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Is having daughters the ultimate cuckoldry? I cannot think or

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Is having daughters the ultimate cuckoldry?

I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than having a daughter. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are feeding, clothing, raising and rearing a girl for at least 18 years solely so she can go and get ravaged by another man. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little girl - reading her stories at bedtime, making her go to sports practice, making sure she had a healthy diet, educating her, playing with her. All of it has one simple result: her body is more enjoyable for the men that will eventually fuck her in every hole.

Raised the perfect girl? Great. Who benefits? If you're lucky, a random man who had nothing to do with the way she grew up, who marries her. He gets to fuck her tight pussy every night. He gets the benefits of her kind and sweet personality that came from the way you raised her.

As a man who has a daugher you are LITERALLY dedicating at least 20 years of your life simply to raise a girl for another man to enjoy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck. Think about it logically /b/.
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that's actually a solid point, anon.
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Kill yourself
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>>732472011
I second this
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Think harder.

Your daughter carries your genetic material. The guy who fucks her knocks her up and she has a kid. That kid also carries you genetic material, and odds are that guy is now looking after your genetic material because the kid shares his as well.
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>>732471869

no
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>>732471869
>t. china
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Not if you fuck your daughter 1st.
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so dads want to see their daughters fucked?
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>>732472180
This
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Op: now think about this rationally: This viewpoint is typical for islam.
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>>732471869
So you raise her to be comfortable with incest and bang the fuck out of her.
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>>732472150
Exactly. Now, if you raised your *son* to be ravaged by another man, then that is a different story.
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>>732471981
agree
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This is a copypasta you newfags
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>>732472462
This is a copypasta you newfag.
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>>732472336
Maybe Islam has a few things right that we don't?
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>>732471869
wowsers!!

i have taken the liberty to think one step further OP?
forget kids
why marry in the first place?

i mean whats the point?
dedicate your energy and resources to a random person, in return for sex

technology has advanced enough, that we can sexually satisfy ourselves--i just masturbate to internet porn
its cheap and hassle free--all that time and money left, i use it on myself, i live a heck of a life

i am on top of the world boyo-i do what i want, when i want--

although i work an average paying job,
i am financially secure because i only have to take care of myself


also song for thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b07klH4VTVk
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Sounds like an investment that you invested into and the bank takes it all. They roll around in it, smell it, rubs their dick all over it, and you get to just sit there and there is nothing you can do about it. Im sad now
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>>732471869
Get another wife once it happens if it does borther you.
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>>732472567


yes,, besides population is going through the roof--

we have reached the carrying capacity of the world, there aren't enough resources to support so many of us---so just stop making babies, live a happy life alone, don't interfere in other people's lives---
i think i just created world peace
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>>732472567
that song of yours---i want more of it anon, whats the genre.?
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>not fucking your daughter
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>>732471869
Stupid cunt (and no, I don't have a daughter)
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It's not terrible if you have two daughters and they make out with each other eventually.
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>>732471869
Wasn't this garbage cribbed from a Reddit post?
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>>732472180
solid.
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>>732472011
>>732472100
>double dubs
it must be done, op
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>>732471869
Holy shit, that actually makes sense.
Is it morally correct to choose the husband for my daughter?
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>>732473260
i don't know the genre--i think its indie bedroom pop, lo-fi, type of shit

just subscribe to the channel "lazylazyme" , she uploads a shit ton of these songs
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>>732471869
pic sauce?
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98% of you losers won't ever have to worry about such things, so why worry about it?
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that is why i will never have kids.

and not only do i not like women...i don't like men.

go figure
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>>732472567
being a loner, i take comfort in your philosophies, and agree with them

being in a relationship is so overrated and over-romanticized by hollywood, and mainstream
--that you start feeling bad for being a loner type, you are seen as a freak, as an outcast--
fuck the people, i am happy alone, i will continue to live like this--i have no interest in being surrounded by people or even a person 24/7

i'd much rather enjoy a solitary sunday, doing shit i enjoy--listening to music, 420 blazing it, taking walks around parks

thanks anon
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>>732473790
Its certainly not because of being kryptonite to women or anything, I'm sure.
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>>732473790
Misanthrope garbage.

Hates humanity. Does it freak you out when people abuse dogs, cats, horses?
If so you are literally worthless and have betrayed your species and yourself.

go die
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>>732471869
Stop being fucking retarded OP. It's up to her how and when she wants to be "ravaged" and she has her own life to live. Real life != porn
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>>732472567
>>732473849
you two are the only non-autistic people ITT
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>>732471869
Only a cuck would think parenting is cuckoldry

kys my man
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>>732471869
All of this only applies if you want to fuck your own daughter.
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>>732472011
>>732472172
>>732473307
Triggered
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>>732474085
the world is plagued by over-population

poverty, crime, etc. would be at an all time low, if we reduced the population, even if by only 10 percent---support your views with logic

you are the real cuck here--blinded by emotions

p.s. i hope your kid gets cancer
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>>732471869
More of these girls faggot who cares!?! So if i fuck but dont raise my kids im not a cuck?
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>>732474453
apparently, you do care--thats why you replied, you god damn retard
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>>732471869
Yes, because the purpose of human males is to fuck their daughters and not let them spread his genetics far and wide.
I know /b/ is stupid, but not understanding the true meaning of life is a bit below you.
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>>732471869
Only if you're a degenerate who's only goal to have a daughter or any kid of that matter is to have intercourse with them. Otherwise this is some grade A mental gymnastics.This is the same kind of mental gymnastics that makes sjws call people racist and fascist over mundane things. It's over exaggeration. You have to have zero reasoning skills to equate parenting to cuckoldry in the first place. Anyone agreeing is easily manipulated. Then again this is /b/.
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>>732474911
>he thinks he knows the true meaning of life
Kill yourself.
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>>732473307
Fucking Chinese
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>>732472150
You're only half-related to your child, since half of the genetic material comes from the other parent. You're only 1/4th related to your grandchildren, and 1/8th related to great-grandchildren. This is assuming that parents aren't closely-related. You'd be more related to your child if you're related to the other parent (e.g., second cousins).
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>>732471869
Your kids are a part of you though.
Like little half clones.
It's your own dna you dipshit.

Your childs success is your success
Your childs pleasure is your pleasure
Your childs pain is your pain

She's not just "a girl" she's YOU. You are literally linked with that person on a biological level.
And you got her as a result of fucking a woman.

it's also sort of cool because raising a healthy child with garner you positive social status. You will be praised and respected for what is essentially taking care of yourself.

The majority of posts in this thread will be coming from losers who have never even kissed a woman let alone married and had children. They will agree with you that having children is bad because it's something they can't have and must reject to feel better about themselves.
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>>732474313
>>732474313
Only niggers, sandniggers and spics breed like rabbits when they can't even afford to support one child. It's bad parenting and lack of parenting in general that leads to most problems of the world.
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>>732472567
>>732473184
you guys never cease to amaze me. This is just so sad to see someone convince themselves that they want to be alone...
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shit copypasta
who cares just fuck their friends faggot
ignore post kikes
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>>732471869
Having a daughter would be rough. But I'm no cuck. I would be up in that bitches guts from the time she's 8 until she gets old enough for me to lose interest or I go to jail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaNRhtip6S4
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>>732472567
I really really really like this song
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>>732475033
Please, enlightened me then. I must know why someone would think that reproduction isn't the true meaning of life.
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>>732475507
Life doesn't have a meaning, you dipshit. Nothing that happens matters outside of what it means to you.
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>>732475244
Don't worry, anon. They are perman virgins in the first place that's why they have to retort to excuses that aren't even accurate as a form of damage control and compensation.
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>>732471869
And you get to pay for the wedding too!
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>>732474619
I want more of the pic you mormon faggot.
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>>732475244
Humans are different so of course in the basket there will be some that like being alone
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>>732475610
>nihilist
Typical teen angst. Nihilism is a baby's first philosophy. Once you grow and get a reality check you will look back at how clingy you are. That's of course if the crippling depression caused by your pathetic mindset doesn't make you kill yourself beforehand.
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>>732474207
/thread
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>>732475244
why the fuck do u care?

are my actions harming you?
whether i live alone, or with someone what impact will it have on your own life?

so, yes i am justifying being alone is good, just like you're trying to justify how being married and having kids is a good life

we're all trying to justify our own philosophies,
just because your philosophy for life is more popular and widely accepted doesn;t mean its right

in fact, there is no right philosophy for life--live alone, live with a girlfriend, live with wife, live however you want to, as long as your actions aren't harming any other person, who gives a flying fuck?
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>>732475895
>being this much of a pseud
Whatever makes you less scared of the hard truth that nothing fucking matters.
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>>732475153
You're right! We should all be related like in the glorious South. Then no more DNA cucking.
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>>732474207
This. Using OPs theory you're a cuck if you also let some guy fuck your mom or even your sister.
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>>732476146
The hard truth is that you will live a miserable life and so will the other degenerates that follow your mindset.
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i'm hard now

can we make this a general cuckold thread
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>>732475895
nihilism soon turns to hedonism if you get rich

otherwise, its a constant battle of trying to convince yourself why life isn't really meaningless, why you shouldn;t kill yourself, and why its important to work, why its important to be a good person and fit in society

so from a nihilist, you either become a hedonist


or a conformer trying to convince yourself that your job is worthwhile
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>>732471869
that's why you should man the fuck up and make daughters for your personal use only.
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>>732476349
>anyone who doesn't share my mindset is a degenerate
Typical narcissist who thinks he's more intelligent and enlightened than anyone else. How's your degree in philosophy treating you, you brain dead cuck?
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>>732471869
>Cuckold - the husband of an adulteress, often regarded as an object of derision

My daughter is not my wife and I don't want to fuck her. Try harder you massive faggott
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>>732471869
Cute cute! More cutey slav girls!
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>>732472567
Welcome to extinction. Your particular branch of an unbroken chain of reproduction and survival stretching back 3.6 billion years ends with you because you are a selfish little pick.
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>>732472399
holy shit it all makes sense now. god hates fags because he mourns over the poor cucked fathers. it truly is love
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>>732476423
It's funny how you leaped from nihilism to jobs as if they're a negative thing. Hedonism is pathetic and yes it is true that nihilism ends up going there because without any self respect and moral grounds, degeneration and desperation makes people desperate to fill that missing gap. And that's why it's such a pathetic lifestyle. It's to compensate their lack of balance. Most end up being narcissists.
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>>732476879
>Your particular branch of an unbroken chain of reproduction and survival stretching back 3.6 billion years ends with you
Who the fuck cares? If this bothers you you're a fucking faggot.
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>>732471869
Don't forget, by Western tradition, father pays for the wedding.

But seriously what retarded logic. I'm not a feminist, but you're raising a person who will pass your genetics on to the next generation.

I want my grand child to be colonizing mars. Inbreeding won't produce spacefaring descendants.
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>>732471869
Yes, but u can do something about it

STEP 1: Marry a single mom with a little daughter

STEPT 2: Have ur own kid with your new
wife

STEP 3: Ecourage Electra complex in ur "daughter" make her love you be kind and sweet, RAISE HER TO BE YOUR PERFECT WOMAN

STEP 4: Wait until your "daughter" reach 18 years old

STEP 5: divirce ur wife

Step 6: Marry your "daughter"

I learn that from princess maker 2
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>>732476936
There is literally no fedora image worthy of the autism that you're continually spouting.
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>>732473849
You are a freak and an outcast. The point of life is to mate and continue your genetic lineage. But, hey, enjoy your Sunday as you slouch along toward extinction.
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what if like, women are actually like people and have their own lives and feelings and shit though
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>>732477090
>The point of life
Where do you get off on being so stuck up your own ass that you feel the need to go around preaching to people on an anonymous imageboard about the meaning of life?
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>>732475208
Doesn't matter if they can support them or not as long as the kids grow up and have their own kids.
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>>732476641
Only nihilists end up being narcissistic. And who the hell needs philosophy class for common sense? This a repeating scenario. You're still stuck in your teen angst, kiddo. I'm actually being generous to show you that your mindset is dangerous so can maybe sort yourself out before you end up killing yourself.
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>>732471869
>>732476399
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>>732475153
>1/4th
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>>732471869
>t. Childless virgin
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>>732477264
>Only nihilists end up being narcissistic.
You must be one hell of a nihilist then.

>And who the hell needs philosophy class for common sense?
Are you honestly so self-assured and egotistical that you think insisting that you know the meaning of life is common sense?

>kiddo
Get new insults, this is tired.

> I'm actually being generous to show you that your mindset is dangerous so can maybe sort yourself out before you end up killing yourself.
It wouldn't matter if I killed myself, to you or anyone else in this thread. Instead of trying to shove your beliefs down everyone's throat and being condescending when they don't agree, you should probably learn to check your ego at the door and let people exist the way they want to.
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>>732471869
our non-cuck hero.
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>>732477034
The only fedoralords are nihilists and atheists who are too arrogant to accept that their viewpoints has some serious obvious cons.
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>>732474024
>can't hold a healthy relationship with a female
>not autistic
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>>732471869
Pathetic virgin thinking, and not realizing that to even HAVE a daughter, he cannot be a virgin.

KYS.
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>>732477493
>talks about other people being arrogant
You can't make this shit up. Also the only con of being an atheist is if you act like a twat and pretend it makes you smarter than anyone else.
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more pics of these girls?
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>>732477445
>Are you honestly so self-assured and egotistical that you think insisting that you know the meaning of life is common sense?
Yes it is common sense. Do you actually go to philosophy class in order to sit and reevaluate yourself?

>It wouldn't matter if I killed myself, to you or anyone else in this thread. Instead of trying to shove your beliefs down everyone's throat and being condescending when they don't agree, you should probably learn to check your ego at the door and let people exist the way they want to.

That's funny considering nihilism is the most condescending philosophy. People have the rights to believe whatever, I also have the right to warn them of nihilism's obvious flaws.
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>>732471869
If your primary concern about having an offspring is it might be a girl and individual circumstances may result in her being a slut it means you probably shouldnt be having kids.
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>>732475244
>alone
there's a difference between not marrying and being a lone
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Yeah, and that's an extremely important thing. How else would the human race continue?

Also take into account she could grow up to be a doctor or something and therefore contribute to society.

You could say the same thing about boys. You're raising them to ultimately just fuck women in every hole.

Tl;dr: There was no point to Op's post
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>>732477646
Atheist here. This troll or psycho has nothing to do with atheism.

May I remind you of Lot: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19&version=NCV

"So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father"
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>>732475178
This is the most logical reply in this thread.
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>>732477959
This has nothing to do with philosophy or philosophy class anymore and everything to do with you being so stuck up your own pretentious ass that you think you've solved the meaning of life and look down on anyone who doesn't share your sentiment.

You're the most pathetic person in this thread.
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>>732477029
>I learn that from princess maker 2
how many parts are there? are they good, and were to download?
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>>732471869
>NOT FUCKING THEM
2017
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>>732473184
the problem is that we need young people in the world to kind of keep the world going, ya know?

so if everyone stopped having kids, then there'd eventually be a shit ton old people (us), and very few young people to keep producing things that we need.

also it would suck for our retirement. when we cash out our retirement funds, where is the money going to come from, when there are currently very few young people, working and paying into retirement funds?
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>>732477359
what the fuck does t. mean
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>>732478110
I'm confused why you somehow think I'm talking about the meaning of life. I'm just stating the flaws of nihilism. It's mostly nihilists that think that way. Their entire eureka moment is that life has no meaning. That's their end goal. That's what's truly pathetic.
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>>732478353
regards
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>>732478093
>Immediately brings up bible verses and assumes the poster is a christian

This is really how pathetic atheism is.
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>>732477646
There's very many cons to being an atheist. It's a gateway to nihilism for once.
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>>732478604
Kek, or Jew or Muslim. Old testament.

I guess he could be hindu, jainist, or a buddhist, but literally it's over a 50% chance of being right (picking a random person across the globe).
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>>732473849
You fucking basement dwelling autist. When have you ever gotten your fat lonely ass out of you house to waddle around a park. Kys
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>>732476879
>Implying I don't have 4 siblings to carry on my parents lineage

And why should I care, I'm not gonna be around in 65 years. Everyone I know all wants to have kids, there isn't going to be a shortage of humans for a very long time.
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>>732478895
Why are you so stuck to assuming the opposition is religious? This is the power of atheism, folks. Being hardwired to bring religion when it isn't even in the topic just really shows.
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>>732479193
Someone made the implication that this perversion had to do with a lack of religion.

I gave an example in the Torah, a book worshipped by Islam, Christians, and Jews that give an example of a dude who talks DIRECTLY to god impregnating not one, but both daughters.

The whole thing is disgusting and I agree, it has nothing to do with modern religion, but don't pin this shit on atheism either.
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>>732471869
easy solution: raise vengeful beastly whores and try to spend no money or effort whilst doing so
TL;DR the one thing niggers instinctively do right
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You are wrong. Raising Step-daughters is the Ultimate Cuck move. Not your blood - you feed them - Then they blow their BF on the couch you paid for. Dealing with this now.
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>>732479408
Why would you bring old world scriptures written by old world people to the topic instead of modern talking points. That isn't even the point. The point is, you're acting so defensive like Trump or Hillary fans would immediately bring the other when their heroes get attacked.
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>>732471869
>the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck

Kek'd
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>>732479638
No, just pointing out ignorance. I agree with you though, that the bible and the torah is a stupid thing to take advice from in the modern world. It's absolutely stupid but people still have bible studies haha
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>>732471869

This is so cringey it gave me autism
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>>732479865
Don't be so black and white. No one actually goes by the radical parts in the bible in the modern age, not even christains. I would argue that muslims however are still stuck in the old world since they still throw gays out of buildings and stone people to death.
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Why do some of you guys feel like your daughter having a sex with her bf would be different from your son having sex with his gf? In the end it's the exact same thing
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>>732478109
it is not logical at all, it is just a moral rule implanted in our society and supported by a bunch of "beautiful thoughts"

>it's also sort of cool because raising a healthy child with garner you positive social status. You will be praised and respected..

most male mammals don't give a fuck if they live enough to impregnate their own daughters
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>>732472399
I can't remember the last time I laughed so hard on /b/
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>>732480202
You see the humor of saying a book is the word of god, but then picking and choosing passages right? You can't call parts of the bible radical and still say you adhere to it. It literally is black and white. If I believe the Koran, for eaxmple, was indeed the word of god, I would follow it to a tee.

I studied the bible to better understand medieval literature at my university but other than that, the bible should be looked at as a relic (I was a science student, but I went to a good school)

Good luck to you man. I'm done.
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>>732476879

As long as your parents have one other child then your particular chain is unique to only you and you don't owe it to anyone else to continue it.

The people further up the chain are part of a whole lot more chains than just yours.
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>>732480644
The thing is you think people don't have common sense if they somehow use the bible. If all you got from it was the radical points. You're either being ingenious or hate it so much. It's a tool like everything else. Perrenialism exists.
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>>732480247
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>>732474242
ironic
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>>732479151
The white american reproduction numbers are below Japans. They say Japan is going the way of the dodo in a ridiculously short amount of time if they don't fucking. The difference is that it will become a national emergency in Japan, and they'll make baby farms. In america it's not a shortage of people, because niggers and brownies are fucking like rabits and white women fucking other races is glorified while while women fucking white men is called rape under any circumstances.

Pretty much if white guys don't start having more kids with white girls the white american race will be on the verge of extinction before you die, bitch.

You're not hearing about this anywhere though, it's a big deal that Japanese people aren't going to be around and there were a lot of news stories about it. But non-mixed white children are being born less often than Japanese kids and we hear nothing.
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>replying to copypasta
newfags everywhere
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The jeews are at it again I see.
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>>732478373
>"That's their end goal"
>Implying Nihilism has an agenda
>Implying you aren't a undergrad twat

See
>>732478110
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>>732475445
8? Too late you need her to know what you're doing is something only between her and daddy like 5 introduce her and at 6 she'll be good to go
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>>732475610
>Not understanding biology
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>>732471869
More of these girls
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>>732471869
having daughters is one thing and one thing only... a gigantic challenge to resist doing the obvious.
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>>732472180
Good point
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daughters used to be sold, they used to have value

but op is right, daughters have no value
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>>732471869
Copypasta
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I am in mortal fear of having a disabled child.
is there any way to know if its going to be malformed and still US legally abort it? My wife is a twin so I know corrupted genes lie in her family. Any safe ways to kill it once it comes out? I'm only having one kid, and its damn well isnt going to be a fuck up. wife feels the same way, albeit a little less zealously. I am willing to get blood on my hands
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>>732471869
No

Being a fag is the ultimate cuckoldry

You basically say every other woman in the world is for other men to fuck... Not op
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>>732481929
I'm a white male and I don't give a fuck.
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>>732481929
>they'll make baby farms
what for?
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>>732471869
Or you raise your daughter to be a kind, thoughtful, happy person that goes out into the world ad makes it a better place, and you dont sit around worrying about who and how she fucks.
>>
can't cuck the zuck
>>
tldr: rape and kill.
>>
>>732477470
>>732477470
Context?
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>>732484497
are you 11yo?
>>
the most stale of pasta....
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>>732471869
>He gets to fuck her tight pussy every night
Ok
>>
>>732472306
Yes, white fathers dream of their daughters fucking bbc
>>
>>732481929
You got some numbers to back that up? Like I said, everyone I know wants to have kids, and they are all white Americans. Five couples I know are expecting children(one incuding my parents), and they all figured out they were pregnant within 6 weeks.

The white birthing rate may not be as high as other ethnicities, but I doubt its low.
>>
>>732484994
Who is it?
>>
>>732471869
You just removed my will to ever get children.
>>
Having kids or not what is the point of getting married? Save the money you would have used for
the reception and ceremony and buy a house or a car with a big honeymoon vacation.
>>
>>732483770
This

Fags only have 2 holes to fuck. They're cucked compared to straight males who have 3 holes to fuck. But they're both eternally cucked to bisexuals who have 5 holes to fuck. But wait, there's more, pansexuals cuck every sexuality known in 3 dimensional space.

Fags BTFO
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>>732486407
good job
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>>732471869
I recognize that chamber. Its from gattaca
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>>732471869
good point, thats why Ill raise my daughter to be a lesbian
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>>732472180
Humbert Humbert?
>>
>>732471869
Or raise someone who'll love you utterly and completely and will do whatever it takes to please her Daddy.

Now if that isn't alpha, what is?
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>>732488042
He didn't fuck his daughter though.
>>
>>732471869
Kill yourself, mate.
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>>732471869
Having daughters is ultimate patricianhood

Having son is getting cucked, obviously. who else is going to fuck the mother?
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>>732476560
shut it squib, you're right, but shut it
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>>732489495
>shut it squib
>>
9999 get
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>>732472180
/thread
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>>732472538
Kek
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>>732472679
Jews do this with our money everyday. Hitler was right.
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>>732489992
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>>732471869
that's a very selfish way of looking at it. You must be a very frustrated virgin.
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>>732471869
This is some next level retardation right her.
>>
>>732471869
You shut the fuck up there is no way a nigger or a tweeker is going to put their dirty greasy cock in my daughter's body faggot
ever
>>
>>732471869
This is why America has the 2nd Amendment.
>>
>>732471869
>this shitty b8 has nearly 200 replies
>>
>>732472306
well yeah, you want them to find someone they can have a healthy relationship with.... which a byproduct of that would be a healthy sec life...
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>>732472376

but then she'll eventually go to school, where she'll eventually learn about sexual assault... which is horrid and life scarring.... and then she'll feel guilty and spill the beans about what you do to her.. or she'll brag to a well educated friend.... who is afraid for her and rats her out to a teacher
>>
>>732472462

we know that.... some of us are just educated enough to talk about anything
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>>732471869
Not in Alabama
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>>732484127
So healthy black men can go impregnate the Japanese women.
>>
>>732471869

I saw this posted in a Facebook /pol/ group a month ago.
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>>732472399
dubs speak the truth
>>
I hope no one actually thinks this
>>
>>732490998
mobile poster spotted
>autocorrecting sex to sec
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>>732473184
White genocide propaganda... kys
>>
>>732475153
daughters usually inherit more dna from their fathers, while sons usually have more dna from their mothers
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