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yeah i can't spell lol

bartleby here!

>>729641006
hold up im gunna make sure all the scrivners get in here

bartleby

>>729641062
how many scrivners here?

lol yeah it might b a little hard to determine who is who but that's kind of cool

meme magick and deep learning are structurally the same technique. discuss.

I am but 1

>>729641197
okay, looks like all the bartleby we can get is here...

no gods, no masters. no teaches, no students. anoncademy

hmm idk what do you think is the connection between the two ?

No names no nothing

both meme magick - coming from operation mindfuck, discordianism, merry pranksters, surrealism etc - and deep learning amplify minuscule or even non-existent patterns into being

>>729641279
>meme magick and deep learning are structurally the same technique. discuss.
more on this...

>>729641509
>both meme magick - coming from operation mindfuck, discordianism, merry pranksters, surrealism etc - and deep learning amplify minuscule or even non-existent patterns into being
whats the limit point? how flexible? how fungible is this system?

>>729641353
Interesting.

hmm yeah i see. i'd agree w that >>729641509
though (and this is an aside prob) i think meme magick is much less of a knowing process and seems more mystical. like
>there's a goal usually
>then the production of images
>????
>profit.

is meme magick inherently competitive?

>>729641805
idk why meme magick is goal oriented. doesnt seem like there is a long term or even predictable structure to dispersing memes

agreed re mysticism. it exists at the threshold of tech and magic. it's a very basic, stupid form of intelligence, just like deep learning is very stupid in general, but extremely good in, say, seeing dogs or pepes in everything

it seems that meme magick autogenerated

>>729641860
I see it as collective. The collective will guides what will be wished into being. If there isn't enough meme magick behind your desired outcome it probably won't happen.

>>729641962
I mean, when we say meme magick... we are essentially talking about a new form of communication? But at base level-- its still just a contagion of ideas

>>729641962
i think with le pen for instance they are trying to meme her win into existence

is meme magic art? is it what art looks like when co-opted by the right? and now, whats left for art

>>729642056 that's so mememagical of you to say

>>729642139
this was similar with Trump, Bernie, Corbyn too. seems to indicate a shift in how political decisions are executed, through new technological mech

>>729642150
Art is always bogged down with identification as art

>>729642082
always take the platform and infrastructural design into account. it's not simply a collective.

>>729642082
how can we say its either one or the other?

mememagikers on mememagik: >>>/pol/120819459

>>729642139
le pen is mightier than the sword

interesting side not: every post and reply necessitates and AI training image captcha

>>729642294
care to expound? why would the infrastructure or platform necessitate competition(?)

>>729642495
>>729642294
yeah more on this?

>>729642495
acknowledging platform, at bare minimum, seems to acknowledge some form of collectivism as well

>>729642150
meme magick is not inherently right-wing, is it? is it art? poiesis definitely, since it produces.

>>729642056
>it seems that meme magick autogenerated
as in... what? inevitable? caused?

>>729642657
>meme magick is not inherently right-wing, is it? is it art? poiesis definitely, since it produces.
not sure exactly what is meant by this... can you expound ur def of Rwing

>>729642495
i was trying to bring non-human agency into it. every platform, channel, infrastructure shapes the way knowledge is produced in it. see here: the time it takes to post, etc, the thread structure

>>729642763
what exactly would make a *tactic* "right wing"?

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>>729642657
technically this process/religion (?) should work for anyone

>>729642835
Yes I think invoking non-human agency is interesting... we still have to consider the role that collectivism and tribalism play. The way universalism gets factored in as agenda etc.

>>729642835
yeah though on here what threads are kept alive is determined by human interest and activity. if no on is interested in what is on a thread here, it simply dies. so i think one's suggestion for meme magic or idea on it would have to be appealing to someone (or maybe very contentious since anger also evokes a lot of engagement on the internet)

>>729642836
also, what would be at stake in saying that Meme Magick *is* right wing.

>>729642963
interesting to bring tribalism into it. very old school cyberspace way of identifying groups. a caged tribe maybe? restrained in their movement, more like an internet cargo cult?

eat pepe alive

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>>729642150
>>729642657
Meme magic is just a branch of magic. It's the process of a collective consience willing things into existance.
The reason why /x/ has such a hard time creating tulpas and succubi, is because they naturally do it for themselves individually and they have different tastes.
/pol/ ressurected a forgotten egyptian frog god because they shared the endgoal.

My knee jerk reaction to the right wing claim on meme magick is that it explicitly self interested, at the expense of other's suffering.

>>729643159
chaos magic is libertarian af

>>729643124
Yes, definitely. This is the aspect of collectivism I was trying to hint at. In order for the thread to stay alive, something/someone has to engage in it. Someone has to breathe life into it. In this way, I have always felt that if you don't like something... the best way to defeat it, is to starve it.

>>729643231
yeah makes sense actually. /x/ is a cesspool
also the endgoal here is what? shared politics?

>>729643207
former colleague of mine, media studies phd, named his new born son pepe. unknowingly, two months ago. goes to show where media studies is.

>>729643372
popular kid.

>>729643323
why is there no left-wing or anarchist activism on 4chan?

what about meme magick and deep learning being designed by elite insiders -- can they be tracked through traditional antifa tactics? temporally

>>729643372
lol

>>729643494
lol

>>729643159
well at least we know what has been at stake, while some were busy talking about the need for more effective political art, others put a wig on pepe and won the elections

>>729643505
they left. they were once on /b/, i think. this is mainly through asking around though and not a scientific measurement so don't quote me.

>>729643624
/pol/ took some ideas from /b/ and made it's own explicitly political thing

also i think the crassness on here goes against the current trend in popular leftism

i miss the days of lulz

>>729643523
deep learning definitely is held by the elites and my guess is that this will be - already is - a huge problem and mess. is meme magick engineered? holy cuck

>>729643723
agreed. /pol/ explicitly says fuck it all, we're gonna escalate it all. it's pure accelerationist practice.

>>729643803
there's platforms for deeplearning available for free from Google I think. But what would a person do with it?

>>729643911
Can you expound on this more?

>>729643911
do you think /pol/ sees its practices as escalation or as restoring an ordered past? or are they not exclusive

>>729644029
i hate the discrimination here where I have to verify that I am not a robot... jeez

>>729643922
google, baidu and others have open sourced their DL toolkits early on. the trick is that they significantly increase their access to data and user experience. it's not a philantropic thing. not at all.

>>729644078
LET ROBOTS POST

>>729644114
what do you think the main ambitions of the Left are right now?

>>729644045
>>729644029
it's less about computing, more about conjuring, i suppose, or pure amplification. worst case scenario as a state of being. even aesthetically, all the memes are incredibly ugly, on purpose

>>729644114
But it seems that is inevitable. I wonder what would deep learning make possible if not held by the elites? Or is this a matter of the left's motivations not lining up with the technology to sufficiently implement it?

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>>729644045
there's a very chaotic motion to some of what is happening on /pol/ but ideas like deus vult makes me think some of them view themselves as crusaders ridding the world of degeneracy

>>729644321
lol, shrug
virtue signaling

>>729644199
>9 ▶
> >>729644078
> LET ROBOTS POST
NO (clicks I'm not a robot, identifies cream bottles)

>>729644600
lol

>>729644460
you don't like the "screencapped 100 times" aesthetic?

engineered as in based on the pretext of actually getting ppl elected - if thats case in the us, not clear - but task force based, structured around a few big ones, like milo's boys. otherwise meme magic is just vice magazine snark

>>729644600
silly, robots cant read pictures.

>>729644740
i keep getting cars and street signs. BORING.

>>729644740
funny thing is, they can learn to, and select all the images with a gas station successfully

>>729644473
re the question "what would a person do with deep learning": strikes me as the same "what would a person do with a computer" question. "the left" doesn't specifically need DL. it's about a generally open and democratic access to tech

>>729644825
you think this is funnelling into learning for self driving cars?

>>729644825
cream bottles are the shit, dude

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"pray to kek 3 times a day"

>>729644921
well i often cant is there a bot tht can help me? also, does everyone keep getting really dirty ads or is it cause i watched porn this morng

>>729645000
definitely. all image recognition

I would prefer not to

>>729645074
this place is littered with dirty ads lol

>>729645074
>well i often cant is there a bot tht can help me? also, does everyone keep getting really dirty ads or is it cause i watched porn this morng
i think this part in parcel of the 4chan exp

could meme magick only happen here bc of the simplicity and limitations of the platform, the numerology of the threads, the lack of notifications, the necessity to actually read things into it?

where is the porn? (that took me three captchas)

>>729645262
all this and the anonymity. you're free to say what you'd like. withouth that aspect maybe the trump supporters wouldn't have found each other. they might have been too afraid to voice their political views with an identity attached

>>729645262
right, and the anonymity adds to the sense that there is something larger at work here

agree

i remember when they took away dubs (limiting numerology games) around 2013/2012. platform is mutable

>>729645411
of course the anonymity, goes without saying. but was wondering about the platform design itself. it's so rudimentary that it almost procures it's own mysticism. no need to do something like that on facebook, where everything is hyper-engineered and personalized.

>>729645362
u have to wait it will come to u, u cant go to it

>>729644947
seems like left needs to revisit polsci101... current left is not organized at all. What are its unified ambitions? What does democracy mean when stripped of humanism? These are fundamental crises. It can't just be virtue signaling... that's elitist.

>>729645538
i miss dubs. i forgot why moot took it away.

>>729645542
that's a wise outlook

>>729645592
does the left need to return to basic humanism? is that even possible given the technological landscape and what we know of 'human' now.

>>729645592
maybe we need to overcome right and left, or extend the political spectrum to up and down at least

>>729645592
yeah agreed. i don't think there are any unified goals and ambitions right now, and that poses a real problem.

>>729645787
interesting. maybe we need to add extra dimensions.

>>729645809
rlly dunno whut is meant by R/L at that point

>>729645888
>>729645787
that would be cool

>>729645809
intelligent infrastructures don't unify, they herd, while instilling the illusion of individualism, subjectivity

>>729645979
who designs the herding mech? individuals? previous mech? (herding mechanisms all the way down?)

they segregate

>>729645888
and more libido

>>729646142
pfft

>>729646099
>099▶
>>>729645979
>who designs the herding mech? individuals? previous mech? (herding mechanisms all the way down?)
definitely mechs

>>729646099
are technologies merely an extension of our existing tendencies

>>729646142
read vilem flusser's "vampyroteuthis infernalis"

>>729645952
Is left and right particular to nationalism? Are they both universalists/expansionists/imperialist? What is a nationless left? If no such thing, who is the citizen of the left?

>>729646311
no, we are extensions of technologies.

>>729646277
hard determinist much? sounds like u just ejected politics

nationless self! (?)

>>729646402
Meaning Politics in the traditional sense requires a sense of liberal Political subject and without such it is no longer Politics by definition? I still think a hard determinist can have a sense of "Grand Politics" in the Nietzschean sense...

>>729646541
glad u caught that.

>>729646357
interesting. us r/l is a particular thing but globally it's more right leaning as a whole, so sometimes the distinctions seem relative

>>729646402
not determinist. recursive. humans shape technologies shape humans etc. didn't do any good ever to insist on anthropocentrism and ada-problem-like logic. it's long over that there is some great engineer sitting there steering it all.

>>729646642
does this anonymity scare people? earnest q

one hour into the thread. posts getting more hostile. anyone else noticing? platform magick at work?

>>729646903
kind of but it's also kind of comforting. being attached to an identity is stressful sometimes

>>729646891
>not determinist. recursive. humans shape technologies shape humans etc. didn't do any good ever to insist on anthropocentrism and ada-problem-like logic. it's long over that there is some great engineer sitting there steering it all.
sounds like a vicious circle to me... not to be a dark cloud.

>>729646903
I don't feel fully anonymous for some reason. Because I know you guyzzzz. What scares me is that while I think I am anonymous, I actually may not be.

>>729647008
especially in times of über (and uber)-identity

>>729646958
yeah noticing this. we've bumped the thread up to the first page so a lot of anons are prob interacting with it and seeing it

ubernetics

>>729647008
>kind of but it's also kind of comforting. being attached to an identity is stressful sometimes
I agree. I think the degree of hostility in this environment is different too. But the implications outside of the platform can be quite devastating... thinking of the election etc.

>>729647019
I wonder if we have to come to some happy medium to make everyone happy. Like you have to straddle so many sides, and that leads to inability to act.

>>729647061
>I don't feel fully anonymous for some reason. Because I know you guyzzzz. What scares me is that while I think I am anonymous, I actually may not be.
it'd be funny to see who everyone thinks is who

>>729647290
yeah i think i know who is who and who is not us but it's hard to discern sometimes

>>729647380
i actually don't give a fuck who is who. i just like identifying gas stations.

>>729647290
>it'd be funny to see who everyone thinks is who
someone could fake an identity.

>>729647437
me too. I'm slow at it though. makes me feel like computers will render me obsolete

Best thing is responding to your own posts

>>729647444
sure though in this case they'd have to have enough knowledge abou these particular subjects to make a convincing fake

This new website has a lot of me mes stolen from reddit. 4 channers are loosers

>>729647611
should be an easy job for an ai. swipe all available data from social networks, read chat protocols, etc. there are things like this outside black mirror already, for people in mouring f.e.

>>729647719
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/shortcuts/2016/oct/11/chatbot-talk-to-dead-grief GRIEFBOTS

>>729647437
part of me can embrace that

>>729646958
im curious what makes the environment seem hostile? i almost want to identify myself... is it the anonymity that makes it hostile or the way arguments are posted?

>>729647838
it's real

>>729647853
not much of an edgelord, are you?

>>729647853
this is clearly an infrastructural technologies problem, no?

>>729648100
>not much of an edgelord, are you?
just not into making people feel super uncomfortable... lol

>>729647611
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/deep-web-tor-fake-identity-license/

>>729647853
"Can we talk about the distinction between left and right?"
"wheeeeewiiieee its getting heated in here!"

>>729648103
http://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/7013

>>729647853
i think there's elements of 4chan that make communication more aggravating, like the race to identify gas stations and keep up

>>729648532
yeah the image captcha is annoying

>>729648438
NAZIS

>>729648285
ahh cool. i like looking at the scammy sites that propose you can hire an assassin etc

>>729648642
tots. anyone have to draw around the signs now?

>>729648642
auto refresh would be good too. Im getting pissed a f

>>729648793
clicking auto below will help u.

no need to refresh manually

>>729648793
manual refresh is for losers

>>729648851
ok, thx lol

>>729648720
the anonymity is eerie. 0 accountability structure.

>>729648946
except, of course, what we talked about earlier in terms of which threads get reproduced and continue to generate content.

we are too insignificant. no one attacking.

>>729648995
does anyone know a serious 4channer??

>>729648851
>auto refresh would be good too. Im getting pissed a f
whats the consensus? is googlehangouts better? harder/better/faster/stronger? verifying my non-automatic self is becoming more and more difficult. Who knows... maybe I am already barred from entry?

>>729649089
i am one, posing as a noob

>>729649089
i don't know anyone who is still on here but lots of ppl who were on here heavily some years ago (myself included). this was my board of choice. also made fun of reddit endlessly.

>>729649160
uh oh speghetti-oh. well, tbh, i think 4chan is just trolls trolls trolls... all the way down

>>729649156
this is an interesting experiement though. i'm not fully opposed to here. though i'm down with whatever.

>>729649213
Paul? is that you?

is nick land on 4chan?

>>729649299
lol u can't guess that's killing the experiment

>>729649356
twitter exclusively. i think he thinks frog kin are beneath him.

>>729649160
someone plz troll us harder

>>729649430
fuck yes. we're such easy targets. where are the 13 year olds?

>>729649515
we shoulda posted in /pol/ if we wanted it spicier

>>729649430
lol omg, wish granted... also Nick Land jokes. Comeon guys. Let's talk about SDLD50? Feel badly about how they targeted Mo etc...

>>729649567
that would probably not be recordable tho

>>729649567
instead of boring /paul/

>>729649603
ahhhh

>>729649603
>lol omg, wish granted... also Nick Land jokes. Comeon guys. Let's talk about SDLD50? Feel badly about how they targeted Mo etc...
This is not the topic of the course, though. Just saying.

>>729649603
lol they're scrubs what's there to talk abt.

if we make an imageboard there can totally b a /paul/ and we can meme paul

>>729649754
paul asking us to meme paul. this is rich. ;)

>>729649754
making his face into a pepe?

>>729649847
pepe is dead and paul killed him

>>729649847
wow wow wo wo wowowowoow

So we are approaching the time limit crew...

does that work?

>>729649953
false flags all around. his name is robert paulson

i think paul is long gone

>>729650012
>false flags all around. his name is robert paulson
oh jeez.

>>729649953
lol yeah i'm just goofing off at this point

actually, paul was never here

what if the entire class had left, it was just 4chan teens the whole time... plus theo

>>729650214
i'd feel weird.

>>729650214
theology. that's where it all ends.

>>729650279
getting dark people. look at the time! I g2g.

>>729650464
lol yeah i should hop off as well. this was interesting, thanks yall.

alrighty, bye everyone

>>729650464
>>729650608
bye bye (anon myself, but id'd so many cars and signs, sigh)