How is it health reform if people are losing healthcare coverage?

go away libcuck

it's a tax cut for rich people and doesn't repeal anything, it just changes a few financial things

>>731544080
durr durr durr i'm a fascist troll on 4chan durr durr durr

>>731544489
>doesnt repeal anything
>letting states choose if they want to allow pre-existing conditions

are you completely retarded?

>>731543966
Just because it passed the house does not make it law. It still needs to go through the senate

Because people who work don't have to pay 20k a year to pay for your lady ass living at home snowflakes

>Doing taxes this year
>Getting that sweet fuckin refund
>Healthcare portion shows up
>Didn't have Healthcare at all for 2016
>End up getting owing $800 because I didn't have fucking Obamacare

Good riddance.

>>731543966
Because Americans are categorically the stupidest fucking country in the world, even taking into account countries where they can't even figure out how to use a toilet and resort to shitting in the street instead. At least they're a never ending source of laughs for the rest of us.

>>731547131
Who are "the rest of us"? Where do you live?

>>731544080
You go away and take your facist turd brain Trumpnite's with you. Nobody wants to here from a bunch of cucks that are too dumb to know that they have been totally betrayed.

>>731545846
Same thing, just passing the heat to the shiteating Republican state legislature. Such dumb cuckery.

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You're forgetting that republican politicians are keeping their healthcare. It's reform because no everyone else is paying for it!

>in b4 dems did it so it's cool if the republicans fuck over the american people
>fuck dems and reps

Hahahahahahaha fuck Americans. Where i live all medication and services are free.

>>731546184

You're really bad at math

>>731547131
Now thanks to dumb cucks and russian bootlickers we'll die in the streets from treatable illnesses. I'm personally going to do my best to fuck over every person I know that is a conservative cucks Trump supporter. Hope you are a patient on my floor you raging faggot.

>>731546338
I hope you get penile cancer and it gets ruled a pre-existing condition.

>>731548650
There was a separate bill passed unanimously by the House ensuring that everyone who voted for this bill WILL be affected if it ever does pass. Emphasis on "if" since the bill will be completely revised in the Senate if Republicans want to pass it.

>>731543966
Obama

>>731550066
and you think the senate wont revise the second bill?
C U C K S
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>>731543966
obviously the House passed it because they wanted to say they had repealed Obamacare.

it will die in the Senate so it's not like it matters, calm down.

>>731551191
>it will die in the Senate
how do you know that?

>>731551348
because the Republican majority is slimmer there and any revisions will alienate the conservatives in the House that passed the bill in the first place.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/senate-wont-vote-on-house-passed-healthcare-bill/article/2622152

>>731549514
>>731543966

Why do you amerifags call sick people "people with pre-existing conditions"?
>You're SICK
>need treatment
>cant get because you're sick.

>Murifag logic

>>731551522
The common opinion now is that senate will revise and send it back down, and this process will repeat until kinks have been worked out.

I think it's extremely likely that Republican leadership and DJT will lean hard, and they'll pull the 50 yea votes they need for Pence to tie-break it into law.

You heard it here first.

>>731543966
idk, i lost health coverage after obamacare though so nothing will change for me

>>731551742
In an ideal world, that's how it would work. But republicucks control both houses, and they voted in trump - just goes to show how stupid the system is. You really think that the majority of awful bugs will be worked out, and everyone will mostly be happy? Hahah.

>>731548927
Here's your (You) doc.

Healthcare was too expensive either way so it's all a wash for me.

Rural people shouldn't vote and Trump proves why.

>>731552071
>segregation worked so well last time

>>731548927
>do no harm

nice to see things are changing

Yep. Should be interesting to see the parents of children diagnosed with cancer, go on shooting sprees when they have no coverage. I'm not talking about the lazy-ass welfare fucks either.

>>731551849
Oh god no, it's an awful law written by trash people. And whatever they end up with will be awful. I know who is in power.

But even the soulless Republican senators know that after today, all eyes are on them. And with bad CBO scores, low public opinion, and every camera in journalism pointed at them, several will feel pressure to mount revisions. These revisions, if they come (again, I think they'll just push this abortion of a law through) will be minor, popular concessions the make moderate republicans at least content.

>>731552279
Have to clear the riff raff one way or another.

@ACLU to Trump on his religious liberty Executive Order: "We will see you in court, again."

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/860320079225004032

Trump just now to Australia's PM: "You have better health care than we do." FYI: Australia has universal health care.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/860288221472804865

>>731543966
have job, nice insurance plan pay 400 mo, covers family. anti american racist muslim monday president says fuck you working man, you have it too good. i gots to make sure all the libtards, mondays and illegals have healthcare. fuck having them actually work for their shit, im gonna take what you have and give it to them. now your 400 mo good plan is now 1200 a month for a shitty one. and if you dont go bankrupt trying to pay for everyone elses healthcare i got a nice unconstitutional tax waitin for you. of course you libtards have the same mentality as the mondays and the illegals, you play the victim so you call the working guy names for not wanting to pay a third his monthly salary to take care of whiny fucks

>>731552441
>eugenics worked so well last time

>>731552279
im not the guy you replied to and he can go fuck himself but it never says "do no harm" in the hippocratic oath, look it up.

>>731552441
>riff raff

my sides

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>>731552572
it's worse if you're also a business owner, broke my arm on the job one day, told the hospital i was painting the house so he wouldn't go bankrupt

>>731548809
>Where i live all medication and services are free.

no, they're not

So much for promises.

https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/860208748270419968

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>>731545413

>>731543966
>on second thought
Trump has NEVER EVER once stated Obama care is "so bad"

It is beyond terrible and his new Healthcare plan soon will be so much better.

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>>731547131
>jelly loser detected

>>731543966
every trump voter needs to get cancer and enjoy death since they're mostly poorfags

>>731553621
Just start setting trailer parks on fire.

>>731547131
citation needed

because poor people make me sick.

>>731554025

>voted in trump, a conman
Enough for you?

>>731543966
Herp Derp muh Trumpz

>>731554195
i didn't vote trump, and no it isn't, go ask Myriam Webster what citation means

>>731554326

Of course you didnt you cuckstain. The country did. Ergo your country is stupid because it got conned by a conman.

>>731548650
I would very much like the source on that girl.

>>731554466
>28.5% of eligible americans voted
>14.8% voted trump
>14.8% = 100%

get off your high horse, your conmen are no different from mine

>hurr durr my politicoo can pee farther than yours

>>731554466
It was really only our rural filth who got conned by him. The problem is our electoral college system give the rural trash a bigger voice than people elsewhere in the country so they kinda dragged all of us onto their train of stupid.

>>731543966
I feel bad for the real cuckservatives. The poor poverty level dumbfucks who voted red in red States. I am wealthy enough to not be affected but these dumb fuckistanians in red States are going to get reamed by their local governments.

>>731555150
only 28.5% of eligible voters voted, maybe if we didn't have such shit tier candidates like shillery or drumpf then things wouldn't be so god awful

>>731555749
Maybe if more people voted we wouldn't have shit-tier candidates, and the rural trash wouldn't be able to hijack the rest of the country to advance their stupid horseshit.

>>731555891
....are you retarded? who the fuck in their right mind would vote for either clown in the vain hope that something better hill come along? fish don't sit around waiting to get caught, you need to bait the fucking hook with something they want, in this case that would be a candidate that isn't literally made of dog shit

>>731556141
>obvious solution is to stop voting
What's it like being retarded?

>>731547131
This. I hope shit like this keeps happening. I hope it gets worse and worse. I want to see the mental gymnastics burgerclaps do to justify their country going to shit. I want to see horror. I want to see packs of feral dogs roaming streets. I want it to get as bad as it could possibly get.

They'll either smarten up and fix their shit or, more likely, they'll bury their heads, accuse everyone else of being jealous, and just let their nation burn.

Understand, burgers, we're not jealous. You think you're that Chad at the party that's hitting on all the bitches and everyone hates you because we're mad jelly. In actuallity, you're a lone toddler wandering around a party that doesn't seem to belong to anyone and we're all confused and concerned because we don't know why the fuck you're there and don't want you to get hurt.

>>731556451
nice straw man, wanna know why only 1/4 of america voted? because our candidates only attract zealots and useful idiots, and any candidate that attracts the remaining 3/4 are buried by the media which has been bought and sold on both sides. i never said we shouldn't vote, all i did was explain why people don't waste their time voting for something that will have the same outcome with either choice.

>>731556722
>>731554979

>>731543966
>How is it health reform if people are losing healthcare coverage?

It's a fucking bullshit lie and EXTORTION to give the big insurance companies a nice gift with the IRS as an enforcer to make sure everybody pays up. Do you have a choice?

Bend over, fucktardo.

>>731556856

This.

>>731555150
Yeah, but it wasn't just that your system happened to give the bumblefucks an advantage. It was set up that way. That's the real problem here. Not necessarily that our systems are stupid and don't work, but that they're manipulated by corrupt assholes to ensure they get the outcome that they want.

The entire system needs an overhaul, top to bottom. That won't happen, though, because the people who benefit from it won't allow it.

>>731554979

>14.8% voted trump
>trump is president

nice country you have there, retard.

>>731557066
>my politicoos can pee farther than yours

>>731554979
unless you live in a contested state your vote literally does not matter

i feel bad for people who vote red in california, talk about futile enterprises

>>731546338
lol I work at the IRS and deal with you morons all day

>>731546338
>don't earn money last two years
>not legally obliged to file a tax return
>no letter from the IRS demanding my penaltax
feelsgoodman but it will probably be a problem when i get a job and have to file

Proverbs 22:16New International Version (NIV)

One who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and one who gives gifts to the rich—both come to poverty.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+22:16

>>731558950
Matthew 16:26(KJ probably, not sure)

What profit is it to a man to gain the world and lose his own soul?

>>731557790

no income means you don't have to have insurance are people really this fucking stupid? I mean the exemptions have only been around for 7 fucking years.

>>731559877
are you positive? i didn't sign up for public healthcare like MEDICAID either because filling out govt paperwork is worse than death to me.

>>731559877

Fox didn't tell them about that part.

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>>731557319
>work at the IRS

It's not too late, anon.

House GOP Just Voted to Slash Medicaid — Which Pays for 60 Percent of People in Nursing Homes

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/04/house-gop-just-voted-to-slash-medicaid-which-pays-for-60-percent-of-people-in-nursing-homes/

>>731548165
>Turd brain
>Made unfathomably more money than you will ever make
What does that make you, then, genius?

>My parents had shitty genetics and raised me poorly. Why isn't everyone else responsible for my welbeing?

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If rape is now considered a pre-existing condition and we've all just been fucked by this bill, will no one be able to get health insurance going forward?

>>731563159
this... if I ever get gravely ill I genuinely would never expect or want anyone to pay for my healthcare; I would rather die.

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Good lord, all politics shit should be universally banned from 4chan because none of you faggots aside 1 or 2 have any idea what you're talking about.It's just a buncha hired marketers yelling at hired marketers with a buncha retards inbetween who chose to take sides like they actually exist.

Congrats you got a serious reply.

>>731564200
>hired marketers yelling at hired marketers with a buncha retards inbetween who chose to take sides
You just summed up elections as a whole.

>>731564337
Especially the last one yea.

>>731550066
That "second bill" will never pass the senate, because it needs 60 votes. If it adds to the deficit long term it can't be passed through reconciliation

>>731551742
In order to qualify for the 50 vote threshold, the bill needs to show that it won't add to the deficit long term. With no CBO score, no one knows if it can pass the Byrd rule or not

>>731543966
>How is it health reform if people are losing healthcare coverage?
Well, if you define "Niggers" and "Deadbeats" as "People" then you are correct.

>>731565021
Exactly how we classify the rural filth as people too.

>>731565021
>All that improper capitalization.
Should we classify the illiterate as people?

>>731560576
What's that supposed to mean?

>>731543966
What happens when the mentally ill lose their medications? What if they all lose it at the same time we're all fucked.

This thread is a perfect example of why the government needs to stay the fuck out of our lives.

>>731559877
Yes, people are that stupid. I have to deal with these idiots all day long.

Thank god for the NHS.

>>731565458
OK, Snowflake

>>731543966
healthcare isn't a right and it never was and it never will be. get the fuck over it you poor scrub

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>>731543966
Thing about this thread is that the only people here that support this aren't from America and have no idea what they're talking about. The ones that do know what they're talking about are Drumpf shills from the don. Nothing of what he promised on the trail is in this plan. This is one of the worst plans of all time drumpf himself has no fucking clue what's in it. If you're an American and you support this bill you're brain dead. I don't know a single person who got fucked by Obamacare and if you did what the fuck is going on with you? Like what is your situation? Explain to me how Obamacare fucked you over please?

>>731566238
I guarantee you won't refuse healthcare when you inevitably reach your death bed you hypocritical faggot.

I'm thankful now that me, as someone who is young, healthy, and doesn't really have a major need for health insurance, will not have to pay $750 a month for a premium for a plan we barely use.

I have to pay more so that conditions like "transexualism, obesity, bulimia, anorexia, seasonal affective disorder, acid reflux, heart burn, and sexual deviation or disorder" can be paid for?

And the sheer amount of people on medicaid in my state baffles me. I see these people all the time (i'm a doctor, my clinic accepts medicaid for now). The number of people who are on medicaid and shouldn't be is staggering.

>>731546090
Because the Democrats have majority there?

>>731562976
Probably not a con man or a weak human being that preys on the impulses and fears of lesser minded people to obtain power. I wonder if the Donald was fisappointed when he found out the seat in the oval office was not a golden throne.

>>731566546
Have you ever had major surgery? think carefully before you shitpost at me again. I have been under general anesthetic 3x and I am hardly even 25 yet. I've been catheterized, distended, and catheterized again. I actually have a spinal fusion bracing my vertebrae together. I have had enough radiation dosages to fry a rodent.

I still don't think healthcare is a right you stupid faggot. Now shut the hell up and go be poor elsewhere

>>731566646
They don't. But not all Republicans are on board with unquestioningly sucking Trump's cock.

>>731566839
You've benefited from it more than most. You've accepted its help. You would be dead without it. What makes you so special that you deserve it but no one else does?

>>731567040
>What makes you so special that you deserve it but no one else does?
I don't deserve it. I have parents that can pay for it or else have the coverage provided to them which is provided to me.

I forgot that I have spent 7 whole days in a hospital bed. I've had morphine drip and been handed bottles of 50mg vicodin like it was candy. I've had a blood transfusion. None of this makes healthcare a right... it never will. I won the genetic lottery by being born to parents I can benefit from. That doesn't mean that the entire system needs to crash because you are a sensitivefag

>>731557252
>my politician's dad can beat up your politician's dad!

>>731543966
They said they'd reform it.

They never said they'd reform it into something positive.

Out of curiosity, when one doesnt have healthcare for 60 days(was it?) Premiums go up for the entire year by 30% right? Is that statistically less than the fine for not having healthcare in the ACA plan? Tbh I think its bullshit that both these laws forcibly do this to people.

>>731566839
Fucking bullshit lies

>>731567676
wait till you grow a benign tumor in your back anon. then you can call other people bullshit. until then fuck your own face

benign spinal osteoblastoma in case you want to look it up instead of being a faggot loser that you are

>>731567356
I agree, you don't deserve it. Maybe if such accomodations could be provided to a human being with a philanthropic bone in their body this world could be at least one step closer to being a better place.

>>731567528

Trump sure as shit did. He repeatedly boasted about replacing obamacare with something where everyone would be covered, their premiums would be lower, and the cost of the program would be lower. And it would be super-easy to do this.
The real question is why are people so deluded that they continue to support Trump when he announces "who knew healthcare could be so complicated?" and proceeds to propose a plan where tens of millions of people would lose coverage and everybody except the wealthy would be paying more. And this is par for the course on everything. Yet these morons still believe he's wonderful.

>>731567356
I guarantee they didn't pay for that out of pocket. That's at least a million-dollar medical bill. You're the reason the rest of us have to pay such high premiums.

You're also continuing to miss the point that you didn't do jack shit to earn your healthcare. Daddy and his company paid for it.

>>731567838
Good hope you die faggot. You're obviously a little entitled shit. You say you won the generic lottery? Well apparently not with a fucking tumor.

>>731567853
>philanthropic bone
fuck you didn't mention you were a pseudo intellectual fag as well. the fact that I have this much work done on me at my young age and yet still tell you that I don't think that healthcare is a right (neither does 99% of history) should tell you that this is a political matter and not some bullshit talking point
>>731567972
>daddy and his company paid for it
yes that is exactly what I am saying. and it still doesn't make healthcare a right. you aren't even sick faggot you are just bitching
>>731567993
but the tumor was removed and I have insane hardware that I will wear for the rest of my life. doesn't make healthcare a right and it never will. I will lose my healthcare privileges in less than a year or so and then I will be a poor faggot like the rest of you. and I am okay with this

>>731568247
At this point there is just something seriously wrong with this autistic douche. Well have fun sucking daddys cock for the year you got left.

>>731566839
If your children had your conditions and you couldn't afford to get them treatment, you'd sure as shit be singing a different tune.
Or you're a psychopath; only a psychopath would think it's ok for their children to die because you couldn't afford healthcare

>>731568433
wow you didn't have to get this butthurt about it. is it because I can actually have a conversation based on political wit instead of muh "everyone should be nice to everyone and it hurts muh feelings waaaahhhhhh" go cry a river and drown in it.
you want to talk actual numbers? there are 350m people in this country give or take 20m ILLEGAL FAGS who shouldn't be here in the first place. you think healthcare is expensive now.. but you want to give it free to everyone? wew fucking lad you are dumb
>>731568494
I don't have any children. I don't want any children until I can afford them or to have them covered. Your move idiot. Condoms aren't that expensive either, not that you will ever need them

>>731566479
>how did you get fucked exactly?

Obamacare specifically outlawed interstate competition which, in turn, created the insurance monopolies that exist today and raised everyone's premiums anywhere from 30-100%. Yes, premiums literally doubled in some areas and the federal government watchdog groups are in charge of stopping monopolies, not creating them like he did. Anything trump is doing now is trying to clear up the nuclear waste that obama left behind on purpose.

>>731568247
>you aren't even sick faggot you are just bitching
The point is that we all get sick eventually and we'll all accept healthcare when it happens. Hospitals won't refuse a dying patient. We end up paying for it eventually, whether it's through higher premiums, taxes to fund government-provided healthcare, or watching healthcare providers go bankrupt and shut down. You faggots who cry about healthcare not being a right are ignoring the fact that it basically is. We'll all need it, we'll all get it. The problem now isn't who SHOULD get it, the problem is how do we pay for it knowing that everyone is going to get it anyway. And you faggots who have already drawn millions of dollars out of the system and are now trying to shut that system down are the most hypocritical shitheads around.

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This entire thread in a nutshell.

>>731568817
it's much bigger than that. I will refer you to my last post here....>>731568644
it IS about who will get it.. 350m people and 20m don't belong because they don't even have fucking papers.

So why don't I just run to Canada to get their great healthcare? Oh wait people already do that. You are the leech

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healthcare as a "right"

kek

>>731545413
>fascist
lmao fucking idiot

>>731568982
>You are the leech
No, anon. Technically YOU are the leech. You've taken far more from the system than you could ever hope to contribute. So far, all I've done is pay into that system to fund your healthcare. You're welcome. Faggot.

>>731543966

It is reform because i am no longer paying for other people. their problems are no longer my problems the way it is supposed to be.

>>731568663
Well they didn't double for anyone I know. Where did all this happen specifically?

>>731569186
lmao you have paid nothing you idiot. you have paid for the (shitty) healthcare that you have received and my healthcare has been provided through insurance and coverage offered to my parents because they work hard. and I am grateful for this.. to them... not to random fuckos on the internet who think that every illegal should get a transplant and an MRI when they drink or smoke themselves into oblivion because muh America.

I was 16 when I developed a benign tumor mass. I didn't cause that myself my body did. And my parented were able to pay for that thru coverage because they WORK HARD. unlike you and your lazy parents.. or maybe your parents aren't lazy they are just stupid and unaccomplished. I don't know forsure
None of this changes the fact that healthcare is not a right.. at no point in time was it ever a right.. and it won't be a right anytime soon.

>>731569319
I never said they double for everyone, don't try to play semantics when I clearly said 30-100%, far higher than any natural inflation based on normal market forces. If you want to know which states specifically, google it, South Carolina was one, North Carolina, Georgia, West Virginia. There's literally 1 provider in their entire "marketplace." That after that black bozo said people would have MORE choice.

>>731568663
Also with the creation of the Health Insurance Marketplace, they introduced the Advance Payment of the Premium Tax Credit, or the APTC, which would in turn lower one premiums to the point where their premiums would be drastically lower, if not taken care of entirely if they were to fall into a certain set of parameters. Not only that, but there were also cost sharing reductions implemented in as well that could allow one to have lower deductibles, lower out of pocket maximums, and liwer copayments/coinsurances. That is always one key factor Trumptards like to leave out. And when they complain about the monopolizing of insurance companies in certain given areas from the Marketplace? That is due to THE INSURANCE COMPANY BACKING OUT. They will retract themselves at will from the Marketplace to where they can continue charging their consumers full price without a tax credit. And you know who is nostril deep in Trump's ass because this destruction of the ACA will benefit them and fill their pockets, despite the ethical reprecussions of the matter? The insurance companies. These people would say the world on fire if they knew it would make them richer than they already are. And you're jumping in that fire at will, telling yourself it's a good idea and it all makes sense. Don't be too shocked when they charge you out the ass to treat your burns when you get them.

>>731569442
Still exhibiting massive levels of autism

>>731569442
>hurr durr I just had bad luck but everyone else who needs healthcare did it to themselves
You should have died.

>>731569442
I hope one day that your life goes the other direction, leaving you without the benefit of mommy and daddy to save you. Then I hope you get an easily but expensively treatable disease so you can suffer slowly and die painfully and others can tell you that you simply aren't working hard enough.

>>731569442
You're the cliche rich kid who doesn't know a damned thing about the real world. Enjoy your autistic life under mommy and daddy's bubble. Your opinion on these matters is nvalid as it is you and your parents who benefit the most from this.

>>731569615
Look I'm not an Obama fan but what I'm saying is I don't know anyone who this happened to. Not a single person over the last 8 years had ever said to me, damn anon this Obamacare is killing me, granted I'm in the west so maybe that has something to do with idk.

>>731543966
https://youtu.be/PXBd5xGCH8s

>>731569708
>still shitposting incessantly
>>731569773
benign masses don't kill most people. but my quality of life has improved greatly, thanks to my parents' accomplished careers. I am not even close to being "rich" either
>>731569817
>parent's who benefited the most
yes they have excellent healthcare for themselves and that was graciously extended to me. now go ask your parents why they can't afford you.. my guess is they should have never procreated to begin with
>>731569804
actually wishing ill on someone because they have a different opinion on a political matter? that is so adult of you

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I love it.. nobody wants to talk about actual politics they just want to cry that other people can afford more than they can... HAHAHA

>>731570064
>that is so adult of you
Says the privileged autist who thinks the healthcare issue can be solved cutting people off completely and letting them die like they're fucking lepers.

>>731569442
shit bait

>>731570230
150,000 people die every day because of war, disease.. and not having enough food in their body.
Maybe we should just save everyone because then we can have 10 billion people on the planet instead of the current amount. Will that make everything better anon? you don't know how the real world works you barely understand history as it is

>>731570064
I wish ill on you because you're clearly a narcissistic cunt, the fact that you would get some experience with how other people live is a plus. It would be good for your lagging emotional development.

>>731569648
The bottom line is 20 million uninsured people were brought into the fold on the backs of all the other citizens who had to, now, pay for their premiums as well while they continued to not contribute to the system. Say you've got a boat with a 80 person capacity. You get 80 on then cram another 20 on top of that and the shit sinks (or at the very least doesn't float as well). This is precisely what obamacare has done to the US and there's no reason for those of us working, busting our asses should see an increase in premiums just to cover some jagoff we don't even know. Plain and simple. You and they can go fuck themselves and pay their own way and stop trying to reach into my pocket like a bunch of faggots.

How was it affordable healthcare if the cost of healthcare went up?

>>731570372
suck 10 cocks
>>731570386
I don't agree with you on a political matter so I lagg in emotional development? why does this sound like a child's dream? let's just save the world anon and sing kumbaya

What if we just stopped pissing away so much money on the military so more tax revenue would be available for domestic issues? Military is just welfare for Republicans and those not cut out for college or trade work anyway.

>>731570017
You very clearly live in a bubble then because any simple google search on the topic would inform you. Keep your head in the sand if you want but it was one of the biggest issues of the last elections so it just goes to show how uninformed you are on a topic while still trying to take a staunch position. It's funny really.

>>731569804
This is how it will go down. His parents will get old and die. He'll still be a piece of shit who can't afford his own health insurance. Unfortunately, he'll still get healthcare because hospitals simply don't turn people away. The rest of us will be stuck with the bill while he was able to spend his shitty life playing with the money that he saved by voting shitheads into Congress who refused to raise taxes and provide everyone with free healthcare.

>>731570539
we spend more money spying on our allies and own people nowadays then actual military. we use proxy fighters for that

>>731543966
Obama care caused over 30 million people to lose the healthcare they had so 28 million that were mostly too fucking lazy to get their own could get more free shit at the cost of the dwindling middle class.

>>731570064
Maybe you can get mummy and daddy to cover those autist pills you so desperatly need.

>>731570187
people do but it's overshadowed by how people want to force earnings through politics

>>731570701
too bad this isn't 100-200 years ago when I could call you a peasant and you would actually relate. instead you just keep crying because the world isn't fair from your point of view

You know you're doing something bad if half of /b/ disagrees.

>>731570612
But that's not true. It costs more to keep the 11 aircraft carrier groups floating. Mothball large portions of the armed forces and send the troops home.

>>731570399
Your parents' pockets*

>>731570905
half of /b/ you mean 67 posters? man you are really bad with numbers aren't you? is this why you want healthcare for 20m illegals but can't fathom how much that will cost you in the long run?
>>731570982
who is going to guard the poppy fields and burn the enemy's oil fields then? it seems like you haven't thought this through? also LOL that you think you have a choice in the matter. Israel can't stand on its own without military intervention from the west and they want the military there so they are going to remain.. forever. you are lobbying against the wrong people

>>731547131
What country are you from, faggot?

>>731570847
Jesus christ this kids got some fight in him. Maybe he's got some mental problems combined with massive insecurities. Good thing the trump plan definetly covers that! Maybe people wont hate you as much.

>>731543966
Point 4 is all I care about. I paid over 100K in taxes last year. It's bullshit that I have to support illegals, nogs and goldbrickers.

>>731570399
And also, the lack of government madate is the problem. The insurance company can charge you whatever they see fit and for whatever reasons they deem necessary without any government intervention/restrictions. So you can deal with some foreigners getting healthcare while you get it too, or you can allow big insurance companies to bleed you dry and play you like a fiddle. Your choice.

>>731570187
some yes some others not so much, it's like a tug o' war and rope breaks! then people will tug on the broken ropes, even continuing when there's no end to it and they start pulling each other apart. crazy, no?

>>731570847
You don't know jack shit about the world kid

>>731571228
I didn't vote for Trump and I am not even defending his shitty Trumpcare bill which is modeled after Hillary/Obamacare by the way. Healthcare is not a right.. never has been
>>731571276
almost like someone(s) with foreign interests would like to keep it that way.
>>731571323
I know that healthcare isn't a right and poor people cry the loudest. "kid"

>>731571228
Actually mental illnesses have been listed as pre-existing conditions that could disallow one from getting coverage. Guess he's lucky for hanging onto his parent's ass-hairs like a leech lol

>>731570847
Yea too bad it isn't 100-200 years ago when the peasantry were much more uppity and more inclined to relieve the people responsibly for their poverty of their heads.

>>731544489
Why do rich people need a tax cut again? They need to stop hoarding their money.

>>731571493
>Why do rich people need a tax cut again?
So Paul Ryan can get another campaign donation.

>>731571444
then go do something about it you fucking cucklord. instead of crying that your next door neighbor has a little more than you L O FUCKING L

oh wait since you are the same idiot who thinks that everyone should get healthcare you probably vote for strict gun legislation too

>>731570540
Well it goes to show how uninformed you are as you can't answer simple questions. You can type out all that bullshit though.

>>731571426
Lol good point.
But in fairness, doesnt his plan imply that states are ALLOWED to opt out? Im guessing some of the more liberal states on the west and northeast coasts would refrain from it. Or at least Id hope, since judging from the kids bloated selfsense of worth he's probably some faggot in California, cause by god this autist needs a chillpill.

>>731543966
>liberal memes
>some guy was paid to make that
>its shit
It's so funny to see libs being the party of elites now, even memes are paid for.
SAD!

>>731570064
>my guess is they should have never procreated to begin with
>actually wishing ill on someone
ironic

>>731571633
>>>autist
>>>autist
>>>>AUTIST
it's almost like you are still whining that the world isn't equitable for everyone and your parents are poor

and then you have the audacity to tell me I don't know how the world works. read a fucking history book you nigger

>>731552071
More rural people voted in the elections prior to Trump VS Hillary. We ended up with Obama twice.

Where is your logic?

>>731571364
You're lost. Like I said you live in a bubble and don't give a shit about your fellow country men. All the elderly that will die because of this. You don't give a shit about them. Why? Because you don't know people outside of your little circle. Your not living life at all and you never will. Enjoy your silver spoon,

>>731571633
Maybe, as some reacted with the Affordable Care Act. Seems feasible.

>>731552572
This guy gets it.

>>731571789
my grandmother is turning 100 this year. I have good genes to look forward to. Doesn't mean that I have to believe the same political platitudes that you do jesus nigger loving christ get that through your fucking skull.

if my parents were poor like you, I wouldn't have gotten this coverage that I did. would I still have cried about it like you? the world will never know but I sure as shit hope not.
>don't care about your fellow countrymen
all 350m of them? give or take the 20m without papers? yeah I can only care so much. in fact it is so much caring that has lead to things like "overpopulation"

>>731570374
Defeatist attitude. What are they teaching kids these days??

>>731552755
That is a reasonable sentiment, yes.

Was there more to your post?

>>731571982
they are teaching "kids" that they can think for themselves. and that means I don't have to agree with every optimistic, idealistic, and stupid idea that pops into your head.

>>731571749
Still continues to be a gaping prolapsed anus. Jesus christ there is no off button on this guy. He's like the rocky of insults, he just wont stay down!

>>731552572
Fucking Mondays, man. Getcha every time.

>>731554326
Oh god then who did you vote for? Don't say Hillary or Sanders..

>>731570478
>I don't agree with you on a political matter
letting people die or letting people suffer is not exactly a political matter, but in this Trump era who knows? white is black, up is down and stranger things still await.

>>731559116
>>731558950

Rules of Acquisition 1:ds9

Once you have their money, you NEVER give it back.

>>731572119
your argument boils down to
>we should save everyone
>everyone should agree with me because reasons
>we have the money already (we don't btw)
>the world isn't fair.. it needs to be more fair
did I miss something? because I have used real figures to explain why the world isn't fair but you keep spouting dumb memes

>>731572185
it's absolutely a political matter and you are the definition of dumb for thinking otherwise

you aren't a guardian angel now fuck off with this ridiculous level of self-righteousness and backpatting, not to mention the condescension for others who don't share your opinions

>>731572067
>optimism is a bad thing
confirmed for clinical depression.

>>731572263
Actually everything. I've literally only been insulting you this entire thread so I have NO idea where you came up with that. Ladies and Gentlemen, thats why you don't get vaccines. You get to his level of autism.

>>731571964
Jesus Christ really talking about over population right now? Wtf does it matter that your grandmother is 100 I don't give a shit. And I'm not poor might not be rich but I'm certainly not poor. Not everyone with money is a dip shit like you. And I don't care what you're damn politics are. Ever heard of compassion? You wouldn't know because as I stated you've never been out in the real world. You don't know what struggle is. You don't know what it feels like to make it for your self and you never will. There is so much you'll miss out on. But it's not your fault you were born rich. I feel bad for you I really do.

Just get a job
https://youtu.be/RP_EzGps3bk

>>731572067
Most College Kids just have to believe every idea that pops into their libtard Professor's head. Then regurgitate it as something new- yet lack reason, logic and evidence.

>>731572414
Optimism is only a good thing if your situation is truly optimistic, delusions don't serve anyone.

Pessimism can be a good thing, if it's limited in scope, as it can serve as a reality check to those who are typically overconfident.

On another note: GOOD VIBES!!1!

>>731572487
Don't waste an ounce of intelligent debates on this autist. Seriously. Little cuck belongs on /pol.

>>731572414
yes I have been depressed for a long time. thankfully google gave me that diagnosis for free and I don't have to pay money for prozak because I don't use it.
>>731572420
>vaccines cause autism
that sounds like a Trump tweet kek to the max
>>731572487
politics aren't compassion.
I mentioned my grandmother's age as another sign of proof that I have decent genes. something I was awarded by whom? God? maybe. but the fact of the matter is the world isn't fair and it never will be... apparently the 4 or 5 children I have been arguing with don't grasp this very simple concept

>>731572356
It's not a political matter you fucking retard. If you see a boatload of refugees coming your way, you are obligated to give them help. You can deport them later that is fine. But international laws say you have to help people in distress.
Unfortunately with the success of Trump and other retards like LePen, people actually believe that refusing refugees is their God given right.

>>731570064
>I am not even close to being "rich" either

Just a short question from a silent reader: about how much earnings per year do we talk right now?

>>731572420
Vaccines don't cause autism. Correlation doesn't equal Causation.

>>731572263
>>731572263
Maybe he's just aggravated because a priveleged shit like you has the audacity to complain about wages being taken slightly more from your family's already loaded pockets than they were before. Or when you're trying to go into this matter without an ounce of humanity, where this could literally lead to people dying and you don't bat an eyelash toward that. But god forbid, not your trust fund! This is not a political matter. This IS a matter of life and death for some people. Just because it doesnt affect you personally doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The political right always has a problem with gaining a sense of perspective for any matter that comes their way of it doesn't affect them personally. If it doesn't affect their day to day life, then who fucking cares. Beautiful logic. And your stance toward this matter, call it realist if you want, borderlines on sociopathic and you calling it whatever you like doesnt change that.

>>731572634
One of my professors was very conservative, he wore a MAGA cap to class and spent the first ten minutes of every lecture complaining about liberal things that he read in the news.
"Hurr durr I probably shouldn't discuss this on campus but..."

No shit, you think?
Politics don't belong in the classroom, certainly not in a programming course for fucks sake! How did he actually manage to become a professor without learning to keep his opinions to himself?

>tfw Geology prof also has Tea Party shit plastered on his office door

I'm going to tear them both a new one during the professor reviews surveys this week.

>>731572903
Yo buddy, that was sarcasm man. Sorry its kinda hard to convey without intonation and shit.

>>731543966

You'll be paying more for less coverage, if you can afford it at all.

The only ones who save money here are rich people and those who forgo coverage completely.

This does nothing, I repeat, nothing, to lower the cost increases brought on by the ACA. It does do things to increase them, though.

>>731572746
what the fuck are you talking about idiot? refugees have nothing to do with healthcare in america at this moment. and yes greece has shut down their borders. they are already in default and can't pay for themselves let alone any random who shows up on the beach
>>731572808
I am a college student who doesn't earn anything per year
>>731572926
I have said nothing about my healthcare being lessened. Just that it is impractical to offer it TO EVERYONE because we can't even agree who "EVERYONE" is

>>731554326
*Merriam Webster

You might wanna get something right before you start correcting people, jackass.

>>731552631
from wikipedia:
>>The Hippocratic Oath is an oath historically taken by physicians. It is one of the most widely known of Greek medical texts. In its original form, it requires a new physician to swear, by a number of healing gods, to uphold specific ethical standards. Of historic and traditional value, the oath is considered a rite of passage for practitioners of medicine in many countries, although nowadays various modernized versions are often used; the message delivered is still the same: do no harm permanently.
from the original translation:
>>I will use treatment to help the sick according to my ability and judgment, but never with a view to injury and wrong-doing. Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when asked to do so, nor will I suggest such a course.
>>the oath does contain Latin: ... noxamvero et maleficium propulsabo (Also ... I will utterly reject harm and mischief)

>>731573054
>Politics don't belong in the classroom
I disagree. While in hs, it is clearly unprofessional but in college you either have the ability to distinguish political bias from your professor at a certain point or you are not fit to be there in the first place.

>certainly not in a programming course for fucks sake!
This on the other hand is where I completely agree. Just creates tension and does not have anything to do with the toppic taught.

>How did he actually manage to become a professor without learning to keep his opinions to himself?
Some institutions shit out graduation certificates like right wingers spread bullshit on facebook or arab women getting kids as soon as they bleed. Dont think too much about that: everyone with a working brain can get a phd, if we are talking about intelectual requirements.

What the fuck is the concern? Senate Republicans already indicated they're not going to bother bringing this bullshit to a vote. It's dead. They'll write something new and bounce it back to the House, and the House will make so many changes it has to go back to the Senate, who won't agree to the changes. Obamacare is the law of the land, and will be until Democrats get enough seats in both parts of Congress to push single payer.

>>731545846
>Globalist Detected

>>731573054
you mean to tell me that you went to a college course and had your opinions challenged??
that must have hurt your brain so much. oh my god do you need a safespace? we are here for you sweetie

>>731573054
You should! I agree the biased opinions of the right and left should be left out of the classroom.

>>731543966
>obamacare wasn't so bad
>forces you to buy health insurance or pay $1k+ of penalties on your taxes

Obamacare just fucking awsome

>>731573137
Okay, then let me alter the question a bit : how much do your parents make per year?

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what happened to all those anons attaching me while I have been trying to jerk off for the past 1.5hr (literally had dick in hand and typing with the other)

did they finally give up when they realize that compassion and empathy =/= politics and that they never had an ideological leg to stand on? WEW

>>731573666
Oh Alex Jones. He's so lovable but crazy and probably wrong about a lot.

>>731556966
>>It's a fucking bullshit lie and EXTORTION to give the big insurance companies a nice gift with the IRS as an enforcer to make sure everybody pays up.
yes i agree obamacare was a scam.

>>731573714
I don't know forsure.. it's pretty tacky to discuss finances with your progeny unless you live in a project or something. Combined is probably something like 150/k per year before taxes.. not that that is a heap load of money in Southern CA where whites are a minority but I have sooooo much privilege and no gunz

>>731573833
It seems you are safe from the globalist vampires.....for now.

>>731573979
oh man they were really laying it on thick... disregarding statistical figures and attacking me with their feelings. I almost broke a sweat

>>731573833
What's with that weird tan line on her tit?
Hope she's got insurance. Shit could be skin cancer.

>>731561491
>>slash
definitely not inflammatory language. good to see unbiased news sources.

>>731574045
that's not a tan line especially considering her genes are eastern european and she would tan much darker than that. are you sure you have seen a naked woman before?

>>731573137
This is getting tiring. And nowhere. Listen dude, you keep going on your own happy way complaining about immigrants being economic parasites, while being a jobless college student that is being an economic parasite off your own parents yourself. You lack perspective, and it's not your fault. You were sheltered, you had it easy, I guess that's not something to knock someone about. But you do lack a sense of irony about your economic status and this given situation, and that's something. My stance on this matter is that I would rather have 20 million people from whoeverthefuckcares leeching off the system and the taxes I actually pay myself woth my own money rather than hear that a child or family perishes because health insurance make it a fucking dog and pony show to even get coverage. So keep on doing your rich kid happy delusion thing you're so good at. But I have a suggestion for you for future reference, how about you complain about the foreigners emptying your pockets when you actually have a job and are not leeching off someone yourself. Maybe that could add an ounce of validity to your standpoint. But that is just a suggestion, take it or leave it. It has been real. Peace

>>731574177
Just your mom.

Seriously, though, look at the top of her right tit, the skin tone changes very abruptly.

>>731566479
>> I don't know a single person who got fucked by Obamacare
it must not have happened then. stay safe in your echo chamber/safe space.

>>731543966
go die in the gutter where you belong, poorfag

>>731574339
I am well aware of my socioeconomic status actually. Next you are going to tell me college should be free for everyone too, huh? you really need to read a history book and I mean TONIGHT

I don't have to seem grateful to you. I am grateful to my parents. I am grateful to God. just because I don't share every political platitude with you doesn't mean I am a "bad" person and you are just being annoying discussing your feelings as if that will somehow change my perspective of things.

People get what the pay for... end of story.

>>731566546
how does that prove healthcare is a right? you might want to work on your debate skills.

>>731574387
Likewise knowing people fucked by Obamacare isn't representative of the outcome of the entire program. It's just another echo chamber for conservatards.

>>731573538
>I disagree.
I stand by my original post. I don't give a shit about politics and shaved down the number of humanities courses as much as possible to avoid both the cuckservatives and hoardes of soapboxing lib girls.

I don't want to hear about how Trump is "inherently a better choice because he's not a career politician" when we're supposed to be discussing pointer variables or identifying minerals in thin sections under a microscope.

However naive you may believe it is to not want want bias from your instructors you should understand that people attend these educational institutions expecting the teachers to at least TRY to present facts in an objective manner.

That principle is important, when a student is admitted it's typically based on their grades and whatever other factors admissions determines to be important, your opinion that students should be able to identify bias in situations where it shouldn't be presented anyway is both irrelevant and condescending, do you really think that from a more subtle professor that even you would be capable of noticing it 100% of the time?

>>731574355
Eh, birthmark maybe? Who knows.
>>731574042
I swear this kid is literally the biggest faggot on /b/. Cool beans kid go spread your autism on /pol/.

>>731566646
two of trump's most vocal opponents are senate republicans. not everyone votes strictly along party lines.

>>731574339
follow up since you mentioned I have to have an actual job.. I have worked fast food, I have worked in movie theaters.. you ever see dudes flipping a sign on a street corner? I was that dude once. I have done data entry for corporate places. I have worked at the "non profit" GoodWill (actually for profit). I have delivered pizzas. Most recently I have washed dishes in a restaurant for an entire year.

But go ahead and tell me how I need to think that healthcare is a right when it actually is not. and it never will be

>>731567853
so healthcare isnt a right but a privilege we grant to those we deem worthy?

>>731574731
history that even 8th graders can understand
I am glad you caught up

>>731567618
i agree. it is unconstitutional for the government to force individuals to purchase services from private enterprises.

You cant wreck your car then get auto insurance to pay for repairs - nor should you be able to get health insurance after getting sick to pay for it. Its just not sustainable.

ITT: Statist morons whine that we owe them free, high quality services just for existing, while ignoring the details of what the House just voted on.

/b is now Reddit.

>>>/tv/81313533

>>731545413
Do you see the lack of arguments in the previous 2 replies? It means you're right mate.

>>731573695
The penalty was a flat rate of $695 ler adult if no coverage is had by said person for 12 consecutive months of the given year. It will be lessened if you don't have coverage for part of the year, and it calculated based on the months you did not have coverage. And you can apply for an exemption, where you fill out an application to the IRS or the FFM (or SBM in certain areas) and it determines if you dont have to pay the fee at all. It's just that everyone that complains about the fee have either lied on their Marketplace application and the tax credit discrepency is coming back to bite them in the ass, were misinformed on the subject (which would not be done by any reputable organization worth half a shit), or too dumb or lazy to see if there were ways to get said exemption and ultimately shot themselves in the foot. The ACA just makes an amazing scapegoat for Americans not knowing what they're talking about or wanting to have literally everything done for them without it requiring any effort on their part.

>>731574714

Why isn't healthcare a right, though? Surely if you work and pay taxes in this country, you and your family can be provided with the means to get medical care so you can continue to work and live at a reasonable cost? Why would you not think so? If you pass out on the street today with a heart attack and you wake up in a hospital bed and leave with a hundred thousand dollars of debt, is that fair?

>>731572226
best post in thread

Liberals triggered :')

>>731551733
Thats exactly the problem, Murica has to make it so much harder than that. Why? Because pocket linings. Shit, if I have to increase taxes a bit to have everyone covered universally, I'd be very happy.

>>731575145
>is that fair?
none of this is fair. life isn't fair. it's time for you to grow up and realize this. if your parents have led you to believe otherwise than YOU are the one living in a bubble not me and my "sheltered privileged self blah blah"

you are seriously trying to argue facts and figures with feelings.. and you are falling flat

>>731573968

While I absolutely do not want to jump onto the "muh priviledge"-train, I just want to say that many people would consider this indeed quite rich, as it already falls roughly around the top 8% of the distribution.

Many people in this range does not consider themself rich. But as someone with such income myself (which grew up as a poorfag): please consider yourself as someone rich. Because it is most likely that the wealth of your parents alone will make you very very well endowed when they die, if they have a financial advisor which knows only the basics of finance.

But well, that is kind of a mentality thing. I have saudi customers which would not consider themself rich while having X0 million dollars on their account and a dozen of servants for their spoiled brats.

>>731571769
Hey rural Missouri guy here reporting in.

I remember during the election I was in a McDonald's that had a TV on the wall, and whenever Hillary Clinton appeared on the screen customers would jump out of their chairs and start booing and screaming.

What exactly is their issue with her,

>>731575295
my parents don't even own the house they have been paying off for 16 years since we moved to CA. that isn't rich. you have no idea how finances work

my dad will be collecting SS soon. you literally have no idea about another person's situation and based off of a minute number you think it is the same as your status? damn

>>731543966
Stop being such a drug addict and score your opioides the old fashioned way. That's LITERALLY the only reason why Obamacare exists.

>>731566646
They need a filibuster proof 60% majority in order to pass the bill. So if 2 republicans vote against the bill theyre fucked. Considering that 20 republicans voted against the bill in the house this will probably be the case

>>731575415
Well that's how straw men work anon

>>731575145
if healthcare is a right, then doctors are effectively slaves. they get paid less and have to work more, which drives talented people away from the profession, lowering the overall quality. simple economics. you can't just make laws to grant you what you want. that is not how reality works. there are other solutions. you should explore them.

>>731543966
Honestly I am thankful that it is going, because of Obama care I lost my healthcare. It is incompatible with majority of clinics and hospitals

>>731575415
Bet that house is worth a couple hundred grand. Hard to call that middle class.

Since you alt right retards believe "alternative facts," why should anything you say be taken seriously? "Alternative facts are what people generally call "lies," you stupid fucks.

>>731575655
>Hard to call that middle class.
it's absolutely middle class. it was 600 when they bought it.. it was worth 400 in 2008.. they only have to dump another 80+ into it to make it sellable again... fuck arguing with children is making my fucking head hurt

BTW healthcare still isn't a right. never will be

>>731573687
It wasn't a fucking politics class! If he wanted to challenge my coding style or something be my guest but even if I had agreed with his political opinions the man should still shut up about them.

This has nothing to do with "safe spaces" and everything about making appropriate use of your time and getting what you actually paid for.

>>731575264
I wish politicians would just be honest and say that for this to work they will have to triple the rates, and increase the income tax. Shits expensive yo

>>731575894
>getting what you actually paid for.
>college 2017
man you really are lost

enjoy that CS degree for all of about 5 years before robots take over your field or your work is outsourced to Rajeesh

>>731576008
I am Rajeesh though...

>>731575281

Whew lad. For someone who says I'm supposedly arguing with feelings, you sure are doing a job of it! I'd like to think I'm as objective as possible. Obviously I'm human, and I'm not fully objective; I cannot claim to be. It's also fully possible that I'm entirely wrong about everything. I'm open to new ideas and avenues of looking at a problem if they are well and factually supported.

I'm not sure what facts you used in your post to support your point. I mostly see one long, emotional attack on who you think I supposedly am.

I grew up poor. I'm in my late 20s. I've worked very, very hard to get to the middle class spot I find myself in today. My parents were hardcore Christian conservatives. I know life isn't fair because I've watched people die, from sickness, from accidents, from combat.

However, many countries already do have single payer systems for their citizens, and they work. We have the capability to do it. I'd like to know why you seem so vehemently opposed.

>>731574580
>I stand by my original post
Totally fine, we are not about talking about facs but opinions. And like I said: in your field of studies, it is completely unprofessional and rightaway stupid to bring political views into the lecture, be them right or left or striped.

But I just think that college students should be mature enough to either dont give a shit about the ramblings of an unprofessional professor or analyze this stuff themself and take a different point of view.

Beeing a student in college is one step away from beeing a professional. And if you internally rage about your customer/collegue/boss/subordinate beeing a right-wing prick or left-wing feminazi, you will not get happy in your later job, regardless what you do or what you did study.

>>731575736
i like how instead of engaging in rational debate and showing us the flaw in our thinking, you just lump everyone who disagrees with you together and dismisses them. good to see your programming is taking effect. not like the decisions these "alt right retards" make impact your life at all.

>>731576150
>However, many countries already do have single payer systems for their citizens, and they work
those countries don't have 350m +/- 20m illegals and dumbass citizens crying for open borders.
those are the figures I am referring to.

On top of the entirety of human history where healthcare was not viewed as a right but an altruistic act for your family and tribe.

>>731575415
Your dad will be collected by the SS?
Was he hidibg Jews?

>>731567961
and you believed him? I pitty the fool

>>731575617

> doctors are slaves

No they can choose their profession. You know most countries with single payer systems still have privatized healthcare you can pay for as an alternative if you can afford it yes?

>>731575894
so if your programming professor were to, say, recommend a band to you, would you be this upset?

>>731576319
no the SS collected jews.. but not nearly enough of them
SocialSecurity is what my father will receive for working hard for so many years and not whining like you. SS is hardly enough to call someone rich.. it implies a fixed income

>>731570064
sociopath stockholm syndrome cucks like you are the cancer of this world

>>731576399
I'm probably not as upset as you think, you may be projecting a bit.

Probably more tbh, I'm not into music and that's actually my biggest pet peeve on dates. I found a flash drive once with hundreds of MP3 saved on it, instantly deleted them all and didn't listen to any.

>>731576150
strictly speaking, having a single payer healthcare system does not equate to healthcare being a right. i support single payer but i do not believe that healthcare is a right. it is my opinion that insurance is a scam. a middle man who does nothing but take your money, which ultimately raises costs, while acting as more of an obstacle to healthcare.

>>731576544
>cucks
>cancer
>sociopath
it's like you are a walking talking meme factory. great job

>>731547131
>At least they're a never ending source of medical advancements that we'll enjoy the benefits of for free for the rest of us which certainly wouldn't have been developed in my third world country with no pharmaceutical superpower.

is surely what you meant

>>731576648
Cuck a doodle doo you snowflake

>>731576304

And I'm fully against illegals being here or getting healthcare. I'd turn them away from the hospital if I had my way. I'd deport them and build a psychological wall on the border by simply ordering border patrols to shoot trespassers on sight. You'd think twice about crossing if you ran the risk of being killed, yes? It's not nice, but then again neither is breaking the basic laws of a country and then trying to say you should stay here and get benefits. It's fucking illegal.

Like I said if you are a citizen who works in your country, you should get healthcare. Should be pretty straightforward to keep illegals out of the single payer system.

> On top of the entirety of human history where healthcare was not viewed as a right but an altruistic act for your family and tribe.

Ah yes, the human history where the majority of people were literal slaves of some form to a lord who could have them killed upon a whim. Great times.

You know the world changes, yes? We have the ability to do it now, we didn't then. It was close-minded people who held us back then and its those same kinds of people holding us back now.

>>731576520
Ben Bernanke, is he a jew?

>>731575415
>my parents don't even own the house they have been paying off for 16 years since we moved to CA. that isn't rich. you have no idea how finances work

Well, it is my field of work to advice people about their finances.

And while I am not a specialist in regard to estate prices in CA, I am quite sure that your parents indeed do something inherently wrong, if they do not own their house after 16 years with such an annual income.

Please do not take this personal.
Just tell your parents that they should go and see a financial advisor asap.

>>731576844
one of the grossest there are. yes
>>731576832
>we have the ability to do it now
>we can change
>waahhh people were slaves (no they weren't)
you can't even get a few strangers on the internet to agree with you and your half-assed plans, how are you going to get some 10s of millions? you aren't nearly as persuasive as you think you are

>>731576747
I admit Americans are fucking retarded, I mean nobody really tries to argue that point. But the reason people hate on America is cuz despite how rediculous it is, everyone wants to be here lul

>>731576366
you are not understanding what i am saying. anyone who chooses to be a doctor will be a slave to the one seeking services, which will make people not want to choose to be a doctor.
>>You know most countries with single payer systems still have privatized healthcare you can pay for as an alternative if you can afford it yes?
do you think that single-payer and privatized are mutually exclusive ideas? do you think that if america goes the route of making healthcare a right, that we will have a single-payer system?

>>731576008
Implying you wont also lose your job when robot-vehicles become the most common way to tow cars or cut lawns

>>731576638

Insurance is a scam because it is operated for profit. It's the perfect example of the human condition; taking a great system that should work and corrupting it into a self-enriching piece of shit.

In a perfect world, everyone would pay into an emergency pool of money used to cover healthcare costs for those who need it. Then one say when you need it, you don't have to worry, tons of other contributions are covering you where you covered others before. But when the goal of the system is NOT to cover people, but to turn a profit for shareholders, that's when you get all these problems.

Repealing the mandate is all I care about.
If you want to make a government run health care service
>Which we have 3+ of, and have had them for the past 30 years
Then just raise taxes in general.
Do not fine me for being too poor to afford private health insurance. Either let me die in peace
>Which actually never happened, no one in the United States ever went without medical care
Or fucking have a general tax. Do not fine me.
What we really fucking need is spending accountability, because if we actually held the government officials personally responsible for reckless spending then we could lower waste enough to cover universal health care without increasing taxes a dime.

For the record, I am an American who spent 5 years of his childhood living in Europe, and believe me universal health care is awful.
If you want to take a look at what it would be like in the US take a look at the VA. The giant money pit that's forging documents and letting clients die on waiting lists.

>>731576611
you are deflecting my question instead of answering it. the specific topic is irrelevant. also, i dont understand why you have to defend just how "upset" you are. im not upset, im sure youre not either. its a useful word to save time, until you start splitting hairs with me about it.

>>731576955
lolz they have refinanced a few times and at their own benefit.
the housing market absolutely shit the bed and anybody who was "middleclass" suffered hard. really hard. but you know this because you advise people on finances kek don't quit your dayjob
>>731577077
yes I too think automation will be a real problem. thankfully I only study society at its micro and macro levels along with theory, philosophy and anything else I can get my hands on.
If I know anything about history it is that me and people who share my opinions will be marched into the Gulags first, don't worry about that

>>731577106
>>
Insurance is a scam because it is operated for profit. It's the perfect example of the human condition; taking a great system that should work and corrupting it into a self-enriching piece of shit.
i can certainly agree with this statement.
>>In a perfect world, everyone would pay into an emergency pool of money used to cover healthcare costs for those who need it. Then one say when you need it, you don't have to worry, tons of other contributions are covering you where you covered others before.
you just described a single-payer system.

>>731577203
>yes I too think automation will be a real problem.

If you can't beat them join them, it'll be easier to compete with bots and ai if we just become cyborg. Resistance is futile.

>>731577349
thanks for the tip schlomo

>>731577328
The difference between not for profit and for profit is literally nothing.

Costs of business are costs of business.

>>731577328
I kind of wish they would get rid of the legal requirement to Own auto insurance as well.... I'm glad that Obama Care got the axe tbh

>>731577005

Of course no one will agree with me. People don't WANT to change their minds, so they won't. They will rationalize, downplay, and dismiss any information that doesn't conform to what they already believe, and they will seek out information that reinforces and solidifies those beliefs. Why do you think network news has become a partisan, opinionated cesspool? It's not only because of interference form the parties, but because it's what people ACTUALLY WANT TO WATCH. People aren't interested in THE truth, they are interested in THEIR truth.

We are basically slaves to our beliefs, and the best part is, most will probably never realize it.

I'm autistic enough that I'll keep at it in the hopes that maybe I convince one person to open their mind to the possibility that they may be wrong, that they may not be an expert on everything like they think they are. That's why I do this.

>>731577522
I am probably the most paranoid person that I know and might even suffer from delusions. I can admit when I am wrong.. but not about healthcare not being a right.. because that is not something I am wrong about.. it is a simple fact.

should healthcare be a right? in my opinion no

>>731577437

Insurers right now are not charging you the cost of business. They are charging you whatever they want, because you have no choice but to pay it. And hospitals charge whatever THEY want, because you have to pay it.

I mean if you really believe in the market so strongly, you'd open up the US to foreign prescription drug trade to drive competition and lower prices, yes? Assuming the drugs were produced in countries with similar standards to the FDA? Or is there some reason there should be a monopoly here that drives prices up on purpose?

>>731573833
>he thinks you have to back up your arguments with logic

Kek both the right and left rejected that form of discourse long ago

>>731577641

> I cannot be wrong about this thing

Anon if you can be wrong about one thing you can be wrong about ANYTHING.

I could be wrong about anything. I THINK that I'm not, but I could be. If I was, I wouldn't know. And if you were, neither would you.

This is the human delusion.

>>731577437
>>The difference between not for profit and for profit is literally nothing.
so why does the distinction exist? you do realize that when you purchase something from a store, you are not just paying for the item and the cost of business, but also for the profits being made? what is your basis for saying that not-for-profit is the same as for-profit? sure there have been those who claimed to be not-for-profit when they werent, but i fail to see how that even applies to what we are discussing. how is your statement supposed to apply to what i said? in a for-profit company, the consumer pays extra so that the higher ups and shareholders can get paid. in a not-for-profit, prices are just high enough to cover operating expenses (workers, management, overhead, etc.) and there is minimal upper management and no shareholders.

>>731577794
thank god I don't identify as "left or right"
The Dao explicitly states how bad of an idea that is
>>731577846
if there is no right or wrong in your mind then you either have NO standards or you are some kind of relativist anti-positivist

I can admit that positivism is foolhardy.. but so is anti-positivism. you need to PICK A LANE when it comes to political issues. otherwise you are just sitting on a fence.. and nothing gets done. the world still turns

>>731577483
yeah when government starts forcing people to make purchases that is overstepping their reach.

>>731577403
Once your brain and personality is merged with a hundreds of transsexuals you will empathize with them and will realize the error of your backwards thoughts and finally become a productive member of society.

>>731578054
stfu idiot I am writing a paper about transgender suicide in the juvenile detention system. this still doesn't make healthcare a right and you aren't going to change anyone's opinion with your feelings.

>>731577998
It kind of makes a business invincible, don't you wish you could get a piece of that?

Start your own car insurance company.

>>731571247
This.

>>731578120
You will if they become your feelings.

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>>731577203
>lolz they have refinanced a few times and at their own benefit.
>the housing market absolutely shit the bed and anybody who was "middleclass" suffered hard. really hard. but you know this because you advise people on finances kek don't quit your dayjob

It is not like I try to fuck you over, lie to or insult you, mate. It is just a suggestion from a fellow anon.

Because it is quite common for americans to live a bit over their income, especially when the income of the household is scratching the 100k, as you can cover the most important things with that and start to spend a bit more generous.
You know: a new car every couple of years instead of a used one, some additions to the house which are not really needed, an expensive gift for the 16th birthday of their daughter, holidays in a hotel for a week because it was on sale on the internet and the anniversary is around the corner... believe me pal, I know all of the "good reasons" that the "middle class" "needs" these things. Could write a book about it.

Finance is not hard - but admitting that you are doing it wrong is. Even more, if you see that you did so for one for decades.

Stay strong and stay in college, kiddo.
You might see what I want to tell you in a couple of years.

>>731577994
It's not like you have any influence anyway, but ok.

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>>731577994

You're rationalizing. I didn't say I have no standards. In my mind, there's a correct way to go about things, but I recognize that that way could be wrong, and I am open to solid, objective data that shows it to be wrong so I can change my thoughts accordingly.

If new data becomes available, I will shift lanes as necessary.

The reason nothing gets done is not because of people like me, but because of people like you, who choose a lane and then refuse to move out of it because they absolutely cannot be wrong. Then you get gridlock because neither side of the issue is willing to budge and you get issues that stick around for decades with the can still being kicked down the road.

Look at objective data, implement a solution, study the effects, modify the solution based on performance data. That's how you get things done.

>>731578124
haha yeah right. i doubt there's room for anyone else in these monopolized markets. it would be nice though.

>>731578182
your posts are getting dumber and dumber
>>731578196
fun fact: most people in CA who are part of the disappearing middleclass live slightly above their means maybe because the state is the most populated with some of the highest cost of living. it also doesn't help there are so many illegals in this state that drain resources that could go to people who actually pay their taxes and don't gangbang

>>731578357
the correct method is that there are 350m +/- 20m illegal people in America and the budget doesn't allow for every idiot to get an MRI scan when he doesn't actually need one.

>>731578348
Bring back the Whigs

>>731578449
im sure youre being sarcastic, but why the hell not? why not bring them all back, and more? what we need is more voices on the stage, more debate, more choices.

>>731545413
all "fascists" have always been on the left side just fyi

>>731578431
But they pick the fruit anon. The almonds, lettuce, grapes, and pomegranates.

Fish, and plankton, sea greens, and protien from the sea.

>>731578431

That's not an argument against single payer healthcare for taxpaying citizens. That's the same line you said before. It doesn't mean any more now than it did then. Do you have a real, objective reason? I haven't seen one yet.

> But there's more people here than in other single payer countries

There are also an equal amount of additional people paying into the system. Math.

>>731578536
>>731578348
>>731578449
I voted independent and that seemed to work so well. Still probably better than the sick old lady or the Jew Lover.

t. anon who doesn't think healthcare is a right.

>>731578631
have you ever noticed that those bastions of liberalism you pine after with single-payer healthcare are predominantly white christian countries... weird right?

>>731578536
>I'm sure youre being sarcastic,

I actually wan't I'd like to see more active parties in American politics in addition to the big two, but for some reason that seems to be difficult to manifest.

I'd like to see more referendums, removal of the Electoral College, and I like how France does their presidential elections

>>731578706

I'm not a liberal. You haven't made a point here.

>>731578661
>being an independent
>writing in names
Don't cut yourself on that edge

>>731578800
my point was that more homogenous countries tend to be progressive and exhibit single-payer healthcare.
>the US is not a very homogenous counrty

>>731578661
the reason that voting for a third party candidate is throwing away your vote is simply that enough people believe it is true. as others have stated in this thread so few people actually voted in this election that if half of the people who didnt vote had voted for a third party candidate, well im sure you can work out the numbers...

>>731578889
you're right I should have voted for the sick old lady Jew Lover or the other Big Jew Lover with a weird haircut