The only good thing about this place is the nature.

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>Universal health care, low crime rate, low poverty, culturally diverse, higher standard of living compared to the amerifats, stable financial sector, generally admired by the rest of the world

>>732431697
Ummm we are the first and best nation when it comes to hockey, our beer is awesome, as is our weed. Canada is the best part of north america

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Ok

>>732432031
>>732432054
t. leaves
The only thing Canada deserves is a nuclear Holocaust.

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>>732432031
>culturally diverse

>>732432031
HIGHEST SHITPOSTING WORLDWDE

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>>732432129
He must mean the frogs. Surely not even Canadians actually like their chinks and Muslims.

>>732432089
Jelli isnt a good colour on you anon

>>732432192
Chinks are filth and Muslims are literal filth.

>>732432192
More then we like our muricans refugees

>>732432192
Nah we like them. They're everywhere here and they're our friends. We aren't primed to the xenophobic fake news you are.

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>>732432469
>I like literal invaders more than I like my retarded brother
Wew lad.
>>732432567
>They're everywhere here
Thanks for reminding me never to visit leafland, cunt.

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>>732432567
>Nah we like them.

>>732432633
Unless you are a first nation then everybody else is an invader to north america. Whites included. And we dont want you up here your stupidity might rub off on people

>>732432633
>left land

How's Trump working out for you? How does it feel to live in a country with one of the lowest standards of living in the developed world?

> inb4 hurr durr murica is the greatest

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>>732432145

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>>732432789
>We invaded amd conquered the Indians (not really lol, the population density of the Americas was fuck all before colonization but w/e)
>This means that we have a moral duty to be invaded and conquered by someone else
Pathetic.

>>732432857
How's that effeminate commie working out as your leader? How does it feel to be unable to buy a house because a bunch of zipperheads already bought them up?
>everyone who thinks Canada is a shitlib hellhole is American
wew

>>732432947
Your ignorance is, frankly, rather unsupprising. People colonized north america to seek a better life. Thats the way it is to this day. People come here to for a better life. Invasions are done by armed people, typically military, not people with luggage....just so you are aware

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>OH I SHIT ON FLOOR? IS OKAY. STUPID ROUNDEYE.

>>732432947
Trudeau is fine. A leader who behaves like a rational, educated adult. Better than your puss grabbing embarrassment of a leader

>>732433319
I don't care why they're here. They can fuck off.

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>>732433319
Why should I allow some other group to partake in what my ancestors struggled for?
Why can't they go make a better life in their own lands?

>>732432947
Also the housing issues have been on going for the past two decades. Harper, Canadas previous beligerant economist cowboy prime minister, did little to adress the root causes

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>>732433356
>b-but Trump
>being a doormat is rational

>>732433527
I'm 100% sure that he did fucking nothing, just like Trudeau won't. The Canadian right and left are united in their pursuit of free trade, yes?

>>732433476
They would if you're ancestors didn't colonize them for a few centuries, steal valuable resources, enslave them, and leave their political and economic systems in turmoil

>>732433476
>>732433367
Because with that logic nobody would have come here in the first place. Why couldnt YOUR ancestors make THEIR own lands better?

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>>732433739
>b-but colonialism
European imperialism demonstrably made the Middle East and Africa better, just like Chinese imperialism is making it better now. I accept no moral guilt for my people's trying to uplift savages.

>>732433755
Not an argument, see >>732432947

>>732433628
Yes, free trade is what will drive the economy going forward. The fact that you cant comprehend these things doesnt mean they are bad

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>>732433949
I don't even have to know about economics to know why free trade is a bad idea (even though I probably know more than you). Have a video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMU_IGT2Zgg

>>732433849
>implying colonialism helped improve the situation of the colonized

I can see you're a product of the American education system

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>>732434088
>argues free trade by posting youtube video on chemistry

>>732433849
You should be sterilized to prevent any further pollution of the gene pool. Any bastard prodginy you have managed to produced should be as well

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>>732434227
I said tried. Colonizers went in with the best of intentions, only to find that their subjects couldn't into civilization.
Tell me again why I should feel bad about that?

>>732434356
>can't understand an analogy
>calls me the stupid one
Free trade tends to equalize the economic situation of all countries involved. By involving ourselves in free trade with third world shitholes, we lower our own economic fitness.

>>732434456
You seem upset. Is this what not having an argument does to you?

>>732434519
Yup, sterilization is the answer. People this stupid cannot be allowed to reproduce

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>>732434693
>"u-ur dumb!"
I mean, maybe if you sterilize enough nationalists it'll offset your own shit-tier birthrate. We don't even need to do a leftist genocide because they're cucking themselves out of existence.

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>>732434519
>colonizers went in with the best of intentions

Nice try
1/10

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>>732434830
I mean, let's say I'm wrong. I'm not, because paternalism and the white man's burden, but even if I were, who cares?
How does imperialism mean that I have to let my country get colonized?

>>732433739
Nigger detected

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>>732434984
Nope. Just a guy who didn't go to school in cousinfuck, Mississippi

>>732434901
Your country isn't geting colonized. In Canada at least, the vast majority of immigrants assimilate well.

Hurr durr the big bad American is afraid of a little immigration

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>>732435306
Okay, fine, let's use your preferred pronouns.
How does imperialism mean that I have to let my country receive immigrants from the third world?

>>732435306
Thats entirely too much for that anon to wrap his tiny brain around

>>732435354
News flash, your country IS a thrid world country

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>>732435438
Sick burn, leaf. Not an argument, though.
What moral duty do I, the white American, have to accept immigrants of entirely different racial and cultural stock?

That, and its polar bears

>>732435473
My argument is your mother is your sister and you are dumb as a brick

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>>732435750
That's all you got? Redneck jibes that are actually more true about the people you're clamoring to let in?
Pretty pathetic.

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>>732435750
For reference.
Tell me again why we should let them in? I guess it would affect you less than us.

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>>732435473
Your entire nation is built on letting in poor immigrants. The Irish and Italians were once considered 'racially' different too, and people like you complained about them. And now you're complaining about new groups of people. I'm not saying you have to let them in, but your fear of immigrants will be looked back on and mocked historically

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>>732436151
>hurr muh Irish and Italians
Were considered white, despite leftist claims to the contrary, and were naturalized under immigration acts that only permitted white people to become citizens.
It's a non sequitur to go from slightly different ethnicities to an entirely separate race.

Got a real argument?

>>732436279
>slightly different ethnicitis

The Irish were considered subhuman when they arrived here. Read a book desu, before Trump burns them all

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>>732436474
>The Irish were considered subhuman
You are objectively wrong. Irishmen were permitted to become citizens, a right denied to those actually considered subhuman such as blacks and Chinese.

Even if it were the case, letting in a different kind of white person a century ago does not necessarily mean that we have to let in non-whites right now.

>>732436588
Nah, I'm right. The Irish were unwelcome here, and were treated like trash. There's no evidence that current immigrants will create anymore problems then historical immigrants. The rest of the developed world knows this, yet murica still afraid if being cucked by a dark skin immigrant

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>>732436588

>>732431697
And the lack of American conservatives.

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>>732437260
>>732437385
>>732437509
>white people were mean to white people so brown people
Look, it just doesn't follow. It's as much of a non-argument as imperialism.

>>732431697
Dude shut up..... Canada is the shit.

America's been slippin for a bit of time and it's about time your admitted you need a rebuilding season.

If America is a hockey team and Trump is your General Manager, I've got a feeling your rebuild is gonna take awhile.

Don't worry, you guys aren't bottom of the league or nothing, but you'de be lucky to make a lucky card playoff spot

Gnight fagbutt.

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>>732431697
Weather is so shit right now. I might not make it.

>>732437643
... ** fucking wild card spot

I even reread the fucking thing.

>>732437630
>white people were mean to white people

You're missing the point, anon. The Irish weren't considered white when they arrived here, and were therefore seen as subhumans by the idiot bigots of the time.

The torch has been handed down and you have now taken on the role if the idiot bigot of our time.

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>>732438056
>The Irish weren't considered white when they arrived here
But that's wrong.
They were disliked by the English (and the anglicized Germans and Dutch), but they were very much considered white. Even if they weren't, it's still irrelevant because the Irish are genetically basically identical to other European populations, a fact not known at the time. Arabs, meanwhile, are racially dissimilar.

Deconstructing whiteness, splitting hairs, and using the ensuing confusion to justify a shitskin invasion is a tired, thoroughly refuted tactic. It's boring, frankly- almost as boring as your pretending that the march of progress is a real thing.

And what if Arabs are genetically dissimilar? Are you implying they are genetically incapable of assimilating into the US?

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>>732438235

>>732438723
Basically, yes. They've repeatedly demonstrated an inability to adapt to European cultural norms, and the genetic gulf is fairly wide (though not as wide as blacks, another group that has largely failed to assimilate).

You also still haven't answered my initial question: Why do I have the duty to let them in at all, regardless of their abilities? What's their justification, their sales pitch?

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>>732438785
>(((Ignatiev)))
Well, it's not a sure thing, but still.
In any case, the Irish were always white, in law and in fact. If some individual Anglos considered them non-white, well, that doesn't change the reality.

>>732438235
Deconstructing whiteness allows us to see the historical processes by which different groups were included and excluded in the US, often for economic gains. And to state that Arabs shouldn't be allowed in the US because their 'racial dissimilarity' will cause problems is unscientific

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>>732439132
I understand the motivation better than you, and like I said it's very boring and hollow. Adding an explicitly Marxist twist on it doesn't make it any more interesting or legitimate.
Declaring something unscientific doesn't make it so, especially since I never said anything about problems. Even if Arabs were all kindhearted angels (which they aren't), the racial difference alone would be enough to justify their exclusion.

>>732432192
we're much more polite about it. Our racists have a town hall before gays or muslims move in to town, then leave a letter on their door saying "you shouldn't stay longer than a week, we'll pay for your moving expenses but we don't want you here" true story. It worked, but I think it only works in Canada because we didn't force an entire generation of people to come here so we actually have the right to tell people they are uninvited in a legal way. They do a good job of keeping their communities homogeneous. But that will happen when you country doesn't suck

>>732439291
>declaring something unscientific doesn't make it so

Yes, it does. There is no scientific backing to suggest that genetic differences impede cultural cohesion.

To ignore socio-political processes in favour of social darwinist pseudo-science to explain issues faced by the black community is not the right answer.

>racial difference alone is enough to justify their exclusion
If they are capable of assimilating, and you still have an issue with supposed racial difference, then you have an irrational phobia you need to address personally

As a Canadian, I 100% agree with you OP. Fellow Canadians are so fucking obnoxious assholes. We are generally taught to be polite in public, but everyone does nothing but bitch and talk shit about eachother and be the most idiotic assholes on this continent. Just skimming the comments here and I see, "Weed" "Beer" and "Health Care", which isn't universal by the way, anyone who thinks so has no idea how I medical system works. But yeah, we have teenagers on here who think ANY beer is good and "lmfao weed brah xxD". I regret not being an American every single day .

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>>732439564
That's pretty great of them.
>>732439841
>There is no scientific backing to suggest that genetic differences impede cultural cohesion.
There's no evidence to suggest that differing propensities toward violence, differing IQs, differing time preferences, et cetera, have no impact on culture or cultural cohesion?

>you still have an issue with supposed racial difference, then you have an irrational phobia you need to address personally
If you have no issue with your racial and cultural heritage being erased because you bought into the lie of egalitarianism, then you have problems of your own. Don't pathologize self-interest or in-group preference, you disgusting cuckold.

>>732432031
>>Universal health care,
Yay paying for retards doing stupid shit and getting hurt

>Low crime rate
It's not that low, especially in the inner cities where they fudge numbers for crimes related to minorities.

>low poverty
HHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHA 30% of Canadians are living at or below poverty level, and one in 5 children are living in poverty, that's just our Lieberal government fudging numbers to look better.

>culturally diverse

Implying that's a good thing

>higher standard of living compared to the amerifats

Not really, our money is worth less, our wages are lower for the same jobs (when it comes to jobs that pay well, our minimum wage is higher) everything is more expensive than in the states by 20%+ Inflation is raping us, we have more household debt than America, and our cost of living is estimated to go up higher than inflation for the next 20 years.

>Stable financial sector
HHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Our banks are right now doing the shit that caused the 2008 financial crash, the exact same shit. One of our biggest banks just got outed for bad loans and is crashing by millions in value daily.

>Generally admired by the rest of the world

Yeah nah, the french and dutch like us because we saved their asses in two world wars, but otherwise we're the laughing stock of the rest of the western world.

>>732440075
>believing that science proves differences in propensities for violence, etc. among "races"
>2017

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>>732440417
So are you just going to "it's current year" at me, or do you have an actual argument?
Or better yet, data, but we both know the data is very solidly against your position.

>>732440491
>makes pseudo scientific claims
>demands data from others

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>>732440616
I mean if we're just gonna do the same dance that we always do with this argument, I'm game.
Here's victimization rates by race, i.e. violent crime rates.

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>>732440815
Here's the murder rate by country. Also a compelling argument for not admitting mestizos.

>>732440923
Here's IQ by country. Note that the whiter parts of South America have higher IQs, and the more..."diverse" areas have lower ones. Also note the room-temperature IQs across the Muslim world.

>>732440098
who are you really fooling?

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>>732441000
Whoops, forgot to link that one.

>>732440815
That's not evidence of genetic differences in criminality. I can just as easily claim that as evidence of the outcome of socio-economic inequality and prejudice faced by people of colour in the US

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>>732441079
Indeed you can. I'd respond that poor white areas are just as low in violent crime as rich areas are. Similar to intelligence, incidentally.

>>732441061
>implying that IQ tests aren't affected by educaton and health of upbringing in impoverished nations

>>732433367
You are a good man Anon

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>>732441210
Then how do you explain China? Even the cities aren't exactly nice places to live there.
For that matter, how do you explain why South American countries with a higher proportion of Europeans have higher average IQs? They're all fairly poor.

Anyone arguing about politics in here is a raging faggot. Canada is cool.

>>732440017
You are a tremendous faggot Sir

>>732440923
Still not evidence of genetic propensity for violence. Curtent situation of each country with respect to historical circumstances can easily explain this

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>>732441473
Yes, and epicycles can explain the motion of Mars across the sky. Ever heard of Occam's razor?

Honestly, the reality of race as a legitimate grouping is fairly settled. It's ignored not because it's unscientific but because it's heretical to prevailing cultural norms.
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/04/debunking-a-denier-part-1-the-existence-of-race-race-iq/

>>732431697
GET THE FUCK OFF MY BOARD CANUCKCUCK! THIS IS AN AMERICAN BOARD FOR FUCKING AMERICANS ONLY! TRUMP SIGNED EXECUTIVE DECISIONS THAT PROHIBITED ILLEGAL CYBER IMMIGRATION! YOU CAN NO LONGER DANCE ACROSS OUR VIRTUAL BORDERS AND COMMIT ACTS OF IMMIGRATION TERRORISM! FUCK RIGHT THE HELL OFF BACK TO YOUR THIRD WORLD SHITHOLE COUNTRY'S CYBERSPACE AND STAY OFF AMERICAN WEBSITES! TRUMP! TRUMP! TTTRRRRUUUUUMMMMMMPPPPPP!!!!

>>732441348
http://alternative-right.blogspot.ca/2016/04/race-and-iq-mixed-populations-part-2.html?m=1

Reverse image search led me to this website, and other garbage propaganda garbage
websites.

Nice try.

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>>732441822
But do you have an actual argument besides dismissing the source of the image?
They didn't, after all, make the numbers up out of whole cloth. There's a paper linked right there. If you don't like the paper, you can easily Google racial demographics and IQ.

>>732441691
The scientific community has consistently proven race to be biologically inconsistent, though race remains a sociological reality. This is the prevailing opinion of the vast majority of scientists. You're linking me to alt right websites with dubious information. Not impressed.

>>732441983
>dismissing source of image

Your entire argument is based on these images and graphs from websites clearly created to be partial to your agenda. These are not scientific sources.

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>>732442044
Again, you're attacking the source of the information rather than the information itself. How is the information dubious? Is the methodology poor, the sample size too low? Or do you just not like the conclusion drawn?

In fact, they discuss the biological reality of race (and the majority opinion among biologists that race is real) in that link. With many inline citations. If the papers in question are illegitimate, surely you should be able to find a refutation thereof, some criticism, or even a paper with which to provide a counterargument.

>>732442255
Yes, generally that's how arguments work: You cite data that supports your view. Do you have any data of your own?

>>732431697

You're right, Canada sucks, I'm leaving. The pakis can have it

>>732440098

So much this.

The Canadian lie will not last

>>732442301
Your articles are not scholarly. Find me one peer reviewed article published by a public university that shows differences in propensities for violence among races.

Yes, in an argument you present data that supports your view. But the quality of the data and the impartial nature of the publisher must always be questioned

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>>732432129
>culturally diverse

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>>732433739
learn the truth.

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>>732435306
Actually, Canada is less welcoming of diversity and immigrants.

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>>732442946
You are correct, Alternative Hypothesis is not a scientific journal. They do, however, link to several papers published in scientific journals. If you were willing to read concentrated badthink, you could even find links to them.

I'd also note that you've fallen back from "race doesn't real" to "violent criminality doesn't vary by race." Which we've established as false, as seen >>732440815 here, but I'll assume that you meant that the genetic factors inherent in race don't have an effect. Part 2 of that AH series puts that to bed pretty nicely.
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/05/debunking-a-denier-part-2-race-and-crime/

Here's a choice part, though really the whole thing should be read: MAO-A, a gene more prevalent in Africans, is linked to higher rates of criminal and anti-social behavior.

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>>732442044
There is a reason why the scientific community in the west does not acknowledge the biological reality of race.

>>732440098
cool blog, where can I subscribe?

>>732443191
>be white, highly qualified Australian
>Canada rejects my residency application
>friend is a non-English speaking Asian hairdresser
>gets in straight away
It's a cool country but they need to get their shit together.

>>732443804
This article claims Watson and crick "discovered" the double helix structure of DNA...and that is when the validity of this crap went to shit. The man was dubbed racist due to his wonky data and biases. Eugenics and nazi doctors all were racist morons who falsified data to fulfill their own biases.

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>>732444058
But do you have an actual criticism of his data?

>>732443454
For the purpose of pushing their agenda, this alt right blog hand picks a few article outliers. I find that the vast majority of papers published do not reflect this view. Again, most scientists do not subscribe to this.

>race doesn't real

I have never said that race isn't real. It is a sociological reality, but a biological absurdity. Africa, for example, is incredibly diverse and yet they are all considered part of the "black" race. This makes defining race impossible outside of the sociological realm.

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>>732444058
>racist

>>732432145
No, highest shitposting would be the US. Not enough Canadians to make that record.

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>>732444456
Okay, so you said one, and I provided several. Now you say they're outliers. Odd, that.
>Again, most scientists do not subscribe to this.
That's false. There's an entire section of the first article, entitled "Mainstream Opinion," given over to clearing up that misconception. In fact, most scientists that deal with biology view race as biologically real, whereas social scientists view race as only a sociological construct.

>Africa, for example, is incredibly diverse and yet they are all considered part of the "black" race
Also false. There are three races in Africa that I'm aware of: Congoids, of which American blacks are a part, Capoids, and Semites in the north. Even if that were the case, it wouldn't invalidate the existence of non-African races so much as illuminate the need for more detailed ethnography in Africa.

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>>732443454
Out of curiosity:
1)Where in the US do you live?
2)What is your highest educational attainment?
3)Have you ever had friends that are people of color?

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>>732444456
Because all Africans are black.

>>732444519
arent all words "made up"?

>>732431697
tfw no gay white nerdy bf in Toronto

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>>732445070
I live in San Antonio, and I'm currently in college for EE. I've had a few, mostly mestizos. I apologize for not being the leftist caricature of the dumb redneck.

>>732445044
>that's false
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/

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>>732432089
>>732432145

>>732445126
But are you cute tho?
How old are you?

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>>732445659
Ha, finally, I get you to cite something!
But yeah, it's pretty unimpressive. I know that certain sectors of the scientific community view race as a social construct, but it's far from a consensus or even a majority. Low-hanging fruit.

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>>732440017
>I regret not being an American every single day .

GO.

>>732445536
But you are a dumb redneck. You live in Texas, probably go to a cappy community college, and get your information from some right wing blog

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>>732445935
Thank you for your valuable input. You've reaffirmed my opinion that my debate partner is an outlier among leftists.