R8 and H8

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>>731388105

>>731388652
nigger

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>>731388105

>>731388735
1

>>731388652
You need to kill yourself/10

>>731388940
Also kill yourself/10

>>731389085
2

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>>731388940
nigger

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>>731388105

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>>731388105

>>731388105

My tablet wouldn't download the image... centrist here.

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I voted for Hillary

>>731388652
>hurr I'm retarded
fuck off retard
>totally got em

>>731389769
3
Funny how you faggots are more easily triggered than special snowflakes

>>731389611
Only not totally retarded person besides me/OP

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>>731388105
I am the trash

>>731389868
>GUYS LOOK IM BEING DUMB
>Wow you are being dumb
>HAHAHA GOT EM

>>731389933
>no opinions except THINGS NEED TO CHANGE

>>731389987
Yeah, basically

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>won't let me save image
Centrist leaning left

>>731388105
Didn't expect /b/ to be this way but probably should have considering most of you live with your parents/collect NEET bux

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What's up with all these liberals

>>731388105
Economic Axis
Diplomatic Axis
Civil Axis
Societal Axis

Axis

Fucking nazis

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>>731389611
lol @ neoliberalism

>>731390543
luxury gay space communism or bust

>>731390284
>statism

6.5/10

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>thinking about joining retards here

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>>731388105
Apparently I am a communist, somebody get the goddamn rope I can't live like this. Please, I don't want to be raped by this Santa Claus impersonator.

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>>731390723

how do i play this game?

>>731390961
website on the image
8hub or whatevs

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>>731388105
The weird part of doing any of those tests is that if you isn't murica you will always be liberal

>>731390821
u now
>>731390623

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this is what i got

>>731390961
https://8values.github.io

>>731391369
2 late, alreadi got raped my niggers, thank you

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>>731391364

pretty centrist if you ask me

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>>731391480
thank you, you dumb white cracka babie, -no racism

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>>731390861

>>731390723
Not too bad 6/10, too bootlicker

>>731391727
eat shit and die, you SJW you

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>>731388105
here comes the hate

>>731391364
>hitting neutral every time

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>>731391953
wat the fuck

>>731392047
nah.

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>>731388105
Hate all you want .

>>731392071
my ideal world is one where the government is run by the people for the people

why is that a what the fuck?

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>>731392210
gay ass fuck we should all kill ourself fucking cuck

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Looks right to me.

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>>731388105

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got this

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>>731388105

>>731392336
yes you should

>>731392543
wanna watch?

>>731392474
>>731392482
Why do these ones have might/peace instead of nation/world?

>>731392628
sure

throw up a stream

>>731392141
go back to red dit nerd

>>731390268
i got the exact same as you

>>731392707
how? i don't have a webcam

>>731389942
>filename
retard

>>731392749
do you have a smart phone?

>>731392826
no but i have an applewatch

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I have no Idea I turned out this bad...

social libertarism best ism

>>731392873
does it have a built in camera?

>>731392946
no i use it to play pokemon go

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so I'm a bit of a democrat. yet i would vote republican. unfortunately, i don't believe in either party.

>>731393022
Yeah I'm in the same boat. If the Dems can ever manage to pull themselves together they'll have my boat.

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my trash opinion

>>731392992
then go down to the library and use their computers+cameras to stream your death

>>731392482
>>731392882
Why are the only traditionalist here also nationalist Authoritarians?

>>731393668
because this is 4chan

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SUe me niggers. Theocracy is best

>>731388652
You edited the URL.

>>731392203

Centralist here as well.

Seems wishy washy but at least for myself I value choice and a balanced government.

Not over reaching/intrusive nor too hands off. Let faggots smoke weed, let them do hookers, fuck religion in politics but feel free to practice in your own personal sphere.

Basically don't be a cunt I guess.

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so many lazy bitches here that want to be given things.

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Quite accurate

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>>731393963
>Theocracy is best
Muslim detected.

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>>731390284
>>731390723
>>731392141
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>>731392882
>>731393963
>>731397133
>>731397611
>Authoritarianism over 50%
babby want nanny state

>>731398427
Not my fault that wanting to ban abortions and an unwillingness to let druggies ruin society skews the image so far toward Statism.

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>>731388105
>>731388652
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>>731396241
So many liberals

>>731398481
>ban abortions
>druggies ruin society
Christfag detected

>>731398714
Abortion is objectively murder.
Drug abuse and addiction have deleterious effects on the community in which they are endemic.

Those are facts independent of ANY religion.

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>>731398714
Fucking retard
>>731398791
This guy gets it

>>731398791

I don't see how abortion is murder. Would you like to elaborate?

And I think that if a person wants to take drugs it's up to that person to make that decision. As long as the person doesn't hurt anyone with his/hers drug use I don't see a problem.

For example. If I smoke some weed in my own home, how does that effect someone else?

Would you maybe elaborate on how you think?

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>>731398791
>Abortion is objectively murder.

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Already knew this but postan anyway.

>>731399050
>I don't see how abortion is murder. Would you like to elaborate?
From the point that sperm and ovum interact and begin to metastasize, the resulting zygote is genetically distinguishable from the mother. That it requires aid from the mother's body to reach a point where it is able to maintain its homeostasis without the womb is irrelevant, as it matches all requirements of life otherwise, and after gestation, will match all requirements of life.

>The drugs issue.
Your example is an assumption of a non-addictive narcotic used in moderation. While I don't agree with its use, this is a matter of a singular example being less of the issue, than an exception to the issue. The primary issue is the legalization of all narcotics, including those which have a very real potential for addiction via their effect on the body. Those who use those substances do not do so in moderation, and as a result become less effective in society, and increase the burden on others. It's an issue of severity here: otherwise, we could easily lump in nicotine and alcohol into the narcotics ban. That a person smokes cigarettes, and will later end up with health problems down the road, is something to be tackled, but is both too widespread, and not nearly severe enough compared to endemic opioid addictions, for instance.

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Russian here. From two shit candidates I'd pick Hillary.

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>>731388105
I am not a fascist. This website just makes up lies about us. Just because I believe in kicking out foreigners and not permitting freedom of drugs doesn't make me a fascist.

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>That civil axis balance tho

>>731399884
Nationalism != fascism, faggot

>>731391953
Hahahaha, that's a euphemism for anarchist.

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Rate

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>>731399535
>the resulting zygote is genetically distinguishable
>it matches all requirements of life
So, by that criteria cutting down corn or stepping on a roach is also murder.

>we could easily lump in nicotine and alcohol into the narcotics ban.
Because prohibition has no negative side effects. Yep, none what-so-ever.

>>731399535

I think you have a valid point when it comes to the matter of the requirements of a lifeform. I see it differently though. I agree that on a clinical level life has begun in the womb. But I see murder as something you can inflict on something that is conscious of the effect of said act. Just as I don’t see it being murder if you pull the plug on someone that is for example brain dead and in a coma.

I realize that drug addicts don't control the outcome of their drug use. But the way America deals with the problem today doesn't help. In countries like Portugal where drug use have been decriminalized the amount of drug users have gone down with the help of treatment programs and counseling instead of long prison sentences.

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lotsa social liberalism and libertarian socialism on /b/ who knew

>>731400475
>So, by that criteria cutting down corn or stepping on a roach is also murder.
>Because prohibition has no negative side effects. Yep, none what-so-ever.

Just say that you have no reasoned argument against these statements.
For the first: neither of those are human.

For the second: We obviously have many issues with our current system, when it comes to dealing with drug abuse and addiction. That doesn't mean legalizing it all will fix those issues.

>>731400650
The problem here is that the comatose, if they show no brain activity, will - barring incredibly extreme circumstances - never show brain activity again. From the point of conception, a human will end up growing up to be a human unless it is: A) terminated or, B) is miscarried/stillborn. A better comparison would be between abortion and pulling the plug on someone with limited brain activity, and a high likelihood of recovering some, if not all, function.

When it comes to drug policy, it's obvious we need to reform things. As I said before, legalizing it isn't the fix. We have a lot of money that we're dumping (here in the states) on programs to help those who are addicted, but obviously our methodologies need to be re-examined. I agree that excessive, punitive action just helps exacerbate those problems faced by those who abuse and are addicted to drugs. Also, note that Portugal has decriminalized drugs, not legalized them.

>>731399986
Exactly, gaywad, they are saying I am a fascist.

>>731401005
Oh, you're right.

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>>731391480
I thought more people would get this

>>731400942
>zygote
>human
pick one

>b-but y-you have n-no argument

>>731401505
>A zygote (from Greek ζυγωτός zygōtos "joined" or "yoked", from ζυγοῦν zygoun "to join" or "to yoke"), is an eukaryotic cell formed by a fertilization event between two gametes. The zygote's genome is a combination of the DNA in each gamete, and contains all of the genetic information necessary to form a new individual.

In the case of two humans' gametes in a fertilization event, the zygote is a genetic human. Keep trying.

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Seems about right

>>731401599
>it contains human genetics, therefore it is a human
So, toenails are people now.

>>731400942

But at what point does a cell cluster become a human? I think that saying a human is formed at the moment of conception is inaccurate. I think a human is a human when that lump of cells can live on outside of the womb and not at the point of conception.

As I said, Portugal has decriminalized it. Yes. But there is no evidence to show that if you were to legalize drug use there would be a surge in drug use. I for one would not start doing drugs as I think the vast majority of people wouldn’t start doing drugs. So let’s start seeing it as the addiction that it is and not a severe criminal act.

>>731401599

I'm a random anon chiming in but technicallyyyyy a zygote isn't a human.

It's zygote, in the process of becoming human, therefore not human yet.

Devils advocate af

>>731400249
Kill yourself stupid millenial

>>731401804
keked
waiting for response

>>731401804
Yes, your toenail can grow into an entire human.
Idiot.

>>731401824
Then no human which requires artificial support should be considered a human.

If you legalize it, you reduce the capacity to track the use. The penalties should be markers only, and used as gateways to guide addicts and abusers into programs that are developed to help them recover. Not to mention, the legalization of drug use will dramatically change a society's view on those who use those drugs over time.

>>731401933
It's a human. It's possessed of its own, distinctive genetic code, and grows to become a fully-formed human in eighteen years. Declaring that a zygote isn't a human because it doesn't look like one is fallacious.

>>731402068

>Declaring that a zygote isn't a human because it doesn't look like one is fallacious.

I declare zygote isn't a human because it hasn't grown, yet, into a human.

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>>731402068
>A zygote *IS* a human Peter, just clap your hands!

>>731402230
>>731402294
Whatever. This callous insensitivity toward humans-in-formation just to assuage the hurt feelings of feminists and liberals really has to stop, but I can see I'm not going to be able to argue with facts against indoctrination. Have fun being ignorant and sheep-like, while pretending you're super-progressive and science-minded.

>>731402400
>I'm not going to be able to argue with facts against indoctrination.

>A zygote is a human.
>fact
pick one

What's better: having an unwanted child who will most likely grow up to be nothing but a burden on society... or having an abortion?

>>731392793

>Hahah you guys are going to call me dumb
>*does dumb thing*
>You're dumb
>AHAHAH GOT EM

>>731402068

But that human has once been a human and still is. That makes a huge difference.

“If you legalize it, you reduce the capacity to track the use”
Yeah, that’s simply not true.
What do you think the American government has better statistics on? How much the chicken the average American eats or how much the cocaine the average American uses?
And since addiction is just that, an addiction I don’t think there should be any penalties.

>>731402400
>callous insensitivity toward humans-in-formation just to assuage the hurt feelings of feminists and liberals
Does "callous insensitivity" fall under category of facts?
Look, this is where you've lost your cool. And hey, who are you to judge that my liberal feelings are inferior to yours?

>>731402400

I'm standing at the edge of a cliff. In one hand I'm holding a newborn baby and in the other a petri dish with a human zygote. I'm going to drop one off the cliff and you have to decide which or I drop them both.

If you have a functioning brain, you decide to save the baby and wouldn't shed a single tear for the zygote because it's not yet a person. Now admit it.

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>>731401935

>>731395138
A man earns what he earns and someone who earns less should not be able to take from him.

>>731397611
I dont know if I agree that most Americans are truly more capitalist anymore

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>mfw I'm super fucking confused on this abortion debate and wtf zygotes are and what the difference between them and humans are and any of this shit

>>731398714
Where's the compassion and kindness for the child?
For the father?
>>731399050
I agree that drugs shouldnt be illegal, but a child is a unique person the second they are conceived.
The whole 'they cant survive on their own meme' is a type of logic that makes it morally acceptable to kill young children as well.
>The mother's body hur dur
Baby's body, also the father's child as well, and she shouldnt have gotten pregnant
>What about accidents/rape?
Yes, because our morals should be decided by the exceptions. It isn't the child's fault in either case.

>>731403399
From utilitarian viewpoint sometimes it doesn't matter whose fault it is. Regarding to carrying the child, giving birth and upbringing its mother is the most qualified one to make a decision on whether abortion will be good for everyone or not.

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>>731403399

Can we all at least agree that this guy should look up the ‘Dunning–Kruger effect?

>>731400650
Brain dead people will never stop being brain dead
Babies arent truly brain dead and get progressively more intelligent and aware as time goes on, if left alive to do so

>>731399884
>traditional, authoritarian, capitalist, nationalist
Yeah not a fascist.

>>731403885
I know what that is, nimrod.

>If I call him stupid it means I'm right!

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Guess he was right

>>731404006
Fack your right. He's a faggot after all.

>>731403939

The time just after conception I don’t see it as being a baby though. That’s my point.

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You are all retards

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>>731404737
Am i realy the only nazi in this thread

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easily mustard race

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We're in deep, boys.

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Get triggered by my superior intellect, faggots

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>>731403399
>Where's the compassion and kindness for the child?
>For the father?
>muh morals
WHY, WHY WON'T YOU THINK WITH YOUR FEELS?!

>a child is a unique person the second they are conceived.
A zygote is now a child.
>'they cant survive on their own meme'
A zygote's inability to survive on its own is now a meme.

>she shouldnt have gotten pregnant
Because women can now get pregnant on their own.

>>731388105
I like you op.
We would get along pretty well

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Am I the only one?

>>731388652
Please please please kill yourself.
Please.
Just kill your self.
Seriously do it.
This isn't a joke
Kill yourself

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:3

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>all these lefties
I'm not even surprised.

>>731406535
lol forgot I drew on that one

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Here faggot.

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>>731388105

>>731398691


that's because we are winning


we will rise

and when we do, you will wish you were one of us

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>>731406823
not so different, you and I

>>731406535
Heyy me too
>>731404171

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>>731406922
>we are winning
>we will rise
AHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
No, you're fucking losing you retard. The pendulum is swinging right. Take a look at global politics, then neck yourself

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>>731407289
Deus Vult, brother.

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>>731388105
Where are all (true) liberal leaning people?

>>731407328
>>731407328


every time global politics swings right, there is a world war

pretty sure you just want war, because physical combat is easier for your hairy ape brain than peaceful diplomacy

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>>731388105

>>731407328


you have a shitty b8 detector dude

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Why don't you go to
> Sиαpchαty.me
and leak all your snapchat friends

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>>731407328
In an hour you will be trolled by feminists and sjw. And the Socialists will win elections in France.
Kill yourself, rightscum.

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>>731407967
I live in California. Every day I am trolled by libtards and cucks. Only strengthens my resolve, degenerate.

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Populism

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>>731388105

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>>731398691
mfw you faggots actually believe in this shit

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Seriously? All these fucking commies in this thread. No wonder the world is shit right now.

>>731399535
I take over 400 30mg oxycodone a month, right up the nose. I also work 50 hours a week.

Fuck you and your war on my drugs. I love drugs.

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eat shit fascists

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>>731408061
Then you will have depression and you will cry on 4chan. I hope you are bullied by feminists and black and you commit suicide.

>>731408571
>commie
>calls other anons fascists

Is Our educational system really this bad?

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>>731408571
go starve, you commie

>>731408099
Shit dude I feel bad for you

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>>731388652
>That file name

You got em good.

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>>731408684
>Then you will have depression
lol nice projection, not going to happen kiddo
>I hope you are bullied by feminists and black and you commit suicide
Feminists are retards who can easily be shut down with simple arguments. They are hypocrites. Blacks are no threat to me, sounds like you bought into the "muh strong negroes" meme. Sad!
Oh, and suicide is for the weak. Your argument suggests you're in middle school, maybe freshman HS. Get off /b/ and do your homework.

>>731409021
The difference between the three animal products are they are sold for money. When it is wrong to give an incentive to abort babies to sell for a profit. Also there no need for abortion anymore. Stemcell researchers have ways to make stem cells from fat cells, liver cells, and i think a couple other types that aren't unborn babies.

>>731408783
>>731408788

you want me to go Stalingrad on your asses?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3aCdoHyb-8

>>731409292
there's exponentially more stem cells in fetuses than fat cells and liver cells. also using human livers for stem cells seems like a shit idea when that liver can be used as a transplant for multiple people that need it.

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>>731409021
it WILL be a human if you let it, you abortist self-loving whore
also, comparing inanimate objects to the genetic matter that will form a human its so fucking liberal-like that i cant even comprehend

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So many political retards in one thread.

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>>731409501
>making threats online to people who disagree with him
> thinking anyone will take his anitfa-supporting, cock-sucking, pony-loving, Marx-worshiping, nigger-loving, Jew-kiking ass seriously
lol you're either underage b& or a complete retard who knows nothing of economics, history, or politics. If it's the former, get off /b/. If the latter, never breed.

>>731399502
>authoritarian capitalism

jesus christ

>>731409554
You realize the tech they have now is far beyond that. When you can take stemcells from fat and spray them on a recent burn victim and they see results in less than a week i believe was said. Even joe rogan got a shot in his shoulder and it healed him up in a day or so. He says it makes you have wolverine like healing ability. Maybe stop being so dead set on killing babies when we can just lipo all the fatties for enough stemcells to make us all live forever. We build fat much faster than we can have babies as well.

>>731399535
>the resulting zygote is genetically distinguishable
>it matches all requirements of life

Sure. But it's not really a human at this point.

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Am I a commie, /b/?

>>731409819


or you're the bigger retarded and got b8d so bad your anus should be hurting right now, faggot

>>731410030
Nope, you're a realist. Or maybe an anarchist "libertarian" from the 90's era

>>731409819
>who knows nothing of history


what, do you revise history too? you think Germany won against the Russians?

kill yourself

>>731410105
lol nice damage control. I just finished my final class of the day and don't go to work for a few hours, I've got time and commies to kill anon

>>731402400
>zygotes are humans
>facts

jesus christ

>have fun being ignorant and sheep-like
>i can't argue facts against indoctrination

This is fucking classic projection.

>>731410030
No, you're a centrist.

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>>731410253
kek

>>731404154
the irony is real

>>731410213


The Red Army beat the Nazis two to one

>>731408061
>my ideological opponents are "libtards" and "cucks"

This is why the uneducated should stay out of politics.

>>731409642
If only you knew who you were talking to.
I am beyond conservative. I am so conservative that my own conservative family thinks I am too conservative.
A fucking lump of cells is not human you ignorant shit. I could honestly care less about a lump of fucking cells.
Tell me the difference in moral statis between a dog and a lump or cells. There is none.
What we value on a moral status is a humans innate mental capacity to be different from all other species.
A zygote and yes even a fetus are both inanimate sacks or lard that can be tossed out with the trash.
If it eventually will be human it will also eventually be dead. It will also eventually be dirt. Which will also eventually be food for a plant which will also be eventually eaten by a person and turned into a sperm which will eventually fertilize an egg.
You can fuck right off.
The only reason you think a fetus hs moral status id because you are likely religious.
I'm conservative because it's best fucking thing for everybody economically and socially. But i don't socially consider a fetus human. Keep your religious beliefs out of politics you little bitch

>>731410500
Indeed, the Nazis were outnumbered. They went against great powers. The point is their message. They wanted a Germany free of the international finance cabal, a Germany for the German people. Bankers couldn't have that.
>>731410566
You want to debate? If yes go ahead, if not fuck off. They are cucks buddy, have you seen the betas in antifa? Male feminists? It's a big, fat mess. A total disgrace. Sad!

>>731409501


any more scenes like these?

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so many liberals here comparing a soon-to-be-human genetic matter to inanimate objects and even to toenails
kekillekekekeverykekekekike

>>731410778
>They went against great powers


You mean they were suicidal and retarded.

>>731410744
It's about the potential for life. Regardless of when the cells become what one would call a person, if left alone, it would develop into a life. And people are OK with snuffing that out. Not good my dude

>>731410778
>They are cucks buddy, have you seen the betas in antifa? Male feminists?

But conservatives who actively vote against their own self-interest somehow aren't "cucks"? Uneducated retards on /b/. :^)

>>731410904
Then you should be vegetarian.

>>731410744
>I'm conservative because it's best fucking thing for everybody economically and socially

Well, you were on a roll there until you said this shit. You could have an argument socially, but economically, you're wrong by very definition.

>>731410904
And what is inherently morally valuable about the potential for life?

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>>731410871
>You mean they were suicidal and retarded.
Did you learn that in high school world history? Hitler did not want war, he offered England numerous peace agreements. The Nazis wanted peace, but the rest of the world did not. Do some fucking research boy

>>731409955
i'm not deadset on killing babies. i joined the conversation late.

i'm only stating that you can't rationalize obesity or harvesting organs necessary for the body to function over harvesting an unwanted and unconscious being. at what point does someone step in and say that we can start harvesting livers from able bodied and living individuals or requiring people to be perpetually fat so that we could have a steady supply of stem cells. i'd rather people who cannot support a family sacrifice their unborn rather than the poor and underprivileged sacrifice themselves.

>>731410906
Jeez

>>731410945
Wrong, the point of a species is to preserve itself and advance the population. That includes eating other animals. Killing our own directly contradicts that aim.
>>731411011
See above.

>>731411035
>"True socialism"

Oh boy.

>>731411196
>Wrong, the point of a species is to preserve itself and advance the population.

[citation needed]

>>731405154
>Libertarian
>socialist

Civil freedom without economic freedom is no kind of freedom. Try a position thats more ideologically consistant.

>>731411035


Burning Jews isn't peaceful.

>>731411207
No, different socialism. The socialism we know today is retarded. See Venezuela

>>731411240
nigga are you seriously implying that socialism doesn't allow for economic freedom?

you need to read more about socialism by actual socialists and not bill o'reilley

economic freedom is limited by the free market. source? look at all the people in america about to lose health care coverage because the markets have more power than the people

>>731411237
do you REALLY need a citation for that, dont you have a brain?

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By the way guys, don't hate on somebody if they're liberal or they're conservative. The beauty of democracy is that everybody gets to voice their opinion, and those voices form a conglomerate meant to better a republic.

>>731399535
>taking heroin because no other "legal" treatment didnt work so i can finaly have a good job and at least dont have anxiety
Maybe I am addicted to it. But I have a job, pay my taxes and dont do criminal stuff besides harming my own body in a moderate amount

>>731411002
Suit the fuck up you fucking hippy faggot from the god damn woods.
You wouldn't know the first think about economics.
You think success is giving away everything you worked for to a bunch of lazy niggers
You realize you disincentivise both yourself, other hard working people, and the poor, by taking from the rich and giving to the poor right?
Leftivism is the worst thing that has ever happend to the poor. It was capitalism that brought the poor out of living off sour milk and old potatos year round, it was capitalism that created the computer you type on, the clothes you are wearing and the home you live in. (Which was all done by white people by the way, deal with it)
The only bad thing about capitalism is that it couldn't make condoms cheaper so that you would hve never existed.
Go fuck yourself you little commie faggot

>>731411237
>implying there is any other aim to any kind of life
Don't cut yourself on that edge.
>>731411263
Jews weren't burned but okay sounds like the indoctrination got to you
>the victors write the history books

>>731411381
>One of the most common logical fallacies around is when people wish to persuade you of a fact by logic alone. The argument usually goes like this: in order to convince you of their point of view, they will tell you that their argument makes sense: and that this, on its own, is enough for it to be true.

Try again.

>>731411407
>You wouldn't know the first think about economics.

You're right, 2 years from finishing my PhD in economics and I don't know a damn thing. :^)

>You think success is giving away everything you worked for to a bunch of lazy niggers

Success of the individual? Maybe not. But what do you think the point of government is?

>You realize you disincentivise both yourself, other hard working people, and the poor, by taking from the rich and giving to the poor right?

The USSR's history says otherwise. See: World War II.

>Leftivism is the worst thing that has ever happend to the poor. It was capitalism that brought the poor out of living off sour milk and old potatos year round, it was capitalism that created the computer you type on, the clothes you are wearing and the home you live in. (Which was all done by white people by the way, deal with it)

Well of course, You need to take baby steps first. But we've grown out of Capitalism now.

>>731411432


Gassing is slower and even worse than burning.

Definitely not peaceful.

>>731411454
so you think that the point of a species is to kill their offsprings before even giving birth to them?

>>731411432
>implying that there's even the first point

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>>731388105
gee, well this is a surprise.

>>731411670
Maybe for non-human animals, but humans are a special case. We've mostly grown out of the whole caveman thing. We need to re-evaluate things.

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R8

>>731411196
Yeah since when did you get to decide the purpose of the species?
Even if that was the purpose what if we needed to prevent overpopulation to insure our survival?
Clearly we are overpopulated at the moment anyways.
I couldn'y give to shits about a fucking fetus. I'll play football with that little cunt and then run it over drop in a bag shit on it and throw it at your house around 3 in the morning.
The purpose of the species is to have no purpose. Don't tell me what to do faggot or I'll gut you

>>731411099
You dont need a whole liver, just a small little biopsy chunk that will heal up when they give you your dose of stemcells if you're a live donor. If you are dead and an organ donor the medical people will decide if it goes to research or to be donated as a transplant.

They coupd have a lipo place sayimg donate your fat today and get paid X/Ylbs

>>731411786
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>>731410744
lmao this faggot who dropped out in 6th grade (judging by his shitty opinions and lack of knowledge) is trolling the shit out of you guys

>>731411635

Are you sure?

Have they done double blind studies?

>>731411376
So, hang on. How does the government taking your money in the form of taxes not limit your economic freedom. It stops you from spending your own money as you see fit.
If the government comedeers something. You no longer have the freedom to use it

>>731411766
>re-evaluate things
you mean letting a mother decide if her son or daughter will come to life?

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>>731411454
Not the anon you're replying to but go on then, tell us the other purpose of any life on Earth if not to reproduce and further the species. I'll wait.
>>731411635
Those chambers were for removing lice big boy, the amount of body disposal it would take to match the estimates given about the so called death camps is far greater than what was possible. Math doesn't lie, but kikes sure do.
>>731411786
I couldn'y give to shits about a fucking fetus. I'll play football with that little cunt and then run it over drop in a bag shit on it and throw it at your house around 3 in the morning.
The purpose of the species is to have no purpose. Don't tell me what to do faggot or I'll gut you
This has to be bait, no one can be this cringe, this retarded, this young

>>731411956
Freedom to spend, sure. But I consider access to products and services more freedom than getting to choose what you can and can't have,

>>731411989
Sure, that's one thing.

The great part about abortionists' arguments is how rooted they are in the same emotion and moral-standing that they argue the pro-lifers' arguments are. Like in this thread. Someone explains how a zygote can be considered a human life, and then swarms of angry abortionists come in to declare A ZYGOTE ISN'T A HUMAN. When prompted to explain why, they use bizarre thought experiments involving killing children, ad hominem statements, and non sequitur comparisons.

It just goes to show that we have an innate and instinctual need to protect our children, at any level of development, when we are mentally-sound and healthy. The problem is that there IS an indoctrination in our society, to think of developing humans as less than human, because they just are. Never mind their genetic difference from the mother; never mind that they grow, have an internally-regulated environment, and seek out nourishment; never mind that the more they grow, the closer they get to being able to survive outside of the womb, until they are born.

More leaps of logic need to be made to understand the abortionist point of view, than the pro-lifer. These leaps include justifications of the "sanctity of the woman's body" (which ignores that of the child's), the right for a woman to "choose" (why doesn't a murderer who kills a person of limited function have that same right?), and other, similar emotional arguments. Abortion can be handwaved as a problem because, in early development, humans don't really look human, and the masses barely understand the process of gestation. Particularly bizarre arguments will call the human a symbiotic parasite, while the human's life-cycle is, for a very limited time, dependent on another organism for such things as nourishment and protection from outside stimuli.

The fact that there is a life growing in the woman's body means that it isn't just her choice anymore: by becoming pregnant, she now has a responsibility to that life. Abortion nullifies it.

>>731412042
>Not the anon you're replying to but go on then, tell us the other purpose of any life on Earth if not to reproduce and further the species. I'll wait.

Maybe there isn't one. But thanks for trying to box in my argument with your shitty tunnel vision.

>>731411629
Econimcs is by far the most conservative profession in financial aspects known to man. Ever.
The very foundation of economics was created by a man who believed in nothing more then free markets.
You don't have shit. I bet you got rejected from the tech college down the street from your house.
You know what post your degree with a time stamp and edit out your name.
I'll give you 5 minutes.
Can't wait to see you choke.
Faggot

The USSR had MILLIONS of people dying from starvation in the streets thanks to thier horrible economic system. You couldn't have picked a worse example please kill yourself.

Why would anybody who think we have grown out of capitalism get a PhD in economics?

You are so full of fucking shit.

>>731411885
probably just an edgy atheist, judging by his lack of respect for something that will become a human

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bout as centrist as you get without faking

>>731412192
If the only reason you believe what you believe is because a magical fairy man in the sky said its wrong then you are a little bitch.
If god gave us free will and then chooses to punish us for acting freely then heis one evil mother fucker.
I don't care if he exist or not he sounds like a dick.
Fuck fetus's and fuck you bitch

>>731412147
>Maybe there isn't one. But thanks for trying to box in my argument with your shitty tunnel vision.
You have no argument so idk how to reply to that

>>731412400
I think I might be a centrist. Is it lonely?

>>731412045
I'll admit my statment was vague. I just wanted to be punchy.
But surly one must consider someones property (and therefore money) as an extention of themselves (legally speaking)
Take the stuff. Limit the person.

>>731412461
usually people just post "not an argument" like that contrarian contemporary philosopher. can't recall his name.

>>731412158
>Econimcs is by far the most conservative profession in financial aspects known to man. Ever.

No, it's not. You'd know that if you knew anything about economics. Know who's generally considered the greatest and most influential economist throughout history in academia? Marx. Ever heard of Keynes? How about Adam Smith? Speaking of Adam Smith:

>The very foundation of economics was created by a man who believed in nothing more then free markets.

I really hope you aren't referring to Adam Smith here. If you are, you've just proved in a single sentence how little you understand economics and the history thereof.

The thing about Adam Smith is... They read Book I-III of the Wealth of Nations, and forget to read Book IV-V, where Smith speaks out against cetrain aspects of the means of production. They also don't know shit about him. He considered "Theory of Moral Sentiments" to be his crown accomplishment, not "Wealth of Nations". These facts can't be disputed. You're wrong, and the only way you can help yourself is if you accept it.

>You don't have shit. I bet you got rejected from the tech college down the street from your house.

And yet, you're the one who's demonstrating a stunning lack of knowledge.

>The USSR had MILLIONS of people dying from starvation in the streets thanks to thier horrible economic system. You couldn't have picked a worse example please kill yourself.

You should study up on the history of the USSR. Again, you can't be blamed for your ignorance, and I'd be happy to provide source material.

>Why would anybody who think we have grown out of capitalism get a PhD in economics?

Yes, because I did. Any economist worth their salt will tell you that current Capitalism is unsustainable, and major changes need to happen if we plan to be around in 200 years.

>>731412461
I wasn't trying to pose an argument. You're telling me that there's only one point to a species. I'm saying maybe even that is wrong.

>>731412640
Molyneux, but I'm not trying to Molymeme here, this dude just really doesn't have an argument

>>731412532
Well, in a fully Socialist system, private property doesn't exist.

>inb4 people don't know the difference between private property and personal property

>>731411858
look donating stem cells as a biopsy of your liver only to get a stem cell injection to heal your liver seems counter intuitive. if you ask me it sounds like farming. and medical decides if your liver is "healthy" enough for transplant or goes to research. can you think of a time when bribery and corruption didn't exist. it is only a matter of time when someone rationalizes that "x" amount of stem cells will heal "y" amount of patients over the handful of people that require the liver for donation.

and your lipo clinic idea is exactly what i am talking about. fatties staying fatties year round and earning a living off of selling their fat is not a good idea. especially if we have socialized medicine. how long will their heart last with the constant strains of fluctuating weight? when would we be able to tell them to stop donating because their health costs to outweigh their profits?

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Really tickles your yarmulke, doesn't it?

>>731412679
*Where Smith speaks out against certain aspects of the Capitalist mode of production

He claims that Capitalism reduces the workers to mere cogs in machines and destroys their individuality and growth as people. He further says that any country that wants to adopt Capitalism must be sure not to oppress the working class.

Further, he said that excess profits of a business should go back into the business, primarily raising the workers up to a higher standard of living comparable to the owner.

>>731412460
when did i say that i was religious?
i am agnostic and have a brain that can differ a soon-to-be-human from an inanimate object

>a magical fairy man in the sky
how respectful you are hmm? i see that you're just an edgy atheist that cant get a girlfriend to like you because you think that you are the Alpha male when actually you are just a neet manlet

>>731413147
>how respectful you are hmm? i see that you're just an edgy atheist that cant get a girlfriend to like you because you think that you are the Alpha male when actually you are just a neet manlet

premise A
conclusion F

You're "special", aren't you?

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=67.1&d=60.6&g=61.5&s=66.3

>>731413264
go on edgelord, spread your vast knowledge about how unimportant a fetus is, or dare-i-say something that can be compared to a toenail

>>731412972
Well. It does exist. You're just not allowed it.
I'm not gonna go full libertarian and be all "taxation is theft". I'm quite left on green issues for example and i recognise the need for some taxation.
I would very much like some of those American ideas on personal liberty to come over here to england tho.
Just those ones tho. You can keep the abortion stuff.

>>731413533
I'm not that guy you were debating with, I was just pointing out that your insult was a non-sequitur.

>>731413675
No, it just doesn't exist.

Property isn't a god-given right. It's an idea that we have developed. You should read Proudhon.

>>731389611
>Brittney White
A man of taste and distinction.

>>731399502
my nigger

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nationalist capitalist, im ok with that

>>731413675
Also, since you're engaging with me here, I was hoping to see what bullshit you were preparing for my other post:

>>731412679

I know it's hard to admit that a trained expert(ish) could possibly know more about a subject than you, but maybe it's time to start giving it some thought.

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well not social libertarian, I am an egoist anarchist, and you are all bunch of spooks!

>>731412679
>Marx is the most influential economist in history
Holy fucking shit. Now I know. I know for a fucking fact you arn't an economist. Marx was the worst "economist" you could ever fucking imagine. All he said was that we needed to end capitalism. He didn't even say how it would happen. He is infamous for not knowing shit about economics because he fucking hated the market.
The communist manifesto says that you arn't even allowed to hve private property. Why would we need econmics if nobody is fucking allowed to own anything? Marx was a dullsional fuck wit who spent 80% of his life in a bar drunk complaining about how hard it is to compete with others.

Do i know who keynes is?
You mean the guy who liked dick and spending other peoples money? Yeah I know of him. Hayek had it much more right.

Sounds like copy pasted that out of mind and the market but I'll indulge you.
Book IV and V were abstract ramblings that had little to do with market mechanisms. Thats why nobody reads them cuck.
Wealth of nations was also very free market baded faggot. Smith hated mercantilism in this book and wrote it to pursude parliment into a free market economy world wide.

Still think I don't know what i'm talking about?
Fuck off

Are you implying the USSR didn't have millions if people dying in the street from starvation die to thier shitty economy? Lets be clear on this give me a yes or not answer so I can ram you in the ass when you say yes.

You sound like you haven't even taken 1 economics course.
You havn't impressed me in the slightest.

>>731414212
>quoting Ol' Max

Oh boy, is it 1970 again?

>>731406922
Bro you don't get real liberalism
When whe rise he will be happy because he will be free to do what he wants

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Get triggered antifags

>>731414246
>Still think I don't know what i'm talking about?

Yeah, actually. You demonstrated a stunning lack of knowledge in this entire post. I don't even know where to start.

You just got proven wrong and think that your anonymity will somehow make you right if you dig your heels in more.

Considering that I deal with professors of Economics every single fucking day, and considering that I've actually READ Capital and Wealth of Nations, I can confidently say that you're pulling nearly all of that out of your ass.

>b-but how can you have an economy without property

Are you fucking kidding me? Just stop.

>>731412992
Not really, you can limit donations per month. Have you ever heard of donating plasma? You can only make up to $400/month where i am. You can only donate once every 2 days or twice every 7days. So again why cant you limit it? The doctors know the demand of what they need the liver or whatever other part of the body donated. They can also decide if someone is on a donor list and the liver is able to be used as a transplant and how urgent the issue is. Alot of donated tissue is not able to be used for transplant.

>>731414246
>Marx was the worst "economist" you could ever fucking imagine. All he said was that we needed to end capitalism. He didn't even say how it would happen. He is infamous for not knowing shit about economics because he fucking hated the market.

LOL what the fuck? do you live under a rock, or do you only know about marx from fox news?

this has got to be troll bait

>>731390268
Nice

>>731413764
Tell that too a lion in its territory or what we call "property". The term ownership, means you have someone that will fight for it, possibly to the death.

>>731414246
>doesn't know anything about Marx
>doesn't know anything about Smith
>doesn't know anything about Keynes
>pretends to be an expert in economics

So... how old are you again?

>Hayek had it much more right

Yeah, that's why he sits in the shadow of Keynes while FDR revived the American economy using Keynesian economics. You're the classic definition of a person that understands topics at the wikipedia level.

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>>731413677
to stop a shit debate from going on you gotta level yourself down to your opponent level of debate, got tired of the liberal-atheist counter-arguments

>>731414488
Bullshit. Saying you have a degree and actually having one are two different things and so far you have sounded 10000% retarded on economics.
You are just a fucking liar thats butthurt because he got called out and can't compete when he tried to act like he knew the names of a couple economists.

I'm not scared of you faggot. Prove you have a PhD. Prove it bitch.
Fucking prove it.
Any more posts that don't prove you are working on a PhD in economics or that you work with econ professors day in a day out will be regarded as trash.
Stop using a false appeal to authorty fallacy to try to muscle people into believing you.
You are clearly a liar and I can tell because you don't know shit about exonomics. You sound like a butthurt liberal who thinks communism is cool because your hippy friends said so. Fuck off.

>>731414566
Nice arguement. You didn't prove me wrong.

>>731414190
I'm just engaging the one stream of thought.
Just because its a man made right doesnt mean you can take it away without limiting someones freedom.
The right to property is still a thing.
I know its not tangeble but its an idea weve had alot longer then socialism.

I know this is /b/ but i thought our discussion was quite civil. I feel surprisingly sad now.

>>731399535
As long as someone gives more to society as he cost's there is no ethical reason to care for what he does at home as long as he doesn't hurt others
>Inb4 something something Jesus evil liberals

>>731414896
I don't have to "prove you wrong". Anyone who's read Marx will immediately tell that you have no idea what you're talking about.

How sad.

>>731414984
I'm the one you've been debating with this whole time. You're just a dumb kid with an ego.

>>731414852
This is really frustrating. First, I'm not about to get doxx'd.

Second, you prove that you have no clue what you're talking about with every post, but with unwarranted confidence and arrogance. It's pathetic.

I'll buy Capital and Wealth of Nations for you so you can read them if you want.