Capitalism is a religion. Prove me wrong.

>>729985910
Religions require belief. Capitalism, an economic framework, requires no belief.

/thread

>>729985910
ur mom is a religion

>>729985910
Ur an idiot

Capitalism is real

>>729985910
capitalizm is mostly the system we live in, you cant live in a religion

>>729985910
Capitalism and socialism are both simply human nature and don't require government force or control for humans to participate in both
Prove me wrong faggot

>>729985910
Capitalism can be studied. Capitalism is a proven system that raises the wealth of everyone involved, though not equally. It has it's faults, but you can let me know when you invent a better system, because that has not happened yet.

>>729987881
We haven't had capitalism since ww2, and it's been on its way out since the turn of the 20th century
Around the same time America went to shit

>>729985910
I'm trying to escape this oppressive capitalist country said no one ever.

>>729987881
No? Ever been in Saudi Arabia?

>>729987916
socialism does requiere centralized force, capitalism doesnt

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>>729987881
Almost 40% of national income goes toward government spending.
Bye bye capitalism

>>729987916
I'm a capitalist but you're an idiot

>>729988097
You misunderstand what I mean by socialism. I count charity, whether by way of donating time or by donating money as socialism. Funny how it works a million times better when done voluntarily

>>729985910
>breathing is a religion

>>729985910
Capitalism is an authoritarian economic system with markets and the private ownership of nature(capitalism), it requires a state to enforce "property rights" and maintain the hierarchal distribution of power. so called "free market capitalism" doesn't exist and can't exist without destroying itself immediately. There are plenty of ways to have free markets, capitalism is not one of those ways.
>>729987916
Okay

>>729988012
kek

>>729988180
>can't prove him wrong
>I know, I'll just call him an idiot

>>729988229
>requires government force to defend property rights
Not if you stopped using government force to take our personal weapons!

>>729986884
Currency only has value if everyone believes it does.

>>729988195
That is not socialism, friend. Socialism is money taken by force. Charity is neither socialism or capitalism, though capitalists generally believe that charity is what should be relied on rather than redistributing wealth.

>>729988097
>capitalism doesn't require centeralized force
Wrong, name one capitalist economy without a nanny state to mantain the unequal power structure and absentee ownership of private property. . State-capitalism is the only capitalism. See>>729988229

However plenty of socialist societies have existed without centeralized power and worked perfectly fine, look at anarchist Spain for example. It's called libertarian socialism and there is a reason the capitalists in charge of education and the media don't want to talk about it.

>>729988409
>televisions only have value if everyone believes they do
>gold only has value if everyone believes it does
>I'm so insightful

>>729988229
Who is the authoritarian, sir? Explain yourself. The state enforces property rights, and therefore capitalism is authoritarian; is that what you mean?

>>729988707
>water only has value if everyone believes it does
wait

>>729988372
Then you would have private armies playing the role of states. Policing, extracting land and wage labour, basically the Middle Ages. sensu alto a state is a social institution with dominion over society.
Only anarchism gets by without a state, and anarchism and capitalism are mutually exclusive

>>729985910
>Atheism is a religion
Prove me wrong fags

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>>729985910
Is this you acnekun?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0L1RNBAJaU0

>>729988253
See >>729988229

>>729988827
Wgo is this chick? I must know

>>729988734
The state And however whoever owns the capital.
Somebody owning property from a contractual agreement with the state and profiting off of everyone else's labour while doing nothing is inherently authoritarian.
Capitalism is individualistic authoritarianism

>>729988588
This
Sure there may be better ways but we dont have enough resources or time to figure it out.

>>729988815
This, jesus people are so stupid

>>729988409
Well that's just conoketely untrue and retarded.

Currency is a credit note you receive in exchange for good and services you have provided, or in your case from the government because you're useless.

To say currency only has value if you believe it does means the goods and services provided only have value if you believe they do, which is blatantly wrong.
If they had no intrinsic value, people wouldnt require those good and services.
>underage b&

>>729989368
QED

>>729989095
That is not what authoritarian means, sir.

>>729989368
Reading comprehension. Get some.

Not even him.

>>729988583
Charity is definitely an aspect of socialism you retard.
It's society giving wealth to sectors of society which are in greater need of it.
That's socialism

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>>729985910

>prove me wrong

You know what, no, I fucking had it with this shit

You prove yourself right

Faggot

>>729987725
good point

>>729989525
this guy

>>729989500
Hi, I'm Bill Gates. I donate money to niggers in Africa even though we could use the money right here in my country of birth.

>>729989785
But why Bill?

>>729989908
Because anon, it isn't about doing the right thing. It's all about the virtue signaling per dollar.

>>729989444
Yes it is, defend your assertion

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>>729985910
They pay taxes. Boom! /thread

>>729988815
Wait. I was just having a bit of a laugh... Are you serious? I think I've been trolled... Or maybe you really are the laziest thief in existence.
>you should just surrender all of your stuff because I'd take it if you weren't protected

>>729988409
>/r/im14andthisisdeep

>>729990246
>balls deep in your mother

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>>729988827
>samefag

>>729990246
We are in a thread discussing whether or not capitalism is a religion...

>>729990194
I mean, at least with ancaps they just assume the community would organize itself voluntarily to defend each other. I can see the basic logic in that.

>>729989785
Fuck you faggot. Sub Saharan Africa was fucked to peices by American economic influence, we should be helping them out because all of their wealth was funneled through international finance like IMF and the world bank during neoliberal economic expansion into the pockets of the elite and the US government.
Just like Mexico, Mexicans started coming over here because we(US industry/State) fucked them to peices and shipped all of their capital to Walmart. Fucking retards think they have it tough and talk shit on the poor fucks that lost their way of life in order to manufacture your Doritos. There is plenty of money in the states retard, just not for you, capitalism for the poor, socialism for the elite

>>729990471
>Sub Saharan Africa was fucked to peices by American economic influence, we should be helping them out because all of their wealth was funneled through international finance like IMF and the world bank during neoliberal economic expansion into the pockets of the elite and the US government.
So you're saying that we stole all their mud huts?

>>729990055
You made the claim, sir; you should back it up. Nevertheless, a simple google search would suffice. There is no slavery, no caste system, no forced labor or forced anything in capitalist systems. You go too far with your assertions and definitions. You take ideas and situations that you find unsavory, and indeed might be, and then catastrophize them. You may be fundamentally correct in asserting that such and such outcome of capitalism is not ideal, but that is far from authoritarian, fascistic, despotism, oligarchical, or anything else.

>>729990194
No that would only happen in a capitalist system with the private ownership of capital, because it is authoritarian, if you can make money from someone else's things it's going to happen, just like it is happening now. >>729990417
Okay now I know you are a retard. An-caps assume that, and that's how it would work, unless capitalism is involved.
Why I'm an actually anarchist, that's why anarchism actually works and anarcho-capitalism is a complete fantasy.

>>729990682
>no forced labor or forced anything in capitalist systems.

I'm going to assume you didn't really mean to say this because it's a statement of pure delusion.

ITT: Butthurt Eurofags

>>729990652
We stole their life's. Completly destoryed traditional socio-ecological systems and replaced them with industry, poverty, and famine. Do you think they were always poor? No they got along just fine in mud huts before the land was taken from under them and their labour coerced.

>>729988409
I said this once to my 7th grade classmates. Some people looked at me funny. Some thought I was very smart. But my teacher told me I was fucking retarded, and she was right.

>>729985910
A Banana Republic is the best form of government. Prove me wrong.

>>729991134
>But my teacher told me I was fucking retarded, and she was right
lulz

>>729990906
Where is the force applied, and by whom, and if so, how is it a result of capitalism? Besides that, I have made it clear that I see flaws in capitalism, but they are far fewer than the other systems available. Is there some unheard of system that you have created that is to replace capitalism, or are you merely pointing out flaws in the current system, sir?

>>729991134
You are fucking retarded, but you were still correct in making that statement. Goods and services have inherent value. Currency does not.

>>729990798
So in your hypothetical society, there are no property rights whatsoever? People are naturally protective of their tools. I don't see how a society could function without that natural protection because those tools are valuable to humans do to the fact that they take time and work to maintain/produce. This is why I would without worry lend my garage to a good friend I trust but not any random person that asked. In your society, my garage is left unlocked and is they communities?
I've never tried understanding ancom before. My mother is ancap, and I did recently meet an ancom in jail, but he didn't talk too much about it

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>>729989368

>doesn't understand fiat currency

Why are you discussing topics you don't understand? All you do is make a fool of yourself.

>>729991293
>try to build a house
>you don't own this land the next 100 sq miles belong to t. Mcmoneybags
>try to grow food
>you don't own this land the next 100 sq miles belong to t. Mcmoneybags
>go ask mcmoneybags for a job if you want to eat or pay rent on his land
>looks like you got enough money to buy 1 acre of land, now give the government money to kill middle eastern children or you lose your land
Hahaha, even Lincolns Republican Party viewed wage labour as slavery. That was a common veiw before the capitalist bought all the media.
>imaginary system
Wew lad, libertarian socialism has existed and done quite well in the past, the only reason you don't know about it is because it has been erased from public memory through years of vicious propaganda, look at anarchist Spain for example. They had a free society and socialism for a good while despite literally everyone around them wanting to destory them

>>729991529
Fiat currency or not, the note itself is still a promissory note which is just as valid as everything else we enforce by law. Unless you want to talk about deeper philosophical concepts, bringing up its actual value is retarded

>>729991372
I'm not an an com. I'm a left wing ecological/market anarchist.
And no people don't own private property, they are free to posses personal property and don't even have to pay taxes or rent to keep it(unlike capitalism) what isn't allowed is "owning" property that you do not interact with and simply profiting from holding legal ownership of land and other people's work. This is a society were the workers own the factories and the farmers own the farms. Absentee ownership is unjust and private property is theft. I'm not talking about your garage I'm talking about the asshole who owns 20,000 acres in California and is making a fortune doing nothing while he uses all the water up and rapes our ecological systems while paying the people doing the work for him minimum wage.

>>729992181
>bringing up its actual value is retarded

No it isn't because commodity-backed currency would lead to very different economic conditions. There are substantial practical differences between fiat economies and non fiat economies. If this even needs to be explained to you, you're in way over your head here.

>>729991293
So if I go to your house and decide to take your things what the hell will you do? You will call the police you fuckin idiot

>>729992563
I apologise I thought of a different context but my point still stands for the idiots who think ancap is working

>>729991983
You have still failed to provide evidence that any of this is authoritarian, sir. You continue to cite examples, some real and some imaginary, of things that you dislike about capitalism, not reasons that these things are authoritarian. In addition, you cite systems that have a proven record for being predisposed to devolve into murderous machines. Even highly socialistic countries such as in Scandinavia do not come close to true socialism. What's more, they only operate effectively because they can rely on other, less socialistic countries to provide, say, their defense. You propose a system that will end up kicking in doors and taking things away from others, and in the same sentence call capitalism evil because it, not your system, is authoritarian.

>>729992562
>brings up a deeper philosophical concept to explain that I'm being stupid in believing the statement by itself, without the philosophical concepts attached to it, is retarded.
I fully understand that actually and don't like Fiat currency by any stretch. Thank you for reaching a point

>>729993723
Gtfo with this ugly bitch

>>729993914
shes indeed ugly but this thread is worse

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If this doesn't end with her being punched in the face then I'm not interested

Capitalism is literally the barter system with paper money as a proxy for goods or services. Anything else is unfair and immoral.

>>729992559
But your argument still stands with my property. In fact, my garage doesn't properly lock. I use scrap metal to unlock it every morning. There's not much protecting the million dollars worth of tooling I use to provide myself with a living (don't tell my insurance company lel). Without police, I really would be up shits Creek if someone wanted in in my absence, as I'm not always there either.
I ask for clarifications if I'm simply missing something

>>729994202
You keep your property and your tools but you lose your rent/mogatage/whatever and property taxes.
>worker owned means of production
That's what socialism means
This is why the distinction between private and personal property exists.

>>729985910
Capitalism is a social construct. Religion is a social construct. Not all social constructs are Religion or Capitalism, ergo Capitalism is not a Religion.

You're welcome.


'tard.

>>729993117
Because if you have the legal right to all the avalible land that you don't even personally use and people are left with no choice but to work for you if the want eat, you hold authority, the state also holds authority. If you think capitalism isn't authoritarian I suggest you go try to start a farm on a vacant lot or stop paying taxes and see what happens.
Authoritarian=authority
The state has authority
The elite have authority .
>haven't given reasons why they are authoritarian
But I have, you just don't understand what authoritarian means you massive retard. All you have done is say it isn't authoritarian with aboslutley no reason why it isn't.
>proven record
No, lol. You're just illiterate. Again look at anarchist Spain
>You propose a system that will end up
A slippery slope and a strawman in the same sentence, nice.
>implying that people would be naturally allowed to own vaste amounts of resources without the state's authoritarian legal system protecting their "property rights"
Please stop saying sir

>>729995558
Thanks dickhead

>>729985910
So Islam is an economic structure