GO VEGAN part 2

>>732244389

Historical cultures

Carnivore:
Eskimo

Vegetarian:
Jainist (with a high reliance on cheese and butter)

Omnivore:
All the rest

Vegan:
None

Go eat your own shit for your B12 like the cows do.

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"for the people"

What people are you saving not eating animal products?

>>732244710
Gorillas eat their own shit too, congrats

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>>732244559
Eskimos live in a part of the world where the conditions are too harsh to grow crops they dont have much choice same with Norway
But is saying that they grow plants to eat in Antarctica indoors with hydroponics

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>>732244914
And you have shit for brains

>>732244949
It is evidence of the viability of a meat based diet that lives normal full lived lives. Show me a vegan culture that did the same without eating B12 capsules that were grown from fecal bacteria.

>>732244389
>Plants have feelings too!!!
Just saving brainlets the trouble.

>>732245071
I could sell you some homemade B12, ripe for your consumption

>Vegan here.

Fuck other vegans shitposting their aunt-tier facebook bullshit all over the place.

I'M DRINKING LIQUID FROM A FACTORY FARMED ANIMAL AND EATING IT'S MEAT.

MAN, I WONDER WHAT THE WORLD WOULD BE LIKE IF NO ANIMALS ATE OTHER ANIMALS.
OH IT'S HEALTHIER? WHO GIVES A SHIT. WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. WHY NOT EAT AND DRINK SOMETHING THAT TASTES GOOD?
I GOT MY CAPS LOCK ON CRUISE CONTROL AND I'M COMING FOR YE ARSE.

>>732244389
The bible says that animals where put on this earth to be eaten. By refusing this gift you are disrespecting God
Enjoy hell

>>732244389
as if part one didn't suck enough.

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>>732244465
Being vegan changes nothing. It only makes you feel better about yourself, annoys others, and limits your options.

>>732244733
Grains that could be used to feed people are fed to livestock for the meat and dairy industry while people go starving because of it

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>>732246311

>>732244389

Honestly only plant-based (not vegan) for health reasons. If I didn't have a severe, debilitating disease that's treatable with a plant-based diet, I would be eating some tasty meat, dairy, and eggs right now.

>>732246440
People in 3rd worlds starve because their governments are totally fucked and don't care about the people. Regardless of what 1st world countries grow. That is like blaming african AIDs on the 1st world not sending enough retro-viral drugs

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>>732246509
there are so many questions to be asked about that pic. For starters, how does veganism promote peace?

>>732244733
Cops duh
Pic related

>>732246661
Watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG3FDHI1QSM

>>732246440
what about tons of fruit being dumped into the sea so the prices don't go too low? you gonna protest that too?

>>732246440

Except no. The grains used to feed livestock are not fit for human consumption.

>>732247087
I'm not watching some random 1½hour documentary. Give me the rundown.

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>>732244465
It is imposible feeding 100% of the world population only whit fuckin leafs, besides agriculture is a wast of whater

>>732247525
Watching it will change your life but you probably dont have the balls to watch it anyway

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>>732247714
You are an idiot; we are animals. We will always be animals. I wont stop being what evolution has made me, i wont stop eating meat and dominating all other life because that is what we are.
Will we crash and burn along the way? Most likely, but that is also natural. Dwelling on any other life than your own and those close to you is just that... unnatural

>>732247714
I really don't think it would though.
I honestly wouldn't care if the animals were tortured for months before slaughter.
Their meat is delicious and I'm a superior being.

>>732247171
The area used for growing it could be used to grow food for humans though and humans would get much more out of it

>>732244389

For every animal you don't eat, others will eat three.

>>732247973
I still bet you cant watch it

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>>732247964

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>>732244465


existence is founded in dead and suffering, even beauty need them to rise as it is, life has no inherent value, neither cotidianity, every being born in absurdity and dies in absurdity, life in the nature and life in the farm are equally absurd and painfull; freedom is a modern abstract concept, no animal has a notion of freedom, cause they follow a pre-determined ritual of life, as migrations, a cow can not see the difference between their natural absurd ritualism and human ritualism; most farm-animals has not even a notion of self. Your ethical posture, i assume, comes from your fear to pain and vicera and that's gay as fuck.

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As an actual rancher all yall are fucking idiots

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>>732248428
TIME TO FIND A NEW JOB

>>732248185
>women are a different species

I kill my own game, skin it, and grind it into sausage. Tastes good, and it fills my freezer for months. It's also very nutritious. I have nothing against veganism as a dietary choice. I just hate all these hippies who are shoving it down our throats all the time

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>>732248194
Also being killed and cook is way more aesthetic than die because of a kidney failure due age and then be eaten by maggots. Both are curel and absurd but the last has artistic value, life feels less pointless with art on it and if your body can be turn into one of the highest forms of art seems cool to me.

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>>732248745
And how long has the meat industry been shoving it down our throats for on TV?
And what is wrong with Hippys ?

>>732248989
Media is irrelevant. I'm talking about actual people. I've never met anybody trying to convince anyone to eat meat in a serious way. I do see vegans trying to make people give up meat however.
Hippies are annoying.

>>732248989
meat industry existed before television

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>>732248428

>>732249264
>everyone who don't share my ethic values is uninformed

>>732248428
What do you and a coal miner have in common you will need to find a new job soon

>>732244389
I ate vegan for a few weeks, i liked the food and i felt good. Then back on meat again.

Meat is good and it strengtens in the short perspective so now i and my woman have started to eat vegan 2 weeks and the meat one week of the month.

I have realized one thing i love vegan food, my wife unfortunately not so much.

So we mix, meat is ok but i love vegan, vegan is ok for my wife but she loves meat.

So we do 2 weeks vegan and one week meat. When i say meat i do not mean fish or seafood, only red meat.

>>732249965
Keep trying its not an easy thing to master if you want it you will get there. Nothing worth doing is ever easy

>>732244389

The fact that you chucklefucks try to take the moral high ground while earnestly implying that anybody who didn't have your sudden vegan inspiration must be fat and stupid is just hilarious to me.

You're worse than the missionaries that say they just want what's best for you and tell you to have fun in hell if you don't agree to sign up for their particular brand of sky god.

>>732244389
i have no compassion; violence against animals is not real violence; fuck animals; to help the planet, just don't eat beef, because cattle eat too much (more than you), the other animals are alright; fuck people? why would not eating animals help other people??

>>732246440
well, fuck people. there's already too many on this planet. let them die.

>>732247787
milk is way more tasty and nutritious than water....

>>732248185
what's the problem with ego? I don't see none.

>>732250640
Ok when do you leave ?

>>732251060
when i die. not rushing it.

or maybe I am? Eating all that meat, I am accelerating my death by colon cancer??

>>732244465
Meat tastes better than any vegan food.

>>732244389
Vegans still destroy habitats of animals to raise their gay food, so fuck off. Veganism is impossible

>>732244389
GO OMNI-LOW-CALORIE part 1

how do you feeel?

>>732248185
if I do not think that I am the best, who else is going to think that? my mom?

Fuck animals. I am a human and for me humans are the best (duh). And above all, for me, among all the humans I am the best, of course.

>>732251268
Yeah could be you better check your stool for blood

>>732251021
it's shaped like a fucking triangle, you dumbass.
>hurr durr triangles are fine
faggot

>>732251723
i mean, if I had to choose: either I die, or 100,000 little innocent children that I do not know die. It's obvious I'd choose to live.

>>732252048
and what's the problem of being on top??

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>>732252198
>on top of a triangle.

>>732252198
it's just an illusion? and what isn't?
that illusion makes me feel good.

>>732245663
Implying fruits arent delicious.
Implying we have to follow the other animal's rules.
Implying etc

>>732252352
on top of all the other beings.

or are you thinking that a triangle is a phallic symbol, and if i'm on top of it, it's like being on top of a cock? no problems with that either....

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>>732252198
You are not on top of anything not even a woman

>>732247964
Yeah evolution made you super powerful, but removed the intellect with which to wield it. Go play in the fiberglass, kiddo

>>732252491
Triangles have three peaks you idiot.

>>732252500
that would be the eco representation...

>>732251372
Oh, is a cocoa bean meat? How many plants do you use to spice that meat? You're such a nigger.

>>732247787
Fake news

GNC fag here. You need macronutrients; protein, fats, carbs, and sugar. You also need micronutrients, being vitamins and minerals.
It does not matter where you get these nutrients, just as long as you get the right amount of them.
Meat is not unhealthy.
Vegan diets are fine, just avoid soy, as it lowers testosterone in men.
Animals eat other animals all the time, it's no different when I, an animal, eats another animal for sustenance.
Vegans, stop talking about how the food you eat makes you better, and just eat your goddamn food

>>732252760
yes, and we live on earth, which has gravity, and as such here we have well defined up and down orientations. That triangle was represented with the peak containing the man on top.

Also, it could have been an isosceles triangle instead, which would have a distinct peak from the other two.

>>732244389
Honest question. I can see why no milk because to get enough milk you need to overproduce cows. But why no eggs? I can see being against factory farm eggs but chickens naturally lay eggs. There is no harm caused whatsoever by eating an unfertilized egg.

>>732244389
How about GO AN HERO instead?

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>>732253158
Finally.... A guy with a brain

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>>732253414
That would be fan-fucking-tastic

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>>732244389
I do not find hunting animals for food morally objectionable and have never heard a solid argument against it.

Slaughter farms, mass production, inhumane treatment, sure there's good arguments there. But someone hunting deer and raising their own chickens? Never heard a good moral argument. Vegans are morally self righteous cucks posting about their great virtues on devices made from conflict minerals mined in Africa. Most of them are insufferable too.

>>732244389
You're in the wrong place. The users of this board are human garbage.

>>732253158
>meat is not unhealthy
Yeah, because unhealthy can be defined as leading cause of diabetes, heart disease, etc.
It makes us better because we aren't doing it for fun, but because it is better. Its like you aren't trying.

>>732253538

> hunting deer
It's evil bastards like you who killed Bambi's mom.
You're not fit to live on this planet.

>>732253158
sorry, sir.
but this is a troll thread. no serious replys are allowed here.

>>732253174
Okay, peak being, can you defeat all those bacteria waiting to consume you from the inside?

>>732253572
oh my! and are there really humans who are not garbage??

>>732253690
Bullshit. The leading cause of diabetes and heart disease is inactivity along with poor eating choices. I eat meat all the time. My glyceride levels are fine, and my cholesterol is 121.
Just don't be a retard and exercise. That's why people are unhealthy, is because they don't do shit

Been vegan for over a year and it's so easy. If you're not vegan for ethical reasons, you're an evil blight upon the planet. Deal with it.

>>732253538
>murder of innocent species because you don't want to change your lifestyle
>has to be convinced by other people to do something
I'm the insufferable one.

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literally most of you

>>732253806
yes. am I not still alive after all those years?

besides... just because they have a different genome than most of my cells, doesn't mean they're not my cells too. I do not fight them, I work with them. And they seem to love all that meat I am always eating.

>>732253854

I'm better than garbage, I assure you.
Well, normal garbage. Not that sorted-into-different-containers-recycled-bio-thingy garbage. I don't quite cut it against that.

>>732244389
>Compassion
I have compassion for animals that matter, sure.
>Nonviolence
I don't advocate for the fighting of animals
>For the animals
Who eat meat
>For the planet
Sure, I guess. There's ways of doing sustained farming, it's just not as cheap.
>For the people
Uh, how is this different than for the planet?

>>732254006
and what's the news?
I am proud of being evil.

>>732253931
Exercise plus vegan is better than exercise plus meat
Just try veganism for a month, you'll never miss the slaughter

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>>732254006
>Calling me evil on /b/

>>732254095
When you die, peak being, an army of micro animals will claim your spot on the triangle, no?
Are you even at the top, then?

>>732254095
ahh... don't you love these sweet, sweet troll threads??

>>732254180
I'm not the guy you're replying to, but I was vegan for ~2 or so months, and yeah, meat is better, sorry.

Keto is better, I got some sick gainz m8

>>732254356
this was for
>>732254139

>>732244949
>don't grow crops in Norway
lol

>>732254140
>animals that matter
Oh great Anon, list which animals we vegans can stop caring for

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>>732254170
>>732254214
My m8s

>>732254180
That's why I hunt deer. It's a very lean meat, and it's killed naturally. By me.

>>732253294
Eggs are terrible for your health?

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Refute this.

>>732254506
Oh, naturally, like with your HANDS?

>>732248185
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>>732248185
woah nigga back up i value an octopus way more than a cow, those niggas crazy

>>732254480
Dogs and cats matter, so do endangered animals, and monkeys because they're smart, but beyond that fuck 'em

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>>732254638
More logic.

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>>732254676

>>732254347
when I die, some lesser human will take my spot on the top of the triangle, because although being inferior to me, it would still be superior to other non-human animals.

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> vegan = malnourished
kek

>>732254603
Eggs are delicious.

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>>732254702
Diet of the second longest living population on earth ever studied, first one is adventist vegans in california.

>>732254702
so.. eat all animals?

>>732254650
Yeah, I just sneak up behind it and snap its neck, MGS style

>>732254674
Dolphins are smarter than apes and monkeys. If I hunted every animal to scarcity, that is when you'll care?

>>732254095
I mean, I am so superior to them, that they work for me, they're mine!!

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>>732244389
hey did you know Hitler was a vegan

Give me a reason to go Vegan and I will try it
But I dont give a shit about animals/animal welfare, if its better for the planet or people, nor do I give a fuck about my own health or the health benefits yadda yadda yadda.
Im waiting

>>732254676
Name one cow that goes around killing mice and small rodents and I'll agree with you. Also, dogs aren't applicable, because they've evolved alongside us, so they're just better than pigs and always will be. Dogs have evolved to understand humans, as we have to them. It's special.

>>732254708
You would relinquish power to a nigger?

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>>732254779
Delicious =/= good =/= healthy
Kill yourself with food

>>732254889
Fair point, I'm not a fan of overfishing either, so put dolphins on the list that matter, I forgot about them, and also I'd like limited fishing and sustainable farms. Nothing wrong with that. Meat'd be more expensive, but it should be.

>be vegan
"I support the animals, hurr"
>don't do shit about starving and homeless human beings or people growing up in warzones
grats, pigs>people I guess

>>732254993
Because not eating meat literally makes your orgasms feel better

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>>732244389
FUCK VEGANS TO DEATH

>>732255104
Delicious does mean good.

There are benefits and drawbacks to eating everything, dude. Eggs have lots of micronutrients, they also have cheap, high quality protein. And cholesterol, which isn't great, but as long as you're not eating pure cholesterol on the daily, you're fine.

Eggs are good for you, most doctors agree, fuck off.

>>732254941
Nope, his favourite food was goose liver dumplings and stuffed dove. His own chef said so, he did care for animals though and was an opponent to vivisection. He wanted to be a vegetarian late in his life but never quite was, it was mostly a public image kind of thing to make him comparable to the contemporary gandhi.

True story.
I went to a birthday party for a vegan kid.
The dad had vegan sausages.
He put some zucchinis on a grill.

>>732254767
That faggy beard, I def don't want to be vegan if it makes me gay.

>>732255253
There's literally no evidence of this, and I'd rather have a steak and 75% of an orgasm than a salad and 100% of one.

>>732255020
i said a human would take my place, not an animal.

>>732248745
That is ethical way to eat meat, not like some pussy who buys his meat from supermarket. You have earned your meat, enjoy it.

>>732255108
Are you going to move the goalposts again or have I shown you the light?

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biology

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>>732244389
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>>732255351
marvelous!!

>>732255352
Delicious means you like the taste
Good is moral

>>732254767
fucking skinny as fuck

>>732255407
There is, you nigger.
I'd cite the source but this thread may die soon. Also kys.

>>732255073
>Normal people, vegans

So u went casual ?
Oh no ! U got casual !

Quick, do something nobody else does, u fucking hipster!

>>732255436
I wasn't moving the goalposts, I was realizing that I overlooked dolphins and the like.

Animals are less valuable to me, a person, than a person. And you really can't change that.

If given the choice between saving a kitten and an elderly woman, I'd choose the elderly woman, and so would you. If the kitten was a baby, you'd choose the baby because the baby has more life left to live.

>>732255352
Most doctors agree plant based diets are best

Stop being awful at argumentation

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>>732255351
Thank you, Mr. Himmler !

U got a promotion to Super-Ultra-Reichsführer-SS

>>732255656
"There's evidence, I just can't be bothered to show it"

Therefore, there's no evidence. Fuck off.

>>732255558
I eat eggs from my chickens that live in my backyard. I think they really have it made, so yeah, it's moral.

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I considered it but it seems to have too many downsides in regards to nutrients.

i only eat things from 120km around my home, thats a better way as veganism, vegan shit is 50% imported in my country thats just plain stupid to only eat 1000miles carried berrys to feel special

>>732255791
No, high protein low carb diets are best. With plants for fiber, but you're way oversimplifying it.

>>732255791
you probably think that a grain based diet and fluoridated water is healthy to.

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>>732255467
>Frugivorous

>>732255719
can't I opt for them both to die??

>>732255719
Humans are just as valueless as animals

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>>732255467
*Blocks your Path*

>>732255982
I guess you could, but that's not the point.

Here's the thing guys, it's absolutely true that we evolved our larger brains after we learned how to cook meat (which made it a more viable food source). You can't deny that, it's a fact.

>>732255999
Upside down devilish, you disgust me.

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>>732255500
THOSE DIGITS

>>732256063
ape is shot dead with one of my three mosins , next.

>>732255798
Ich bin Baron Von Bismarck.

>>732255999
yes, definitely. But since I am a person, I like my team (persons) more than others (non-human animals).

>>732255806
There's evidence, just do your own research, you inept fuck wit.
I'm not here to spoon feed you like an advertising firm. Fucking go out and find evidence, you useless stone.
Backyard chickens are for 3rd world people. You want your neighborhood to lose property value?

>>732256202
Fürst.

Its FÜRST.
Complete other thing

>>732255003
You did not get it at all, look at it again.

>>732256147
U cant be OP

>>732256203
You think the opposing "team" is gunning for your spot, or can you share?

>>732256081
I remember when Bearing argued this
and Vegan Gains made him look like a stupid cuck for over an hour

go watch, it's great!

>>732256081
No. No no no no. Mic the Vegan on YT shit on that notion with science. Eat shit, nigger

>>732244389
You monster! Those plants are living things! How dare you grow them in enclosed structures away from their natural habitats for the purpose of killing and devouring them!?

Save the plants! Eat meat!

>>732256261
>EDUCATE YOURSELF

Then don't argue the point.

I don't care about my property value, faggot.

By the way, I have done research. I just didn't find the same things you did. You're not Albert Einstein, you can be wrong.

Basically, you're telling me that it's wrong to exploit chickens in factory farms, but it's also bad to use them in your backyard for... some reason? Who doesn't benefit?

>>732255872
>>732255936
Plant based
Get nutrients from plants

>>732254702
I AM SILLY

>>732244559
"According to Jain texts, a śrāvaka (householder) shouldn't consume the four maha-vigai - wine, flesh, butter and honey" They also dont eat any eggs

>>732256599
Nigger, do proper research not Google, peer reviewed articles, fucking cuntstain

>>732255073
>live animals
Where are the trees on the vegan side, retard?

>>732256384
It's not about intelligence, it's about use.

>>732256494
>>732256520
Okay, anybody can look smart if they ignore factual evidence, so sure, I guess he "destroyed" bearing, but the evidence is there and it's true. You can't deny that it happened around the same time.

Also

>vegan youtubers

Literally the definition of the annoying vegan.

Vegan gains is literally a piece of shit.

>>732244389
thank you for this troll thread, op!
It was really fun!!

>>732255467
intellectually dishonest or ignorant of chimpanzees eating smaller primates.

You need to stop assuming that noone knows how to use google.

>>732255791
>Most doctors agree
"no"

>>732256722
Okay, there are peer reviewed articles that agree with me as well.

I'm so tired of vegans acting like they looked a bunch of shit up and really hit the books. They just want to feel superior. Fuck off, all of you. Eat what you're going to eat, you don't need to wear it on your chest as a badge of honor, fuckos.

>>732256771
Mic The Vegan uses science
Vegan gains eats animal products, is a shill

>>732256261
>just do your own research,
BURDEN
OF
PROOF

>>732245106
eating meat is pronominal cause of heart disease and cancer.
Why do vegans live longer than meat eaters?

>>732256423
the question is: can I not share?
I mean, I try my best not to share anything, but it is not possible. So I share the least possible.

Whats the problem of eating meat if u like it?

>>732256887
Where are those articles?
I only see the benefits of abstaining from the slaughter.
I'm so tired of moving goal posts, "but my chickens like it" and other stupid justifications about why we need to eat meat.
Go watch another commercial you unthinking faggot. Wait for someone to tell you what to like.

>>732256946
Yeah, idk about Mic, but don't pull up Vegan Gains in an argument like he's some messiah, he's an awful person who uses veganism as a pedestal to make himself feel better. So is Onision, except Onision doesn't just use veganism, that's not a high enough pedestal, he also uses feminism and cultural marxism.

The truth of the matter is nobody knows and nobody will know. Eat what you think is best for yourself, don't delude yourself into thinking that eating one way over another is going to add a single second to your life.

>>732257238
You're the one moving goalposts.

"Factory farms are bad"

Okay, I agree with you, I'm not using them

"Muh property value"

Fuck off, man. I never said that we "need" to eat meat, I want to and I will.

>>732256681
Jains eat ghee, their version of cooked butter.

>>732257074
saying that eating any meat is the cause of heart disease is intellectually dishonest , some meat as part of a balanced diet is healthy.

>>732246848
But that has two horns
It can't be a unicorn
Maybe a bicorn?

>>732257653
O wow didn't know that

>>732256970
>>732256970
This is the only acceptable response
Here, you halfbrained chimp: Dean & Lue, 2005
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/14746514020020040701
Etc

>>732257662
Oh yeah? What meat hasn't been linked to causing cancer? And why do vegans get cancer a lot less than meat eaters?

>>732244389
All the ethical arguments are about people's values which are subjective. Forget arguing that.

Instead how about consider it from a health perspective? Here's some simple objective statistics.

----
In 2008, cardiovascular deaths represented 30 percent of all global death.

Nearly 787,000 people in the U.S. died from heart disease, stroke and other
cardiovascular diseases in 2011. That’s about one of every three deaths in
America.
----

Ok. So you don't want to die of heart disease right? So what can you do to lower the chances of that?

Well it turns out you don't just have to lower the chance. You can literally prevent the disease all together and in fact reverse it if you already have it. This study showed the benefits of a plant based diet including its effect on coronary heart disease.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4315380/

So the conclusion any rational person would come to that wishes not to invite the number 1 cause of death into their life would be to eat a plant-based diet.

>>732257359
I said factory farms are bad for the chickens, your backyard is too. Nigger.

>>732257836
>pay to read
lol

>>732256771
>>732256771
>still doubtful that he got destroyed
intellectually dishonest..

>anybody can look smart if they ignore factual evidence
Vegan Gains showed sources of trusted anthropologists who did state that humans DID cook meat around the time of their brain growth, but they also COOKED CARBS

There's only denial on your part.

>Literally the definition of the annoying vegan.
any vegan that tells you that you're doing shit wrong is "annoying"
let me just morph into a doormat for your feelings to be safe

>>732257912
>Too retarded to read an abstract
Eat yourself

>>732257862
show me a peer reviewed piece of research data that displays this please.

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

You can't have a serious conversation about ethics, health, etc. or anything important on /b/ because the board moves too quickly. The best you can do is get people interested in the topic of veganism, but sadly we can't explain the situation in full in short enough time. Even if we could, it'd be deleted in 30 minutes due to how many new threads are constantly posted. So everyone here leaving shitty arguments against veganism: If you really care, do the research yourself and educate yourself.

I'd suggest starting at Earthlings / Forks Over Knives / Cowspiracy

>>732247537
0/10
Heard this argument a million times
>Vegans only eat leaves
>not enough planet surface area for leaves
>vegans = wrong

>>732258030
>New knowledge regarding the importance of vascular, endocrine, cellular, neural and psychological mechanisms in the pathophysiology of erectile dysfunction has led to changes in the theories of causation. Additionally several drugs can impair sexual function. These topics are reviewed herein.
Where is meat mentioned?

>>732257882
sure if you over eat red meat and don't excercise,
you also die if you eat corn too much.

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>>732258018
do we even have to link you a study when the World Health Organization states this?

>>732258315
>implying any good arguments have ever been made in these threads

>>732258081
read >>732258347

>>732258081
Lol
>meat causes cancer
>do not eat
>less cancer
Peer review needed?

>>732258420
>>732258347
>a screenshot of an article
Could be F12.

>>732258318
Is that both articles?

>>732258524
https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/world-health-organization-says-processed-meat-causes-cancer.html

>>732258564
>http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/14746514020020040701

>>732258318
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21624550

>>732253690

Ah shit, is this forum about refined sugar now?

>>732258654
Dean & Lue, 2005
Read it, nigger.

is cheese a vegan foods group?

I don't want the cancer

>>732258783
>no mention of meat

>>732258860
>2005
outdated

>>732258815
http://www.diabetescare.net/authors/clara-schneider/the-facts-on-red-meat-and-diabetes

have a read, sugar is not the problem that leads to diabetes.

>>732256815
Chimps diet is less than 2% meat on average. I was bored once and actually calculated their average calorie needs, used the 2% average, and using the calorie content from deer meat. It comes out to about 8 kg/year which means they eat meat equal to about 3 burgers/month but that is only in amount. If we translate wild game to beef it's 5.6kg/year 2 burgers/month. Thats hardly omnivorous, it's more like ritualistic hunting, the females eat even less meat.

>>732258476
actually ALL calories increase cancer , so a high energy diet is carcinogenic.

Yes evidence needed.

>>732258593
key word is PROCESSED!

Nice try fag.

>>732258887
Not dairy cheese, which has dairy(obviously) and frozen ground up calf stomach in it. There are vegan cheeses though.

>>732259202
citation needed.

>>732259358
Non-processed meat still contains LDL cholesterol and saturated fat, which still lead to heart disease and diabetes.

Are you dense, or are you being intellectually dishonest?

>>732247787
>but milk is sideproduct of cattle raising

>>732257882
Wow only reply
>>732258328
Literally two lines. I guess no one cares to receive new information here and would rather just reinforce their current eating habits.

@732259806
>being this desperate for (You)s

>>732259806
well I am healthy and I eat a range of food.
I also eat meat , chicken , beef , pork , lamb , venison , kangaroo etc.

I am 34 and have no heart issues.
I realise that I may be an exception to the rule , but I don't have cancer yet , but I am not an Amerifat.

>>732259438
Well i did the calculations myself, but got the 2% figure from averages of different sources, some say 1%, most say 2%, some say 3%. But never more, I picked 2% by combining and dividing the numbers by the amount of figures.

You can read here:

https://cherylknott.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/conklin-brittain-et-al-2006-energy-intake-by-wild-chimpanzees-and-orangutans.pdf

http://www-bcf.usc.edu/~stanford/chimphunt.html

http://www.chimpworlds.com/chimpanzee-feeding/

>>732259997
Great anecdote! Have any published research to justify your claims? I'm not trying to bash you and I think people should eat whatever they want but I don't understand the lack of actual data in these arguments.

>>732259570
In the United States, cholesterol levels are calculated in milligrams of cholesterol for each deciliter of blood. A result of under 200 mg per dL (5.2 mmol/L) is ideal. A level somewhere between 200 to 239 mg per dL (5.2 and 6.2 mmol/L) is within the edge line of high-risk class.

it is about a balanced diet http://www.cholesterolmenu.com/cholesterol-levels-chart/

Yes , too much LDL Cholesterol is terrible for you.
Some is not going to kill you with magic heart disease.

Heart disease is caused by over consumption and a sedentary lifestyle and drinking corn syrup all day.

Animals eat meat so why should i give a fuck. Honestly not having meat in my diet makes me feel shitty and weak. Real men eat meat plus just because i quit eating meat doesnt mean that any animals lives will be sparred unless this is bait keep your beliefs to yourself

>>732260154
as I said , I realise I may be an exception.

But red meat and other meats don't hurt me.

>>732260307
anyone that tells you not to eat meat is pushing an agenda . eat it or don't eat it , but don't allow a schill to push your diet direction.

Vegans are the feminists of the culinary world.

>>732259358
>>732259324

http://www.wcrf.org/sites/default/files/Second-Expert-Report.pdf

Chapter 4.3 and onwards, page 116 on page number but 141 on your browsers page counter.

>>732244389
pffffffffffffff

>>732260194
Okay you are wrong here, less than 140mg/dl total and 70mg/dl LDL is ideal, as in heart disease does not occur. 1/3 people die of hear disease, so yes, "some" also kills you.

also read: >>732260508

on red meat and cancer.

>>732260194
The only risk factor for heart disease is high LDL cholesterol

It's not necessary to raise it, and it can go down to LOW levels which eliminate the risk of heart disease. Thus a "balanced" diet is bullshit and not needed or wanted. The pros from meat consumption can be found in healthy foods, and the cons are outweighed.

>>732259997
These diseases usually occur after the age of 40, the atherosclerotic plaque takes a long time to build up and DNA damage that make way for cancer accumulate.

>>732244389
Gay

>>732260848
ok well just to fuck with you , I am going to eat less of the animals that I kill from now on.
I am going to kill some kangaroos in about an hour , I won't eat any of them , but I will have extra bacon with my eggs at breakfast.

>>732260895
Small correction, the only -independent- risk factor is elevated cholesterol. There are other risk factors, such as diabetes, weight, smoking etc. but high cholesterol is the only factor that can cause development of atheriosclerotic plaque independent of other factors.

>>732244389
go fuck yourself. I only eat food that screams while it dies.

>>732261398
So how often do you go on anti-smoking , anti-alcohol and anti-narcotics rants ?

Do you enjoy anything other than making other people be as miserable as you ?

>>732261369
I don't care, I am just here as a student of clinical nutrition setting the record straight.

There was a study done and it was found that vegans have a 23% higher chance of pedopheliac tendencies. Makes sense since most vegans come from california.

>>732261642
What are you talking about? I just corrected him. Besides those issues would fall under the umbrella of libertarian values, consuming animal products hurts other sentient being directly and necessarily, unless you just eat roadkill. I am all for people being able to kill themselves with tobacco, drugs and alcohol, thought I would prefer they didn't. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

>>732261462
underaged teenager detected

get off of my board you gotta be 18 to be here

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why veganism is unnecessary to be a part of

>you save the animals by not eating meat.
no. the companies sell their meat by orders. if a store buys 1-ton meat a week, and manage to go in plus economically, then they'll buy the equal amount next time. if they don't buy that, the slaughterer makes hotdogs, fish food, cat food etc out of the rest. if there are more vegans, then they are making meat cheaper, which means more people can afford it and eat it.

>you save the environment
how? by eating it? jk. you really don't though. you think you do because you think that you impact a number of animals farmers have. wrong. the slaughter houses buy them all. it's an increadible good and stable market for the farmers and meat is worth a lot. cows and such eat a lot of grass and stuff, and it's more damaging for the envirement to eat meat than plants, but by going vegan, nothing realy changes. all the meat gets bought and slaughtered anyways. the farmers make the meat, the slaughterhouses buys it and tends to it, then other corperation order from them. if no one buys it, then they sell to corporations from another country, lover the prices, throws it away, or just give it away for free to employees.
>cont

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>>732262299
>it's more healthy
not necessarily. it can be, but it doesn't taste as good. if you are a fat cunt, then sure, go vegan for a little while. that's the only good reason to go vegan. but then you do it for a diet, not for what other vegans do it for, and the vegan community will accept you as much as feminists accept pro-life women. in other words. you don't agree with all their shit, so you're excluded. but you'll be almost just as healthy if you eat mixed while working out regularly.

>meat eaters are racist and white
you just went full BuzzFeed mode. you'll just resent people from veganism at this point. good luck with the autism.

in conclusion. you don't save ANY animals, you don't help the environment ONE LITTLE BIT, and you have no reason to tell people you are better than anyone. the only possible thing you'll show is that you can't afford real food like the rest of us. yes, granted, the word is cruel and things suck for other people, but you can't do shit about it, so just accept it or chose to live in the pain you do if you refuse to.

>>732262116
I have no ethical qualms with killing animals , I hunt and I eat what I kill.

I don't hunt and/or eat people , because I am not a degenerate fuck.

I don't fish because I don't like eating fish.

>>732262552
you need all those people to join your cause if you want to change the world. but you just insult them. this is how retarded you are being. you are killing veganism by doing this.

>>732262552
I hunt and shoot animals dead , I am not cruel , but I do murder the fuck out of animals instantly.

>>732262299
>>732262527

1. If you don't think the market is controlled by demand then you don't understand economics.

2. Same shit.

3. Diarrhea of the mouth, nothing even resembling an argument.

4. No one claimed that.


Conclusion, you are an idiot and your copy pasta is pathetic.

>>732262621
fish is healthy dude. really really healthy. you should try it. it tasted better freshly caught with salt and an omelette. try smoked nordic salmon with omelette, salad and Mayonnaise in a sandwich or baguet. it's amazing. I don't like fish either, but that's my favourite food. it's ironic I know but just try it.

>>732260344
Have you had bloodwork done lately? Can you tell if they are truly damaging you? You've only said you haven't noticed anything not that it hasn't impacted you.

>>732262621
Well then you are ethically in the wrong.

I didn't say you hunt/kill humans, I said sentient beings.

Didn't ask.

>>732244389
I am too lazy, sorry

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Why animals have moral value:

P1- Humans are of moral value.

P2- There is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to deem ourself valueless.

C- Therefore without estabilishing such a trait in animals, we contradict ourselved by deeming animals valueless.

Argument for veganism from animal moral value:

P1- Animals are of moral value

P2- There is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to consider anything short of non-exploitation to be an adequate expression of respect for human moral value.

C- Therefore without establishing the absence of such a trait in animals, we contradict ourselves by considering anything short of non-exploitation(veganism) to be an adequate expression of respect for animal moral value.

>>732263194
I got blood work done in February , I am fine.

>>732263475
LDL/total cholesterol and A1c scores?

>>732262257
fuck you. go shove your vegan bullshit somewhere else.
you can eat whatever the fuck you want, I dont give a shit. but you dont see meat eaters trying to make vegans eat meat do you?

>>732263265
No , I am not ethically wrong , I just haven't evolved to the point of being a Californian , I don't find children sexually appealing either.

I will keep eating meat and having consensual sex with adults.

>>732263723
Will ignore the ad homs, refute this instead:
>>732263429

>>732263573
I don't have the paperwork in front of me , but the doctor said I was in good condition , but I did have to renew my Fluoxetine Hydrochloride prescription.

since i have crippling depression from being aspergic,

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>>732263045
>1. If you don't think the market is controlled by demand then you don't understand economics.
exactly. that's why it is how it is currently. everyone eats meat, and most of it is not even eaten by humans. the meat market is stable and just because I was to become a vegan, I'd just change my personal diet, nothing else. just as many animals would be killed and fed. if anything, meat would just become slightly cheaper, as it would be more available.

>3. Diarrhea of the mouth, nothing even resembling an argument.
dude. I'm on your side on that point. a vegan diet is usually more healthy than a meat diet. but it's not worth it for most people. that's why there are few vegans compared to meat eaters

conclusion. you don't understand basic economics and you don't agree with an argument that is an argument for your own cause. then you speak for everyone. you don't know if anyone claimed the last part. it's likely as most vegans are bleeding heart liberals from LA. the retardedness of this anon is over 9000

>>732263475
Your doctor's acceptable ranges of blood concentration is not necessarily whats actually considered healthy levels by medical literature. Just an FYI. Also do you not think the scores could be better without red meat given the overwhelming evidence that suggests this? I'm only trying to show you where I think your reasoning is faltering.

>>732263674
>vegan bullshit
i think you mean... facts

environmental destruction
heart disease
diabetes
osteoporosis
various cancers
obesity
unnecessary animal holocaust

all from animal agriculture and animal product consumption

>you can eat whatever the fuck you want
this is true, until it impacts the life of another innocent sentient creature, then it's a problem.

>but you dont see meat eaters trying to make vegans eat meat do you?
I do, daily, my family attacks me and people often mock me for eating a vegan diet, are you dense? oh yeah you're just a boy, you've got learning to do

>>732263930
I would not fuck a 10/10 woman if she was vegan or vegetation.

100% legitimate statement , total turn off and I would dump her if she turned.

>>732263907
Hows your c-reactive protein? A lot of research is pointing to inflammation (what c-reactive protein is a metric for) as a causal factor in depression.

>>732263723
if you consume meat you don't give a shit about ethics

supporting the animal holocaust is wrong, you can believe that subjective morality exists, but that's just silly.

>>732264036
now I am sad that you seem to be genuinely concerned for my health and not just some oppressive diet fag that spent 2 years at college to get a worthless degree.

for some reason I find it difficult to accept genuine concern and assistance , you seem to be a good person.

>>732255253
Woah, well I like your way of thinking anon I will look into this.

>>732264236
I also suffer from depression and anxiety. I've noticed since starting a plant based diet that my mental health has improved slightly. Now I'm not saying its cured me or anything but it certainly seems to help.

>>732263907
You can't trust that "in good condition" means "good". Given that heart disease is the number one cause of death and that you doctor is comparing to averages, it means nothing to be "not high" when the average is already too high. You need to be at or under 150mg/dl total and 70mg/dl LDL to actually be good as in "won't develop atheriosclerotic plaques".

>>732264161
I am depressed because I am a 34 year old male that has failed in his genetic mission to gain a female partner and reproduce , I can't have relationships with women past being a friend , because of my aspergers I am very uncomfortable with a physical relationship , it is a catch 22.

I need it , but cant have it because I don't want it.

It is a horrible existence and I am to much of a pussy to murder myself.


Red meat is the least of my issues.

>>732264073
same if she's being annoying about it. if she actually just keeps it to herself, I won't really care too much, to be honest.

>>732264487
more or less this , but I like to cook and I am not preparing two types of dishes because somebodies feelings get hurt about the animals.

>>732264452
How do you now what causes what? Have you actually tried eating vegan for even a week? Again not saying its gonna cure a problem outside of nutrition but I fail to see how you know the nutrition wouldn't play a role.

>>732264049
if people attack you because of your eating habits they are shitty people. simple.

If you eat mostly meat yeah, you will get all the diseases you mentioned, but if you keep a balanced diet you will be just fine (since humans are omnivores and all)
and tell me, do you get everything you need from eating or do you take vitamins, etc?

Btw, calling me a boy/kid doesnt make your argument more valid

>>732264452
Not a magic cure or anything but have you tried mindfullness meditation? There is a lot of promising research on it. I do it myself and it has helped me tremendously with stress and negative thoughts.

>>732264624
did you even read the post ?

not having a woman and not being able to be comfortable with a woman is horrendous.

>>732264738
meditation leads me to going to sleep , my jewish friend suggested it.

it failed.
I just want to die.

>>732264748
I did read it. I'm suggesting that perhaps a healthy diet would lead to a healthy mindset which may make being comfortable in situations such as with a woman easier. Sure that's a problem too but I don't see how you know that your physical health is not impacting your mindset.

>>732264885
aspergers is linked to diet ?

>>732264939
Now you aren't reading. I never said it'd cure your aspergers. I just said that it might help like how exposure therapy might help but not cure you. Im sorry you have a mental illness, I can sympathize as I struggle with mental illness myself.

>>732265121
>I'm suggesting that perhaps a healthy diet would lead to a healthy mindset which may make being comfortable in situations such as with a woman easier.


is this by creating a healthier brain chemistry ?

don't I need my fatty acids from meat for my brain ?

>>732264815
Man.. don't do it when sleepy then. Do it in the middle of the day, just start 10 minutes or so each day. Drink a cup of coffee before if you need to.

I know how it feels to want to die, I have been depressed my self, was really bad for about 4 years. Regular exercise, a healthy diet, meditation and an interest in psychology and philosophy helped me feel physically better and figure out myself when I had the energy. More than 5 years since I last felt the feeling of wanting to die.

>>732265121
also , depression as a gun owner in Australia is shit , because if I go and talk to someone about it , I lose my guns and guns make me happy through recreation.

>>732244465
A vegan cyclist has never won a stage in a major cycling tour because they're weak and slow

>>732265283
I'm not gonna pretend to know anything about diet and aspergers in particular but I know that with depression and anxiety inflammation is a large factor and reducing inflammation generally reduces symptoms of depression and anxiety. Plant based diets have less inflammatory foods so you'd be reducing inflammatory markers like c-reactive protein.

Contrary to popular belief there are plenty of plants that have good sources of fat. Chia seeds, flaxseeds, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, etc. Omega-3 is probably the most important fat you can get as the ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 is hugely out of proportion for the large amount of people. Most people have far to much omega-6. In fact, many company's sell flaxseed oil for example as a fat supplement for the omega-3 content.

>>732265724
live a long and unsatisfactory life as a vegan.

>>732265391
I honestly would suggest staying away from the doctor's office. In my own research I've been able to tell my doctor is actually just misinformed on a platitude of topics. Unless you want a prescription its generally a waste of time in my opinion.

>>732265770
inflammation of what ? joints ?
my joints are fine.

>>732265283
Not him but yes, many plants boost seratonin and reduce inflammation. Meat contains arachidonic acid and endotoxins(lipopolysaccharides) that cause inflammation and inflammation is closely related to depression. You do not need fatty acids from meat, it's a very poor source of omega 3's anyway(coldwater fish excluded). Omega 3's effect on health is very very small anyway but we can make it ourself from plant omega 3's(ALA) that can be found in nuts(macadamian, walnuts etc.) and seeds(flax, chia). If one really want to get more then there are supplement made from the plant algea that the fish gets theirs from.

>>732265892
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4820549/

Generally I have read that the inflammation is throughout the body but can be inflammation in the brain itself as well. The study I linked measured inflammatory markers and saw co-orelation with depressive symptoms.

>>732265892
Of your whole body, including your brain. It's called "low grade inflammation" and affects your whole body, it's not regular joint inflammation which is acute inflammation.

>>732264704
omnivores dont get heart disease

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>>732254050
Tell that to all the vegan stage winners in the tour of france oh wait you can't because there aren't any

Eutrophication due to large scale vegetable and fruit farming worldwide is responsible for a greater loss to biodiversity than worldwide meat production. Lignin vs glycine breakdown in a human metabolic pathway shows an omnivorous diet is intrinsically healthier for the human body given a specimen is following nutritional and dietary guidelines. If you dislike the way multinational corporations and NGO's are raping third world countries land, resources, human capital, and economy in the name of neo-imperialistic capitalism then either move to said third world country and fight the good fight, or stop buying pre-packaged, plastic wrapped, "organic", definitely tainted by Monsanto , fruits and veggies , and stop holding a higher moral standard over yourself because you're reverting back hundreds of thousands of years by dietary standards. Sources: PhD in biology, bachelor's in forensic anthropology, and bachelor's in ecology.

>>732266358
defeatism engaged.