would you have wanted a border wall back in 2013, before you

>>732079782
/b/ Tump supporters couldn't vote back in 2013.

If they could they would known Trump was making a fake promise to get their votes.

>>732080000
quads can't lie

>>732080000
Its me 4chan. Fuck off new fag and leave the quads at the door.

>>732079782
Yeah.

>>732080191
Been here all summer have you?

Newfags wanted Trump
Oldfags wanted Ron Paul

>>732079782
Yes.

I wanted one back in 2006 when Congress voted to build it but didn't vote to give it any funds.

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Considering a huge portion of the US-mexico border is the Rio Grande River and by building a wall we effectively cede the river to the mexicans?
No. You'd have to be pants on head retarded to support that.

And that doesn't even take into account the massive cost to taxpayers and the fact that it would be largely ineffective at stopping illegal immigrants and drugs. It's a symbolic action that doesn't do anything except dupe idiots into wasting their time and money, but hey Trump is the most talented person in the world with that skill set.

>>732080403
>Trump
>Ron Paul
both want a concrete border wall

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>>732079782
Yes. Just about any sane adult would. The only informed, mature people that don't want a secure border are the ones that want to profit from illegal immigrants

No. I lived in AZ for 25 years... a border wall is a colossal waste of money and wont accomplish anything.

Trunp has been around for a lot farther back than 2013.

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If you are not a racist, then you should support a secure border.

>>732080403
You got me i just signed up.

Lol u Americans don't even know u guys already built one and hell it seems to kinda work the SUV in the pic is a cartel vehecile left atop The anti-drug smuggling wall u already built Along the USA Mexico border

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>>732080779
>>732080669
>implying all or even a major portion of human trafficking is done through the US/Mexico border.
The wall wont stop it, not even going to slow it down. Criminals get around laws/barriers in one way or another. Even the Iron curtain with minefields, razorwire, and guards authorized to use deadly force could stop it completely

>>732080669
what the actual fuck are you thinking. if you live pretty much anywhere in the usa, you are profiting from illegals. they're picking your vegetables, cleaning your buildings, cooking your food, all kinds of shit. illegal immigrants are part of the supply chain that you take advantage of every day. to claim you are not profiting from illegals is ignorance of the highest caliber, and to say that in the same sentence as claiming to be informed and mature is just fucking absurd.

>>732080403

Retard detected

>when it comes to really solving the immigration problem he [Trump] gets it all wrong. And instead of making us more free and prosperous, his solutions will accelerate our downward slide toward authoritarianism.
>First let’s consider his idea of building a big wall between the US and Mexico. It is said that all one needs to get over an eight foot fence is a nine foot ladder. Or perhaps a shovel. So walls are never very good at keeping people out.
>No walls, no government databases, no biometric national ID cards.

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2016/september/05/how-to-solve-the-illegal-immigration-problem/

>>732080659
See >>732081582

>If the wall won't work unless there is guard posts, then why build the wall?
>Why not save money and build guard posts?
>Or save even more money and just up the border control budget.

The root answer to all this is Trump was never gonna build the wall, he just wanted your votes.

>What the fuck do you mean Trump's a conman?
t. idiots born after 2000

>>732079782
>before you had ever heard of Trump
Trump has been famous longer than most of us have been alive.

>>732079782
I've been on the border wall bandwagon since 2004...

fucking kids

>>732082137
that was before people were even talking about building a fence

>>732080669
Informed mature people know that a majority of illegal aliens in america flew into the country legally on an airplane with a VISA then never left, you colossal fucking retard.

>>732079782
Honestly, I thought there was one, and was very confused as to why there wasn't.

>>732079782
I fully support the wall... Until mexico gets airplanes... then the wall won't work. Let's hope they never get airplanes down there!

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>>732082929
There is one it's a wall alright but u can just use a a farm jack to lift the panels and just walk under them. look on YouTube for the vid it take it average Mexican 20seconds to climb and get over the wall that u Americans already built a wall that don't do shit u can just drive over it if u want to

>>732080669
If a bunch of smelly cuban niggers can get through 400+ miles of ocean on a blow up doll, what the fuck makes you think a wall will stop anyone?
All this wall will do is waste our money, you colossal faggot.

>>732082929
Half, pretty shitty though. The rest is just fenced.

>>732082683
The whole fence issue started with the Reagan administration...

they actually funded it back then as long as we gave the illegals here Amnesty....

>>732083656
I honestly don't understand why not just give another Amnesty to illegals, then they wouldn't be under the radar and would actually fucking pay taxes.

>>732079782
the wall is a horrible idea for a number of reasons. first of all its a fucking money pit, secondly it wont stop illegals who can afford a plane ticket, third it carries massive environmental impacts as far as animal migration patterns.

the wall will cost us nothing. ted cruz is making el chapo pay all his money to the wall and drug money from other cartels will build the entire wall

Considering there was bipartisan support for the wall when I was in highschool back in 2006, yes. I've supported the wall for over a decade.

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>>732079782
It's obvious every citizen wants protection from drugs, gangs, weapons and all the bad hombres. To say you never wanted a levee fence as a boarder wall and to pay for it upfront when you were told you wouldn't, is false and fake. Period.

>>732079782
No

I think it should actually be easier to get into Mexico.

>>732084081
>It's obvious every citizen wants protection from drugs, gangs, weapons and all the bad hombres.
>Drugs
The cartels main source of income is us. They won't let a silly wall stop them from making as much money as humanly possible. What we need to invest in is higher security, maybe some drones to patrol all night, literally anything is better than a primitive wall anyone can dig under.
>gangs
Gangs are a by-product of drugs, see above.
>weapons
Most of the weapons that the cartels get are illegally obtained from here, so those weapons are already in, they are actually going out.

>>732079782
no i want to shoot the wetbacks on sight.

>only way to stop people fleeing possible demise is to guarantee it.

>>732084081
if you are getting your weapons from mexico then you are doing it wrong, amigo. the weapons are in america.

>>732084081
he thinks he can say that because it's technically a levee wall, so he could call it a wall.
it's not as good as any wall design that we will actually build.
the structure needs concrete and barbed wire at the minimum to be a wall

Yes,spics are terrible people

>>732085036
I'd get used to it holmes.

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>>732079782
For as long as there has been these rampant spic welfare states I've wanted the wall...and not just some metal see through fence.

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>>732079782

>walls

https://youtu.be/uTzeWR57znE

yeap

>>732085238
steel is more expensive than concrete

>>732079782
>2013
>before I had heard of Trump

He was trying for the 2012 nom

>>732079782
Have wanted one since Carter was in office...
Why? Because forced busing.
Before that, I'd never seen a nigger or a wetter IRL. Suddenly, I had to deal with them every day.

Kill em all - nigs, spics, ragheads, and every kind of freak. Make the world a better place.

>>732087845
is it summer already?

>>732087845
Careful with that edge Cletus, you may end up cutting yourself.
Take the edge off, go fuck your sister-mother again.

lol i bet every faggot here is saying "Mexican cartels are bad!" yet they still buy pot and narcotics sourced from them.

>>732087923
The rest of my life is "summer" you fuck.
I left parts in Iraq.

Now go to bed, it's way past time for you to sucking a binky or something

Of course I wanted one in 2013.

He'll, don't you remember when the democrats promised us a border wall in the 90's and every liberal went nuts with joy?

https://youtu.be/Y7AXizmhgi0

>>732080576
Yeh people don't really take into account the river and the environment. Also it wont stop people from coming. If you really want to stop the flow cut welfare and benefits and throw out anyone who doesn't have papers. Do that and you'll solve the issues. But, considering its barely an issue at all nothing will be done.

I've always said we should dig a mile-wide moat and fill it with alligators, then line it with machine gun nests. Trump is a worthless cunt who will set the movement back by decades, we fucked up.

>>732088198
>I left parts in Iraq.
You left you brain there too, faggot?

>>732088198
That explains the edgy. You were molded into a crayon eater and now you have nothing to press your rage-boner against

>>732079782
I was naive and thought we already had one but thanks to trump i know the truth and its fucking bad.

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>>732079782
>2013, before you had ever heard of Trump
do you think this is the first time he's ran for president?

>>732088344
>now you have nothing to press your rage-boner against

You'd do just fine, in that regard.
Struggle a little more. It's what love is made of

>>732088600
>trying this hard
lol fag

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>>732079782
Walls dead. Its a levee to prevent flooding now

Pacos can fly over it now anyways

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>>732090054

pumb

>>732090054
>>732090110
has Trump election and presidency changed your political views at all?

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>>732090314
Ich bin Deutscher und die Antwort ist "nein", Ich fand Amerika schon immer kurios (auf eine gute Art).
Trump ist wahrscheinlich der amerikanischste aller amerikanischen Präsidenten. Und ich glaube, dass er entweder als der beste ODER der schlechteste Präsident der US-Geschichte wird, der Mann ist ein lebendes Extrem.
Got me?

>>732079782
Born and raised in southern California.
of fucking course I'd have wanted a wall.

>>732079782
Yes

No, because I have a basic understanding of the world.

>>732091770
>understanding of the world
you looked at a globe and saw all the countries have lines around them.
borders are lines in the sand.
now we all know.

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>>732079782
Not one that cost ~20 billion dollars

>>732092484
Im not sure how people think even 50 billion is expensive to the US.

How much has the US spent on the F22 fighter program? How much on uncrewed and unneeded tanks sitting under tarps?
A single aircraft carrier?

>>732092950
we fund entitlement programs
we fund NEETbux

>>732079782
Kinda thought we always had one tbw... kinda stupid not to..

>>732079782
Wall is a waste of money,
if a uneducated beaner who doesn't know english can take your job, your a fucking loser.
immigration has been going down since like 07. buy some new jets or something don't waste my taxes on this stupid shit.

>>732083522
coast guard

>>732095235
we only have to pay for the wall one time and it solves many chronic issues of US border security and illegal immigration

>>732095235
>your

the wall isn't for today's immigration problems...

Sure they can overstay visas or go through the ocean..

If climate change is real, then in a couple years the equatorial beaner regions will become uninhabitable. Illegal immigration will be nothing compared to the human flood of millions trying to get north. The wall will help hold the masses back

>>732096173
that's cool that it self-repairs and requires nobody to watch it

>>732096635
right now our border patrol is ineffective because the illegals walk in without any obstacle.
building the wall will make guarding the border much simpler because a reinforced concrete wall will take a long time to breach and few will attempt to get past

>>732092950
>How much has the US spent on the F22 fighter program?
$1.5 Trillion. For a fighter jet prone to crashing in the rain that will also probably crash if the pilot is under a certain weight.

>>732095235
>buy some new jets or something
>don't waste my taxes on this stupid shit
wat

>>732097645
Basically this.
Stereotypes don't spawn out of nowhere, mexicans are fucking lazy. Right now they literally just walk across, and are so lazy that instead of buying a map and spending a few minutes planning a route, they just pay a coyote to lead them to a spot to cross into an american city.
a concrete wall would stop 99.99% of mexicans from even trying. Too much work for them.

>>732096433
If we're building the wall on the assumption that climate change is real and presents that much of a risk why not just fight climate change?

>>732097965
>fight climate change

This something puppets and politicians trying to con puppets say.
Climate change is a natural process, unstoppable and inevitable. Human effect is exaggerated to an absurd degree for the sake of squeezing tax dollars out of saps

We might as well start fighting gravity to slow aging.

>>732079782
Sure. Take a time trip, anon:

RATM:

"It's hard ta breathe wit Wilson's head around my throat
Strangled and mangled another SS curtain call
When I tried ta cross tha white wall
When I tried ta cross tha white walls"

http://songmeanings com/songs/view/507/

In 2002:

"this song was written in response to the building of a wall, constructed as soon as the Berlin wall fell, between the border of the US and Mexico. there is a history of conflicts along this border concerning immigration. 'wilson's hand round my throat' refers to the republican governor who campaigned entirely on an anti-immigration platform. there are various references here to Latin history &culture, like 'path is Luminoso' which refers to the Shining Path, a revolutionary group in Peru, or Kid Cisco, a Mexican cowboyish type of hero among others. "

didn't the walls/barriers that the Balkan countries built in a matter of weeks to stop migrants work well?

Can the US just hire those builders?

>>732098667
US could get use immigrant builders. They're cheaper and their economy relies on them. Both ways.

>>732099245
>economy relies on them

No it doesn't, at all. They deteriorate the economy.
Immigrant workers are a major factor in income inequality.
Cheap labor =/= more money for teh economy
Cheap labor = more money in teh guy at the top's wallet.

Immigrant workers make individuals rich, while driving down the wages of current citizens.
"They do jobs Americans won't" - not true. They do jobs for a fraction for what an american would, making that profession unfeasible for citizens.
Consider landscapers in the US, disposable minimum wage shit jobs. Barely get by.
In canada? where there are few to no illegals? Landscapers make good money, above the national average, and live good lives.

The economy relies on immigrant workers like cars rely on square wooden wheels to work.

>>732080779
most illegals come plane with visa. Their visa expire and THEN you can deport them fgt. A wall wont solve shit. Your migrantion rate from mexico is btw at an all-time low. Moxico is doing pretty well in economy right now

>>732079782
No. I'm an AZ native, and even as the drug war was at its worst and there were more and more reports of drug related kidnappings and violence in my city, I knew a wall wouldn't do anything to stop it.

A wall won't do anything except waste fucking money. This has nothing to do with politics, just a fucking fact. The actual fucking scope and scale of the desert is immense. It just doesn't make sense with the topography.

What WILL deter illegal activity on the border is policy reform and more equipment/manpower.

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>>732080576

>Rio Grande River

River Big River