Is it possible to disprove the existence of God?

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>>732338259

>>732338259
yes, given a proper definition of 'god', many gods can be disproved.

>>732338259
I can't disprove that unicorns exist either I suppose.

Russell's teapot you dumb nigger

The absence of evidence is the evidence of absence.

Either atheism or theism requires faith because you're making a claim in the absence of evidence. Being agnostic is the only that makes sense from an evidence standpoint.

Burden of proof is on those who claim that god is real

>>732339340
Dumbest shit ever. Atheism does not require faith. Are your retarded?

The absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence.

>>732338259
Depends on the definition of God. And if there is something you can define as that, would it still be a God if it was a pure accident through a sequence of unnoticed events?

The christian god has already been disproven. Pretty much nothing in the christian bible is actually tied to any sort of event that actually happened.

>>732339447
It certainly does. God can never been disproven or proven. Atheism and theism are saying "despite the proof of my claim I believe it to be so." Faith is a belief that cannot be proven.

>Christians: Idiots
>Muslims: Sandniggers
>Atheists: Pseudo intellectual fedora tippers

Open mind + Agnostic is the way to go.

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>>732338259
burden of proof lies on the claimant.

If i am saying you should believe in god, i am obligated to prove that it is a valid or true belief.

Atheism is not required to prove that god doesn't exist. It is only required to ask that theism should prove that god exists.

If got was omnipotent then could he create a stone so heavy that even he could not life it?

>>732339340
Atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive.
>>732339634
Atheism, in the broadest sense, is just not believing in gods.

Your definition of faith is also a bad one. People can believe things on faith even if that belief can be proven.

>>732339501
t. Rumsfeld

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>>732339340

>>732339734
I've found that when someone says "open mind", what they really mean is that they believe all sorts of "spiritual" garbage that's on par with Christians and Muslims.

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>>732339737

Yes. That is literally the definition of what omnipotent is.

>>732338259
Why is this quote being attributed to this kid? People have been saying this for centuries.

>>732339734
>Open mind + Agnostic is the way to go.
Your on the right path Anon

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>>732339323
This. Summed nicely.

>>732338259
If god doesnt reply with 77777777 he doesnt exist

>>732339907
Pretty much. Also only that. Just as strict about their crystals as any muslim is about fucking his underage goat. About as open minded as Hitler was.

>>732339174
Well I can't prove they do

>>732338259
I give these things a possible to plausible stance, it's possible to disprove certain theories of what God is our how he created us, but it's not possible to prove anything that has no premise and theory

God can exist as a simulator
God can exist as a scientist from a higher dimension
God cannot live in this universe and create it
If God is immortal, his world must have vastly different physics, therefore god cannot be immortal and have created our world like his

I am an apatheist. I do not care at all about god. If there is one/ones great they are doing a great job. If not cool, we're doing a great job.

Burden of proof
Strawman fallacy
Argument from ignorance
Overall not understanding what logic and critical thinking are
Bait
Sage

>>732339323
>>732340075
I thought about it and that's wrong.


Anyway, atheism is another jewish program like christianity, islam and agnosticism.


>>732340080
You're ignorant.. "god" is a name, it doesn't refer to "the most high." Unless you're a jew cuck. There are many gods.

>>732340357
What is the burden of proof? If you require that then it's your problem, not mine. Nobody has to prove it to you. Your ancestors were put on the rack and flogged and flayed by the jews and their slaves (the christians and the muslims).

>>732340971
God is a term used to refer to a variety of concepts that is also sometimes used as a name for some of those concepts.

>>732341116
Yes but in judeo christianity (which encompasses islam, catholocism, mormons, jehova witness, etc etc) "god" is actually the name the entity has chosen to be referred to as. it's a literally a name like tom or jerry. Which simultaneously other entities have real names such as Artemis or Isis.

>>732340971
>atheism, Christianity, Islam, agnosticism all Jewish programs
Wew lad. Make sure you keep that tinfoil hat on that hides your money at all times

>>732341222
The name of the god of the Abrahamic religions is usually considered to be Yahweh.

>>732341101
Burden of proof is a thing you care about when you care about truth and honesty or something you need to meet to convince someone of your bullshit.

If you dont have any proof, you dont have a good reason to believe something and that indeed is YOUR problem, unless of course like i said before, you dont care about truth.

with common sense really..

>>732341439
To be fair, appeal to common sense is a fallacy.

>>732338259
If you are talking about the Christian God:
How do you solve the Theodicy Problem?

>>732341222
WRONG.
Jews- http://www.shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/09-11.html
Mormon-Elohim
http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/The%20Many%20Names%20of%20God.htm

>>732341553
Which is?

>>732338259
the question isnt if you can prove it or disprove it but should you give a fuck?

>>732338259
>Is it possible to disprove the existence of God?
Read a book about human psychology.

The cross-reference with the litearally thousands of other religions out there.

Please. Do it. So that we can stop wasting time on this pointless debate.

>>732341633
Considering all the shit that happens because of it, probably.

>>732338259
there's no indication it exists, so no need to disprove it

>>732341561
no shit you fucking idiot. "God" is a name Im telling you, if you knew anything about spirituality you'd know that. I just did you a favor. The pagans will tell you that "God" is it's name and not it's title.

>>732341357
Yeah ok dude it's my problem that you want so badly to be intelligent.

>>732341337
Jesus and allah are the same being, theres a lot of names for it. God is one of them..

>>732341586
If god is allmighty then he can prevent evil
If god is omnibenevolent then he wants to prevent evil
But evil exists. So he can't be both allmighty and omnibenevolent. So he isn't the god the Bible told us about.

>>732341553
>>732341586
Nvm quick search and I know it
God could be creating a single entity with vast amounts of experience to handle things in his world
>inb4 why doesn't he just do it with the flick of the wrist
He's only all powerful in this world, which may not seem to last long to him

>>732341758
>Yeah ok dude it's my problem that you want so badly to be intelligent.
Its almost like you only read half of what i said and came up with a way to dodge it.
If you want to make it your problem then fine, but you being stupid sure is your problem and you stupid af.

>>732341816
derp. look past the jewish programs please, even if you dont want to believe in entities - start meditating, it will save your sanity and make you more intelligent. the third eye is an actual part of your anatomy which you can physically feel - it isn't imaginary. energies exist whether you believe in gods or not. you can prove this to yourself. christianity is a jewish program to remove spiritual knowledge from the gentiles. the 2700 slaves each jew is promised in the talmud wont be buddhists or hindus or pagans.

>>732341935
a way to dodge it
<hits enter key>

shut the fuck up, stupid. Hail Satan, creator of the Gentile race!

Eat shit and die if you disagree.

>>732341937
Are you that one anon that keeps pushing for everyone to accept Egyptian gods

>>732341971
So now you are telling me to eat shit if i dont worship satan?
Why did you even join the thread if you are not willing to have a reasonable conversation?

>>732342016
theres probably many. no though. i dont even know what youre talking about. i'll talk to you though

>>732342066
you're not reasonable. you're trying to be intelligent.

>>732341758
Jesus is either a man, part of the Trinity, or other weird things depending on the religion. It would be more accurate to say that Allah and "the Father" are the same thing.

Like I said before, the word god can be used as a name (similar to how Mom can be used as a name). The name of the god of Judaism / Christianity / Islam is Yahweh, which is commonly just referred to as God.

>>732342112
afaik they go hand in hand pretty well.
But please, do tell me what have i said that is not reasonable.

>>732338259
wow its fucking redit up in here

go away you stupid faggots nobody likes you niggers here

>>732342256
>"but you being stupid sure is your problem and you stupid af."

does that even make sense to you? Your ancestors were tortured en masse by the jews and their slaves, the christians and muslims. everything imaginable was done to them. at least upkeep tradition, you don't lose anything from it.

>>732342080
That guy was strange.
To prove if god is true, we must first rule out what he is/isn't or can/can't do before we can even think about concrete evidence

>>732340244
Are some of my thoughts restricting and predicting God, what are some others?

>>732342467
What the fuck are you two even talking about?

>>732342467
Well 1, you being stupid is not my problem, tho it is becoming one the longer i try to communicate with you.
2, How the fuck are our "ancestors" relevant to this conversation? You dont even know where im from.
3, Why do you have this fixation for tradition? If it was a tradition in your family to jump off a bridge when you hit 30, would you continue the tradition?

>>732342636
he is stupid, give him a break.

>>732342510
Not everything makes sense. There's something called Esoteric knowledge which is the reason you have the Illuminati out at Bohemian grove worshipping an owl statue. Things you don't know about exist. There is an explanation you can find, I think you have the jew-made misconception idea that people are trying to tell you that the existence of a god means we are in a controlled realm wherein the gods have all the power. The pagans think there's a war going on.

I'm not telling you to read the book, but just consider the words "pawns in the game".

you're being spiritually suppressed, you're not meant to know anything. start meditating. why the fuck are children being sacrificed by the elites if nothing spiritual is real?

>>732342636
It's another Jew conspirator. It's pretty funny what they come up with sometimes though.

Ask for evidence, and they'll say it's all around you or "good goyim". It's like talking to a brick wall

>>732342723
>1, you being stupid is not my problem, tho it is becoming one the longer i try to communicate with you.

wat ...stopped right there

fucking l2english mongoloid

>HAS NOT BEEN SELECTED

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God made lolis.
Man made sex with lolis illegal.
Really, now... who's the wrong one here...

The fact that there is no proof that he does exist is proof that he doesn't exist.

>>732342789
OK so are the Jews like the gods secret agents or something?

>>732342791
>It's like talking to a brick wall
>>732342843


Anon you called it too perfectly.

>>732338259
>haven't been here in 6 months
>still shitposting about the same bullshit.

>>732342970
no the jews are your enemy. thats why the third reich was purging them. the nazis were into witchcraft

>>732342979
im just some guy with his dick in his hand trying to fucking jack off when you faggots come up on the front page and i had to call you a fucking retard

faucking faggots go kys already and end the debate once and for all

>>732343060
What did you expect
>>732343062
Why are the Jews my enemy
Why is there a war
What do you mean witchcraft

>>732343220
the jews want to enslave you. simply put. take a look around, now you can see.

>>732338259
>No one can prove that God doesn't exist.

Typical Religitard response, the burden of proof is not on me, but on you, to prove your theory right and show that god does indeed exist. That and it's sequel are also the dumbest fucking movies I think I've ever seen, and i've seen shitty knock off mock busters.

>>732342979
I try to understand them sometimes, but they're very vague, cultish, and frankly seem psychotic

>>732338259
Yes. Proof is the burden of the projector

One does not suggest that god does not exist, one must suggest that he does.

Therefore, without the proof of existence, by default: nonexistence

>>732343300
>look around
>>732342791
Called it.

So the Jews have a secret cult lasting millenia to take over and enslave the world, yet nothing they've done or said in regards to this has been leaked or discovered as concrete proof.

>>732339734
>idiots
>sandniggers
>pseudo intellectual

>open mind

>>732339910

No, you idiot. It is a paradox. If a god would create such stone he wouldn't be able to lift it, hence he wouldn't omnipotent, would he?

>>732343489
Whatever dude. Nobody's saying that, just do some research. Look at the degradation of society and spirituality. The christians and muslims spawned from the jews and have been massacring people since they began and destroying knowledge and erasing civilizations, tradition and culture. the jews own hollywood too, the jews are the reason theres so much "how can white men even compete" bullshit on this board you probably roam on all day. whatever man youre fucking blind. jesus isnt gonna come and give you sight - start digging.

>>732338259
You can't disprove a negative.
It should be up to the believers to provide the evidence.

>>732343073
Anon, you've done it! you marvelous faggot

>>732339910
By lifting the rock, God has made shown the rock to be one that he can lift. He still hasn't created one he can't lift. And if he did, his inability to lift the rock would mean he wasn't omnipotent

>>732339340
Only retarded Muricunts need to label everything.
Most people live their lives with or without faith and don't give a fuck about being agnostic theist or gnostic atheist or any other retarded shit like genderfluid wolfkin...

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>>732343820
>>732343073
>>732338259

IT'S OVER THE PROOF IS IN

>>732343698
I don't see how an entire race and large religion can be devoted to this. Especially with so many ex-jews.

What religion are you exactly?

>>732338259
Sure, its rather easy.

Say aloud "God, show yourself and stand before me", and simply wait... You might be there a while.

>B-b-but it d-doesn't work l-like that
Of course it does, God is all-powerful, remember? Created everything out of nothing, can do anything, remember? Showing him/herself before you would be so fucking easy for an all-powerful GOD.

>>732338259
of course not, you can't prove a negative

>>732343698
Top fucking kek.
Like white christian guilt isn't the one doing the most damage to our civilization today.

>>732339634
Yeah that's what It also seems like to me. I think the thing is most atheists are actually just agnostic, but they call themselves atheists for some reasons which by definition i think is incorrect. Unless you truly believe (aka a
version of faith) that god does not exist.

>>732339784
The above is what I think that guy meant when he said faith.

>>732339925
That's a movie poster.

>>732343944
No school today, Timmy?

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>>732338259

>>732344297
No god today, Billy?

>>732343944
You realize that makes no fucking sense. If I was standing in front of you and you said "Jerk me off", I right there have the ability to jerk you off, it was be "so fucking easy" to jerk you off. But I wouldn't do it, Why? CUZ I DON'T FUCKING FEEL LIKE IT. How is God devoid from having an opinion on what he wants to do? Btw I'm agnostic but I'm just trying to make a point.

>>732344412
That's a good quote but that still doesn't prove for a fact that god doesn't exist bud.

>>732343698
>>732343698
great b8 you cuck

>>732344571
That's the point and smart people knew that for centuries

>>732343698
White Amerifat cuck spotted

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>>732343073
>proving Eric doesn't exist automatically proves god doesn't exist

Logic doesn't work that way anon

>>732343073
This da proof right their

Descartes, Emmanuel Kant, St. Anselm,

All good arguments, just google and relax

>>732344571
Least of all it implies praying doesn't do shit

>>732344481
Youre a fucking numbskull, it makes perfect sense.

You have a god, right? Can literally do anything because he is all-powerful. So powerful in fact, that he created everything out of nothing, right? A god that has infinite power to do anything cannot show himself to you in your mom's basement? Why is that? How come? Because god doesn't exist.

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>>732338259
Here's the thing, OP-chan. If you put two people from different countries, side-by-side and ask them to describe something in detail, they'll more than likely arrive at similar results but with pretty damn varied descriptors. That's where we're at with the whole "God Query". The difference between the scientific view and the theistic view is this, humans will coalesce patterns out of things biased to what they WANT to see. A theist already knows what he wants to see, it's described for him, he is told WHAT to look for. A scientist on the other hand has no such base indoctrination, save for the collective observations of people through history AND the idea of science is expand knowledge, not limit it by making baseless claims from a single source text. Roast me faget.

The statement itself disproves the existence of the subject. Learn to logic cunts.

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>>732344955
>Implying higher dimensional beings can be perceived by lower-tiered scrubs

Am i the only one that think God died by creating us?

>>732345167
>god is so powerful that he cant show himself to people created in his image
Fucking wew, homes

>>732339784
Theism and agnosticism are also not mutually exclusive though. Gnosticism/Agnosticism is a scale that defines your level of faith in your particular stance, including atheism. Agnosticism from all points of view is the most logically correct stance, even agnostic theist. The problem is that atheism which claims gods aren't real aren't agnostic because you can't make any claims against any gods if you're agnostic. You can speak against religious beliefs that are practiced into reality if they're harmful, but you can't speak against any gods themselves.

You can only disprove something which has been proven in the first place. God is not in that category of things which are proven in the first place. God is a meme and you're a fool of you take the meme literally.

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>>732345241
Maybe. My own theory is that "God" was born as a higher dimensional entity and we simply reside within it as constructs akin to the cells inside our own bodies. When we're born our genetics dictate our cells "lives" and their purpose. I propose that we are driven in a similar fashion towards that higher tier, yet cannot touch it...for now.

>>732339374
What if you're a pantheist?

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>>732345295
Do you even science bitch nigga? Get some based knowledge before you comment sonny.

>>732343635
>>732343833

No need to be triggered. I'm just saying that's what being omnipotent means. Wether it's real or not or if God is real or not, I don't know or care.

>>732345738
I identify as biromantictheist

>>732345825
>science
use science to show me god.

I'll wait.

>>732345295
A human is so powerful compared to an ant, but we can't walk around in ant colonies and socialize with them. Vast power difference doesn't necessarily mean omnipotent. Sure some religions claim omnipotence, but god doesn't necessarily have to be omnipotent.

>>732343833
>>732343635
>>732345854
Being omni potent implies he has the power to make himself not omni potent.
He just doesn't do anything to make him not omni potent, like creating something he can't control

Checkm8

Let's try it. Who is God? What is the specification?

>>732346013

I'm pretty sure if God made literally everything, including logic and the laws of our universe, he can break them and do whatever the fuck he wants.

>>732345949
Fucking shit, m8... Can you really not understand such a simple principle? I'll just shorten the distance of the struggle your pathetic ass mind would have to go through to comprehend then.

>We aren't advanced enough yet
>dealwithit.png

>>732345954
God has infinite power, waterhead. He can do literally anything with it. If he has the power to create everything, even coming to speak to characters in the bible, surely he can come show himself to me by lighting my shrubbery ablaze in my front yard and talking to me through it.

Hit me up with more excuses.

>>732346313
>the difference between divinity and science is knowledge

No.

>>732346313
>understand
You dont understand.

God is not real.

>>732338259
As a christian, fuck that piece of shit trash movie.
Oh, hurr durr, guy gets hit by a car at the end, and is all "oh no im scared xD" and then converts and gets saved.
Pussy.

>>732346323
Why should God answer to you, you lowly mortal? You should be the one answering to him. He's going to come running into the nearest shrub to prove himself to you just because you're a doubter? Fuck that he's far too busy and powerful to do that. Besides we're just his sandbox to play around in and everything that happens is his will, including not showing himself to you.

>>732342416
>"lel I'm a newfag from pleddit and I learned 4chan is supoerior so everything similar is CANCUR KYS NIGGER HAHAHA.. *nudgenudge* reddit, amirite?

>>732344863
Each claim is equally outlandish and the logic there is somewhat skewed but the fundamental principle remains the same and you still cant disprove the penguin's existence

>>732346430
That's not a claim you could make though because God is essentially a Schrodinger's Cat to our perspective at this time. Go kick rocks, pleb.

god busted his load in an unsuspecting virgin. that's all i need to know.

>>732346392
One could say "magic & science" too, makes little difference.

>>732338259

impossible to prove or disprove the existence of gods, unicorns, and wizards.

that's why they're scientifically useless questions.

What is the concensus on what God is? I never read the books.

Is it possible to disprove the answer is invisible unicorn farts from epsilon eridani?

God is not real
>Y-YES HUH
No, kid, he doesnt exist
>Y-YEAH HE DOES
Ok, if he's real, then tell him to move the pencil on my desk, or since he has infinite power, tell him to turn it into a crisp $100 bill or a kitten
>H-HE'S TOO P-POWERFUL, I-IT D-DONT WORK LIKE T-THAT

its like talking to 5 year olds who believe in Santa because presents were left under the tree and the milk and cookies left for him were eaten and their tiny brains can't fathom that it was just mom and dad

I can disprove anything but just saying three letters, I can't disprove that those three letters can be placed one after another, as you've done that.

What clause am I disproving for you here gentlemen?

>>732346558

>Why should God answer to you, you lowly mortal?
Because he loves his creations, remember? He wants me to worship him, remember? How can i serve a king when there is no evidence a king exists?

>>732338259
>Is it possible to disprove the existence of God?
You don't have to. The burden of evidence is on the person making a claim.

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>>732338259
yes, look
>if god exists he is almighty or he is not a real god
>if god is almighty he sees und hears everything and he knows everything and can do everything
>so if god exists he is almighty and can prove that god doesn't exists
>but god cant prove himself not existing therefore he doesn't exist

>>732346667
Still waiting for proof. You evidently know he exists, you talk to him regularly. So, go get him, I have questions.

>>732346890
Well no shit, if you discuss things with any person in an organized religion, it's circular logic abound because they're limited to a single doctrine of thought.

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>>732342906
This is the best argument I ever heard of for the existence of god.

>>732347213
Proof is already there. You can't simply look at the evidence and say it doesn't exist. In fact, it is so overwhelming the burden of proof is on you to make a counter claim.

This is kindergarten stuff though.

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Is it so horrible to accept that we're alone on this rock hurling through space? We got each other! And a warm sun! And cold beer! AND TITS!

Come on man. Chill.

>>732347499
Not the anon you have a chat with but let me be a faggot for a minute and quote Hitchens at you:

“That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”

My take on it is the following, since no one gave me any description of God, and I've never had religion in my life...

1) Omnipotent, why then is there so much evil, like let's say the hiroshima bomb, bombed the crap out of a whole sector of Japan. Where all those people deserving to die? He let that happen, yet obviously if he's omnipotent he could just force field those people that were there and weren't complete monsters, so they'd be safe???
Omnivolent: I don't feel very loved tbh. Is this some kind of strategic love applied to the norm, because I personally don't feel loved. I'm not showered with love every moment of my life. ok.
Omniscient, maybe but really, that would mean he is every particle that you and I are made up of and he's structurally capable of understanding and predicting every one of our actions and feelings. Well then what's the point of even creating the universe? If he can fathom everything in advance? If he learns things as they unfold then it's not really omniscience.
Besides we've all heard little guys saying they know everything. Do we believe it, no?

>>732347213
Not once have I claimed to be a believer of God. I'm just not gonna make an ass of myself by claiming to know all...as you clearly are. There is no evidence for gravity either, yet your ass is still firmly planted downward, so a lack of evidence isn't grounds to dismiss a subject indefinitely. It's only placed on the back burner until it can be addressed with certainty that we don't currently possess.

Answer me this, christfags, if god is real, all powerful, good, and loves us all, how come he allows satan, who is pure evil, to have free reign over his creation earth and lets his evil influence his children?

If god loves us, then why does he let christian children get raped, disemboweled and discarded on the side of the road?

I actually read, that he gives power to Satan. Yeah why is there an Evil force abound?

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>>732348097
People choose to do those things to each other, you can blame Satan or rise above situations to be a better person. If there were no evil, how could you define "good"?

>>732347700
>There is no evidence for gravity
Fucking wew...

Just, a gift from one person to another would be good.

>>732347608
Unfortunately your "without evidence" claim is an entirely false one. Literally is all around us, you just come to a different conclusion than you should, probably because of some bias you have.

This isn't even mentioning the subject of Christ's resurrection, which is far, far more easier to prove and which would virtually prove the existence of God anyway.

You're wrong anon. Blind, biased, and ill informed.

But you see, the beautiful thing about Christianity is nowhere in the bible does it say it is my job to convince you of anything. You are free to believe whatever you chose. I'm merely told to inform you of the facts. You have them, do with them what you will. Ignore them if you must.

>>732347499
>i cant explain why that mountain is there or why we have wind, therefore it was god

Stop with the cop-outs and excuses.

>>732348176
I'm talking about a physical particle to define it but anyway, it is what it is. We'll come across it eventually.

>>732348134
Like, let's say someone is intending to do something harmful or evil, he can just restrict them until they don't want to do that anymore?

>>732348134
You would define "good" based on societal norms, and use theology as a means of perpetuating them. This is exactly why the Greeks had a diverse pantheon of Gods, to represent each of the city-states, who acted more as tribes who worked together in times of strife. It's why Native Americans used spirit animals, to focus on the individual talents that each tribesman brought to the collective. It's why monarchies used Christianity, to show the lower castes that one rules over many.

"Good" and "Evil" don't exist. They are perspectives, derived from both personal morality, and social morality.

You can't prove a negative like that.

You can show for instance that the bible is full of "Corrects", contradictions, and falsehoods however and then ask the simple question, given that the bible is therefore an unreliable source, why believe it over something you can't prove either?

God, Allah, Odin, Buddha. All the magic sky friends are just as likely as one another since none have any proof of their existence.

>>732339140
hahha
cuz there is a proper "definition of god" right?
you are a fucking idiot

>>732338259
nice theosophic mindgame
but fully irrelevant
in my opiniion it even seems to be artificially made difficult enough, so that it can not be proven pr disproven
wich would fit to the description of "faith"

>>732348285
No cop-outs or excuses here. The excuses are all on your side. You know, the one little sheet you use so you don't have to argue or have your worldview challenged?

This is the essence of 4chan, the inability to reconcile differences of other people and a clinging to hatred of those people who's beliefs are different. It's why you're on here, cause you can't function in society.

>>732338259
Not by current epistemological paradigm.

>>732348494
How else can we define it, if not by the experience gleaned from all of mankind's time on this planet? It's a learning process anon.

>>732338259
Silly faggot thread.

If god is omnipotent, can he create an argument so circular, even he can't believe?

>>732348435
If your mom or dad let you play in the back yard and you fell off the tree and broke your arm, you could come inside crying about how they don't love you or they could have stopped you from climbing the tree (How can God let evil things happen?)

Or you could bitch that they don't let you play in the street cause they don't want you to get hit by a car, but really they are just mean and stupid and don't want you to have any fun (Why does the bible have so many rules, Don't get drunk, Don't have sex, Go to church, etc...)

God could have made us all remote controlled, but do you feel any sadness when a remote controlled car gets broken? Do you feel attached to it? Do you grieve the way you grieve over say a dog, a cat, or other pet? Probably not, since those living beings chose to love you and sometimes shit on the carpet and barked late at night, but you loved them anyway cause you valued their companionship. In the same way God loves us even tho some of us do shitty things to each other. Sure, he could control our every move, but it'd be about as fulfilling a relationship as loving a remote controlled car.

Far, far more complicated than you give it credit for anon. But this is a common atheist fallacy.

It be more than happy to believe in and worship god if there was proof he exists. Rattling off a list of shit you can't explain, and shoving an old book written by who knows, rewritten who knows how many times, with shit add to, and removed from who knows how many times isnt proof either.

>>732348948
Claiming god isn't good don't mean claiming he doesn't exist thought

>>732349035
Believe it when you're ready to or don't. Your choice m9.

>>732348668
You cannot provide proof that god exists other than shit you cant explain. I have no excuses, because Im not trying to bullshit anyone into believing something, you have nothing but excuses, because you want me to believe in something you cannot explain.

>>732349035
Common atheist fallacy.

The fact it was written by so many different authors over such a long span of time and that it stayed consistent with itself and the loving God underneath it all is actually proof toward it's veracity. You say the bible can't prove itself, yet you claim it's several different books compiled together. In fact, they compliment each other well and support each other phenomenally given the circumstances you described.

Yet another example of how something atheists think disprove Christianity actually reinforces it.

>>732349172
I'll believe it when someone can prove it, or when god himself shows himself. Neither is likely to happen.

>>732348780
A lesson's value, learned by one side, is not the same lesson learned by another. A thief whose hand is taken by a guard learns not to steal. His son learns to be more efficient, so his family still may eat.

>>732349238
I'm sorry and which fallacy is this?

>>732349238
Who gives a shit about a book?

Harry Potter proves Dumbledore exists too! lol

>>732349205
Nope, don't want you to believe in anything particularly if you don't want to. Merely pointing out the truth. Jesus did, and he was cursed and ultimately killed so it's only natural to get this kind of hate filled response when I've done nothing but state my beliefs which happen to differ from yours. Between the two of us tho, I haven't been nearly as rude or as aggressive as your comments, so if I were an outsider looking in I think I'd shy away from whatever world view it is you prescribe to anon.

Get close to dying, you'll meet something for sure !

>>732338259
Inability to prove the existance of "god" is disproving its existance.

>>732338259
Sure. It's possible to prove or disprove anything. Our understanding of the universe just is not strong enough to have definitive proof either way yet, and we're probably a long way off. Remember, it was once impossible to prove or disprove the fact that the earth orbits the sun and that the world was round, not flat.

We may not see the time where definitive proof becomes available for the god delusion in our lifetimes, but it must be possible.

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>>732347331
Loli is love. Loli is life.

"You can't hate something that doesn't exist, because if you do, then you're already proven that he is"


You can't imagine what is behind a wall without having some somewhat spiritual strength to believe that there is, that you believe

the same goes with atheist and their faulty arguments, same foundation, wrong assumptions..

and that's why you don't debate with atheist,
their excuse will ever be the same as the man who begins it, not to mention they're drowned by their ignorance and their delusional lives

>>732349401
My invisible dragon loves your jesus too, just like the bible says.

>>732349274
Be a lazy git then

>>732349286
There is truth in that to be sure but if the son has the capacity to think critically, he may also realize he can catch thieves for money to feed his family or even another trade. It's choice.

>>732338259

Let's try.

If this post ends in 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,0 God doesn't exist

>>732338259

No one can disprove that leprechauns exist.

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>>732349701
>Using loaded examples

>>732349660
I have nothing against the concept of god, it's his fan club my issue usually. I really like talking about religions, the thing I never get is why there are so many different ones, is god screwing over some people just for keks?

>>732349238

You really need to utilize google
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha

>>732349660
hey retard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_burden_of_proof
I'm not gonna even claim anything, I'm just gonna ask from you: where is the proof of God? Since you're the one making claims, YOU have to prove your claim, I don't have to prove anything.

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Ok let me see.

If your mom or dad let you play in the back yard and you fell off the tree and broke your arm, you could come inside crying about how they don't love you or they could have stopped you from climbing the tree (How can God let evil things happen?)

- Wait wait wait wait wait. I was fully intelligent as a child. My mum and dad giving me the freedom to do something would be positive and I wouldn't blame them.

Or you could bitch that they don't let you play in the street cause they don't want you to get hit by a car, but really they are just mean and stupid and don't want you to have any fun (Why does the bible have so many rules, Don't get drunk, Don't have sex, Go to church, etc...)

- Yeah I would bitch about that, the only thing I need my parents for is to protect me if they choose by fighting off other entities. I don't need to be told not to walk into a volcano or in front of a car. I actually knew what electricity was as a kid. They can do me a service by giving me freedom and accurate advice, not by restricting me or coercing me.

God could have made us all remote controlled, but do you feel any sadness when a remote controlled car gets broken? Do you feel attached to it? Do you grieve the way you grieve over say a dog, a cat, or other pet? Probably not, since those living beings chose to love you and sometimes shit on the carpet and barked late at night, but you loved them anyway cause you valued their companionship. In the same way God loves us even tho some of us do shitty things to each other. Sure, he could control our every move, but it'd be about as fulfilling a relationship as loving a remote controlled car.

- No don't make us remote controlled, just let people into the universe or make them that are good, if they are going to do something evil, just restrict them... and that's it, I was never evil, I wouldn't expect there to be this much death around me.
.

>>732349660
I can hate TV characters. They sort of exist.

Christians don't debate atheists because there isn't anything to debate! they believe something without any verifiable proof, atheists don't. As far as I can tell, that's the extent of it.

>>732348948

^^

>>732338259
Only someone completely devoid of logic would post OP's image. Also, if you don't understand Russel's Teapot you're an ignorant twat with the mind of a female.

>>732349660

hear this atheist and burgers,


believe what your filthiness wants you to believe, no one will stop your ignorance, live your life like a king, and we will see who's right in the end, enjoy the earthly pleasures and the thing you called knowledge, reasoning and science, that's all just a filthy rags in God's sight.
but lo you can't even imagine it, because you're all deluded by the system you want to push for yourselves,

be an ignorant till the day you die, waste your life for the meaningless pursuit of nothingness, fill it with your fleshly desires, it's only a matter of time that you will know that thing you were once believe to be a lie, were a truth instead,

it's your own choice to damn yourselves,
just don't spewed out bullshit unto others and force your ignorance to others,

>>732341937
>Christianity is a Jewish program
I don't have a reaction image for this stupidity

I mean you're technically not wrong, but you're still very very stupid

Is it possible not to have this thread every damn week ?

>>732339323
Its proven factual history

Do your research before starting a pointless bread

>John 3:16

732350016
>>force your ignorance to others
proceeds to do the exact same thing
nigga you dumb
like i'm a believer but damn you are retarded

>>732349955
>Do
>Do not
That is the fullest extent of the differences because both are making bold assumptions with no outward gain. The only reason it is brought up is to masturbate one's own perspective because proof is not present either way.

>>732350016
>an ignorant

This is some poor quality bait

>>732350016
>force your ignorance to others
proceeds to do the exact same thing
nigga you dumb
repost because i'm sleep deprived
like i'm a believer but damn you are retarded

>>732349888

you can't force to believe on something, you have to let Him open your eyes,that is if you have a faith, you will find all the proof on his word, but it's your own soul not my soul that could open it's meaning and find the truth,

the rest is the unknown, you can't define something that is beyond what a mortal human could think and reason to, because If we can make something out of thin air, then that would mean we're Gods and we are equal with him, we can't explain it, neither the intelligent species can, but only He that transcendence above us can,

>>732350016
As an atheist myself: No belief solely for belief's sake.

This kind of language just seems really really crazy to me. It's fucking scary how people are so afraid.

There is no proof for any deity. Maybe it will turn out that our biology was influenced by superpowerful alien sky wizards a million years ago. Maybe not. But WHY PRETEND TO KNOW??? What's the use in that?

>>732350327
your autism is astounding, just out of curiosity: how many grades is your education?

you can't deny it within your souls that He existed but you just covered it with some petty excuses and science just to justify your desires and escape the reality of what lies beneath all of us,

God existed but you denied it,
He did not exist because you want it
You hate him because, He is true

now your only escape to make it
false is to spewed out your reasoning
that he did not, and will not, and can not
EXIST.

as it written, there will be no more sign be given to man, than the crufixion, resurrection and the ascention of our lord Jesus Christ,

>>732338259
ITT Butthurt meme atheists trying to justify their belifs

>>732350524

I'm currently a college student in my uni, EE

>>732339634
Certainly god can be proven to exist. All you have to do is have him show up and perform some miracles. That's why the burden of proof is on those who say he exists. They're the only ones who can actually prove it, therefore they should.

Just look at it this way ; how come there is so many relgions and how come the one you're born to is the real one that will get you in heaven and others will go to hell ? how does that make sense , more important do you really believe you're so lucky that you were born in the right country ?
btw i'm a believer in god , because something this beatiful as this universe as this life can't just exist randomly , of course that's my personal view ,
just not too sure about all the religions stuff going on

>>732350735
No that's just your hallucinatory force of presence typing nonsense with words that you know we rely upon to convey simple things. And it's not that effective to be frank in your case. We can all talk like Rafiki from the lion king, but I certainly don't want to say I knew anything about anyone else other than me at any age.

nice bait

>>732350507

Jesus Christ never forced anyone to believe,
The catholics do but they're not mostly Christian
some sort,

it's ok if you don't want to believe in it.
and I'm not saying it in a bad way,
because He never force anyone to,

it's just faith,, your soul, the rest will
follow

>>732350735
This guy is one of the guys that stand outside my kids school and desperately hands out religious leaflets into kids' hands because nobody else will believe them.

>>732339296
Russells teapot doesn't prove or disprove anything you fucking piece of human garbage

>>
o ffs

>>732350848
this

What's russels teapot

Yes, but I don't have time to tell you my life's story.

>>732350795
whats EE, East-Europe?

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>>732350886

the reason for the many religions today is part biblical and a test,

only with the help of the holy spirit can grant you all the tools you need to discern the truth from the sea of lies,

you may discern it, logically, historically, or biblically, but it all boils down to what the Holy spirit will give you, that is there to it really,

with unbiased truth seeking, patience and diligence, you will know what is the truth and which is the lie,

>>732338259
It doesn't work that way. An argument which isn't proven doesn't need to be disproven.

>>732350848
but when someone shows up and performs miracles, how do you know it's god and not some advanced alien?

>>732351115

something at starbuck's. you pay a lot now and in the long run.

>>732350737
ITT Butthurt meme christfags unable to provide evidence to justify their beliefs

>>732350848

well because he already said, there will be no more to show, because only faith can make you to it,

>as it written, there will be no more sign be given to man, than the crufixion, resurrection and the ascention of our lord Jesus Christ,

>>732351266
Elec Engineer

>>732350970

eh?, that would be the jehovahs, not me, I don't really buy their bullshits,

>>732351289
How convenient. Luckily you can see the sea of lies for what is really is.

>>732351323
What's the difference between an advanced alien and god? Seems the same, no?

>>732339340
Anything you say requires faith. It requires faith that you actually exist, that your eyes are real, etc. The critical difference is how much faith does an assertion require. Asserting the existence of God requires faith at every step, whereas asserting the existence of, say, evolution requires considerably less. We can see evolution in action, for example, as bacteria become resistant to antibiotics. It could be a fluke, sure. Maybe every single researcher who has observed this is either wrong or lying. It could be a massive conspiracy. It does take some faith to accept. But it takes less faith to accept it than to believe it's a conspiracy. And it takes much, MUCH less than the faith it takes to believe in gods.

**end note for the atheist her**

IT'S OK NOT TO BELIEVE

even him whom you don't want to
believe, doesn't even force you to
believe, like really,

It's your own choice to draft the
path for your own soul,

It's our own choice to draft our own
path,


it will all boil down to the end, where we
reached the same end of the road,


that is all....

>>732351816

*here*

>>732351608
No it doesn't require faith to prove eyes are real.

Can you explain how 'more faith" and "less faith" work? It seems binary.

Russel's teapot.
The burden of proof is up to the claimant.

By the way, I'm an apatheist : there must be an origin of some sort but it's not up to us, given our current knowledge of maths and universe stuff to speculate over its nature, therefore I don't care.

the best part about these threads are watching philosophy majors scramble to collect as many different words to say 'well we can't prove either way'

because really...we can't...

>>732353923
Yeah, that's why apatheism is a good way out : you still have a window for questions and stuff while steering away from dogmas and shit :D
Oh, and enjoying those threads :D

>>732353728
TIL

>>732354684
/b/ is world renowned for its educational virtues :D