Why didn't they fly the eagles to Mount Doom?

>>732505237
because gandalf is a fag

They're dicks who don't care about the struggles on men.

The world may never know. Most likely for plot convenience

Flying was the original plan, this is obvious when Gandalf is taken by the Balrog and says "Fly you fools."
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Didn't Gandalf only have a limited number of eagle rides?
And he wasted one on himself escaping from Saruman.

>>732505237
Gwahir isn't strong enough to fly into Mordor alone with his eagles, with the Eye of Dayton looking he would have killed them that's why they had to amass an army so that Sauron the general had to order his army to fight In a certain way or utter death would befall any warrior. Thusz the distraction was set, no Nazguls around to kill the birds out of the sky. That's why they flew in after and picked them up.

>>732505539
Eye of Sauron*

>>732505237
Ever hear of archers?

>>732505237

The eagles couldn't be near the ring.

They could only come at the end after it was destroyed.

>>732505237
because cooldown and mana usage

>>732505495

No you're thinking of the professors three wishes from Pazuzu

>>732505237

because they had to get home to catch the all new Bluegrass Underground on PBS.

>>732505791
No, I definitely remember a line of dialogue in the book about how the eagles owed him a favor.

>>732505733
Arnt they Angels like gandalf?

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>>732505601

I dunno, Dayton's pretty scary.

>>732506099
It's in there. I remember as well.

>>732505237
If I remember correctly its later rectified in the hobbit movies by mentioning
Sauron has some pretty good AA with his flying nazghul or something

Eagles are the flying honey-badgers. If it weren't for that one night bender, they'd of told Gandalf where to go fuck himself.

>>732505237
cause then there'd be no plot

>fuck deus ex machina

>>732506141

Gandalf couldn't even touch the ring, he kept in in that envelope cause if he touched it he's become an evil god.

The eagles weren't as resistant as him, they'd become evil just being near it.

>>732506860

Gandalf: Hey eagle, how 'bout you drop The One Ring in Mount Doom?

Eagle: How 'bout you go fuck yourself.

>>732506327

oh god those hobbit movies were a fucking chore to sit through...

20 minuet fucking barrel amusement park water ride, and orcs out in full daylight... what a fucking joke those movies were.

>>732507120

well they came anyway, what difference does it make?

>>732505449
You can't /thread for your own post you fucking newfag

Because one does not simply walk into mordor.

Because of the eye of Sauron .

If they would have flown in on Eagles he would have seen the eagles and sent Dragons with the 9 ring wraiths riding them and wipe out the eagles .

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>>732507145

The goblin king looked like a ballsack.

>>732505237

Because Tolkien didn't think of it.

Saurons dragons would have stopped them when they got close

>>732505237
The Nazgul would have fucked their shit right up with their winged terrors. Not to mention that the only reason the Eagle's helped out Gandalf in the first place was because he saved their leader after he was downed by a hunter's arrow way back in the dizzay.They aren't like some fucking foo foo lame ass horses who have to do whatever the fuck humans say.

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>>732507316
Still fewer plot holes than Star Wars.

>>732507564

agreed

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>>732507120
are eagles really like this?

>>732505449
pls be b8

>>732507183
how bout you go fuck yourself

>>732505237
how come gandalf didnt ask bilbo to show him the ring way back in the hobbit when he found out that bilbo had got one in the mountain? he knew there were only a few magic rings and he didnt even press the issue

>>732505237
Because 9 Nazguls on Fellbeasts isn't fun.

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>>732507216
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Alright faggots, looks like nobody here has read The Silmarillion, so time for some Eagles history:

The Eagles perform things at the behest of Valar Manwe, and for a time also at the behest of the Elven King Turgon. Apart from that, the Eagles don't do shit. They're not supposed to interfere, unless by the will of a being like Manwe; and therefore, by the will of a being like Eru.

The Eagles residing in Middle Earth, lead by Gwaihir, almost don't even intervene in The Hobbit. They only save Gandalf, Bilbo and the Dwarves because they hate Orcs more than they hate every other living thing. Furthermore, Gwaihir owes Gandalf a few favours for the time Gandalf saved his life after he was nearly felled by a mere poisoned arrow show by a mere Orc. That scene where an Eagle saves Gandalf from the top of Orthanc? The movie changed it; it actually just happens to be that Gwaihir was "passing by" on a scouting mission, saw Gandalf, and did him a solid. But he drops him off not far from Isengard and Gandalf gets a horse.

Same goes for the Eagles appearing to collect Frodo and Sam, after fighting the Nazgul's dragons; it only happens because it's relatively safe for them to do so, since Mordor's armies had emptied into the foreground at the gates (and were also setback by a blow in the Pelennor Fields). Otherwise they wouldn't have intervened, because they're actually not as strong as one would think. If they were to fly over Mordor while occupied, surely they would die.

Furthermore, how the fuck is an Eagle meant to carry a ring, let alone drop it into a volcano after trickily avoiding death in the skies above Mordor? They're literally enormous, like dragons, and so aren't very subtle. They didn't even offer Frodo a lift to Mordor, because a) again, not subtle; and b) "many spies have many eyes" - they would've been seen a mile away. That was the whole point behind having a small band go largely unnoticed into Mordor by stealth.

>>732505449

Clearly bait, but for anyone stupid enough to think this is what Gandalf meant, it's "fly" as in "fight or flight". Gandalf isn't trying to send a cryptic message to use the Eagles; he would've just done that from the start, since he lead the Fellowship until his death.

Whoever started this bullshit theory needs a smack in the face from Christopher Tolkien; or if JRR himself was alive he could do it instead.

>>732507767
Because Bilbo kept it secret until his party.

>>732507066

That's not true. Sure, it would wield a great power within him (he is the same "thing" as Sauron is; as is Saruman), but he can wield it. The whole point is that the ring only "answers" to Sauron, since he made it and it contains his own "essence", for lack of a better word.

Gandalf actually guards one of the Elvish rings of power the whole time anyway. He's not so easily corruptible. Cirdan the Shipwright gave the ring of fire to him long ago for safekeeping.

Erica heeft een sleutel. Therapie dan maar.

>>732507767

The end of The Hobbit films and book aren't the same. And in LotR, when Gandalf gets suspicious about Bilbo's ring, it takes him a decade or so to "research" and know for sure that it is, in fact, Sauron's ring. He doesn't actually know about the One Ring or that it is that specific ring for quite some time.

>>732508217
Thank you, good to see somebody who actually read the fucking books and didnt just make shit up from guesses from movie information.

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>>732505237
because the witch-king of angmar would have killed them and skull fucked frodo

>>732508649
It IS true though. You just explained why - if Gandalf touched the ring it would corrupt him, not because of how powerful Gandalf is, but because Sauron IS the Ring. The ring corrupts by taking advantage of your aspirations - hence why hobits could wield it with relative ease compared to even the most powerful of elves. Hobits don't aspire to be anything, they have very little motivation, and are basically the laziest species in Middle Earth capable of performing fellatio.

Gandalf aspires to save the world, and is an angel-like higher being more powerful than even the Balrogs. The ring would poison Gandalf's mind, tempting him to try and use his insane powers more proactively, eventually turning him into a dark wizard like Sauruman.

>>732508982

I'm a disgusting Tolkien fan and maybe go a little autismo when it comes to this stuff, but this whole shit about the Eagles and what they're capable/incapable of all seemed to sprout up after the movies. And it's all because Jackson failed to explain it on-screen.

I mean, I personally think it's pretty obvious why the Eagles can't contribute as much as one would think they could (and to be fair Tolkien even skims over it, but it's still enough to understand why), but Jackson could've at the very least had a dialogue in the Council of Elrond scene to explain the whole thing. A simple sentence following a question about using the Eagles would've sufficied; "No [insert character], I'm afraid asking the Eagles would reveal our quest; and they probably wouldn't aide us anyway."

But because this didn't happen, here we are having this thread.

>>732509590
>I'm a disgusting Tolkien fan and maybe go a little autismo when it comes to this stuff
Me too mate. Feels good to walk into a thread and some other autist has already said what I came to say though.

>>732509679
Oh, if you want to go super autismo, give the ring to Tom Bombadil.

>>732510308
That one's easy. Tom Bombadil couldn't be trusted with it because he gives so few fucks that he'd probably lose it.

>>732505449
lol, I've talked to people who actually believed this

>>732509487

He's not more powerful than the Balrogs. The Balrogs are the same being as he is; as is every Istari, and Sauron too. They just vary in skill, and some are "blessed" by other sources. Sauron himself is insanely strong for example, but the Ring made him stronger and gave him access to a new set of powers he'd not had before (he was able to see the thoughts of other ring-bearers; it was more tactical than anything). And he has an endless army of Orcs and other ancient evils. It's never explicitly stated that in a 1v1 between him and any other Istari or Balrog he would necessarily win; it's just implied because he's their overlord. Even Sauron has (had) a boss though: Melkor, later called Morgoth by the Elves. And Melkor was wounded by Fingolfin, a mere Elf. Power is not so black-and-white in Tolkien's universe.

The Ring might corrupt Gandalf, but he doesn't have to touch it. Again, it's never explicitly stated. The Ring corrupts Boromir and he never touches it. Sure, they're hardly comparable, but Gandalf's fear of the Ring doesn't mean he can't quite literally touch the thing. He's far more resilient than that. Different races and beings show different responses to the Rings of Power: Elves saw they were being duped as soon as Sauron equipped his; Dwarves were hard to sway and it just created a lust for wealth in them; Men were easy to corrupt; Hobbits are surprisingly resilient, but it has nothing to do with "aspirations"; and as of the Ainur, it's never known what would happen to them, but definitely not instant corruption. If anyone is likely to be able to wield it as intended, it's them because they're either as strong or stronger than Sauron (depending on their sitting within the Ainur).

And then there's Tom Bombadil, who is completely immune to the Ring.

I understand where you're coming from, but it's far more complicated than just "this ring is AIDS and some people are more likely to get AIDS, whereas others get HIV first".

>>732507667
According to Silmarillion, worse.

>>732507667
they're huge dicks, even more than the elves

>>732505237
Because Aragorn, Gimli, Legolas, and the hobbitses arent fucking wizards and cant speak to random butterflies and make the butterfly hunt down and request aid from eagles for the fellowship

>>732510927
The elves aren't really dicks, they just kind of feel bitter-sweet about stopping Sauron, because the 3 Elven rings extend their powers and allow them the strength to preserve their fantastical kingdoms. The destruction of the rings of power basically signals the inevitable death of magic in Middle Earth.