what is the alternative?

guns

>>732710919
landmines

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>>732710919
100 Borg cubes, side by side

>>732711250
This.

>>732711250
if there's no wall you're going to go out and plant landmines on the border? unrealistic

>>732710919
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0lI8DuuH7o

To stop fucking worrying about it

Make Mexico great again.

Vagos y pendejos de su puta madre no quieren mejorar su pais y se largan a colmar la paciencia en otros.

>>732710919
Lego blocks. Mex lik to run barefoot

>>732710919
Doing absolutely nothing seems to have been working just fine.

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Breed them out. But only fuck the hot ones, some of them look like koala's

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>>732710919
wait for the gini index to equalize, soon enough you'll have Americans sneaking south across the border looking for work.

>>732713608

Even if income disparity equalized, the per capita income may still be higher in the US. Also poorer Mexicans live near the borders.

>>732714319
cartels can also manufacture drugs easily in mexico and make a huge profit selling them to the US, so there will be trouble at the border

Nothing because it's a waste of time and money.

legalize drugs

>>732710919
a latino holocaust

>>732710919

The understanding that the majority (around 80%) of illegals in the country enter from planes, hiding in cars (we have checkpoints already so...) or the pacific ocean/gulf of mexico.... and that a border wall will cost billions of dollars we don't have... and people will liken it to the Berlin Wall.... and that tunneling under it will be fairly easy (they already tunnel under, they actually build rail cars to more easily move people and narcotics) considering it won't be manned (more likely, and if it is manned it'll be even more expensive and it'll be a constant financial burden)... and the understanding than a 2000 mile 50 foot concrete wall can easily be knocked down/ and 51 foot ladders are easily produced. Also the majority of the border is along texas, and the majority of that border is either privately owned land (guess we can buy it, they won't expect much huh?) or a river that makes building anything near the border unstable/unsafe.

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>>732716316

Can't hear you, spending tax payer money

Legalize, Tax, and Regulate drugs
It's cost nothing to the tax payers, we'll get some of that good ol' moneys to support US imperialism. It's really a win win for everyone

>>732710919
Hire the very people who support the building of the wall to physically patrol the border. It will cost less, give those people something to do, and cause be easily undone with a change of administration.

>>732716709
can*

nuking the US so they will back the fuck off

>>732710919
Tunnels obviously

ARIBBBA VIVA MEXICO

Remember Trump is a traitor. So maybe rethink that wall once the new prez is in.

>>732710919
The wall builds us

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>>732710919
Annex Mexico. Make mexicans way less repulsive.

>>732716316
a sturdy wall of reinforced concrete panels is cheap and quick and it will stop mexicans from illegally crossing the border whenever they want, which is causing the major problems at the border

>>732710919

>USA builds wall
>It works, despite all the evidence it can't work
>Mexicans can't sell weapons and drugs to the USA
>The farmers and workers can't come to USA
>They start farming Mexican land
>They start building homes in Mexico
>Mexico starts making money, is able to invest in a military and well trained police
>More countries start traveling too and investing in Mexican land, a country with literally 5,800 miles of beach side property in a warm climate
>Agriculture turns most of Mexico green, the increased plant life provides cleaner breathing conditions
>With improved military and police force, drug cartels have less control over the country until they're more of a minor nuisance than a widespread problem, plus the improved economy removes the desperate need for drug money and smuggling
>Mexico becomes a rich well fed clean prosperous country of hard working people, amazing cuisine, beautiful beach side property, rich historical customs, an intelligent nation that's respected and emulated world wide

...meanwhile

>usa goes to shit because nobody is willing to pick vegetables or do hard work, not without getting "muh 15 dollars an hour plus benefits" and the work they do is half assed
>buildings get run down as cheap labor no longer exists
>Americans get even fatter and poorer due to no fruits or vegetables grown natively and god knows america isnt willing to spend more than 5 cents for a god damn carrot when you can get a twinky for the same price
>nobody can afford healthcare, so the morbidly obese diabetic murricans begin riding their rascals to the border wall desperately trying to sneak into mexico
>Mexicans take pity on USA and throw taco's across the border wall. The bodies pile up and rot, only adding to the fortification of the wall.

>>732718407

It's ok, I don't read posts I respond too either.

>>732710919
Heavily regulated and more overall strict immigration laws. More deportation for illegals.
Basically force them to prove they deserve to escape their shithole and come to our shitshow.

>>732718605
well said

>>732710919

annex mexico

>>732718605
this

>>732718605
you're saying the US doesn't know how to adjust? how the fuck was WW2 won? even after a depression...

>>732719114

Do you think American culture is the same as it was in the mid 40's?

America used to be amazing but now the working class is self entitled, they want to do less and get more, they dont respect the value of money because their government doesnt either.

Americans support building a fucking wall, for their peace of mind (and literally nothing else as the wall can NOT work) and they want someone else to build it and pay for it.

In the 40's an American would sacrifice for the greater good of his culture, now they want to sit in their air conditioned room blogging because they feel offended mcdonalds doesnt pay them 15 dollars an hour and their walmart job application doesnt list 38 flavors of gender"

America can change and we are NOT inherently bad people but please don't act like the WW2 generation of hard work and innovation is the same as today.

>>732713330
In reality this.

There's a reason Canadians aren't immigrating here en masse.

If Mexico had a vibrant economy then they wouldn't want to come here.

>>732718633
building the wall from concrete panels will be easy. then border patrol won't be stuck guarding the open border and they can catch people who are illegally crossing by with wall breaches and tunnels and other methods.

>>732713278
spotted the beaner

>>732720003

>Meanwhile that giant space of wall they "no longer have to guard" is knocked down with a sledge hammer or climbed over or tunneled under"

>>732716316
650 Billion in government. I'm sure they can spare a couple bucks. Right?

It pisses me off that people think it is legitimately our duty to make Mexico better. As if it is our fault Mexico sucks.

>>732719114
>how the fuck was WW2 won?
the Russian winter, mostly. Hitler expected to steamroll asia like he steamrolled western europe and it didn't work out. Russians were slowly retreating but they were burning everything they left behind so there was nothing for the Germans to resupply with. Hitler threw everything he had at the Eastern Front, which was both a problem for the supply chain and left western europe poorly defended. Russia was beating Hitler, we just kicked him while he was down.

remove benefits for undocumented pesos, they won't even want to come here anymore. It'll filter the few people who want to try to do something right (no clue why they wouldn't legally immigrate though) from the leeches.

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>>732720497

fucking this

Listen, I'm an American. Can we please stop acting like we had a huge hand in ending ww2 in Europe?

And we only won in Japan because fuck it let's nuke civilians, twice for good measure.

>>732720432
Whoops. Only around 600 Billion now.

>>732720689

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Sorry, I can't hear you over the facts.

>>732718605
brexit fag or eurotrash either way, don't project your shit county on the USA please

>>732720435
Gee, it's not like we indirectly created drugs cartels in latin america, and Jeff Session wants to put the drug war on hyperdrive

Thermonuclear war

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>>732719114
>>732720497

This

Russia killed way more Germans than the allies on the Western front.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II

>>732720663
With the backend aid the USA gave to the allies,it was the final push they needed to overcome.

>>732710919
A pulley system, but the crane is probably better tbh.

>>732720801
What's keeping track of those numbers?

>>732720663
>we only won in Japan because
Actually Japan was willing to cease-fire and armistice before the bombs were dropped, but we wouldn't accept anything less than total disarmament and American occupation of Japan, because we needed it as a forward base in east asia. The A-bombs were just overkill.

>>732720824

Citizen of the USA. Live in Texas.

>>732720931
body count isn't everything. when you share a border with the enemy, the numbers are definitely going to be higher.

Lol cousin fuckers

>>732721049
I'm so sick of hearing the whole, "Even the civilians in Japan would never have given up if we didn't drop those bombs!", rhetoric. It takes a real special kind of dumb to believe that level of propaganda and excuse

>>732721137
>barely a tenth of the number
>we contributed more because we were further away!
Anon, come on now

>>732721247

aw come on anon, you don't believe the school children and widows wouldnt of taken up arms, charged innocent soldiers with brooms and sticks?

We had to nuke them... twice. brooms are scary.

Enforcing existing laws, with no exceptions, would pretty much fix the problem. But not completely.

This requires new laws, that are enforced without exception.

Fine businesses $5,000/month per illegal worker and landlords $5,000/year per illegal tenant.

>>732721137

The point of war is to kill or capture enough of the enemy's soldiers and control enough of their land that they're no longer capable of conducting a war.

So it just seems like.... if you kill more of their soldiers. And capture more of their soldiers. And occupy more of their land and oil fields... you're kind of the main reason they surrendered.

Or are you trying to say that's cheating, because they're closer.... the USA was further away so their kills should count as double, possibly triple?

I'm sorry... that's maybe something that makes you feel better, but in absolutely no way is that meaningful or effective in war.

If there are 4 soldiers on a battlefield, two on each side, and one soldier shoots the leg of another, while the other soldier kills both enemy soldiers... who did the most? Or should we give the guy who injured the leg extra credit because he was standing further away?

>>732713608
Who tf uses a transparent background on a graph?

>>732721454
I've seen a lot of movies and they all seem to show America as the hero in that war, so...

>>732721853

I forgot to say that the wall is a useless ripoff.

It's nothing more than politicians profiting as they placate the populace. Happens all the time.

>>732720663
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both legitimate military targets which contributed to the war effort.

>>732721247
>>732721499
They would have fought hard as they did on every single island where Japanese civilians were located during the war. They would have committed mass suicide as they did in many places, most notable Saipan. That's not even taking into consideration the estimated Allied casualties, which alone are more than enough to justify the bombings. Furthermore, the firebombings killed more Japanese than the atomic bombings and I don't see anybody bitching and moaning about those.

>>732722138

Nothing justifies melting innocent men, women, and children to death. Let alone thousands.

You're a damn fool.

>>732721959
Not sure if the point of war is to capture soldiers or control enough of their land, like you say. The Cold War, for example. The point is to win, no matter who the agitator is. There are different ways of winning, and it's not necessary to send thousands to their deaths.That's why it's called "Strategy"

>>732722476

You're right, if North Korea went to war with the USA you wouldnt have an issue with them nuking noncombatants in the USA because "lel it's war, u do wut you gotta!"

And hey let's go back to chemical warfare as well. And internment camps weren't that bad either huh?

>>732722342
No one said life was meant to be fair, but I'll have to agree, knowingly condemning civilians to their deaths who were just going to buy milk for their kids at their local market was a pretty shitty move. But, there was a silver lining... now we know we shouldn't do that anymore. The whole world knows. eh....

>>732722476

I know it's impossible for you to practice empathy but watch this and pretend it's your family or friends, or even yourself. Then imagine meeting someone with your mindset telling you it was justified and you're being a big baby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-07xiaBl2vk

>>732722342
Sometimes war makes you do evil things to accomplish a greater good. Allied casualties would have been over 35,000 in a month, in three months it would have been over 150,000. Even the lowest estimations were calling for between 500,000 and 1,000,000 casualties on the Allied side alone when all was said in done. We minted so many Purple Hearts in preparation for this invasion that as of 2003 we still had 120,000.

>>732722342
You reap what you sow. In 1945, Japan reaped what they had sown.

Russians are bad-ass. I'll admit that any day. But let's not be faggots and act like they won the war, because they killed more people. That's just idiotic.

They killed more people because the Americans and their allies brought the fight to the enemy, kicked their ass so bad they ran like little bitches.. away, to an easier place.

Think about that. The Americans were fucking them up so bad, they felt running unprepared into barren ass frozen wasteland mother russia was a better place to be.

Which is exactly why the Russians had such high numbers. An unprepared, weak, terrified enemy was running (let's be honest, retreating) straight towards them like cock targets.. into foreign lands, lol.

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>>732710919
Rio Grande
>Upgrade
Rio Trenta

>>732710919
Wood?

>>732723224
That's not at all how the war went down.

>>732723071

An iraqi soldier comes into your house tonight and murders everyone in it.

The next day, on a blogpost, a canadian says "america started that war, they reap what they sow"

I'm presuming you're a civilian... that you did not serve in Iraq or the military at all, and that you're not a member of government who started the war, of course.

>>732723265
We dug through Panama why not do it again?

>>732723323

I know. The Russians didn't count enemy soldiers that froze to death as kills, either.

That has nothing to do with their "kill count".

> riiiiight

A big canal. More imports/exports. More profit. Unfortunately, it would cost too much

>>732710919
Enforce CURRENT immigration laws. Fine employers the current $10K per violation. No jobs, no illegals.

>>732722996
The difference would be soldiers killed, not civilians. It's a bad comparison

>>732723341
>What is a false equivalence

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>>732723265

>>732723617

>an enemy soldier killing a civilian isnt at all like an enemy soldier killing a civilian

Oh, ok. That's called cognitive dissonance by the way.

>>732722973
You'd rather have Hilter's regime play a dominant role in today's world? No one said life was supposed to be fair. It absolutely wasn't fair to the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or their children who still suffer from what happened that day. It was for the greater good, though... And no matter how it turned out, of course the ones who dropped the bomb, (the ones who designed the first gun in order to beat the guys with a bow and arrow) are going to be the bad guys. Hindsight is 20/20 and when a nuclear bomb was sought after, I'd rather it have been in the hands of Americans than Germany's at that time.

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>>732720663
>>732721049
>>732721247
>>732721499
>>732722342
>>732723341
>>732723534

>>732710919

nuclear bomb

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>>732723754
Brilliant

>>732723884
Your idiotic comparison doesn't hold water because hostilities are over in Iraq not ongoing, and because we didn't go to Iraq specifically to kill citizens like the Iraqi in your poorly thought out example. And furthermore, the point of the bombs wasn't to kill civilians. It was to eliminate two cities that both contributed to the war effort, while shocking the Japanese with the existence of the weapon that would encourage them to lay down their arms in unconditional surrender. Civilians were an acceptable casualty.

>>732710919
Network of sensors, cameras.
Combine this with automatic deportation to mexico's Southern Border with Guatemala on the beach. Drop flyers from airplanes explaining this in pictographs to the Mexican people.

You can start chipping illegals while under general anesthetic and scanning shoppers, workers, and entire cars in Garland and Dallas Texas, Phoenix, all of the western states for unregistered Pet ID tags. They can be spayed and neutered which will put the fear of their god, Jesus, into them.

Old school technology used by a first world country to repel invasion by a third world nation doesn't work. You need high tech solutions to maximize effect and save money.

PetID, Spay and Neuter, invisible fence.

there is no possible alternative
the wall must be built

>>732710919
Free healthcare and free college.

>>732724515
fuck off, bernie

Make it a felony to hire people illegally.

Oh, yeah, that puts the ball in whitey's court so that would never happen.

Let's instead build a trillion dollar wall that will accomplish literally nothing.

>>732724546
Loser. Go back to North Korea you bum.

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>>732710919
Mexico maintaining control of their side of the border like a good neighbor.

As much as I want the Wall built, having immigration laws fully enforced for the first time in my life has been a godsend!

>>732724475
Not True
DIG A WALL!
RIO TRENTA 2020!
>>732724030
>>732723754
>>732723265

>>732716664
Wait so you're actually in favor of spending tax payer money on this garbage? What happened to making beaners pay

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>>732724744
We got this.

>>732724707
>Mexico maintaining control
You mean the cartel?