on the throat of the economy.

>>732804518
>Not understanding the man took a large risk with his wealth.
>Not understanding that he provides the work environment for the worker and that if the worker really wanted to, he could run his own company inspite of a company requiring upper end management, balance budgeting, marketing, and slow growth before prosperity
>Not understanding that not everyone is equally endowed with talents.
>Not realizing that most people start at the bottom and work their way up over their lives.
>Thinking equality is equal outcome and not an equal playing field.

INB4 it ISN'T an equal playing field lobbyists and blah blah blah.

Everyone knows that the millennials are a lost cause. They have no work ethic or drive. Want upfront reward. Underemployed and spoiled, whiny faggots who yell over top of their oppositions voices, then claim victory.

If you want to see a fascist, look in the mirror. Free market is freedom.

>>732817348
No, it shows that you are talking bullshit, and I find it ridiculous that somebody quite so blue pilled as you exists on 4chan. I can't cure this much retarded in one day, but I can at least try to help. There should be no tax on wealth and virtually no tax on income. religious institutions aren't open with the purpose of business, so to tax it like a business would be a disingenuous attempt at destroying the church,

Cops don't harass a disproportionate amount of niggers, niggers just cry about it more when it happens to them, and usually niggers deserve the polices attention, and cops don't harass anyone purely based on race; competitive schools would fix the education system, Illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed in the country at all, bankers go to jail all the time and get stiff sentences, and the war on drugs shouldn't be going on, but it's not oppressive.

Also, the right are attempting to preserve our countries and the left doesn't seem to give a fuck and seems to hate the white race. Your view of reality is incredibly distorted and simply doesn't have basis in fact. Also blacks are a hindrance to the white race and white countries.

>>732818146
Except for all the information economy jobs they have created.
Easy to deride the up coming generation then to implement solutions as to why wages in real terms have risen in 25 years. Why should someone making 9 an hour give a shit, it's a shit laughable wage. Your parents could make it straight outta high school to the middle class. That shit is over.

>>732818192
Glad I can piss you off. I have voted libertarian every election in my life. It doesn't amaze me that people have been so brainwashed into continually voting against thier best interests based on fear of change and outsiders.

And for the record I don't like blacks. But I choose freely to not associate with them and don't condone the system trying to create economic or physical segregation.

>>732818192
/thread you two losers are talking to yourselves. your country is already bought out regardless. Trump couldn't be more of a puppet to what's going on in the world.

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>>732801859
Genius.

>>732818192
>>732818753
Black people are great actually