Agree or disagree? General addiction thread

it's not a question of agreeing or disagreeing. she's straight up fucking wrong in the first sentence

it would have made sense if she'd said "taking drugs is a choce, addiction isn't"

>>730742886
I know she's wrong. I just didn't want to put my opinion on it in the original post.

t. someone who's never been in the position they berate

Drug addiction is a disease you give yourself on purpose.

>>730744191
You're a fucking moron

>>730744391
hes not wrong

>>730744176
so someone who isnt stupid enough to cause themselves a problem cant talk about the problem?

>>730744648
He's*

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>>730744939
nigga

>>730744648
And you don't give it to yourself on purpose. You're just trying to be "kewl" and edgy so internet strangers will think you're bad ass.

>>730742784
By definition it's not a disease, and yes it\s a choice to take hard drugs, but sometimes a little sympathy for addicts goes a long way. They shouldn't be shunned.

Addiction is not a choice, your addicted to those drugs before you take them. You're predisposed to be addicted if you take those drugs so addiction is not a choice buy acting upon those addictions is. Doing cocaine is a choice being addicted is not

Well, science has shown that some people (or peoples) are more neurologically wired towards having addictive tendencies, like native Americans and alcohol for example, or one of my friends families and gambling.

That being said, drugs are awesome, and I would strongly recommend doing them.

>>730744862
life problems aren't exclusively the result of stupidity

>>730742784
It's a bit all over the place, but I guess the bottom line is that drug addiction isn't a disease, which is correct.
Just like obesity.

>>730742784
I completely agree about the drugs. Care nothing about the America part as I'm not one.

>>730745646
I don't totally agree with you but that obesity part made me laugh.

>>730746085
I wish I wasn't an American.

>>730745525
Right, life problems arent.

But choosing problems are a fucking choice.

Life just happens, weather a tree falls in your house, you get on a wreck that is not by your fault. You having an accident or someone in your family dying.

Making conscious decisions that lead you to problems is your choice.

>>730742784

Saying someone is an "addict" is simply a ploy to dodge culpability.

Saying someone is a fiend is far more accurate.

>>730746975
You're probably the type of person who tries to justify pedophilia as well.

>>730742784
People who have addictions have them because they have major mental issues. It's not a disease, but it's more than "not enough willpower". They need to address the issues that lead to the addictions. 9 out of 10 times a competent psychologist is needed.

>>730743250
That isn't an opinion, but a fact. She's absolutely objectively wrong.

>>730742784
I agree. I don't know what kind of idiots get hooked on drugs. I have smoked heroin every weekend for some months, and I'm not remotely addicted to it. It's an ok high, but I actually prefer weed. People who have addictive personalities just need to lay off the hard stuff.

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>>730742784
wrong.

>taking drugs is a choice
>becoming addicted isn't a choice
>that's what a fucking addiction is

however, this only applies to chemical addictions. addiction to things that aren't chemical are your own fault. to be fair, addiction in general is the users fault. it's not a choice, but that person is still at fault.

>>730747562
I'm not saying that an addict is without blame. Yeah they chose to take the drug. And like you said chemical addiction is real. People who say that addiction itself is just low will power are just dumb.

>>730747170

I have had pedophobia since I myself was a child.

>>730742784
Being an insufferable cunt is a choice, too. But you don't see me whining about it on Facebook.

>>730746914

Dude, read a fucking book. You sound literally retarded.

>>730742784
A long time ago I would have agreed. I definitely have made some bad decisions that have led to where I am now. I really want to stop. It's killing me.

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>>730747843
also take into account personality type. some people have an addictive personality and some people don't.

>>730747843
Yeah... it's far beyond will power. After awhile will power has nothing to do with it

>>730748332
clearly, you speak from personal experience

>>730748755
Unfortunately. The shame and guilt and fear is constant and overwhelming.

So many people in this thread trying to escape responsibility for their life choices, sad.

Functional alcoholic here. Yes it is a fucking choice. And it is a matter will power. I choose to drink a pint and a half of vodka a night. Do I want to? No. Do I like the buzz? Yes. So now it's a matter of physical addiction. If I want to quit I know how. Wean down. If I'm going to completely quit. Swear it off make amends with people I've hurt. And never drink again. It's not any different with drugs

addicted to smoking and drinking and have accepted the fact that I'm a total piece of shit waste of food and people like me should be used for fertilizer. I get it.

>>730748332
I said that people saying it has to do with will power we're wrong so ok? I'm an addict that's still in early recovery

>>730748755
Not him, but to illustrate; imagine you have to do 50 pushups several times a day for 2 weeks, and at random times after the 2 weeks, but you can stop anytime you want. You know logically that this will benefit you, but how likely is it you can pull through the entire thing? When you are addicted, not returning to the substance is a constant thing, it's always on your mind. Yes willpower can get you through it but the hard part is maintaining your willpower consistently at its peak throughout weeks of cravings.

>>730749035
I'm functioning as well. However besides work, the entirety of my free time is spent drinking or recovering from drinking. Usual session is about twelve beers or more.

>>730749101
I know... I was agreeing with your post, not questioning it or arguing. Congratulations on your sobriety too. I hope I can gather the courage and take that first step.. again. For the third time in my life.
God I've fucked myself up.

Sometimes it isn't a choice. A buddy of mine got hit by a drunk driver. Totalled his car and really fucked up his legs, broke am arm, and cracked a few ribs. Of course, they had to put him on oxycotin while he healed. And fuck, I have been on some lighter ones than he did and I can see how people can get addicted. Sadly, he got pretty hooked on them for a while. Even went to jail for forging a prescription. Only now is he recovering from it.

Addicts are people too.

>>730742784
While I do believe that addiction is a psychological disorder, the circumstances leading to it are generally choices made by the addict. I'm not personally prone to physical drug addiction, they generally don't do much for me, and I can use and then stop for very extensive periods without craving or much withdrawal. Gambling though, I can't go into a casino or I will be out all of my money within a couple hours. If I go into a gas station and there's someone buying scratch offs, I will probably spend all my cash on tickets instead of gas or groceries. I am getting better, but I feel so weak.

>>730749233
Alcoholic here,

This very much so. I can go the whole week without drinking or even thinking about drinking. The moment the commute and some shit going wrong with the car or other shit stresses me out? Instantly want alcohol.

I'll be driving home on a Friday afternoon fighting with myself about drinking. I always lose and end up drinking. Being tired on top of that usually makes for a sloppy regrettable time, yet I repeat this fucking cycle on a weekly basis. It's insanity.

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>>730745392

I see it as a disease in that it will get worse if not treated.

t. recovering alcoholic

>>730749349
This is definitely problem drinking but you'd be absolutely shocked at the amount of people who do the exact same thing and don't even think for a moment that they might have an issue. Alcoholism and addiction is such a tricky bitch. It keeps you in denial. Good for you for recognizing it at the very least anon.

>>730744191
I would say that addiction born out of ignorance rather than deliberation. When an addict tried a drug for the first time, they didn't know what would happen. They were just stupid enough to think that basic biological principles wouldn't apply to their body.

I don't agree that addiction is a choice, but I have no respect for anyone who gets hooked on drugs nonetheless.

>>730745392
You're right when you say that often addicts are genetically predisposed to general addiction, but I wasn't born a heroin addict. It was whatever substance I happened to put in my body the most and unfortunately opiates and alcohol happen to be those for me.

>>730749655
Thanks anon. Yeah I realize it for sure. It's obviously impacting my life. I never go on dates or do normal shit normal people do. I sit on the computer and get drunk alone. It's already caused stomach ulcers.

Feel like there's some self-medicating factor to my alcohol consumption, as well.

>>730749497
Do you think the doctor was at fault for giving him too large of a prescription or it was just an unfortunate reaction between his body and the drug?

As an ex addict she is a fucktard.

>>730750159
I understand. Everything I do is planned around pills and alcohol as well. I'm afraid to even know the damage I've done to myself physically. Psychologically I'm in ruin. The guilt is so bad I just want to reach out to the nearest person and tell them everything. But at the same time I don't want anything to get in the way of my addiction.

She's running her mouth about shit for no other reason than to say "look, I have an opinion! I'm important!".

The tough love thing is absolutely right though. The world needs more of that.

>>730750655
>The guilt is so bad I just want to reach out to the nearest person and tell them everything. But at the same time I don't want anything to get in the way of my addiction.
See a therapist; that's what they're there for. You don't have to go through it alone, and you've already made the first step by recognizing the problem.

>>730750406
It's the drug. The power that opiates have over the human mind is incredible. They can bring even the strongest, bravest men to their knees. I've seen it many times and experienced it, even though I'm far from being the strongest or bravest. Unfortunately though, someone who ends up in that kind of an accident is going to need severe pain management and opioids are the most effective form of treatment for those kinds of intensive injuries.

>>730751051
I miss Valium

>>730751190
I feel ya. More of a Klonopin kinda guy as far as benzos go but I'd take the shit out of some Valium.

>>730742784
Only about 10% of people who try any given drug, including cocaine, heroin, and alcohol, actually become addicted to it. These people have the genetic predisposition to addiction, which is heavily based in science over decades of research. While the initial choice to try alcohol or a drug is indeed a choice, becoming addicted to said drug/alcohol is not.

It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing - her opinion is factually incorrect.

>>730742784
Addiction is called disease to justify relapses. And also to big Pharma can prescribe methadone or suboxin to keep them feeling good and make them a customer for life. To get off pills or dope, I took Kratom an all natural herb now in the process of becoming illegal because of big pharma not liking some leaf is cutting into their busness. Big pharm is what u should be talking about. Not the people who get addicted and then stay addicted while pharma makes them think they are getting better when they are not. If u do dope or oxy you will withdrawal .... If you get prescribed methadone or subox, you will withdrawal. If you take kratom for a month you WILL NOT WITHDRAWAL.

>>730751274
Doc got me so hooked on them to deal with booze withdrawal. After he cut me off I went on a two year bender.

The Norris here will never know

>>730745494
That's what everyone says initially. After several years it's not quite as awesome.

Though, I suppose if you manage to remain solely an occasional recreational user, then perhaps you could still consider them awesome. It's just incredibly unlikely for that to happen. Also, if you have any alcoholism or addiction in your family, you shouldn't try them.

>>730751051
Sorry about your friend. It's interesting to me because I was put on oxy earlier this year for a couple weeks, and never really felt any craving or understood why people would get addicted to it, although I've always heard how nasty they can be.

>>730751397
Kratom is a miracle for sure but man from experience my habit has gotten so bad sometimes that kratom wouldn't touch it.

>>730751444
Normies*

>>730742784

these things illustrate the fact human beings are basicaly biomechanoids that dont come with a conscious unified self by default

people base a fuckton of assumptions and presuppositions on the idea humans normaly 'chose' this or that

but thats wrong, that implyes a level of integration and development that most adults dont reach let alone teens or kids

>>730750655
Right there with you, anon. I can't look at my stool because it's strained with blood and I know it. I don't care about myself enough to let that be the reason to stop.

I am completely mentally deranged at this point. Psychically broken. Drink because unhappiness and unhappy because of drinking. I HATE that fucking guilt feeling.

Hope the best for you, anon. Hopefully we both end up getting the help we need.

>>730751484
Oh I wasn't even the poster talking about his friend. I'm just an addict chiming in. You're lucky. A lot of people don't get bit by the opiate bug and don't see what the big deal is, can take a few percocets and then when the pain goes away just forget about the bottle and leave them alone. Those of us who have that magical "a ha!" Moment with opiates, it's the only thing we want to feel for the rest of our lives. I never want to leave that state when I'm in it. And when it goes away I'm lonely and scared again. Oxycodone, heroin, it doesn't matte. They make me feel like superman. My house could burn down around me and I wouldn't even care as long as I'm high.

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>>730742784

https://youtu.be/ao8L-0nSYzg

This is a pretty good video explaining the real issue of drug addiction.

>>730742784
disagree because in societies where they changed their stance on drugs the using went down.

>>730751803
I will keep you in my thoughts man. I know exactly what you mean. I use because I'm unhappy and I'm more unhappy because of my use. I think that people like us can come out on the other end alright. It's for sure life experience that normies will never know or understand.

>>730751833
>Oxycodone, heroin, it doesn't matte.
Have you tried Krylon?

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>>730742784
Disagree solely because of normalfag statement at beginning

>>730751833
>A lot of people don't get bit by the opiate bug and don't see what the big deal is, can take a few percocets and then when the pain goes away just forget about the bottle and leave them alone. Those of us who have that magical "a ha!" Moment with opiates, it's the only thing we want to feel for the rest of our lives.

This is what people don't ounderstand about addiction - and you can replace "opiate" with literally any addictive drug. If the brain is receptive to it via genetic predisposition, you will become addicted to it. It is a disease by definition. There are dozens if not hundreds of peer reviewed scientific studies backing this up. It's not an opinion.

t. therapistfag, LCSW, CAADC

>>730752133
>krylon
Like, spray paint? No, no I haven't. I don't think it would help much with my opiate cravings, anon.

>>730750863
You should add that they shouldn't be afraid to see another therapist if they don't like the one they go to initially. Not all therapists are the same. Even if they're qualified, it doesn't mean they're good at what they do. You should be prepared to try seeing a different therapist if things don't work out with your current one.

A lot of people try it once and quit because their therapist is a bad fit.

>>730751833
I'm not as deep as you but I was taking pills daily for 3 years and in November I weened myself off now I'm to the point where I take them 3 days a week.

as long as I know I can go a day without them I'm not worried if I never get them again.

>>730744391
*your

I have been taking oxy for 10 years. After ten years I took my first shot of heroin. I crashed in 8 months. I OD 2 time. 2 second tom my son found me and got help. Yeah just like the guy in shameless. No joke. They put me on subs and I told them I don't want 18mg a day just give me 2mg. Doc looked at me like I was crazy. Took my subs for a month but would stretch the scrip by skipping doses by one or 2 days. I weined myself off that shit and smoked a ton of weed. I dont like the high from weed but it would make withdrawal tolerable . I stopped smoking weed when the packers lost in the playoffs. Now I'm all good kinda. KRATOM is the key to this type of addiction and its cheap an OZ of powder is 12 bucks and that's about 10 doses ... Make some tea and your straite. But dumb ass wisconsin made kratom illegal because of that fake weed shit k2 (the devil) and bath salts in some synthetic drug bill. Only thing is kratom is not synthetic its a fucking herb. They ever compaired it to fucking bath salts. Fucking dumb asses. Sorry for my language but I get heated when there are SAFER MORE EFFECTIVE WAYs to fight addiction but PHARMA wants to cuck block them all for their wallets to get fat.

>>730752411
probably a troll but YOU'RE a fucking retard.

>>730746914
Circumstance. Some people will be born into safe guarded community who ward off drugs and keep there children safe. others will grow up in poverty stricken places, shit parents and be way more susceptible to the influence of narcotic. But hey lets take sociological advice from a fucking preteen on Facebook

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>>730752105
It's a hard knock life. I'd say we'll come out much tougher and with the ability to survive in the end. Gotta take some pride in that.

>>730749879
How long you been on heroin? Me-almost 20 years. Still love it.

>>730752390
Hey man good for you. I mean you also have to understand that there is a difference between maybe having a drug problem, and being a full blown addict.

>>730752808
Opiates in general about 7 years. Heroin on and off throughout that time. Whatever I can get my hands on. Round here oxy and dilaudid are king.

>>730752527
Not a troll, just thought with the context of what was being said it might spawn a chuckle or two. But it went from me chuckling at the thought of a few others having a chuckle to me outright laughing at you, you fucking wiener

>>730752487
Glad you're doing better, Anon. Your anger is understandable.

>>730742784
I have a joint in my pocket when I walk around to light up and blow in the face of people walk up and say shit like this

>>730752527
Start sentences with a capital letter

>>730742784
OMG lyk THIS so MUCH you guys

>>730752487
Yeah they illegalized the active alkaloids in kratom. Kratom is so benign and so helpful and gentle. It's really a shame that it's banned where you live. It could save so many lives. And it has. It's pulled me out a few times but I always go back because, well, I'm a stupid junkie. Not the Kratoms fault. It helped as much as it could. I was just stupid and didn't follow through with my commitment to sobriety.

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>>730742784
Being a fatass is a choice. It is not a disease. Before you stuck that saturated fat in your arteries or popped those cupcakes in your mouth you were not a fatass. You created a habit that became habitual and now you're dependent on the sugar. Morbid obesity is a choice, allowing fatties to believe it's a disease only enables them and gives them an excuse to feel sorry for themselves and continue doing what they're doing. You don't have a disease, you have a weak mind. You have no self control, all you have is your food. I don't feel a bit sorry for any of you. Tough love is going to make America great again.

>>730742886
/thread

>>730752064
And using also went down in countries like Cambodia and the Phillipines when anyone caught with drugs got shot in the head. Correlation does not equal causation. Hippie faggot.

Addiction is for pussies and gays
just have a big snort bitch

>>730742886
This.

>>730752982
Thank you its just fucked up. I went to drug court and they suggested I go to therapy, i told them why its only 20% effective, then I said can I take ibogaine it has an 80% success rate and it a one time flood dose. They didnt even know what it was. I ended up getting kicked out because my drops would be positive for thc and I would justify it by telling them I don't even like the high it give me but I dont want to be addicted to methadone and subs. I asked them do u want me keep being an addict if I take subs or methadone? Do u have any idea what this shit really is? Its a pay check for pharmacy! that's not progress its just supplementing. Ur not changing shit by suggesting people take these drugs

>>730746212
Then leave faggot, its getting crowded anyways.

>>730753838
Man I get your frustration but I'm about to slap on the ol liquid handcuffs myself. I guess I'm okay with substituting methadone for all of the other shit I put in my body. As long as it's something and keeps me out of trouble legally.

>>730747229
That is true but at the same time genetics do play a factor in your addiction. My dad was an alcoholic, his dad was too, his dad before him was a heavy drinker. It goes far back, it runs in the family so when I drink I have to be careful not to binge or alcoholism could have an influence on me, I'd like to believe it'll never catch me and history won't repeat itself, but you never know.

>>730742784
>Make America great again

It was great when? This person sounds like an autist who never has experienced substance use.

>>730745347
Exactly. And it depends on your definition of disease I guess. I the case of say, alcohol the withdrawal can be lethal

>>730754172
I understand I'm not saying its methadone is bad. But methadone programs are shit here in Wisconsin. No one need their dose to be at 250mg. They start you low like 30 or 50mg and tell u there going to raise your dose so you keep coming back. I can take 10mg of methadone and be good for 2 or 3 days off that one dose. Its just a fuck story. Methadone is not bad its just now managed for max profit. They want you to be a lifer on that medication same with subs

>>730754376
Addiction has a strong link to high IQ, so at least there's that

>>730754829
I'm drooling thinking about 240 mg of done right now.

>>730754829
OR you could just not be a massive fucking pussy and kick. Be sick as shit for 5-7 days and get the fuck over it.

>>730754598
Look at the picture, its a basic ass bitch that loves starbucks as much as she loves cocks. Of course she doesn't know what its like. She doesn't know why or how people get into that regiment. She doesn't understand that it takes a hold of your life and that even if you want out you feel trapped and can't get out. No its not a disease, it becomes more, it becomes a lifestyle choice that you didn't choose. All you really want is someone to help, not to feel sorry for you or to feel shunned. That doesn't help anyone, it makes you subhuman to others and far less likely to get that push you need.

Addiction is definitely a choice. It's a harsh truth, but she's right. Some individuals are predisposed to it, but that doesn't mean the steps leading up to the addiction aren't entirely within your control.

-t. Former addictfag.

>>730755021
I'm the smartest asshole ever I aggre. I noticed oxy made me just as smart and a little less sarcastic. Without it I'm now a sarcastic asshole all the time. But very smart to the point the courts didn't want to deal with be because I would throw numbers in their face backed up with scientific proof, printed out and handed to them to read. They couldnt run me like there other sheep.

>>730755021
I'd like to believe that.

>>730750406
>>730751484

Original poster, sorry I left to do some stuff

And its like >>730751051said, it's both the drug and my bud's body chemistry. He got clean, but it was pretty rough on him for a while. Worst part is he was far from the stereotype. Great guy, crazy smart too. Had nearly a full scholarship for my college's engineering program, shame he lost it.

>>730755399
Whatever makes you feel better about your personal story, man.

5 years clean off everything here. Addiction is definitely not a choice. You're confusing the steps leading up to it with the disease itself. No one "chooses" to become an addict.

>>730755261
God damn you hit the nail on the head. Even though for some reason it is medically accepted as a disease now. Don't agree with it but hey. Also, I'm an addict.

>>730755083
Lol me too shit I would be nodding and enjoy it. But nobody cares about the success rate of it they just want to give u more and more and more. The goal to opiod addiction should be to make your body not physically dependant on opiods. Methadon should be very short term start high dose and taper down. Subs should be low dose and taper down

>>730755596
Man opiates will bring you to tears and complete nothingness out of fucking nowhere. After awhile they're all you feel like you have.

>>730755424
Maybe i'm wrong but by the way you structured that paragraph, I'd say you're a fucking idiot.

>>730755792
Not to glorify or anything but man the nod from methadone is the best. It even beats the nod from a big fat shot of the best gear.

>>730755621

It's not about feeling better, I couldn't give a shit since that part of my life is behind me. You absolutely choose to become an addict via your actions. I did, as did you. Saying otherwise is simply making excuses for weak behavior in our past. Every single time you pop that pill or shoot up, you're making a conscious decision to continue. Yes, it's a tough one, but you still always have the option to be stronger. Withdrawal is terrible and feels like every cell in your body is dying at once, but you always have the choice. I can't will something like cancer or hep to go away. You sure as hell can will your way out of an addiction back into being clean, even if it's a very tough decision.

>>730755235
Fuck off I did shit for 10 years and I'm clean I hurt still from it and its been 8 months .... 1 month was on subs and said fuck that shit. I know cold turkey all to well my friend. My biggest problem was trying to reset my digestive system. Haveing the shots every day 10 times a day for 4 months is not ideal. But my track is almost back on track

>>730756032
It's not just the withdrawal though. It's guilt and shame and feeling like you have nothing left. It's being literally incapable of living life on life's terms. If withdrawal was it, well shit. No problem. Be dog shit sick for a week then go on like nothing happened. But it strikes much, much deeper.

>>730748976
This.
>notice how everyone who is saying "wrong" can't even motivate the answer

>>730755235
5 to 7 days .... Lmfao.... This statement just made me realize you don't know jack shit about withdrawaling from opiods .... Try 8 to 12 months if not more

>>730755825
I saw what they did.
Also really pissed at the college. He had a bright future: straight A's, tutored part time, and had a few internships. The problem is he had also bought a handful of pills from several others, along with the forged prescription, so they charged him with intent to distribute when he just stocked a few month supply. That's 5 years. Luckily he got paroled after 2. Still has just under 7 months

>>730756305
You literal nigger. A lot of opiate addicts started on prescription painkillers from accidents.

Currently the media in my area is always reporting about the "Fentanyl epidemic". How this opioid is killing lots of people. Good -- sounds like it's taking care of itself like some drug-fuelled natural selection.

>>730745494
Had to lol at this. You really think I care if you do the drug? NFL, buddy. No remorse. Save your own self, not my kids. The first cracky that comes near my fam gets a throat modification. enjoy, faggots.

>>730756450
8 to 12? nigga I heard years, those cravings never go away.

>>730755235
>never been an addict
>trying to sound like he knows shit
>doesn't know what Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome is
Dude you have no valuable insight and don't know at all what you're talking about. And you know what? I'm happy for you and hope you never do really understand what it's all about.

>>730756684
Taht's waht the fent is for

>>730756752
Thats fucking rough, when a fag tell another fag hes happy for him to not be in his shoes as an insult, you know that shit is hard.

>>730756684
He's talking about physical symptoms of withdrawal. The cravings never, ever go away. Ever. It will haunt you forever.

>>730755935
No. Just,no.

The fact that withdrawl from some drugs alone can biologically kill the user stands as a testament that addiction is a biological effect and therefor not a pure choice. But yes, the initial choice to start drug use which ends up getting the user addicited is a choice. But everyone makes mistakes. You've all chosen to do something stupid before in your lives and have payed the price for it. Just be glad you didn't make as bad of a choice as someone addicted to a serious drug. The simple base line is, addiction is a disease, but its also a matter of the user taking action to quit. Its both. The entire argument is irrelevant. But thats all you degenerates do, discuss irrelevant shit with extremely black or white opinions which retain no manner of reasoning.

>>730756969
Of course nothing can beat that warm, prickly rush, but I've always loved the nods from methadone. Maybe because I'm just so grateful that it lasts so long.

>>730755842
After re reading what I wrote I disagree. I just expect you to be smart enough to know what I mean and fill in the blanks.

>>730755424
>there other sheep
Ya! Ur reeelee smurt!

>>730742784
Addiction has a physiological basis within the brain, claiming that it is a choice is an ignorant statement.

>>730756032
>You absolutely choose to become an addict via your actions. I did, as did you.

No, you don't. You made the best choices you could given the resources you had at the time. This is a fundamental aspect of life that could change yours, right now, for the better - if you had the insight to grasp it.

>>730757157
I don't know man, I'm seeing some actual discussions here and I gotta say that its enlightening to see both sides.

>>730756684
I dont have cravings really. But I know ill physically feel better, put in 200% at work, and be happy. I get shit done with opiods. Even after not having any for 8 months.... I haven't gotten shit done beside not take opiods

>>730756450
>>730756684
>>730756752

Cravings brought on by PAWS =/= initial physical withdrawal.

Longest physical withdrawal I've ever seen was a bit over 20 days, and that was on a guy who had one of the largest methodone habits our agency had ever seen at the time.

Sounds like YOU don't know jack shit, faggot. I've been there, done that, cleaned up, got a masters degree in it, and made a career out of it. Quit being a pussy.

>>730757189
There weren't any blanks to fill in, it was very loud and clear, you think you're smart and you came to court prepared. You still sound like a fucking idiot though.

>>730756752
I agree I am happy as fuck that anon has no idea what the fuck he is talking about. I hope he never does know too.

>>730757378
Making a choice due to ignorance is still a choice. But we're splitting hairs here.

this. putting a dick where there are addicks.

>>730757763
Wooooo nigger chill, I never claimed to know anything, I even said I HEARD it could be, i'm not a fucking expert. Don't clump me with them.

>>730757578
Its and irrelevant argument because the question assumes there must be a polar answer, where the actual answer is comprised of some of both extremes. It is a disease that one must make a discernible choice of his/her own to quit.

>>730758030
Pardon me - You're excused.

>>730757378
>starting to take drugs or increasing your drug intake is the best choice available to some people

this is what people actually believe

"Tough love" yet she made a whole paragraph on how she doesn't love them.

>>730758136
Do you have a better idea to replace painkillers in the case of serious injury?

>>730742784
Its the hypocrisy that I can feel through my phone screen while reading it that gets me. Say what you want about addiction, lets say it is just about having a weak mind. The same people who will say that about drug addiction are probably glued to their phone, or the tv, or video games, or food, etc. They know how bad it is to do that much, but fuck it, i'll worry about it later. Their shortcomings are totally nonexistant and arent because they are weakminded, but drug addicts are just degenerates who choose to live that way. Yes, its their choice to do it the first time, but you never know their circumstances. Someone gets in an accident and get prescribed pain killers, doctors give them out like fucking candy, and you get to choose between debilitating pain and taking pain pills which you have way too fucking many of. The off days hurt worse so you take a couple extra, after some time you get used to that. You get hooked on feeling all the shit you hate melt away, and boom, youre addicted to opiates. Most people who say "never me" have never taken anything stronger than an tylenol liquid gel. The heroin fiend you see on the side of the road could have just been an asshole who said fuck it and wanted to feel good all the time, but they could just as easily have been someone who got fucked over and got to know the wrong people who want nothing more than to create more addicts and pile money.

>>730758220
lol that's right.

>>730758099
Thank you Dr.

>>730758136
I'm not surprised, saddened, or angered that you can't understand my statement. Most people can't. Maybe someday you'll get it, and your life will improve. And I'm not upset because, you see, you're doing the best you can with the resources you have at this moment as well. Everyone is.

>>730758319
Masters degree =/= Doctor. I would never take credit for education I didn't receive.

So what about crack babies? Was it their choice to be addicted? That alone should tell you that you are not in control of addiction.

>>730757217
Sorry ill just type thur from now on so u can laugh to that... I don't use good grammer when I'm on my phone but is because in don't really fucking care

>>730758288
Truth is, the whole drug scene is controlled buy the gov now. All you faggots belong to the gov. They feed you the shit, and when you get down, they rehab your shit. it's the new way.

>>730758491
It was a joke, learn to laugh a little in a serious thread about addiction.

>>730757763
So in your spare time you treat people you're trained to help like shit? You're the faggot at the clinic all the junkies want to beat into a pulp and make fun of. Fuck you and your masters degree. You're just a piece of shit as a person.

>>730758601
lol there faggot I lol'd

>>730758601
Addiction is no laughing matter.

I can't think of a clever way to turn that statement into a joke but your mother's a whore.

>>730757378
My life got better when I took oxys. It was great for 10 years. I crashed and burned on heroin hard in 8 months.

>>730758580
Really? Your phone can't auto-correct the fucking word grammar for you? I think the drugs are getting to you chico.

>>730742886
wow I didn't know people were this retarded here. OP pic was 100% truth all the way.

>>730758744
kek I'll take it

>>730758761
lol then the h is not your friend. Oxy is a pain killer by design. finger it out bro, just cause you use dont mean you a faggot, right?

>>730742784
Neither idgaf she's just mad not even a junkie will touch her rotting cunt Kek

>>730758679
>So in your spare time you treat people you're trained to help like shit?

Welcome to /b/ - an outlet for my frustrations and a place where I can let it all out. Clients request me as a therapist more than any other worker at the agency - I was promoted 10 months after my initial hire to a clinical supervisor, which was actually an agency record.

Now quit being a pussy faggot bitch and kick, you filthy junkie piece of shit.

>>730742784
heroin addict here and hell yeah there right. Addiction isnt a damn disease, you cant transmit it and there is no predisposition to abuse substances. Everything I did I did willing.

>>730757763
Also, took you long enough to come up with a response. I doubt you have a degree at all, looked up PAWS on google, and have never been there at all. Someone with a degree like you claim to have would never tell an addict "give it 7 days and get completely over it or you're a pussy."
Nor would anyone who's even been through it say that.

>>730758973
even a faggot

>>730757763
So you could never get completely away from drugs is what ur trying to say

>>730759005
You can literally transmit it to your baby if you're pregnant.

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You have to separate things. Deciding to take the drug for the first time is not a disease. Though it doesn't mean you're just some druggie trying to get high. Many people with injuries turn to the black market for more powerful drugs as the prescription pain killers that make life bearable become less and less effective for them. But the disease part is the addiction itself.

**********Whether or not you willingly contracted this disease does not make it any less of a disease.

>>730759005
Not every disease is transmittable and genetic factor can play into it but not always, other than that I do agree that addiction is not a disease however it can turn into a nasty problem that can kill you LIKE a disease.

>>730759005
Addiction is a disease, choosing to acquire it wasn't. Its both. You can choose to consume things that give you cancer, but just because you made the choice to consume those things, it doesn't make cancer any less a disease.

>>730758540
Where a little nobler than crack babies. Drug addicted babies did not choose to be addicts. Unless in a few rare cases a baby inside the woman would naw on the live a little to catch a buzz

>>730759005
>Addiction isnt a damn disease, you cant transmit it

You can't transmit heart disease either, or numerous other diseases. I think people confuse disease with the condition of being infected by some foreign body, bacteria, virus, etc. That's not what disease means.

>>730759056
>Someone with a degree like you claim to have would never tell an addict "give it 7 days and get completely over it or you're a pussy."

No - but an idiot like you would definitely misinterpret the statement. 5-7 days is the standard time for the initial physical withdrawal. That's the easiest part. But all you idiots want to do is get on methadone or suboxone and prolong that shit. It's disgusting what the drug companies are doing - and you're all falling for it.

I had the opportunity to get on methadone. I thank fate every day I chose not to, because I'd probably still be on it. Fucking. Kick.

>>730759002
None of what you're saying is true, and even if it was... wow you must be miserable in your work. You seem to hate what you do. That sucks. Here's an idea, relapse and shoot a hot dose. No one will miss you.

>>730759655
and enjoy making peanuts for a salary. If you do what you claim to your income is a joke.

>>730759005
>you cant transmit it
Genetically you can, to your offspring.
>there is no predisposition to abuse substances.
There is mountains of peer reviewed, scientific evidence to the contrary. You're an idiot.

>>730759627
You know what? I just learned something today, thank you. Not even being sarcastic, I just did the research and realized I've been using disease as a term in the wrong way.

>>730742886
this is correct, but everything else generally is too. All u had to do was not take drugs. And u fucked up. U had 1 job...
Peasure of the body ranks very low in hedonism, bu its extra low, since its destroying your health. Why would u want to be unhealthy and die soon?

The size of those sunglasses, definitely covering a 1/10 face

>>730759235
What you transmit is not addiction, you transmit a chemical dependency. The babys body will not be making endorphins for a period of 1-5 days beacuse its mu receptors were filled in the womb by heroin. This only happens with opoids because your body makes them. addiction is wide term and applies to other things even besides drugs.

>>730759655
lol I fucking love it, bro. I'm a rockstar at my job and the difference I make in people's lives is palpable. Do I make much? No - around 60k is about it. But I genuinely do love it.

I also love driving pathetic junkie faggots like you crazy on Tibetan basket weaving boards. Sue me ;)

>>730758833
My phones auto correct is what's the problem

>>730759766
Only with opiods because your body naturally makes them and this is called chemical dependency and can be transmitted. And there is not much research to prove pre disposition for drugs. Genetic factors can affect depression and and other personality traits that lead to substance abuse but ultimately it is a choice.

>>730760053
lol I've been clean for 3 years friend and own 2 restaurants. I don't know who would think you're insulting. 60 grand... I know 19 year olds who make more than you do serving tables here in southwest Florida. Man that must suck.

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>>730759855

did a normal, positive human interaction just happen on b?

>>730760053
Oh and out of the 4 times I've bee. To rehab.... wtf is a Tibetan basket weaving board? lol I just don't know what that is...

>>730760053
>>730760377

Both are 18-25 and unemployed edgelords. That or im POTUS

>>730760377
Oooh now you're playing the money = happiness game, huh? Whatever happened to me being a liar? Restaurant work blows. I did that for 10 years. I don't care if you paid me six figures - I'd rather eat a bullet. Enjoy making fatasses fatter - at least my life has meaning.

>>730760547
Sir POTUS. Welcome. Unfortunately we're probably both telling the truth. Thankfully I've experienced some success in my recovery, and then there's this asshole who is supposed to help people with addiction but honestly hates his job. His story is more believable than mine.

>>730758946
My 10yr with oxy was without script. No doc would give me a script because it was to young they said. And yes heroin the best most destructive part of its adventure. I'm now stuck in the courts which maintain say absolute sobriety. The only reason I'm doing it is because my sons mom has been on dope for 5 years. I have been in his life everyday since day one. When my son found me OD on the bathroom floor. He was 6. He got help. Now im dealing with cps. I'm all dudes got. He's all I got.

>>730760749
lol whatever you say Papa John

>>730760587
Like pretending to care about junkies, many of which recover and grow to become more successful than you? I love the restaurant business. Been doing it since I was a kid. It's great hiring a bunch of people that know how to do my job better than me and have them run my restaurants for me and still make money. And yes, you fucking cynical piece of shit. Money does equal happiness. And you know it and so do I. I'm not a millionaire but my salary has brought me a lot of joy.

>>730745347
by definition, it is very much a disease

>>730742784
As an ex addict, I agree with it. We know what we are doing but "cant" stop because of the feeling, then it gets to the point where you "cant" stop because you feel like shit without it. Getting back to normal is hard and most people, especially addicts, like things easy so they just keep going until they die.

>>730760749
POTUS here, just fucking with you guys. Seriously though, you seem sincere, its the internet, don't take any of these fucks seriously.

>>730760883
I wish I was papa John. Man that guy is rolling in it. Nowhere close. But still doing better than you, financially and from what it sounds like, spiritually as well. ;)

>>730759627
like cancer, you can go into remission, but it can come back. Addiction is the same thing. That's why the term disease is used.

>>730761101
I'm sorry about the 60gs a year... even after promotion... you could barely afford a 1 bedroom condo where I live.

>>730760989
And what's wrong with my salary? I have everything I want and more - and I love my work. I just love being an asshole on the internet as well. The two things are not mutually exclusive. That's why I can tell you I'll laugh at your relapse when you lose everything and I hope your children die of leukemia!

>>730742886
Taking drugs knowing that they well make you addicted to them is most certainly a choice. Drug addiction is most indeed a choice. Why do most people say they don't want to take drugs? Usually eithier because of negtaive health effects of addiction. They are choosing not to take drugs because they don't want to get addicted. Addiction to drugs is indeed a choice
You fucking nigger faggot

>>730742784
PNEUMONIA is a choice. it is not a disease. Before you went outside on a cold wet day you did not have pneumonia. you created a habit that became habitual and now you're dependant on antibiotics.

>>730761221
lol I can see your fat ass in the dark - after you type that perfect response and hit "post" - then you think to yourself "oh shit, I should also say THAT to him! That will show that loser!" And you link your own post to finish what you started. You've done it three times now.

>>730761174
but is cancer a disease? I'm not sure or a mutation?

>>730746914
Children born to mothers addicted to meth are born also addicted. To say addiction is a choice is to say the child chose to be born addicted. It's the mothers concious decision in those cases, not the child's. This is an exaggerated example, yes; but it gets the point across easier to better understand the smaller scenarios.

>>730761474
google is friend...

"Cancer is a group of diseases involving abnormal cell growth with the potential to invade or spread to other parts of the body. Not all tumors are cancerous; benign tumors do not spread to other parts of the body."

>>730742784
Disease of the mind, body, and spirit without question.

>>730759266
>**********Whether or not you willingly contracted this disease does not make it any less of a disease.

yep

>>730761224
Wow you sound like I've gotten you angry! Luckily if I have a relapse I've got plenty of money to fall back on and can collapse on a bed in Hazelden in Naples Florida if I'm feeling cheap. My business will keep going. And I have no children. I'm only just 30 as of 2 days ago. Dude you sound unhappy... still going To meetings? Working those steps? You should get back to it. You have fun trying to annoy people on an anonymous image board, you have a joke of a salary. You're not happy man. Get back into those rooms and get a sponsor. And I hope your children grow up drug free, happy, and prosperous. I hope that they get everything they deserve in life. There is love out there for you man. I'll pray for you tonight.

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>>730761297
I got to hand it to u b/ro

>>730761351
That's pretty accurate actually. Not really fat though, more skinny fat. I don't have the quickest wit so sometimes it takes me a couple responses to say what I really want to say. But I'm done here. I hope you find true happiness. Im sorry for making fun of your financial situation. It isn't fair for me to judge. I should be more humble.

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>>730742784

People who say things like this don't believe in mercy or understanding until it's them who needs it.

Life is a harsh sentence to lay down on anybody and things can get tough. It's easy to understand how the weight of the world can cause someone to seek an easy escape via drugs and unfortunately you can't understand a chemical addiction until you have one.

You make the choice to do the drugs, but the addiction is not a choice... and sometimes doing the drugs is like having a gun to your head and making the choice to pull the trigger or not. That's what life can feel like for some people...

>>730761692
That it buddy? You're not gonna link to this post and say something else? I can wait...

Also it's pretty awesome how you're trying to take the spiritual high road at this point after everything you've already said regarding money buying happiness and how I'm loser with a shit salary. Totally practicing that twelfth step, amirite?

>believing in god

kek - kys

>>730761917
after reading your post I knew you were the skinny type I don't know where he got fat from. All drug addicts are skinny

>>730762020
Oh man. You ARE butt hurt. Sorry man. Why not? I enjoy bringing less fortunate faggots off their pedestals the same way you like making fun of addicts on the internet when your job is to help them. Call it my guilty pleasure.

>>730762163
Tisk tisk! You should be practicing these principles in ALL your affairs, sir! Shame on you ;)

>>730762279
Says the one who preaches this shit to vulerable people who trust and believe him.
"None of us adhere perfectly to these principles. We are not saints."
I'm starting to like you..

is anyone else just going to sit back and watch this two duke it out. Let's all take a break from addiction for a second and see who wins

>>730762431
>I'm starting to like you..

The feeling is mutual. However, I'd like to clarify that I do NOT push AA/NA on anyone - I think the program is mostly psychological self-hypnosis horseshit for the Jesusy types. But whatever works.

>>730762471
There is no winning. I'm the restaurant fag. This isn't an argument where a winner emerges, it's a pissing contest on /b/ and at the end of the night the thread will 404 and we will both just continue being the assholes we are.

>>730762935
therapistfag here. Amen.

>>730762774
Ah! And there's the thing! Let me ask you ONE thing. Even though you think most of th program is bullshit, do you honestly like helping people and see them get better?

>>730763043
I was the addict that said the methadone program was bullshit. It's run for profit in Wisconsin

>>730763043
>do you honestly like helping people and see them get better?

lol I wouldn't be doing what I do if I didn't. /b/ bullshit aside, I love it more than anything. Tell anyone that and I'll kill you, though. And I still hope your kids die of leukemia.

>>730763174
So you do then? You want to help? You don't just see addicts as a paycheck?

>>730763232
Dude they probably will if I do have kids. But the fact that you care about these people is all I wanted to hear. You can think what you want about the 12 steps in your private life, but as long as you WANT to help people that's all anyone can ask. And I apologize for being an ass if that is the case.

>>730763241
The guy you're talking to isn't me, I'm >>730763232

>>730763412
Same shit applies. If you actually have a passion for helping people then I totally see you in a different light.

>>730763366
I still go to meetings from time to time. There's great principles and support there. But the steps are whatever - there's many different ways to achieve the psychological change the steps are made to invoke.

>I apologize for being an ass

Thanks - I don't. You try unconditionally supporting addicts every single day with a smile on your face and NOT come on to an anonymous internet website to blow off steam!

>>730763770
I've been blowing off steam for the last half an hour rustling your jimmies! lol what do you mean?! And no I don't. I think that people deserve a chance to redeem themselves.

>>730763232
I couldn't do the 12 steps. to slow instead I jumped them and it worked. It just wasn't for me

>>730764021
Please - your jimmies were rustled first when you started responding to my bullshit. I win.

>>730764240
You do you nigger.

>>730764021
Oh, another addendum
(Picture me cackling in the dark, with my cheetoh fingers if it helps paint a mental picture)
For me to get under someone's skin with a masters degree in any kind of psychology... man. God I might cum.

>>730764270
You can't prove that. Who's jimmies were rustled first? Hmmm? You came right back with the "faggot" and "junkie" remarks, which indicate rustled jimmies.

>>730749233
It's worse than that actually because you are also your own enemy. The types of logic you will use to just get another high are insane. Like, say you're completely broke and your cars running on fumes, but you've got a paycheck coming.
At this point, you'll tell yourself "well, I can make it to my dealers house at least, I've got some change in my car. I can probably walk back, it's only 4 miles as the crow flies really and then I'll just tell a coworker my cars broken down so they can take me to work tomorrow, then I'll get my paycheck... Nobody gets off at the same time as me, can't get a ride... Maybe I can find some change by then and take the bus. From my bank it's only like 2 miles to my dealers place so I can just grab my car then and probably another bag or 2."
And this logic seems not just doable. It seems the obvious thing to do in that moment. Not like there's no other options and so you have to because addict. You don't feel like that, you feel like it's a completely normal thing to do. In your mind that plan is not just sane, but genius. People can say addicts have no willpower all they want, I've seen someone about to come down from dope before and the drive you see in that person at that moment is not found anywhere else in the world.

>>730764350
Keep thinking you did, faggot.
>thinking I'm not just some junkie who's been to rehab twice and can spin bullshit
Now what?

>>730764527
Oh quit being so aggressive you. You know you like me. I didn't assume anything of the sort about you. I assumed that you were some asshole grad student on a high horse because they don't do drugs, pretending to help people just for a (small) paycheck and laughing at them behind their backs. YOU got a second chance, and from what it sounds like a third! So what makes you any different from any active junkie on this board wanting help?

>>730759857
People get hooked on drugs in different ways my guy.. Not everyone just decides they want to be a heroin addict one day. It can be a snowball effect from painkillers after an injury, malpractice, lack of education, etc.

>>730764841
>I didn't assume anything of the sort about you.
I'm saying, what if I AM just some junkie who can spin bullshit? Makes ya wonder, no?
>So what makes you any different from any active junkie on this board wanting help?
>this board
>wanting help
>this board
wew lad

>>730764333
HUH?

>>730765376
You do you - as in be yourself - do what you do. Nigger.

>>730765156
No it doesn't make me wonder. It would make sense. As you'll remember I told you I thought you were full of shit from the beginning. But I could be wrong. And yeah, I've seen a lot of posts here from people who have no one to turn to and need help.

>>730765156
Dude. Don't you just want to like... cuddle at this point? You can be the big spoon.. why so much arguing? Let's just you know... experiment a little. No homo. You've clearly got a boner for me.

I don't agree with calling it a "disease". When you take drugs, you are making a voluntary choice to put that stuff in your body. Calling that a disease is an insult to people with real diseases like cancer.

But I do think that people with addiction problems have a genetic predisposition to becoming that way. So I do feel kind of bad for them. But not as bad as I would feel for someone who developed a serious disease by no fault of their own

>>730765492
>As you'll remember I told you I thought you were full of shit from the beginning. But I could be wrong.

HA! You ARE wrong! I fucking win again! Anyways, it was fun talking with you. I need to get to bed - I have some pathetic junkies I need to pretend to be nice to tomorrow for a shitty paycheck so I can make rent on my rat infested efficiency while I slowly spiral into depression and beg a god I don't believe in for the courage to pull the trigger the next time I'm crying myself to sleep with a .45 against my temple.

Peace out my man ;)

>>730765784
:3 :P

>>730765999
It's not a disease in the typical sense of the word when you think of things like cancer. But certain people are predispositionednto addiction, and when they start using their drug of choice the pleasure center of the brain gets completely hijacked. It literally alters their brain chemistry, permenantly. This doesn't happen to normal people. It's not something you can transmit sexually or blood to blood, or by coughing in someone's face, but it is genetically inherited.

>>730766119
Oh okay friend. I DID tell you that I didn't believe you about your degree etc etc... and the pathetic junkie thing won't work because you already admitted you like helping people. And when you reach for that .45, just remember. Turn the safety off. Night.
Oh, and no. I win.

Jesus fucking Christ do all of you idiots believe in free will?

>>730766453
Unless you still want to cuddle!!! I'm here for that if like... you know. Anyways I'm all flustered. Sleep well bby :-*

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>>730742784
Are you familiar with the marshmallow test? There's a growing body of evidence that the ability to delay gratification is the single biggest factor in determining a person's ability to achieve what is considered success in modern Western culture -- and that it's both genetic and heritable.

There is a direct correlation between the results of the marshmallow test and subsequent criminality. This seems to indicate that the problem is not about willpower or choice, but rather than we have designed a culture which punishes certain types of people for genetic traits wholly out of their control -- something very familiar to every black person in the USA.

>>730766453
> I DID tell you that I didn't believe you about your degree etc etc...

But I do have the degree. So I win.

>>730766511
I don't. I'm a pure determinist. I love the illusion of free will, however.

>>730765444
o ok ... nice trips, i thought you were calling me a fag or something

>>730766766
Right, I never said you didn't though. God it feels so hard to try and explain this to someone who's only smart enough to make 60k a year. I said I "could" be wrong, I never gave you a definite "yes i believe you have a degree" or a "no, you don't." I believe you have your degree. And I also believe you're just trying to make me mad and that you really love helping people and that makes me feel good. So... okay okay. You can "win." Can you sleep now? All better?

>>730766960
Would you feel better if I did? I just wanna help.

>>730767024
>So... okay okay. You can "win." Can you sleep now? All better?

Nope. Not until you take the quotation marks off of "win." You're just being facetious and it doesn't satisfy me.

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>>730767215
Come on bro, I can't do that. There is no "winning" here. We both just looked like tools for the last 45 minutes. No one wins. It's the beauty of an anonymous message board. Neither of us could prove each other right or wrong, and we had some great dialogue, some of it insulting, some amusing, and some heart warming. Let's both win! :-) see there! No quotes around the word.

>>730767477
Dubs speak truth! Nighty night my little "winner?" ;)

>>730767477
Hehe ok I'll accept that. Wanna fuck?

>>730766511
I'll bite. I'm aware that free will in the way the term is generally used does not exist. BUT the word "choice" can still be used to attribute responsibility, which in turn can motivate a change in behavior despite neither choice nor responsibility really being things that can exist as we generally use the terms.

Basically, using the words choice and responsibility are just cognitive tools to encourage behavioral change in people that take them seriously. Thus, this thread remains coherent even under the supposition that there is no free will. Fin. Fuck you.

>>730767590
>>730767592
Don't go. Answer me first.

>>730767592
Dude totally. I've been waiting for awhile. Thank god. I'm a power bottom. Is that okay?

>>730767773
Yes!! Omg are you serious?! I'm a complete sub but I love to top! That's perfect!

>>730767926
Okay! We agree. I am so down. Spit first k? I'm sensitive.

U both are winners holy shit

>>730742886

except you're fucking wrong. addiction literally means when it's applied to drugs: to crave and habitually use them. meaning, that I as a smoker of cigarettes, smoking a couple packs a week (habitual use), and strongly craving them when I went without them, was addicted. But, I as a human being have a will of my own, and so when I decided I'd had enough of being a smoker, I quit smoking entirely, even though my brain was telling me every moment to go buy cigarettes I didn't. because addiction is a choice. only weak minded and weak willed people think like you, that taking drugs or being addicted is not a choice. and this goes for 99% of fat people too, they're weak willed and eat convenient and tasty crap and then blame being fat on genetics. fuck off with that pussy shit, saying addiction isn't a choice. it's completely a choice. like you said " "taking drugs is a choice", even if you're addicted, just fucking stop doing them, if that's what you want to do. but don't go herp derp i have no control over my actions or my state of my mind the drugs have controlllll like you're some fuckin zombie cause you don;t want to take responsibility for yourself.

>>730768030
I have astroglide and I go slow baby boy, you're in good hands ;)

>>730767926
I can also compromise and try to be top but you have to guide me. You can't laugh k?

>>730768135
Oh it's like you know me so well. Astroglide is kept next to by bible and twelve steps in my nightstand drawer.

>>730768209
I'd never laugh at you babe - you're my world. I've been stretching with plugs for 6 months just for this occasion. Don't hold back.

>>730767595
I think you're mostly correct. The concept of free will has merit when used to manipulate people into moving down certain paths. However, in that same logical framework, it seems pretty irresponsible to look at anything as anyone's fault.

>>730766697
Interesting. Doesn't this mean the people that fail to delay gratification are far more likely to reproduce in force than those that can wait?

Basically we have something akin to some fucked up backwards natural selection then. Those that can thrive the best in this environment are the least likely to reproduce and those that cannot thrive reproduce more quickly.

>>730768298
We're kindred spirits in both Jesus and anal sex :)

>>730768335
I'll thrust with the force of a thousand stallions as long as it brings you pleasure.

>>730768345

you're not as smart as you think you are

>>730768060
TL;DR

>>730767477
Lurker here. I can confirm that you both looked like tools for the last 45 minutes. Good work.

>>730768466
Breed me while you make fun of my salary and call me worthless you brilliant, heavenly faggot!

>>730768555
Wanna 3 way?

>>730768555
Trips don't lie. Thank you for your honesty sir. Chek'd.

>>730768544

if you take drugs and whine about how you're addicted because it's a disease then you're a weak-willed pussy, and you should commit sepuko

>>730768498
Yeah probably not. I'm just getting fed up with it being the prevailing opinion that anyone has any control over what happens to them.

>>730752567
Exactly. School can only do so much. I had a buddy back in HS who was from a shitty part of town. As much as the school warned about addiction to drugs and shit, when he was home he was surrounded by bottles of booze and people popping pills or shooting up, and had been like that since he was born. It just became a part of life for him and sadly he joined in during the junior year of HS. Last I heard he was in prison for something.

>>730768651
Oh I'll make fun of that shit. I'll call you my little slut bitch fuckhole and you'll like it.
>>730768555
Yeah bro have sex with us man.

>>730768746
Determinist again - honestly? No one does. But we're all trapped into thinking we do. Technically nothing matters as it's all laid out and nothing can change it - just be thankful for the illusion of control you have.

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The fixed idea is the most powerful addiction.

I would enjoy watching a mass suicide of like-minded politicians.

>>730768380
Yes, and it may be responsible for a great deal of the class warfare going on. The rich become rich because they can delay gratification, then they use their power and influence to make things even worse for those who can't. So you end up with a smaller and smaller group of people making life miserable for a larger and larger group of people.

See, the thing is, neither group is objectively superior. Each traditionally performed a different function in the tribe. The brain has two, very different problem-solving modes: a fast mode which allows for large margins of error but produces quick results, and a slow mode which is significantly more accurate but takes a lot longer. They're both important for survival in different contexts. So people prone to making quick decisions without much thought about the long-term implications are supposed to be the hunters and warriors and defenders of the tribe, able to face danger with swift reaction. Unfortunately we've taken their role away from them and punished people who have a genetic predisposition to use this mode of problem-solving, snatching the marshmallow without thinking about the long term.

>>730768872
>Oh I'll make fun of that shit. I'll call you my little slut bitch fuckhole and you'll like it.

ok, but I top first! *inserts my 3 inch, half flaccid cock into your tight virgin hole and starts crying*

I'd like to see this mewling quim go through Heroin or Alprazolam withdrawals.