Why is this stupid fucking toy almost nine hundred bucks?

Because idiots would pay that much money for it.

Because it's an instrument and not a toy.

looks like same functionality as a $50 akai lmao. Wtf are those keys though how are you supposed to play that

Personally, I'd spend that on modular, but this is a nice piece of kit

>>730951821
What is it do?

>>730951821
autist piano

>>730951821

it's for people who want to think of themselves as music makers, not for people who actually make music

everyone just uses plugins on a computer now. you can literally do anything you can possibly imagine with a couple of good plugin synths, and a few good kontakt libraries.

this "hardware" meme is a sales tactic for hipsters

>>730952419
You can't beat eurorack. Hardware has its place

>>730951821
This doesn't look like it does anything my old ass MC-307 can't do. And the MC-307 was like $400 17 years ago... It was a mediocre piece of entry level gear 17 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9R9Yl2aNDY

>>730952184
https://youtu.be/EEupFYK9aKg

>>730952184
Teenage Engineering OP-1. YouTube it.

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>not having a modular synth

why are you still living?

Get a 60 dollar condenser learn to play real instrument and record better quality music than professional studios in the 40s it's not that hard

Before any of you autists spend money on this crap, pirate some PC based synthesizer software and see if you enjoy it.

I tried getting into electronic music production years ago. Blew hundreds of dollars on gear, and found out i wasn't really good at it nor did I enjoy it as much as I thought I would.

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Buying one of these isn't a very good idea.
Apparently these things multiply.

>>730952528

I agree that you can't do exactly-the-same-as-modular with plugins at the moment (but it is getting close with the softube and reaktor stuff)

The point is more that, if you know the in-the-box tricks to make your digital music sound "organic" and "analogue", all the marketing suggesting that you NEED all this analogue gear starts to become quite funny

>>730951821
Because you can make bangers on it and get famous:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkQ5rEJaTmk

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>>730951821
>sequencer
>sampler
>on board effects
>color screen
>on board speaker
It a high end hardware sampler. It for the kind of person who doesn't mind spending extra on some flashy hardware. You could find most of the feature on a multitude of different pieces of equipment.
pic related my setup about a month ago. I've since added a MPC 2000xl.

Where can I download a free version of reason 5?

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>>730952202

>>730951944
'instrument'

>>730953330
>reason 5
>reason 9.5 with VST support just announced
>no, I want version 5

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>>730953061
>retards emulating sound from shit samplers in a DAW so they can make it sound more "authentic"
>trash hardware as being useless
>spending all your time trying to emulate that useless gear
You're honestly the worst type of person in music production. Back to FL with you.

>>730951821

Small company, large overhead, specialized design, limited run.

>what is economics?

it's not a piece of shit. It's a cool thing.

>>730953565
>Thinking FL is bad.

If you know what you're doing, you're good to go.

Prove me wrong.
>you can't

>>730953330

reason 4 was the last version anyone ever bought. no one even bothers to pirate the newer versions.

>>730953552
I can do anything with a maelstrom, subtractor, and thor that any plugin claims to do

>>730952676
Holy hell

>>730953061

exactly "oooh analog doesn't cutoff right at 22khz" well okay just use a higher samp rate "oh well analog has such warmth" dude use ozone exciter or a nice saturator plugin do you really think you damaged ass 30yr old faggot ears are even gonna notice the difference? "but muh oscilaltor drift" dude fucking random lfo on the pitch jesus christ

>>730951821
It has a wide array of really nice sounds

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>>730953565
You sound like one of those piece of shit high school band teachers from the fifties whining about electrically amplified instruments not being "real."

An instrument is something that makes noise. Whether or not you've heard any noise you like is not the fault of the instrument or the musician.

>>730953150
Dat old Pioneer CDJ500 doe. does it still work?

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>>730953916
there's more, DSI Prophet 08 and a Korg MS2000 plus an Arturia Beatstep Pro

>>730953952

does it have fm? granular? It looks like a shitty rompler to me that also features a iphone app level synth dsp

>>730951821
It's not that much. I just bought a $2,500 guitar.

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>>730954169
chaka chaka chaka chaka chan

>>730954169
It's almost like they planned to price it what people expect to pay for an instrument, and not what it's actually worth.

>>730953565
>retards emulating sound from shit samplers in a DAW

nigga u just described dj snake plus shitty dj mixer effects in recreated in daw

>>730954068
Link something produced from that please

>>730954087
You do a lot of granular?

what is optimal for making music?
i would assume you could do everything you want with good software, and a small midi keyboard.
Costs:
Pirated software - Free
MIDI keyboard - Under 200$

>>730951821
i wonder if selling overpriced beep-boopers to stupid college kids with delusions of dj grandeur is a good business move

>>730954317

yea but not in the sense like soundscapes and stuff just granular by definition, very large grains up to 1/64 or 1/32 or even 1/16 divisions. I love that one that come with reason I don't know the name malstrom I think, best digital synth I've ever used for weird dark morphing ambient koan soundish mid scooped shit

>>730953330
i saw reason on the pirate bay, not sure which version

>>730954268
You won't like it unless you enjoy long self-indulgent modular synth noises. It doesn't do music that you'd sing in the shower.

>>730954383
no amount of expensive doohickeys can take the place of talent

>>730952676
>>not having a modular synth

I'll reconsider my life because I want an instrument I can bring over to my friends house without a U-Haul

>>730953998
What are you on about I have like 3k in hardware. I just find it funny how people say hardware is useless and yet they run all their sound through some plugin to make it sound shitty just like some old 12 bit sampler. Then in the same breath will tell you that hardware is useless, if that's true then why does everyone in the industry try to emulate them?
>>730954052
Yea I use it sometimes for it's Isolator. It's has a really good one that not many people know about. I bought it for like $50.

>>730954549
Agreed. i would say only spend money on more instruments if its money made from music. eg. if you are a name brand producer, go for it.

Also to any faggots on here trying to justify buying expensive shit, DeadMau5 made all his early music with FrootyLoops.

What do they get for a number one hit $$$$?
>>730951821 (OP)

>>730954680
>I want an instrument I can bring over to my friends house without a U-Haul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5e0TVUC_ko

then you can eat some soup afterwords

>>730954548
It's more out of curiosity than wanting to hear music. I just want to hear what comes out of all that.

>>730951821
$800 on ebay

>>730954253
It's gonna be rad. I bought it from Carvin/Kiesel guitars custom shop. Neck thru model, multiscaled, 7 strings, Walnut body and neck, with 2 purpleheart stripes down the neck and a purpleheart body/headstock top, with a Zebrawood fingerboard. It's gonna be sexy as fuck dude.

Honestly when it comes to keyboards you're probably right. With a guitar or drum or anything made out of wood, it is easy to estimate the value of the instrument. Half of it is paying for the parts and the other half is the time/labor.

With a keyboard... you're just paying for specially designed buttons and the shell and the hardware inside, which isn't too fancy.

>>730954950
k then, this is three of the modules triggered from the Pressure Points CV sequencer through a voltage quantizer

https://youtu.be/xFWhh3WuHpk?list=PLvqzf5WoIekglwsGR2svfnJLH-CjJshj8

>>730954919
You might be onto something with that spoon. Would you let it go for $850? Could you include a can of soup for that price?

>>730955114
$850 brand new. Might as well spend a little extra, you're not really saving anything buying it used.

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>>730955128
yui is sexy

>>730955201
He actually linked something, the madman!

I liked it. Sounds like Kraftwerk.

>>730954910
>DeadMau5 made all his early music with FrootyLoops.
So? He is a shitty edm producer who's only appeal is to drugged out teenage dude bros. He takes sample packs and throws them together and then shits out a song. It's like being impressed with Martin Garrix who literally just arranges vengeance sample in FL and plays it to venues full of ecstasy riddled teenagers.

>>730952011
An akai is a midi controller, this is a synthesizer. those "keys" are a sequencer.

>>730955622

have you seen how much hardware the man has?

>>730955622
Name some good EDM, then. Or is it easier to dismiss an entire genre?

>>730955788

DONT DO IT! it's a normie baiting you for your dank fedora knowledge

>>730953565
I fucking hate Penn Jillette

>>730955957

he hates you fucker

>>730954068
where has all that bullshit got you Anon?

>>730955562
It's an incredible thing to stand in front of and use. The instant control you have over tiny aspects of the sound is incredible. And it can make noises no digital synth is capable of, things like using audio frequency square waves as a clock to trigger a sequencer simply can't be reproduced on digital synths. The big drawback is that it never makes the same noise twice, you spent ages setting up a patch, record it, tweak a couple of knobs then it's gone forever.

>>730956063
He probably does, he puts alot of effort into being an edge lord like you

>>730956068

>implying it's even a lot

my desk looked like that in 2009

>>730955788
>Name some good EDM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w15oWDh02K4

>>730956068
It's got me a thing I've wanted since I was about 14 years old, a big analog modular synth. It's fun. It's got me fun.

>>730956122

then why does everything sequeuced on it sound like I'm at santas workshop in outer space?

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>>730951821
I really like the idea of these, maybe I'll get it 2nd hand one day.
For now this cheap-ass thing fills my needs though.

>>730956136
your wife/mother/wifemother must love the mess

>>730956287
Other modular synth users look down on me for using actual musical notes instead of just creating random noises. You can't please everyone.

>>730956249
I don't dig it. Have some Burial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k_f2QK77ew

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Speaking of portable music thingies, whatever happened to the tenori-on? Used to think it was wicked when it came out, although now it looks kinda dated.

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>>730956357
Dont.
Buy an Es-1 for a $100 and never go back. Volcas are trash.

>>730956486

is it a hobby of making noise like a nerd or are you a musician trying to create good music becasue I'm gonna be honest and say everything made on analog/modular/eurorack/daisychain hardware set-ups sounds like the exact same bullshit beeo boop beep over and over with no good rhythm or anything because you can't even change the rhythm worth a shit in step sequencers or it's just some droning noise for 10:00 min.

>>730956625
$900 dollar gimmic midi controller.
In all honesty it more of a piece of art then an actual good midi controller. You would be better off with notation launch pad for a $100 though

>>730956797
I'm sure some day someone will compose a piece of music that everyone in the world likes but I'm not holding my breath.

>>730956625
You can't expect Japanese tech fads to stay in production for much more than three years

>>730954549
>no amount of expensive doohickeys can take the place of talent
This

Look at what somebody like Reggie Watts can do with just a couple simple devices that do nothing more than loop his own voice.

Music is 99% talent. Unless you want to be a mainstream music star, that's totally different.

Reggie Watts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXyHf_SpUUI

>>730952609
but... 600 bucks????

>>730957046

They did it's called happy birthday song >:)

Thinking you can make any decent music on a daw when you could by a modwall and sound like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbLt0S0W5jE

>>730956249
Jesus Christ, why'd you choose that ancient piece of crudely produced dance pop? Just because it's a catchy tune?

>>730956705
>Dont.
Too late, I had it for a while now.
Never really looked into the Electribes tbh, just wanted something to replace the ole 505 and it does that pretty nicely.

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>>730957257
I fucking hate that!

>>730956249
Basshunter is god
I love the melodies and basslines in his music. Every one is so original.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3CxhBIrBho

>>730957232
it's not really a bang for buck piece of equipment. It's for cunts who like small boutique hardware.

>>730956797
vsnares did some pretty nifty all-modular stuff though I'm pretty certain he sequences it all from a computer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toZDhQzImyw

>>730957495
Infected Mushroom Drum n Bassa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvKf1anduFA

>>730957257
Hey Deadmau5 can play marry had a little lamb...

At 30:30 in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mBa6_mwHq0

>>730957337
and then you have to do a bandcamp funding drive because you're broke from buying so much modular gear lel

>>730951821
Because EDM producing mouthbreathers will pay that much

>>730957614
Tim?

>>730957614
ooh, hello new band. Thank you!

>>730957797
Chris?

>>730957747

thats old mcdonald had a farm autist

>>730957337
>>730957614
Looks as though we had the same idea anon. I salute you for such impeccable taste.

see I knew it sometimes you guys make me feel like IM the retard with the stupid opinion but then you show me shit like this and I know I'm right

>>730957843
Close, but no cigar. Ben

>>730957870
Nevermind, that makes it totally cool

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>>730951944
This is a picture of an actual MUSICIAN holding an INSTRUMENT. The picture from OP is a glorified computer keyboard for millennial faggots like yourself, so you can contribute more autistic noise to the internet. You WILL NEVER BE A MUSICIAN, so kindly fuck off and die, faggot.

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>>730952676
Hey man, you some kind oldschool telephone switchboard operator?
Like you're on the line and you've got a nasally New Yawk accent like:
"Hard sync'd sawtooth? Patch ya right through!"

>>730953729
>Small company, large overhead, specialized design, limited run.

This.

It's a bummer though, because if it was a product for the masses, rather than just musicians, it could be $129.

>>730958154

>tfw having to do things like this actually made people proficient at things now everyone is just a worthless fatass that can barely drive

>>730958154
In the computer museum at my uni there's an analog computer thing that looks just like a modular wall, it can do integrals and derivations and simple physics stuff. I bet you could do some wild shit if you hooked a speaker to it.

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>>730953998
An instrument, you fucking faggot, is stringed drums, bass, brass, woodwind, and/or piano where the complex placement of fingers/and or lip movements into a reed create sounds at frequencies which translate into notes that are used to construct chords, melodies and songs. The picture you posted is of a COMPUTER which, while can manipulate frequency to create sounds, requires no talent to do so whatsoever.....you ARE NOT A MUSICIAN NOR WILL YOU EVER BE. FUCK OFF AND DIE.

>>730958250
Well the mainstream equivalent of that is a bunch of synth apps on an ipad.

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I miss the good old days...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgYJjCgZoJA

>>730957988
>>730958405
bait harder m8

>>730952609
I fucking love Red Means Recording, even though I suck at piano, and don't have the money for a midi keyboard, I love watching all of his videos.

>>730951821
watch RedMeansRecording youtube channel, and you'll understand why this shit is expansive.
Buy it and you won't need a DAW anymore, you could even work without any other instrument at all
Oh, and watch out the Pocket Operators series
They are really cheap drum machines and synth
And the OP-Z

>>730958480
FUCK OFF AND DIE FUCK OFF AND DIE PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON WE HAVE FYRE FEST.....YOU ARE NOT MUSICIANS, YOU ARE FUCKING AUTISTIC FAGGOTS.

>>730958365
Analog synths are physically altering the electric signal with analog components. Hence why they are called "analog".

A computer is digital and the signal only turns into actual sound waves once it is finally emitted by the digital to audio converter hardware.

Computers and analog synths are fundamentally different in how they generate their sounds. Just because it has a bunch of wires and is huge doesn't make it analog.

>>730957988
this is not an instrument
It's a shit tier sound producing wooden thing, that can only sound good with a $2000 amp and distortion.
Real music is made with a piano and violins faggot

In like 10 years, people are gonna be able to produce music by just translating their brainwaves or something. Totally hands free, and then all the DAW soft synth people are gonna be like "what happened to the real music? What happened to turning virtual knobs and MIDI and shit??"

>>730958575
>YOU ARE FUCKING AUTISTIC FAGGOTS.
Well obviously, do you know where you are?

>>730954068
> MS2000
> KRKs

My man

>>730952822
this shit is cool as hell
But too fucking expensive
I can have fun with my monotribes anyways

>>730958660
The thing I'm talking about is actually an analog computer though, made of discrete components.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_computer#Electronic_analog_computers

>>730954383
I can assume you could do whatever you want with stolen instruments too
Stolen instruments - Free

Your logic is bad, even if pirating is easier

>>730952034

yeah you could get an oscillator and half a filter.

>>730956705
no buy pocket operator those are really great and you can mod them too

>>730954680

>having friends

you're not yet a true synthesist.

Why do you think electronic musicians are always solo acts?

>>730958154
oh, the telephone operator gag

yeah, not heard that one before

you are genuinely the first person ever to say that

well done there

>>730958901
Still working with digital signals. It is operating in binary using analog components. Still binary.

>>730954548

It makes whatever kind of music you want. LCD sound system uses a modular.

>>730959255
No really, it works with continuous values, go read the wiki article if u don't believe me.
This is the specific thing I'm talking about
https://ub.fnwi.uva.nl/computermuseum/eai.html

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>>730954268

I used a modular and some other gear to produce all these songs

soundcloud.com/hexeract

>>730959480
What modules do you have in the modular?

>>730958575
you forgot the "reeeee" part

>>730959450
I don't think being analog or digital would be a reason to make or to not make sound.
If you just know what sound is, it's a quick variation of air pressure, and to produce sound with electrical gear, you must have quick variations of voltage.
So if you can do shit like create a function made out of sines, and taking the output to go through a speaker, there's a slight chance you could hear something, but it all depends on how the data is encoded.
You could also patch it randomly and hear noises, I think that could be possible, but you could break the computer and the speakers
And it wouldn't be music, it would just be random noises

>>730958405
An instrument makes noise. Your hands. Your vocal chords. The tone a running sink makes because the pipes are shitty. The wind.

Every genre of music is FULL of garbage. Derivative noise not worth listening to. Crap country music. Cheesy hair metal. Pretentious 70s prog-rock. Snobbish classical. Egotistical and materialistic gangsta-rap. Weak shoegaze. Poser goth. Simplistic grunge. Repetitive EDM.

An instrument does not make music worth or not worth listening to.

It is not a musician's or an instrument's responsibility to play good music for you.

It's your goddamn responsibility to get off your ass and find something you like.

Quit whining about the shit music in the world. We're all well aware it exists.

>>730959450
You should tell what modules you're using in your tracks
Maybe create a YT channel also ?
I find modular interesting, but the only things I can find when researching about it, are people making bleeps and bloops with $2000 of gear

>>730958671
I've listened to fantastic fucking drummers play with plastic buckets. The price you pay for your noisemaker is meaningless.

>>730959922
This

That's what I was saying. Analog instruments are altering the actual electric currents that would move speakers in a way that produces specific sound waves.

Digital instruments are just altering computer code and binary signals to create a mathmatical solution. When that final solution is sent to a specific component that component then turns it into a fluctuating electric current that would move a speaker.

It's why most digital instruments can't quite simlulate that "war" "organic" sound of analog. It's hard to define through computer code what happens to electricity inside a specific device.


I'm not saying analog is "better", it is just inherently different in how the sound is made.

Lul /b talking shit about music equipment lul

>>730960166
↑ Truth.

>>730960352
ok, I must tell you one thing
Half of what you are saying is pure bullshit

> Analog instruments are altering the actual electric currents that would move speakers in a way that produces specific sound waves.

Yes that is true, and the signal produced is analog, because it goes through every possible value of intensity and not discrete values.
But your signal can be polluted with static noise, or your amps could alter you signal too

>Digital instruments are just altering computer code and binary signals to create a mathmatical solution.

Yes but Analog instrument are just altering an electric intensity to shape it like a mathematical function. The only difference is that you're working with discrete values, but, we're now able to go with values fine enough you couldn't hear the difference when a simulation is good enough

>It's why most digital instruments can't quite simlulate that "war" "organic" sound of analog

False, just listen to the last Justice album, it's all VST, and look at Arturia's VSTs (Arturia is an analog synth company)
Also, as analog is just equations, it's super easy for a computer to understand what's going on

And one last point
You're talking about DIGITAL / ANALOG
BUT, when talking about analog, you're talking about subractive synthesis, but with digital, you can use samples, FM etc .....
So basically Digital sounds better than analog in general.

I'm telling you this, and I only own one digital synth, all of my gear is analog, because I prefer analog, it's a question of taste, and how you feel it, and I prefer playing with analog.

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Is this worth $800?

Or is $800 better spent somewhere else?