What are /b/tards like according to 8values ? https://8values.github.io/

Hey comrade, are you lost?

>>730513967
fucking pleb

>>730514171
What do you mean lost?

>>730514245
fuck off fag

yay a dead thread

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43, white hetero male

>>730515324
damn your an ultra liberal

>>730513967
Why "equality" is labelled with a weighing scale, when the weighing scale is a common symbol of justice

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>>730513967

>>730515943
dont fucking ask me i didnt make the site

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>>730513967

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I'm disgusted in myself.

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>>730513967

I really hate you cunts I really fucking do

>>730516314
salty bitch

>>730516589
Don't you have homework to do, junior?

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>>730513967

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I'll still vote Republican 99 percent of the time. Democratic Party is fucked beyond repair.

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this.

>>730516786
No but I have Juden to gas

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comrades, hello

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=54.5&d=27.6&g=34.8&s=42.8

oy vey

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Yep

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Wow all of you are faggots

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plz describe me, I want to know your opinions

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>>730518034
No real person holds these views desu

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>>730515324
>>730515648
"Libertarian Socialism"

>>730518034
g8 b8 m8

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Fuck off commies

'Oppression by corporations '
what.

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>>730518162
How can people be real if our eyes aren't real?

>>730518088
white 24 middle class non religious . kinda a hippie who likes science

>>730518088
You misunderstand that capitalism is an extent of Liberty and think just because there are some bad fat cats that they should all be punished for their success and large contribution to society.

I'm not on my home computer so I won't use images. But I got
56% for Equality
53% for Pacifism
66% for Liberty
58% for Traditional
I still got liberal somehow.

>>730513967
pleb tier

>>730518480
wow... hum... quite accurate 22, white, more Punk than Hippie I guess, I like science y

wp comrad

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>>730515324
"libertarian socialism"
>top kek

>equality
>on /b/ translates to bunch of weedhead hippies want productive people to "pay for me"

>>730516090
top tier

>>730514250
>https://8values.github.io/
exactly what i got lol

>>730518674
nice

>>730518482
I don't rly trust in capitalism even if I like the way we live with it, I guess that businesses are too heavy with all their money and can easely control markets with it. don't you think?

>>730518034
hahahah laissez faire and ultra-militarist doesnt even make sense

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Fucking commie motherfuckiers
You all need a free helicopter ride

>>730517492
>libertarian communism
that sound dumb like pacifist fascism

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>>730513967

>>730513967
Dem fucking biased as hell options.

You either believe in equality or wealth? It's like they don't believe it's possible to create value. The world isn't a big pie and everyone takes a slice. By working together you create more pie. Wealth can create equality because when there's enough pie everyone eats their fill. If you focus on dividing up what you have instead of producing more then you create artificial scarcity which leads to an elite class hoarding what little they can when people refuse to produce due to the "injustice" of not receiving their fair share

You either believe in might or peace? Since the dawn of time and forever after in the future peace will only exist BECAUSE of might. If we aren't fighting other humans we're fighting nature. Do you think there was peace when we were constantly on the run from tigers and bears? It was MIGHT that allowed us to beat the bears back into their caves and reclaim our land.

You either believe in liberty or authority? Authority is necessary to PROTECT liberty. Who's to stop someone from kidnapping you and tying you up in their basement, denying you all of your civil liberties? Oh, yeah -- THE POLICE.

You either believe in tradition or progress? It's the tradition of the scientific method (now HUNDREDS of years old) that has ENABLED progress. Sure, some traditions are bad. And one day we may develop a better scientific method. But humans live and die by traditions. Every story you've ever read or every movie you've ever watched is just a re-telling of the epic of Gilgamesh. We're all about dem fucking traditions.

They make it seem like "equality, peace, liberty, and progress" are good with their positive words and light colors, then juxtapose them with demonizing words like "wealth, might, authority, and tradition". Let's try some REAL words like "value-creation, security, protection, and discovery" so that we realize this shit isn't mutually exclusive.

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Yeah, I guess

>>730516090
If you're not this, you're wrong

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>>730516221
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>>730516314
My freemans.

>>730519273
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>>730516925
"Liberal" doesn't mean "Democrat." The modern Democrat party is in no way liberal. Rand Paul is the most "liberal" congressman--he is a classical liberal in most senses.

>>730519273
>i don't understand how polling works

>>730518902
buisnesses are much more competitive with one another than any regulating force is given that same power. Regulation is reasonable once it infringes on the health and safety of non-consenting parties, but naturally the best at performing "x" activity rises to the top because they needed to out compete others. Only once monopoly is achieved do you have let off. Outside of that, the markets are created organically to the benefit of the masses.

>>730519273
go bitch at the website not this thread and the reason its a percent not one or the other is so you can be mainly be in libertys boat but then have some authority to protect you it isnt one or the other

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I don't care much for labels. If I had to describe myself, classic liberal/libertarian is about right.

I answered indifferently on anything to do with tradition, abortion, social norm, etc questions

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>>730513967
Liberalism bitches!

>>730519273
So much this.

In fact traditions are mutual knowledge and some rules leading to better society. Sometimes they aren't quite compatible with modern world, but that's why we should change them, well, evolutionary, not revolutionally, because process of evolution is making the best suitable solutions.

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look at my unique views!!

>>730515648
Also cuck

>>730519273
>>730519903
samefag looking for people to agree with his ignorance

>>730518446
You know stuff like stealing people's land or dumping chemicals into your drinking water, or even paying you less based on your skin colour.

>>730519273
>You either believe in equality or wealth
I was thinking the same.
what the fuck.
I was kicked out at age 18 right after HS with nothing but a car I bought and a thousand bucks. today I'm a co-owner of a shelving business and have projects all over one of the largest cities in the country.

yes, there are real needy/unable people out there. but that's a very, very small minority. there's really no reason in the world why someone cannot make it on their own.

1. save, save, save
dont buy unnecessary shit. its not that hard.

>>730513967
44.9
44.9
64.3
37.4

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>>730519988
Close, but literally 100% incorrect

>>730520111
you're wasting your time.

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>>730513967

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Wow, I'm fucking middle of the road.

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>>730513967

>>730520489
fuck off

>>730520245
Yeah I guess you're right if he can't understand in the first place he'll never get it by me explaining.

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>>730520111
>You know stuff like stealing people's land
just described government in the last.. i don't know.. since civilization has existed, maybe?

yet somehow corporations are more evil.
give me a break.

and before you ask, no i'm not an acap.
im this guy >>730520176
>>730519715

ITT: /pol/ shits their pants

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>tfw stalin wasn't that bad a guy

>> I like your progressiveness

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I think this is more or less the boilerplate mindset.

>>730520613
>stalin
>libertarian communism

my sides

>>730519273
To further my own opinion that this poll is bullshit, here's the JSON file for the questions:

https://github.com/8values/8values.github.io/blob/master/questions.js

Note some odd things about it. Like "All cultures should be treated equally" is a plus to progress instead of tradition, even though it has nothing to do with either -- the "golden rule" has been around for like 5000 years

Also "capitalism isn't as bad as people say it is" gives you points for tradition whereas "communism isn't as bad as people say it is" gives you points for progress

And let's not fail to notice that "equality, peace, liberty, and progress" are all positive on his scale and "wealth, might, authority, and tradition" are literally dictated by negative values.

This was obviously made by a liberal communist who sees the world in black and white and if you disagree with him you're a racist, homophobic, xenophobic asshole.

>>730520570
1 Never said they're more evil.
2 Governments were started and supported by the people. The majority rule and would support the idea of the government owning the land.

>>730520801
Yup. Pretty much the don't be a dick political ideology.

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>>730513967
Fuck people who can't get their shit together.

And fuck religion, too.

kachow ^^

>>730520986
>by the people
yeah no.
there's no such thing as this 'collective revolutionary' mass/majority that you're referring to.

a small minority has always ruled over a majority, whether ethnically, economically, or militarily.

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29 year old white man

>>730520905
>the "golden rule" has been around for like 5000 years
which explains with the crusades, everything murrika did to the indians, vietnam, and the muslim ban never happened, right?

>>730521146
hey baby

>>730521231
>a small minority has always ruled over a majority, whether ethnically, economically, or militarily.
hey there, fellow schizophrenic!

>>730518088
Pacifism is unethical.

>>730521388
hey there, mr. ad hominem who can't refute.
go back to your cesspit called antifa. did you do your daily LARP?

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we did it reddit

>>730513967
>https://8values.github.io/
I did this but it got me completely wrong. It told me i was a classical liberal.

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Am I a Libtard??

>>730521287
Funny that the crusades, everything murrika did to native Americans, Vietnam, and the Muslim ban all happened after the renaissance and scientific revolution.

And just because a rule exists doesn't mean that 100% of cultures around the world follow it religiously. During the crusades there were Buddhist monasteries in China denouncing war. During the conquest of America there were pacifists in Europe denouncing the intrusion on other lands and Japan closed its borders claiming that interfering with other cultures was a cardinal sin. During Vietnam there were hippies protesting the war. And now the Muslim ban has been a HUGE thing in the news with people up in arms about how it's unfair.

>>730521591
*YUGE

>>730521231
Riiiight you really think if you polled the majority of any major western nation that most people would agree that the government shouldn't own the land and that it should be 'given back to the people' Come on man it would be total anarchy and the majority do not want that.

>>730521287
>muslim ban


Fuck, I shouldn't feed the troll. But c'mon, 43/50 muslim majority countries not on "muslim ban".

And comparing the crusades and native american massacres to not letting some people into the US is fucking gr8b8 lol

>>730520905
Yet more hilarious bullshit:

https://github.com/8values/8values.github.io/blob/master/ideologies.js

Despite seeming like a generic and unbiased poll which ranks you on these four scales and those alone, they LITERALLY call you a Christian if you land on "60% equality/wealth, 60% peace/might, 40% liberty/authority, 30% progress/tradition"

>>730521287
Oh my fucking god do people still seriously believe that the crusades, the western conquest of the indians, vietnam and the so-called "muslim ban" werent justified?

>>730521591
I got in a little argument with someone on imgur today and it went something like this

>"Im an atheist and i think religion has been the worst thing in the world, influencing the most wars and caused the most deaths in history."

>So then youd agree that Islam is the reason why terrorist are killing people right? Because its in their religion

>"How dare you say that!? You are such a bigot etcetcetc!"

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Mah boi

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>>730521591
>And just because a rule exists
If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?

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>>730518034

I don't think we would get along very well.

>>730513967
I was in the process of taking it and noticed that there were 60 questions. I don't care what the program tells you, you're all nerds with too much time on your hands.

>>730522110
mah nigga

>>730522128
That's cuz he'd kick your ass while you prayed for peace or something. And then the rest of society that recognizes pacifism is retarded will have to kick his ass and both you extremist faggots will rot together.

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>>730521503
It says centrist dumb ass.
Which in all actuality despite the (at least American ) belief system you are inherently liberal for not leaning right is good to see.
Such ridiculous polarized terms for two sides of any issue. Yet being in the middle were general compromise is made is somehow deserving the chagrin of either.

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>>730513967
ok i guess

>>730520905
>"communism isn't as bad as people say it is" gives you points for progress
Well, maybe human extinction is progress.

>>730522162
Additionally, now I imagine the people who know nothing about what they talk about, thanks to this shit, is now given a stance that they think they should follow.

>>730516925
You do know the Democratic party is not neo liberals right

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Whats with all the people that think everything should be given? You guys do realize that (most, if not their parents worked hard to make theirs easier) people get rich from trying in life?

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Not even a /pol/ack

>>730521985
Religion is a plague. Islam is the worst.

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Liberal, in the modern right wing sense

>>730522372
Eurasian male, btw

>>730522359
Ever since the discovery of agriculture, people have preferred the boom-bust cycle. Makes centrists look like do-nothings.

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>>730513967

Take this shit with a grain of salt. First of all your results are worded in such a way it makes you feel like you identify with "socialism" and "liberalism" when half of your answers wouldnt reflect that way with normal language. Second the questions are pretty damn bias. As shown here >>730520905 and here >>730521932
Its algorithim really sucks

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>>730513967

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>>730513967
mine

>>730522491
>Whats with all the people that think everything should be given?
I think there's a large segment of society these days that thinks it's cool to sponge off everyone else and feel good about being smarter than wage slaves who essentially support them.

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Neo-liberalism. Sounds accurate. People say I'm right wing all the time but that's just because I'm not PC about things. In all honesty though I am very open minded to both sides' views as long as what they are proposing actually benefits the country and not just their party. I also believe in true equality, whereby we dispose of tribalism and treat everyone as just people instead of insisting that there groups that need to be protected from anything offensive.

>>730522659

>i got a result I don't like now I'm upset

ok

>>730522659
>>Take this shit with a grain of salt.
>>but my results are dead on
I'm >>730522110 btw.

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Libertarian sounds about right. I did pick neutral on a few that I didn't know enough about.

>>730522659
Send them an e-mail and tell them how fucked their test is, why don't you?

>>730522491
Amazing that with views like that you got centrist. Believing that hard work makes you rich is relatively far right ideology. Sound like your parroting something you read somewhere or that you were "taught" (indoctrinated with) in school.

Rich people are exploitative or lucky or both. Survivorship bias is the only reason it might look like rich people are hard workers. Plenty of poor hard workers too that die poor. Particularly if you're not white or male.

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sounds about right

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>>730517492
Hello comrade

>>730522536
Meh religion has come a far way. Without religion too, youd really have no basis for right vs wrong and people would just be animals. Humans are not good in nature and after religious reformations, morals became an actual thing. There is a difference between positive emotions for someone/love and doing good things vs not doing bad things to other people because you dont have that relationship with them. After religious reformation, these were kind of connected and it became a community of people helping you out. Religion created the underlining calues of western society (hence judeo-christian society/laws). Without it wed likely live under rule of a king making whatever laws he pleased. Heres a video for you to watch - Atheist Sam Harris vs Theist Dennis Prager in a debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elMi_IzlD40

>>730521395
cool because being ethical sucks

>>730522919
I make six figures post military service + free schooling and all of my certs. My family where farmers and started their own business and are well off.

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>>730513967

>>730523058
ants mostly don't kill those from their own nest, and when they do its to stop an infection to the hive. they do not have religion, they have nature.

>>730522599
Yes and I won't deny that had its hand in getting us to the modern day technologically and globally.
Now its some what a crutch to the general advancement of most of human kind. Alike to mass organized religious belief which more or less goes hand in hand.
A part of me thinks polarizing and general equal division of most is the scheme.

>>730522919
Don't confuse poor with the middle class. The majority of the poor are there because of personal life choices that have fucked them over. Even children of poor people can make something of themselves yet choose to continue being bottom feeders.

Middle class people often work hard but also live mostly comfortably as a result.

>>730522919
>Rich people are exploitative or lucky or both
That's a bit of a generalisation.

>>730522919
Nah youre just lazy and blame all your failures on cosmic injustice. Youd prefer to get money without working instead of seeing the fruits of your labor.

>Pulling down the strong do not lift up the weak

-Calvin Coolidge

>>730523149
How many babies did you have to kill to get free college? So you exploited people to get free schooling. Proving my point.

Fuck I can't do it. I'm ex-army. Just trying to get into the mindset of the communist retards on here.

>>730523333
Quads, eh?

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>>730513967
OP is autistic

>>730523058
Not only are right and wrong made up concepts, they are a massive handicap in the world of capitalism. You'll find the higher you go in any business the larger the percentage of sociopathic or psychopathic traits. Right and wrong don't apply to these people, only profits and goals, and they take full advantage of this.

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>all these liberals, socialists and weed smoking libertarians

so it really is true that you are the normie board

>>730523424
I just monitored ship coms. You know there are really good jobs in the military besides foot retard soldier?

>>730523367
I got left wing populism, but the thing is, the left, at least how they are now, kinda piss me off.

>>730522394
I guess now we know you're a communist

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Libertarian Socialist master race

>>730522226

>prayed

You really think that I'd be religious with those results?

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All you guys spooks me.

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>>730523489
I'm sure you've spent a ton of time with top corporate brass to develop these theories. I'm sure you didn't just read/watch some anti-capitalist propaganda and swallow it whole, for convenient regurgitation at times like these.

I'm sure.

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>>730523362
This.

>>730523525
That's fucking retarded. Do cows own their milk since they make it, or do the farmers? Then again, knowing socialists you're probably a vegan.

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>>730523571
Fine, replace "while you prayed" with "while you argued on the internet for peace and masturbated wearing your blac-block antifa face-diaper."

>>730523588
cuck anarcho-capitalist detected.

>>730523519
It wasn't like this in 2010. Used to be a lot of libertarians and classic liberals back then.

>>730523648

Higher rates of sociopathy and psychopathy in the corporate world are a well-established fact that has been studied scientifically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace

TLDR; Psychopathic traits are an asset in the corporate world.

>all these commies using Windows Ltda and/or posting from a Ipad
Kek.

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>>730523489
Whats your point? What isnt a made up concept?
>Money is a made up concept so communism is the only just system of society
>Forget all the people who are oppressed by it
>Forget the worse living conditions
>Forget the increase of corruption created by it

What people on your aisle fail to understand is corruption will always happen, but its able to limit. What do you think will have more corruption? A bigger govt where there is no accountability, more money being spent, more power -- or a smaller govt where power is distributed and there are less govt programs to use for fraud, etc?

>>730523648
You're gonna paint me an anti capitalist because why exactly? Capitalism works, my point was that lack of morals will get you further in such a world and ethics only serve to handicap those that prefer to be told what to do.

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Let's fucking privatize this commie thread.

>>730523479
The only reason this isn't 100% capitalist is because I vehemently disagree with certain issues.

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>>730513967
cool

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>>730513967
Hmm

>>730523058
You are a fucking idiot, I don't need god to threaten me to be nice or he'll put me in time out for all eternity. In case you don't know, athiests are much more moral most of the time, probably because we have brains.

>>730519273
You make some good points. But Authority still needs to have checks and balances to keep it from getting out of control, and to make sure that at the end of the day, if the people don't consent to the authority, they have the ability to overthrow it and start again. As Thomas Jefferson said "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

And I also agree with you about the Might part, so long as that Might doesn't turn into a dick waving, pissing contest (ex. Cold War) where everyone is trying to outdo each other and prove they have the biggest Might. I don't think we should be over in other countries protecting them from their shitty govts. or whatever else. We need to worry about our country first, fuck the other ones. They are a different country for a reason, they can deal with their own problems.

I also agree that humans are shackled to a lot of traditions, but we need to grow beyond the ones that punish non-conformity and push the herd mentality. A lot of humans are not the mindless sheep they are made out to be, and they need to act like it instead of clinging to stupid traditions.

As far as the wealth inequality, coporatons don't care about paying a fair wage, they want to pay you the least that they can while working you as hard as they can, while retaining their "right" to get rid of you at any time for any reason (aka "at will" employment). I'm a big supporter of workers rights and unions, that way workers have a way to stand up to their employer, and the employer is forced to actually do something instead of getting off with "Well if you don't like, go work somewhere else.

I'll say that I'm not a communist, I do believe that you have to incentivize creation and production or people just won't bother with it. But I also don't believe in a free market were corporations can get away with anything because they are "job creators".

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>>730523929
Yes you could argue everything is a made up concept if you wanted to. My point was this made up concept is nefarious, it's a lovely feel good sugarpill laced with cyanide.

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>>730517492
Hello, comrade!

>>730523945
You make the claim that the most effective forms of capitalism involve being deliberately psychopathic/sociopathic. You certainly aren't pro-capitalist. Are the capitalists who run fair-trade business or who push forward technologies that benefit humanity as a whole, sociopaths?

That like saying being a sociopath helps you get laid. Well, maybe, sometimes. But not always and not forever.

>>730523489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz1FGRm2oCU

This is a commie post, so heres an anti communist song for you fucks.

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i am smarter than most of you fags

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I'd like to say that the only reason i'm not more pro progress is because of the liberal degeneracy regarding human values.

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>>730523917
>rich people are all psychopaths and I prefer to be sane

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>>730524229
hello comrades

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LIBERTY POST! FREE THE MARKETS! FREE THE PEOPLE!

>>730523523
I grew up with the British definition of the left supporting working class values in a capitalist framework. No idea how it came to stand for an anarcho-communist matriarchy in such a short timespan, perhaps it's the influence of America coming to terms with traditional socialist principles and spazzing the fuck out.

>Liberty and Equality
>Capitalism and Militarism
This shit makes no sense.

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>>730523945
Morality is the fabric of any civil society. Capitalism without a moral and social structure cannot function. Private property cannot exist because anything belongs to anyone who has the strength of force to take it. Mutual economic agreements cannot take place because there is no moral framework. Capitalism can not exist without right and wrong.

>>730524303
sanity = poverty

That's what the global elite want you to believe INFO WARS DOT COM BILL CLINTON IS A SHAPESHIFT

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meh

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>>730523058
>Without religion too, youd really have no basis for right vs wrong
wtf? Nigga, you dumb.

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>>730513967
the fuck is this shit??

Commies on this Thread >>730523822

Capitalists on this Thread >>730524343

It seems as if /b/ is full of brain dead libtards. Who would've known? No way you could tell from the average /b/ thread or anything.

Visit /pol/ more often.

>>730524351
That's what I mean. I'm British myself. To be honest I'm not really full on right or left wing. I vote for whoever seems to benefit me the most at the given moment.
This "smash up everything and throw a hissy fit if the right wing win" style of leftism is a fucking joke.

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>>730513967
such a black and white bullshit with repetitive questions

>>730523058
Top. Fucking. Kek. Religon is responsible for all of our fucking problems and is about controlling the masses and money. Not about god or whoever the fuck.

>>730524517
Explain. Without religion, why is the value of a human no different than an ant? Wouldnt morality be completely subjective?

If you agree that morality is completely subjective, why should it be illegal for me to break into your car and steal your items?

You might not realize this, but your idea of right vs wrong, your values all sprout from these religious ideas of right from wrong. Your idea of the importance of religion in Western society has been so watered down from the years of securalization in society. Im agnostic, but i acknowledge the importance religion has had on our civilization.

Atheists would make a much more compelling argument if they acknowledged all of this. Its become an anti-theism now, not just atheism.

Have some intellectual honesty.

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>>730516090
muh brother

>>730524703
>all liberals are idiots
How to be ignorant and dismiss opposing beliefs because you have no good way to actually debate them 101.

>>730524243
You misunderstand where I sit. I believe capitalism is currently the best way to do things, but that doesn't mean it's a perfect system. No system we have yet is perfect. My two statements with regards to capitalism and sociopathy are this;

Capitalism rewards those that work smarter or find more efficient ways to take advantage of the system. This is a good thing, being more intelligent helps in this regard.

Sociopathic traits allow one to disregard publicly accepted ideals such as ethics in order to make better decisions for your own wellbeing. This synergises well with the above point.

I'm not talking about corruption or anything like that. Those things do happen, but my original argument was and still is about morality being a handicap.

>>730524303
Psychopaths aren't insane

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>>730524905
Wow, what a profound thesis on the problems of the world. Its not as if religion was often used to legitimize the plague of the state throughout history and has often been cast as a scapegoat while the greatest killing machines force you to cough up your tax money for "the greater good".

>>730524905
Funny because Karl Marx said religion should be abolished because it distracts humans from the importance of govt. Hitler also sympathized with this argument.

>Religion undermines the govt and all who control civilization.

Thats why the most religious people are usually small govt republicans or libertarians.

>>730523648
I didn't need to watch any "anti-communist propaganda" my entire family lived and was opressed during the existence of the Communist People's Republic of Poland, and before that, during and after WWII, half of my family was brutally sent to Gulags in Kazachstan by uncle Stalin where all of them, man, women and even little children, starved to death while the other half got it's property confiscated and they were forced to leave the place they lived in for centuries.

But seriously, you do not even need to have anybody in your family who was directly affected by communism to understand how fucked up, anti human and extremley immoral system it is and how it much damage it caused to the world throughout the history, and why it should be crushed before it even appears again.

And before you call me or my ancestors "nazi", I also had members of my family being thorwn to nazi death camps, shot, killed and oppressed by nazi germany so fuck them too.

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Guten tag.

>>if you're left wing you must be a communist

Not everyone uses your fucked up definitions, america.
This is why the world is laughing at you.

>>730523648
He's right though. Most CEOs are psychopaths or sociopaths.

>>730524703
>Spoiled Spoonfeeded kids on this Thread >>730523822

>Freedomkeepers on this Thread >>730524343
Fixed for you.

Also:
>No way you could tell from the average /b/ thread or anything.
What you expect from a board that loves loli, gore, weed, dicks, vagoons and shit(not exaclty on this order)?

>>730525093
lmao wanna chat?

>communism killed over 100 million people
>communism must not be a good thing

WOW, DISMISSING OPPOSING BELIEFS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DEBATE THEM LOL WOW REKT! I BANGED YOUR MOM! KEK

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Baaaah baaaaah, sheeps

>>730525316
Thanks anon, I think that puts it quite succinctly

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>>730525358
Fence sitters are the worst. It just indicates a shallow understanding of both sides, let alone one.

>>730524964
lol...

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>>730525323

>yfw captialism has killed 100 million people in the past 5 years alone

>>730523058
Here is a quick breakdown of the other side of your coin. Humans are naturally fairly moral when compared to most of the animal kingdom. This is a very beneficial trait to have for a greatly communal and social species like humans. This is evolutionary trait allows for human beings to have a want to help those of our tribe in need, thus furthering our society, because we all know that humans on their own are almost always physically outclassed by any other animal in out habitats and environment, therefore we band together and use our brains. Without these connections such as empathy and sympathy, our civilizations would promptly crumble. Thus why religion is not necessary for morality and is a natural progression of human civilization and our now more relaxed and easier allowing for more development and value towards such traits.

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>>730525163
Yes. Because in 1000-1500 Europe government and religion were so different right? You don't know what you are talking about. Religon and Government are so intertwined throughout human history.

>>730524964
>Explain. Without religion, why is the value of a human no different than an ant? Wouldnt morality be completely subjective?
You can base morality around the subjective experience of pain and come up with a much better system than something based on ancient texts full of nonsense.

>If you agree that morality is completely subjective, why should it be illegal for me to break into your car and steal your items?
Morality based on the subjective experience of pain gets you pretty close to an objective morality because nobody is going to feel good about getting their shit taken.

>You might not realize this, but your idea of right vs wrong, your values all sprout from these religious ideas of right from wrong
Nonsense. If my morality sprouted from religion, why would I find religious notions of morality to be so immoral?

>Have some intellectual honesty.
Where am I being dishonest?

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>>730524828
The difference is that we went through centuries of feudalism to appreciate a measure of socialism, whereas to conservative Americans the slightest mention of the word conjures up images of Stalin and nuclear warfare and on the other side you have the brainwashed children of drug addled sixties hippies who think that might be a good idea.

>>730525226
The word you are looking for is "totalitarianism" None of that was real communism.

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ma nigga

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Yepp.

>>730525627
I like the prefix neo

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like 90 percent of the question i either had no opinion on or didnt understand the subject enough to give an answer. like the first 10 questions i couldnt even answer cause the wording was confusing. just spam neutral until questions about faggots and druggies pretty much

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>>730524964
>Wouldnt morality be completely subjective?

You mean the same subjective morality that every religion preaches? Every believer decides what parts of their religion's morality they accept and which parts of it they reject. Furthermore the religious morality itself changes over time.

>>730525323
KEK
>implying capitalism hasn't killed millions more
>implying the USSR was real communism

>>730525556
Earth could use less people

>>730525556
lmfao
The only reason why this planet can hold such an enormous population is because the advancements compelled by competition and the free market has made the once scarce resources of clean water and food so bountiful. This was a joke, right?

The famines of the Soviet Union, Communist China and currently North Korea illustrate the problem of abandoning the price system and the profit motive. When was the last time that millions of Americans died from an American famine?

And how is disease and malaria a product of capitalism? This is autism. Charity helps millions of people across the world. Bill Gates and his foundation improve the life expectancy of millions alone!

What diseases have the communists countries successfully destroyed or prevented?

>>730516589
fucking why

>>730524964
>Without religion, why is the value of a human no different than an ant?
Do you need a pope to tell us that Theft, Rape and Killing its wrong? Even monkeys know it, thats why they don't do it with they own family/pack.

>If you agree that morality is completely subjective, why should it be illegal for me to break into your car and steal your items?
Same that above. Even a monkey know that coercion with pacific ones is wrong, if you need someone to teach it, you are not smarter that a monkey.

>but your idea of right vs wrong sprout from these religious ideas
No. Its just logical to do not pratice coercion.

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This is the best position to be in. Economic Egalitarianism.

>>730520613
You best take that Stalin comment back

>>730525933
How was it not "real communism"? All of its progenitors were very well "real communists".

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Kek

I've always known

>>730525905
There's a distinction between individual subjectivity and what you're talking about (which in't subjectivity at all). Religion provides a moral framework for society.You abide by the morality with the understanding that everybody in the society plays by the same rules. Without a shared morality at the center of a society you get societal decay.

>>730525986
Again the USSR, China, and NK are NOT FUCKING COMMUNISM.

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>>730513967
Heil Hitler though. He dindu nuffin wrong


Also fuck the commies n libtards around here.

>>730525556
Capitalism has lifted millions of people out of poverty and raise the worlds economy all over.. You think its immoral to send our jobs overseas so some kids in indonesia make our t shrts? You fucking kidding me right now? Were giving that countries economy some worth and money. What about all the charities who go to Africa for HIV/Malaria treatment? You think Socialist China or Russia does that? Gtfo and stop bashing your country just because you grew up in it and want to make change solely because you want to feel passionate about something.

>How about you view other countries the way you view your own?

>You view the world as you view yourself

>>730526124
Why would anyone want an authoritarian government?

>>730526091
Have you read a page of Marx?

>>730526156
Of course they weren't. You narcissists will never accept that your cancerous ideology has been the plague of humanity for the past 100 years.

Will all the luxuries of the free market, the life expectancy and quality of life of the average human has increases dramatically. Why can't you spoiled twats ever accept that? Why do you want everyone to suffer the way the Soviets and Chinese did?

>>730526246
The slight chance that they could play God?

>>730526246
Because clearly they know best and will make decisions that benefit their citizens not themselves.

Kek.

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>>730526217
>lifted millions out of poverty
Not factual correct.

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>>730526246
Not any old authoritarian government, MY authoritarian government.

Nobody wants to be in Dachau, but everyone would enjoy being in the SS.

Also, kek at the Captcha

>>730526156
Oh right i forgot. North Korea is "The Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea" Where they can vote and pick their leaders And China is "Peoples Republic of China" Where they enjoy completely fair election cycles everytime. These countries arent communist, but they are Socialist. There is very little difference between the two. Russia is leaning on the communist side though..

>Pro tip, when a country usually has "Republic" or "Democratic" in it, its usually neither of the two.

>>730526268
Not an argument

But I have read Marx. He's naive and doesn't understand the functions of the price system or the profit motive. The fact that he was wrong was proven with the application of those specific beliefs in both the USSR and China.

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>>730513967
R8

>>730526425
Irony?

>>730526453
It shifted the level of poverty to mean that they weren't literally starving to death. Same thing.

>>730526568
Perfecto.

>>730526453
Do you live in America? Jesus Christ, no one has to farm their own lands and be subject to the horrors of bad crops or early winters anymore so long as they have some level of self-responsibility.

Capitalism has produced the wealthiest society and the wealthiest average family in all of history. This is objective fact.

>>730513967
https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=46.8&d=53.8&g=57.9&s=59.6

>>730526380
How about the earth who suffers from corporations puffing out greenhouse gasses? How about the millions who currently suffer in our wonderful capitalist system?

>>730526453
It is but i dont feel like looking up sources. If youd like you can look up rates in which poverty fluctuaed in recorded history with the production of capitalism. Also look up stats on how many jobs were created in certain countries as our Corporations were relying on external employees. Theres a lot of evidence for it; you just choose to not believe it.

>>730526568
Autism/10

>>730526536
>He's naive and doesn't understand the functions of the price system or the profit motive.
More like he doesn't understand human nature.

>>730526574
Sarcasm. Absolute power corrupts...

>>730526705
Care to explain? I really am curious about this. Most people around me aren't up for this sort of debate.

>>730525556
You know what is the difference between capitalism and socialism?

Capitalism is an economical system that was created by the society itself as the technological progress increased in the industrial era. Capitalism is a form of voluntary social order which is why it did not need to be enforced by a centralized government with a specific set of laws. There is no philosophers that are responsible for "creating" capitalism and there is no government that "enforces" capitalism.

Socialism is an ideological dogma created by egalitarian idealists in their books. As every other dogma or ideology, socialism requires a centralized goverment that enforces a specific set of laws. This is why in communist countries people were being killed and thrown to jails/gulags for the "betrayal of socialism". This is why socialism requires a revolution to be enforced.

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>>730526657
>Capitalism has produced the wealthiest society and the wealthiest average family in all of history. This is objective fact.
Haven't you heard of postmodernism? Your so-called facts are equally as valid as conclusions gleaned from some commie's drug trip.

>>730526472
Authoritarian Governments are horseshit in general. That's the problem. Not communism.

>>730526156
>try instal communism/socialism legenda
>it don't work
>"its not real communism/socialism"
>repeat

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who /neocon/ here?

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>>730513967
ok, what does this say about me?

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>>730526799
Good stuff right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz1FGRm2oCU

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>>730526926
Fascist here, that count?

>>730526536
Neither of those countries gave a shit about Marx. All Stalin cared about was powers. Same in China.

>>730527000
close enough my friend

>>730526914
Communism has always = Authoritarian govt and if you think one is possible without the other you have a very flawed view of human nature and most likely view the world that people are natually good.

>>730526680
>How about the earth who suffers from corporations puffing out greenhouse gasses?

I <3 incremental ice ages.

>How about the millions who currently suffer in our wonderful capitalist system?

There is no perfect system. Your utopianism is as naive as it is dangerous. Capitalism has dramatically increased the quality of life for the most people. Even those at the bottom of the barrel are far wealthier than a majority of humanity outside of free markets.

State control over anything is less efficient in appropriately allocating scarce resources which have alternative uses.

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>>730526657
>Capitalism has produced the wealthiest society and the wealthiest average family

Capitalism didn't produce anything, labor did. Hard work still exists even if there isn't a capitalist around to commodify it.

>>730526709
How about both.

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>>730513967
b-but i hate commies!

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Time for my shit to be pushed in

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>>730515324
Hey guys, he's pretty liberal.

OH GOD I'M SO SORRY I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID HE BEFORE ASKING YOU WHICH PRONOUN YOU PREFER TO BE CALLED PLEASE DON'T REPORT ME AND HAVE ME PUBLICLY SHAMED FOR BEING A RACIST, SEXIST, TRUMP SUPPORTER (because that's what you HAVE to be to be such a NAZI)

>>730526454
So if you weren't part of the government, would you like authoritarianism?

>>730526799
Socialism doesn't equal Communism. Moderate social policies can be introduced into a capitalist "society" with little strife. Granted it's usually a lot more successful without niggers to take advantage of it...