I want to die

>>730564589
So then do it and stop bitching.

While I agree that the new show was a shitfiesta science is all about revising theories as new information is obtained. If we didn't do that we'd still believe the Earth is the center of the solar system.

I want to die, I dont fucking do it.

Do life until its completely unbearable

>>730564589
>OP has autism chromosomes
>denies gender bender chromosomes exist

>>730565205
>science is all about revising theories as new information is obtained

except this is not what is happening. bill nye is no scienctist. he's a pretend scientist with a mechanical engineering undergraduate degree.

What IS happening is actual science is being replaced by cultural and political science.

>>730565420
He's ALWAYS been a TV personality, how is anyone surprised he's not reciting peer reviewed studies verbatim?

If you have some science to prove him wrong then please show it.

>>730564589
He NEVER said the thing on the left. It's from a fucking subreddit

>>730565740
came here to say this. it blows my mind that text + picture = fact these days.

three active bill nye threads on just the first few pages of /b/

how triggered can you people be?

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>>730565864
Right? It's fucking hilarious.

Antiscience cock gobblers.

>>730565740
>>730565697
>>730565864

Doesn't make it any less true. Gender dysphoria (gender identity disorder) is a mental illness in your brain.

source: actual science

http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2016/en#/F64.9

http://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)33906-0/fulltext

>>730566210
Look I'm not here to debate the issue. I'm just fucking sick of seeing this image shared like it means fucking anything.

>>730566399
>Look I'm not here to debate the issue
>>730565697
>If you have some science to prove him wrong then please show it.

now that you've been proven wrong you're not here to debate, right.

>>730565994
>the first few pages of /b/
>this newfag hasnt discovered the catalog yet
Wew

>>730566210
>2016/en#/F64.9
>This block includes a variety of conditions and behaviour patterns of clinical significance which tend to be persistent and appear to be the expression of the individual's characteristic lifestyle and mode of relating to himself or herself and others. Some of these conditions and patterns of behaviour emerge early in the course of individual development, as a result of both constitutional factors and social experience, while others are acquired later in life. Specific personality disorders (F60.-), mixed and other personality disorders (F61.-), and enduring personality changes (F62.-) are deeply ingrained and enduring behaviour patterns, manifesting as inflexible responses to a broad range of personal and social situations. They represent extreme or significant deviations from the way in which the average individual in a given culture perceives, thinks, feels and, particularly, relates to others. Such behaviour patterns tend to be stable and to encompass multiple domains of behaviour and psychological functioning. They are frequently, but not always, associated with various degrees of subjective distress and problems of social performance.

I don't see mental illness in there.

>S1743-6095(15)33906-0/fulltext
>The etiology of gender identity disorder (GID) remains largely unknown.

Or there.

>>730566540
>newfag

i've been here since last summer faggot. i'm an oldfag now. /\ /\ /\ triforce

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>>730566535
Lol, dumbshit, different person.

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>>730566850
>The American Psychiatric Association, publisher of the DSM-5, states that "gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder.

>>730567195
american psychiatric association != world health organization

>>730567195
Exactly, thank you.
The problem isn't that the girl feels like she is a boy, the problem is that she has depression and self-hate because her body does not fit what she feels it ought be. You treat the depression and self-hate, sometimes by taking steps to help the transition to something that feels more natural.

All listed disorders are only "disorders" when that thing is causing a problem in your life/safety.

>>730567432
W.H.O. listed it as a "Disorder of adult personality and behaviour" but you ignored that.

>>730564589
This jackass has fallen so far...

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>>730567581
It's a fucking disorder it's NOT NORMAL how many times do you degenerates have to be told this.

>>730564589
Good.

>>730564589
A science guy updating his ideas to be in line with new research.

Or what you Amerifags call "flip-flopping".

>>730567720
Spelled wrong. Your case is sagging.

>>730567900
newfag

>>730567720
But wasn't it a mental illness just moments ago? Now it's only a disorder?

A broken arm is NOT NORMAL, are you going to go protest broken arms?

>>730567998
read
>>730566850

disorder and illness are the same thing.

>>730568129
They're comparing mental and physical illnesses or disorders.

Reading comprehension one oh one bby

Science is a bitch. It fucking sucks. Every now and then some really useful and interesting shit comes from it, but the majority of "science" is useless bullshit that will get lost in the mountains of other useless papers. Maybe you'll get a citation or two from someone making some other useless bullshit that relates to your useless bullshit.

Too many people regard "science" and "scientists" the same way religious folks regard gods and priests.

Learn to look at the evidence/facts and think for your self folks. Learn to read journal articles your self and evaluate/review what they say your self to form your own thoughts. Not what some TV personality or internet writer tells you.

That being said ... I still love me some bill nye. Wouldn't be where I am probably if it wasn't for watching his show when I was a kid.

You don't help people with schizophrenia by enabling their discord with reality. Don't see why people think you should do a complete 180 when it comes with gender identity disorder's discord with reality.

sure are a lotta whiney faggots itt.

let's see, on the left in op's pic is him explaining physical gender. neat. on the right, he's explaining mental state of identifying one's gender (not how you're either born a man or woman, rather how you feel). neat.

yet hardly anyone can get it. just see bill nye and go apeshit. fucking epic around here lately in regards to raging autism.

>>730568939
You're comparing apples with oranges anon. Schizophrenia can make you suffer from delusions that cause you to physically harm yourself, and those around you. Gender dysphoria does not do that.

>>730569189
Are you trying to claim that mutilating your body is not physically harming yourself? We don't even have to talk about the ones done by doctors to "help" them, some of them harm themselves because they think their body is wrong and disgusting. Then there's the suicide, among many other things.

It's almost like you don't know anything and are talking out of your ass.

>>730569346
The same poor souls that you're concern trolling will be supporting your right to legal assisted suicide, if you ever get the balls to do it.

>>730569346
The easiest cure for that is to just let them live out their "delusion". With schizophrenia you can get voices urging you to kill yourself and those around you, as an extreme example. People suffering from gender dysphoria don't.

>>730569556
>Smack a bitch with logic
>Waahh trolling, go an hero
Sounds about right. Going to go to sleep after another stunning example of me being right and some other random idiot being wrong.

>>730564589
>I want to die
Don't fret.
You will.
Eventually.

>>730569716
>get's BTFO
>b-b-b-but you didn't answer my retarded question!!
>i-i'm leaving g-g-uys you're no f-f-f-fun any more.
>i'm secretly sticking around to see what you reply with.


ANyway, faggot, I'm not the guy you were flirting with, so check yourself before you wreck... oh you already did.


SAGE

>>730567566
Actually, that is the problem. She feels like a boy even though she is not. That is denial of perceived reality. Would you be considered insane if you suddenly decided that your left leg shouldn't be there, because you feel like a one-legged guy?

>>730564589
Joke's on you. You're already dead. Welcome to Hell. Every time you die in Hell, it gets worse, you descend a level and live there. Isn't Hell great.

>>730569847
No, what if my left leg is an asshole? With if I just don't like the way it looks?

I mean, people stab needles into and through every part of their body for purely aesthetic reason, why not let someone chop their dick off?

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>>730564589
Just like sexual preference based on age is also on a spectrum. It's only natural for a certain small percentage of the population to be attracted to 8 year olds and it happens in nature across nearly all species as well.

>>730569933
If they want to chop off body parts on their own dime, I have no problem with it.

But if someone feels as if their leg shouldn't be there because, as I said, he actually feels like a one-legged guy, then that someone is fucking crazy. That doesn't mean that he shouldn't be able to amputate his leg if he himself pays for it. But as I said, it does mean that he is insane.

Also, this is different from doing it for aesthetic reasons.

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>>730570032
>mfw OP really started the conversation to justify his pedophilea

>>730570136
>on their own dime
Are you being put out paying for all these sex changes?

What if someone wanted to chop their dick off for pure aesthetic reasons?

>>730569847
>Would you be considered insane if you suddenly decided that your left leg shouldn't be there, because you feel like a one-legged guy?
I remember reading an article about a guy that actually chopped off his leg because of this. Interesting shit.

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There are people here right now that unironically believe Gender is a spectrum.

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>>730570474
Me, for example. Are you maybe thinking of sex?

>>730570474
>There are people here right now that unironically believe policing an anime image board with their puritanical view on other's personal choices isn't just a meme.

>>730570341
I live in Sweden, so yes, I pay for the madness through taxes.

>>730570614
>Gender
>Choice
Choose one

>>730566210
>implying that behaviours are categorically healthy or unhealthy, and that prescriptive social norms (i.e. whether we should accept this behaviour) should be based on these arbitrary categories
>implying that gender dysphoria answers everything relating to the debate about gender
>implying that critical analysis is not a fundamental aspect of the scientific method, and that there is not a buttload of debate around this topic at the moment

>implying that the lifetime prevalence rates of mental disorders for Americans were not around 50% in 2004 (according the CDC)
>implying that the fact that gender identity issues can be described as a mental disorder means that it either shouldn't be taken seriously, or that it is objectively bad

i dunno if you were actually thinking any of this, but presenting two studies to summarise an active area of research seems a bit silly. I've seen research that suggests that there are biological bases for gender dysphoria, so you could argue that it is totally natural, even though it is currently described as a mental disorder.

>>730570725
You can't afford your pornhub subscription and that third serving of chikun nuggies because of all the sex changes you're paying for?

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>>730570785
I just chose to change my gender to female and back to male.

Prove me wrong.

>>730564589
did you just delete make another thread with this same topic elaborating on how you wanted earlier?

Or are there really so many people who care about a no budget no one cares netflix "show" to kill themselves over it

>>730570788
Curious if schizophrenia is "natural"

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>>730570869
Saying something doesn't make it true

>>730570725
Maybe you should blame the doctors and the scientific community that prescribe the operations.

>>730570869
I don't need to, your genetic makeup didn't alter in the slightest.

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>>730570984
Prove it's not true.

>>730570993
I know genetic and gender both start with gen, so you'll easily be confused about this, but gender isn't based on genetics.

>>730571042
Prove it is or else it's just an argument from ignorance

>>730570932
1) yes, because everything is natural
There is no 2 because humans aren't being born with man made schizophrenia.

>>730571164
Prove god is real.

or Fuck off.

>>730571123
That is your claim

>>730571123
are you for fucking real?

>>730571189
I can't, that's my point. Saying "prove he's not" would be an argument from ignorance

>>730571164
What proof would satisfy your arbitrary metric for what I am capable of identifying as?

>>730570474

Gender and sex are not the same thing anon

never have been

Did you take spanish in school?

You know how you can make all those words masculine or feminine and it doesnt mean the subject has a dick?

Thats gender

Sex means you have a dick

Two different words -- always has been

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>>730564589
take some niggers and jews with you

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>>730571233
Oh shit, we have an antiscience here.

>>730564589

You act like scientist's can't change their mind. Picture how it was when Einstein's theory of general relativity was proven? Totally flipped shit for ever one.

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>>730571284
You can say whatever you want yourself to be but it doesn't mean you are that thing. I can say I'm a cow, but I'm not a cow.

>>730571247
Define real.

>>730571275
So he can change his mind of his gender, and you don't believe him, but you want proof?
I just thought of killing my farther. How can I prove this?
I like listening to Stone Roses, no changed my mind, Lady Gaga, you can not prove anything that comes from within a person. It's just a beliefe. I'm not saying you are right, or wrong.

What I'm kinda saying is, people should just shut the fuck up about gender, if you personaly have a problem don't fucking shout about it, go get help. Go do what you want to do, I dont give a fuck, 90% of the population wont give a fuck. If you shout the 10% will pick up on it, then the news will, then you are just creating attention because you're a cunt.

>>730571446
>I'm a cow

teets or GTFO

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>>730564589
https://youtu.be/Wllc5gSc-N8
Why you no post the video op. This shit is so fucking fucked up it would make most people's want to a hero

>>730570032
there is barely anything in common with gender identity and sexual attraction to young children

These days, nonconformity to gender norms is largely to to conservatism, moral outrage, etc. -- who actually cares if someone wants to behave differently to what is expected of someone with their specific genitalia?

However, pedophilia is taboo because it involves the exploitation of the vulnerable -- children of that age cannot fully (emphasis on FULLY, people have trouble with this) understand the implications of a sexual relationship, so cannot give fully informed consent. Underage sex is therefore legally, ethically, and morally wrong (versus the solely moral objections to gender nonconformity).

>>730571450
I meant your thought deceleration on the subject that this thread was on about, not your physical body.
You pedantic fuck.

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>>730565099

He had a master plan...

..and checked!

>>730571446
>gender is made up
>but you're not allowed to make up your own
>or apply our made up gender to yourself "incorrectly"

>>730571479
They should get help not seek attention. The attention seekers should be shot

>>730570725
Found the fake swede

How many sex changes in sweden a year fake swede? how much does the goverment pay for them?

>>730571555
I never said gender is made up
Second two points correct

>>730564589
It's not the first time he's changed his mind to reflect reality. He changed his stance on GMOs after learning more about them.

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>>730571479
>It's just a beliefe[sic]. I'm not saying you are right, or wrong.

>What I'm kinda saying is, people should just shut the fuck up about gender

Exactly! My gender has absolutely no effect on your life, so shut the fuck up about my gender.

>>730571561
Kinda what I said, and yes I agree.

But I was not saying help in a way of "you are wrong, you are a man" I do believe that they feel strongly that they could be a women trapped in a mans body, the brain wiring is/can be fucked up. This is what I meant by help.
Not a pray the gay away camp or shit like that.

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>>730571518
REEEEEEEEEEEE
WTF is wrong with people?

>>730571479
The vast amount of trannys just want to live their lives... you are conflating 40 gender tumblrinas & the people use see being amplified on breitbart & similar sites

>>730571553
Then your question is disingenuous.

>>730571602
Gender is made up.

>>730571645
Oh... They should just be shot or something
>>730571924
But it's an established concept... Everything is made up

>>730571636
Agreed, was that meant to be offensive towards me?

If not:
Agreed, they should shout the fuck up.

If it was:
Ok, then shut the fuck up yourself bringing up the subject, if you see the subject, shut the fuck up, just shut the fuck up. I'm straight and you don't hear me bitching about it.

>>730571750
I'm not inflating anything.
I'm just saying the ones who complain to a point of getting on t.v should be shot.
I do not agree with hate or violance against them, they should be treated the same as the next person, but most the time they act out, because they are different, and bring it on themselves. Basically attention whors.
"Oh look at me, I used to be a man"
Just shut the fuck up and do what you are doing.

>>730571908
Like I give a fuck.

Kill all the gays and the faggots

>>730571750
Then you have people like Riley J Dennis that should be purged with fire and the thing is I'm seeing more ond more like this damn autist

>>730571987
>>730571987
>I'm just saying the ones who complain to a point of getting on t.v should be shot.

Who are these people anon?

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>>730571984
>But it's an established concept... Everything is made up
f-fuck the e-e-e-establishment

>>730571924
Male
Female
These are two genders
There are hermaphrodites, this does happen in nature within animals as well as plants. This is proven science.

>>730572021
This guy, what a cunt.

>>730564589
the fucking pro sjw, everyone can be mayonnaise if they want, song made me loose all respect for Bill Nye.

>>730570932
The issue I had with the "mental illness" accusation is that it is (apparently) attempting to discredit any acceptance of gender nonconformity by labelling as "abnormal", "bad", or "illness", based on its description as a mental disorder.

Having a mental disorder does not make you a better or worse person, nor does it mean your problems are fake or trivial. The fact that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder is not relevant to this discussion.

I don't even know why I'm here, the whole debate about gender is just lots of people arguing whether a grey phenomenon is actually black or white, and this thread is like a dumbed down version of the larger debate.

>>730571987
>was that meant to be offensive towards me?
No.

>>730571987
>Like I give a fuck.
Do you?

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>>730571518
It's shit like this that has made me lose all hope. Let's just get it over with

>>730571184
> because humans aren't being born with man made schizophrenia

That said, it IS possible for a normally non-schizophrenic individual to give themselves schizophrenia-like symptoms, usually through chemical means.
Since it is treated the same way as schizophrenia, the patient is considered to have schizophrenia.

So yeah... I guess an outside stimulus (such as the media or social networks) could produce symptoms of gender dysphoria in subjects who would not normally have those feelings

>>730571578
Jag fejkar inte min vän. Jag bor faktiskt här.

Sweden has way less than 100 ops per year, I think, but it's still something I pay for. And they cost about 2 million kr each in total.

>>730572099
You are confusing sex and gender.

>>730570991
I do

>>730572077
lmao yes! And there it is

All this drama is being stirred up by a few select people who say stupid shit that then gets spread around by all these other sites

Riley is not a real world transexual.. Its a dude in a dress not even trying

Getting them youtube views and "fame" based off all these other people spreading their videos around

>>730571987
>I'm just saying the ones who complain to a point of getting on t.v should be shot.
>I do not agree with hate or violance[sic] against them,
wut nigga? they should be shot? Change the channel.

>>730572092
The people you see on the news bitching about how they were unfairly treated. Yes it's going to happen, take the people who unfairly treated you to court, but do not expect the courts to change the laws for you. We do not care, the world does not care, about you, about them. You are one in 8 billion.
I do not care if you live or die as you do not care if I do.
You have no more rights than me or the person in the next town (dependent on the country you live in).

Do not expect privileges, do not expect to be accepted by the majority, unless you have a fuck tone of money.
In which case you can do what you want, even kill people with your car and get away with it.
Doesn't make you a strong person, just makes you an attention whore.

>>730572203
It's the same thing my man

>>730564589
You know that the statement on the left is overly simplified because it's from a children's show and there are people who actually have genitals from the other sex than what their chromosomes are or have both genitals, right?

>>730572106
>>730570932
When I hear people seriously pushing the mental illness thing all i think is:

Mental Illness is protected by the ADA

If it's a mental illness you can't fire them for being trans and you have to make "reasonable accommodations"

Seems like a win

>>730572106
>gets it

>>730572183
toxoplasma gondii can give you schizophrenia it's an amazing parasite that has infected 1/3 of the world's population and has the ability to rewire the nurons in your brain
http://dujs.dartmouth.edu/2010/05/rewiring-the-brain-insanity-by-parasite/#.WQBxNstOlnE

>>730572292
look them up in the dictionary bud. They arent. Why would we have two words that mean the same thing?

>>730572361
Huh...

Well, that'd suck.

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>>730572148
Wow, someone worked so hard at that.

>>730572378
Because language is an emergent construct and not always logical?

>>730572292
They've never been the same thing.

People just never bothered to look it up in the dictionary.

Gender has always specifically referred to the social roles/norms that are usually correlated with sex.

>>730572183
>or solar flares while in the womb.

>>730572203
Same thing fucknut.
Wood and tree
Water, river
not completely the same concept but two words, same meaning, fuck me the IQ of /b/ astounds me, but you never know if it's bait or not.
Next time try replying with a full answer, not just a shitposting one-liner with no proof of concept or forethought.

>>730572263
They are just another animal at the end of the day, like you. Get over yourself.
You can shoot them if they are ever shown on t.v. That should be a law.

>>730564589
I was excited for a science show, but it's all just pro-liberal bullshit. I'm a liberal, but I just don't want someone's political agenda being shoved down my throat under the guise of entertainment.

>>730572281
So why exactly are you singling out trans people for so much virulent word diareah when your problem seems to be with complainers?

In your world is there an army of trannys on TV talking about rights and opression that you cant get away from them?

Note that I said TV. Not your buddy linking you to Riley's latest youtube -- thats you going looking

>>730572292
The scientific community by and large disagrees with you.

>>730572453
>always
Don't use words that you don't know the definition of

>>730572434
It's pretty amazing in a scary way. It's been known to make people's engage in risky behavior. Become anti social and all kind of wierd shit

>>730572378
....yes while we are being retarded, why use the same word for different things?

>>730572532
The "gender science" community

>>730572281
People seem to care a hell of a lot because they're actively trying to suppress and terrorize the LGBTQAttackHellicopter community.

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>>730571518
WTF did I just watch. I can't believe bill nye was the host of that. It was horrible

>>730572495
>Either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
- Oxford Dictionary

>a subclass within a grammatical class (as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms
-Merriam-Webster

No need to thank me.

>>730572628
Which happens to be most psychologists, doctors, sociologists etc. etc.

>>730572448
>statement that both proves and disproves my point

>>730572448
Language is effiecient

Words that are not needed are forgotten

We have not maintained two separate words for the same thing for centuries

ffs look it up in a 100 year old dictionary if you think its changed but you seem to be saying what is very easily disproven by going to m-w.com

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>>730572495
>They are just another animal at the end of the day, like you. Get over yourself.
Edge.

>You can shoot them if they are ever shown on t.v. That should be a law.
not sure if serious.

>>730572495
>Wood and tree
>Water, river
in your world these mean the same thing anon?

>>730572495
> tree
A living organism comprised of a woody trunk with branches and leaves

> wood
Dead trees used for construction, burning and smacking small animals over the head with

> water
Wet stuff comprised of 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen atom

> river
A flowing body of water. Often confused with an estuary by idiots.

Not quite the same despite the same base... otherwise we wouldn't differentiate between a river, a lake, or a puddle.

Same with sex and gender. Different things or there wouldn't be a need for different words.

>>730572590
Sounds kinda like that parasite that gets into fish and makes them throw themselves at birds so they get eaten.

Nasty shit, man.

>>730572756
But I have a dictionary from 1946 here and it says it's the same thing.

>>730572529
No, the complainers only complain when the trans complain, they do not listen, they do not understand that "humans" are set in their ways and will not accept who they are.
So they start shouting, bitchin, making things worse for themselves, then end up on t..v saying they got assaulted or treated like a third rate person. That's because they were acting like one.

I personally have no issue with anyone, any gender, and religion until they start shouting and kicking and screaming about how the rest of the world treats them.
They know what to expect.
So.
Just shut the fuck up and sort out the issues and problem peacefully and calmly, not like a fucking drama queen.

Also, we are on /b/, and I have nothing better to do, and I can't play a musical instrument.

>>730572698
The first lines, what was that describing? I see you conveniently missed it out.
Again your second paragraph, no actual source of what word is being described.

>>730572815
Humans are animals. Look it up.
Yeah, fuck it why not.

>>730572825
Wood comes from trees, rivers (natural water flowing) are flowing water.
Sex is the sex of a animal
Gender is also another word used to describe the sex.
That's persons gender is male, meaning they have male reproductive organs.
That persons gender is female. She has female reproductive organs.
No replace the word gender with sex.
It's not fucking difficult to understand.

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This thread makes me miss the simpler times , before all this shit..

>>730573062
>Look it up.

Look up edgelord.

>>730572949
lmaoooo

sure it does anon

I actually looked it up in a 1912 Merriam Webster earlier to make sure nothing had changed

>>730572725
Surely most doctors do not study gender issues.

>>730573157
What did it say?

>>730572867
You do realise you used the wood wood in the description or tree, and tree in the description of wood and so on.
Well it's been fun /b/.

>>730573130
Again another shitopst with no logic or reason.
Summer is a comin'.

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>>730572942
Ever hear of Ophiocordyceps also known as the zombie mushroom? Say an ant eats it it then grows inside the and taking over it's nervous system then when it's ready it makes the ant climb to the highest spot it can find and latch on then it kills the and and sprouts a mushroom out of it's head and drops it's spores to repeat the process

>>730573062
Here is what I was quoting
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gender
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender?utm_campaign=sd&utm_medium=serp&utm_source=jsonld

>>730573206
I realise that. Did you read and understand the whole description or did you just see 'wood', giggle to yourself, and stop there?

>>730573206
>Again another shitopst with no logic or reason.
You're being an edgelord. No one needs to look up if humans are animals, and no one needs to get shot for being on TV.

Only thing summer in here is your puss box cleaner.

>>730565420
>What IS happening is actual science is being replaced by cultural and political science.

nah, son. what IS happening is that we're observing gender to be a social construct based in some part but not entirely on physiological sex.

that said i don't trust anyone under ~25 who thinks they're a squirrelkin transcopter snowflake. their brains aren't even fully developed yet.

>>730573062
>Wood comes from trees, rivers (natural water flowing) are flowing water.
I mean.. Are you a troll? If the words meant the same thing this sentence wouldn't make any sense

We are abundantly aware that people use gender and sex interchangeably when in fact they are not -- this is the whole point of the discussion

You can look the words up in the dictionary?

Usually the line is that feminists have changed the defintion of gender.. no one is dumb enough to keep arguing that the modern dictionary says that they are the same thing?

>>730573167
Yes they do. At least in my country doctors get a course in pretty much everything. If you want to specialize, its several years more.

>>730573284
Being an ant would suck...

I remember hearing about one that infects snails and turns them into a living lava lamp. Shit must be excruciating.

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I am a potato and im sexually attracted to bagels now.

>>730573413
I have to admit, that's a sexy bagel.

Am I a bagelsexual now?

>>730573413
Welcome to /b/

>>730572343
Still mentally ill retards. They shouldn't be given anything besides therapy and meds to make them not insane

>>730573407
>I remember hearing about one that infects snails and turns them into a living lava lamp

Leucochloridium

>>730573413
i want a bagel

>>730573498
Why, when gender reassignment is cheaper and more efficient?

>>730573498
Not sure how this relates to what I said

The end result of your argument

is that you shouldn't be able to fire trans people for being trans

and

they can piss where they want as a reasonable accomodation

This is all that mainstream trans are asking for

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>>730573413
No good... looks like a pre-used roastie.

I'm going to stick to my super sexy glazed donuts. Nice and sticky, just enough brown, and 1 is never enough

>>730573392
That's not what I said. Nor what the guy I quoted said. I took an economics course in university, but I am not in the "economics community".

>>730573552
>cheaper
They still have to stay on hormones their entire life that isn't cheap

>>730573552
It's expensive and mutilation. They will never be the opposite gender just a crude joke of a facsimile

>>730573515
Yeah...
I remember the symptoms but I'm shit with names.

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>>730573633
japanese purple sweet potato pie

>>730573655
He was arguing that only doctors in the "gender science" community agree with sex and gender being to distinctively different things, whereas I argued that mostly all of them do, regardless of the community. I see no problem here.

>>730573679
Its much cheaper than endless medication and therapy. Most trans people don't even do the surgery, just eat hormones.

>They will never be the opposite gender just a crude joke of a facsimile
If they're fine with that, where is the problem?

>>730567998
Yes but we immediately correct broken arms because they too are NOT NORMAL

>>730572148
this is bullshit though

a transgender woman behaving and thinking like a cisgender woman =/= a VW Beetle functioning and looking like a Mercedes Benz

also, in response to the sexuality thing: are people attracted to the .9999 (e.g. the genetic sex of someone's liver cells, bone marrow, etc.), or are they attracted to the .0001 (as described by the image) that can be changed ,i.e. appearance and behaviour? The whole debate about whether its gay to like traps is stupid anyway, perhaps its neither 100% straight nor 100% gay if you're attracted to people that look like women but have a penis -- who really cares? Who cares what you want to jerk off to, as long as its legal I guess

>>730573672
estrogen pills or whatever are actually super cheap whereas therapy is 150 per weekly session

Its what actually works that matters though there are no "meds" that makes them not "insane".. The gender surgery is what they currently see the best option -- its still not a good one. There isn't really a great option

It's honestly shocking to me that we are sitting here talking about hormones and shit. And that I see people talking about trannys all day everyday.. helcopters, milo, riley etc . There are very few trans in this world as a % of population

They lead shitty short lives

Everytime i hear about one -- its not from one of them -- its someone making fun of a tumblrina, or posting 40genders memes, or trolling -- and fuck sake if i dont hear about it 10 times a day -- never from an actual trans person

>>730574096
The trannies make you gay thing is a troll.

Of course being fooled into fapping to the opposite gender doesn't make you gay.

>>730574201
same gender*

>>730573380
Found the faggot looking for acceptance

>>730574096
Im gay

traps and trans are gross (to me)

Not gay

>>730574096
Its not bullshit though. And if you argue with me I'll cum in your ass cause you're wrong