when did you realise religion was a lie?

>>730300576
When your mom sucked my dick better than your priest ever could.

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>>730300576
>summmerrrrrrrtime when the livin's e-z

>>730300576
Wow! The bible dried out the water.

What a miracle!

Became suspicious around 8, was for sure at 10

when i was 14

only stupid people believe in this shit

I grew up mudslime unfortunately so I was 18 when I finally grew out of it

I can't wait till I can start braining kikes

>>730300000
>>730299999

It's never too late to repent.
Questioning your entire existence isn't worth an eternity of regret.

>>730300576
When I learned Santa Claus wasn't real, I figured out Jesus wasn't either

>>730302819
>only believing in a religion because of your fear of the afterlife

if god was real he'd throw your spineless cowardly ass out of heaven

As soon as I realized that people haven't been able to prove gods existence for 2000+ years.

>>730300576
i would say, when i was 16 i had my doubts, was full on, when i was a new fagg to war after joining the army.

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>>730302819
I refuse to be a god fearing faggot like everyone else where I live. If he is so forgiving, he will understand that I want to see it for myself to believe. Otherwise, if he's a dick and won't accept me because I refuse to accept him in life, I'd rather no stand beside that asshole in the first place.

>>730300576
shortly after the priest said "just the tip"

>>730300576

I was around age 14 or 15 when I started to connect the dots

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>>730300576
When i read the bible now im christian and no religion has any power over me

>>730303279
do you even hear how retarded you sound? Do you go around in public and talk like this? Has anyone ever told you that you sound like you have autism?

>>730303518
What dots

>>730303581
That picture is making me lol

>>730300576
I can neither confirm nor the deny the existence of a god or the validity of any religion. I choose however not to place stock in something that can in no way define itself through proof. Show me proof of god, great, otherwise, who gives a shit.

>>730303079
>thinking fear is an inferior human aspect
Christians have a God we love and fear.
Atheists become atheists because they believe themselves above the need to fear.

This itself is perfectly fine. If you live a reasonable life, it's also reasonable to not find some arbitrary entity to fear and respect. However, you also end up lacking the love and joy of knowing a Father God who has a plan for you. Just remember, joy that comes from laughing at Christians for worshipping fake sky daddy's ultimately is weaker than the joy of praising He who knows and holds you in His palm for life and beyond. -thoughts from a Atheism-tolerant Christian

>>730300576
Some asshole old lady stole my pokemon cards when I was a kid during service.

>>730300576
when did you realize it doesn't matter that it's a lie
>oh wait, you haven't
get on my level /b/itches

>>730300576
Around the age of 3 years.

>>730303854

Between religion and power, control, war, money, globalism, etc.

Christianty and Islam specifically

>>730303969
Im glad you liked it also found it on /pol/

>>730300576
When I was about 4 or so and I asked my grandmother in church who wrote the Bible, and she told me, "God wrote it."

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm a very spiritual person, for lack of a better word/wont of using something more simplified as a term. However, mainstream religion is opium for the masses. Like soccer/football.

>>730304111
>>730304222
checked

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>>730303079
No, he wouldn't.

Odin would, though,

TROLLS:
>if you were actually christians, you wouldn't be here
>you aren't fooling anyone

>1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

>2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

>3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Probably about 5-6 and just learnt understand what these sentences meant and thought that it just sounded silly. Been confused why others actually thought it sounded legit ever since. Got angry about peoples stupidity through my late teens and early twenties but got over it and now just let people believe what they want, as long as they don't a) try to force their religious beliefs/reasons for doing things on me or my kids, like circumcision or male/female only marriage etc b) they don't take the word of a holy book over scientific rigour

>>730304111
Joy is joy, it doesnt matter where it comes from. That's like saying food from god is tastier and more fulfilling than food from the supermarket.

>>730304867
church ended 3 hours ago. why wouldn't i be here?

>>730304345
Please read bible there is not actually a link between what God tells people to do and whsat people think he tells them to do

>>730303693
Only by people trying to force their religion on me. When someone learns I'm atheist and the first thing they ask is "Can I convert you??" all enthusiastically, I give up on the sheep.

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>>730300576


my image says it all.

/thread

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>>730300576
When i realized every fucking priest drives a BMW or Mercedes and have a nice fucking house.

>>730305061
Think about it this way:
>you notice Cheez-Its are on sale again at your local store
>You win the lottery
Joy most definitely has different levels

>>730305390
Studies show many lotto winners end up less happy than they were beforehand.
Nobody ever gets unhappy when Cheez-Its are on sale.

>>730305614
>can't into metaphor

Jesus still a example of a good bro.
You cant deny that atheist.

>when I prayed every single night that a girl I liked would like me back
>she called me a waste of space and told me to fuck off
>when I prayed for my mom to stop drinking so much so I could finally have dinner with her without being afraid of her yelling at me
>she was sent to the hospital twice for alcohol poisoning
>when I prayed every night for my grandma to recover from her breast cancer
>it spread to her brain and she died three months later
I found out very young that he isn't real. Fuck God. If he really is out there, he has some explaining to do.

>>730305614
ok sorry man bad example
>you notice Cheez-Its are on sale again at your local store
>Hospital calls you after your wife gets hit by car and hospitalized for 3 months, tells you she finally woke up

I don't know what the fuck I am. I say I'm an atheist but I'm only afraid to kill myself because I don't want to go to hell???? So if I believe in hell, (well I'm not sure) then I have to believe in heaven??

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>>730305919
>praying for selfish purposes
God isn't Uncle Billy who bought you that Lego set when your parents wouldn't, dumbass.

>>730305871
He is apparently the same as (or one of three aspects, which are all the same, or something) the all powerful being who chooses to punish people for eternity for finite crimes. Jesus isn't that great.

>>730300576
"god is infinite"
"god has always existed and will always exist"
"as long as you repent, even if it's at the last second, you'll go to heaven"
welp there's one set of complete bullshit, let's see what else is out there...oh wait, more bullshit

i beleived the bible was literally true (earth is 6000 years old, noah's ark, virgin birth, etc.) until early 2012. i was 24.

>>730306075

This

If there is a God he certainly wouldn't look at death the same way that you or I do and he probably has more important things to do than listen to you cry about your Nana's tits

>>730300576
I find it very disconcerting that every asshole uses the bible to piss on, but not the Koran or the Book of Mormon. Mohammed fucking a 9 year old seems more disturbing to me, yet everyone goes out of their way to dis Christianity specifically.

the first time I saw a young kid with cancer

>>730305919
Sorry to hear about your familly man but the healing stops working halfway through the book of acts even for apostals that other guy calling you selfish is a dick

>>730306662
we're just destroying them in the order in which they were written, jews are too powerful so we skipped them

>>730306716
God doesnt give people cancer dumbass its mutated genes or pollution

>>730306662
Right now, in good ol' Murrica where many of us live, Christianity has a dramatic impact on our culture and legal system, while Islam does not. It's far more important to debunk Christianity.

Plus, only racists and xenophobes would ever say anything negative about Islam. /sarcasm

>>730307197
then she's a weak as bitch and can't protect shite

you are going to hell lol

>>730307376
>she
everyone knows god is a white man with a black man's penis

When as a 9 year old kid one, of my schoolmates had leukemia and I saw her died.
And I always wondered why a loving God would take someone who hadn't even started her life yet.

>>730306662

Anybody who matters already knows Islam is awful

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>>730307380
sweet I get to hang out with this guy

>>730306716
God works in mysterious ways. You can't comprehend why that child must have cancer, but you can rest assured it's according to God's perfect divine plan.

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>>730303693
>fuck, he's making me question my beliefs with rational thinking!
>I know! I'll call him an autist!
retard

My belief in religion has gone down, however I would say my belief in god is stronger than ever.

>>730307707
god is a shitty planner then

When my mother died.
Then my father.
Then my cat.
But not the bitch sister.

>>730307376
>she's
For last 2000 years we have been in a dispensation of grace God hasnt done anthing

>>730300576
It didn't flush.
Hallelujah!!!!

>>730300576
My family was heatens in a religious comunity.

>>730307707
grace period man read your bible

>>730300576
After my atheist boyfriend embodied the ideals of Christ better than my Bible believing, gospel preaching father. I got kicked out a week before I started college because I refused to break up with him. Instead of showing me the mercy and love that Christ supposedly promotes, I was shamed for refusing to "court" a man that I didn't know.

>>730307707
He seems like a read dick then.
>j-j-just trust me! h-h-he has a plan for killing a kid
>But don't you fucking dare abort anyone! it was also his plan to have that lady get violently raped!!

>>730305871
Jesus promises eternal burning and torture for the "crime" of being reasonable (atheist).

He is a total and utter cunt and you are a moron.

>>730300576
It is not

>>730305185
I love this lol

>>730300576
when christians couldn't explain to me the difference between god and santa. i was about 6.

never had to attend religion class again.

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This is why I can't take god or religion srsly

>>730308462
Where you in a catholic church?what kind of retards?

>>730304085
This. I don't care what your faith if it isn't destructive or violent.

16

I started reasoning nothing about religion made sense, it had no foundations, anything

>>730308664
lets hear you explain it tardis

>>730300576
As an atheist myself, fuck off.
If it makes them happy whats the harm, I just have a problem with what the donations go to, priest in my small middle class town has a huge house and 3 cars

>>730308793
Santa is a make believe character to keep children in line.
God is a completely real and in no way fake being to keep adults in line.

>>730308994
eat the body of chirst

>>730308811
EXACTLY if you drive a Mercedes you should lost your tax free status in the US

>>730300777
did you ever hear
Janis Joplin, BB&THC version of
Summertime?

a mindblowing interpretation

>>730308811
>whats the harm, I just have a problem with what the donations go to, priest in my small middle class town has a huge house and 3 cars

You just answered your own question, derpy.

The harm is that the scammers in the religion business pay no tax, and that means that YOU and me subsidise their worthless asses.

That's the harm. Do you get it now?

>>730308793
>Santa a dumb lie people tell there children that has suspicions conections to nimrod worship
>God a triune being that created the universe

>>730300576
I was never religious in the first place. My parents both believe in god, but pretty loosely. I was never indoctrinated.

>>730300576
Page 1.

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THIS

>>730300576

Page 1.

Page 1 of the Bible says snakes can talk.

Page 1 of the Koran says god manipulates the minds of nonbelievers so that they can't believe and then sends them to hell.

These things are lies.

>>730308462
>when christians couldn't explain to me the difference between god and santa. i was about 6.
Santa is actually worth following. Do good, get rewarded. Do bad, get punished.

Christians think that you can do whatever you want and still go to paradise forever as long as you keep the faith and spread their evil religion.

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When I finally got old enough to honestly and critically question what I'd been raised to believe.

>>730308811
Also being an atheist, I use to think the same way as you, and in certain aspects, I still agree. Individually, religion can help certain people through a lot of hardship. But recently I've paid more attention to what's going on in the middle East, and the similarities between Muslims today and Christians back during the middle ages. Religion has caused so many deaths through so many religious-based wars over the years. It spreads ignorance like a pandemic and keeps entire societies from progressing. Back in the middle ages, the Catholic church banned any scientific research that went against the Bible. Today Muslim radicals are dead set on killing anyone who isn't Muslim. Middle eastern countries are failing to join more civilized countries due to their government officiated religious beliefs. Their women are treated like lower life forms and people from different sects of the same religion shun and objectify each other! I can go on and on! Religion is of the past, science is of the future. We must actively support the spread of atheism and the erradication of religion through democratic and peaceful means

>>730309666
>>730309777
Kek is here.

>>730309666
>Page 1 of the Koran says god manipulates the minds of nonbelievers so that they can't believe and then sends them to hell.
no fucking way

>>730309593
That's just because they haven't accepted Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior.

>>730309726
You can salvation is free you belive on what he did for you no hell whats the problem you danm moral nazi that browses a pornagphic image board

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i have no idea what your talking about

>>730309884
kek is every where

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Strong Atheists (as I define it, claiming that there is no God), take a curious position. They believe in grand improbability which defies inductive reasoning and lack the capacity to recognize divine order. They would choose to believe in coincidence piled up on top of coincidence instead of a more rational explanation. I think it is silly to believe in such out-there miracles.
Agnostic atheists take a more tenable position and simply claim that the evidence required to believe in God is not strong enough. However, this denies our propensity for abductive reasoning, which we use to form the “most likely” hypothesis of our world view. To say that one really is incapable of infering the existence of God (or not), you must still prove your position. You must be able to prove that the existence of God and the non-existence of God are equiprobable statements, which I have shown that they are not. You do not need deductive or empirical proof to believe in God. There is of course the position that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but I feel the incredible improbability of our existence is evidence enough.

Anyway, now that we have determined there is a Omniscient, Omnipotent deity behind creation, where is It? Afterall, we are central to his design of the universe, so surely It must have had some kind of interaction with us? Well, I am personally a subscriber to the Perennial Philosophy, and I will try to convince you that this is the most rational of all religions. I will admit, it relies on common sense, but I believe it is the strongest so it wins by default. Why is it the strongest? Due to its plausibility and explanatory power. (With a few caveats, not all mystics describe the unitive experience of the Godhead, and their testimonies can be disregarded.)

7th grade.

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>>730310187
Not in your shitty post.

>>730310444
Well, Omniscience confers infallibility, so any religious texts with inconsistencies and logical errors is not the work of the Divine. This means Judaism and Islam are out. However, if you remove and isolate the Gospel from the Old Testament, the proported message from God contains no such errors. The Upanishads from Hinduism also contain no logical errors. This is a good start.
Mystical Hinduism makes sense as to what God’s role was with early humans and perhaps our purose on earth(searching for direct communion with the Divine), and Christianity makes sense as a revealed religion due to it’s brilliant sense of morality and divine justice. If we combine the two, and view Christianity as a mystical religion, then we have the most rational viewpoint.
Most people think that the concept of hell is non-sense. If I steal, why should I be burned alive for it? It is not as if I tortured someone. It doesn’t seem fair. However, it is the only form of objective retribution that exists. For instance, if we beat people who physically abuse others, we are no different from them. We are also immoral and would also deserve to be beat. Well, hellfire still seems extreme… what if you could punish someone with plague or something else for transgressions? This would be a subjective form of punishment based upon the subjects relative pleasure and displeasure levels. It is just not objective enough.
However, if you simply destroy a person entirely for their acts of destruction, then you have mediated justice objectively. The manner of destruction would be physical pain, which is a form of destruction of the soul, and it would be fire because that is the fullest pain. Idealistically, if you even destroy something as insignificant as a flower, you deserve to be burned alive. Is it mere coincidence that someone was able to imagine an objective system of justice? Possible but when the man claimed to be God and purp performed miracles, this is strong support of his claim.

>>730300576
I "knew" almost immediately.
But I didn't admit to myself that religion was a lie until I was 16.

>>730309666 wasnt a sneak was a very powerfull angelthat was later on given the name satan or in english the prosecutor

>>730310564

Jesus, through the eyes of Hinduism, would have been born an ordinary mortal who achieved a permanent state of union with the Divine(Sahaja Samadhi). To his credit, he is the first person to have achieved true liberation. The misconception of his divine conception is just a myth perpetuated by the early church founders.
Viewing Christianity as mystical religion is actually heavily supported in the Gospel and apparent contradictions now make sense. For instance, Jesus both claimed “I and the Father are One” and that “God is greater than me.” The fact that there is an aspect of duality and non-duality to our world is something that Hindus have been claiming for centuries. Jesus also claims “Is it not written that you are Gods?” This has been interpreted to mean that man is a god because he has the power of death over his enemies, but the more literal interpretation in this context is that Jesus is implying we are all divine. God is Spirit, or Awareness, and those who worship God worship Him in Awareness and Truth.
Furthermore, the trinity now makes perfect sense. The Father is the Godhead, the totality of reality, pure existence itself. Humanity is divine due to the virtue of its existence. All things that exist are God. The Son of God is a human who is aware of his own divinity. The Holy Spirit (or literal interpretation Divine Awareness) is the subjective replication of the Godhead’s mind in the soul of man, facilitated through the mystical state.

>>730309726
This

>>730310444
You know how every religion except yours is wrong, and their gods simply don't exist?

Yours isn't special. It's not even the oldest religion.

>>730309903

Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.

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>>730310444
>>730310564
>>730310617

>>730310650
He gave rules to people who had slaves everyone did at the time at least he gave them rules and plus they had the right to leave every seven years there children where to be treated as free by the owner

>>730310930
Then you would probably be right welcome to the apostacy

>>730310686
Well, if there must be a God, then he must have a religion.
It's a simple logical conclusion.
It has confused humanity to have so many false religions but there still is an objective spiritual truth out there.

>>730311288
Why? Why must a God HAVE a religion? is his self-confidence so low that he absolutely needs people to sing hymns for him every Sunday? Or is he simply a self-centered arrogant jerk?

What is it with religion being able to keep people from being rational? It's so confusing to me that so many people can so stubbornly believe in something that has so obviously been fabricated by other humans. Those agnostics, they're fine, just a little hopeful. Anyone who believes in a literature based religion like Christianity, Mulsim, Hindu, etc.? Complete idiots

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>>730305614

>joy of your child being born
>the same joy as your mommy making you chicken tendies

nigga

>>730311239
What's terrifying about this is that Christian logic is not far off from the logic of this meme

>>730310686
If you read the bible and then read the other religions texts you will not only see a pattern in the other religions you will se a clear difference between those gods and God also what religions predates 4000 years

>>730311544
So much this

>>730310930
I would believe you

>>730309784

>what is free will?

The truth is God can end it all in a second. Lucifer has no power expect that which God gives him. Think about it.

Why and how would an Angel, a creation of God and thus lower entity, become as powerful or more powerful than God himself?

The Great Deceiver, indeed.

>>730311454

It's the same with any ideology. It robs one of the ability to think, or at least makes thinking unnecessary, since it offers easy answers.

>>730311288
That's not a simple, logical conclusion, thats so fucking objective
Fucking idiot

>>730311859
He wasn't necessarily talking about the cruel deeds of malevolent agents, where free will would come into play; you may also consider natural cruelties and injustices like natural disasters, disease, and freak accidents.

A truly good deity wouldn't give children cancer...

>>730312236
If there is a God, who created the whole universe for the sake of producing human beings, then we should expect a relationship with this Creator due to our importance in his work.

>>730306574
like fucking up afrika

>>730311673
>>730311544
Who told you that masterbaition would send you to hell?also only thing sending you to hell is disbelief with faith all sin is gone not in the body but from befor God

>>730303518
Calm down Tom Hanks

>>730312384
Do you also pray to your dad or mom, and sing for them every Sunday, and offer the blood of your first born in their favor, and kill all of those who don't pray to them? Because you should by your logic.

>>730309666

>Muhammad had his "revelation" in a cave 600 years after Jesus
>Embraced the angel Gabriel, several times
>Came up with some of the same shit

Yeah, OK, totally not a copycat. In any way, shape, or form.

>>730312439
You've never read the bible, have you?

>>730304111
No greater joy than the pursuit of one's own happiness. Unshakeable devotion is comfortable, but you could not imagine how the joy of being free from devotion, being free of god

>>730312439
a fallible human
just like fallible humans wrote the bible and run the church

>>730300576
8yrs old

>>730300576
religion may be a lie, but christ isn't.

>>730307707
ahhh yiss the perfect plan, where all religions are at war constantly while god, if he exists, is constantly fucking up afrika and south asia for the lulz with disease and natural desasters

>also that moment when you realize your shitty relationship is somehow gods plan all along

>>730312439
Masturbation, disbelief, see fucking thing

>>730312852
*Same

>>730312549
Find one new tesement verse that tells christians to kill unbelivers also he is a father but hes not your dad and preying and singing is something that is supposed to be done out of thanksgiving not obligation

>>730309726

This is just wrong, you have to repent, and can only do it once, for once you are baptised in the holy spirit and acknowledge Jesus for what he did, you are made anew.

You also have this option anytime, no matter what you've done. As long as you recognize what was done for you and lead a good life afterwards. In the form of faith, with works.

>>730312729
Wait, what?

>>730307884
kind of right because its a symbol in most nature based religions
also the sumerian ppl used it and most current religions are somewhat based off these old ones

>>730312549
If we assume there is a God, then you must admit humans should have a purpose, or God should have a plan for them?

>>730312974
Sounds like the life of sin and hedonism followed by deathbed repentance is the way to go.

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>>730300576
Never really thought much about it seriously until 17. When I was 19 I was sure religion was all bullshit. Became an atheist from then till 22. Am 23 now and am starting to consider spirituality if it can even be called that. I have been spending a lot of time meditating and thinking about consciousness/reality/the universe and trying to come up with a reasonable belief or position but It mostly amounts to believing I'm too limited and lacking information to come to a position worth holding.

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>>730300576
Reminder that Agnosticism>>Atheism

>>730310499
Kek is especially with you.

>>730306075
God isn't anything, you ridiculous child.

>>730312611
Its in mosaic law and in context with jesus sermon on the mount kinda with even if you look at a woman with lust you commit adultry but come on is that the only thing that would send you to hell im sure there is many more things you or anyone else does that would do it lol but what God did for us on the cross erases all sin past present and future with faith in it

>>730313232
And there is no downside to it
>well if you read Dante's Inferno there is

>>730313232
https://youtu.be/R66r_XMoDkk

>>730300576
I was convinced God was dead before I was born.
My parents lived through a genocide, where their parents were executed in front of them. My mother watched as her father was beaten and cut to pieces with an axe by the revolutionaries. She watched as her brothers were sent to the firing squad to die.
My father was not sent to the death camps, but a work camp. He was lucky enough to escape alive.
My father and mother were married about twenty years after the genocide.
My father would constantly abuse my mother and sleep with other women. Occasionally, he would sleep with prostitutes. He forced her to fund his education while contributing nothing to their well-being. He temporarily stopped when my mother was pregnant with his child.
Within a month after I was born, my father began sleeping with prostitutes again.
In my parents' traditional culture, a divorce is an insult to both of the families' names. To get a divorce means to be disowned.
My mother continued to live through years of physical abuse because she wanted me to live in a house with a mother and a father. But often, that made me wonder if I would be better off being raised solely by my mother.
My father came home drunk, if he did come home. He would constantly beat me for no reason at all. I was four years old when I showed up to preschool with a black eye. I denied all accusations of domestic abuse because my father would beat me more if I didn't.

A year later, my father tried to kill my family. I had wrote on the apartment wall using a pencil, when he came home drunk. I ran to my sister's room, and closed the door, but he kicked it down, dragged me by my hair and began to choke me. I was only five years old. My mother tried to pull him off of me, but he punched her in the eye. I was prepared to die that day.
The only reason I am alive today is because my father realized what would happen if he did kill me.
This incident was not reported to the police, and he got away scot-free.

>>730313232
knowledge /= belief

>>730312630
Yes.and kind yes but it is divinly inspired and most of the modern church is shit i agree

>>730313527
I giggled but I hope your not trying to use this as an argument

>>730312729
This

>>730300777
>Summertime lov-eh-in, loving in the summer time.

when I was like thirteen. Don't worry, you outgrow it, like acne.

>>730313552
maybe god is alive and well but hates you and your family. Ever think about that?

>>730300576
when I was 16

>>730313552
sounds like a personal problem

God has deemed the harmonious creation of the universe to be sufficient reasoning for believing in Him.
If you do not believe in the divinity of His Son, he merely considers this a crime in which you must pay the price. Amount of time in purgatory equal to amount of time spent disbelieving, or worse yet, eternal damnation.

>>730313472
I can't take you seriously when you are too lazy to even use a coma.

>>730312838
No africa is fucked because most of the world fucks with it to keep it disstableized for cheap resorses

>>730300576
At about 4-5.

>>730313783
this is /b/
nobody's arguing anything
we're just posting shit for the lulz

>>730300576
Well guys its like this...

Religion is not a lie...
theyr just using a language you do not understand

>symbolism

The legal system does the same thing

what this means is

an apple is not an apple

an apple is somthing else

God does exist

but you are unable to fathom ,

you cannot see god because your sense are closed off.

>fill yourself with awareness (not noise) and you will know god

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>>730313918
>being afraid of hell

>>730305185
I don't see any vikings around

>>730300576
when i was 12 and they sent me to a catholic school to be "disciplined".

>>730312852
Whats wrong with thing

>>730312363

God doesn't 'give' children cancer.

What the fuck is wrong with your thinking? If you have a genetic predisposition towards cancer, why would you create children with cancer?

It's like people look for something to blame and, OF COURSE, it's not going to be themselves, so they blame God.

>>730314186
I for one am looking forward to meeting Satan

Honestly I believed in Santa longer. That fat bastard actually produced results.

>>730305919
If god answered everyones prayers the world would be a horrible place

>>730306574
So why does he give a shit about worship?

>>730313552
>TLDR: Boohoo, why do bad thing happen to nice people?
Go tell it to a priest. I ain't readin this shit.

>>730312549

Actually, no, you don't have to. Ever try reading that book you profess to hate so much, and know, cover to cover?

>>730313086
Why must there be a purpose? If we assume there is a God, why must we also assume we we're the only ones he created, and why are we the only ones of importance? That ones he HAS a plan for?

>>730300576
Well if my religion is not real, why not just cause mayhem?
>protip you fail at envisioning a world without religion

>>730300576
At least christianity is better than islam

>>730312852
Yea all sin is death from rape to stealing a dime it will all send you to hell without jesuses blood covering your sin and no you dont have to fucking drink it or eat his flesh danm catholics made that shit up

>>730312615

Who would want to be free of an overwhelming feeling of love?

>>730314025

malaria
desert sand storms
aids
drought
yeah all caused by the west

but even afrika is not as fucked as the spelling in that post

>>730300777
>>730313816
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohHHCzb7Hko

>>730314295
Satan seems like a pretty chill dude.
Plus, God's been fucking up this world for ages now. Maybe it's time to join the army of the damned and overthrow him.

>>730314295

what about succubi?

>>730313964
A coma really on an image board im on a phone to its more work than its worth

>>730314332
This is a very good point. God has never answered a single one of my prayers, but Santa has given me what I asked for on more than one occasion. Empirically, Santa is more likely to exist.

>>730300576
Never took it as truth...

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>>730314580
top fucking kek

>>730314370
On the other hand, if God answered or failed to answer prayers at random, with the exact probabilities you would expect to see based on the laws of physics, the world would be exactly the world we see today.

>>730313170

You will answer 'the Call' WAY before then. Or you won't. Sit in purgatory, await your judgement. It's OK, God spoke about people like you also. Someone has to fill the shoes.

>>730302819
if god is all loving he wouldn't be intolerant

>>730314532
Not caused by God at least but them being to poor and destabilized to do anything about it is and its not just the west china and the middle east also and your the one who keeps spelling afrika wrong africa

>>730313227

What have you investigated due to your 'lack of knowledge'? What knowledge have you tried to gain?

>>730300576
Thats why its called faith, you dont have it

>>730304111
I don't get any joy out of laughing at you. It's for your own sake that I laugh. It's important that you know you're being laughed at, otherwise you wouldn't be able to maintain that smug victim complex you got.

I get joy from friends and family, animals, spicy peppers, and wife fucking. Belief is a poor man's substitute for living life. But since it's all you've got, I'm laughing at you, because I know you need it to keep going.

>>730314446
If the universe's purpose is to produce life, even sentient beings, then these sentient beings should also have some sort of purpose. God must have a reason for creating them if he is rational.

>>730307764
Truth has spoken

Then why create us with a predisposition towards cancer? why create such foul disease that literally make you puke your insides out and rot your skin? why send wave after wave of natural disasters that kill innocent people?

>>730303693
i would rather stand on my feet with my head held high, than grovel like a worm for some psychotic megalomaniac

>>730314379
I'll let you in on a secret that EVERYBODY AVOIDS.

God is a jerk.
I can only speak for Christianity's interpretation of him, but basically God does what he wants because he created us according to the bible.
A lot of this is due to the fact that the bible is a collection of stories mixed with history written by human beings 2000+ years ago.
For Humans the ultimate sign of a high position is to be respected, so human writers applied this to their interpretations of God.
This is why for some reason despite how insignificant humans are in the grand scheme of things God still wants their praise because he's a character written by humans who portrays human traits

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>>730314265
Cancer is a part of the natural world, thus, according to you, is under the domain of god.

What the fuck is wrong with YOUR thinking?

Dumbass.

>>730313552
A month later, my father came home drunk and raped my mother. He did it in front of me and forced me to watch. He even gave me the home phone and told me to call the cops. If I called the cops, he would kill me right then and there.
I didn't call the police.
Events like these were occurring on a weekly basis. It took my mother a whole year to finalize her divorce. She did not want me to suffer.
But suffering continued. The privilege women have in American divorce courts is overshadowed by a good lawyer and a large income. My mother was living paycheck to paycheck. My father was an accomplished electrical engineer.
My father won nearly every hearing, and successfully convinced the judge that my mother did not know any English and needed to be re-educated. I was nearly put into foster care, under my father's mother.
He was granted visitation rights. He abused these rights just as much as he abused me. He forced me to throw up, he beat me and insulted me.
He was never caught, and whenever I tried to accuse him, his lawyers were there to ensure I couldn't do anything to him.
I endured through six years of weekly abuse. He was finally caught when he forced me to watch child porn.
Again, he got away with it because of his lawyers. However, he was denied his visitation rights. He has not made any contact until last month. He wanted to see me.
I agreed. I brought a knife to kill him for the pain he caused.
He brought his daughter that he conceived with his second wife. I could not bring myself to kill him after seeing his daughter.
He should have went to jail years ago. He should have died years ago.
I should have killed him when I had the chance.
God is dead. I am sure. If God existed, he would not allow the suffering of the weak. He would not smile upon the wicked, and bless them with another chance at life, not with the sins my father has committed.
If there is a God that would allow this suffering, then he is no God, but the devil.

>>730315103
Thousands of years on this planet alone, who knows if there are others out there and how long they've had life, and we still don't have a purpose.

>>730315180
meant for
>>730314265

>>730300777
Godly trips.

>>730315180
I think that God (assuming creationism is right) can't really foresee the future.
This is why he has no idea of the devil's presence in Eden and allows his ultimate creation to fall into a world of despair.

>>730315320
If God is omniscient then he must also be rational. If God is rational he must have a reason for creating humans. If humans are created with a reason that is the purpose they are to fulfill.

Whether or not there are other sentient beings is irrelevant.


I think the purpose of mankind is mystical.
To experience nirvana and follow where that leads.

I think Jesus Christ was the first person to experienece liberation and we are awaiting the next one before progressing onto the next system of things.

>>730315512
He doesn't sound very omnipotent than.

>>730315512
Did you just make that shit up? If you believe that, you're contradicting standard description of God's powers.

>>730313472

>Mosaic Law
>wants to talk about Jesus

Motherfucker, he did it for GOD'S PEOPLE. The Jews. EVERYONE ELSE IS NOT GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE!

Through Jesus, everyone else, the Gentiles, can be converted through faith. Read Acts. Especially Acts 15.

You simply don't know what you're talking about. Read the damn book. Or, if you DID read it, you didn't understand it. That's OK though, because the book says there are many who won't.

Here's a MAJOR hint: You are not a fucking Jew. You are a Gentile. Jesus was KING of the JEWS.

Reminder that if you are an atheist, you are intellectually stupid.

>>730315512
He definitely can see the future its not that hard people are very predictable lol. But he lets us do what we want and if we want to follow God why cant we be tested if we truely loved him would we not follow his comandments

>>730315303
You're a day for not raping his daughter and killing him after making him watch.
God gave you a chance for vengence and you failed.

>>730302819
Good point, and since the Muslims say the same thing, I'd better practice that too! And since multiple different brands of Christianity all call each other not real Christians, I'd better be safe and do them all!

Oh of course, you're going to tell me that the core of Christianity is what matters, not the beliefs, but I'd better do them all, JUST IN CASE! After all, you might be an agent of satan designed to steer me away from the correct beliefs! Begone Satan, I'm going to 20 churches next week!

Faggot.

>>730300777
>>730306662
>>730313841

>Islam is literally terrorism
Fuck yeah! Take that, PC cucks. Multiculturalism has failed. MUH FREEZE PEACH.

>I dislike Christianity
LE EUPHORIC XD. Go back 2 /r/atheism, fedoralord. Sure is summer.

>>730315717
You keep waiting, I'll keep living.

>>730315899
If he could see the future then why not interfere with what Lucifer was planning?
He may not interfere with humans directly, but he should've been aware of Lucifer in the garden.

>>730315786
I forgot to say that christans dont follow it but if you read my conversation in context you might have noticed that i know im not a jew lol

>>730316067
what if the Christian god is a usurper to the true pagan deities? guess we'll have to follow those religions too, shits getting complex now

>>730315867
Totally, anon. That's probably the best argument I've ever heard. You make that up yourself? You should write books!

>>730314986
Not your intended target of Grammar Nazism.

How ever, Africa can be spelled and called how ever you deem fit.

It is a giant shit hole.
I will call it.

Nigger-place.
Yeah, that's a goodin'.

>>730315717
If we are assuming, I can also assume that there is NO purpose. This was nothing but a game, and experiment, and he has abandoned us long ago.

>>730315180

God doesn't create people, YOU do. God only 'created' two people.

>>730315867
Theism is for brown people, people with no hobbies, and tax fraudsters. Agnosticism is for teenagers who know religion is stupid but don't want to get into a fight about it with their friends. Nobody is "agnostic" in your goofy sense in countries that don't have prominent religious pressure. They just don't give a shit about religion, which is the default atheist stance.

>>730316168
He was his job is persecutor/satan in hebrew he persecuts he tests why cant we be tested and befor the apple we had a direct connection it was nothing like the last 2000 years or even 4000 years

>>730315867
Reminder that if you don't understand the time cube, you are educated stupid.
http://timecube.2enp.com/

>>730316544
>Agnosticism is for teenagers who know religion is stupid but don't want to get into a fight about it with their friends.
wew lad

>>730316086
They won't reply

What leaves me devisive on religion is how every one claims it's the true one.
What kind of bs is that?
You can't all be the real one, and you can't practice multiple because some punish that.
It's just safer to not chose and hope whatever higher power exists let's you explain to him when you die.

>>730316299
Fuck, maybe we oughta hire a compliance officer.

>>730316495
Ah, of course, I forgot we are all the by-product of 2000+ years of incest.

>>730309326
Most people on this site have no clue it's even a song. And the rest probably only know sublime.

>>730316317
Atheists blindly believe in evolution.
Evolution is half correct, we have measured it, but what about the evolution of man? That was a process which was guided by God.

Overall, human beings look well designed and are different from all the other evolved animals. The closest thing to the morphological differences of humans is the selective breeding of dogs, but that hardly produces the same results. Dogs are still similar within their breeds, which are comparable to races of humans. Overall, human beings have much more varied and unique faces, which are also more expressive than any other animals.

Evolution is quack science and is awaiting a revolution.

>>730304111
>Atheists believe themselves above the need to fear.

How is this not gibberish?

What belief puts an atheist above the need to fear?

Pro-tip: There's not a belief that does this. Atheists lack a belief.

>>730316442
It is kinda their falt they are so easyly subverted they just never where able to make a culture worth a danm

>>730315867
Reminder you only can truly activate your almonds if you worship this anon. I bow to you, my intellectual superior, shall you reign with just and peace. Amen.

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>>730300576
Wait are you telling people believe in that shit?

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>>730310444
Fucken christ guy cut that shit down! You only need about 30-40% of those words, the rest is just faff and nonesense. Your central premise is completely false as well: atheism does not require belief in randomness. In fact atheism does not require any belief, only a lack of belief in one or more gods. No god does not mean it was all chance you goddamn moron

>>730314986
>bitches about spelling
>doesnt know his you/your/you're
Religion in a nut-shell

>>730300576
About the same time you realized how illiterate you are.

>>730316810
If this is not just bait you should definitely absolutely kill yourself

>>730316791
That would explain why we have so many retarded people these days

>>730315296
see
>>730316495
again, what the fuck is wrong with your thinking?

Except I'm not going to call you names, because I understand that you might be ignorant of what you're talking about, but it's OK. I could totally be wrong too, which I'm sure, YOU KNOW, that I am, but that's fine. You can't deny my point in that post though.

>>730316686
Nice rebuttal, you hipster spiritual but not religious faggot. I'm surprised you could post that without the twee little birdies living in your goatee doing something cute, diverting your attention to instagram.

Nobody takes agnostics seriously. Theists know they're atheists hiding in fear. Atheists feel a mixture of sympathy and disgust. Even other agnostics don't wanna talk to you about it because all you can do is agree with each other in milquetoast simpering non-language about how wise you are to withhold judgement about something so obviously easy to adjudicate.

"Oh, I don't know if god is real like he is in the Bible! It doesn't make any fucking sense and they all contradict each other and ask for money but I guess they could be right maybe... PLEASE LIKE ME"

Faaaaaaag

>>730300576
I have a dig bick
You that read wrong
You read that wrong too

You missed the the second "the" in this sentence.

>>730300576
>Be me
>be 7
>parents take me to Sunday School
>we are given kiddy like tasks to do, drawing pictures about bible stories etc.
>at end of session get given a 'good news' bible
>go home, put it away
>next Sunday the talk about miracles
>he did.... WHAT?
>was given a chemistry set for xmas and I'm pretty sure there was nothing in it about turning water into wine.
>ask questions - 'people can't walk on water'
> - no anon
>so how did he do it?
> - it was a miracle anon religious woman getting irritated
>starts asking other kids about other things
>over next few weeks a pattern starts to emerge
>I ask questions - woman ignores meand concentrates on other kids
>maybe there are proper answers in bible.
>go home and over a few weeks read from cover to cover
>this is shit tier faggotry, contradicts itself all over the place
>poor quality bait for stupid people
>go to dad - he's the religiousfag in the house
>dad, don't want to go to sunday school
> - ok anon, you can stay at home with your mother.

At the time, I didn't know what atheism was. But I knew that church was a waste of time. Literally - reading the bible made me an atheist.

>>730317059
Not bait, you delusional retard.

>>730303061
Pretty much this
Also the easter bunny

>>730316810
>Overall, human beings look well designed and are different from all the other evolved animals.
How so? the only thing that differentiates us from other animals is our intellect (hardly believe it myself after reading this thread) We have a ton of limitations that other animals have evolved to better use.

>>730316810
Plenty of people can blindly (or otherwise) 'believe' evolution. This is not a thing that is limited to atheists.

You claim that evolution was a process that was guided by God, but provide no evidence to support that claim.

Human beings can look as well-designed as you please, but that does not make them designed.

You say that humans have differencs which dramatically set them apart from other creatures, but humans are (ostensibly, motherfucker, I'm not a geneticist) as different from clams as clams are from trees, and as tress are from humans.

Your understanding of science seems to be terrible, and, even if it weren't, it still wouldn't lend any credence to your holy book. And further, it wouldn't lend credence to the existence of your god(s).

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>>730316876
English are hard.

It's okay anon, breathe.. We are all different in our own special way. I like you; just the way you are.

>>730309857
This

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>>730300576
I suspected and then, surprisingly, did my research and found the opposite sentiment to be true.
Unlike you r/ahteism fags i cared enough about my faith to actually put in the time and effort to research claims and think for myself. I then chose Christianity as my faith.

>inb4 genetic fallacy
>inb4 ad hominem
>inb4 r/atheism meme that is unsupported by facts

>>730317040
Only because someoneelse bitch first while mispelling a simple word and ill admit i suck at grammer but only on the internet do i not edit my posts lol i should have just used you are

>>730316810
I'm assuming this is all just bait, but in case you actually want to learn something:
>human beings have much more varied and unique faces
Humans are experts at differentiating characteristics of human faces, because we spend so much time looking at human faces. The degree of skill also depends on race, since different races have different varieties of facian features. Whites are better at recognizing differences between white faces than asian faces, for example. If you spent your whole life interacting with thousands of dogs, you would be much better recognizing different dogs by their face.

>>730316544
>they don't give a shit about religion
>this the default atheist stance
Atheism is actively denying religion
Agnostics just don't care (hell and maybe have slight deist views)

>>730316810
Would you like some perspective? Or is the inside of asshole comfy? Of course human beings seem individually unique to you, you are evolved to tell them a part. Plus you spend most of your interacting with other humans so it makes sense that you are pretty handy at it. Do you not understand observer bias? Humans are not significantly different from other animals nor are they in any sense "designed". If they were designed, it would be a pretty shit job since humans suck at most everything besides grabbing, long distance running, and thinking about shit compared to other animals. We can choke to death on our own saliva for Christ sakes. And we take nearly twenty years to mature! What kind of retarded divine would have designed this crap?

I don't really care for following scrict religion, but I think that being religious can be somewhat enjoyable and relaxing.
Stuff like prayer, meditation, worship, etc can be great for relieving stress and winding down.
Or going on pilgrimages and missions is cool for meeting people and learning stuff.

>>730317369
The morphological difference between two species of frogs seperated by 10 million years of evolution and humans with their closest relative is oblique. Compare all of the related species.

Moreso than that, out of the primates, human beings have an additioinal 25 facial muscles relegated just for facial expression.

It is mere coincidence that the most brilliant mind also has the most soulful body?

Inductive reasoning using pattern recognition. Sometimes it is apt to call a spade a spade. We look better designed than other animals.

>>730317382
Danm atheist grammer nazis cant we all just type on the internet with out haveing to write professionaly cant we just assume people can read without proper puntuation and spelling

>>730316203

Oh shit, my bad /b/rother. Trying to school the hardcore tards on some serious bible. I'm finding hta the majority of the time, they HAVEN'T read the damn thing or just cherry pick, or read some talking points on an anonymous deep south crocheting board, and never bothered to put it all into context, or truly analyze it.

In short, most of you dipshits are 'Atheists' because it's trendy. You simply haven't read the bible in a historical context or even tried to understand it.

Once you do though, it is easy to poke holes in your little arguments, believer or not.

>>730316810
Now you're just making shit up. There are kids in fucking elementary school who could deconstruct this post point by point.

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>>730317193
>Be autistic
>Be into science shit
>Want a science explanation for miracles
>Can't be bothered to open a dictionary to find out that miracles are literally unexplainable

>>730317522
You act like we can't tell that humans have more varied faces than animals.
We can conceptualize similarity amongst animals of a species.

>>730314521
A shallow, superficial love. You cannot truly love that which you do not understand. Understanding is the first step to love

>>730310444
The fact that an ass like that is capable of existing is all the proof in God that I need

>>730317767
You know what? As humans, we are bound to think we are better designed than other animals.
Put us naked in the south pole, and we are very poorly designed compared to Penguins.
Put us in the water, and we are shit compared to fish and crabs
Put us in the air and we just can't compete with birds

>>730317767
Yes, but you're arbitrarily attributing value to those 'extra' muscles. We had a need for them that other animals/species didn't.

What the fuck is a soulful body?

Calling something whatever you want is incredibly easy. Again, however designed humans appear to be does not make it so. You would need evidence of a designer to reasonably assert that.

>>730317903
No problem and agreed once you read and understand the bible its pretty easy andbmost of there questions are already cover in pauls letters must have heard the same questions at the philosophy temples

>>730318207
no matter how hard you flap your arms.....

>>730317903
Have you read the Koran? The Torah? The Twilight series? The many other texts behind the world's many other religions? Why exactly is it important to read the Bible? I'm not an atheist because of any particular thing the Bible does or does not say. I'm an atheist because I haven't yet seen compelling evidence that a god exists.

>>730317972
Just admit that you can't think for yourself and someone who was religious got to you first.

>>730317903
I'm a converted Presbyterian of 15 years now agnostic naturalist you shouldn't assume shit.

>>730317847
Sometimes. But sometiems it's so jumbled that it is unclear. Grammar rules do exist for a reason, you cant assume everyone knows what your incoherent gibberish is supposed to mean

>>730317903
>I'm finding hta the majority of the time, they HAVEN'T read the damn thing or just cherry pick, or read some talking points on an anonymous deep south crocheting board, and never bothered to put it all into context, or truly analyze it.

maybe that is becasue you intentionally look for the uneducated ones to debate, rather than looking for scholars or pastors, who are educated and know wtf they are talking about?

Look to religious leaders, not the lowest common denominator to have an intellectual argument.

>>730310444
Pseudointellectual nonsense. You're a disappointment.

>>730317767
Your all knowing god put us on a planet that is 70% water, without the ability to breath underwater?
What kind of shit design is that?

>>730300576
wactehd this;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MYMQnZIrUI

>>730318410
>Just admit that you can't think for yourself and someone who was atheistic got to you first.
fixed it for you.

>>730305185
that's Thor, you idiot

>>730318604
*Your

>>730317981
They have more varied faces to US. Humans have developed the important social skill of being able to tell one a part from another. This does not mean we are inherently more distinguishable, just that we are better at distinguishing each other. Is that so hard to understand?

>>730318765
Not him, but (((you're))) wrong

>>730317972
>science can predict things
>science cannot predict if something will interfere
If i put 2 pennies into a drawer, then add 2 pennies the next day i should have 4 pennies. Mathematics predicts this truth, but it does not predict if someone will steal pennies in that time. Likewise with miricles.
That's a paraphrase of how C.S. Lewis explained science and religion (specifically miracles)

>>730318726
Nope, my dad got to me first, and he was religiousfag- big style. He bought me the chemistry set, too. I made my own mind up, anon.

>>730317903
>be me
>be 12
>be Christian cause mom is
>decide one day to read the bible
>stopped being Christian
>read it again when im 16
>still not Christian
>read it again at 21
>still not Christian
>read it again at 27
>still not Christian
>read it again at 34
>still not Christian
>see a pattern?

>>730317903
The Bible is self-referencial. Find me some material proof for the Christian God and then we can talk.

>>730318207
Yeah, I cannot for the life of me understand why so many people cling to the idea of linear "betterness". As if you can unanimously classify everything on one scale. Life is more nuanced than that. Every successful species fills a different niche in it's environment. We are the best at beings humans... Whoopidoo

>>730318726
>>Just admit that you can't think for yourself and someone who was a zealous fuckwit got to you first.
>fixed it for you.
ftfy

>>730318207
The work of the universe is a self-reliant system.
Everything works on it's own without aid from the creator.

Is it mere coincidence that human beings have a body that is well-suited for technology? It took nearly 4 billion years for life to build this body on it's own, and then suddenly when a body apt for a higher intellect comes into existence, it magically and rapidly gains unprecedented brilliance?

These beings are overall, appearing to be much more beautiful and expressive than all other animals?

It is all to curious to believe in without stronger explanations.

Taken with the fine-tune argument, and cartesian dualism, I see no reason NOT to believe in a God. The God of the Gaps if you will.

>>730318401
>I'm an atheist because I haven't yet seen compelling evidence that a god exists.
because you have been looking for information to support the contrary. You (like a bad scientist) came into the 'lab' with a predisposed assumption of the outcome, rather than a null hypothesis.

Look in the right places with an objective eye and you will find proof (to an extent). Ultimately, there will be an element of faith to the whole thing (unfortunately).

>>730318782
Doubt it, they look more different on an objective scale to me.
Just like we can differentiate differences in faces between elephants, gorillas and chimpanzees.

>>730304085
This. No one knows for sure nor they ever will, the only thing religion relies on is belief, and what prompts me to do so? The bible? Pure fiction, its a great representation of thr time it was created, but in no way should it be taken as truth, yes parables are symbolic, but you expect me to believe in eden? Religion is used to pacify the public, without it, civilisation would crumble under the weight of its own meaningless life. So i resoect it for keeping us together, however it causes war so, basically life is shit, believe in what u want even though its fucking dumb

>>730318919
The only pattern I see, is that for some reason you keep getting pulled back to the Bible.

>>730304138
Kek

>believers btfo constantly
>hahaha hey f-fedoras amiritre reddit?!
>continues to get btfo
How do you guys last through these threads, like psychologically? You guys must be really fucking deep in your beliefs to be able to endure get ting cucked so hard

>>730319092
We designed technology to suit US, not the other way around...

>>730319037
your hatred only makes me grow stronger.
>>730318909
>Nope, my dad got to me first, and he was religiousfag- big style. He bought me the chemistry set, too. I made my own mind up, anon.
Out of interest could you tell me how you made up our mind?

When i found out my school gym teacher was fucking my gf

>>730304111
You do realise that religion is a mean to control people. Smarter and more powerful people fooled the masses into thinking that if they didn't do as *insert random scripture here* said, they would be punished for an eternity.

They made people fear "God", but in reality they were just fearing the leaders.

It's incredible that this shit still works in countries like Iran, Syria, America, etc, when the technique is thousands of years old.

>>730319271
are you really bashing me for giving your imaginary friend multiple chances to validate himself?

>>730317767
Humans are social creatures. Our success particially relies on being able to communicate complex visual/audio messages to one another. This does not make us "better designed". Many species use complex glands to produce specific scents for communication. Still others do so through sound travelling miles away.

You are correct that humans are the best at being humans. No shit.

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>>730318455
The ones they where responding to where pretty legable not that i dont type garbage but thats usalky becase im talking to to many people at oce and trying to respond before the tread dies or i smoked to much weed

>>730318919
Pattern is obvious but the real question is the reasons?
Why did you not become christian from reading it? Might it be that a text on its own plays little role in the conversion process?

Read Romans to see the argument of justification by faith, then go seek out a baptist pastor and talk to them about the faith.

>>730319323
i bet you thought your teacher hated you when she gave you bad grades, and made corrections on your essays

>>730319197
>objective
>to me

Are you retarded or something?

>>730318207
>You know what? As humans, we are bound to think we are better designed than other animals.
better designed in what respect?
>Put us naked in the south pole, and we are very poorly designed compared to Penguins.
put a human naked anywhere without access to societal infrastructure, mankind's body of knowledge, tools, etc and he's going to be fucked.
>Put us in the water, and we are shit compared to fish and crabs
you mean drown us? those animals can drown in air where we survive, their physiology is entirely different. what's your point?
>Put us in the air and we just can't compete with birds
see above what's your point?

the worst thing about humans is how we create truly great things like the internet and messaging boards but then the worst of our species such as yourself defile them with your piss-poor arguments.

>>730319493
i have talked to priests, they still haven't convinced me, unlike you though some of them were rather chill about it.

>>730319514
nope.
>fuckwit
that's called an insult

I adjusted the argument by flipping it on its head and you lost your shit. why might that be?

>>730319444
You act as if you could conceptualize the mating process of humans.

The changes would be subtle, unnoticable. They would offer no immediate evolutionary benefit.

>>730319139
The null hypothesis in this case is that there is not an invisible, intangible being controlling everything. That's what I currently believe because I haven't seen evidence to the contrary. The default position is not "every possible claim is equally likely." We'd spend eternity trying to disprove invisible pink unicorns living in our back yards.

>>730319321
Not to mention lots of our designs don't work particularly well with our bodies. Right-angled chairs are terribly suited for us

>>730319603
I'm pretty sure you are just validating his point...

>>73031949
>Baptist
That could be dangerous depending on where he lives baptist is a very wide organization mabe just tell him to check out robert breaker on you tube