Why are you a liberal?

>>731808402
Because I love my fellow man, and want a better future for all our children.

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>>731808402
Forks can only do one thing

There is too much greed and fear in our country.

>>731808541
Retarded forks can do 0

>>731808571
You can still use that fork. If you can't then perhaps you're the retarded one.

>>731808488
Republicans can say the same too. Principled conservaties also take in to account that things like cause and effect exist and that you can't always do what is 'good' because it helps our fellow man, because it may have long term negative consequences.

>>731808660
I can eat my own poop on daily basis also

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>>731808660
That fork is a burden on everyone and despite being able to awkwardly use it, it would be better for everyone if the fork were gone.

>>731808402
As a child, I was taught to treat others with decency and respect.

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>>731808402
I see disposability.

>>731808960
What a waste of perfectly good eating utensils. You bourgeoisie pigs need to be killed.

I'm not a bigot.

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>>731809076
Is it because its handle is bigger than other forks'?
Is it because it can slay any spoon it wants?
What is it?
>envy

We live in a society with a lot of shitty useless people. The options are to kill all the shitty people or to try and take care of them (or else they start rioting and fucking shit up even more for everyone else).

Eugenics is a slippery slope and is generally not all that popular...so taking care of shitty people at the cost of some economic progress seems like the better option.

Also we have growing economic inequality already and I don't see any realistic way that deregulation will cause the rich to not try and consolidate even more wealth.

>>731808402
what does a liberal actually mean in the us, politically?
I'm really curious since I'm not american

>>731808402
I autistic

>>731808402
>Being unique is dumb
>Inverts original colors before posting

>>731809319
>this

Words have different meanings globally.

What is a classic libertarian in Europe is different to an American libertarian.

Please define terms desu

>>731809493
Everyone is unique. I'm just more unique.

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Can't into this so better off telling everyone their dumb

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Any spoon.

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>>731809749
>look mom I bent a fork
It's wasteful and any deviantart fag could do the same thing if they could afford metal cutlery

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to prevent the creation of offensive memes.

>>731808402
Because I'm a moron and you're a racist homophobe

>>731808402
>>731809913
The problem is in the user not in the fork. Anyone can do anything, but can they.

>>731809913
Is still pretty to look.

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>>731809918
To unite all autists within our nation

Because I don't let a poorly-written thousand-year-old book make all my decisions for me.

>>731809642
>>731809319

Typically, anAmericanwho is in support of more personal freedoms, (the right for everyone to vote, marry, protest, etc.) but less economic freedom (in favor of regulated economy and higher taxes for the rich). Aliberalfalls to the left of the center on a lateral political spectrum, as opposed to a conservative, who falls to the right. A conservative tends to support more economic freedom (less regulation of business and lower taxes for everyone) but less personal freedom (e.g. only straights should be allowed to marry,sexshould only be between married heterosexuals, recreational drugs should be illegal)

>>731808731
>all our children.
>all
>Republicans can say the same too.
No they can't. Don't even try.

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>>731810277

O look other forks are sure as fuck not retarded.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wtA-gLpGQzI

>>731810305

I've always found this dichotomy interesting. Are personal/economic freedoms considered necessarily mutually exclusive?

Why do conservatives treat traditionalism as the holy grail of worldviews when progressive approaches are literally the only way for the world to improve?

Why do liberals assume all conservatives are selfish cockwombles?

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>>731810442
>bible verses in place of real arguments

Because I love my country and am not a fucking retard.

>>731810375
Sure they can. Why can't they? What makes you think your opinion is better then theirs?

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>>731810898
Sincerely kill yourself. It's not like you have a God to fear for doing it.

>>731810848
When economic freedoms intrude on personal freedoms they are mutually exclusive. There are many examples of this but usually it comes down to businesses intruding on an individuals right to privacy.

As for conservatives an traditionalism, at least in America, they seem to use this as a tactic to appeal to the general population, the 99%, who always seem to believe that America has lost its way and things were better in the past and they are only going to get worse unless you elect me. Hence, "Make America Great Again". It's an old tactic, but it works.

>>731808731
That's why they kicked 20+ million fellow countrymen out of healthcare?

>>731811145
Does this comic implies that the God of Reverse Psychology is gay ?

>>731810848
Probably it's the structire of American society, which reflects power relations of the ruling class, and thus gives certain traits to so-called "conservatives" (the representatives of the ruling class) and their opposition (or another wing of the ruling class?) - the "progressives". But Americans are too arrogant to understand than most people in this world don't think like Americans, using their American political notions that actually are highly exotic and are alien even to European countries.

>>731808488
fpbp tbh /thread

>>731812097
This is only considered a bad thing if you think access to health care is a human right. It appears many conservatives in power in the US do not.

>>731808731
This is garbage and you know it. If you didn't you wouldn't have had the urge to even write this junk. Republicans care about conserving their own wealth and if you think any differently you need to be educated.

>>731812861
A true asshole

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>>731808731
gr9 b9 m9

>>731808488
>because I like to virtue signal without actually doing anything to improve the future for anyone

>>731808402
>Why are you a liberal?

Why are you a fucktard throwback asshole?

I'm not a liberal because I'm not mentally retarded.

Because the conservative mindset is flat out fucking RETARDED. Anti-intellect, anti-science, anti-rights, anti-women, anti-everything,.

Just basically mean, stupid, shitty people trying to DRAG everybody else down with them.

No fucking thanks.

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>>731813524
Grow up

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>>731809290
>the most level headed response in the thread
>ignored for easier troll targets

Underrated. I see you, anon.

>>731808402
Because I have a soul.

>>731813524
>Just basically mean, stupid, shitty people trying to DRAG everybody else down with them.
it's not just that, there's BIG MONEY supporting them
otherwise noone cares

>>731813524
liberals believe there are 62 genders, that's not science. Also women don't need more welfare and ""free"" government programs. That just creates dependence and expands our wasteful government. A good government is a small government, kill yourself pinko

>>731813607

You can't deny one word of it. It's 100% true. Conservatives are throwbacks. Fearmongers. Paralyzed with bias and a false sense of importance. Normal people stay out of the business of others. Not these assholes.

>>731813607
>grow up
>fox news
Pick one

>>731813438
This.
Can we be friends?

>>731813252
I think that was the point. Conservatives don't give a shit about anyone other than their in group.

>>731813607
10/10 would bang

>>731813607
Not the guy you're responding to, but you can't pretend that the Republicans didn't just spend the past 8 years being the contrarian party and primarily fighting against whatever Obama suggested (even if it was previously a Republican plan...).

Now the Republicans biggest issues are anti-healthcare (both the ACA and contraceptives for some reason), anti-immigrant policies.

>>731809290
>Eugenics is a slippery slope and is generally not all that popular
The Nazis were shitcunts in general but I think this is what I'm angriest toward them for - fucking up the whole world's view of eugenics.

>>731813524
>Anti-science
>Claiming there are more then two genders
>not a hypocrite

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>>731810171
Antifa rules!

>>731813864
CRISPER is eugenics and it's pretty popular with people

>>731813687
Unfortunately that's like 90% of my posts on 4chan...
Thanks for the support.

>>731813438
I'm in school to be a teacher. I want to teach history to children to better our future. How is that merely "a signal"?

>>731813252
Yes, this is only a bad thing if you like to have health insurance...

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Because anthropogenic climate change is very important.
Because healthcare should be socialized and universal.
Because businesses and corporations are not people.
Because the rich should not benefit from the poor suffering.
Because public university fees should be heavily subsidized.
Because the internet is so important and needs to be freed from Jewish ISP monopolies.

>>731814037
because it has nothing to do with politics. There is nothing inherently good about voting for one party or the other. You are voting for your best interests like everyone else but you try and make it a fucking moral issue because you want to virtue signal. You drink that fucking democrat coolaid and you work a government job you fucking communist

>>731813743
Poor women absolutely need more "free" government programs.

I want poor women who don't want children to have free, immediate, super fucking convenient abortions. Have the doctor come to their house and do it on the taxpayer dime immediately if needed.

Free contraceptives and even an abortion cost WAY less taxpayer money over time than the shitty child a stupid poor person who couldn't give a fuck to even put on a condom would raise.

Stupid people raise stupid kids. Stupid kids are more likely to be poor and/or go to prison. Poor people and prisoners cost taxpayers a lot of money.

>>731813954
SSSHHHHHHHHHHH

Don't use the fucking word. Don't fuck it up!

>>731809290
>We live in a society with a lot of shitty useless people. The options are to kill all the shitty people or to try and take care of them (or else they start rioting and fucking shit up even more for everyone else).
You've missed a third, tho hopefully optimistic, option of educating them into a position where they can care for themselves without the need to rely upon others for self-sufficiency.

>...so taking care of shitty people at the cost of some economic progress seems like the better option.
But taking care of people in lue of "economic progress" will inevitably fail because without first advancing the cause of garnering and maintaining wealth for oneself, one can not take care of others.

>Also we have growing economic inequality already and I don't see any realistic way that deregulation will cause the rich to not try and consolidate even more wealth.
I agree, but I think we should teach people how to manage money vs deregulation as a whole. If anything, I think some regulations are actually beneficial to mega corps because it makes more red tape for the smaller ones to grow, but I do agree that deregulating the economy without first considering all the ramifications will allow the rich to become richer ... I also think it holds the poor back. It's complicated to say the least.

>>731814395
>housecall abortions

kek. I'm okay with this.

But won't that make it harder for conservatards to picket abortion?

>>731808402
Because history, logic, facts, science, and well, just about everything ever, confirms that liberal ideology has the best interests of humanity in mind and they continue to push the human race further. There's no sense being a traditionalist on the wrong side of history.

thousands of years ago people thought drinking blood gave you super powers and fucking a dude in the ass caused the Gods to kill their crops. Hundreds of years ago people thought that blacks were basically horses and sold them as an all-in-one workhorse/sex toy. Decades ago people actually believed women were incapable of enjoying sex and only men could orgasm.

My point is that morality and worldviews evolve over time. Holding on to a woldview from the 1980's makes no sense. It's moving forward. Conservatives are stuck in the past. They want to buy oil and build factories and praise Jesus, but the world is moving towards secularism and modernized technology. Without these backwards traditionalists we'd already be planning Martian colonies by now.

New research proves gender is a construct and a spectrum. New research proves that fossil fuels are archaic and obsolete. New research proves eating meat is not only completely unnecessary but a complete and total waste of resources. New research proves we're fucking this planet up and ruining it for our own species. New research proves factory jobs aren't ever coming back. New research proves socialized healthcare provides better quality of care and better medical resources to more people. Research proves that investing in social programs and giving a leg up to the dregs of society and funding women's programs and youth basketball and all that stupid shit decreases crime and leads to a more educated and productive society. Research proves decriminalizing drugs reduces crime and death.

>>731814395
>I want to government to steal your money
>and give it to women
>so they can kill their children
>for free
>for the good of society
>because if we didn't
>they would be poor or a criminal
>so we should kill them before that happens
wew lad the party of compassion, love, and tolerance

>>731814659
Liberal ideology is objectively correct on most things. Conservatives excel in just 3 key areas - immigration, blowing religious zealots up, and whining about economics while obliviously spending more money on a military we barely use than we spend on everything else in this country combined.

There is no world where conservative values are objectively correct, and they don't even appear to be unless you twist statistical data and research and cherry pick excessively to support right wing claims.

It makes sense that God is the mascot of the right, they make shit up all the time and they're hypocrites - and their mascot is a made up hypocritical sky diety.

I realize most college aged liberals are irritating cunts, but that has nothing to do with the ideology itself. Most adult conservatives are also self-righteous cunts. It's a problem with the human condition, not our political alignments.

TL;DR - The right wing is rooted in traditionalism and bullshit. Liberalism is rooted in fact.

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>>731814659
>trying to use facts
>against conservatards

Good luck, anon.

>>731814659
Liberalism results in low birth rates which will ultimately lead to the destruction of the west, just like is happening in Japan. The destruction of the nuclear family and importing poorly educated immigrants to make up for the children that are aborted or never had is a huge issue. You need there to be people to pay taxes when you are old.

>>731814736
Not him but niggers get abortions more than any other race
If there is one thing conservatives should agree on is the need for less niggers in the world

>>731814736
I'm sorry, what party am I with? All the parties are messed up and they are all more interested in personal power than anything else. I do think the Republicans are more out of hand with this stuff, but the top Dems aren't that great either.

When did I every say anything about being compassionate, loving, or tolerant? All I want is a productive society with people who don't fuck up other people's shit. Tell me a more logical or realistic way to get there and I'll support it.

>>731814659
>>731814892
10/10 post. Based as fuck.

>>731815152
just saying pro abortion progressives like you are pieces of shit. If you go around saying progressive talking points people will assume you are a progressive liberal

>>731808402
Why the fuck do people in the US not know what liberal means? Every time I see one of you eagle-fuckers use the word, it's the exact opposite of the definition.

lib·er·al
adjective

3. (in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform.
"a liberal democratic state"

Stop fucking up the English language, you mongoloids.

Because I look at Iceland with envy. Look what's wrong with our society.

>>731815407
pretty sure because we went to the moon, invented computers and the internet and nuked japan we can do and say whatever we want

>>731815513
yeah I wish I lived in an all white country too.

>>731815407
Come on bro, they're just using the word liberally

>>731815407
>favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform.
literally definition of Trump

>>731815407
Democrats have hijacked the word

>>731814536
We're probably talking past eachother on a few points.

I think your points about educating people and teaching them to be self-sufficient are a little *too* optimistic in two ways. There are a lot of stupid and lazy people who don't want to be educated and forcing them to be educated would cost even more money, and there are a LOT of people who rely on government programs not because they don't want to be self-sufficient, but because they don't have access. I'm a Workers' Compensation lawyer. I see a lot of both groups, people who have to look for work to keep their benefits. Some scream and cry because they have to apply to jobs to get their money, and no matter how much I explain to them that they will be financially better off working I cannot get through to them, and another group that legitimately WANTS to work, and cannot find a job despite their best efforts because of a shitty thing that happened to them that they had no control over.

On your other point, less regulation on small business is good, I like competition, but we definitely need more regulation on bigger/richer sectors like finance that can literally topple the entire economy when they get too greedy.

>>731815665
Yeah, no.

>>731815665
>individual liberty
If you're white

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>>731815397
>people will assume
>that is somehow anyone's problem but theirs

>>731815771
go back to plebbit nigger this websites is for white people

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>>731808916
That fucking bird is why we have a literal piss lord in office.

>>731815875
did you really want an old pandering communist kike to be president?

Why is England a shit hole?

>>731815953
muslims

>>731815953
oh and the polish

>>731815953
inbreeding

>>731815988
Fair point

>>731816008
correct, inbred muslims. About half of them in england are inbred

>>731815638
It's not about race and that's you're problem. You use identity politics to justify your beliefs and to scapegoat minorites. Immigrants illegal and otherwise are statistically less likely to commit crimes. You use outliers to justify scapegoating and spending billions on a wall and security. Meanwhile you allow people who are known to be mentally ill to buy guns. Obama tried to make it so you couldn't both receive money from the government for your mental illnesses and buy guns. Trump stopped that from ever being implemented. Then when some nut shoots up an elementary school you're all "it's not the guns, it's the mental illness". Also you want to censor TV just in case some mental patient gets triggered. You think the second amendment is more important than the first.

Fuck you racist motherfuckers. Ireland is a mostly white country and they've been blowing each other up over religion and politics since when?

>>731815875
>he believes a dossier made up of 31 pages of /pol/ shitposts

>>731813845
>muh guns

I love how red staters think they're the only ones with guns.

>>731816118
i don't give a fuck. i hate mexicans and niggers and you sound like one too. all the non-whites can fucking leave

>>731815932
Better than an old, angry, schizophrenic oompa loompa

>>731816174
>he thinks /pol/ is in any way relevant

Just remember, that gif was Trump's idea.

>>731815932
did you really want an bigot old retard that can't even hold herself on her feet and can't help but mention 9/11 and her husband every five minutes to be president?

>>731816237
he went to the nra and likes guns and wants me to pay less taxes. literally based. if you don't like guns and low taxes you are probably a woman

>>731816194
Well Michigan and Wisconsin are going red. So yes.

>>731808402
mainly because it's less extreme of the two. I have no love of muslims, globalism or illegals given the choice between that and more authoritarianism I'll take my chances with the hajis before I take my chances with uncle sam.

>>731816359
no i voted trump fuck democrats

>>731816196
>all the non-whites can fucking leave
Ok but since thats never going to happen why dont you try pretending to be a mature adult?

>>731815932
No, just a competent person. Thankfully, all his voters will die off now that their medical benefits are about to get cut.

>>731808402
what you americans need to understand is that other countries "left" and "right" sides are different than in USA. French left for example is different in a lot of ways from US liberals.
I consider myself a leftist but I hate american liberal ideology.

>>731816359
Minus the husband you basically have Trump. Only every 30 seconds he talks about Hillary and how he's so much better than her.

>>731816431
on a long enough timeline, it will happen

>>731816237
Hur Hur le Orange Cheeto Fuhrer amirite??? XDD

>>731816368
michgan and wisconson were progun when they were blue. But they're very luke warm states probably the last bastion of moderates in the US.

>>731816118
The gun lobby (not just specifically the NRA) makes a LOT of money off these guys and figured out a long time ago that there are a lot of people who get a sense of safety from owning firearms. They've spent decades priming them that the government is looking to take away all your guns (thus their sense of safety), add some scare tactics to that about the scary foreigners that you need to protect yourself from with all your guns and now you have heavily armed, poorly educated people who will fight on your behalf to prevent any legislation that might lower gun sales while also causing them to buy more guns.

They have this shit down.

>>731816446
Yeah, the American left isn't best...

But the Right is literally cancer. There's nothing excusable about their love of ignorance and backwards thinking. The worst thing about Hillary was she was viewed as a Centrist by the Left and a Liberal by the Right. No side wanted her, which is exactly what the Media wanted.

Fox gets their guy in, CNN gets Trump's idiocy to make fun of. If Hillary was in office, then what?

>>731809290
You're too good for this board. Get out.

>>731816585
No, it won't. Society becomes more inclusive with each passing generation and the people who think like you are becoming more of a minority. Would you like to answer the question again without being a complete retard?

You have no idea what Americans sare

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>>731816196
>>731815988
>>731816086

>>731809290
Eugenics is flawed because there's no guarantee in it.

>>731816659
bill clinton banned sporting rifles for 10 years. The only reason they aren't taking our guns now is because it's politically very unpopular. If it was politically popular they would gladly do an australian style gun ban.

>>731816585
African Americans used to be objects, now they don't.

>>731816887
actually white people are getting pretty sick of it and we are ready to know you niggers the fuck out

Everything right wing related seems ignorant, arrogant, short sighted and just retarded to me.

No one will ever change my mind about that.

>>731817114
There is literally no reason to have a gun aside from some notion of insecurity a person would have. Rather than channeling that insecurity and joining the military and/or police, American fags cling to 'muh guns' until they end up killing themselves and/or others with it.

There should be a natural suspicion of anyone who wants a gun but doesn't want to be a cop or soldier.

>>731808402
> implying that being useful makes you unique

>>731809319
Left-wing, big government, communism, the three main buzz words

>>731817247
>50 year old white people are

The young whites who are fine with it get labeled as snowflakes and dismissed.

>>731817252
that wasn't even an argument. It was just you being ignorant, arrogant, short sighted and just retarded to me.

>>731817336
>your money must fund x corporations
>government tells women what to do with their bodies
>all taxes go to fund imperialism

Yeah, the right loves liberty.

>>731817273
I carry a gun so that if I nigger tries to rob me I can shoot them in self defense.

>>731817341
generation z is the most conservative generation since wwII because they don't want to be like loser millenials

>>731817467
Wow. Literally this is the perfect example as to why the Australians have the right idea. This guy has the ability to easily kill someone. Meanwhile, Black people literally scare the piss out of him.

> implying that race is the issue

>>731815039
>Low birth rates
We're over-populated anyways dumbass, low birthrates are a good thing.
>importing poorly educated immigrants
which I already said was one of the few bad ideas in the Liberal camp.

You brought up Japan, which is a good point - Japan is severely overpopulated and has kind of a weird culture - mostly because we nuked them 70 years ago. You have to understand that when you compare two countries you have to take into account their histories and differences and note how those things would change the application of certain ideals.

>>731812097
boy your own fucking healthcare like an adult you massive faggot. No it's not a right, especially if it comes at the expense of anyone else but you.

>>731817273
Take a peak at how many civilians the Russians, Chinese, Germans, laotian, Vietnamese, etc etc etc governments killed. Just because nothing bad had happened to you does not mean nothing bad can happen. Your irrational emotions tied to guns are just sad. They are just tools..

>>731817570
or it's because they have no grounding in reality because the entirety of their life experience comes from the internet

>>731817570
Until the Millenials brand them as lazy like the Boomers did Gen X.

>>731817114
That is a gross over generalization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. They banned manufacture of new guns, not ownership or sale of existing weapons, and exempted like 650 models from the bill.

I don't have the patience to look up statistics, but I'm fairly sure gun sales increased during the Clinton presidency exactly because the gun lobby was pushing the "buy them before Democrats ban all the guns!" line.

>>731817433
If it's about forcing someone to sacrifice their body to "save a life," I just wish they'd force people to donate kidneys whenever it could save a life. Then they'd at least have some consistency.

>>731817344
Your point is?
Im tired of defending my political views to people who cant look further than their own nose

>>731817467
If you're so superior why do you need a gun

>>731817606
I don't need a gun to have the ability to kill someone. I'd be fine with stabbing or running them over with my car too, in self defense of course.

> implying that everyone is a nationalist conformist

>>731817659
I am sure your hunting rifle would help against the US military.

>>731817638
Are you pro-life or pro-choice? Because your answer here changes whether you're a hypocritical asshole or just an asshole.

>>731817761
more risk to me fighting with my hands or a knife then using a firearm for self defense. I don't want to get hurt if I don't have to.

>>731817853
Then let go of your irrational fear and give up the gun you fucking idiot.

>>731817709
what's yours?

>>731808402
I'm not retarded...

>>731818045
nope. Going to keep buying them and carrying everyday. I had a lot of fun at the gun range yesterday and carrying a gun is fun. There are poor niggers and people on meth in my city so it's nice to have a firearm on me for self defense

>>731817981
I support gun regulations, but this is a bad argument. Shitty rifles did seem to help against the US military in Korea, and Vietnam, and just all of the Middle East in the past 30 years...and I'm sure shitty US muskets weren't seen as a treat to the entire British Empire...

>>731818045
Asshole

>>731808402
Is it odd to want to be called a democrat or republican versus liberal or conservative? It feels like the terms and melting together or don't mean what it used to.

Having said that, i`m a Dem from California. We have some whiny ass bitches out here, but we kinda created the movement.

Feels like republicans are being these 'soft snowflakes' that they like to make so much fun of....our President is a perfect example of a republican snowflake where he complains about the 'fake press' not liking him. Fucking shocker!!! He's been talking shit about them for years, so of course they aren't gonna be on his nuts.
I have no issues with republicans, but i feel like they currently only want to undo everything Obama did, versus help people. Also, repubs just seem mean and angry and pissed off at everyone who disagrees with whatever the topic at hand is.

>>731809290
You're too stupid to even realize what's happening. It's the shitty people who are trying to kill the people with actual worth. If we were killing all of the conservative politicians, and the bigots who elect them, it'd be a different case. We're not shitty enough to do that, though.

Look at all these partisan political tards ^^^

>>731818197
Serious question:
Have you or anyone you know personally ever had to use a gun in self defense? Or is it more about making you *feel* safe?

>>731818259
No it didn't. Total war did. The US lost because of insurgency - explosives, and traps. No Vietnam Vet shudders when they see a hunting rifle, my brother doesn't panic when he sees a hunting rifle laying on the side of the road.

>>731818505
The MSM never reports when it happens, George Soros has a serious investment in suppressing that info.

>>731814037
I really hope you won't be one of those politically inclined teachers. You're a solid figure during a kid's development, don't propagate your retardness, let them make their own choices.

>>731818505
I know a guy who shot a snake in self defense. People break into homes all the time people are victimized all the time. I won't be made a victim if that happens to me because I always have a gun on me.

>>731815741
I see what you mean and agree that it is overly optimistic but I still don't see how pacifying those who will not work with free stuff is a good idea.

To the point of those who are stupid and lazy, it is those who we should educate others about our efforts by letting them know that we, as a society, have tried but they have refused the help and should now deserve none. Tho people are rather emotional and don't think in the face of seeing suffering.

To those that want to work and learn, I think that we should help them to get a job and an education but only if they're willing to do it, there's a lot of stuff the government could do that isn't pleasant but needs doing and I think certain other legal entities are holding the government back from getting them done in a productive manner. Unions for instance, but I'm only talking about those that ask for large wages, provide sub-exceptional work, and have clauses in them that ensure that the first to get the job will be the last to lose it. PS: I'm not talking about what Bernie wants for college, my vision of it is all lot more strict and heavily "regulated".

I just have the feeling that it is better to cut off your foot than to leave yourself trapped and run a high risk of dying; I know that most others most likely will not feel the same way.

>>731818694
>knowledge is a threat

Typical flyover.

>>731818259
Implying the citizenry would stand a chance with the totality of military power on their doorstep and not half a world away

>>731818619
The MSM also almost never reports on when a gun owner commits suicide, and rarely reports when a stolen gun is used in a crime.

That's why I asked about personal experience and not what's being seen on the news. The news is skewed to advance a narrative. For both sides depending on the source.

>>731818850
Holy shit, to be this afraid.

>>731818619
there's pretty coherent statistics on gun related deaths and injuries in the US. Most gun related deaths are from suicides as high as 70% of all gun related fatalities are an hero.

>>731818856
Faggot

I prefer a liberal secularist egalitarian democracy with a functioning strong government over a constricted Chrisitanized faux republic with either a government without power or a government with too much. That's just me though.

>>731818850
My sides

>>731818917
They always report when guns are used in crimes to attack the second amendment, the Jews don't want anyone to own a gun. That's why I watch Fox News, they keep the Jewish anti-gun slant off the news. That's why we now have Trump - fucking libs be all mad.

>>731818956
You're afraid of guns, that's why you don't like them.

>>731818963
They the same polls that said Hillary would win? TRUMP WON. GUNS ARE LEGAL. Get the fuck over it libtard.

> national faggot association

>>731815609
You'd be gibbering like a foreigner and writing in scribble if it wasn't for the glory of the British empire and her language.

>>731818850
...so that's a no?

Are you sure you don't have big corporate overlords scaring you into thinking there is a bigger threat against you than there really is?

If you want a gun for your safety despite little evidence that you actually need one for your safety, it kinda sounds like you want one....for your "feels"

>>731819108
yeah fox news was just talking about someone who used to gun in self defense the other day and were praising the person.

>>731819108
that kind of clashes with the "minorities can do no wrong"message you guys accuse them of having.

>>731819189
>from the guy strapped 247 because evil niggers coming

>>731808402
I'm not. I fucking hate libcucks

>>731814207
I voted for women's health care, but I'm a man. Any smart person would know that women's reproductive health requires specialized health services that do not exist, but should.

I'm a history lover, how dare you call me communist. I suppose your republicans are pinkos too because they work government jobs too. Our military is a socialist system. I would know, I've lived on base a majority of my life.

Stop being so cynical.

>>731819298
Right? Meanwhile CNN is bitching about Healthcare faggotry. People need to take care of themselves and stop worrying about the government saving them.

>>731819297
it's my right to have and carry a gun for self defense. you can complain about it all your want but I am going to keep doing it. It's also a fun hobby.

>>731819022
Define strong government.

Strong in that it allows people and corporations to operate freely while focusing only on their own duties (law and order, national security, infrastructure etc.) or strong such that the government will restrict corporate and individual activities by demand of common consensus?

Both are subjectively strong with huge variance in practical implementation.

>>731819379
Socialism isn't fucking American. I support my Police, Troops, and Firemen. We need to focus on infrastructure like roads, bridges and water supplies and stop funding socialism.

>>731817638
>You have to buy your own healthcare instead of having it provided to you via taxes you pay
>You have to pay taxes to pay for the military to people not cut out for college can have jobs

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>>731808402
Why are you a Conservative?

>>731819347
no you're afraid you pussy.
seriously I am not even trying anymore because you are just giving me low teir b8 to work with

>>731819573
Am I afraid because I don't carry a gun around at all times?

>>731819435
>People need to take care of themselves and stop worrying about the government saving them.
Funny, when I say the same thing regarding the military people call me anti-American

>>731815039
There are low birth rates because we, as in millennials, cannot afford birth, a bigger house, an education for our kids nor are their good jobs to sustain all that.

Thanks Republicans.

>>731819561
Is this an ironic post?

>>731819470
>he says this, but is too much a pussy to become a cop or a soldier

>>731819644
you are afraid of guns so you only want to government and police to have them

>>731819561
Herp derp you cousin fucking hick.

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>>731819702
No, I am fucking tired of socialist shit that Obama funded. We need to put Americans back to work. That's not socialism. I want my tax dollars to pay for new bridges and roads. Our troops need fucking FUNDING, that nigger took all their cash away.

>>731819694
I can afford all those things I just cant find a decent woman. go be poor somewhere else

>>731819858
>Our troops need fucking FUNDING
Why? So retards not cut out for college can stay employed to shoot brown people. The military is just Republican welfare.

>>731819780
If it means a knuckle dragger like you won't go all fucking nuts and shoot up a place - then yes.

I find that labeling liberal, conservative, and their simular deragatory names is a clear indicator of low intelligence. It's a symptom of our evolution, that some still would rather revert to their tribal and neanderthal tendencies. Stupid people have a very difficult time understanding strangers. For example, Christian rich male denounces Muslim violence, without the knowledge that Muslims are generally peaceful being a enormous sect, especially considering the well documented crimes that have occurred for various religious reasons including Christian. Our fighting amongst each other is weak. People use Republitard or Libtard for example are showing our desire to hurt another's ego, a clear display of their own unchecked teenage emotions. Our need for everyone to share exactly the same values... not even core ones but the ones that are inferred, is stupid and low.

This election has been truly delightful in uncovering just how stupid much of the world is, because the stupid people have absolutely no shame in putting it on display.

>>731818856
There are a whole lot of programs that already do stop giving aid when people show they aren't trying like unemployment and Workers Comp in most states.

I work with a lot of unions, and there certainly some problems which you spelled out, but I think they are largely overblown. A lot of the "large" wages are actually only seen as large because of how unlivably low the minimum wage is, and I know plenty of guys I've turned down representation from after they were fired from a union job because they refused to work, or did something blatantly wrong.

Labor regulation is definitely a much harder thing to pin down, and it's really hard to get people on board with proper regulations because they are almost always so job specific that not enough people want to be bothered to actually learn about them and end up overgeneralizing as "bigger government."

Also I'm not talking about "pacifying" people who won't work, at least not to make them feel better, its about pacifying them so they don't ruin everything else. "Cutting off your foot" in this example would have to be literally killing poor lazy people, because the other option is letting them do their own thing until they just die off, and they wont. People always figure out a way to survive, and the extremely poor and poorly educated tend to do that through some form of either theft or violence.

>>731819973
The fucking army isn't welfare, you fucking socialist.

>>731819780
The government loves holding guns, big guns, small guns, all guns.

>>731819561
All those things you mentioned are socialized, meaning we pay for them through taxes so they are available to everyone. Are you being deliberately retarded?

>>731814659
I'm not gonna answer to this in a political manner, I'm gonna answer only to the second half and I'm gonna answer it as a scientist. Science doesn't work like that. Conclusions are simple only in mathematics. Research shows a statistical analysis on empirical data, to which the conclusion almost never is one line. By reducing it to a single line you're ommiting important information for your own agenda. I've noticed liberals tend to do this more than the rest of the political parties. Also on social "sciences", like education where I've seen it with my own eyes, I'm assuming this is the case for the rest of the social "sciences", statistical analysis is being done wrong and noone gives a crap. I've corrected exams of educational "science" students and jesus those guys are stupid and definitely not fit for science. Don't trust retarded people doing something way out of their field and capabilities to tell you how this world works.

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>lepen lost

HAHAHAHA!

>>731820085
The military is the biggest welfare organization in the country. You put in minimal effort and get money, housing, training, and money for school. The troops are the biggest welfare queens in the country and the military only exists to pander to the people not cut out for real jobs.

>>731819973
Because if they didnt, china would be building islands 3 miles off the coast of California and claiming it can now drill oil and if it spills... oh well, your beaches don't mean shit.

>>731820109
>when a libcuck tries to use logic

Infrastructure isn't socialist. Police aren't socialist. That's when my tax dollars go to pay for nigger abortions.

>>731820260
Plus they need moar guns

>>731817247
Know us the fuck out? Like know in the biblical sense?

My body is ready.

>>731818694
Lesson 1: Humanity lies

Lesson 2: History is a story of humanity told by humanity

I'm not an idiot, but I sure as fuck am not gonna "red pill" my kids.

>Holocaust happened, numbers of dead and methods of death contentious, here are currently accepted models

>Civil War was fought over succession. The south seceded over slavery. Here are the personal letters and arguments made by people at the time to back up this point

History is more scientific in its approach nowadays than idiots claim.

>>731820355
Faggot

>>731819858
what jobs are we putting them back in?
Oh wait there's industry in the US is killed because the conservatives allowed it to leave unchallenged. "What about agriculture?" you say, same thing no fucking way. It's almost like they sold off everything worth while in this country and we're just dealing with the fallout while the rest of the world sits mouth agape and salivating while they wait for our dollar to fall. We're stuck in the welfare state only thing we can do at this point is try to minimize capital leaving the system.

>>731816714
Congratulations this is the dumbest post in the entire thread.

>>731820279
>Infrastructure isn't socialist. Police aren't socialist.
Are you dense? We pay for them through taxes so everyone has access to them. That's a socialized system. If you want an example of infrastructure that isn't socialized, look at toll roads. If you want an example of police that are not socialized, look at private security companies.

>>731820415
> implying you are a federal employee

>>731820274
We spend how many more times than what's needed for that? Also they found that billions of dollars gets wasted per year. They ordered the report be buried. It came out anyway. We could spend the billions wasted instead of giving them even more to waste.

>>731819561
The Police, Military and Emergency response services are, by definition, socialized. We all pitch in and they serve all of us. The militaries healthcare is paid for by us, it's socialist system that works. It's just run by dumbass officers.

>>731819470
I'm not saying it's not your right, and it can certainly be a fun hobby. But you more or less said it yourself that you have never needed to use a gun for self defense and you don't even know anyone who has.

The *idea* that you need to carry around a gun for self defense is being sold to you by corporations that make money selling guns. You should at least try to be self-aware enough to acknowledge that.

Where do you stand on regulations about clip/magazine sizes, and bracelets/fingerprint scanners stopping other people from using your gun? Those sorts of things don't seem to prevent you from defending yourself, and are at most a very minor inconvenience at a gun range.

>>731820566
CIVIL SERVICES DO NOT MEAN SOCIALISM.

Bernie fucking Sanders is a goddamned Socialist and he hates the Police and Army. If they were socialist things, why does Bernie Jew Boy hate them? Fucking cucks.

>>731820588
Um no

>>731820803
>CIVIL SERVICES DO NOT MEAN SOCIALISM.
>If I say the same thing over and over it becomes a fact, regardless of whether or not the reality supports my delusional ideas.

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>>731808402
Because I have a sense of morality and ethics.
And I'm not out to save myself by throwing everyone else under the bus.
Because I practice what I preach.
Because I'm not retarded.
Because I'm not a sociopath, or psychopathic.
Because I'm not a closet homo, or closet pedo out to prove anything.
Because I'm not full of hate, malice, or bigotry.
Because I believe in freedom and liberty.
Because I'm not out to harm others just for the lulz.
I'm sure there are more reasons. Those are just off the top of my head.

>>731819973
Don't be ridiculous. Defense needs more funding so that we can further line the pockets of NGOs selling weapons to both sides of every conflict and the politicians that they kick back .001% of that extra money to.

>>731819858
The 500 billion budget we gave our military under Obama was for stuff like upgrading computers and funding war games. The 3 trillion we spend on the military's upkeep comes every year.

You have no idea what you're talking about. The infrastructure you're bitching about isn't happening because you wanted lower taxes, so the government choose based on Turkey over a safe road to school.

>>731820803
>CIVIL SERVICES DO NOT MEAN SOCIALISM.
But that's wrong you retard.

>>731820681
Except it's handguns that do most of the real killing. The kind of guns that are easy to conceal. Because if you're going to rob someone, you don't want to stand out walking around with an assault rifle.

>>731819831
I don't like either of those people. They didn't like each other either.

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>>731820803
>Defining socialism as whatever Bernie likes
top gog.

>>731820681
Firearms are like an insurance policy. You don't want to have to use it, but you are glad you have it if you do.

clip/magazine sizes should be unregulated, there are no regulations for that in my state. bracelets/fingerprint are fine as long as they are not mandatory, because these scanners can fail when you need your firearm to work. If you get blood or mud on your hand your scanner could not work

>>731810375
Stfu whiny libcuck bitch

>>731819887
Typical conservative. What kind of democracy doesn't invest in it's citizens? Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Hapiness not self-evident rights?

Because being conservative is stupid. Things change all the time hence we change and adapt our views over time. Being conservative means we may as well be retarded cave man since they never want to adapt to modern society and want to cling to old ideals.

>>731821023
Hillary fucking raped kids supplied by the fucking pedophile faggots at the Pizza Joint. Trump is a great father. Fail harder.

>>731820085
Dependent here.

It's socialized. Our housing is assigned, our healthcare provided, our schools are even on base sometimes. Even our food is subsidized.

>>731821078
Except they only get used when you kill yourself with it, or when you pawn it and it gets sold to niggers who shoot up playgrounds in drug conflicts.

>>731821132
Leftis are the worsf

>>731821237
STFU, the army isnt socialism.

>>731820279
Your tax dollars don't, they haven't for like 50 years.

>>731821180
Eatting pizza and owning guns makes you a pedo, homosexual federal employee, we get it.

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>>731821180
You just broke the world record for being wrong.

>>731821180
Trump wants to fuck his daughters and says it publicly. How is that a great father? No wonder he appeals to inbred trailer trash Cletuses such as yourself

>>731821326
Don't fucking lie. Trump already banned at shit with an executive order.

>>731821323
Saying something doesn't make it true.

>>731821253
I'd be fine with taking rights away from just niggers

>>731820803
Bernie doesn't hate either of them. He just doesn't wanna spend trillions funding a standing army in fucking Europe. He even said to cut funding to Israel. He's on camera saying that.

>>731821323
Civilian detected

>>731821457
>He even said to cut funding to Israel.
That would be the only sensible thing we've done in the Middle East in decades.

And let's not forget that Trump ordered everyone at the FDA Friday to put FOX on all their TVs permanently.
Massive mind control shit, right there.

>>731808402
I'm an independent

>>731821132
>What kind of democracy doesn't invest in it's citizens
rome

>>731821387
He doubled super banned it then. Obamacare didn't finance abortions. You're just an idiots believing what the Christian Right wants you to believe.

>>731821551
When is Trump going to do that? I can't fucking wait.

>>731821554
>FDA
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/at-fda-tvs-now-turned-to-fox-news-and-cant-be-switched/

Holy shit.

>>731820083
>A lot of the "large" wages are actually only seen as large because of how unlivably low the minimum wage is
While I agree that minimum wage is extremely low, to the point where people have to go without certain things like cars, I think there's other issue contributing to it. Things like people have rather high expectations of their standard of living, such as how most would rather live in a nice fancy house and have a good car, and have value systems that don't bring prosperity to them in the long run, like drinking alcohol, gambling or doing drugs. Also, call me a conspiracy theorists but I think the fact that our money is baseless and the fact that out government doesn't own the production of money are more of a reason as to why the dollar has so little buying power. Other point, I don't see how having wages above $20/hr for unskilled jobs or jobs that require very little manual labor is a good idea.

>>731821551
I completely agree. Honestly, we should pull out and let them solve it, but we feel the effects of terrorism too. Obama had it right- Deep, precision strikes and drone air strikes are the way to go.

>>731821078
I bet you know a fuckton more people who have needed to use health, home, and care insurance than who have had to use a gun as an insurance policy.

The insurance example for firearms for the VAST majority of people is a fantasy. It is extremely rare.

I don't see why ammo shouldn't be regulated since that's the thing that actually does the killing, unless you are worried about getting into a literal shootout with some home invader, which would be an unlikely event even in the already unlikely event of needing the gun in the first place. Same thing with any sort of scanner, you're talking about the unlikely even that it fails in the so far hasn't even come up in the life of anyone that you even know event that you need it to defend yourself.

Meanwhile much larger amounts of guns are used in homes by people other than the actual owner to either kill themselves or others.

From a cost-benefit perspective it doesn't seem worth it just so you can feel safe from something that you are being sold by gun corporations as a problem.

>>731821644
I'm assuming your post isn't sarcastic. He will never do it. Israel supported him in the election and he's supporting them. The GOP would never consider abandoning Israel because so much of their base is the religious filth in the South who believe that Jews are the rightful Biblical stewards of Jerusalem and are meant to be there to speed along the Biblical endtimes (which, if you're not familiar with Revelations, is not a pleasant course of events).

>>731821632
>Rome
>EVER a democracy

What is the secession of the plebs, what is the patrician class, what is the senate, what are the Gracchi brothers, what is Caesar.

I'm a history student do. Rome was never a democracy.

>>731821584
Do you have an unwarranted sense of smug superiority about that? Get the fuck out of here, faggot.

>>731821965
Don't fucking lie, Trump hates the Jews.

>>731821967
>do

I meant dude

>>731822049
He's on television with the President of Israel, literally creating a fascist Jewish state.

>>731821830
guns hold their price and go up in value over time. I just remembered my dad actually had to pull a gun on a guy before. He threw a cup of piss out the window and accidentally threw it on someones car and they guy tried to run him off the road with me and my family in the car so we pulled his gun out and the guy stopped.

>be white, college educated straight male
>liberal because the blacks, women, hispanics, etc. are inferior to me no matter what
>liberal doesn't threaten me at all
>watch insecure rednecks preaching how Conservativism will change their shitty lives

Fucking plebs.

>>731821967
it was a democratic republic, like the USA,

>>731821732
Paying well for unskilled labor means that it's not that unskilled or there is a risk involved. People working with chemicals, for example, usually get paid better because a lot of people fear cancer.

I believe in raising up your lower
Class and the rest of the country will follow. Support them and youll loose crime like theft and drug related crime.

>>731820681
Those scanners fail and brick guns all the time. That's why police and military don't use them yet. I'm a liberal and think you're an idiot. We do need to license guns the way we do cars. You should be allowed to carry if you pass a test. In Kansas you don't have to pass a test at all and can buy a gun legally from a friend without any paperwork. So everyone has a gun. Results have been scary at times. These idiots bring guns into bars and banks. They walk right past the no gun signs.

>>731821554
>>731821710
Why the FDA though?

>>731822309
Point noted, I should have included work hazards but when you can figure out how to do a job in a couple days then it's not really skilled at all.

>>731821554
>>731821710
>>731822449
A representative from the FDA has denied this happened, yet declined to answer why this email came from an official email address.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/05/media/fda-fox-news-tv/

>>731808541
Back scratcher?
Use the handle as a shoe horn?
Curling your hair?

>>731822577
>when you can figure out how to do a job in a couple days then it's not really skilled at all.
Which is why it's hard for me to take people seriously when they complain of low skill immigrants takin der' jerbs. If you do a job that can be given to someone with no skill you already don't matter.

>>731822694
they take the niggers and the teenagers jobs

>>731822274
Read a book dude. It was an oligarchy founded on a caste system, which only changed thanks to war and populism.

>>731821732
Federal minimum wage is $7.25, for a full-time 40 hours a week job, that's
$1,160 a month before taxes.
I recently moved from NYC. I was paying $640 a month for a small 2 bedroom apartment I was sharing with 3 other people. Median rent in the US (based on a quick google search) was $959 in 2015. $500 rent I would consider very cheap. Even ignoring taxes on your pay, that makes just rent cost almost half your wages at minimum wage. Cars require gas and maintenance, and if you don't have one, monthly access to public transportation doesn't cost all that much more. Take into account just basic food, and now you're barely getting by with bare necessities. If something bad happens, your fucked.

I would love to be able to get rid of things like alcohol, gambling, drugs, etc that are having a negative impact on the poor, but the actual cost of regulating something like that would be so fucking high. Can you imagine the cost of sending government reps to everyones house to do drug tests, keep an eye on their finances, etc?

$20 might be high for a minimum wage, but I don't think even $15 is all that crazy. The money is there, it's just going to the very rich right now who save it or invest it in other super rich companies, rather than the poor who are more likely to actually put it back into local economies

>>731821644
It was a campaign promise. He changed his mind within days of taking the oath.

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>>731822586
My guess is that Trump sent out a request and someone took it way to seriously. Trump is known to tweet stupid shit. I can easily see him also sending out crazy emails. Just because he suggests something in an email doesn't mean they have to do it though.

>>731822694
True but there are a lot of people who look down on the job and refuse to do it because it is beneath them, not so much on immigrants taking their jobs tho they do help undercut the citizens ability to negotiate for a higher wage. Kinda touches back on the point of people having certain qualities of life that jobs like this don't provide for, tho they do provide a means to an ends to getting to a position where one can advance themselves economically.

>>731822586
And yet, the company that sets the TV stations claims the order came from the top.

From: WO Digital Display
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:49 AM
To: CBER Researchers
Subject: Attention: Regards about the news on the monitors in your locations

Good Morning, CBER Researchers,

Please excuse me for sending this out to your entire group via your listserv, but I was alerted by a member in your group and I wanted to let everyone know that the reason for the change from CNN to FOX.

The reason for the change is that a decision from the current administration administrative officials has requested that all monitors, under our control, on the White Oak Campus, display FOX news.

Sorry for the inconvenience, but I am unable to change any of the monitors to any other news source at this time.

>>731814169
Climate change is a hoax

Donald Trump said so

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>liberal shitposting with the argument equivalent of REEEEEE DUMPF BAD! CONSERVATIVE DUMB!

>>731821644
It would be a mistake because if Israel falls then the region falls to infighting and if hamas or Hezbollah gets their nukes... It's pretty fucking bad for the world. There are a lot of resources in the region which we exploit. It's best that we try to keep the status quo. For now at least.

>>731823200
conservative shitposting with the same argument.

>>731823200
Care to make an actual argument, or are you good with lumping everything you disagree with together, and calling it "liberal shitposting" while only shitposting yourself?

>>731811145
When is this from?
>Thought I read all of Oglaf

>>731821644
Like most things that Trump said while campaigning, it was later explained to him that it's actually a complex situation and he can't just tweet/sue his way to a resolution and so he is now pretending he never said it.

>>731813758
Get back to us in 20 years.

>>731823359
Conservative logic, right there, buttercup.

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>>731823200
>mfw they mad I'm right

>>731823263
>hamas or Hezbollah
These are organizations that only exist due to the fact that the Israelis are an occupying force.

>>731812343
Just something about the hypocrisy of women covering their breasts when a man can have bigger breasts but generally get to go around shirtless

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>>731819248
>They the same polls that said Hillary would win?

Obviously not, are you really that retarded?

>a poll was wrong, therefor the concept behind polls is wrong

Go back to fucking school and learn what "probability" means, hillbilly

>>731823483
Liberal asshole

>>731823445
Fucking faggots ruin everything.

>>731823529
What the fuck are you going on about?

Because corporate monopolies are on the rise while consumer choice is down. Because the country is at the highest level of wealth inequality ever while homelessness and mental illness are on the rise. Because we are the richest country on earth yet treat our citizens like corporate cogs. Because in practice there is no such thing as socialism or laissez-faire capitalism, there is only a scale, and i think we are too far right.

Op, why are you a dumbass?

>>731823569
Dude, fucking wake up. The MSM makes up polls to convince sheep like you.

Spicer: Press plays 'who can stump the chump' at daily White House briefings

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/331364-spicer-press-plays-who-can-stump-the-chump-at-daily-white-house-briefings

I think if the press wasn't playing this game before he said this, they probably are now.

>>731808402
Theres two ways to get rid of poor people, kill them of give them money.

If they all die we have no workers to do the shit work and then we have to do it.

If we give them money they will spend it on not being poor. This increased spending will (probably) result in more jobs and a strengthened economy.

For some reason this makes me a liberal, well that and the baby killing.

I love a good abortion it makes less poor people, niggers and criminals.

>>731823063
It's not rape if it's consensual.
Unlike your orange pedo rapist having a 13yo tied to a bed and raping her while she's begging him to stop.

Now that's rape. not a consensual blow job

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>>731823742

And here we go, out with the conspiracy theories. I don't have cable and don't watch what you call "MSM", I am just not an anti-intellectual retard that only believes things that make me feel good.

And the MSM doesn't run the polls, fucktard, they report them. Learn what a fucking gallop poll is and stop wasting people's time with your ignorance that you roll into a conspiracy. Fuck, I bet you think it was a vaccine that gave you autism.

>>731823200
Anyone who disagrees with you is just going "reee"?
I'm not even on your list and while I agree that there are flaws in some of these arguments, "reee". You fucking child. This is we we can't have reasonable debates in this day and age.

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>>731823580

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>>731824080
Oh please

>>731823569
Technically some of the polls weren't even wrong. They didn't account for district and low turn out. People said they were going to vote and didn't go because they thought Hillary would win anyway. I run into these dumb fucks who complain about Trump and then when I ask them who they voted for it's either Johnson or they didn't. My girlfriend is one of these dumb fucks who voted for Johnson and complains about Trump every god damned day. I hate Trump to, but at least I voted for Hillary knowing that it's a two party system and that now isn't the time to push for a third.

>>731824495
To be fair, every single election both parties say now isn't the time to push for a third...

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>>731824595
republican jesus is best jesus