What does /b/ think about the rise of far-right ideology?

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>>729791453
>Is /b/ socialist?
Hello newfag, politics is for /pol/ not /b/

>>729791453
Get back on /pol/ faggot

>>729791732
Newfag detected. We talk about politics quite often. Keep lurking, faggot.

>>729791453
Most political encounters on /b/ involve the Alt-Right and Alt-Lite. There are some leftists, but not as many as the right.

>>729792849
This. Newfags >>729791732
think /b/ is just for porn.

>>729791453
Far right ideology was mostly dead until far left ideology rose in america. People got pissed off at the fact that they could not say what they wanted without consequence as as a result you see the lib shit-fit, trump as pres, anitfa, etc.

The media has also polarized the politics in america so expect another civil war soon.

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>go back to /pol
>no politics on /b
>/b/ - Random
>politics excluded from random
xd

Summer fag here
> You all sound like a bunch of faggots.

>>729791453
I am. Consider this though, as automation becomes progressively more advanced, fewer and fewer jobs will be available. Feilds like programming and business won't be exempt from this.

When there are only enough jobs for 50% of the population, what will everyone else do? What about when there's only enough jobs for 20% of the population?

At a certain point socialist welfare will be a necessity to prevent mass starvation.

>/pol on /b
newfag detected

>>729793717
automata don't buy things.

>>729794279
Obviously. So now either consumer production stops, or people without jobs are given money

>>729794756
people will always have jobs

>>729793172
Civil war rofl, as if any far left or right keyboard warriors would do anything besides type up buzzword insults

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Socialism works

I have a huuuuge lot of things to say about this but not enough energy.

>>729791453
Pol is actually pretty based.
See here: >>>/pol/121907604

>>729793389
>space at beginning of green text

>>729795468
Can you prove that? Losing jobs to automation and having fewer jobs replace those lost has been the trend for years.

Name a field that can't be automated and can employ hundreds of millions, unless you think people will be given expensive make-work jobs

>>729795542
>hasn't seen antifa
>hasn't seen anit-antifa
If my eyes do not decieve me, then there will be bloodshed if something doesn't happen soon.
And if there is blood-shed, you can be damn sure that it will by by the left first.

>>729795866
>Losing jobs to automation and having fewer jobs replace those lost has been the trend for years.
the unemployment is very low tho

>>729796087
Is unemployment trending upwards or downwards?

I shouldn't need to spoonfeed you

>>729795468
No human surgeon will be able to compete with an automated surgeon. The technology is closer than people realize, and won't just be low skill jobs that are lost.

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>>729791453
Stalinist

>>729791453
it's literally the same as sjwism

>>729791453

/b/ isn't socialist or far right

/b/ is chaotic neutral

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>>729791453
AltRight is the new socialism.
Fed and paid by Russia in order to weaken and destroy rhe West.

>>729791453
I'm more of a leftist libertarian, although my opinions on different issues are all across the map

>>729795866
therapy cannot be automated

js

>>729791453
>the rise of far-right ideology
same thing i think of the rise of far L ideology
-culture of arrested development narcissistic ignorant self-obsessed self-proclaimeds totally lacking in self-awareness or constructive humility

>>729796287
>Is unemployment trending upwards or downwards?
downwards you fucking retard

it recovered to full employment after the 2008 recesion

>>729796340
>automated surgeon
you're an idiot

>>729796914
>it recovered to full employment
>fucking retard
see
>>729796896

>>729796287

for every job that is replaced wtih automation a new trade pops up. There were no electricians or computer programmers and IT departments before the industrial revolution.

>>729796878
What are drugs?

>>729797138
not automated

also, assuming drugs cure all

so you think a CVA is going to magically get better with some drugs, yeah... uh huh...

>>729797040
http://spectrum.ieee.org/the-human-os/robotics/medical-robots/autonomous-robot-surgeon-bests-human-surgeons-in-world-first

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-surgery-robot-idUSKCN0Y12Q2

Best to know what you're talking about before taking part in a conversation or you just end up making a fool of yourself.

>>729797132

This is a meme that has no basis in reality.

https://arstechnica.com/business/2016/12/federal-report-ai-could-threaten-up-to-47-percent-of-jobs-in-two-decades/

>>729796878
Yes it can, but let's pretend you're right for a moment.

How many people can be employed as therapists? 10% of the population? 5%? 1%?

It amounts to either a job for the lucky few or a make-work job for the masses

>>729797302
Not saying that it works, it's just the way things are and are going

>>729797418
health care industry will not pay a shit ton of money for an automated machine to do its job.
1. too expensive
2. maintenance is too expensive
3. doctors can preform tasks anywhere, machines you would have to wheel around or wheel the patient to them, rather than the doctor being able to work almost anywhere right then and there
4. dont have to tell the program what to do, doctor can self initiate in task
5. you are gay

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>>729797876
>too expensive

Yeah because everyone knows how cheap it is to have an PhD on your payroll.

LMAO

>>729797132
Sure, and now computer production is largely automated and uses computer-aided design in place of highly trained human labor. Programming is becoming automated too, the proof is attached to your Xbox.

>>729795597
There are comprehensive social welfare programs that aren't rife with corruption, but people can still apply themselves and start a business or service and work to get it off the ground. It's a good blend that allows people to get healthcare and education and still be able to pursue their own interests.

/b/ is straight anarchist. Anyone who says otherwise is a loud minority

>>729795597
Having oil bux in a country not infested by sand niggers makes for a good country regardless

>>729797833
>>being in therapy field
or maybe you have to be very well trained to be a therapist because you wouldn't want your therapist, or anyone trying to work with you medically to not be knowledgeable in what they are doing. So you can either higher more for poor quality, or less for higher quality. Take your pick

but no machine will replace a therapist, assist- oh yeah, esp. in physical therapy

>>729797864
yeah drugs to treat the symptoms but not deal with the problem, I get what you are saying

>>729798157
do you know how cheap ass hospitals are
everyone knows how cheap the maintenance, upkeep, updates, and eventual replacement numerous times a machine that can realistically do about 5-12 tasks are...

not to mention the lack of mobility where as a doctor can go from hospital to hospital, see more patients in a single day, and operate with more flexibility

if a machine was financially more viable why dont you think more hospitals have not replaced their dr's yet

>>729798610
hire*

>>729791453
they made up a fairly small percent of trump's voter base. not really why trump won. alt-right candidates around the world have thus far all failed as well. they're a fringe political ideology that focus on conspiracy theories like white genocide, soros/globalist boogeymen, shareblue, etc and are generally looked down upon even by moderate conservatives.

i think they were a bunch of inexperienced teenagers struggling with puberty and hormones who got roped in initially by PUA communities, and over the years as they got older and hit their late teens and early twenties they ended up going from PUA to "red pilling" which is the doorbell to the alt-right echo chamber.

my honest opinion is that /pol/ and other alt-right communities are by and large a bunch of bitter, sexless, average intelligence neckbeards angry and looking for someone or something to blame for why they aren't getting any, and my experience with every alt-righter i've met irk thus far confirms this.

>>729798380
I say otherwise but only because I don't like it when people speak for me.

>>729798438
this

>>729798610
You're completely delusional if you think that the vast majority of trained labor isn't replaceable.

>if a machine was financially more viable why dont you think more hospitals have not replaced their dr's yet
Because it's still a developing technology. As it's developed it will surpass the economic viability of surgeons and replace them.

>see more patients in a single day, and operate with more flexibility
Incorrect. As it's developed further it'll be able to flawlessly perform different surgeries in ways doctors could never hope too. It'll be as fast or faster than the doctors and could run for 24 hours a day.

I shouldn't expect you to understand any of this though, you think therapy is an irreplaceable profession

>>729799439
>I shouldn't expect you to understand any of this though
yawn
another cunt claiming to know it all
self-proclaimed twat #83734634

>>729799439
>saying someone is biased
>while being biased
>that's not hypocrisy at all

>>729795597
also:
Norway is the whitest place on Earth

>>729798610
>but no machine will replace a therapist, assist- oh yeah, esp. in physical therapy
But they're already automating physical therapy, it's been shown to be pretty effective too from what I understand

>>729793172
Lmao. If you think there was ever a prominent far left ideology in America you're already too far to the right. There's the antifa idiots but they're a fringe group that does a lot of stupid shit.

>>729799439
>>It"ll as it in will
so you are developing this right now? so you are the ambassador of future medical services right?

so why dont we have this technology now?
and if a hospital can make more money off of a doctor being inefficient, why would they want to give up all that money? cant make money if healthcare costs go down

Thing is, allthough there's been a few mentions of far-left ideology in this thread, only in burgeria would anyone think that was even remotely socialist. To anywhere that's even had a remotely left-wing government, using far-left to describe the annoying twats who are prepared to take up offence against any perceived slight against inclusive ideals is quite different from having socialist political beliefs.

Whenever Burgers accused Obama of being a socialist, or even a communist, I couldn't help but laugh. The democrat party, as far as I can see it, may occasionally throw some scraps to the underclass but they're in bed with corporatism. And in the US it seems that's how a party has to be, otherwise they're unelectable due to lack of campaign donations.

What this has resulted in is the whole political spectrum being gradually shifted over to right-wing corporatist entities. There's a term for this but I can't be bothered to search for it. Anyway, anyone thinking they've ever met a socialist in the US either knows someone with quite extraordinary viewpoints (defined as away from the median) or really don't get left-wing thought.

Traditionally /b/ has always been anarchist but since Trump and Clinton started paying people to spam political propaganda on here, it's become a lot less 'random' and a lot more predictably 'alt-right v people getting worked up by the 'alt-right'

>>729791453
Just the other side of the tumblr coin. Same faggotry as SJW shit, just opposite ideology.

I think they're right about Antifa being total losers. A lot of the other shit is satire.

>>729799678
It's not hypocrisy because one of us is wrong. In time you will see that I'm right. Try not to be too surprised

>>729795992
>Bloodshed
The most retarded people from the left and right get into fights, most people don't even think about it. Go back to infowars faggot.

>>729799892
There's already been a demonstration. Give it half a decade then watch the graduate students break down in tears.

>>729800009

The centre-right politics of the Democrat party is seen as left wing extremists by some Americans because they're so broken down by their class system. Anyone who dares stand up to big corporations in the defence of citizens is immediately branded a Commie. Not that either of their two parties have ever chosen people over business.

>>729799790
machines can help but they cannot be the sole provider

say you have a TBI, from either auto or DV they may be appraxic or have increased muscular stiffness, or perhaps subluxation from a cva, whatever

the human therapist reads the reports from the other therapists, sees how they are doing so far, treats them for their goals, comes up with the goals too for their pt to accomplish while they are in rehab, and impliments them. but they can tell when to stop and when to keep pushing, and encourage them and inform them of different approaches and techniques to help them improve.

machines help guide the muscles in retraining for ROM and coordination, but a human therapist can do more tasks with them where machines in the field are more specialized for whatever tasks which are usually singular.

again, machines are good, but i dont think they could completely replace a pt

>>729800138

Antifa are utter faggots, as are the people who genuinely believe they are on the same side as Liberals.

>>729800186
uh huh

>>729800340
yeah no

>>729800533
All of that can be done with algorithms

>>729800206
>infowars
It's funny because that fat fuck been outed as a fraud.

>>729792849
only for teh lulz
if it aint trollin someone /b/ aint interested

>far right

Is retarded. The right in general is very stupid, but they've set a new low recently. I'm pretty sure at least half of the political shit here is bait, but I'm also pretty sure there's retards who actually believe all of this.

>Socialism

Fuck Socialism. I'm not one of those who wants to abolish the IRS, but I do think the government should do whatever it can to lower taxes. Also, every pseudo-intellectual out there idolizes George Orwell, and while I do respect his work and even agree with a bunch of it, much of his ideas and influence has been the cancer of the self-proclaimed rationals everywhere. The only thing more annoying than someone claiming everything is Orwellian or alluding to 1984 is someone who accuses others of misusing Orwell's name.

>>729800384
Yeah, pretty much.

>>729791453
>What does /b/ think about the rise of far-right ideology?

I saw it start around year 2000. I was playing various star wars video games and noticed there were a large number of young men who idolized The Empire. I thought that was weird since most people that age should be seeing themselves as independent, a strong solo hero not bound by the formal conventions of society.

After that, I noticed it more and more online - a large segment of socially isolated juveniles who seemed to find strength and belonging in something larger, more powerful than themselves.

I think the rise of the far-right is a product of the alienation and lack of confidence that people who live mostly online lives suffer. It gives people who have no real lives a feeling of belonging and comfort.

Losers.

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>>729793717
>I am. Consider this though, as automation becomes progressively more advanced, fewer and fewer jobs will be available. Feilds like programming and business won't be exempt from this.
>When there are only enough jobs for 50% of the population, what will everyone else do? What about when there's only enough jobs for 20% of the population?
>At a certain point socialist welfare will be a necessity to prevent mass starvation.
this is a liberal fantasy to not have to work.

Stop repeating this lie. This will never ever ever happen.

>>729797418
>>729800815

>>729801082
what would the algorithm be for laryngeal elevation on an npo global aphasia L hemiplegia be then

what things would it look for
how would it know when to stop
how could it tell when the vital stim was too weak or too strong
what would it do if the pt refused
how many times must a pt refuse tx till the machine stopped
if the machine can be told to stop, then the machine cannot classically train the pt to take the stim
what happens during co/tx with other ot,rt,sp,mt,or nurses? will it know all of their techniques and approaches on the fly?

>>729801619
>it's closer than you think

>>729801896
>you're gayer than you think

>>729801838
Obviously. It'll probably be a learning algorithm that's been prepared with all the textbook knowledge regarding physical therapy

>>729793717
Why do we want to prevent this blatant overpopulation? We must let them die for he sake of the earth.

>>729802226
but you are only covering physical therapy? it would have to learn all the different therapys in order to operate because a pt does not normally only see one therapist, so if someone was going to work with a machine, in a co/tx, the machine would need to know pretty much every trick in the book

for every therapeutic practice and practitioner
sounds very unrealistic

>>729796958
>bush is dumb, Biden a good bet

Lol who was president though.

>>729791453
I'm socialist, but I'm not /b/. Used to be, but this place has degenerated completely. Now it's just full of tragic, insecure males who STILL think Trump will somehow make america great.
I'd say /b/ is the sadomasochistic alt-right in all it's disgusting glory.

>>729802513
Not at all. Algorithms take less time to train than humans. Is it unfeasible to train a human to do the job?

>>729802901
>>729802513
Missed the comment about "for every practicioner"

Algorithms can be copied. You only need to train one.

>>729799786
Nope. Lot's of immigrants from especially Somalia and Sudan. Same percentage of immigrants as the Netherlands or Denmark.

Evolution is not linear

>>729802901
humans already do the job

it is unfeasible to constantly be updating and editing the programs though on a daily basis since each patient requires different needs as they progress/digress and needs change

>>729802997
professionals change their approaches and techniques during their time of service, you cannot only train one since each facility operates differently and under different conditions and standards

>>729801429

>Also, every pseudo-intellectual out there idolizes George Orwell, and while I do r blah blah blah.

I don't think you've read it, and I'm certain you haven't understood it. Which is odd, because he was quite OCD about having simple, easily expressed ideas (Politics and the English Language is readily available online).

1984 was a satire on the communist state. Orwell was a socialist. This is not the same as a totalitarian communist. Same as animal farm.

Also, you might want to check out the afterword from The Road To Wigan Pier (from the 1950s or so forth) where he said that cranks, vegetarians, and so forth (would have included hippies and SJWs if they existed back then) would be the death of proper socialism due to it attracting cranks of all stripes.

Don't get me wrong, I don't idolise the bloke (and he'd have hated that sort of shite anyway); just that a lot of people seem to turn their brains off at the image of Big Brother and don't bother to critically think about what he had to say.

>>729802887

/thread

>>729796644
Good. The west, in its current iteration, needs to cease to exist.

>>729791453
Only democrats browse /b/.

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>>729801619
>this is a liberal fantasy to not have to work.
>Stop repeating this lie.
>This will never ever ever happen.
wew lad

>>729803296
Completely unnecessary to update. It updates itself and learns on the job. Besides, regular updates would still be cheaper than employees

>>729801619
Jup, google has more market value than general motors, by 10th of the jobs. Will never happen, ever. Sure, the taxi without a driver cost $5 and the uber wants $25 for the drive, but hey, will never happen. The experimental McDonalds that serves twice the customers with 1/3 of workforce because their limited menu just makes it quite easy to automate the cooking, oh will never happen. All this companies dropping millions on this, because stupid. Robots and machines don't need holidays nor they need sleep. It makes business sense to send everybody home who does a job that can cheaper made by a machine.

>Spread anarchy
>Fuck the government

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>>729803550
you graph ends in 2010
lieing with statistic by cherry picking you data