Incredibly reasonable Christian here. AKA The Parrot guy. Stop

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state your age, weight, and state

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>>729961280
50 205 MN

Why do you want to know?

I don't want to date ya!

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>>729962036

>>729960877
Why should we believe in your god compared to any other god?

What makes the notion of any god rational in the first place?

Hey, what is the primary reason you are a christian? Also what do you think of christian monastic traditions and the relationship of the christian religion and enlightenment?

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>>729962975
You should not.

But then why should we all play by our own rules?


The notion of God is similar to the notion of an afterlife. Part and parcel of the same desire.

>>729963438
Do go on; if I shouldn't worship your god then why should I be christian? Why should anyone be?

Can spirituality and enlightenment not exist outside of religion?

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>>729964252
Listen I don't try and market a product here.
I am not trying to send you to a specific Church.

Why should you believe in God?

Well because he ISN't MY God.
He is YOUR God, if you choose to seek him?

>Can spirituality and enlightenment not exist outside of religion?

Certainly they can.
But I do wonder if they can exist without God?

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>>729962573

>>729964805
So you believe in the god of the gaps then? I'll find him where ever the limit of my knowledge is reached?

Because if you're trying to tell me god only exists in a non-physical, non-definable way then he might as well not exist for all practical purposes.

If you're trying to say that "God" is a name we give to our consciousness and the feeling of being alive, then fair enough.

But if you're trying to tell me the god of the bible will appear to me if I only believe hard enough- I'm sorry but that's just not plausible; plenty of people who wanted to believe with all their might just couldn't find the proof they needed.

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>>729965684
None of that really applies to my thinking.

I have heard the term God of the Gaps.
But am not sure it applies?
You find God when you seek God.

Not as a physical manifestation.
Unless he and you both desire it?

Sadly the nest Super Natural manifestation will NOT be God. But most will mistake him for something along that line. Either Alien or Djinn, but certainly not human.

No, many who seek God are in fact going to find something altogether different.

I think it is a horrible nasty trick to play on folks.

But I am not in charge here am I?

after lost of lsd usage and going completely to a state of psychosis. i came to realize god is real. what do i do now? does he love us? why cant he just end this? i wish i never did lsd. do you think ill get better? how do i rid of pride and how i can i love myself and the work i do ?

>>729966465
I would love to believe in god and the afterlife- everybody would. It's a literal fairy tale with all the things a human could ever want; eternal life and unlimited bliss.

>The rules are: believe in a god and you get to go to their heaven.

So obviously I really want to believe. I just can't. You say a physical manifestation will appear to me if I (and he) desire it- and since proof demands it, I desire it with all my heart. Yet no god appears.

So if he is real, he does not desire to reveal himself to me in a way I can trust. If he won't let me find him when I look, why should I bother looking?

If, instead he is not real why should I worship anything at all?

>The next super natural manifestation will...
I've yet to see ANY super natural manifestations. In fact, nobody since the dawn of modern science has seen any super natural manifestations.

Isn't it strange that once we figured out how to verify things as true or false that we stopped believing in ancient fairy tales?

>>729967025
>desire it- and since proof demands it, I desire it with all my heart. Yet no god appears.

u have 2 believe first. and even after that you just arent worthy enough. none of us are. compared to him and jesus we are all degenerate scum. we are born blind . we are born with sin and our lives (i believe) are to find the light. the truth. born in the dark only to find the light

>>729967025
You need to slow down dude. Parrot guy said he's a christian who believes in God. That could mean fucking anything, quit assuming that he believes in your "fairy tale" caricature.

>>729960877
Why does your God allow terrible things to happen

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>>729967025
Ancient fairy tales.

Yes sadly the nonsense we have is very hard to read and decipher. Certainly the traditions taught from behind pulpits in Churches and synagogues leaves most of us confused..

Apples as original sin.
World wide floods that destroy mankind.

Sadly few ever really try to make sense of it and claim it is all fairy tales or try to sell you there version for only 10% of what ever you make..

They are far more interested ion profits then in Prophets.

I am impressed with your confidence.

I am doubtful of many things.

For example I do NOT think the Earth is some ludicrously age like 70000 years old. Nor do I believe Adam and Eve were the first humans ever. (Surprisingly Torah does not make this claim and Genesis and the Mosaic beginning of the OT is a very bad partial copy of Torah.)

Yet so many "RELIGIOUS" leaders will fight you tooth and nail if you actually *read* the various Abrahamic texts and try to really understand them.

Anyway I suspect you will get proof in your lifetime. But I still think it is a nasty trick to play on folks.

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>>729967476
Because at this time he is both abstaining from direct interference, and preventing the Devils interference.

It is strictly man an Nature on Earth at this very moment with little more spiritual influence then whispered influence (good and evil)

>>729960877
>Incredibly
...meaning, "not believable"
right you are

>>729967476
ok.

>imagine.
>god. a single omnipotent being all knowing and all powerfull and completely perfect being
>creates earth and humans
>for whatever reason maybe hes lonely and wants "real" beings to talk too.
>not some he just created and are perfect. or designed thier entire life and gave them pain and suffering and joy. (remember he wouldve had to design all of that)
>instead makes a sandbox type dealio where he set the parameters of it and some humans. and let the simulation run.
>ones that are filthy degenerates and hate god and commit murders and sin and dont care for others go to hell.
>the good ones go to heaven and hangout with god.


so we are just here. in a huge environment. very real because you are readingg another humans words and very scary since god doesnt want to play with our lives.

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>>729968051
Folks in past threads have accused me of that..
Your mileage may vary.


Did you have a question?

>>729967803
Well, I will keep looking for proof until I find some, and until then I will believe the contrary.

I keep hoping that one of you religious types is going to be able to point me in the right direction, but everybody I talk to ends up falling back on cliche answers and illogical bullshit.

If you can't prove it, it may as well not be real. This is the main line of reasoning I end up with each time. Everybody says that "Oh you'll find him, don't worry." but nobody talks about what finding him was like for THEM. Presumably because it's bullshit.

There's no confidentiality agreement between you and god, so I imagine people filled with gods grace would be pretty happy to show it off. Yet, nobody on the planet now- or ever- has been able to prove anything related to god to be true. In fact, the more we learn about our world and our universe, the more ancient text becomes completely obsolete.

>>729968243
>>729968205
Although again, if by "god" you just mean the complexity of experiencing life and the feeling of one-ness with the vibrations of the universe, then yeah. Totally. That's a measurable feeling in a lab with real repercussions and impact on humans as our knowledge of the human brain expands.

>>729968243
thats where your wrong. you dont need proof. yet if you want it try this. play with demons. or believe in god and start to pray. whichever you do will bring answers. in a way its better then not finding out or living in limbo.

highly suggest not calling for demons. because they will show up

>>729968243
Truth is illogical

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>>729968243
Bullinger's Companion Bible.
Strong's Concordance.

Read only those things directly quoted as being God or Christs words.

No one else's. (They make special red letter editions of the bible as well.)

Do that? And I suspect you may find what you are looking for.
I like Bullingers because it has the Strongs numbers next to every word so you can finally understand that אָ֫יִל means a small ram and NOT a fricking unicorn as some would tell you.

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>>729968493
What I think God is is no matter to you.

What YOU think God is is a matter between YOU and God.

What I am is the same as you one of Gods creations. (Hebrews 13:2)

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>>729968599

No comment.

>>729968599
>>729968801
Alright, I will take you up on that. But I was raised christian from birth, having extremely religious family. Despite this, nobody in that culture could answer the hard questions I gave them, even at a young age. By the time I was an adult I realized that hardly any, if any at all, was true.

The basic morality written in the bible is generally good for society, so it makes sense to compel the masses to believe. But I won't be compelled by random opinions, they must be backed up by facts.

If you can't bring facts, you brought nothing at all. Every religious person I've ever met and tried to learn from was the same- no facts. Just opinion, rhetoric and tradition. This thread so far has been the same.

>>729969275
not everything is logical.

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>>729969275
Careful Anon.
One of those is mine.
The other is another anon in this thread.

I DO NOT support playing with or interacting with Demons.

And I resent that you say my thread is the same. No princess for one thing.
I don't mock other religions or atheists.

In fact I do often mock Churches.

Have you been reading this thread?
>>729967803
>>729967803
>>729967803

>>729969772
But you still haven't brought me any proof after I tell you that I have been and am continuing to look for some.

So you're about the same batting average as God is for proving he's real; 0 for 1.

No offense, as I'm glad you're taking the time to reply but this has been about as convincing as a televangelist.

If there's no repeatable steps to get the result of "finding god" and god is choosing not to interact with this world as you say, then it's just another unquantifiable claim.

As another anon said in a different thread, if I tell you that unicorns are real, I feel that they're real in my heart but they are invisible and you cant detect them, my claim has the same credibility as yours that we live in a world governed by a god.

>>729969772
How do you feel about other religious systems? Like, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sikhism? Or Islam and Judaism?

>>729970002
As in, what are your personal thoughts on the subject, or your experiences with followers of such?

>>729960877
Why does Jesus watch me masterbate but not give me anything?

>>729969987

not OP but i "found god" by specifically not believing in anything. i wasn't an "atheist", i just didn't care and believed in nothing. being an atheist might not be the way but in any case, there's "way". i was shown the future once and that was it showing me the "truth"; that we have no free will--and therefore don't need to try to worship it--and that it's not really interactive and doesn't care about our feelings from time to time because we live in a recording. that means that there IS a conscious entity but all it granted me was knowing that i was right to "not" believe; i never "disbelieved". i think there's a difference. also, i've always been too intuitive and i think i've lived before but you're not supposed to have previous memories of a past life, just that i've probably already reached higher levels and this time, i was given the secret. i think "life" is some form of rehabilitation, and "heaven" is just "getting out of jail" so it's not heaven at all. "hell" could be a worse life but then, you wouldn't know it, you'd just be humbled at some higher level.

>>729970288

oops, i meant "there's no way" (because you have no free will so you can't really "do" anything).

>>729960877
>servant of the demiurge
>incredibly reasonable
Have fun contributing to another cycle of humanity's slavery.

>>729970288
90% of that is rhetoric and personal opinion, but tell me about the future you saw in your vision.

Prophecies that are shown and then come true is one kind of proof I am willing to accept but it doesn't apply if you just say it retroactively.

All of science is about the power to make predictions given certain information. If you can use god as a way to predict the future in a repeatable, scientifically sound manner then you'd find yourself rapidly becoming the richest man on earth.

Question 1) Why parrots?

Question 2) How do you feel about the book of revelations? Because it seems so obviously just a bunch of bullshit, a fevered dream of a madman, namely John, the guy who wrote the Gospel of John, ie the only Gospel you find that story in.

Also, a lot of people don't realize that most of the so-called "miracles of Jesus" occur only in the Gospel of John.

In the other 3 gospels (Mattthew, Mark, and Luke) Jesus is a lot more ordinary (except his resurrection).

Seems like the Gospel of John should have gotten thrown out at that council that standardized the bible back in like 1000 AD or whenever.

related question 3) Do you get anything of value out of the old testament? Because it is also a mess of contradictions and ridiculous stories. And God is SUCH a fucking asshole in it. Killing a bunch of innocent children because their parents wouldn't let the Jewish slaves leave Egypt? Check. Torturing a very pious man endlessly, and almost making him kill his own son, just to win an argument with Lucifer? Check. Giving humanity free will, and then drowning literally every human on earth except for Noah and his family when we didn't use our free will like he wanted us to? Check.

Why do demons possess? Like exorcism level of shit. Wouldn't they be aiding in the belief of an existing God? I mean if the devil really wanted religion to end, then they wouldn't intervene in the level that they would do ("speak a different language/know details about you and others even when they didn't know anything prior"). Cause if the power of God compels them, then they're just helping out God. Which is stupid. Also why can't we scientifically study these exorcisms? That's some magical shit that we can tap into, yo.

>>729970288
You sound kind of nuts, tbh

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>>729970002
I try to respect them.
I try to listen if anyone cares to explain their particular faith to me. But I have been trying to be clear that I do not like organized religion.

I do not think men should lead men in religions.
I have a lot of objections to those today who and make their income from religion.

That particularly applies to the Abrahamic religions you mention.

I am not really well versed in Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sikhism? Although I believe that last is just the "Warrior Caste" of Hinduism?

>>729970171
Could be he is amazed at his Fathers work or is laughing at his little joke on you?
Do we pay street walkers before they do anything at all?

>>729970288
That is not a bad choice at all. Await the call.
But as your seeking? Please contemplate this (Hebrews 13:2) (Job 38) You were here from the beginning. BUT Each of us is called to live but once. You have observed all of fleshly existence unfolding until you joined in, you may have seen Cleopatra's life witnessed it. Don't let anyone fool you into thinking you lived it.. Peace be with you.


>>729970386
LOL Keep reading you may figure out what is different. Again folks not trying to convert anyone here. I am glad to debate the Bibles contents. Or discuss my opinions of "Religious Traditions"...

BUT I am not going to just be trolled freely. So ask a question or bugger off.

>>729970466
The truth may not fit into your perfect "scientific" paradigm.

>>729970967
You caught me. I'm trolling because I don't want all humans to fail and have to give their souls to the demiurge again. If you really want me to ask a question, then how about this. What is it that makes you think "God" is actually around? I'm curious. Just judging my reading the old testament, and all 3 classes of Hebrew and rabbinic texts in their original language, I'd say "God" ain't here no more.

>>729970967
No, Hinduism is a pantheistic religion, Sikhs believe in one God that pervades all existence. And I agree, I am disturbed by the emphasis on material goods in organized religion, that's what really turned me off organized religion for a good time. Things like TVangelists, the opulence that was in the Catholic Church, and the general air of "you got to donate to your church".

I think those quotes should've been around the word "truth."

Science is the just the name given to the task of figuring things out and ensuring you're right by repeating the results.

So if the truth can't be observed, tested and repeated then why call it the truth? The very nature of truth comes observing reality and noting down our findings, then testing and repeating the test until we are confident that things are the way we've described them. Lots of things are unknown to science, most of reality in fact. Simply because we haven't explored that far or developed the technologies required yet. To say that stuff doesn't qualify as truth or that the unknown is unknowable is just silly.

>>729971403
>>729971052

>>729968118
Okay but what about accidents? Natural disasters? Why does he let disease kill innocent people? I get the free will argument but nice people suffer all the time for seemingly no reason

Love you

>>729971553
Not open, but I love you too, man.

>>729971622
*OP, fuck you, auto correct.

who pooted

>>729970967
is your god a quantum ai that isn't bound by the restrictions of the fourth dimension ?

>>729971525
like i said. its kinda just happening hes just letting it "simulate"

i believe that good people usually die young because they dont deserve to live in such a filthy dark shitty place "earth"

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>>729970656
They are beautiful and I like them.

Revelations is a very difficult read.
I happen to very much like Revelations 2 and 3 where Seven church types are described all of which still exist today and 5 of them fail to meet Gods favor. It brings home a wonderful quote by Billy Sunday: "Going to church every Sunday no more makes you a good Christian. Then going to a garage would make you a good car".

Each of the Gospels is from a different perspective. Matthew (Tax Collector) Mark (Hebrew Youth) Luke (Physician) etc.. Paul never even met Christ while he was alive. Yet 1/2 the NT is credited to him.

John was a special case. If this was the Son of Elizabeth? He was Christs Cousin via Mary.

How hard would it be to convince your Cousin you could do anything miraculous?

I think that Council should have included MORE... (Thomas!)

The OT is the Story of the Hebrew People the prophecy that Christ would be born from them and the battles God fought against Lucifer and his offspring to Stop them from killing off all the Hebrew people. So yeah the OT is pretty important. Read the story of the Hebrew flight more carefully. God wanted his people freed he asked Pharoe what he had to do to convince them to let his people go. Pharaoh made that choice not God or Moses. And it certainly does not mean the first born of Egypt went to hell.

(By the way I think our souls are oblivious but old. None of us are innocent.)

The flood was not World Wide it was a local event the target of which was not humans but Gheber. (Genesis 6:4) (Think Goliath from the Stories of David.) It was necessary to preserve mankind not to destroy it.

You have every right to question the Job and Abraham thing. I tend to listen to Christ because Christ was willing to die for all of us. But his Father does come across as a dick.. I hope he will be willing to correct my misconceptions and answer my questions one day.

I bounced all over there sorry...
Hope it makes some sense..

>>729971525
because there is no character growth without negative influence.

also not op, and dont believe in gode

>>729971808
Well that's fucking stupid. Why even bother creating something if you're going to let it go to shit. It's just cruel

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>>729970707
We are currently subject to the Holy Spirit..

Conversely I believe we are also subject to an unholy one. (Id, Ego, Super Ego may actually be three different beings within one.)

>>729971845
but christ is the father as is the father is christ.

as they are both the holy spirit

l2 trinity plz

>>729971845
It's Revelation. Not Revelations. As in The Revelation of St. John. Look in your bible bro. Also, Lucifer and Satan are not the se entity. Lucifer IS the brightest star in the sky. Ha-Satan (the deciever) is LIKE the brightest star in the sky. Either you're unintentionally being bad, or you're intentionally warping things. For your sake, I hope it's the former.

>>729972169
its a test anon. hes waiting for the good few up in heaven. this is where everyone starts. its up to us to decide where we go. no interference from demons or angels. its entirely up to us.

>>729972174
protip, christianity is science encoded in scripture.

the "holy spirit" is the fourth dimension or time
the "trinity" is the dimensional matrix we are in
The "father" is all that preceded us, the universes creation as well as the matter inside of it and all the events leading up to us
The "son" is us as humans individually living through the holy spirit and in the fathers grace.

>>729972269
Well I didn't sign up for it and I don't care to meet the organizer.

I appreciate the thread OP. It's rare we can actually discuss things like this without flinging shit at each other

>>729960877
Are you Catholic, Orthodox or Prottie. If you're Prottie pls leave. /pol/ claims 4chan in the name of the Catholic and Orthodox churches

>>729972232
lucifer is satan pre fall.

l2 scripture

>>729960877
Do you believe in Santa Claus and why do Lobsters taste so goddamn good?

>>729972413
neither did i. id rather be dead. but since i know the truth i live and carry on as best as i can. really tho its easy. follow your heart and be good or do the opposite . faith in god only makes it easier.

>>729972269
"waiting"

a god does not "wait" because a god isnt subject to the 4th dimension, he exists outside of it.

>>729972496
lobsters taste cuz dat ocean fat is op.

and yes i do believe n Santa clause i gota be that fucker every year for ma kids.

>>729972503
Good luck to you. If I'm wrong and go to hell so be it.

>>729972374
Yeah, this is the closest I can come to being religious.

I think the creation of the universe and life, and the knowledge of how it all came to be unraveling before us through the determination of our best men and machines is majestic enough to feel spiritual without any church, scripture or wandering prophets.

>>729972446
That is incorrect. That's a mistranslation. It's what happens when you take Hebrew and translate it into Greek and then Latin with a political filter, and then from Latin into German and finally into English. Look at a more accurate translation than nkjv. Maybe try New Jerusalem, or if you're handy with languages, pick up a hebrew-english lexicon and read it for yourself. Satan is not Lucifer.

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>>729971330
I have encountered odd behaviors of other people in Jail. I have been released from Jails in several places for no reason at all (The release, no fine, no court,) Simply because I was seeking God and made a few mistakes in my journey. At the moment I realized my error I was freed. Regardless of clerical or other errors (I was arrested for assaulting a police officer) (I thought he was a servant of the devil) and was supposed to go before a Judge. But instead they just let me go. I never spoke to anyone out loud. Can't prove it of course except that there are some mugshots available.

As to your last.

God is present in voice mode only.
You might be able to hear him if you listen.

Course the other guy is screaming really loud and it is often hard to tell them apart.

>>729960877
Nothing to ask. Just wanted to wish you a great day

>>729972732
Yeah, last time "God" was involved in my life I got in a car accident that I only survived because of quick thinking on my part. The church I went to as a kid apparently prayed for me that night. Cunts think it's a miracle. They prayed for me and I broke a bunch of ribs, got a concussion and destroyed my car. Was literal inches away from my face fusing with the frame of my car. If he's talking, I'd love an explanation for that. Nigger, I'm all ears.

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>>729971355
I felt the same way about televangelists.

Then I saw Arnold Murray of Shepherds Chapel.

Sadly now passed away in 2014..

He never asked folks for a dime. He built the Church out of his own pocket and never drew a salary from it. He was a successful farmer and former Marine and felt that Money was not what the church was about. Should you ever catch him in the Early morning on TV stop and give him a listen. He is easy to spot an old white haired guy in a blue suit sitting at a desk in front of the American flag.

I wish I had been able to meet him.

>>729972691
pro-tip i was born jewish.

lucifer is gods chosen angel, the brightest "star" The "perfect" being.

satan is lucifer as a fallen angel, after he disobeyed gods word and causing a rebelion. Satan is lucifer without his grace.

but i understand where your coming from, in scripture they are identified separately, but this is mainly because "lucifer" is still on gods side. "satan" wants to corrupt gods creation to show god they aren't all god thinks they are.

also the fact that he thinks he can question "god" is the reasoning behind his "pride"

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>>729971553
>>729971655
Potato...

That is to say both mean pretty much the same to me.

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>>729960877

>>729973021
some people need god
some people need gods love
some people need gods mystery

some people need to hate god.

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>>729971779
Psst I think he may actually be an intelligent Lake of Fire...

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>>729971808
I agree.

>>729973220
Well now that's just complete bullshit.

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Pic related is the only way I can live my life happily. If gods exist and they're good they appreciate good people regardless of their beliefs during their time on earth

>>729973341
not really

everybody is influenced by god is some way

whether you disbeleive in a god
whether you do believe in a god

whether you love god
whether you hate god

its all the same coin yo, and you look at it from your perspective.


but in reality, god is the universe, whether its conscious or not.

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>>729972219
Nope not going to debate it.

Christ only ever said if you have seen the Son you have seen the Father. He was answering a very vague question.

Christ said repeatedly to Worship God. He even taught folks how to pray. Never once did he say we should pray to him.

So I leave the trinity debate to others.

God
Christ
Spirit

These I believe in but do not define. It is not my place.

>>729973147
>pro-tip i was born jewish
I'm sorry for your loss. But for real, it's pretty much irrelevant if you haven't actually read it. Lucifer and Satan are two distinct beings. Consider that Satan doesn't actually have a name. He is merely titles. It describes Satan (deciever) as being LIKE the brightest star in heaven. Not saying you're wrong, but linguistical errors piss me off when people talk about their religion.

>>729973194
Go away evil dogger

>>729972232
Lucifer Satan Devil Dragon many names same being. Leader of Legion blah blah blah.

He divided the Kingdom of God into 3 facets.

Those who followed Lucy.
Those who could not or would not choose.
Those who were loyal to God, BUT arrogantly demanded the deaths of the other 2 groups.

Because of this war...

God cleansed the Earth and created Man.

That all of us would be humbled to be born of flesh through the bag of water.. God promised he too would do it.

\\And in fact only one being refuses to do it. Funny that he has so many who defend him and think he wears a red suit and carries a pitch fork.

I mean brother you are here in the flesh you are already compliant with Gods demands.

Enjoy the journey.

>>729973220
Well, whatever you have to say to sleep at night I guess. I always get some bullshit, cunty answer like this.

>>729973341
Dakujem comrade. I'm glad someone else can smell bullshit.

>>729973544
>lol bro, god is the universe
Then god wouldn't be a thing. It'd just be the universe.

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>>729972426
None of the above.
I follow the teachings of Christ.
I do read a King James Bible (Bullinger's Companion bible) if you wish to make anything out of that.

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>>729973194

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>>729973887
Nonono, you can't go and take canon biblical titles and throw them in with later additions by Catholics and illiterate commoners. Don't try and change the core of what I'm saying. The difference between Lucifer and Dragon is the difference between the Duke of Wales and Ivan the Terrible. Or trying to conflate pazuzu with woden just because of a single shared trait. It's dishonest and doesn'y hold up if you actually look at the bible. Also, that war was fall number 3. Humans already existed according to the bible.

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>>729973466
That's all well and good as long as you get hit by a bus before Christ prophecy is fulfilled.

I pray it is so.

>>729973021
The only quick thinking I plan to do is to save others.. If I gotta drive off a bridge to do it be it.

Perhaps the other party involved in your accident? Was the real reason and you simply do not yet remember that before you were born you agreed to be a part of Gods plan?

>>729974384
Nope

>>729974451
There was no other party. The front axle of my car broke. I was on the road by myself. The only thing that stopped my skull from being paste was me using my parking break to whip my ass end around so I didn't smash head on into a telephone pole.

I am a servant to no man or "God", I'll tell you that much. And what kind of shitty plan is trying to kill some random schmuck with a telephone pole? I would never have agreed to that shit.

>>729973951
your taking the bible to literally bro haha, you have to remeber its been translated a billion times, and written when its real meaning had to be hidden due to persecution.

mathematically speaking its possible for god to exist.
Scientifically speaking (human genome project) its statistically likely god exists

also what is your definition of a god ? The abrahamic god ?

if you go back to the beginning of those religions, (Mesopotamian era) a "god" was simply the top dog of the area.

>>729974689
k

>>729974776
I'm aware it's been translated a bunch. In my search for a god, I taught myself ancient hebrew to read it in its original text. And I'm looking for a real god. Something that affects things. Something that does something. Fucking anything out their on our side.

>>729975187
do you believe in a life after death?
If your looking for "god" and want it to effect your physical world it wont happen, that selfish.

if your looking for "proof" a god exists by measuring it in a realistic sense, you won't find it, otherwise we would be worshipping said god already.

my personaly belief after reading the bible, torah, koran, dharma, and delved deeply into the Egyptian/Mesopotamian gods.

the only time i have ever had an experience with a "god" is through a dmt trip. on which i was gifted an experience from the future (mate killing himself) and through certain synchronicity i was able to actually save his life (literally cut the rope)

he was as i was when i rocked up.

a guess what im trying to say is, god isnt apart of this dimension, nor can you properly communicate with in within this dimension, but to think it doesn't exist is folly in my eyes.

Well, just to complete my unholy acts for the night... Fucking shit, show your faggot ass to me. Prove your existence you fucking sky queer.

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>>729975187
But that is not what is promised.

He is not a Genie to whip up what ever we want.

Listen I don't want you to think I don't ask many of the same questions.

I mean I can find beauty on Earth but it is almost always marred by Death and Suffering.

I think it is despicable by design.

But then I see Christs example.
His willingness to teach and to die for those teachings. WHICH WERE NOT MEANT TO UPHOLD THE STATUS QUO OF RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS.

Christ really got angry at the Temple of Solomon. He was angry that the merchants were selling crappy animals for gold that they paid to the High Priests to be allowed to continue to sell animals that did not even meet Gods demands for sacrifice.

What did you want me to reply to all your comments? I am not the only one here pointing out that you have made a serious mistake.

I in fact gave it to you in Chronological order.
You came back with: The Bible even says so..

Well fine.

Quote the verse as I have been doing throuout the thread.

Then we can discuss the meaning of a specific verse. Otherwise if you going to type tripe I will keep my replies brief..

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>>729975725
Oh earlier I was shouting. Just get it over with..

There is a false prophet named Trump? Where is the Anti-Christ he is supposed to introduce us to who will then lie and claim he is the "second coming" here to "rapture" folks away.

>>729975706
I like to believe in something. I don't know though. I also like to think Space Vikings exist. I think assuming something exists because you want it to is silly. I can assume there's oreos in the cupboard I can't reach. And since I can't reach it, I can never check it. But even if I was convinced they were there, I wouldn't stake my life on the fact.

>>729975828
I don't have verses memorized, and I'm drunk and kinda pissed off. I don't care if it's not what is promised. If he's gonna make me follow arbitrary rules, the least he can do is follow them himself. Show a nigga something.

>>729976342
(828)
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>>729974740
>I would never have agreed to that shit.

But you did.
You are here.
You were born.

You had a choice that day, and chose to live.
Perhaps there is more to you then you know?

>>729976931
If you're telling me that being born is a choice, you're way out man. Ain't no nigga decide to exist. I'm all ears if rocket man has some shit to say. I guess if anyone was a sick enough bastard to leave heaven to come here, I'd be a frontrunner.

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>>729977243
Yeah that is what I am telling you.

And it must be a happening because the devil and others like him left Heaven still in their Angelic forms and had offspring similar to the Goliath story.. See Genesis 6:4

>>729977243
You dying of cancer is also a choice.

God works in mysterious ways :^))))

>>729960877
>reasonable Christian
>not ylyl
Still, thank you for a laugh.

>>729977400
Yeah, I know about the whole nephilim thing. Are you uh, calling me a demon baby? If so, I'm kind of flattered. I think. And if so, how is that part of god's plan and how did I agree to it?

>>729977598
Hey, at least it'd be a fun way to go. You get away with everything if you're dying of cancer. Shoot up a bakery. What are they gonna do? Kill you? True freedom.

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>>729977598
Could be if you agreed to it before you were born? I mean it sucks but you are probably seeking a lesson perhaps in grace?

Many who suffer terminal diseases seem to be some of the kindest souls you will ever meet.
They just need to return home ASAP.

We are all required to be born and die, but long lives are not always a part of the deal.

(Thank God)

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>>729977657
You are welcome..

>>729977672
I did not call you a demon baby..
Not at all..

I mean you could be but I would not suspect it from your posts in this thread.

(They are far more disruptive.)

>>729978018
So uh, what am I missing then friendo? What does angels, sluts, and demon babies have to do with me then? Am I an angel or slut then? Or are we just agreeing that I'm a sick bastard?

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>>729978220
You are an Angel born into the flesh.

Who you follow and what you do is your choice and so your description might change.

Your on /b/ and so am I.. So I guess we both fit the last bit.

>>729978601
Well now ain't that some shit. That's a new one for me. Fun fact, I have the archaic hebrew spelling of "abomination" tattooed on me. Helluva an angel huh? Get it? Really though, I'll take the lul. Gave me a giggle at least. If I get some proof, I'll get back to you. And what are you that you can tell what I am?

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>>729978952
I am just a fellow human..


-Kronos

>>729960877
https://discord.gg/ZU2ZTFX

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>>729979067
Oooh. Cryptic. Gotcha. Well I'll at least have something to think about before I go to bed. Just wishin a nigga would.

>>729979189
?

Are you kidding.
This is OC..
I mean at its heart it is an AMA thread.
But I post images and answer questions.
How is that cancer?

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>>729979255
Interesting pic.

I will admit the Philosophers Stone is a hobby of mine.

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>>729979644
A nigga's gotta be into the occult. Especially if he's a physical manifestation of the heavenly. Alchemy plays into the whole andro spirit thing well too.

>>729977911
Oh, so you're a neoplatonist

Now it makes sense why are you retarded.

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>>729981459
>neoplatonist

Nope.

>>729960877
Does christianity have any rules for sinners other than love?
Some slaps you and you turn the other cheek and he slaps you again you turn your butt cheek he kicks you ass cheek and give him your other ass cheek he fucks your ass and you love him.. back?
>>>/pol/121702441

>>729981848
Some things were explained by Christ.

The ten Commandments were Hebrew Law..
Christ gave us the golden rule.

Love God with all your heart soul and mind. Treat all men as brothers do unto them as you would have them do unto you.

Forgiveness was commanded 7X70000 times, but most forget the last part "IF HE REPENTS".. With out your brother repenting? You are not required to forgive.

>>729982067
Self defense and how to deal with murderers?

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>>729982135
I would defend anothers life not my own.
Banishment, prison?

>>729982325
Christ fulfilled the old testament but did he bring specific rules that take place of the old laws and also be compatible with now days?
We know we seek to be like god and seeks our delight in him and for us to love him in both mind and soul, but not all people do.
Why did christ make us need human made laws and not describe them himself instead of fighting over it and ending up making common sense human laws that are not perfect?

>>729982325
Also, are you saying you wouldn't defend yourself?

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>>729982689
yes.

>>729982635
That Golden Rule sets the bar pretty darn high.
The only reason we need more "laws" is because so many are dishonest dishonorable, retches. (I think many of them are called liars... I mean lawyers.)

>>729982969
So, is christianity not perfect?
Can it not stand the test of time?
Can you be reasonable and call yourself christian?
Can you be a murderer and call yourself christian?
Is there any fear of hell if all is forgiven?
If yes, then what about those who accept what is going on in the US today?
Aren't they accepting their sins?
We know god is all loving, but you certainly can't be expecting that while disobeying and following your lust and sins or can you expect him to be so?
When you say it is not acceptable, you get hit with dun judge.
Is that really the true interpretation of 'don't judge'?
Aren't those people on satan's side?
Also, why don't you believe in self-defence?

>>729982969
Also, over the years, scholar claimed that this and that are forgeries.
How can we be certain that other part of the bible are not forgeries, as well?
Do we need to be good people or people who don't do anything bad?
What are good things that Christ told us to do to people other than ourselves and neighbour?

>>729962975
You should believe in the christian God because he is the only true God. Without accepting his son Jesus who died for our sins, you will forever be separated from your creator just as you are now..which is why you feel you can only trust in yourself and realize that isnt enough.

Its up to you to make the leap of faith to surrender to that truth and find out for yourself the difference between a metaphysical relationship with a living God as opposed to a simple moral code or ritual.

Forget coming on 4chan to rationalize with other dimented individuals who think being 50 buys them authority over you. Ask God directly and he will reveal himself to you if you are open to the possibility. No person can speak life into your heart-only you can invite it in.

>>729983382
Youre referring to so many physical things...God recognizes and works within the spiritual only...which influences/affects the physical. He does not simply intervene and act on our whims.

>>729984771
What argument do you have other than you must believe in a god that has a son that was killed for our sins?
I am really tired of this crap.
Believe in X or otherwise.
Why should I? How is that the right path?
Give me something that makes sense and convinces me.
>inb4 you can't be helped, unbeliever

>>729960877
Anal?

>>729984952
Okay, I get that.
Can you answer my questions?
Most are answered by simple yes or no.

>>729984771
Does that mean jews go to hell?

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>>729960877
With there being so many religions, how do you know yours is the correct one or why do you believe it is?

>>729985756
>inb4 believe in X or else
>inb4 believe in X and you will find the right path
>inb4 allow X in your heart and listen to him and will find the path
>inb4 X is the right path. period.

>>729985068
My argument is immaterial. Yours is all that matters to your life. Truth is i cant give you the answers to make it make sense to you. God knows your heart before you know him and will answer you. The minds of men are not absolute so any one of us answering those things will be subject to our own personal experience.

>>729960877
Peace be with you, but just one question.
>Glorious Catholic?
>Or filthy protestant?

>>729985631
Really reading the bible, it seems like no one goes to hell until they actively deny God during the tribulation.

>>729985899
You dont have to commit to anything to ask him a question anon. Thats the great thing about all of it. Other gods are imaginary celestial beings created by man. God is alive and active! Be careful what you ask for...when he speaks to you, it may be deafening.

>>729985991
Don't give me that.
The right religion should give you no doubts.
The right religion would be very inviting and it should make sense.
Sinner should be punished.
Believers should be rewarded.
Life should be organized.
It should command only what is right and demand that we rule by justice.
It should not be vague or has forgeries.
It should be perfect but not necessarily easy to follow.
Where the fuck can I find that?
Do I have to drop ALL this bullshit and go and yell:
GOD, YOU WHO CREATED ME.
WHERE EVER YOU ARE I BELIEVE IN YOU AND WILL DO NO HARM NOT EVEN TO MYSELF.

THERE IS LOTS OF SHIT HAPPENING HERE GOD.
YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THAT.

JUST HOW CAN I FIND YOUR ORDERS IN A BOOK?

If I heal you of your headache and you don't understand how, am I being blasphemous by taking the credit?

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>>729986089
How is that right?
I just can't believe that is all there is to it.
>>729986520
Asking him without looking up and searching and thinking is a really stupid way to find belief.
I don't think god will just make things happen without me doing or starting something.

>>729986666
It simply cant make sense until you grasp the fundamental element its all wrapped around. It will only provide no doubt and comfort when fully understood. Believers are rewarded in this life by having the strength of god to support them. Believers know the greater reward is beyond this existence. Right and wrong are not absolute..conviction is. Like i said...because im human my explanation may be vague simply because i refuse to harp on bible verses to explain what i know in my heart.

We wreck the world anon...not God. Only we can decide to do something about it. God gave us dominion over earth and this is what weve done with it.

>>729987434
how to get level 100 delusion?

>>729987309
Apparently we all die and sleep in the earth until the second coming where believers will go to meet jesus..while non believers remain on earth. A number of individuals will accept god and the rest will go to hell. Those who accept god during that time live on earth during 1000 years of peace. Then the universe is destroyed and god creates a new home for all his children where he walks among them.

Theres a lot of weird end of times stuff thats all prophecy and subject to Pauls limits of imagination.

>>729987434
Really this >>729987603
My god would definitely realize I am a human being.
I should be able to follow him with something that is explainable and not spiritual.

>>729968801
Something aways bothered me is when people quote Paul as if his words were God's. He does have some good advice for the new Christians back in his time but also recommend about not beeing married 'like him' and it looks to me as someone who's trying to be equal as Jesus and set people even by his own parameters.

Also quoting David and his Son as if the were prophets.

I suppose aside God's quoted parts in the bible - Jesus included obviously - and the prophets, all the reading should be based on the human interpretation of those b-side characters

>>729986666
>The right religion should give you no doubts.
This is true.
If a perfect being created a plan that involved giving instructions, it should be impossible for those instructions to be misunderstood.
>open to interpretation
God failed to communicate clearly?
>the words come from god but the book was written by men
God failed to find an adequate stenographer?

There are only two possible answers when dealing with the concept of an all-powerful, all-knowing, omnipresent being:
1. Different religions were all intentionally created by this all-powerful god because the divine plan requires not only christians but also muslims, atheists, pagans, jews, etc.
2. There is no all-powerful being.

Any other justification for the existence of other religions that predate the bible, contradictions in the bible, archaeological evidence contrary to the bible, and the existence of doubters and nonbelievers must concede that the plan has flaws. The message was delivered late, muddled, and inconsistently. God *must* have done this on purpose or God *cannot* be perfect.

>>729987794
Jesus explained things in a very relateable way referred to as parables in the bible.

>>729960877
Parrot guy? Dude what's up, I haven't seen you in forever. Also didn't you quit 4chan forever?

>>729969275
Cant despise the 'faith' factor as something that simply doesn't belong to the rational universe where you try to find the answers

>>729987806
It is widely accepted that the bible was written and compiled with the divine will of the holy spirit.

>>729988024
widely accepted by retards

>>729987810
The plan has no flaws. We have free will which allows us to act outside of gods will creating flaws.

>>729988128
Good one potsy.

>>729988141
freewill is an illusion, with the proper information, everything you do can be predicted

>>729988208
No doubt it can. Can you choose to act outside of that predictable set of actions..yes.

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>>729960877
>May peace be with you.
like thats gone to keep them nigs away

>>729971525
test of faith?
agnostic here but as far as catholics someone told me about a man named Job. or jobe. idk

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>>729988141
>I plan to have the plan not go according to plan
And your explanation for tens of thousands of years of human life preceeding the advent of judaism would be...?

>>729988303
The act to try and act outside of that predictable set of actions can also be predicted, sorry

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>>729960877
I have a Mormon gf,I religious yet?

>>729964805
You are reasonable because you are NOT exposing Christian beliefs

>>729971525
God is a bastard.
He once sent a family of bears to eat 42 children for making fun of a bald man.

2 Kings 2:23-2:24

>>729967803
These are not the beliefs of Christians

>>729987810
I can believe the fist one and I have thought so myself.
Of course god is all knowing.
Maybe there is actually a reason for us to exist.
Maybe there is a reason for all of this.
Maybe nothing can or should be perfect.
Maybe god doesn't want certain people to believe for a reason that I will never know or understand.
I think I will read some holy books and follow what makes sense rather than what suits me most.

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>>729960877
I just want to say that parrot guy is one of my top three favorite posters on /b/.

>>729960877
Below is the Nicene Creed. It varies a little by denomination but is substantially the same. If you do not believe this 100% you are not a Christian. So are you?

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.
And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life.
He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen.

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I love Jesus yes I do I love Jesus how bout you!??!?!?? So yes mr parrot man I'm a good Christian myself!

>>729988493
That is hot.
Post more.

>>729973579
There is something i never catch about the Christianism that is: what's the conection in Christ's death and the 'washes our sin' or 'takes our diseases away' part?

I mean, sorry for the ignorance, i guess this is the main link to comprehend His journey in Earth, but i can't connect one thing to the other...

>>729988394
God existed before time...so probably before jewieism as well.

>>729989629
But what about all the early people worshipping all those other gods before El/YHVH even showed up? What about the archaeological evidence of YHVH and El as two separate beings in a Canaanite pantheon? What about the complete lack of archaeological evidence for the hebrew exodus? The pyramids were built by craftsmen, their work camps and graves have been found and *surprise* they are not Hebrew burial practices. Nevermind the fact that the Egyptians were obsessive about writing down everything, and there is no mention of a massive slave workforce, let alone one of them being promoted to head of the entire country answering only to the Pharaoh followed by a revolt and all the slaves escaping. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for those events. Why would God allow the holy book of his message, whom he himself (assuming you buy the idea that Jesus was God) said was 100% true, to have complete falsehoods in it?

>>729984771
>Jesus who died for our sins

What does this mean? Didn't he died accused of subversion?

>>729989629
>jewieism

>>729988603
I once saw a tv evangelist talking about this, as 'dont ever mock not only a man of God, as you would be in heresy, but more, don't mock no one at all'

>>729990259
Also universal cultures, indians, africans, oriental, was God just ignoring them all the time

>>729990405
Yeah, but then his cult followers had to rationalize why their leader whom they believed to be god was now dead. They choose to believe that he allowed himself to be sacrificed in exchange for sparing everyone else from hell, provided you also accept that he was god.

Or at least that's what Josephus would have you believe, but there's actually no evidence to corroborate any of the material he presented to the Romans. His "translations" all corroborate each other, but nothing outside his collection corroborates it. It's impossible to prove that he didn't write the whole thing himself. Of course it's also impossible to prove that he did write it all himself, but since his claim is that the real-life appearance of the one true god started a cult that grew for half a century before he presented it to the Romans, you'd think there would be at least one private letter or diary or poem mentioning Jesus from the period between 33AD and 80AD but there isn't.