How does /b/ feel about universal health care?

It seems a lot less crooked than mandating coverage by private insurance companies. Corporate dems and the republicans came together and fucked us with Obama care, and now they're fucking us again. Anyone who disagrees on either side of the isle is blinded by bias.

>>731685443
Obamacare fucked us? How so? Raising prices? So fucking what. Millions of people have coverage now that didn't before. How many lives do you think that saved? 10? 20? 50? You don't think thats worth it? Fuck you!

>>731685443
What would be a better system in your opinion?

>>731685598
Do you think if a private company had trouble making money by covering the people with pre-existing conditions or who otherwise were not covered before, that the government will be able to do a better job? I'd like to think they will

>>731685159

>Be me
>Be Australia
>Never paid a cent for healthcare in my life
>Spend all my time getting furious that pseudoephedrine is so hard to get and complaining about the shit medical system we have

What's America's story?

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>>731685159
I'm not sure how I feel about paying for the healthcare of everyone in the universe. Could we start with just the USA?

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>>731685776
Do you pay taxes anon? There is no free lunch. You've been paying for health care you're whole life. Or at least your parents have.

You see, the government takes your money and spends it on health care for you. Rather than you spending it on yourself.

>>731685598
Dems had the house and the Senate. They could have done it right and pursued an expansion of Medicare for everyone. But they lined the pockets of the insurance companies that invested in theirbelections instead. That's how they fucked us. I can't even marry my fiancee who I have two kids with. Her and the boys wouldn't qualify for the subsidies with my income. Which isn't bad but not enough insure a family of 4. And the insurance I have is fucking worthless. I'm loving out 70 a week to have a 7500 deductible... And so that they'll cover 30% of prescription costs? Nigga what? A blue Congress didn't even point a fire towards big Obama gouging us. We're getting fucked by republicans and the so called left.

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>>731685598

Well Obamacare had a website that didn't work. That basically means it fucked everyone right?

>>731685862
We're already paying for Israel's.

>>731685862
Well, almost every government program in the past has worked. Shoot, let's try it! If private companies can't survive, the government can handle it!

If private companies lose money, they go out of business. If the government gets into hot water, they'll just raise taxes and take more of our money to prop their failing business up. That's what they're there for right? I like this idea so far, let's keep going.

>>731685159
>be Canadian, living in Ontario
>universal single payer health care
>people piss and moan about it
>political suicide to even talk about getting rid of it
>look at murica
>40keks

>>731685876
Yeah and you don't have to worry about not having enough money for your kid to live, because you and your employer have been seamlessly investing money that was gonna get spent anyways into the health of your fellow countrymen. It must feel good. I don't get mad when I see 65 a week of my pay go to Medicare, that was my grandpa's defibulator at one point. It might be my mom's mamograms someday soon.

>>731685876
Yeah, 'cause if you don't pay taxes you'll have all the money to treat your cancer, of course.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/obamacare-critic-gets-sick-changes-his-mind

>>731685159
Too expensive to cover niggers

>>731685876
Lel i dont pay taxes (aside of IVA and ISR that is discounted from my paycheck) and still get free healthcare

>>731685926
Fuck you faggot it is called natural selection. Too poor? Get a fucking job or two!

>>731686071
That's awesome! Hmm, I think I broke my arm. After paying for your grandpa's defibulator and your mom's mamograms, it looks like there isn't enough money to get me a cast. You don't mind if we tax you a little more do you anon? If not that's cool, we'll just print more money and devalue the price of the dollar.

I'm liking this so far! What else will universal health care get me?

>>731685876
You miss the point entirely. But thats to be expected when talking to muricans about healthcare. Yes you pay for it one way or another, but EVERYBODY is covered. Nobody has to worry about taking out a loan because of a trip to the hospital

>>731686137
Or, I could put that money into private health care insurance for me and my family? The way I do for all other major expenses in my life that would wreck me financially?

But hey, I like waiting in line at the DMV. The government running my health care seems like a great plan. I'm ready!

>>731686154
Woohoo! A free rider! I wanna be like him!

>>731685598
Get a job or two you faggot. I hope several thousand die.natural selection!

>>731686248
>Printing money because potato
That's not how things works

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>>731686242
Here some food for thought for you, sir. Of course I'm not expecting your primitive brain to understand this, but I'l just throw it anyway.

1/4

>be german
>pay 15% of income to cover the whole family
>employer pays half of it
>your move america

>>731686286
Interesting. So let me make sure I follow you.

If I can't pay for these expensive trips to the doctor I go financially bankrupt, correct?

Let's say, and I'm just talking out of my ass here, that the government finds itself in a position where it can't pay for all of the medical bills that are piling up around the country. Seems plausible, does it not?

Let's see, I guess they could raise taxes, print more money and just keep doing that forever right? I wonder if eventually the country itself would find itself in economic trouble? Do you think that's possible anon?

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>>731686448
2/4

>>731686321
If you think a private health care insurance will bail you out of major disease expenses, you're delusional.
http://www.revelist.com/viral/hospital-bill-outrageous/5597

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>>731686248
Its always funny to hear prickley muricans try and justify how universal health care doesnt work

>>731686248
But you're still covered and the goverment has to finance your whole precedure until you're healthy again, thats the whole point of universal healthcare

Idk avput other countries but in mexico we can go as many times we want to our familiar doctor for check ups and vaccine shots, if we need a specialist they just file us a date for it for free, if we need medication they supply us with ir for free until we finish the treatment

Fuck, even 2 years ago diabetes and other chronic diseases got covered but that shit is too expensive, now they just prevent it

Health insurances here are just for people who dont like the public healthcare or need some very special shit that their local clinics cant handle

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>>731686536
3/4

>>731686497
They have no move, they just want to believe so hard, poor bastards.

>>731686414
Hmmm, ok. So the government runs out of money to pay for my broken arm. They can't print more money. Fair enough! I love learning new things.

Tell me then anon, where does that money come from? Who is going to pay for my broken arm now that the government is no longer there to take care of me?

>>731686350
At the end of the day i will pay for it with my future taxes tho

>>731686248
With all the money were already dumping into private insurance it should be more than enough. If we stop letting big pharma gouge Medicare, we can all save a fuck ton. I think that the health providers should still be private industry but they get their payments from the public purse. The beureua can work the way well ran cities do it. Public bids and set rates for services. It will be complicated establishing a system that's fair for both sides between the public insurance board and the medical service providers. But we're gonna stop paying 300 dollars for aspirin in the ER

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>>731686604
4/4

>>731686242
I'm sure that this won't get through to you, but at least I tried.

>>731686536
Hmm, well they'd have to bail out somebody eventually or else they'd go out of business right? People would stop paying them, switch to a better provider, right?

I like that. I like having the freedom to chose. It's what's great about living in a free country! I don't like getting fined and jailed for not doing what the government says. If it's plan fails, I have to go along with it because they force me to. They probably won't improve anything because they can just take more of my money to pay their bills.

I love it! I'm convinced!

>>731686406
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>>731686000
Nigger, universal health care works in every other country. The fact that the business model for insurance companies depends on not covering people, avoiding competition, and giving a blank check to hospitals and big pharma...maybe it's time. If insurance companies have to depend on bribing elections to stay in business, maybe it's time.

Your criticism of government takeovers is a shitty generalization. Privatization isn't any better. Usually much worse. Look at the privatization of the prison, education, and military industries.

You can't always be a fucking republican parrot, dipshit. You might have to wake the fuck up and realize privatization may work for some industries and not for others. Same for government control.

In this case, private companies may not be the best at providing the difference between life and death for a profit.

>>731686518
You would think so but if that was the case health care in canada would have caved in on itself years ago. It has not

>>731686540
Is it? I always thought it was basic economics! But hey, everything everyone has said so far seems pretty legit!

Taxes are way more than enough to cover healthcare costs. With the government being in charge of it, the Big Pharma motherfuckers can't push them around so it isn't ridiculously expensive. I don't know if you know this, but Americans pay way too much for the same drugs that people in other countries get. So the government forces fair play. Now your taxes barely have to do anything. Also, not wanting to pay because some others can't work and you only want people who can support themselves to survive, is childish and selfish. Everyone. Every family at one time or another has had a financial crisis. It happens. Not wanting to help other people is fucking weak. People are 100 times stronger when we work together. Helping yourself before others is faggotry at it's finest.

>>731686546
>we can go as many times we want
Oh man, this is great! If I had to pay for this on my own I'd be a little more judicious, but since I'm spending other people's money.....hooray!!!! No consequences at all! I know! I'll go to the doctor when my balls itch and have him scratch them. That'd be funny! I love when things are free!

>public healthcare

Man public stuff is always better, I agree. Why, I just love using the public restroom toilet. It's always nice and cleaner than the toilet in my house. Plus, public restrooms always smell so nice! I wanna do public healthcare to. Let's do it anons!

>>731685159
The ACA was shit. They should have just expanded medicaid to cover more people. As long as you can still buy better healthcare than what the government offers I don't mind universal healthcare.

>>731686844
Muricans are fundamentally confused when it comes to good governance. Its been that way for decades. Our healthcare system might not be perfect but its infinately better then what you have

>>731686752
But you can be covered by the universal healthcare and if youre such and idiot who dont knows how it works and still be afraid of a total inmediate shitdown you can still suck some bank balls for a private health insurance, its not that hard to comprehend

You still can choose between just paying taxes for public healthcare or pay extra for a "better" healthcare and still have public healthcare

it sounds like americans dont want healthcare because they trust that their government will screw it up. I think americans who voted for trump just did it because the government is such garbage they wanted to piss on it.

>>731685159
It's the rational, civilized solution.

>>731687059
Thank You! And we have all we need to be able to ramp up medical training and train a bunch of new doctors and nurses to facilitate the expansion on healthcare. Because I'm sure once we have it and people can go to the doctor without lobbing out a ton of money a lot more peoples health issues will come to light. They always want to detract by saying there's long waits for healthcare. We can fix that by training and employing a whole generation who don't see a lot of good careers opening anywhere

>>731686785
>Look at the privatization of the prison, education, and military industries.
You lack a basic understanding of these industries anon. You may need to investigate further. I don't know what country you hail from, but in the good old U.S.A these systems are mostly government run and are terrible. Private schools are almost always a better option to send your kids to, my parents chose that route for me at a young age.

>universal health care works in every other country.

Honestly though, I'm glad you posted because in all seriousness it just goes to show how delusional you have to be to believe this stuff. A complete ignorance of all economic principles, and besides that, just plain facts, like the financial state of virtually all the countries you refer to and what a burden the system is to the people in government.

>>731686752
Now you're assuming that there will always be a better provider, and that they don't work together to keep the prices at an internally defined level, so they can suck the dollars out of the suckers.

But yeah, if you're convinced that's the good system, good for you, I'll enjoy life in a developed country, where I don't have to pay upfront to go to a hospital.

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>>731685159
Fuck off im not paying for your gastric band surgery go on a diet fatty

>>731686922
Americans end up paying for other people anyway, because uninsured people end up going to the ER to get basic treatment, then that cost is distributed to everyone else who goes to that hospital. Somehow people here still fail to grasp that concept.

>>731685598

>human lives are worth more than money

Oh to be young and idealistic again...

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>>731685598
>Millions of people have coverage now that didn't before.
Millions of people who didn't have coverage because they DIDNT WANT IT!!!!!

>>731687430
In the same way that they fail to understand the concept that tipping shouldn't be mandatory and wages should be raised to restaurant workers. Murrica is pretty ficked up, glad I wasn't born there.

>>731686789
Healthcare spending in Canada (in 1997 dollars) has increased each year between 1975 and 2009, from $39.7 billion to $137.3 billion... In 2013 the total reached $211 billion

Wow....I'm convinced!

>>731687509
I'm 46 retard.
Oh to be young and edgy again.

>>731686922
>Helping yourself before others is faggotry at it's finest.
Ahhh, you're referring to communism! I agree with you anon, this has always worked in the past as a system. When people work hard for the public good, everyone wins!

>>731686973
Wtf? Ofc there are regulations and people arent dickwads that dont have anything better to do but troll a doctor, people do go when they get a cold and dont have money to pay for medication, if you have money you just pay for it in a drug store, public healthcare is mainly designed for those who cant afford insurance, basically what america eill need when their poverty and inflation gets out of hand

Its not just spending others peoples money, its like some anon said, this money that i dont use for my healthcare will go for some childs chemotherapgy or some mothers mammogram or to finance the ambulance of someone having a heart attack, you know, being efficient with public resources and not letting people die just because they couldnt pay the high as fuck premiums from an insurance company

I hope you dont get this modern world advancement and you and your children die of a simple flu because daddy was too stupid to comprehend how public resources work and the insurance company just didnt covered that

Kek

>>731687538
>Didn't want
>Can't afford
Yeah. That's the same thing.

>>731687538
That's a straight out lie and you know it.

>>731687059
What we have is shitty because of government interference of the free market system. Don't confuse basic economics with what we have. Our country could provide equal if not better health care and be in much better financial shape than your European countries if they just stayed out of it and let people voluntarily trade with themselves.

Quite the opposite is true, it is Europeans who are confused and can't understand why this is such a big issue in the U.S. We seem to be more privy to the economic woes of your countries than you do.

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>>731686448
>>731686536
>>731686604
>>731686700
Oh shut the fuck up. My dad lost his father at seven and promptly had his loser mom abandon him to an orphanage. He now has phd in chemical engineering. Get off your lazy ass faggot. The world owes you nothing.

>>731687173
>their government will screw it up
They screw everything up. Nobody spends your money as wisely as you do

>>731687538
Yeah...those that don't want health insurance aren't smart enough to makr their iwn decisions. They're cheap trash with no concern for the consequences of their actions, who end up costing YOU money when they inevitably need care and cant pay for it themselves. Its mind boggling how people who are so against welfare somehow want a healthcare system where the poor idiots force YOU to pay for their care.

I don't feel anything about it because I'm covered through private health insurance and it's not a conversation I'm normally interested in. There, I said it. Murican. Muh guns and cheeseburgers.

If a solvent, well managed public system where a reasonable amount of my tax dollars is used for preventative care and both major and minor medical procedures on a timely basis for all citizens...then great. I only hope that:

- People who work in healthcare are compensated well to encourage it as a career path
- People who are irresponsible with their own health (read: human landwhales) will not be given a free ride. For example, being required to lose X pounds at the gym or else they cover more of their expenses.

>>731687373
Dude you need to research charter schools. Marginally better than public only because they try to cherry pick students. There is no real way to make schools better other then sticking to John Dewey style education and better funding. Public/Charter doesn't really matter. Other than that there are greater protections for workers in a public school typically. Do some research before your corporate masters destroy net neutrality.

>>731687611
You know humans reproduce, right?

>>731687611
There is this thing called inflation. Theres also population growth...theres also the modernisation needed in hospitals, costs are going to increase but guess what its still being held together and will continie to be for years to come

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>>731687715
>>731687720
Get off your lazy ass and get a job dumbfucks

>>731687388
That's awesome anon! While you're waiting in line at the DMV (your publicly provided hospital) I'll be grabbing my Starbucks (my privately provided healthcare) from a cute friendly barista who needs my service and my money to stay in business!

This is all I really want anon, the freedom to chose.

>>731687405
Isn't government run health care wonderful!!

>>731687994
This. Also school integration is needed in many areas of the country.

>>731688022
See
>>731686770

>>731685159
We don't have such thing.
Thanks republicunts.

>>731687906
I know for a solid fact that people dont know shit about handling money, trust me ive worked for a bank

>>731687608
Look it up! Raising the minimum wage has actually decreased the amount of jobs and on the job training because employers don't wanna spend 14$ an hour on your dumbass to bag groceries. So, countless millions have lost out on valuable job training from a young age. It's why there is the age old dilemma in this country " You can't get hired until you have experience, you can't get experience unless you get hired" All because of the minimum wage.

I agree I wish I hadn't been born here. I wish I lived somewhere there was no miniumum wage.

>>731687951
I don't want that system either. I think people who don't buy coverage should face the consequences of their decisions. At least this is a step in the right direction.

>>731687904
"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."

>>731687711
>hoping my children and I die of the flu

This is comically funny. I want everyone covered, just the same as you anon. Is it so mind blowing to you that my way might actually work better?

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>>731688006
Costs are growing as a percentage of GDP the system is unsustainable

>>731687373
>economic principles
>universal health care works in most of the rest of the world
>we don't understand

Keep yapping about your private education. You are too fucking stupid to know the difference between a private school and a charter school. Your complete ignorance of the massive drain on the economy for our privatized military system, while calling others delusional about economics...well, you should be embarrassed, but it's obvious you're too stupid to even begin to admit to your shortcomings.

The only option left is to suggest you kill yourself. You are part of the problem. Too stupid to understand shit and too stupid to realize you have no worthwhile information to offer others than you would watch millions of your supposedly fellow americans die so you could squirrel away some taxes.

Fuck everything you stand for.

>>731688273
But what if someone cant afford healthcare?

>>731687951
>aren't smart enough to makr their iwn decisions.
This is the antithesis of everything we stand for here in America. A person should be free to chose for themselves. We don't outlaw smoking and drinking, yet we know those things kill you.

I shudder to think of a country where the government controls my thinking, and makes my decisions for me. Enjoy your utopia anon. I'll live here with the greedy businessman who are only after a profit.

>>731687868
Free market interference? Tell me how a bunch of mom and pop businesses can individually negotiate with international multi billion dollar drug companies better than the government of the de-facto world currency?

>>731688028
You haven't dealt with insurance much, have you?
I can tell by your pipe dreams of a free market idea.

Your ass will be priced out as soon as you have a pre-existing condition or use too much of the company's profit because you had to have $$$ surgery & recovery.

>BUT... IT WON'T HAPPEN TO ME

>>731688182
Tell you what why dont you move to china and work your hands to the bone for a dollar a day. Fucking idiot

>>731685443
I don't give two fucks about being alive.

Refused insurance at work, $350 a month pffffffftt.

Did tax this year, $1400 fine!!! Obama really is the ultimate nigger, right out of thin air, it can steal.

>>731687994
Polar opposite. Countless studies show students chosen at random do better at private schools. Because it has nothing to do with students.

Once government gets involved it becomes impossible to fire shit teachers who suck. Private schools don't give a shit. There is incentive to do well, to please students, thus their test scores are leaps and bounds better.

Regardless, you yourself admitted they were better

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>>731688217
You'd be surprised how happy successful and well adjusted some of us are. Of course in order to feel good about yourself you have to assume we're all cucks NEETs and neckbeards. Only true idiots assume to know people on the internet. Alas, this post will be ignored by you to your own detriment.

>>731688092
School integration is up precisely because schools are publicly run.

>>731688182
Yes please go to whatever fucking country ayn rand started, faggot

>>731688141
So, we need government to tell us how to spend our money?

That sounds like a great society! Convinced again!

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>>731685598
Saving lives at the cost of my own wallet having to pay penalty fees every year because i didn't want to pay 200 a month for insurance. Thats fucking ridiculous forcing people to pay for other peoples insurance is dumb and its theft i dont care how many people obama care saved i want my money back.

>>731688182
The more I hear from murricans, the more astonished I become. You are really a bunch of dellusional bastards, aren't you?

Can't wait until you adopt feudalism, as your "freedom" gets reduced to shreds and you find yourselves working to please the ultra-rich overlords. Still then, I bet some of you will still think that if you work hard enough, you can become one of them. So sad.

>>731688461
Do you have any black friends? How many black people do you know? You seemed sheltered, anon

>>731688581
So you would prefer rich people to run your life?

>>731688334
I stand for a strong economy where people have the freedom to chose how and when they spend their money.

It sounds like you prefer an authoritarian rule where decisions are made by a small, rich group of people at the top who decide what is best for the population.

So fascinating how violent people with your beliefs get. Eh well, I guess it falls in line with what you'd expect from someone who supports that kind of a system, eh?

>>731688595
Isnt that basically what they have going for them right now?

>>731688486
I never said that there aren't successful and well adjusted people here, I am one of them and I'm sure there are more. My beef is with these people not giving credit to their advantages in life. If you get far, 99% of the time you had some advantage that poor people didn't have, and you have to acknowledge that. It's not like you owe something to poorer people, but we're all in the same boat and we have to try even things out for the sake of everyone.

>>731688338
What happens when the government can't afford it? Is the country not worse off?

Wouldn't it be better if citizens kept more of that for private charity, since privately run businesses are virtually always more efficient than government ones?

I bet you'd have some pretty grade A charities being run by some good people if government would get out of the way

>>731688656
Niggers are assholes. I don'k like assholes.

Been on my own for a very long time.

>>731685443
This whole thread should have stopped with the first comment. The rest of the comments are in a bias mode. Stop arguing semantics and get something done.

>>731686448
Maybe Paula's mother should have kept her legs closed.

>"Hmm I've got a house full of people I can barely afford to feed by working 2 jobs."
>"Plus I've got no chance to be around my kid during her formative years, nor the money to pay for a good school for her"
>"Also a pre-existing medical condition that might kill me before my child is fully grown."
>"Well I guess we better have another kid!"

Fucking poor people logic.

>>731688776
>99% of the time you had some advantage that poor people didn't have
This is the biggest lie ever told.

>>731688383
Tell me why the doctor who has a cure for blindness can't perform his procedure on a patient who needs and wants the surgery done (risks be damned) because on a whim government regulations require the doctor to undergo hundreds of millions of dollars of more testing that he doesn't have.

Look that person in the face and tell him the government is "keeping him safe". He will tell you he doesn't want the government to protect him, he wants to be free to make his own damn decisions!

>>731688751
It really is. Many of people here who don't have their heads completely buried in their asses refer to our current situation as "new feudalism".

>>731688844
Lol this is 4chan, nothing gets done except for pissing in eachothers face

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>>731688656
Why do people always need to have black friends? Virtue signaling? i have always found this to be one of the most idiotic statements it makes no sense. How does having a black friend benefit me or make my life better? Its all retarded speculations and assumptions that any improvements are made through multiculturalism and diversity. I am perfectly happy only being friends with white people.

>>731688451
Let me see here....China is pretty much dominated by a pretty corrupt government, is it not? They're not exactly living in a free market, are they anon?

There there, I know it's hard to have your world views shattered.

>>731688479
Again, you confuse private schools with charter schools. What sort of shitstain private school did you go to?

>>731688898
But it isn't a lie, anon.

>>731688656
And honestly, two of my best friends growing up were Jamaican.

Both of their families and older brothers hated me because I was white.

>>731688575
Believe me, we'd all be a lot better off if we could.

Meanwhile you can go live in the country Lenin created, he stood for communism right? That worked out very well so good luck!

>>731688990
See >>731687904
It's a true fucking story asshole and I know it because he's my dad.

>>731688595
What's more sad is most people's lack of understanding about basic economics.

I can't start a business or compete with anyone in virtually any field. Countless regulations prohibit me because companies court politicians to pass laws that prevent me from competing. Decrease the size of the governement and there are no more favors to be had.

>>731688717
I would prefer not to pay them at all and be given the choice!

>>731688916
Doesnt really seem all that 'new' to me but hey i guess if you put the word new in front of it it doesnt seem like they are back sliding into the middle ages

>>731688479
Wrong. Private schools have incentive to *make money*
Doing well is sometimes, incidentally a byproduct of that goal.
Most of the time? They're just watching the bottom line. If a good teacher pushes kids to succeed and they get C's and cry to mommy and daddy; that teacher gets shit-canned so a complacent drone who will just give A's gets hired.
Wake the fuck up.

>>731688990
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/billionaires-who-came-from-nothing-2013-12

>>731688730
When was the last time you threw down on buying a road? Or how about that time you brought a fire engine?

Honestly I assume people like you are just trolling because I really don't want to believe people can be as stupid as you.

I mean free market is great for harnessing individual creativity and motivation in industries that aren't capital intensive but why the fuck would you not join with other purchasers to negotiate better prices from big companies?

Time-Warner didn't merge because there are a bunch of commie hippies, it made strategic sense.

But seriously faggot you may want to consider lurking moar

>>731689152
>2013-12
Seems legit

>>731689055
Now you're lying. Stop it.

>>731688962
I don't give a shit what you call them as long as the people running the school can fire the teachers whenever the hell they want and promote better learning.

You seem ignorant, so look up what is required to fire a public school teacher here in "murica and ask yourself if that isn't part of the reason why our education system is shit.

>>731688844
>Getsomething done

Serious question, exactly what kind of faggot are you?

>>731685159
It is a fundamental requirement in any functioning society.

But of course the superrich want to roll back Western societies 200 years because they'll never have quite enough cash to spend on lobbyists, manservants, and blow, and you all swallow the propaganda, hook, line, and sinker.

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>>731689217
We'll there it is. Once a liberal is faced with the unvarnished truth they scurry away sad!

>>731689137
>Private schools have incentive to *make money
This is the only reason they provide a school worth a damn in the first place. Without the incentive of money, they become fat, lazy, useless blobs who don't give a shit about the product they are producing and you get the system we have currently.

Profit motivates people to provide a better service. If they don't, people stop paying and put their kids in a different school.

Wake the fuck up.

>>731688846
>Being poor
>Not fucking as often as you can to momentarily relive yourself of crushing depression

Ok how is hat no-fap 2017 going?

>>731686922

Anon, remember what board you're on.
I for one totally agree with you sand you're absolutely right. But you won't get far with that talk of unity here.

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>>731688730
No, dumbass who has obviously never cracked open an economics textbook, but has the gall to suggest others haven't, I prefer a hybrid economy. Like most economic systems on the planet, they use a combination of elements from both macroeconomic systems. Maybe you've heard about this in all the economics books you've read?

Actually, dude, you like authoritarian rule, because you stand idly by while insurance companies bribe ("lobby") elected officials to write legislation that keeps them from having to compete.

So, what you mean to say is you stand for morons.

>>731689341
>Profit motivates people to provide a better service.

Profit motivates people to make more profit. Service is the easiest thing to cut in order to maximize profits.

>>731689208
>When was the last time you threw down on buying a road? Or how about that time you brought a fire engine?

I'm trolling? I'M TROLLING?!!!???!

What are you smoking cause I need some. I pay for that shit every damn day. Each and every time I buy something.

Like I said, you have the attitude of someone who prefers an authoritarian style goverment.

>>731689260
Or could the problem really be that pro-privatization shills like DeVos have demonized teachers unions and fought for fewer teachers, lower pay, and less benefits so that only the worst of the worst are incentivized to take that job?
What if we paid teachers an actual fucking wage instead of fucking them over year over year. Might attract better applicants, eh?
Starting to sound like a free market now, isn't it?

>>731689421
Yep, and then you pay for a different service as a consumer and the cycle repeats itself.

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>>731689251
It must be hard for you to see some of us can do things on our own

>>731689341
see
>>731689486
We agree on something!
Now why can't public schools employ your ideas and just pay people better and hire more teachers.

>>731686752
So the choice you prefer is Honda or Toyota? Not gas-guzzling car vs cheap mass transport? Ok faggot, stay plebeian...

>>731689487
Except you're dead broke, because of hospital bills, and you can't afford to switch to another service, even if the one you were using wasn't another monopoly.

>But m-muh free choice.

>>731689525
Not as hard as it is for you to see all the help you and your pops have had along the way, what with your head so far up your ass all this time.

>>731689419
>I prefer a hybrid economy
Good for you!

I do not!

I love the vile in your comment, notice how I'm not stressed or cussing anyone out or insulting anyone? It's because I'm right, and typically the angrier, violent people are wrong and need to protect something, in this case I'm guessing your pride or ego?

Poor thing, the best you can come up with is "NO YOU"RE THE TYRANT NOT ME!"

you stand idly by while insurance companies bribe ("lobby") elected officials to write legislation that keeps them from having to compete

Hey! Look at that! You're halfway there! Now if only I could get you to realize that without all that power the politicians have there would be no favors to court in the first place and the little man could compete with the big industries on a fair playing field.

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>>731689348
>remembering that a box of condoms or a morning after pill is cheaper than supporting a kid for 18+ years in this economy

Just because someone wants to wait until they can actually support a kid to have one doesn't make them a virgin bruh. My GF doesn't mind the condom after she saw how my younger brother having a kid in his senior year of high school fucked him up financially.

I love my baby niece to death, but holy shit is it expensive to pay off a childbirth in a hospital. Not to mention clothes, diapers, food, school, toys and books. We're perfectly content to wait until we've got our own house. Last thing we need is more Paula's running around complaining that their parents can't support them.

>>731689487
Do you know that for this aspect of free market correction you need more than 10 insurance companies, right?

>>731689487
You do know that for this aspect of free market correction you need more than 10 insurance companies, right?

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>>731689609
>dad dies
>mom abandons him
>pays for college himself
advantages

>>731689597
More companies competing would drive down prices. Government has taken away the competion

>b-b-but free health care works

>>731689260
Ah, yeah, buddy. Being able to fire a college-trained educator like a McDonalds employee is not how you make a better education system. It's how you encourage college students to choose another major.

As for not knowing the difference between a private school and a charter school. Not caring and not knowing, either way, is your ignorance. Just another example why you may not be as smart as you think, and definitely not capable of participating in an adult conversation about economics.

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>>731689701

>>731689701
You do know that in a free market there would be thousands, right?

>>731689784
There certainly were before obama care

>>731685159

Universal healthcare: a societal and governmental philosophy based on the premise that your survival should not be predicated upon how much wealth you have acquired.

Anything else is stating: "You should have made more money if you wanted to survive disease or accidents.

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>>731689634
>...and the little man could compete with the big industries on a fair playing field.

>>731689753
>Being able to fire a college-trained educator like a McDonalds employee is not how you make a better education system

Come back when you have awakened to reality. Then maybe we can have that adult conversation you so desperately desire. I know economics is tough, reality often doesn't agree with idealism and that can be tough for a little guy

>>731689784
Free markets lead to monopolies. It's like you don't even read the economist, much less have any knowledge of economic history.

>>731689741
Yeah...
Not like he had people helping him keep off the streets. Or lived in a country WITH streets. Or near a city with an affordable university. Or got scholarships based on being orphaned. Or got any scholarships at all.
Those things magically exist for literally everyone, everywhere.
Bitch we all get assistance from somewhere. Some get more than others. Assholes pretend they get none at all.

>>731689821
We're starting to break through. HOLY SHIT

>>731689849
MORE BREAKTHROUGH

>>731689862
>Free markets lead to monopolies.
Not in the US they get broken up

>>731689862
Milton Friedman said the only monopoly he couldn't explain was the deBeers diamond monopoly. The rest take care of themselves.

>>731689876
>Being this dense.

>>731689700
Dude your right, if we only had some way to de-frey the cost super expensive yet necessary and universal burdens of living...

>>731689937
Because the US isn't a free market, you mong.

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Trump supports it

>>731689634
Dumbass, there is nor has there ever been an absolute capitalist economy.

I'm not stressed. In fact, calling out idots who lie about studying economics is one of my favorite activities. Looks like I'm having fun, actually.

Lol, then you suggest anarchy as a government system.

You're a moron. Go back to /pol/. Just because you can fail in multiple conversations on a thread simultaneously does not make you qualified to do anything but shut up and lurk moar while the adults discuss adult issues.

At least crack open a basic economics textbook before you start acting like you know shit on the subject.

>>731685885
>Dems had the house and the Senate. They could have done it right and pursued an expansion of Medicare for everyone.
Here's the problem, in order to pass anything, they needed literally every Democrat in the Senate, plus both Independents. One of those Democrats was Joe Lieberman, who campaigned for McCain and kept backsliding on agreements he seemed to make on healthcare, making them scale things back. Lieberman would never have gone for universal healthcare, and since Republicans were committed to denying Obama any accomplishments, that meant that their options were very limited. They barely got Lieberman to go along with the ACA in its current form. I think you could've gotten 80% to 90% of Democrats to go along with universal healthcare, but they needed 100%.

>>731689784
And then we mandate the break of these mega health insurance/drug manufactures. Dude your vision require more government intervention than you realize.

>>731689950
>Muh Authoritah

And Thomas Aquinas said God exists, and the Pope is his will on Earth.

>>731690007
Trump has no idea what he supports. Any seemingly coherent position he stakes out will be contradicted in short order. He's a retarded man-baby.

>>731689634
This is what's wrong with the world today literally. You just had your argument serve back to you and now you're going on a personal attack this is an earmark of every single Flippin Trump supporter and conservative I've ever seen. Why can't you just accept that you're a moron and wrong and own it.

>>731689875
>Not like he had people helping him keep off the streets.
Yep he did like any other abandoned 7 year old in the US
> Or lived in a country WITH streets.
We're talking about the US not your shitty country
> Or near a city with an affordable university
UC Berkeley
Affordable
Pick one
>Or got scholarships based on being orphaned. Or got any scholarships at all.
Nope GI bill and jobs he earned it all on his own
>Those things magically exist for literally everyone, everywhere.
He didn't get them you fucking faggot
>Bitch we all get assistance from somewhere. Some get more than others. Assholes pretend they get none at all.
So the assistance he got was being in America couldn't agree more. That's why I don't want to ruin it with social programs.

What if your all cocksmokes?

I'm convinced

>>731689950
BTW Milton Friedman, although an enormous faggot, advocates for a negative tax for poor people? Basically his version of capitalism compelled him to agree for free hand-out. Who knew?

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>>731690163
this

>>731690200
The GI bill is a social program.

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>>731690271
lol beat me to it

>>731689950
>Milton Friedman said the only monopoly he couldn't explain was the deBeers diamond monopoly. The rest take care of themselves.

That quote has almost no use in this context. You obviously don't know shit but a pithy Friedman quote. Give up the charade already. You're a liar.

>>731685159
Why are we trying to bring healthcare to the whole universe when we aren't sure if there is any life on other planets. I mean we've barely been to the moon but we want to have universal health care?! Let's take care of this planet and worry about the health of the universe later.

Hospitals and Insurance companies will continue fucking the American public until a public option or universal healthcare is an option.

No reason an aspirin should cost 50 dollars.

An ambulance ride isn't over 5000 dollars.

A one night stay at a hospital shouldn't cost you more than an entire week all inclusive vacation to Mexico for you and your family.

But until somebody tells them no they will continue to do it.

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>>731690206
Like a child wandering into an adult conversation...

>>731685876
you pay taxes too but you don't get free healthcare fuckface. At least not until you're old, and by god you know you'll take that handout because you're too stupid to realize your own hypocrisy.

>>731690271
>>731690337
It wasn't a hand out though he spent two years in the military earning his way through school.

>>731690459
>Let's take care of this planet and worry about the health of the universe later.
Racist.

>>731690200
Oh. Oh my... You didn't realize I was being sarcastic about some of that...
The fact that he was born in the US is an advantage, homie. A huge one. If hes white, thats another huge advantage. Male? Advantage. There's tons of little things that add up to make his story real. He can take credit for all his hard work, but don't fucking pretend that everyone just needs to pull harder on their bootstraps. That's insulting to your supposed intelligence.

>>731690530
payed for entirely by taxpayers who themselves get no benefit from it. It's a handout, ya shit-for-brains.

>>731690094
Don't talk shit about muh anarchic-syndicalism...

>>731690095
Not to mention they didn't have the House and Senate for long (4 months).
https://www.quora.com/What-political-parties-controlled-the-House-and-Senate-during-Obamas-presidency

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>>731690601
>taxpayers get no benefit from the military

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>>731690601
To be fair, we all benefit when returning vets can get re-trained and contribute to society.
It's the same for universal healthcare and education. We all benefit when everyone is healthy and well-educated/trained.

>>731690596
I agree with being born American that's why I want to keep it that way. As to the rest I don't see it. Women make as much as men now for the same job and have better access to education. The same is true of minorities.

>>731689858
Healthcare: Doctors need to make a salary comparative to their talents!

Education: Fire all the teachers to show me something I don't like

>>731690715

No what this country needs is more uneducated people who don't pay taxes!

>>731690095
Basically, Obamacare is half-a-loaf. It's really hard to pass large-scale reform, especially when one of the two political parties is dedicated to opposing you, so Obamacare implemented modest enough changes that it could (just barely) get passed. It doesn't fix everything, and really doesn't try to. It's not aiming for a touchdown, but just to move the ball down the field a bit. There is plenty to complain about when it comes to Obamacare, but instead of comparing it to an ideal healthcare plan, you should compare it to what came before it. And generally speaking, it improves on that.

All this thread has done is confirm to me that Americans are not only morons, but morons who dig their own grave and like it

You can spew rhetoric about individualism and meritocracy all you like, I hope it's some comfort to you when you die of an easily preventable disease at a young age because you can't afford basic healthcare

>>731685776
>lives in germany
>Pays a bit
>Never has to worry about shit
>if you want better healthcare get private
>mandatory healthcare
>Paid for thousands worth of operations.

>>731689550
Maybe cause we are blowing our money on expensive military toys and over priced pills?

>>731685598
Because they were forced you fucking retard.

>>731690822
Why you trying to sensible n' shit nigga?

>>731690745
Its really about the things you can't see unless you're aware. Maybe one night a Cop strolled past him instead of stopping and frisking just b/c he's white. Maybe he got more attention from a Prof because he's got that "Alpha male" thing going on... It's subtle shit, but there are literally billions of stories you don't consider because you've got these advantages. Black guys don't necessarily smoke more pot, but they DAMN sure get stopped and arrested for it more... Things like that.

>>731690944

I'd argue the people he's talking about that were saved were the people who couldn't previously get health care because of pre-existing conditions.

Yes unfortunately until the American people have a public option this is probably as good as it is going to get.

>>731690874
OKay, that's why the money isn't there, but why the fierce opposition to just.. paying teachers $80k/yr plus bennies?

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>>731685159
It works. Even if it doesn't work all the time, the principle behind it is completely American in every sense of the word. The idea behind privatized healthcare basically priviledges the rich over the poor. And I think valusing human life depending on how much they earn is a severely anti-American sentiment to hold. You aren't worth more because you make more money, your wealth buys you privileges like bigger houses and nicer cars. That's all it should buy you. Most civilized countries recognize this and that's why universal healthcare is considered a right in those countries. Yeah there might be long wait times and shit, but the idea that you will have to wait like everybody else in-spite of your millions is so humanitarian to me that I can't believe America is the only country in the civilized world not to have implemented it.

>>731691110

People get jealous and then they get angry and then they vote against it.

i live in a country with full health care and actually we spendt 20% less (compared to the gdp) than the usa.

i have no idea what you are doing, but you are doing it so wrong, no way nobody is ripping you off big time.

>>731691234
More like some guy in a nice suit said it was bad and the dumbass Americans believe him.

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>>731691032
Boy you really are stretching now. So in your mind if a homeless guy got a lunch at a soup kitchen once he got an "advantage". Ok whatever.

>>731691276
>i live in a country with full health care and actually we spendt 20% less (compared to the gdp) than the usa.
A sizable chunk of the population in America would rather pay more money if it means they aren't supporting the "moocher class".

>>731685159
One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine.
It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project.
Most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can’t afford it.

But let’s also look from the other side -- at the freedom the doctor loses.
It’s like telling a lie, and one leads to another. First you decide that the doctor can have so many patients. They're equally divided among the various doctors by the government. But then the doctors aren’t equally divided geographically, so a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him, "You can’t live in that town. They already have enough doctors." You have to go someplace else. And from here it's only a short step to dictating where he will go.

Once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man’s working place and his working methods, determine his employment, from here it's a short step to all the rest of socialism -- to determining his pay, and pretty soon your son won’t decide when he’s in school, where he will go, or what they will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do.

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>>731691346
Way to completely ignore/misconstrue my meaning. Stay ignant, mah nigga.

>>731691334

True but a lot of the republican voter base either hates it because they're poor and think 80k is too much and the rich republicans don't want to pay for it.

Even though education is literally the most important thing for the continuation and survival of any nation they don't see it as an investment they see it as a cost.

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>>731691540
>white guy has to deal with having no family or money
>black guy has to deal with racism but is supported by a family
In your mind the black guy is disadvantaged and the white guy is advantaged that's what's fucked up

>>731691599
It hurts my brain; the dissonance.
Righties be like "Privatization will let the market decide what good education is!"
But when you try and convince them that good teachers will be motivated to join public sector work when offered more pay, they don't believe in the market anymore.
I think it's just because if they force the privatization of schools, the schools are no longer beholden to the establishment clause and they can teach everyone that Jesus will ride a dinosaur down from heaven to stop global warming if we'd just burn more coal.

>>731691495
That was a huge leap of conspiracy theory that came from pretty much thin air. Do you have any examples of this happening? Ive never actually seen this in practice. You're saying that distributing doctors around the country, inevitably leads to totalitarian socialism? We've had socialized healthcare in my country since the beginning and our sons and daughters are free to choose whichever career they like.

>>731691007
>Why you trying to sensible n' shit nigga?
Sorry. I meant that Obamacare is going to take away your guns and tell you what kind of car you can drive. (Something this chucklefuck actually claimed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rikEWuBrkHc )

>>731691751
Still imagining I said things I never said, eh? I bet you're a blast at parties.
Black men are handed a single type of disadvantage in this country from the day they're born. That's all. Maybe they have supportive families, maybe they're born wealthy. That's fine. But they're still black, and that still counts. It's like you think those "At least I'm not Black" memes are totally ironic and devoid of any meaning.

>>731685598
The people that didn't have it before were idiots.. fuck em. Take it away again.. nothing lost.. these social justice faggots have no say.. they think we forgot the last 8 years.. nope.. but they will cry and we enjoy that.

>>731690647
we get no direct benefit from the GI program. YOU just went full retard dumbass.

>>731691452

you are saying that there a lot of americans who want to pay more money for a shitty health care, as long as other people are more fucked?

sounds reasonable. the us are sure the greatest country in the world

>>731691452
Hold on...

LMFTY:

>A sizable chunk of the population in America would rather pay more money while they know others die and suffer because of it. They will literally pay more not to help others.

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>>731691863
You sir , get it.
The rest of the dick riders have no clue as to what the fuck just happened.
Pic related- it's them

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>>731692024
The gi bill was why he served society benefited from his service retard I bet you think people who get year end bonuses at work didn't earn them either

>>731691495
Hey, again, fucking moron who never studied economics. Since the city your supposed doctor wants to live in is saturated with doctors already, wouldn't the competition force supposed doctor out of that city anyway? You're suggesting the public be underserved by doctors instead of more efficiently serving patients. You keep saying stupid shit some moron would say on Fox News and calling it economics. Quit frontin'.

>>731691995
So in your mind who does NOT have an advantage?

>>731685615
Single payer with a public option.
True universal health care, not this white collar highway robbery the rebublicans once again want to cause.

>>731692116

>society benefited from his service

Service in the Americas can armed forces? Benefiting society?

Highly debatable.

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>>731692213
You could say the same about fast food employees

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So when I do this i get free healthcare right?

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>>731692116
oh so he didn't do it to serve his country? He did it for a taxpayer handout?

And year-end bonuses in the private sector are no way comparable to the GI bill you thundering moron.

>>731692213
It's true fuckwit.
We send troops to secure strategic national interests, like oil, so you can have cheap shit.

>>731692343

when you post a picture with this much jpeg and an imgflip.com tag un-ironically is when you know /b/ is long dead.

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>>731686137
>MSNBC

>>731692343
see
>>731690007

>>731692424
>attacks source without reading content
kysf

>>731692458
And guess what fucknugget? We can't have nice things if we let the flood gates open like you idiots want

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>>731692382
>And year-end bonuses in the private sector are no way comparable to the GI bill you thundering moron.
It was a part of his compensation just like any bonus or pension is for anyone else. He was paid to do a job. The comp just came after he did the job. Welcome to the real world.

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>>731692400
yeah fuckwit!

>>731692167
Infants that die before their first birthday?
I'm not trying to convince you that everyone has it so easy and that nobody needs to work hard or anything.
I'm trying to help you see that while hard work is very important; and there *are* lazy people that don't take responsibility; Many (most?) successful people don't give anywhere NEAR enough credit to all the people and institutions and secret biases that helped them along the way.
I guess what I'm really advocating for is humility regarding our own successes and skepticism toward the narrative that the have-nots are just lazy.

>>731692410
Kiss your life goodbye you scrotum licking summerfag cumdrip.

>>731692489

it's page 1 of being a republican.

deflect, discredit and redirect to something else.

HER EMAILS! BENGHAZI!

>>731692531
>not a refutation
oh child, please try harder.

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>>731690007
The man had a beef with Canada's free trade agreements and threatened to abolish NAFTA. A day later he agreed that he wouldn't abolish NAFTA.

>>731685159
we got it in finland. it means you get painkillers for every ill as fuck all else.

>>731692400

not the poster you referred too.

have you ever noticed how much more terrorists there are since afghanistan, irak, libya?

do you think there is actual a correlation between bombing muslim countries and the rise of numbe of muslim terrorists?

what a great service by our gi joes.

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>>731692489
>reading fake news

>>731692568

When you post that picture and call someone a summerfag.

This place is full of facebook commenters and people who have no sense of humor.

Back to /pol/ pls.

>>731691495
Welp here it is folks, the dumbest shit I've ever heard

This shitty little piece of rhetoric had been thoroughly debunked by both the theory and practise of universal healthcare and yet you cling to it still. I suppose that makes sense though, your McCarthy-est fear of the socialist boogyman is probably your most rational argument.

Oh well. I hope your grow old and are cared for well by universal healthcare, and I hope your irrational disdain for it rattles around in your head until the day you die, surrounded by doctors and nurses in a hospital paid for by the taxes of you and others. Most of all I hope your dying thought is one of utter confusion, the conflict between what you believe and what is real coming sharply into focus

>>731692541
the taxes paid on my bonus pay for that GI bill, it's not a valid comparison.

I bet your love of promised compensation packages for government workers doesn't extend to inner-city black city workers who are having their pensions gutted by Republican politicians.

>>731685885
>the so called left
that's the issue. yo guys got two partys who reprezents only the richest. whoever it will be, reps or dems, you're fucked.

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>>731692576
>t. asshurt Hillary voter

kek

>>731692580
Yeah, you can't explain how we can afford universal healthcare, be at the top of the world in terms of influence, and have open or lenient borders.

Yeah no fucking argument. Shutdown.

>>731692618
>proving my point
check this out:

https://youtu.be/JqKoSqzWxs8

>>731692609
So you don't like cheap goods? It's not just fuel.
Either you deal with terrorism or you get to live like Russia.

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>>731692629
<----- Go back to where you belong.

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>>731692562
Well if everyone has an advantage that reaches adulthood than saying 99% of successful people have advantages is an understatement. It looks like every adult has them and should pay for their own healthcare.

>>731692677
the cost of open borders is highly debatable given that it deflates the cost of our entire food supply chain.

Considering the majority of our discretionary spending is towards the military, I got a good fucking idea as to where we could start cutting some fat. Plus we should start taxing the rich more, like Trump said we should last year.

>>731692675

Still bringing up the election

>kek

Move on kid.

>>731692618

It's a statistical and mathematical breakdown of the Republican Healthcare proposal. Statistics and analysis are the silent killer of the GOP.

Perhaps you could find a more acceptable article that's been approved by the Bureau of Alternative Facts and Propaganda without all those scary numbers in it?

Remember, the truth has a well established liberal bias.

>>731686248
Then just cut down the war budget, it deserves it. Then you'll have lots of dollars to revaluate

>>731686973
>Oh man, this is great! If I had to pay for this on my own I'd be a little more judicious, but since I'm spending other people's money.....hooray!!!! No consequences at all! I know! I'll go to the doctor when my balls itch and have him scratch them. That'd be funny! I love when things are free!

People don't do this any more in public systems than they do private systems. going to the doctor is a chore and people have shame. Tbh I've seen more middle-class people turning up at the doctor with fuck all wrong (the sort who would definately have insurance if my country was privatised) than I have working class people.

>>731692677
"You can't fix literally all of society's problems in one post on an internet shitboard? Ignored."
>FTFY

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>>731692743
>Links to youtube

Maybe while I'm there I can read up on the 6 underground megalithic cities around the world, and the conspiracy to hide their existence.

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>>731692670
They pay for all military cost in fact they pay for all government workers unless your saying that none of those people deserve to paid for what you do then your point is shit

>>731692820
So you know what happens when you cut military spending? Lose control of overseas interests. Other nations take the resources and cut deals.

When you lose control of that, guess what? who's going to pay for you universal healthcare?

Look at the bigger picture.

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>>731692903
someone's afraid of the contents...

>>731692802
>implying everyone is advantaged in the same ways and to roughly the same extent.
That's fine. This is fine.

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>>731686137
>www.msnbc.com

my sides

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>>731692677
>lambasts other commenter for not using an argument or logic
>somehow brings immigration into the argument
>somehow thinks america can't afford universal healthcare
>somehow thinks America is at the top of anything
>provides no evidence or even argument for any of these assertions
>proceeds to act like he won the 'argument'

wow rlly makes u think

>>731688182
>Raising the minimum wage has actually decreased the amount of jobs and on the job
Raising min wage has a negligible impact on jobs. Turns out employers really don't employ people out of the goodness of their hearts and never have.

>>731692944

Reading this.

The military industrial complex and globalists have won.

I wish America was still a non-interventionist country.

>>731692935
well the GI bill is optional compensation so it's still a shitty stupid attempt at a comparison. We the taxpayers pay for it and get no direct benefit. Most soldiers don't even use it, which makes sense since most soldiers don't exactly have academic inclinations.

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>>731692987
>Implying someone who has no money or parents growing up is advantaged

>>731685159
You mean universal welfare?
It's going to work just as well as all of the other times that politicians give away your money for political favors with no regard to what their countries actually need to function.
After all, isn't that how our Venezuelan overlords conquered the world?

>>731692843

The fuck? We GOP now, we going to war with someone we hope won't fight back and we gonna blunder that motherfucker into another American Military Clusterfuck. North Korean men with sling shots and enough rations to eat once a week will get to see what every other country the GOP invades gets to see. The USMC running away, tails firmly tucked between legs.

The United States of America's military tears will quench the thirst of yet another impoverished nation.

>>731692400

>we wage war so pay less for shit.

What a benefit to society!

And the only price I pay for these bargains is a continued and increasing threat to national security, the animosity of the rest of the world and I guess a bigger military to deal with the threats that are making me get a bigger military to deal with the threats that are making me get a bigger military to deal......

>>731692903
Don't bother m8, liberal fucktards are such autists, they don't have any facts so they make shit up and post CNN fake news articles, cry and call people names when they're wrong, and then they project that onto others because they're uneducated faggots with zero sense of self awareness.

>>731693076
>optional compensation so it's still a shitty stupid attempt at a comparison
So is a 401k

>>731692944
>implying all military expenses are valid and worthwhile ones
you are terribly naive. F35 much?

This photo must be deleted,

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>>731692953
>An edited YouTube video made by someone with an agenda is proof of anything

kek

>>731693082
Dude, I started off doubting your story. Now I'm doubting your literacy.
My claim is that in spite of having no parents and no money, he is inherently advantaged over some others in different circumstances.

>>731688730

Healthcare freedom is fucking retarded. It's like firefighter freedom or police freedom. What sort of healthcare system would you like to be looked after by? Because it's the exact same system everyone else wants - one that will make you better with the best specialists and equipment available, treat you well and allow you to make decisions about your healthcare where appropriate.

Like saying for the fire service "we need to privatise this shit. Some People would be happy to have their stuff burn. Maybe others don't want to pay to be paying to cover the costs of rescue from burning buildings".

>>731693098
Right, well done, that's exactly what he means. You've really out-maneuvered him there bud

It's not like universal healthcare is actively employed successfully in almost every single other first world country or anything. Because that would negate your whole argument. Wouldn't want that

>>731685598
Your argument is like saying that at least the millions of rape victims aren't virgins anymore.

>>731693126
I posted video evidence. Cowards like you won't watch it because you know it contradicts your pathetic little worldview. You see the CNN watermark and you breathe a sigh of relief knowing that you can deflect reality by screeching "fake news" even as the video proves reality.

Or you straight-up reject reality like this idiot>>731693223

>>731693234
>My claim is that in spite of having no parents and no money, he is inherently advantaged over some others in different circumstances
Who?

>>731693247

I know my shit doesn't catch fire and I'm tired of paying for other people's shit catching fire.

Its not fair.

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Gonna be fun watching Amerifats die in the streets of curable illness's because they were to stupid to realize they voted in a total moron, good going.

>>731693282
you seem upset

off yourself

>>731693145
paid for by taxpayers? Your comparison is shite, admit it fuckface. You goddamn military welfare queens are the biggest bunch of hypocrites.

>>731693346
suicide is for cowards. You know, the kind that refuse to face reality.

>>731685598
You obviously didn't have your health insurance costs go to $18000/year with shittier coverage and higher copays for your healthy family.

>>731693351
So if a taxpayer pays a person's salary it's a hand out?

>>731693335
gonna be even more fun when brits starve to death bc their economy collapsed

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>>731685159
>How does /b/ feel about universal health care?

Well anything is better than Obamacare

>>731692745

>implying the cost of oil wasn't low before
>implying i need a shit ton more time if i want to fly is something i want

name one good thing that came out of the war on terrorism. can you do that?

and it's a bit ironic. i want to have cheaper healt care, that actually works. like in norway, sweden, austria, france etc. where they have a much broader health care for less money.

you logic sounds trump to me.

>>731693381
so youre going to off yourself asap?

good deal and godspeed

>>731693396
now you're figuring it out

>>731693282
LOLOLOLOLOL You actually live in a paranoid fantasy world, kid.

>>731693442
I'm sharing reality, not denying it. Try harder bitch.

>>731686060
Dane here
All med expenses covered by taxes
Public system too slow ? Company covers me and wife + kids until 21 yrs of age - no limits.
Education that eventually landed me here was free.
Life is good

>>731693472
>video evidence
>paranoid fantasy world
wew lad

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>>731693448

>>731693394

What state do you live in?

>>731693477
you children are cute with your imaginary friends

>>731693282
>this weak leftist pussy got triggered

fucking lmao

>>731693497
must be nice not having a massively bloated military to pay for

>>731693290
A man whose existence I doubt.
Supposedly abandoned at seven years old, no family. Joined military and used GI bill to get PhD in Chemistry or some shit.
My claim: He's advantaged. Male? check. White (I assume). Able-bodied enough to join the military? check. Not born to foreigners? check. Hombre was not *extremely* fortunate, but just cause he started with a shitty deal and made his ends doesn't mean everyone who needs public assistance is a fucking leech. Life is harder on some people than others, and some people are less able to deal with their circumstances just by chance.

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>>731693499
>video evidence
>what is video editing

kek

>>731693603
oh so you have the link to the original, unedited version to back up your claim of editing?

>>731693499

The repubs will do anything to avoid having an actual discussion.

And if they do actually engage a conversation the tone will just change to, "oh, well you're a paid shill."

>>731693653
it's so predictable it makes me think they might just be more mercerbots that have been activated

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>>731693477
>I'm sharing reality
>posts youtube clip

May as well have cited CNN lmfao xD

>>731693402
Our economy is doing just fine, We don spend 56Billion on warfare like you idiots do, Its like your government wants to exterminate its people, feed them shit food send them to war then deny them basic health care.

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>>731693642
Sorry, not my job to prove your claims :)

>>731693746
>didn't watch it
it's a video of Trump talking and it was from CNN. Right wing retards bleat about "video editing" but they got nothing to prove it.

Fact is, Trump praised Australia's healthcare system on live TV. Retarded Trumpkins just can't deal with that.

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>>731693580
>white able bodied guys have advantages over everyone else regardless of their background
I bet you hate yourself because you're a white guy

>>731693822
>already proved my claims
now YOU prove YOUR claim that it is edited video. Lrn2Logic reeeetard.

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>>731693603
Youtube link, quickest way to discredit yourself.
This is why trump won. Baseless accusations with no evidence, wouldn't expect anything less from a liberal fucktard TBH.

>>731693852

And then later said on Twitter after being asked about it that, "of course they have better healthcare!"

>>731693822

it was your claim that the video was editet. you are one special snowflake, aren't you?

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>>731693852
>things that didn't happen

lol

>>731693931
>scared of video contents, refuses to watch
such craven behavior on a saturday morning.
>>731693933
screencap?

>>731693989
another coward afraid of a video less than a minute long. Were your parents cowards too?

>>731693858
You lost that bet, nigga.
But I am woke to the fact that I've got a better chance of getting jobs, not getting hassled by cops, not getting shot, getting a home loan, getting a home in a nice place than most other people.
I also know I never had a chance to get into the military because I had cancer at 18. Should I have just worked harder to not have cancer?

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>>731693891
>already proved my claims
>youtube video

hahahahahahaha

>>731694101
No your parents should have kept you on their insurance since you had that advantage.

>>731694136
>afraid of a 56 second video
I've stepped on bugs with more spine than you cowards.

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>>731693933
>"of course they have better healthcare!"

.02 has been credited to your account

>>731694022
kid get a new word to spam besides coward

youre embarrassing yourself

>>731694136

imgflip.com

same guy keeps posting these images and all it does is immediately mark him as a shill lol.

Bro you should post some sick memes. Got any with 9gag watermarks?

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>>731694239
>triggered af

kek

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>>731694325

>>731694214
And they did, and it was awesome. I still worked hard, went to college, got an okay job; But I'm not ignorant that I've got the deck kind of stacked in my favor- It pisses me off when ppl shit on the poor/minorities/women like "Why don't you just work more?"