Why is "the right" to abort any child you want a thing?

>>730738622
I suppose you think double suicide is better?
Child abuse?
Poverty?
Mental Suffering?

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>>730738709
>I suppose you think double suicide is better?
>Child abuse?
>Poverty?
>Mental Suffering?

>>730738918
/thread

>>730738709
>what is adoption

Why is killing someone wrong? the dead person won't even know is dead.

>>730738622
Because pragmatically it makes sense.

>>730738622
Well, you can't abort *any child you want*

I mean, you cant just walk up to any pregnant bitch, shove your hand up her pussy and pull out the baby. That would be ludicrous

>>730738622
humans are a plague. not a popular opinion (naturally) but we as a species are fairly parasitic

>>730738622
You could also make the argument that no human has the right to impose their life on another.

In that case, the mother is wanting the human inside of her to leave, which should be within her right to do.

I'd rather be aborted than grow up with a feminist cunt mother tbf

>>730738622

You cannot abort "any child you want." You can only abort an unborn child that you are carrying.

>>730738918
you can't use a fetus for bait. the fish won't eat it!

>>730739115
>humans are a plague
nigger are a plague

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>>730739115

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>>730738622
We don't need more humans on this planet.

>>730739278(you)

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>>730738990
There's already enough children up for adoption bud.
Differentfag btw

>>730738622
Then how do you feel when you commit genocide whenever you masturbate in a tissue.

>>730738990
>give babby to nuns
>baby spends 18 years in what's basically a prison-like buttfuck institution
>ends up a bum

Abortion keeps crime rates down, fewer single mother popping out babies = fewer babies growing up to be criminals.

>>730738622
I fully accept that a fetus is a child and I am completely okay with killing them, fgt.

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>>730739433

>>730739261
I'd say
>niggers=humans
but I'm fairly certain you'd disagree

>>730739433
kek, true

>>730739200
That's the way I've always seen it.

>>730738622

it's not a child until it comes out of the mother.

so it's ok to terminate it any time before it comes out.

>>730738622
A child is an uninvited tenant, not paying rent for the use of the mother's body, and this violating the NAP. The mother may respond as she wishes to this violation of her rights.

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>>730738622
Because fuck your feelings.

>>730738622
You should be able to kill the child up to 4 years old. That's when their personalities finally form. Anything before that is an incomplete pile of cells

Because Niggers that's why.
You fucking retard

because having a baby you can't afford are incapable of taking care of, is much worse than offing the little thing.
why make someone intentionally live through a shitty life?

>>730739740
why? what is this magic barrier it passes through that makes it "alive"?

if i was c-sectioned a day before my actual birthday i would still be alive and functioning as i am today. there is no arbitrary condition that is checked when you are brought out of your mother, the day you come out is completely random.

>>730739746
best answer lmao

>>730740041
or are*

because killing babies is funny.
and abortion is legal, so you can have funny murder and not get in trouble

>>730738622
(((They))) want to kill White children

>>730740253
THE
FUCKING
>E D G E

>>730738622
A lot of people should die and babies aren't even people

I'm pro-abortion.

>>730740049

think about the mom on the day before her child is born:

does she pay for 2 movie tickets, or 2 plane tickets?

no

can she drive in the carpool lane?

no

therefore, since the child is not recognized as an entity before it comes out, it is not a person until it comes out.

so it's ok to kill it.

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>>730738622
Men should never hold the right to what a woman should do with her body. Men can't even get pregnant so there is no reason we should have any input on that situation.

Also, anti abortion means that there is a bold possibility of a mega Hitler or mega evil human being born.
A child shouldn't be born without a family who can properly raise them.
Abortion is an important thing that shouldn't be done away with.

>>730739104
I do what I want.

>>730740049
> Magical barrier
Not him but when brain activity begins. I say that should be the cut off point for abortions. Because at that point it's no more alive than when it was mindlessly swimming around daddy's ballsack. Once brain activity begins, so does life.

>>730739200

>that no human has the right to impose their life on another.

damn mom im really sorry you chose to have sex and got pregnant with me, i didnt mean to impose.

Go ahead and Abort me, thats certainly not imposing.

>>730740253
Consider a 100th trimester abortion on yourself. It will be funny.

>>730739243
Wanna bet?

>>730739433

Haploid cell, not a diploid.

If it doesnt have a unique set of human DNA its not human

>>730738622
Because the argument is about aborting any child you *don't* want, OP

gosh

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>>730738622

Do you really think this is a human bean?

>>730740675
cool joke

>>730738622
Why do you care? There's too many fucking humans as it is. You actually care about human life? You're a fucking idiot

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>>730740653
Fetuses really have this complex of a thought process?
Wow anon, never knew.

>>730738622
u dont abort children, u abort pregnancy.
Why do u want to give foetuses the right to use somebody elses organs without their consent?

>>730740813
no thats an elephant

http://www.amaturetube.info/web-cam-chat/ live burnet masterbating bump this must get this out

>>730740573
Hitler had a family that raised him and men are more capable of making rational decisions than women. Eat a bag of dicks, cuck.

>>730738622
https://www.exploratorium.edu/exhibits/embryo/embryoflash.html

>>730740889

so racist

>>730740083
Stupid fucking answer and a ripoff of a joke

>>730740601
bodily functions occur almost right after the zygote forms, i suppose you raise a good point with the brain but it should be noted it's still alive.

>>730740525
legally you're correct, scientifically and (arguably) morally you aren't.

REMINDER THE YOUNGEST PREMATURE BABY TO SURVIVE WAS BORN 2 WEEKS BEFORE IT WAS ILLEGAL TO ABORT HER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Qo2VcEO8Y

>>730738622
embryo =/= human

At which point, in your mind, does the sperm cell and egg become a human? At the moment of conception? When organs have started to form? At first heartbeat? When the brain starts to form?

This is the big disconnect between pro-life and pro-choice. Nobody believes in killing babies, people just have different opinions on when it's a baby.

Around 9 weeks after conception is where the general consensus is that the embryo becomes a fetus. But then the question becomes when is a fetus a baby and thus can't be aborted.

Personally I believe that if the fetus can't survive outside the womb then it's not a baby yet and so it can be aborted. But I can understand why people think it's earlier in the pregnancy.

>>730740984
>Completely missing the point

I'm sorry you grew up so misinformed and lacked education to make a decent human being of you.

Lol kys dumbass.

Funny how liberal faggots think capital punishment is barbaric and has no place in civilized society but think murdering babies is perfectly fine.

>>730741151
REMINDER, THAT IT ESSENTIALLY ABORTED ITSELF

>>730738622
Why do you give a fetus that can't survive without the mother's body more right over the mother's body than the mother herself?

Why do you fail to realize there's no guarantee a fetus will even be born (miscarriages happen, yo).

Why do you fail to realize a zygote is not a human. How about we wait until they have a brain/nervous system fully formed enough to be defined as such?

Fucking cuckservatards.

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>>730738990
wow, that's great!

>>730740984
>Cuck
I don't think anon knows how to use that word.
Autism confirmed, abort convo naow.

>>730740525

You can be charged with double murder for killing a pregnant woman though.

Also unborn children can definitely be a legal entity.

I was legally named before I was born for the sake of my mothers divorce at the time.

>>730740813
Is a human bean. Is bean human.

>>730738622
So I don't become a dad at age 18, thank you very fucking much.

>>730741190
>Personally I believe that if the fetus can't survive outside the womb then it's not a baby yet and so it can be aborted.
see
>>730741151

>>730741282
Thats because people want infants not abused kids with PTSD

Let's put it in terms you can understand. Let's say you're the perfect blood match for a person that, without your blood, would die.

Can I force you to give blood because if not the other person would die?

Same fucking thing.

/thread

>>730741202
I clearly addressed both points you made. Eat two bags of dicks.

>>730741298
Shut up, cuck

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>>730738622
>abort any child you want

I could support this. Will vote for O.P. for president of planet.

Little shit kicks your seat? Abort it.
Ruins your nice quiet meal or movie? Send the little fucker to hell.

Beautiful.

>>730741416
why be pregnant at all, then? Just toss the ball into an oven and then u r stuck with it, fag. Why would u want the incubator to not be used by this foetus?

>>730741511

Except you chose to have sex and risk a baby you mongoloid

If you subscribe to pro-life under the idea that all life is precious, I hope you don't eat meat and care for every living human equally. That includes Muslims, homeless people, LGBTQ people, feminists and so on. If you don't then all life isn't precious after all, and you're being massively hypocritical by putting an unthinking ball of cells above a fully conscious human.

>>730741554
i personally argue a child is not a person, until, like 10yo

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>>730738622
At that logic, masturbation is also murder.

Your example a (pic related) : a human being.

I believe the early stages to the mid stages of conception create a mildly active bundle of cells. The mind doesn't come into play for a while, and until that point abortion should be legal.

>>730741268
Yeah that's about right.
Also, humans were a scientific mistake from another species that would be considered our God(s). We were obviously dumped on a planet where our overlords would observe us from their lunar and Martian base of operations. We were never meant to leave this planet, just to be observed.
So when we figure out how to sustain human beings in space voyages for a prolonged amount of time, we will probably be marked for extermination, as any intelligent and enforcing species would see humans as a Galactic threat(we are creatures of war and death), and that we are a spreading cancer that should be eradicated.

>>730741620
I think you misunderstood that post.

My point was "Viability" is too ambiguous a criteria to decide. The fact premies have survived being born before their abortion limit proves that.

>>730738622
Because we have enough pieces of shit on this planet already. Do the planet a favor. Abort.

>>730741688
if we r arguing its human, cuz it has human dna, i can easily go that far to call every1 a mass murderer for flaking skin cells or bleeding.

>>730738622
to prevent such genetic mistakes like you from living

>>730741688
see
>>730740769

>>730741515
Nope, you're literally a shit for brains retard.
Again, sorry you lacked a proper education and are a confirmed autist.
Good luck eating shit for the rest of your life, buddy boy.

>>730741687
now that's stupid

>>730741624
Yeah man having sex is a "choice".
Just pure coincidence that every single person on the planet makes the same "choice".
You choose to breathe, so you deserve all bad things that come to you while you purposely extend your lifespan.

>>730741130
>Morally incorrect
Say more words fag.

>>730741631
>If you don't then all life isn't precious after all, and you're being massively hypocritical by putting an unthinking ball of cells above a fully conscious human.

Whats hypocritical about it? Some value some life more than others.

I dont see how its hypocritical to value innocent human life more than the wants of the human that chose to have sex and risk a pregnancy in the first place.

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>>730741515
Probably what anon looks like.
AKA, fuqboi.

>>730738622
Why are you calling a foetus a human rather than just foetus you weirdo
Like you don't call a tadpole a frog

Because sometimes murder is justified.

>>730740984
Kek what a fucking retard

If you are against abortion then you're living in a fantasy world.

100%

>>730741515
Yeah, and you lack any knowledge whatsoever.
Stop trying you fucking cuck.

>>730741816

Leave a fetus to its natural process -- it makes a human

Leave a skin cell to its natural process -- nothing happens

Leave blood to its natural process -- nothing happens

Leave spit on the ground to its natural process -- nothing happens

Leave sperm to its natural process -- nothing happens

Leave an ova to its natural processes -- nothing happens

seeing a difference here?

>>730741624
Luckily you haven't ever been given that choice.

>>730741797
no. The fundamental difference between a child and a foetus, is that a child doesnt live in a uterus. As a foetus develops, it seems to signal the mother into labour. If there r defects, it can signal the mothers body and force it into labour too soon. So whats the difference? If u give birth to a child, who can suck a tit and digest the milk, it can survive. If u give birth to a transparent-skinned, red gut flap, that is blind, cant suck and cant digest - it dies out. Sure its cool we made technology with science to save such foetusess lives, if u want to keep this particular offspring, for some reason, but that choice wasnt available in more primitive times. So just cuz u shit out some blob, doesnt mean its fit to live outside of the uterus already.

>>730741416
Statistical anomalies don't prove anything. If 1 in 10000 "babies" die if born before the legal limit of abortion then that 1 does magically survive doesn't mean the limit isn't right.

It's possible to die from being kicked in the nuts, but we don't treat kicking someone in the nuts as attempted murder because it's exceedingly rare that it happens.

>>730740813
that is human embryo it qt lil human
human fetus is qt lil human
human infant is qt lil human
human toddler is qt lil human
human teen is edgy lil human

>>730741947
>Yeah man having sex is a "choice".

uhh yeah it literally is. many people choose not to have kids, like my spouse and I.

>>730741906
>>730742086
>>730742180
triggered as fuck

>>730741917
whats a person? Does it have anything to do with having a personality? Is there a difference between personality and temperament? How long does the personality develop?

>>730742020
Well either 'all life is sacred' or 'some life is sacred'. If you're saying the first, then everyone is on an equal playing field and you should be the most tolerant person, and probably vegan too.

If you're saying 'some life is sacred', you'd also have to argue you are the ultimate moral arbiter for the worth of a living thing. That's retarded, the world isn't black and white and your opinion of worth is subjective.

>>730742354

last line got cut.

Thats why I had a vesectomy.

>>730742260
Leave a fetus to it's natural process; nothing happens.

A mother acts as a host; it makes a human.

The mother is the living organism until birth. Without her, it's a bundle of cells.

>>730742260
>>730742283

Whats a "natural process"?

>>730741190
An embryo is a human in my opinion, as long as human is defined by homo sapien. The better distinction would be between humans and persons. Just being born a certain species doesnt necessarily give you right to life, it should be certain mental states that get you in the "right to life" group. Someone with severe brain damage who is in a coma, who can absolutely never recover is definitely a human, but likely not a person, and there seems to be nothing abhorrent morally speaking in putting them down.

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>>730741947

>Just pure coincidence that every single person on the planet makes the same "choice".

What are celibate monks?

What are Asexuals?

What are DINKs?

>>730738622
Let's all be dads cause the condom failed.

>>730738622
Sorry for bleeding "human" every month.
I'm such a killer I deserve to die

>>730742386

>and your opinion of worth is subjective.


Uh yeah you fucking retard, the definition of personhood is subjective, thats why its a debate in the first place you fucking mongoloid

>>730738622
Theres a fertility clinic next to a daycare, a fire breaks out. You can save 1000 fertilized embryos or 1 infant.

Which do you pick?

>>730740573
This is the most retarded post ITT. Hitler did nothing wrong.
The child should be born unless they have some serious defect from the ultrasound.

>>730742374
Nah you're just paranoid breh, grow the fuck up.

>>730739374
i invite you to go first

>>730742045

>Human foetus

>Larval frog

please tell me you arent this retarded

>>730742714
cry more

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>>730738918
Random tits for you sir.

>>730742562
That isn't a human, learn biology. Menstruation isn't even a zygote. It's vaginal discharge.

This is why women shouldn't be in power.

>>730742673
>Hitler did nothing wrong
First of all, u mad, u faggot fuckass Nazi pos.

But alright anon, have fun on the watchlist. It's your funeral bud.

>>730742653
That's my point. How can you argue that life is intrinsically precious while also arguing that human worth is subjective? You're being hypocritical.

Had to explain this 3 times, I'd be careful who you're calling a mongoloid.

>>730742714
>breh
>grow up

Pick one nignog

>>730742487

Yes a human foetus requires a host, that chose to have sex and put it there.

The mother itself is a bundle of cells, the only difference is their legal personhood which is the whole debate.

Don't see a problem killing humans

Less in killing a project of a human

We are this planet sickness, already too many of us and we're growing, 3 babies every god damn second, why would you even give a fuck?? I don't know man I just get the sense that you enjoy telling others what Is right or wrong and you don't actually give a shit about the childs life, why are'nt you talking about children that are actually alive and need help?

>>730742773
Damn, you sound like you're still in middle school.
Confrontational and moody as fuck, once more grow the fuck up anon. Get off your damn period.

>>730742260
Potential value is not value.

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>>730738990
adoption is abuse, poverty, and mental anguish... for most. It's also a burden on the tax payer but this is basically the hitler argument.

>>730738622
why is a persons right to control their own body not a thing?... is a better question. there are answers here but this is really the question.

how can you force a parent to care for a child? This seems to me to be the most pressing matter. if the mother doesn't want the child she will get rid of it one way or another. scrambling it's cells before it's developed nerves seems the best option to me in that case.

>>730742488
in this context im using it to mean without outside human interference.

>>730742835
You're the only one mad ITT. Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>730742970
cry even more

>>730742811
and he bit. Thank you for answering faggot :)

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>>730742901
Pick two

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>>730740813
>human bean
frigg'n lost

>>730742999
fuzzy carrots are not carrots

blind dogs are not dogs

soft rocks are not rocks

>>730743036
:^)

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>>730738622
Because there isn't enough shit to keep the human population in check. If you aren't ready to make baby; abort

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>>730742664
Better question...Why am I the only adult in range of two facilities that should be staffed by dozens of people? Also where the fuck is the fire department? This scenario makes no damn sense..

>>730739433
Check this edgy fuck out!
When sperm enters egg fuck face

>>730742970
But your vagina is the one bleeding?

>>730739746
Found the libertarian

>>730743025
oh, like incubators?
Regardless of that - why do u want to give the foetus the right to use some1 elses organs without their consent?

>>730743039
Kys teenie bopper

>>730743203
Are you literally retarded? Kek

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>>730743021
"adoption is abuse, poverty, and mental anguish... for most."
Still better than being fucking dead because your mother was a slut...

>>730741282

Oh jeez that's terrible! We should kill them so they don't have to go through that horror! I'm sure most of those children would prefer death to their life.

>>730742263
>So just cuz u shit out some blob, doesnt mean its fit to live outside of the uterus already.

What the fuck are you even trying to say?

If its born its legally a person

>>730741190
Human embyro, human fetus, human infant, human teen, human adult.

They're all human, retardo. Don't miss biology next time.

>>730741190
it's a stage of human development.... keyword there being human. it's alive and it is a species soooo yea. pro-choser here btw.

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>>730742908
Except that having sex doesn't always result in a baby so it's not a choice to have a baby. There are couples that have chosen to have a baby and it takes several months for it to happen and then there are couples where they take a risk once and have sex without a condom and it happens too.

When I drive to work it's possible that on the freeway my car will blow a tire and I'll be hurled into oncoming traffic and die, but just because it's possible doesn't mean I make the choice to die every time I get into my car.

>>730738622
Toxic topic

>>730743387
Kys

>>730743359
give it a job, then, nigger

>>730743330
why do you want vagina rights?

>>730743359
also
>legally

>>730741190

>is a human embryo
>is not human

pick one

>>730738622
"I just dont think life is that precious"
-Louie CK.

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>>730738622
If you think abortion is murder, you shouldn't be masturbating OP.

>>730743101
>man
>defending feminism

Pick one, manlet.

>>730743474
Kek did you take your meds today?

>>730743360
>>730743379
Is a sperm cell human? Should sperm have the same rights as an adult? Because that's what you are arguing.

>>730738622
Humans are shitty animals.

>>730738990
>He actually thinks social services and the adoption process has the child's best interest at heart.

Does it have a social insurance number?

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>>730743562
In fact, they really should castrate themselves because those sperm are still made in the testes. If you don't shoot them out in your spunk they just die in there.

>>730741869
As of there is any human difference between the two.

>>730742307

>doesn't mean the limit isn't right.

it literally does though, "viability" is based on being impossible to survive.

99.99999 unlikely isnt impossible.

If you kill somone by kicking them in the nuts, youre still charged with murder even though its incredibly rare.

>>730743562

heh love this troll image. As if anyone is stupid enough to actually make this comparison.

Only weak faggots think it's not okay to kill babies

>>730741762
This

Human is cancer
Don't make more

pls

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>>730743352
Yes,we should.

>>730743736
>still calling it a haploid cell instead of a human

It's not human. It's tissue.

>>730743728
Nah thanks, I'm already quenched by your tears

>>730743661
Sperm is a cell. Not a human embryo which a developed zygote made of multiple cells, tissues and developing organs.

What did I say again, Tyrone? Don't miss biology.

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>>730743811
Only spoiled idiots think they can make the world think like they do.

>>730743841

lets start rounding up the children in foster care and killing them! It's what they'd want.

>>730743888
You're the only one crying tho.

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>>730742263
So when some one falls into a coma when should just put a pillow over their face then? You see how stupid what you said sounds to a rational person?

>>730743806
No you don't, you get charged with assault.

>>730742876
because literally all laws are subjective and thats how we base out society?

How can you argue the mother is intrinsically more precious while also arguing that human worth is subjective?

>>730743721
Interesting, can we kill illegal immigrants too? Please?

>>730743940
which is why you're trying to make the world think the way you do?

>>730744041
no, cuz THEY R NOT A FUCKIN FOETUS

>>730743908
Yet you don't call it a human
So it's not human.

>>730743646
only pro choicers takes meds

>>730743401

No your just RISKING dying in a car crash, just like people risk a pregnancy.

>>730744027
If it makes you happy to think that. Fine.

>>730744172
Yes you do call it a human embryo. It's an organism. A living human being. You don't call infants human? They're only human to you when they're outside the womb?

>>730744172
Also, we don't call them human adults, or human teens in the real world. We have sperm, a fetus, and a human. One of these things is not like the others

>>730744207
and yet when you risk a car crash, you can have medical proceedures to get rid of unwanted things in your body as a result from the crash.

>>730743134
>Semantics mean I am right
Alright dumbfuck. If you don't have a dollar, but I say you could have a dollar in the future, how many dollars do you have?

>>730744296
So if I flush a human shit that's morally inept, right?
It's an embryo made by a human. It doesn't mean it's human

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>>730738622
Because women want to whore around and not deal with the consequences. This society has made a habit of ignoring accountability and responsibility. This society is in decay.

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>>730743334
no no, you were alive because she was a slut. you were aborted because she was a dumb poor slut that didn't listen in sex ed. also
>greentexting is all the rage nowadays

now for serious, I dunno that you're qualified to decided if other peoples lives are worth living. a mother may not either but i would default back to the "you need a good excuse to take away a persons right to control themselves" thing.

>>730743661
noooo i'm not arguing for the fetus, we're just all trying to tell you a fetus/embryo/whatever is a living organism classified as a HuMaN. it deserves no rights, even children do not have the rights of an adult. don't be a tard.

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>>730744153
The word he was looking for was fetus. I refuse to be a grammar Nazi.

>>730744297
The layman who don't study human biology don't. An embryo is an unborn human baby. Deal with it.

pro-life is boring, pro-death is funnier

>>730739221
After the child is born, it's just called a murder, you can only abort a fœtus/embryo

An egg or sperm is only half the DNA so one could argue that it is only half human. With the fetus being aborted it is usually done before it can even think independently. It is technically just an extension of the body then so it should be fine to choose t remove it.

>>730744188
Exactly. Which proves why all you pro life fags are fucked backwards in the head

>>730743253

>without their consent?

choosing to have sex is consenting to the possible risks, just like every other privledge in our society.

"I know I was driving but i didnt CHOOSE to crash!"

>>730743197
>Edgy
That isn't even an edgy thing to say. Your insults are bad.

>>730744432
You're comparing waste to an organism. This is how low IQ liberals are.

By your retarded logic, you aren't human since you were made by humans.

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>>730744435
that pic is actually quite deep. i like it.

People that can't into birth control should be aborted tbqfh

>>730744494
I literally wonder how many faggots enjoying rekd threads on /b/ are pro-life.

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>>730738622
Week 10 or 11 is the abortion window,after that it can feel actual pain

>>730744269
Kys

>>730743253
>>730744561

Also incubators dont change the argument. most births dont require incubators and even then theyre still legally humans without them, just not for much longer.

>>730744560
Healthy people don't need meds.

>>730743908
You can tell the difference between a human sperm cell and one from an animal so what makes the sperm cell not human? Also, each sperm cell isn't just one cell.

If you point at a pregnant lady and say "look, 2 humans walking" everyone will look at you weird. Yes it's a human embryo but it's not a human yet. It has the potential to become a full fledged human, but it isn't yet. That's the point. When they do population counts of the planet they don't count pregnant women as 2. Your leg is a human leg but it isn't counted as a full fledged person either if it's cut off.

Do you get the point now are you going to continue to be autistic`?

>>730744550
>After the child is born, it's just called a murder
except in china :D

>>730744618
No, neither downies or niggers. Other than that it's all good.

>>730743518
>legally
le·gal·ly
ˈlēɡəlē/
adverb
1.
in a way that conforms to or is permitted or required by the law.
"the weapons were purchased legally"

>>730739023
So it's fine to shoot you in the brain stem then?

>>730744619
I'm heavily conservative and educated.
The concept is whether or not a fetus is alive in the same way a mushroom is vs alive like a human.
Pro tip, it's not like
a human
>>730744619

>>730744686
you first

>>730744444
too late - its spelled "foetus"

>>730740984
Tell that to Angela Merkel

I said that it would technically be only half human as it has half the chromosomes

>>730738622
too many humans on this planet to for it to support us, humans suck, religion is fucked, kids suck, who cares? life is pointless and entropy is inevitable.

>>730744811
I assume you're not concerned for the life of nature , of course. Which is why I used shit as an equivalent exchange

>>730738622
Yeah my question is why anyone would think the first row deserves personhood and the rights of a literal clump of cells trump hose of a fully grown woman who doesn't want to shove an actual baby out of her vagina, potentially tearing her open and requiring the taint to be stitched back together?

>>730744698
>legally
why does a foetus have the right to use somebody elses uterus without consent?

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>>730744436
> I dunno that you're qualified to decided if other peoples lives are worth living. (green text just for you)

The mother ha NO right to murder a child. This was never about the mothers "right" to thing. Hedonists are the only ones who would make such a pathetic argument. If some one feels their life isn't worth living they blow their own heads off. However they should be given the chance to make a break for it.

We should just purge prisons to deal with overpopulation

>>730744833
Ah so it isn't retarded enough to tell others what to think, you have to tell them how to spell too?
PROTIP: There can be two correct spellings of the same word because...
MINDFUCK: Words' spellings are not objective and corrections are literally an argumment from population fallacy.

>>730741282
Is this actually your fucking argument?

They might not get adopted so we should murder them?

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>>730744332

Because they are trying to save human life, not end it.

also

>comparing a car wreck injury to a pregnancy

pic related

>>730743352
What's wrong with killing them before they can even comprehend that they're living?

A fetus doesn't have any wants or desires. It can't think. They dont care if they die.

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>>730744833
Pretty sure my Quads top your dubs bro.

>>730738622
It's human because it's a white fetus. Aborting non-white children is fine.

>>730744741
Pretty sure it's not abortion either (it's 謀殺 after looking it up)

>>730744990
>murder
>You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Oh, irony.

(Murder is unlawful. Abortion is not.)

>>730738622
Because abortion allows you to tax affluent people so poor people can have sex

>>730744207
And you're arguing that everyone who crashes should die.

>>730739200
And what about the rights of the child's Father?

>>730744800
the thing with harlequin ichtyosis is legally a human. It can inherit, and shit. So? How is that relevant? A zygote is legally a human, cuz it can inherit too. But its far from being a human. If u call it legally a human, theres no distinction between them anymore?

>>730744550
It's double murder to kill a pregnant woman

>>730745099
see:
>>730745227

>>730743877
>>730743877

>Human Haploid cell
>Human Foetus
>human infant
>Human child
>Human adolescent
>Adult

URR HURR YOU DIDNT CALL IT A HUMAN ADULTS MUST NOT BE HUMAN THEYRE JUST TISSUE!

>>730744479
Well, if you actually payed attention in biology an Embryo is a great deal of cells developing into a living multi-cellular organism, and the term is not exclusive to human embryos.
...
>>730744990
Well, I mean, all things considered one does not have rights in the US prior to birth.

>>730745136
By this logic why don't you go ahead and unplug every vegetable around the world, Anon.
>B-babies n-never said they DON'T want to die
Fuck off

>>730739023
why is it wrong to gas 6 million jews, they wont even know "is dead" fuck off.

>>730744811
nigger, u fucked up. Foetus is alive. So is a fungus. Not all fungi r mushrooms. What isnt alive is a virus.

>>730740582
pics or you've never done it

>>730745276
He doesn't have to rip his asshole open forcing a baby out that he carried inside himself for 9 months as it devoured his nutrients like a parasite. He doesn't get a say yet.

>>730745059
And deny a future generation of the inevitable race war? Party pooper.

>>730744811
The fetus is alive once organs are developed making it function. This is basic post gestation. The heart even starts beating. You;re compare a human organism to a plant another far out logical leap.

>>730744720
You're still stuck to cells. A cell alone doesn't make an organism, a group of cell forming a tissue that forms an organ = living organism.

Your second statement is mundane. You know damn well that women technically has a baby in her womb.

You won't be making these dumb ass logical leaps and questions had you actually studied human biology.

>>730740573
Agreed.

You all better be adoptive or foster parents of several unwanted babies.
But I don't think any of you have any interest in the life of the actual human being who would be born, unwanted, per your demand.

>>730745276
What rights would those be?

>>730745367
Stop making us look bad and get your facts straight.

Killing kikes: GOOD
Killing babies: NOT GOOD

>>730744053

>If you kill somone unexpectedly its assault

Wrong you fucking retard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull

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>>730745227
Lobotomy was once seen as a great practice for the mentally disabled. We also used to think the earth was flat and jailed people who thought otherwise. See how far the "Cuz it's legal" argument really gets you? Not far because I'm not a child. It is murder.

>>730738622
I avoid having children at all costs even being perpetually single and enjoying it , not my problem and I have no position to decide.

>>730745348
I'm ok with this

>>730739115
it is pretty true, actually. we've basically fucked the earth, along with the animals on it...we're parasites feeding on our host, earth, and soon, it'll be fuckin dead.

>>730745276
MRA SJW Detected. Logic not found.

>>730745082
if theres "two correct spellings", its because retards like u couldnt handle the 1 and only correct 1, so side wheels needed to be added for spergs, so they r not excluded from communication.
So theres no difference between "therefore" and "therefor"?
>>730745154
pretty sure thats not how it works

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>>730738622
>Why is "the right" to abort any child you want a thing?

Because only a minority of people think life begins at conception. The laws are for everyone, not just you.

gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

>>730739740
no, it's not a child, but it's a fetus, a human fetus. faggot.

>>730738622
Population control keeps the economy in check, intercepts poverty and future unemployment. You also don't want more crowd until we can colonize some other planet reliably.

Also, it is better to have no child than one broken by your own volution because you didn't want or cared for it.

>>730745567
naw m8 youre just stupid. the earth is just a rock and no matter what us humans do its gonna keep floating around in space

>>730744669
Fish feel pain. Not that I'm arguing for late abortions, I'm just saying like adult cats and dogs and shit are worth more than babies.

>>730738622
Why is "the right" to bring about any human you want a thing? Consider the following:

The existence of pleasure/joy/happiness is "good". The absence of pleasure/joy/happiness is "bad" if and only if someone suffers from its absence.

The existence of suffering is "bad". BUT the absence of suffering is "good" even if there is no one to benefit from its absence. For example, if there was a way to guarantee that if A and B had a baby, the baby's existence would be nothing but EXTREME suffering, it would be good if A and B didn't have the baby, even though no one benefits from the absence. (note that it is difficult to argue that the "potential" baby of A and B is benefiting from this, since it does not even exist."

This is called the a-symmetry of pain and pleasure. From this a-symmetry we can conclude and formulate the following argument and statement.

1. There is no moral obligation to produce children.
2. There is a moral obligation not to produce unhappy children.
3. Abstaining from procreation can never be immoral.
4. Procreation is very likely to cause unnecessary suffering.
5. Thus, procreation is always immoral.

>>730738622
Because when something has no significant brain activity in the frontal cortex, we consider it "brain dead". Legally, you can kill a body under such conditions. There is no logical reason to treat a small body without consciousness or true emotion any different from an older body.

If you personally feel differently, that is fine. But your feelings don't constitute legislation. Especially if these stem from superstition or religious beliefs.
That is what it means to live in the free world. Get used to it.

>>730738918
We know. But we live in an age where people like this actually exist and nestle into the troll-nest, thinking they are high in numbers.

>>730744403

Human foetus ≠ nothing

>>730745706
>it was a toenail
>a HUMAN toenail!

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>>730745567
MRW Agent Smith was right.

>>730745291
My point was saying that you can't abort a child, not that you couldn't murder a fœtus

>>730740573
>Men should never hold a right to what a woman does with her body

So what if the pregnant mother decides to, say, go out drinking? By your logic, the father has no input into this situation.

Granted, yes, this principle of "my body, I do what I will," applies to everyone. But you really fail to draw the line at when such individuals wish to engage in self-destructive behavior. And when that behavior starts to affect other individuals directly, there is some responsibility on a third party or individual to intervene.

As for abortion, I'd say limit it to cases where necessary and give the father some power in the abortion process.

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>>730745706
Not everyone holds that personal opinion, faggot.

>>730745376
But you can kill a virus

>>730744982
see
>>730744982

>>730745348
Not the same anon, but, yeah I'm actually pro this.
They're a drain on every kind of resource, even moreso than a child ever could be. It's a body being kept alive usually for emotionally selfish and stupid reasons, let it die along with the brain that is already long gone.

Its too early to say whether its a human or not bc we dont know if its white or not

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>>730745870
>and give the father some power in the abortion process.

With power comes responsibility. If you want responsibility, you're in the minority.

>>730745870
That's something that should be taken up with law enforcement.
Abortion should always be allowed, there shouldn't be boundaries of reviewing it as a case by case scenario.

Also, not a man's body not a man's right to choose.

>>730745276
Nope, no man should ever have the right to demand that a woman carry and give birth to a child against her will. What, are they going to put her in jail? You know that would be unenforceable and just wrong.

>>730745870
The risk of abuse of male-rights in this regard outweighs the risk of simple shitty mothers.

If you want to look for legislation of this type, just look towards Saudi Arabia and the like.
Setting legal precedent for this kind of shit is a big no-no.

>>730745285
>A zygote is legally a human

No it isnt currently, thats why the abortion debate exists.

>If u call it legally a human, theres no distinction between them anymore?

its not legal "Humanhood" its "Personhood."

you realize more species than humans have legal personhood right?

>>730740653
You're fucking retarded if you think a fetus can think on a level that even remotely resembles this