Communism doesn't work (Yes, that was real communism)

>>730961826
Communism is a stateless moneyless society. Find me a stateless moneyless society then you can call it communism

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>>730961826
Sure this is true but just as with capitalism there are many forms of Communism, Communism may evolve just as capitalism has evolved over time into a more stable form of government, so It would be ignorant to say that communism doesn't work definitively

>>730962185

Nursery

>>730962450
???

>>730962185
Anarcho-socialist Spain. Total failure.

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>>730962853

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>>730961826
Communism has failed only in that it has never been achieved. Karl Marx argued that, in the beginning, a communist revolution would result in a dictatorship of the proletariat, and that this dictatorship would ultimately seek to destroy itself and establish communism. This period in between, in which the new dictatorship establishes communism is socialism. A communist society is ultimately stateless. People make fun of the "not real communism" thing, but those societies literally aren't real communism-- they don't fit necessary conditions to be considered communist. The people don't have the power, the workers do not own the means of production.
There is a crucial and absolutely legitimate criticism of communism that this image brings up, but it isn't that communism has always failed, it is that the great communist philosophers and revolutionaries have yet to establish a legitimate way of achieving communism. Dictators will never relinquish power, even talking about doing so will result in their replacement by even more brutal and totalitarian leaders. The transition from socialism to communism is impossible.

>>730963255
kek I meet a guy that was just like this

>>730962853
This

>>730961826
Capitalism keeps pretending it's working. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>730963324
see
>>730963255

>>730961826
you are right. and democracy is just a slower route to totalitarianism. statism is the problem.

>>730961826
>>730961826
Depends on who you are.
Communism is damn good if you're a high-ranking military officer or a politician.

>>730962185
american indians. didnt work out that great for them, did it?

>>730961826
Please, please, tell me: where did capitalism worked, and for whom it worked.

>>730965158
This is why we need to abolish government.

Communism can only work in a society where human greed and dishonesty doesn't exist.

>>730965217
Empires and most tribes knew the concept of private property,currency and trade.

>i havent read a single philosophy or polsci book in my life

fify

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>>730965264

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My girlfriends parents are maoists, what do?

>>730965354
lol no thats why they call them indian givers you massive memester retard.

>>730965217

It was working pretty well right up until European rapefugees invaded and messed shit up.

Any political system can fall to sheer brute strength.

>>730965451
probably get that chick some glasses.

dumb american liberal lumpenprole: the thread

>>730965451
Looks like you need to turn 361° and run.

>>730962853
>anarcho-socialist
kek, you have no idea what you're talking about. wtf is anarcho-socialist?
there were scores of different factions in Spain in the years prior to WWII. but the system didn't crumble because "it didn't work", but because Soviets sabotaged it from within, and Franco won the civil war with Axis support.

go read a book

>>730965482
They had different views regarding land,but they still had other property and trading.
also,nigger,look up pre-columbian empires

>>730965659
>arguing with american retards

come on anon

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>>730965264
>Central banker writes an IOU for $1.
>Pays off the IOU for $0.07
>$$$

>>730965450
exactly

>>730965659
Any society which deviates from Capitalism IS an Anarchy!

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>>730965524
Normally she wears them

>>730965735
lol no.

>>730965924
ok good, she looked like she had a hard time seeing or maybe had the sun in her eyes in that other picture. couldnt tell if it was because of the japanese shit or if she really couldnt see.

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yes because capitalism is so great

hah

got ya guys

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also i will now dump

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>>730966255

>>730963324
Hey fellow poors, the white upper middle class jew sounds like he's got some solid advice for how to live your lives

>>730965451
You need to pound your decadent western cock in and out of her communist pussy like the hammer that brought down the Berlin wall. Once that is achieved you must shoot a load of NATO right across her border until she gives birth to a modern European nation-state.

Trust me.

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>>730962185

The early Christian church was pretty close.

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>>730965962
Do some research,dumbass.
Some societies that existed in very hostile environments functioned somewhat like hippie communes,but they were not"true communists",despite what lefties want you to think.

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>>730961826
>tfw when you have no family left in Hungary because of the commies

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>>730966444

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BETTER DEAD THAN RED

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>>730966062
It's also the sun from behind the camera.

But anyway, how to deal with the fact her parents have a fucking Mao quotation above their dinner table?

>>730966461
lol I did enough research. youre wrong, dude, nothing you can say will change that fact.

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>>730966484

Need to crack a few eggs to make an omelet :)

>>730966553
better dead than read in your case

>>730966484
>tfw people say tfw when

shut the fuck up kiddo.

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>>730966565

that's not how you debate people

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>>730966353
…and then they invented the papacy and tithing and shit.

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>>730966770

These wannabe communists will learn what real communism is when they are waiting in line for their daily ration of an apple.

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>>730966343
Kek, don't worry. That's ongoing

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To all you dumbass the social science freshmen who live sheltered lives with your 6 figure earning parents and dont understand human nature

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>>730966829

>>730966564
the same way you deal with a girl's parents who want to say grace before eating. just go along with it and dont try to change them, dont let them change you.

>>730966675
actually it is how I debate people. I never lose.

>>730966343
Then America walks in fucks you both...and tells you to pay at least 2% of your GDP to support your defense (NATO). Free-riding fuck.
>look at me, I iz Urapeein, I invented cheez

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>>730966871

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>>730966986

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>>730966956

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>>730966844
no one needs your shitty toys, fucking faggot.

>>730966856
Good. You're doing the Lord's work anon. Spread your Capitalist seed all around to these Godless Chinee.

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>>730967100

>>730966968
TANSTAAFL.

>>730962853

Uhhhhhhhhh you know that the Anarchists that controlled Catalonia managed to defend the area successfully from Franco's forces while increasing production of food and munitions from pre-Civil War levels, despite the presence of an embargo right? Spain proves "Anarcho-Socialism" (lol) to be successful.

>>730966866
>human nature

get back to school, retard.

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>>730966844

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>>730965347
>where human greed and dishonesty doesn't exist

So, pretty much restricted to species that reproduce by parthenogenesis.

>>730966866
lol my parents earn upper 7 figures, nice try.

>>730967172
Really? If it is so successful, would you mind telling us all what happened to them? Kek.

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>>730962185
you NEED a medium of exchange. it can be clams, it can be bottle caps, it can be sea-shells. but goddamn it it's still money. have you ever tried bartering? it's a pain in the fucking ass without an accepted standardized unit and market value.

>>730966866
>humum nutur guyz!!!!

kys

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>>730967265

>>730967172

that's besides the point either way. Any nation that is being met with resistance from the rest of hte world is doomed to fail, no matter their ideology (hey nazis, how did Germany end up?)

>>730967177
Once a community of humans grow to where everyone doesnt have some sort of close bond to one another not everything can be shared you fucking dingus

"Communism doesn't work!" says the Capitalist while the oceans rise and are acidified, CO2 reaches record levels in the atmosphere, a man-made extinction level event rampages unchecked, and the global South starves while functioning as neo-colonial slave states.

>>730962956
>7,000,000 people

wut

>>730967287

Sure. Statist communists and their puppet Largo Caballero took over and disarmed the anarchists. Spain also proves that communism doesn't work.

>>730967265
kek, there's no need to be greedy if your existence is not constantly being jeopardized by people who can fuck up millions of others without breaking a sweat. Yeah, I know that's too hard for you to understand.

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>>730967454

>holodomor

Wut

>>730966956
you're literally 12 years old

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>>730967453

>>730967453
>neo-colonial slave states
They are the victims of both their own and the westerner's greed.
Stupid niggers don't have to accept the rifles the white man gives them to shoot their own kind.

>>730967778

"I have a plate full of well done steak with ketchup! Global hunger is a lie!" -Trump, probably.

>>730967677
Let me clarify since seem to lack sufficient reading skills; The image refers to "...all 7,000,000 people on the planet..."

>>730967844

>They are the victims of westerner's greed
>westerner's greed = capitalism
>the global South is the victim of the global capitalist order but let's focus on the tiny percent of the global population that capitalism is working for

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>>730967279
ooooh got 'em

>>730967745

You literally are 13 years old and have not yet figured out what sarcasm is.

>>730967395
lol, you can't understand the most fucking basic concepts: communism is not about "sharing" you freaking mongoloid.

>>730961826
I bet most internet "commies" would die in a gulag in a real commie state. Wtf is with 1st world people and this leftist shit? Why can't they stfu and enjoy their peace and food?

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>>730967927
Pro-capitalist meme generators are not known for their intelligence or their accuracy.

>>730968150

Because most people do not have peace and food.

>>730961826
The "currency" of "real existing communism" was connections and status within the party. If you had "currency" you had more stuff, which was an unfair system to begin with.

Secondly, "real existing communism" never got around the fact, that if you want free reign of resources, you have to accept that certain goods are limited, and limitation causes arbitrary price hikes.

i occasionally ask hard socialists how to solve the problem of having 10 houses on the beach but 100 people wanting to live there. most of them think about it for a minute or so and all of them refuse to give a believable answer.

>>730968207
civilized people do

>730968236

ez game

make more houses

>>730963324
I appreciate anons that are willing to write a paragraph in complete sentences

>>730968157
>one guy fucks up
>reflects entire ideologies
>one of your guys fuck up
>well it wasn't real communism, if we just did x, y and z it would work
why do all extremists thrive on double standards?

inb4 ancap, im not an ancap

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Don't worry commies your day is coming

>>730968236
i mean houses aren't some holy thing that was placed on earth by god or whatever, people made them. Make more houses.

I'm a high school drop-out i know how this stuff works

>>730963324
it will be, when you create a machine that can produce 99% of the goods in your house, from waste or dark energy or something thats abundant in the universe like solar energy. at that point the only thing you really need is someone to leave you alone on your place on the planet of your choosing. the only reason to work would be to advance yourself or the group your are with. you even don't need top on leaders, because their main job isn't anymore to divide and decide access to critical resources.

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>>730961826

If it doesn't work why did the West have to carpet bomb countries that tried it? Why do they put economic sanctions on countries that try Light Socialism? (They are able to do this because of the genocide of 100,000,000 people in the Western hemisphere, btw) Commies beat Hitler, not capitalists. Communism and socialism put men into space and on the moon (NASA is a socialist org btw). Why does Cuba have better health care than US despite a world empire trying to destroy them?

What makes you think capitalism worked? Everyone I know is unhappy.

>>730968441
someone has to provide the resources and do the work

>>730968279
Yeah, because they stole from the people who are now starving. But don't worry, soon enough they are going to take it back.

>>730968749
It's actually much easier to do the work when there isn't some fucking leech profiting over your labour.

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>>730961826

You need to take the basic idea of Communism (workers own the means of production) and instead of having it run by a totalitarian dictatorship, have it run by a confederacy of decentralized local democracies.

Pretty easy.

>>730967677
Don't know where that number came from, the most reasonable estimates are around 3-4 million. 16.5 million is as pretty absurd figure.

>>730968441
we already have this. people running into the cities, and you could tell them to live somewhere else, where housing isn't so expensive. but there are jobs and there is infrastructure, so they wont leave, but pay insane rent. if this would be so easy to build more houses, 30 big cities of the world, including China that is now building 10 new cities around Peking because even them couldn't get People to move.

>>730968681
>Why does Cuba have better health care
It's about quality.Good medical care is extremely expensive,and even rich countries have overloaded medical care systems.

>>730961826
It doesn't work.
And define
>real communism
Also, I just like the idea, it's a nice ideal to strive towards

>>730969072

It would be nice to also remember people that the Holodomor happened because displeased capitalists slaughtered livestock, burned down whole crop fields and destroyed machinery in order to sabotage the Soviet Union just because they were sad to lose their status quo.

>>730968849
Different regions have different causes of starvation.
Sub-Saharan Africa,for example,was a hostile shithole for thousands of years.Cultures appeared and disappeared long before any significant eurofag involvement.

>>730967453
Hey Bill Nye, I'd love to counter that but I don't wanna be arrested.

>>730969828
If you look at the map of the world, everywhere around the Equator nothing really worked for centuries. It takes a moderate climate to realistically build a society. Even the higher temperatures in Italy's south show a sharp difference between the northern industries that make up 65% of GDP. Lots of countries have either too much heath or constantly rain and humidity.

>>730969828

Fucking lold. Ethiopia was a goddamn empire before Europe intervened. Africa is a shithole because of colonialism, denying this is an attestment of retardation.

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One unfortunate by-product of capitalism is the us-vs-them frame of mind foisted on everyone. H. G. Wells pressaged this with his Eloi and Morlocks in The Time Machine.

Under capitalism the Haves are good people and the Have-Nots are dangerous. Haves are allowed to do whatever they want, even diddle little children in group outings, because they are pillars of the community who create jobs for others. The Have-Nots who don't have jobs are ungrateful and mentally unbalanced.

Anytime you force a continuum into two columns you're going to create a lot of consequences that are violent both psychologically and physically. You're also artificially limiting the progress of mankind by restricting leisure to a small minority.

>>730970467

Aaaaahahahahahaha look at this faggot: just by looking at a map he can make assumptions about how weather is a primary factor for civilization to arise. Totally ignoring the fact the CIVILIZATION FIRST STARTED ON THE DESERT.

>>730966856
Nudes?

>>730966910
this. you're dating her. not them.

>>730966844
apples are good for you

>>730967602
Alpha male gorilla tosses your ass out and keeps all the females for himself. There's greed and yet no capitalism or planet ending war waging technology in sight.

I think you are going to have to go further back in evolutionary history to find this ideal society of yours. Perhaps back to worms.

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>>730962853
>Anarcho-socialist

>>730971118

Yes, that's exactly what I said: you are no better than a monkey.

>>730961826
Nothing works. Your point?

>>730963255
fucking kek

Of course it doesn't, are you blind to all of the real world examples?

>>730966856
Got nudes of her?

>>730967423
I like this one.
I like this one a lot.

>>730967423
Edgy

>>730963324
see
>>730966866

The thought seems nice but the dictatorship will never end

>>730963324
>>730962853
>>730972738
Anarcho-Catalonia was crushed by the republic, their government didn't collapse.

>>730973161
ok, but the point I was trying to make is that once the dictatorship is in place it won't relinquish power.

>>730963255
That looks uncomfortably close to myself.

>>730963324
It's almost like humans are social animals and not bees or schools of fish

>>730962853
>>730965217
why cant i hold all these appeals to force

You see comrade communism will succeed in the long run

>>730961826
Would only work if we lived in an utopia where everybody is friends with everyone and there needs to be unlimited resources, but since we don't have either of those things there will be no communism

>>730966856
Nudes of her, please.

>>730962185
kek

>>730975308
gas yourself

>>730961826
OP is right. Communism will never work
>But because of reasons none of you have ever considered.
Protip: it has everything to do with sex.
... and none of you will ever figure it out.
>most of you would not understand even if I explained it to you.

>>730978449
pls explain

>>730979097
This thread will expire before I can explain.

But I shall try.
The soviet system created a 3 tier pay grade. There was the executives, paid the most. Then the engineers, scientists, achitects, etc.. They were paid in the middle. Then there was the lowest paid workers.

>>730979293
The money was supposed to be used as mere markers - for accounting purposes. The average worker was supposed have enough to pay for all basic needs. In fact, there was some argument within the Kremlin whether the top tier was even necessary. But as you can image, this was squashed quickly enough.

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>>730962853
>lost to Franco after 10 months

lo siento hombre blanco

>>730979478
Now a pair of jeans in the soviet union cost only $1. And the soviets paid spies to steal trade secrets from western jean companies. So their jeans were stitched as well as western jeans.

>>730979647
Interesting.. go on

>>730979647
Starting in the early 60s, scientists were already noticing a decline in production. There were plenty of reasons. But the decline was mostly due to every new leader calling for a retooling of the entire industrial complex to suit his own desires. As you know, they went through quite a few leaders - each one having an ego enough that they had to make their mark on the soviet industrial complex. This led to major inefficiencies throughout the system. But this decline was only a part of what was happening. There were ways of handling such declines. They would have survived it.

>>730979984
Now here's what they never imagined. Something that completely blindsided them.

While a perfectly good pair of jeans was only $1, the youth often didn't buy any. Instead they were importing jeans from the west, through the gray or black markets.
These jeans would often be used, tatters, in ANY condition. And they would cost upward to an entire months pay. And yet the soviet youth gladly paid.

>>730979293
You are dead wrong, kid: if you were, for example, a miner who had to put your life at risk you earned more money than engineers did.

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>>730966771
Stormtard lies, as per typical for retards.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

Flush yourself back to /pol/ where losers can blame Jews for why you're losers.

>>730980260
Despite the high prices for black market clothing, the youth would often sacrifice almost everything to get them. Even starving themselves and failing to pay rent. And later, when the soviets outlawed the clothing, often risked jail time to buy these clothes.

Yet, the Soviets never asked why these clothes were so important to their youth. And it was only their young adults...

>>730966856
come on bro. nudes please.

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>>730980502
ask me how i know you're a shill

>>730981060
4th grader detected.

>>730980557
Go on...

>>730980557
At night, you would see clubs filled with young adults - all showing off their western clothing. And this was the key to the fall of the soviet union. While the soviets produced clothes by the thousands, they sat on their shelves and warehouses unbought, unused, while their young adults were throwing every penny they had at western clothing... so they could differentiate themselves at clubs.

Why? Because that's how humans practice our mating rituals. We show wealth, we show style and taste and differentiate ourselves conspicuously. Any system that does not cater to our mating rituals is doomed to fail. The soviets tried to suppress this. And it only led to their young adults taking even more risks, and more expense, to continue the mating rituals.

In the end, over 250 billion rubles left the soviet economy due to the gray and black markets. That was essentially 15% of their entire monetary reserves at the time. In comparison, Goldman Sachs swindled them of a mere 35 billion rubles. And the Reagan Administration called them heroes. They tried to replace the lost rubles, but that only devalued it. They could control costs inside the country, but they could not manage the sagging value externally. This led to a downward spiral of their entire monetary system.

>>730981317
You seriously believing that the soviet union broke because the unstoppable desire of young men in purchasing jeans? please kys

>>730981488
Check'd,
SIEG HEIL MY FUHRER

I'm curious, I want to see what he has to say. Nothing wrong with that.

>>730981428
well, you sure got something right: western mafia sabotaged the soviet union.

>>730981428
Actually, Hitler's right.
see:>>730981488
No way in hell the youths fashion tends destroyed the USSR.

>>730981488
He is somewhat right on a micro-level. Unbelievably over simplified.

More H/D.

>>730962185
Bait (I hope)

>>730981428
To compare, the loss of productivity from 1970 to the first days of Glasnost amounted to 12.5%, according to economic post mortems. The black and gray market accounted for another 15% of economic losses, while their war in Afghanistan cost them a mere 2% of GDP.
As you can see, the black markets were more significant than any other factor. And it was fueled almost entirely by a desire to practice human mating rituals as we have done for hundreds of thousands of years.

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>>730961826

>>730966484
This is one of the best memes I've ever seen

>>730982444
Kek thinks so too

It is the need to differentiate ourselves for our mating rituals that drove people to see out novelty while rejecting perfectly good material at far cheaper prices. This led to a massive loss to their economy - a loss their system was never meant to take. Blindsided, they doubled down on oppression, which only fueled unrest, while their efforts to replace the money crashed their economic system.

Communism relies on efficiencies to work. So when you have egos retooling everything, a production system that does not cater to the human need to practice our mating rituals, and finally, a bunch of ill advised measures to restore the system.... they simply dropped below the efficiency threshold necessary to maintain a communist economic system. And it fell apart, as you saw.

>>730978449
Wow man you're so right
>you're greentext makes you seem so much more intelligent than us

>>730981972
me again-
As soon as I retired at 60, I undertook the study of macro-economics. Public education did not prepare me. I spent a productive life believing what can only be described as dogma.
I would recommend 'the dismal science' to everybody. Half the worlds problems would not exist if 1 semester of macro-economics was mandatory.

>>730965451
blind fold them (shoe laces needed only obviously)

reeducate

>>730961826
gr9 b9 m9

>>730961826
Your gov and isp are spying on your internet activity http://www.vpnprogram.com

>>730961826
Aye fuck you, you bourgeois fucking cuck

>>730983701
"a authoritarian state"

>>730983637
This is the entire Communist argument, neatly summarized.

99% of 21st century communists are failures, people that got bullied, faggots, sjw's, basically just the demographic of people that frequent tumblr

>>730984819
>>730984373
You are both correct