Just took a political compass test. What do you guys think?

>>730971266
green quad is best quad, but you are almost centrist. You need to have more opinions, man.

This is the internet. Opinions are weapons.

>>730971597
I'll try and look for new ideas and see other stances on certain subjects. Thanks for your input.

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Just took this myself, funny. It's shifted right quite a few notches since I last took this.

>>730972468
Trump'll do that to you

i saved your post

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best quad

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Is anyone here not in this quad

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>>730974866 oops wrong pic

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>>730974222
Checked.

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>>730971266

Green quad best quad!

>>730971266
I think you're a centrist faggot who doesn't commit to anything.

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Libertarian Socialist

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It's like my dot is trying to get past that wall. Who built that wall ? The people must free themselves from this oppressive grid !

I wonder how the results of this would be on /pol/

Libtards gtfo, commies and socialists

>>730975931
Like these
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>>730976048
Instead of presenting actual arguments or facts, just insults. Thanks edgy 14 year old.

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>>730976267
Not op, fuck off commie

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>>730976048
Brace yourselves. /pol/ is coming.

>>730976267
>muh arguments
Communism is shit and history proved it. Here is your argument.

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>>730971266
This is a flawed test, but I've been progressing this direction since the start of the year

>>730976792
Repulican im assuming

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>>730974866
As much as the vocal minority would have you believe otherwise, 4chan is a free and open online community which naturally harbours a left-leaning stance when removing the insincere edginess of boards like /pol/.

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>>730977272
>As much as the vocal minority would have you believe otherwise, 4chan is a free and open online community which naturally harbours a left-leaning stance when removing the insincere edginess of boards like /pol/.
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

The fucking normies will hear that shit.

>>730977272
Only poor people believe in socialism

>>730976737
>history proved it
10/10 Flawless argument. Go to /pol/

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Here's what I got in the last political compass thread.

>>730977649
Prove me wrong

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>>730977486
That seems wrong. Also the political compass site has ayn rand in the opposite corner

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>>730977675
hory sheet, quad buddies4life

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>>730971266
took one a wcouple weeks ago, here's those results

>>730977272
You made a better public image of 4chan with just that post

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wow i'm a normie

>>730978174
>"im 12 whats politics?"

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>>730977765

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In a nutshell

>>730978536
LOL get back to punch and runs and maybe throw some M80's at old people.

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;)

>>730978536
>implying i care about these deaths in uncivilized countries

>Look at the test
>"Don't care/doesn't affect me" isn't an option for any of the questions
Shit test tbh.

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RED QUADRANT BEST QUADRANT

>>730979460
commie scum

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>>730979460
Me approves dis

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what am I?
>inb4 fag yes

>>730979798
Not /pol/

>>730979895
you do realize anything goes on /b/ right? its not cp so gtfo

what is with all these gay faggot made up words nowadays?
people are doing this with their political beliefs the way LGBT does with gender identities its disgusting.

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The questions are way too vague to be useful, but whatever. I feel I'm much more libertarian than how it scores me.

All you lefty folks are faggots and should be gassed.

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>>730975724
>libertarian
>socialist

Why are the majority of people here gigantic faggots

>>730980092
>Anything goes on /b/
So what faggot?

>>730980234
>what is with all these gay faggot made up words nowadays?

>all these words

literally only 4 (6)

libertarian
authoritarian
right (conservative)
left (liberal)

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>>730975020
>>730975380
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>>730978174
Why do you hate roads ?

>>730971597
I tend to have something similar.
A centrist score doesn't show you have no opinions, I just have some very right and very leftist views.
Free abortions, gay marriage, decriminalized drugs and prostitution + border control, death penalty and eugenics.

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>>730979798
Normie's get out

Have some of your own opinions instead of just accepting what the media says you should think

>>730980966
Same, but I say no to gay propaganda.

>>730980757
such a weak question.

why do you hate freedom?

>>730981052
>Have some of your own opinions instead of just accepting what the media says you should think
lawl

>The media

I literally don't watch TV and spend all my waking hours on 4chan

Goddamn banners man. They been lying to me.

>>730981052
Found /pol/

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Am I doing it right?

>>730981216
why do you hate law and order and just bank off the kindness of other's? PS not the anon you responded too.

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>>730971266
you should be much more libertarian which will naturally make you slightly more left.

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what if you just don't care and would rather worry about yourself?

>>730981381
>other's

Why do you rely on public education for substandard grammar?

>>730980602
as if your political beliefs actually effect the world around you.
this anon is suffering from delusions of grandeur.
get back to work, wagie.

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It's a shame I'm too stupid to know what it means.

>>730981459
because i can't offord a private school.

>>730981576
and why is that?

>>730981459
and if the only argument you have is grammer then you're a absolute idiot.

>>730981553
It means you are almost anarcho scam

>>730981663
>Implying I care to get into an in depth conversation with a bunch of leftist indoctrinated people, when I would rather post my score and play an MMO.

>>730981720
almost is the important word here

>>730981216
Freedom encourages poor people to become more poor and raise new generations with bad social values. On the other side, non-degenerates won't suffer from goverment, because good goverment will support their healthy values.

>>730981627
because i was born into a pour family with a single mom who lives off wellfare due to us and her being abused by my dad and she is forced to live with her paren't s as we do too, dose that help at all?

>>730981814
>leftist
>indoctrinated
fucking kek

>>730981720
Really? But I thought I'm againt anarchism? How did it happen?

>>730981903
Sounds like your parents lacked self control, and didn't think ahead when it came to money, its actually their fault and their own stupidity, and you are the byproduct of it.

>>730981814
maybe instead of calling everyone indoctrinated you should look at both sides because all you seem to do is disiss my arguments, so unless you have a counter argument you are projecting.

>>730979460
I need a Jan Michael Vincent to the red quadrant

>>730982018
so it's my mom's fualt she was abused? that's like saying it's a blind mans fualt for not seeing on coming traffic.

>>730982107
Once again, I don't care to.

If you would finish reading my posts, you would know that.

>>730982214
>correcting self fault

>>730982214

She enabled it by not leaving the bastard, or calling the cops on him.

>>730981052
Dude, I almost never watch corporate news.

>>730982231
i did and i just think you lack the mental capacity for discorse.

>>730982107
This fag is trolling you so hard

Dictatorship is the best government.

r a d i c a l c e n t r i s t

>>730982333
>implying i care what you think about me, i don't know you, why should that have any weight on me whatsoever?

>>730982352
i don't even need too as he has trolled himself by saying it's a slaves fault for being a slave.

>>730982199
Bro. I laughed bro.
I laughed.

>>730976737
>implying there's ever been a communist country

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>>730975380
Hell yeah nigga

>>730977272
muh nigga

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>>730979460

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>>730982312
The media is not just corporate news, there's messages in the music you listen to, the comedy you watch, even if you don't experience this directly you still receive it through interaction with people who do

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>>730971266
Sup.

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>>730982612
>implying communism has anything to do with countries or governments
Nice one tankie

>>730982731
A meme is not an argument.

>>730982731
>logic
Ok...so if I call a dog a cat it makes it a cat? No it's still a dog.

>>730982765
>there's messages in the music you listen to,
Free form jazz
>the comedy you watch
Rick and Morty is kinda nihilist really
>even if you don't experience this directly you still receive it through interaction with people who do
HAHAHAHAHA!! I got it at the drive through?!

>>730982836
then prove the meme wrong to invalidate it instead of just saying not and argument i like.

>>730982882
yes because in your vocabulary that's what the label means.

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>>730982612
You wanna know how I know you're new to this whole 4chan thing?

>>730982882
if i call a person ingaging in the free market dose that make him a capitlist?

>>730971266
Your gov and isp are spying on your internet activity http://www.vpnprogram.com

>>730982916
I have no burden to argue against a non-argument, but communism means that the workers own and control the means of production. In none of those countries was that ever the case. Therefore, on the most fundamental level, they were not communist.

>>730983121
>Correction engaging

>>730983074
>implying I'm new to this whole 4chan thing

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>>730975020
>>730975380
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Honestly, I get people on both the left and the right, there are reasonable arguments on both sides. But being in the upper quadrants literally means you hate freedom. Even being in the center shows a disturbing lack of appreciation for freedom. Absolutely disgusting.

>>730983142
they used a regims to seize the means of production

>>730974866
Ironic, and fake

>>730983321
do you own that car?

>>730983303
Freedom is fucking cancer.

>>730983303
Curiously America "the freedom country" has been nowhere near the bottom for the past 70 years

>>730983394
Kill yourself bootlicker

>>730983493
He's probably an autist who thinks he would be the one ruling everyone.

>>730980757
I have no moral problem with selling drugs to kids
Also i read that as: you cant sell your 5 year old for heroin
Which im also ok with

>>730983493
You first, snowflake.

>>730983557
I just believe in an ordered society tbh. And the people who prattle on about muh freedums are almost 100% insufferable faggots who think they're special.

>>730983121
I think you fucking shot grammar in the head, and fucked the bullethole with that post.

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>>730983592
>anybody who wants individual rights is just a snowflake
>haha, I-I would be the master, n-not the subject, you betas

>>730983142
and you do as you said at the beginning Communism was never implamented and those are examples of communism being implamented and it said exactly what you said at the end, "My specific, prefect, entirely infallable brand of communism has never been tried"

>>730983740
i corrected myself in green text and excuse the grammer as i am tired right now.

>>730983815
>"My specific, prefect, entirely infallable brand of communism has never been tried"
No, retard, communism has LITERALLY never happened. Ever. At all.

>>730983985
the meme your dismissing gave 4 examples of you being wrong.

>>730983736
My grandfather didn't fight the Nazis for an ordered society.

>>730984112
No, it didn't.

>>730984125
Did he fight so that you could be a special snowflake? If so, then I guess he'd be thrilled to know he succeeded.

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>>730984112
The state owned the means of production, which is socialism, communism is where the workers own the means of production you fucking retard.

>>730984205
then what was stalin, mao and lenin?

>>730984292
Totalitarian dictators.

>>730984125
>implying all authoritarians are nazis

>>730984274
you mean the thing they had to create to force people to give over the means of production?

>>730984292
Socialists

>>730983592
willingly giving up your identity and individualism to be an ant in a colony, another dead soldier, a reflection of god or state. If you are not you then you are nothing, an empty shell ruled by spooks. You can be in control of your own reality, you can make your will the driving force of your life but instead you choose to another follower directed by others, no self confidence to follow yourself.
>>730983736
Order is a spook and the more you thrive for utopianism the more cruelty will happen. Do you think our society is ordered now? How much excitement do we have to strip away from our lives until we have order?
You are not special because you tell yourself that you are not. You probably think on some grand scale like "oh people die everyday so life is meaningless" wrong. Life has the meaning you apply to it and it doesn't matter how special or boring you look to others if you are special to yourself.

>>730983985
I actually agree that this is true, but still think communism is a dumb idea that wouldn't work and still wouldn't be the best solution even if it magically did work. Of course it hasn't happened when you need socialism as a "transition" and believe any socialist leader is going to give up power.

>>730984421
>>730984377
>>730984274
communism is just an extreme form of socialism, by saying socialist that doesn't mean shit be specific, that is all child minded faggots.

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>>730984408
>Muh NAP
The state forced them to. Actual communism(seen in anarcho communist territories) was destroyed by the marxists and the fascists. In the free territory and Catalonia, people voluntarily participated in communism.

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>>730984489
I think I just gained a chromosome. Christ.

>>730984591
Yeah but that's wrong though, no matter how many times you repeat it.

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>>730984622
Laugh all you want but I am ego and you are jelous

>>730984621
do you have evidence of this?

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I fucking hate lefties

>>730975724
>hurr i will make up terms
you are a dumbass; socialism is literally redistribution of wealth, which is antithetical to libertarianism.

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What the fuck am I

>>730984744
And we fucking hate you too, nazi faggot.

>>730984700
Nice dubs.

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>>730984717
Research it yourself, I don't have to provide it for you, research voluntary association, anarcho communism, the free territory of Ukraine, and Revolutionary Catalonia

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>>730984828
Both my stirnerposts got dubs, I feel blessed by self

>>730984812
A basement-dwelling neckbeard.

>>730971266 OP, where you take the test? I'll give it a shot

>>730984693
i'm always told i'm wrong by anarchists and communists and the retarded anarco-communists but sadly they leave or get pissed and try to change the subject after i say the magic words........ "were's the evidence?"

>>730985015
You're the one making the claim that the USSR was communist. Not I. YOU give evidence you raging sperglord. Oh wait, you can't.

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>>730984814
left wing cuck detected

>>730985165
latino trumpfag detected

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>>730984903
i'm asking you because i have researched it and by basic logic you have to force people into it, if you get the same water as a sewer and you are a welder your screwed and want to dip out but then you need to replace until no one else is left or the people get lazy as there is no reward for advancement and just stop working.

>>730984914
Well im actually a university student with a stable relationship of nearly 4 years, but okay then. I try not to take a political leaning too far. When faced with a political decision i try to look at the net gains and losses of each decision, and look at them in the context of other decisions. Helping people as much as possible without limiting potential of business and the market...

>>730984805
>make up terms
Literally a longass article on wikipedia

>>730985297
I was just shitposting, senpai, it wasn't even a response to your chart.

>>730985104
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-7/cpml-ussr.htm

here's what you asked for.

>>730985377
>it has an article on wikipedia
so? wikipedia editors are hardcore autists and i doubt there's a conservative editor on the entire site. so of course they co-opt terms for their own benefit.

>>730985495
That doesn't look like what I asked for.

>>730985618
>Le fake news xdd

>>730985287
>>730985287
Ok I get it NAP lover, even if you're reading about about NAP violations, nobody in those territories were forced to do anything. People were allowed to leave and come as they pleased.
>when you do research on breitbart

>>730985377
that article is an incredibly exercise in redefining what "libertarian" is

no surprise the marxists and anarcho-fags would go after the term

>>730985287
Also the peasants and working class banded together to achieve a common goal. Nobody forced an action upon another in the territories

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Why do I get this every time I take the compass test?

>>730985749
except the one's in Korea.... and USSR Russia, can't forget good old china today.

>>730985960
Again, none of those are communist.
com·mu·nism
ˈkämyəˌnizəm/
noun
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

>>730985720
sorry you have your head so far up your ass

>>730986140
>I'm only allowed to read articles from people I agree with
Fascists always have something new

>>730985960
Communism is also stateless and class less, those all have states

>>730986102
so unless it is perfectly to the T of what karl marx said then it's not communism? i guess ideas can never change huh?

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>>730985883
I'd fuck them all
the guys too

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>>730985883
>I'm seizing your means of production

>>730986325
Nothing has to be to the t what he said, just literally ONE thing.

The means of production MUST be owned by the workers, not the state. This one thing defines all communist ideology. Can we please get past these shitty memes?

>>730986428
let me seize that sexy bearded ass boi, and i ain't asking.

>>730985618
>>730985826
This fag is trolling so hard

>>730986494
/argument

>>730986271
what are you talking about? i skimmed that article and it's just a compilation of a bunch of dead fucks pontificating on the proper role of the state and redefining "socialist" to mean common ownership and "libertarian" to mean anti-state which is an oversimplification.

If I had to CORRECTLY define Libertarianism in one sentence it would be "the primacy of the individual over the state"

any sort of "for the common good" argument is not libertarianism.

>>730986602
>what is voluntary association

>>730986494
the workers are owning it as the government works thus they are workers and have seized the means of production to monopoly everything to be equally destributed amoungest the people.

>>730986587
>h-ha I have nothing to say so I'll just make an epic meme xddd

>>730986602
>any sort of "for the common good" argument is not libertarianism
And that's why libertarianism is cancer.

>>730986779
I was agreeing with you though, nigga. /argument as in, end of argument.

>>730986716
ok? i need more to understand your point

>>730986740
When government is involved and owns the means of production it's not communism. This is like the third time I've said this and you still have your ears plugged up F A M

>>730986829
and for the common good is not a communist idea either, communism is what benefits the collective mind set as not everyone is a copy mold of each other.

>>730971597
Green Party is the party of trigger warnings and sensitivity training. Fuck the Greens. Long live the Purple Party

Also it is my opinion that stupid fucks like you shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. Checkmate.

>>730986907
O shit I thought that was a Stefan meme lmao. Sorry comrade

>>730986939
even thou it meets the requirments of equal destributation and everyone looks a like and act's a like, like most gooks do.

>>730987025
Trigger warnings and sensitivity training is red, not green. There's nothing libertarian about that shit.

>>730987025
edgy XD

>>730986939
remember when you said? because i do.... it went a little something like "Nothing has to be to the t what he said, just literally ONE thing."

>>730986926
When people voluntarily join together for a common goal, it's not a greater good sentiment. It's individuals who assist each other on their own accord, not forcing others for a greater sense of good

>>730987206
>even thou it meets the requirments of equal destributation

That fits socialism. The distinction between communism and socialism is that in communism the distribution is not by the state. This is not a very difficult concept.

>>730987391
>correcting when to what

>>730987391
He was referring to the specific one thing of workers owning means of production, not ANY one thing you retard.

>>730987206
Equal distribution is also a socialist idea and a communist idea. Those states you mention over and over are SOCIALIST. How many fucking times do I have to say this shit to you this is like the fifth time

>>730987407
how exactly is anyone suppose to do or get anything without someone giving them there handouts?

>>730987497
>>730987456
>>730987407
think faggot's, how are you going to get your welfare without anyone to give it to you?

>>730987553
By everyone in society owning the means of production and splitting it amongst themselves, with those who can do more thus producing more and those who don't have the ability producing less but to each individual there is alotted to him what he needs to survive

>>730987392
ok, but that has nothing to do with this redefining what "libertarian" means. libertarianism has always been in support of free association

shit it's the reason Rand Paul made a stink last year when he suggested we scrap the Civil Rights Act because it makes freedom of association (as in declining to associate with a particular person or group) all but impossible in a professional context.

>>730987553
That's the million dollar question and as somebody who thinks communism is a retarded idea, I can't answer it. It was just painful watching you not grasp what the thing is you're arguing against, I'm glad that obstacle has finally been overcome.

>>730987677
Workers councils, direct democracy, communes

>>730987758
who is destributing this? how do you know they won't rob you blind and take it all for themselves? why do you not think about what could happen?

>>730987245
I see what you mean by that, I should have said that Greens are the party of Economic Social Justice and class equalization. Throw in a good dose of affirmative action and gender pay scale adjustments.

But I did haphazardly throw in trigger warnings and other forms of social justice along with it since they tend to be in lock step with one another.

>>730987553
Basically it relies on fairytale logic. Trying to be fair and making sure everyone gets their share without actually enforcing property rights or allowing a system of banking to flourish.

It creates a power vacuum into which will walk the first brute happy to become the arbiter of this fair and equal distribution.

Try reading Animal Farm.

>>730987902
Because there isn't one person deciding who gets what, it's the community coming together and democratically deciding who gets what and how each person's needs will be met

>>730987868
but that is a body of government and must be disanteled here's the definition. gov·ern·ment
ˈɡəvər(n)mənt/
noun
1.
the governing body of a nation, state, or community.
"an agency of the federal government"

>>730988012
Animal farm was a critique of authoritian communism by a libertarian socialist lol! One pig decided who gets what and it all went to shit

>>730988065
exactly how is this taking place? do explain because i'm just imagining a mail person that just delivers food and water to people.

>>730988130
Anarchism is not removal of all government, but unjustified hierarchy. This governance is justified because nobody is a victim, you can stop participating whenever you want, and everyone has a say in this democracy, and there is no subjugator

>>730987758
This works really well when your worker motivation councilors carry AK-47s, I see where you are going with this.

>>730988190
Orwell was a democratic socialist dumbass, because libertarian socialism DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm

>>730988304
In Catalonia for example, workers ran restaurants and such. Each person has like tokens for things like alcohol and extra stuff, and this is used to get your share for a period of time and everybody had the same, but those who needed more things to survive had such, but extra wants were rationed

>>730988323
then why dose it have anarchy as it's name's definition reads an·ar·chy
ˈanərkē/Submit
noun
a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
"he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy"
synonyms: lawlessness, nihilism, mobocracy, revolution, insurrection, disorder, chaos, mayhem, tumult, turmoil

>>730988401
Cite some evidence backing this up. Animal farm had a dictator right away(death of Lenin, rise of Stalin, who were both government enforcers btw). Nothing in animal farm was libertarian. Orwell spent time in anarcho syndicalist catalonia FAM

>>730988323
when did all these words convinently get new definitions?

>>730988585
Because the word is different from the ideology, just like how earwigs don't actually go in your ear. It's a Latin word and is just a basic summary of anarchism

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>>730988689
>cite evidence backing this up
backing WHAT up? I'm not saying Animal Farm is libertarian. if that was your takeaway you might want to brush up on your reading skills

>>730988575
but that's money and against what karl marx said thus you are a haritic.

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4 years ago I would have been fairly far the left.

Oh how times change.

All hail the god-emperor.

>>730988794
earwigs do go into you're ear.... are you mentally ill anon?

>>730988710
When Pierre Joseph proudhon formed the first ideas of anarchism. It had nothing to do with the word for the most part, it was just a convenient name for the ideology that was mutualism, and next bakhunin and Kropotkin expanded it. It was not based off the word, but rather, a new ideology

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>>730988898
>Bernie
>Libertarian
dude fucking pick one

>>730988824
I was talking about Orwell being a democratic socialist

>>730988898
Hillary's blue quadrant, retard. She's just closer to the middle than Trump. No major American politician is in the red.

>>730984274
eventually the workers always either relinquish control or are forced to do so, communism can't work

Green master race

>>730988991
>t had nothing to do with the word for the most part

>most part

>>730981052
just because someone doesn't have the same opinion as you does not mean that they are wrong, telling people they should not accept what the media thinks is stupid because now they are listening to what YOU think. /pol/ hypocrites are the normies of /b/, kek

>>730988845
No, you don't get them for working or as profit which you can use for whatever, they are purpose made, and not exchangeable for any resource

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Green quad reporting in

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Am I doing it right?

>>730988999
Nice trips, but you're misreading the graph. Bernie is very high on civil freedoms (thus being low on the Y axis) but economically left (thus being left on the X axis), and that's the green quadrant.

>>730989026
Well here's the wiki, it's right there in the first paragraph.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell

My paperback of Animal Farm has a foreword that discusses at length Orwell, his situation when he wrote the novel and what his politics were

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>>730971266
Hm.

>>730989104
Because the Latin word is different from the ideology. Which I just fucking said

>>730989112
money is just an IOU of a common item to get another item so yes it's money even when you define it that way.

>>730986428
>>I'm seizing your means of reproduction
ftfy

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>>730989236
you mean this.

Etymology. The word anarchy comes from the ancient Greek ἀναρχία (anarchia), which combines ἀ (a), "not, without" and ἀρχή (arkhi), "ruler, leader, authority." Thus, the term refers to a person or society "without rulers" or "without leaders.".

Anarchism holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, and harmful. ... Anarchism is usually considered a radical left-wing ideology, and much of anarchist economics and anarchist legal philosophy reflects anti-authoritarian interpretations of communism, collectivism, syndicalism, mutualism, or participatory economics.

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>>730989246
But those weren't IOUs, nobody owed anyone anything

>>730989155
>Bernie is very high on civil freedoms
Not really. He seems to be supportive of religious freedom and freedom of speech but that's about it.

He wants a massive expansion of the welfare state paid for by massive tax increases, particularly on the richest.

He thinks 20 types of deodorant are "too many".

I bet I could find all sorts of gross shit on Sanders if I dig, but that's just what I can recall.

>>730989246

That isn't what money is. Money is an attempt at a storage of value. Most money today is fiat and isn't an IOU for anything other than someone's debt.

In its classical usage, left-libertarianism is a synonym for anti-authoritarian varieties of left-wing politics, either anarchism in general or social anarchism in particular.It later became associated with free-market libertarians when Murray Rothbard and Karl Hess reached out to the New Left in the 1960s

>>730989494
sauce

>>730982883
Agenda based anti nazism, and anti authoritarianism(anti galactic government) is not nihilism, you faggot.

>>730989508
Thank you sir

>>730989637
Are you actually contesting an article about earwigs. That has nothing to do with politics

>>730989494
For a second there i thought i was in /an/

>>730989551
He's against the war on drugs, he's fairly pro-gun (he was as easy on guns as the democratic voter base would let him get away with, anyway), he's pro gay marriage, he's pro-abortion, I mean he's on the freedom side of all of that shit.

>>730989539
how is trading a token for food not an IOU? you have a token and gave it to the bar tender, he gives you your food and water, how exactly is that not an IOU?

>>730989551
Leftist rarely can see that an increase in taxes is in fact a decrease in freedom. They think it works where they get a free lunch, and that free lunch will be made and delivered by some other dimension summoned by legal rituals.

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>>730989551
http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/26/bernie-sanders-minus-war-weed-and-survei

>>730989551
Whats wrong with taxing the wealthiest people and redistributing some of it

>>730989632
i go to the store and give the clerk 5 dollars for a slushy is that not an IOU and how dose it differe from give token get food, give token get water?

>>730989877
It's more like a coupon or a ticket. You don't have to really do any feat for a certain amount, everyone's got the same amount. You don't owe the bartender anything, you just get your share of alcohol that everyone in the commune is entitled to

>>730989795
i want to know where you got the info, so yes.

>>730990078
you don't owe the bartender anything if you pay them for your capitalist beer as well, so is that now communism? everyone can go in and get a beer if they want as long as they have the right token to use.

>>730990030
because it's not your money. it's their money.

why do you want to take money from others so badly?

>>730989877

Because its not. If it was an IOU it would not independently loose value based on other factors. It would trend with whatever it was pegged to. If our money was based on a commodity like gold or grain then you would be correct.

Why does your money buy less somedays and more otherdays. It is because it isn't a based currency and changes value due to supply and demands of repayment of debts which is what gives it value in the first place in our system.

>>730990030
Lots of retards are convinced that they'll be one of the wealthiest one day and don't want to lose any of it.

>>730990425
except a good portion of these people are BORN into their money. entrepreneurs such as bill gates, for example, do not fit under this. that is HIS money. but old money needs to start getting fresh roots. these trust fund babies have done nothing to EARN it.

>>730990544
And what do you know, Bill Gates is very much in favour of higher taxes on the rich. Weird how that works out huh?

>>730990433
when dose an IOU change value? if i give a token to a bar tender that'st saying he owes me food and water so he gives me food and water. exactly how is that not money?

>>730990544
>except a good portion of these people are BORN into their money.
So? that's still THEIR fucking money. If Bill Gates wants to give his money to his kids, who are you to say that is wrong? It's Bill's money and he has the RIGHT to dispose of it how he wishes. He could burn it and he would be entirely, 100% justified in doing so.

And fwiw Bill and his wife are part of the Giving Pledge so they will be donating a large chunk of their vast wealth upon death.

>>730990394
No, you get the beer, you owe him money, you give him money. This is capitalist

You give your token to the bartender and you receive your share of beer. You're entitled to it, it's not a payment. It's like getting your piece of a pizza everyone shares and maintains

>>730990714
The bar tender doesn't fucking owe you, you're getting your share. He can get his too, everyone shares all the alcohol equally. You're getting what your labor for, your equal share for working and doing your part

>>730990740
Don't say rich people work for their money, then.

>>730990761
let's say you and friends make a homemade pizza and after it's done you limit everyone to 1 sclice a day and there's 8 sclices and 6 of you tommorow who will get the sclices?

>>730990640
which i think is a very honorable move. hard working man. i have nothing but respect for him.

>>730990740
except notice how all of his kids had to do the same shit. he hasn't given them a cent. he told them they needed to learn to earn their shit, too.

>And fwiw Bill and his wife are part of the Giving Pledge so they will be donating a large chunk of their vast wealth upon death.

i know this. hence why i wasn't classifying him under old wealth.

>>730990030
is it wrong to take things that don't belong to you and you didn't create?

If I made a couple of really cool slingshots, is it moral for you to come take one? I am slingshot rich and you are slingshot poor. You can say a person cannot use more than one slingshot.

If my friend made a couple really cool slingshots and gave me and the rest of his friends one, you should probably come and demand yours as well then, even if you are not our friend mostly because you are the douche complaining about fairness and taking everyone's stuff. No one likes you FattyMcFat Face.

>>730990930
well, some do. it's irrelevant to the fact that money earned or freely given to one by another is money you have no claim to.

taxation is theft

>>730990740
>he has the RIGHT

Why? Why is he entitled to it? Especially given that he lives in a world where the government helped him earn that wealth.. You think Microsoft would be what it is without the enforcement of intellectual property laws?

>>730990917
i don't know about you but i work for money as well and pay for food with it so am i now a commie?

>>730990977
It depends who needs it the most. If your starving friend needs more, everyone gets a little less but is given enough equally for what they need to survive. The starving man gets more because he needs it to SURVIVE

>>730991105
Owning land is theft. Owning means of production is theft. Wages are theft.

>>730991145
how is it equal if someone get's more then another?

>>730991105
>taxation is theft
Literally the most juvenile and asinine political opinion I have ever heard.

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>>730991105
Go live in Somalia then. The US government provides you many benefits and protections; if you don't want to contribute, stop taking advantage of them. Leave.

>>730991068
that is an awful analogy. by hogging wealth you are being SELFISH to those born into less fortunate circumstances. it is a moral duty of these people to help those that aren't able to help themselves. no one choose to be born into poverty.

and fyi, making slingshots doesn't make you rich unless you start selling them. it just makes you a jackass with a ton of slingshots.

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>>730991255
ok that's not an argument though :^)

really explain how taking money by threat of force is not theft.

i'll wait.

>>730991145
if your 6,4 friend needs to eat and your 5,4 frind needs to eat why odse the 6,4 person get the same amount as he has a bigger body and needs more energy to work and run.

>>730991281
>somalia
there it is

you know you're dealing with a leftist retard when they tread out Somalia, a FAILED SOCIALIST STATE as an example of libertarian utopia

keep trying.

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>>730971266
I just want gays to be able to marry and have kids, yet rednecks should be able to shoot their AR's into the night recklessly (within reason). People should be able to grow marijuana and smoke it, but people on welfare shouldn't be on it for years on end unless they lost a fucking leg on the job.

>>730991233
Because everyone else gets an equal amount if they need the same amount, but the starving man gets more because he needs more. Those who can make more pizza give more pizza and those who need more pizza to live get more pizza

>>730991377
Explain how being the owner of a corporation isn't theft.

>>730991414
If he needs more to live he gets more to live and gives as much as he can produce because he can produce more

>>730991377
Because it's a fact of life when you live as part of a civilization. It's something you agree to by living here. If you want to be an island, fuck off to the middle of nowhere and grow your own food. I doubt anyone will miss a sperglord like you.

>>730991500
yeah sorry but that's not how you argue a point.

but organizing labor is not theft, it's just creating jobs.

anyway, i'm still waiting.

>>730990714

Money changes value everyday with the adjustment of prices of various items. It is called inflation and deflation and it impacts things like food, water, and even tokens at Chuck y-Cheese.

Most bars sell beer for around $4 a bottle these days. 5 Years ago it would have been $3. Before that $2... you get the idea.

The money "tokens" are becoming less valuable because the unit of money we use is holding less value. (thus higher wages, prices, so on)

As stated before money is not a token, it is a storage of value.

>>730991483
do you know what equal means? dose 75 cence to every dollar your co-worker in the same job get's make it equal?

>>730991670
well you made a better attempt than >>730991500
but you've still failed to explain how it's not theft. you've just justified the theft as a need.

i know for a fact i never signed a contract where i agreed to fork over a portion of my income for the rest of my natural life.

>>730991675
>creating jobs
kek

>>730991751
It's equal because everyone has enough to live, not because you all have the same amount. BUT, everyone has the same for stuff that isn't necessary to live

>>730991734
i was talking about IOU's as that is what money is and in communism there's no banks so who will inflate and who will deflate? think before you type retard.

Y'all need to read some basic marxian economics before you argue about what is theft.