Is there any positives to Communism? If so post them please!!!!

>>729548050
Cheap bread
&
Plenty of time to wait in line

>>729548050
Oh, it's practically perfect if you remove the human element. Humans are pieces of shit who can't run anything properly.

>>729548050
You get to insist that it works and all the times that failed weren't real communism.

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It really helps correct for global overpopulation!

>>729548050
Everyone is equally impoverished I guess.

>>729548413
>weren't real communism
That is kind of true, though. A communist utopia has never been achieved anywhere.

Great way to purge undesirable ethnicities under the guise of revolution

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>>729548050
True equality comrade

>>729548050
Well...it's really fun to punch faggy antifag's in the face
That's a positive

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>>729548050
Big pharma/corporations cant fuck you over.
Also free education. Altho it has its downsides too. Take cuba fir example. Its country has the highest amout of doctors per capita than any other country in the world. All you have to do is want to become one and boom youre in school for the next 8 years.
The down side is that there so many docs that most of them only work a day or 2 in the er. They even resort to hustling wares in the street just to make ends meet. And since cuba doesnt allow its citizens to leave they cant practice in other countries.

>>729548467
I dunno.
The Fatdemic in the USA kills way more :/

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>>729548050

>>729550881
>confusing shitty governments with the ideology of their leaders

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>>729548050

>>729548050
It is perfect, but very hard to implement. There is a progression to it, heavily influenced by technology and population, versus resource management.

Communism < Democratic Socialism < Liberal Capitalism (Current US) < Ultra Capitalism (Wild West) < Feudalism

If you try to push the population into already crowded industrial areas, you get Joseph Stalin levels of famine.
If you try to let your friends run your entire country (that have no idea what they are doing, specially running an oil plant) you get Venezuela.
If you throw in Nationalism and horde your resources and expel dissenters, then you piss off the rest of the world and you get Mao and Hitler.

We need real democracy and real transparency. Technology needs to improve for this transition. We need to see who our elected officials truly represent.
>Or just let AI run everything
>LUXURY GAY SPACE COMMUNISM

>>729548325
if it isn't compatible with humans it doesn't deserve to exist

>>729552362
That's retarded.

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I have to wonder who will sow the fields and work bone crushing jobs while all these Collage communists bum off the state.

>>729548598
Uh-huh. Because all the times before weren't real communism, right? Maybe next time it'll work and that'll be real communism. If not, then they just didn't do it right but next time it'll work and be real communism.

Someday we'll have a nice communist utopia because people are inherently good and selfless. Yep yep yep. Totally.

>>729552362
most of these things suck, but this does a good job, for once not confusing communism with marxist states.

everyone needs to remember that the USSR/China/Cuba etc way of attempting to reach socialism and beyond is only one of an infinite number of ways. Huge mistakes were made that need to be learned from.

>>729553355
but there is an actual definition to what communism is, and it has never existed lol. you sound extremely unintelligent

Every communist i have ever talked to will always claim he will be the commissar. They also claim they will have an easy life.

Thing is the real commissars will be Cletus and Jemal not Carl the cuck . Those are the ones who will be able to send you to the gulag. So be ready to do some rock moving my little commie boys.

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>>729553568
This motherfucker said it for me.

>>729553355
Technically, what's been tried was socialism. Communism has been tried in hippie communes and nowhere else -- nor can it exist without devolving into total chaos outside that setting.

>>729553163
You mean College?
They are probably designing solar fields, hydroponics labs, or curing diseases. Or maybe influencing the economy with original art work.
There will still be manual labor, but there will be so many people it will be spread out efficiently.

There's a ton of positives to Communism. Doesn't mean it isn't a failed idea.

>>729554205
that isn't correct, socialism is worker ownership and control of the means of production. in Marxist states industry is nationalised and centralised, i.e. state ownership and control. This is state capitalism

>>729548050
communism is dead, thats positive

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Yes. It failed in USSR because reasons

>>729554299
>They are probably designing solar fields, hydroponics labs, or curing diseases
Why haven't they done that already? the USSR had 80+ years to develop that under communism. Seems like Capitalism won in that regard.

>>729554696
>worker ownership
*social ownership. Government is social, of and for the people. government owned the means of production. Therefore, socialism.

I neither have the time or care for your no true Scotsman fallacies. It's wholly unimpressive.

>>729548050
Communism certainly made Russia and China more powerful than any other country within a short amount of time, despite the fall of the USSR, China seems to be doing alright even if they are economically Capitalist. The dream of communism died when Mao died

>>729555114
>even if they are economically Capitalist.
So they sold out on communism then?

>>729548050
The biggest positive point about communism, I think, is that it is currently the only form of government that could support an even bigger world population than we have now.
And our planet was never meant to support as many as 7 billion people in the first place.

>>729555288
yes, as all marxist states have done

>>729555106
that's absolute bullshit, how is an unelected state of a few thousand people controlling the means of production the same as every single person owning and having access to them?

you're rather deluded to be honest. just accept communism into your life :^)

>>729555755
I find it quite amusing that they don't practice what they preach. Sort of like the faggots who spout this shit at their local protests.

If it was so fucking good an idea,why did China the fucking definition of conformity(and sociopaths) fucking dump that shit.

I see the argument about "it works for a large population" why did 1,382,670,000 people bin that shit?

>>729555957
Yawn, no true Scotsman and sophistry. Oh well, thank god socialism and communism are relegated to the dark annals of history, never to tried again.

>>729548050
Population control because 100s of millions die.

>>729556475
That's something that happens due to bad management. Not as a direct result of any political ideology.

>>729548050
Sure if you are a top party member. You get everything while everyone else suffers.

>>729556391
You realize, and understand that you spouting "lelelel logical fallacy" proves nothing right?

You realize that you support a system that is, how the newfags say "cucking" you right. Like you're so painfully dumb, I actually pity you.

>>729556882
Yawn, AND ad Eminem.

>>729556391
>implying socialism isn't alive and well and works better than the American "system" in western Europe

>>729556633
Sure sure it wasn't real communism let's give it another try

>>729557119
Not socialism, sorry.

>>729556391
HAHAHAHA, nice counter argument. fucking nerd

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>>729557315
Never said any of that. Learn how to read before you fucking post.

>>729557402
Well, no, it's not outright socialism, but it has a lot of elements from socialism.

>>729556316
You're responding to a communist mate. I hate the governments of Marxist states too, they're not going to achieve socialism or beyond, and I don't believe many of them even want to. As usual, with huge power came corruption.

Although the people of Russia were better off under the USSR than before or after, the difference wasn't really enough for them, and they wanted liberal ideas. Well they're fucked now

>>729548050
the fact that its dying
almost dead really

>>729555288
as I said, the communist dream for china died when Mao died

>>729557626
yeah, Scandinavian social democracy is without a doubt the best system currently in existence. Maybe Rojava too if it lasts

>>729548467
I just love seeing youtube videos titled "BERNIE GETS TAUGHT A LESSON ABOUT BASIC ECONOMICS" and the thumbnail is him with the USSR in the background, you know? They're art

>>729557707
You do realize that so long as humans are in charge, it will never work, right?

>>729548467
Global capitalism has killed far more people than both communism and nazism combined.

>>729557906
Yeah, it's nice. It serves me well. Don't get me wrong, it's deeply flawed, just like every other system, but it seems to work fairly well.

And for all the ignorant fucktards, the Scandinavian Social Democracy has nothing whatsoever to do with communism, but yeah it's the best system.

>>729558022
Yeah that's probably true, which is why i'm an anarcho-communist, i.e. I believe in abolishment of the state and worker ownership of the means of production being brought out as soon as possible without some bullshit vanguard communist party trying to do it gradually and just becoming corrupted

>>729558501
>nothing whatsoever to do with communism
Okay, keep believing that.

>>729553355
I love it when capitalists say this about communism, while being the same people who react to anyone pointing out the decline and rising inequalities by saying "B-BUT THAT'S CRONYISM NOT REAL CAPITALISM IF ONLY WE COULD RETURN TO PURE CAPITALISM SHIT WOULD WORK PERFECTLY"

>>729557854
>as I said, the communist dream for china died when Mao died
So It can only work when you enforce it with the iron fist of a mad dictator. What is the difference between Mao and Robert Mugabe in that respect then? You will still have a despot sitting on gold toilet seats,while his people starve and work in labor camps. Can you answer to me this? I would like to know.

>>729558529
>anarcho-communist
That's an oxymoron if I ever saw one.

>>729558575
>communism
>worker ownership of the means of production
>stateless society

>scandinavia
>private ownership of the means of production
>states

alrighty_then.jpg

>>729558686
but communism involves a stateless society, which is exactly what anarchists want.

We've literally existed for 150+ years and you tell me it's an oxymoron? Why can't you just search it on wikipedia and read a little on it first?

>>729553355
I dunno man, countless people already risk their lives fighting wars for people who don't even know their name; if you can reach this level of systematic indoctrination you could probably teach people to be a little more selfless too.

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>>729558654
>rising Inequalities.
Capitalism isnt made to have equal results for everyone. Risk, hard work, and ability determine a sucess.

Maybe if you weren't a degenerate you would be successful too. I make 140k a year with 0 college experience because i'm not a fucking idiot.

https://discord.gg/MrnWd9k

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>>729548050
it must be pretty great being in the leaders circle of friends

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They sure can build tanks/weapons and kick nazi ass, They can also get muricans so shook that they build bunkers in backyards.

>>729558674
>So It can only work when you enforce it with the iron fist of a mad dictator.

That isn't quite what he was saying or what he meant.

China is still controlled by a highly authoritarian state, except they're full time capitalist porkies now instead of mao who was someone who genuinely believed in gradually establishing socialism and beyond

>>729558724
Did I say it IS communist?
It has certain things that you would find in a communist country. Like state owned TV and radio channels, conscription, and state owned telecommunications companies.

>>729558920
I like how that image defeats itself

>>729558869
No, communism involves a classless society. Which requires extreme measures to achieve. Therefore, big government. That's why "anarcho-communist" is an oxymoron.

>>729558920
>muh meritocracy

the bourgeoisie is only in the position it is because it has skimmed the labour value of its workers. we simply want to make society fair.

We aren't against employees with high wages such as you. merely those that employ and therefore exploit

>>729548050
Only if the thing put in charge to enforce it was a machine.
When humans try communism they fuck it up. You'd need a totally neutral element to enforce it.
Communism as it is now is "me, the leader, and the people I like get great lives, everyone else gets to eat shit"

>>729559183
There would not be states in a communist society, please read the introductory paragraph to communism on wikipedia. thanks

>>729559183
State owned tv and communications?
Sounds just like murica, except communism is up front about it.

>>729559493
What the fuck are you even trying to refute at this point? Did I fucking stutter?

>>729559336
>Which requires extreme measures to achieve.

That's true, but your leap to big government isn't. It could be achieved without state interference.

Source: Spain in the 30s, Ukraine in the late 1910s

>>729559552
This
>>You're a slave, but we tell you you're free, so you think you are

>>729559645
no, you're typing on a keyboard so I doubt it

I'm refuting you saying that state ownership would exist under communism. It would not, therefore they have nothing to do with each other

weird guy

>>729559493
Oh my sweet summer child...

>>729559136
Are you sure he would see himself as "equal" as per the rules?
I am sure Kim Ill sung believes he is equal as well.
I sort of wish i could prove that he would be just like any guy in charge but he died before he could get his gold toilet seat collection going.

You underestimate human greed my friend. Stalin Hitler Pol Pot etc all the same shit all wanted control and all got it using ideas. But in the end the motivation is not to be some benevolent savior. They just wanted to rule.

>>729559949
good analysis

>>729559822
Ah, I see, because all the TV channels and newspapers in the Soviet Union were privaetly owned, right?

>>729560006
Do we even mention North Korea? I mean, they have their own version of communism.

>>729560006
You could be right about mao, and the rest of what you're saying is correct. I'm the ancom from earlier so I pretty much agree with you, I believe in a different route to full communism

>>729558920
Exactly, if he tried being born in a rich family instead of whining he'd be better off. If you genuinely believe that the 8 richest people in the world (who now literally own as much wealth as the bottom 50% of the entire human population) achieved their money through hard work and legitimate contribution to society, you can't be reasoned with. You antagonize random groups who use welfare as the "evil leeches". Your employer, who pays you significantly less than you actually deserve for your labor is the true leech. If you can get rid of him (preferably with violence because it's been a long time since we've had a good revolution), you can finally be free.

>>729560080
No, they were state owned, as the USSR was a marxist state with a state capitalist economy, and was not communist as communism involves a stateless society

come on man i'm begging you don't make me explain it again

>>729559183
>commlism is wn teg hoverment dose stuf

>>729560358
you're speaking my language comrade <3

I live in a "democratic" society and I hate it..
Tax on everything (income is worst)
Tax on land I bought and paid for
No repayment of ui/compensation if not claimed
Wages are shit
Utility prices are atrocious
Food prices are ridiculous
Fines for even small offence (no seatbelt) $400
Immigrants being brought in by busload and taken care of (jobs/rent)
Welfare bums leeching off system

I truly hate my country and what it has become

It's a lot like everything. In theory it works great. It's a society with no class structure. No one is better off or worth more than anyone. But humans seek leaders and are corrupt so in the end it's worse than Capitalism because Coca Cola may pay off politicians but they only want to sell more Coke. Give the government control of ALL resources and land and things go bad.

ITT: Worthless individuals with no useful skills dream about a violent revolution so they can steal what they feel entitled to, under the guise of "social justice".
Luckily no revolution will ever happen, due to lack of useful skills, social skills included.

>>729560681
>Give the government control of ALL resources and land and things go bad.

As a communist, I certainly agree, but there are other ways to establish communism

If I ran my own country I would give welfare recipients and lazy fucks that don't want to work 3 options,

Move
Get a job (and keep it)
Die

What party would that be?

>>729560219
>they have their own version of communism.
And? That is just as valid as the rest that i hear. I don't want to use the "no true scotsman" shit because it a waste of time to point that shit out.
Not trying to sound like a dick about it.
>>729560240
I just don't think we could ever trust 1 man or even a group to lead us to this full communism you speak of. It goes against every self interest or even selfish thought a person has. There is no man on this planet who could not be "corrupted". If anything some alien with no human self interest would have to enforce it.

>>729560647
You know welfare makes up a very small percent of the budget right?

>>729561048
>I can't keep up with what the big boys are talking about so I'll just spout off some of my internal indoctrination. send reply

>>729561175
sounds like Victorian Britain. Unemployment is caused by lack of jobs btw not laziness, so you should kill our failing job creators instead

>>729561201
Spoken like a true keyboard revolutionary

>>729561189
>I just don't think we could ever trust 1 man or even a group to lead us to this full communism you speak of
I agree, it needs to be a huge popular movement or it won't work

>>729561069
Govt control over land is communism? Why do I pay my democratic govt taxes for the land I had to survey/stake and clear myself before I bought it from them?

>>729560358
I believe it is theft to want to redistribute that wealth. That's one thing i will never compromise on, you may be right about being paid for less than you are worth as labor but going around stealing money is wrong. No matter the justification you use it is theft.

>>729561548
I don't understand your first sentence, please explain? the government assumes it owns all land that makes up its territory unfortunately

>Why do I pay my democratic govt taxes for the land I had to survey/stake and clear myself before I bought it from them?

If you believe that the land should belong to all, well that's a communist belief, it's one I share

>>729548050
Hot Russian pussy.

>>729561775
But the rich stole it in the first place via the mechanism of waged labour, which is explained nicely here
>>729553885
and here
>>729554468

>>729561199
Welfare rates vary province to province so the "budget" varies accordingly. Btw I drive cab so I see too many welfare cases a day, I can do the math, the number of people I know/see at welfare time X what they all get per month (goes up ALOT if there's kids) oh, AND child tax cheque on top of that...

Yeah..more than a small part.

>>729561492
It would not work even then. Because of leader behavior, who leads us? Collectives are very bad at deciding stuff in time. Who enforces the rules?
We can't have humans because they will bend or break rules. Use cronyism and send people to gulag for annoying them.

>>729562185
unfortunately there simply aren't enough jobs to go round, so we shouldn't blame them

>>729554951
So was the USSR communism or not... these threads always degrade into contradiction.

Btw the US was beat in every inch of the space race... good job sending a man to the moon though, really accomplished a lot there...

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>>729549675
>Big pharma/corporations cant fuck you over
Can't fuck you over if you don't have access to healthcare or have healthcare restricted for being counter-revolutionary, enemy of the state or just too damn educated for your own good, homosexual, an ethnic minority, the wrong color, a city dweller, a rural type or more.

>Also free education
You have somebody else pay for your education up to 18, you also have the opportunity to study at community college, what you want is 'muh experience'

>>729554199
That is Africa, it is not even close to capitalist, instead you have Warlordism which is Communism, big strong central government... with a machete. Why is it the fault of free economy of one country to fix another country that is more Communist/One party state? Surely with Commies and their love of permanent revolution they should be in there building up these nations?

>>729554840
>>729554468
>>729554199
>>729553885
All made by college-educated, middle-class kids who's lifestyle was made possible by the success of their hard-working parents, they must be proud their child make a living drawing on the internet.

>>729562371
I disagree and I think that a new world is possible. The specifics of a post capitalist society are difficult to work out but frankly we desperately need something new

>>729562070
One thing always gets me about this idea.
If i made a new invention that was cool say a new phone. Why would you stop me from selling that?
Does it belong to the "people"? Even though i came up with the whole concept. Do i deserve the reward for the sweat of my brow? According to communism i don't get shit for my idea. Why is this?

>>729562672
First, start by reading the introduction to the wikipedia page on communism. You'll learn that it's the literal opposite of "big strong central government"! Then I would recommend Imperialism by Lenin, and reading up on world systems theory, which demonstrates why the capitalism of the west has created utter destitution in the third world.

>>729563028

According to the 'theory' of true Communism, in return for surrendering your invention to the whole, you get access to every other invention that gets invented by everyone else.

Everyone gives, everyone gets.

The theory rarely works out this way in reality. BY that, I mean it's never worked out that way.

>>729562185
Tell me anon, how much do you see daily on average?

>>729548050
Command economies seen in communist states are really good at making decisive moves.

Oh we need more solar panels? Build them now.

Oh we need more tanks? Build them now.

>>729563028
>Why is this?

Because you should do good things for their own sake, not for personal reward.

Even in capitalism the inventors themselves usually aren't the ones that reap the benefits as they're waged workers, just like the ones that assemble the phones in the third world, earning less in a year than the price of the very phones they're producing.

The ones that benefit are the shareholders.

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>>729563090
Oh my sweet summer child...

>>729563375
>communist states

this is an oxymoron as communism involves stateless society, it would be better to call them marxist states. Your point is spot on though

>>729549675
That is not true at all, you don't don't just want to become a doctor and that's it. You must make placement tests and they view your overall average if you don't get it they will send you to another work field wether you like it or not. Many of actual good doctors that make it are send to other countries as an exchange currency for oil or any other resources so Cubans are left with shitty medicine students from China, Brazil, Venezuela, Bolivia etc. And if you do make it to whatever degree you wanted once you graduate you must do 3 years (2 if you're a male because yoy already gave up one year in the obligatory military service) community service, a job in which you don't get paid as much and don't choose where you wanna work. So save the same old true statements****** said bourgeois commies that don't live in Cuba say.

>>729562678
It's naive to think that those people who enforce the rules would not "bend" them. It would start small extra loaf of bread all the way up to i get steak and wine you get dirt to eat. Just what humans do.

>>729563592
good analysis

>>729563726

Communism, like many things, works great on paper, but doesn't work out well in reality.

Theories rarely take human greed into consideration.

>>729563453
Oh, so you get to decide that I must not invent for my own benefit, only for the benefit of communist society?
Same whip, different whiphand.

>>729563726
I disagree and I believe that human nature is shaped by the society around it and not the other way around

see: the caveman days of working together and co-operating and freely sharing resources which some call proto-communism

>>729564024
no, the rest of society decides that. don't be so selfish mane!!!!!

>>729563090
you know why they are called utopian ?
because they'll never get to the point where they get rid of the big strong central government
that is the lie they tell to get gullible idiots to support them
but every single time it gets implemented it stops as soon as they get in power, then instead of kicking the government and giving power to the people, they kick the people and keep the power to the government
EVERY SINGLE TIME
you'd understand how flawed and childish of an ideology it is if you could understand that it goes against basic human nature
the real objective of all socialist/communist ideas and its vertents its all the same, its just to steal power from the group in charge
they dont give a fuck about the people or the workers, its a ruse to get them to power, because they would never achieve that through competence
and you can see that its always the most incompetent people that goes with it

>>729563644
>>729563090
>>729563300

>Theory overrules Practical
>Even if Theory is wrong, we still refer to it and hold it up
>Every Practical application of Communism deviates completely from theory in every way possible
>Not even vaguely able to remain true to source
>Even Lenin
>Even Trotsky
>Even Mao
>Even Stalin
>Still proclaim Communism can be done, should be done and will be done just like the theory

>>729563889
It's not human greed, pinko. 2 + 2 = 4, not 5. Theories change, bad ones are rejected.

>>729564030
Except that never happened. Humans have traded for as long as we have produced stuff.

>>729564132
"the rest of society" AKA communist leadership.

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>>729554199
Crap. Only 20 million per year? No wonder we're breeding like rabbits.

Man the gas vans!

>>729563889
the funny thing is that it doesnt even work on paper
yet people keep parroting the bullshit you just said like it was true
study that shit and you'll see that it doesnt work even as an idea

>>729563453
>Because you should do good things for their own sake, not for personal reward
That does not put food on the table. Being paid in good feelings has never worked well.
Case in point that worker in Japan who was overworked and "paid" in thank you notes.(look it up its a tragic story)

You can't even ensure 100% that i would be aptly compensated for the new idea by what it is worth to peoples lives. Like if i made a brain transplant machine would i be given the same "reward" as someone who makes hairbrushes? Not all contributions to society are equal.

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Heil, comrades!

Ever thought what would happen if you were assigned a job that you hated? What if you ended up detesting your job, the people around you, your superiors?

>>729548050
It starves, brutalizes, and enslaves communists.

>>729548050
Marxist socialism is fundamentally different from other brands of socialism. While the other want socialism for ethics reason or personal conviction, what Marxist socialism do is to remodeling the society and humanity because it is necessary.

Marx predict the ultimate crisis of capitalism system, that is the never ending conflict between private property aka "personal interest, human nature" and large scale socialistic production aka "globalisation, state control in production".

The only way out is, one, destroying the large scale production, return to good old day of local kings. Or two, abolishing the private property, changing the human nature, building a brand new type of society.

>>729564891
>your superiors
To the gulag with you because if they found out they would snich on you for an extra loaf of bread. While of course the leader wines and dines.

>>729565082
Shame he could not predict his way in to a job. Instead of living off his rich friend and abusing his wife.

>>729558575
t. Bernie voter

>>729565216
On the bright side, you get a new job, get to travel the country, meet interesting people. Isn't that what young kids want?

>>729565447
its funny how all the people that follow it shares the same behaviour
living off rich parents
living off government welfare
living off someone else, but never living off from their own work, providing for themselves

ideology of parasites

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>>729564891
Before anything else in your post, you mean the one day a week job?

>>729558501
They are living off decades of accumulated wealth from a very open mindset to free-form capitalism. They are experiencing vastly diminishing returns now and the system can not support a further decade or two.

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>>729565904
>one day a week job?
This is was pinkos actually believe.

>>729565842
I like to say
>like father like son.
Hes the father of the movement and they are being so good sons.

All you capitalist cucks deserves to be put into gulag. Your cuckoldry is disgusting. Never take your capitalist masters cock out of your mouths, cucks

>>729552362
Retardation on so many levels
>Technology frees people
Communists take the means of production from productive people;
-Russian farmers had their tools taken from them
-Cambodians were removed from a complex economy and made to do agrarian work, the rice was traded (at a very low value) for the bullets which were used on those who resisted the inhumane living conditions.

The idea that Communist countries use technology is economically retarded; When government is responsible for job creation, make-work projects are very inefficient and a drain on society.

>>729566157
You just spoke out against the people. You go with them to the gulag as well.

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>>729548050
Best thing about communism: gets economically-entitled white kiddies who dream of being plantation slaveowners completely buttblasted.

Other than emancipating the people from those chains of capitalist ruling class oppression known as the private ownership of property, of course.

>>729566473
good point
communism works as an advanced form of IQ test

>>729566473
This desu. Whitey scums btfo

>>729566473
>>729566640

Why not start your own means of production?

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>>729566318
>implying the owners of capital are "productive"

Oh, fairy tales! Tell me another story from Ayn Rand Fantasy Land.

>>729566637
t. White boi with an iq of 90. Don't be jealous of communist chinks white boi

>>729566820
because they obvisouly arent smart enough for that
lazy fucks want to steal other people shit, but they are too much of a coward to do that too, so they hide behind an ideology that promises that will do it for them

>>729548050
Watch this ideo OP and anyone who hates communism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz1FGRm2oCU

>>729548598
Fucking off yourself please

>>729564524
Capitalism doesn't work on paper either. Money invented out of thin air. It's hocus pocus, and it relies on an ever increasing population. If the pyramid is growing, the dopes at the bottom can have some hope of rising.

When the oil or wheat dwindles, or the population grows too high to sustain, watch the fuck out. When human numbers start to shrink, capitalism will fall apart too.

>>729548050
Communism believes in equality for all. Taxing the rich at a higher level so that the common man and woman so that you can receive things like healthcare and a funded education. It does not involve taking your tooth brush but equally distributing resources from those who have more than they need. No longer does one have to rely on a wealthy capitalist to spread their resources on their own terms. People on here are saying communism does not work because people are shit but this is why it is needed. Cuba for example gained a 99% literacy while under communism and Russia modernized at a level that allowed it to catch up with the rest of western Europe. A majority of the anti-Communist things you here are from western outlets. From funding terrorists to coup d'etats in Cuba, Vietnam, Brazil, Ghana, Iraq, Afghanistan, and several other countries. History is written by the victors after all.

>>729548050
ATTENTION RETARDS: UNDER COMMUNISM, THE WORKERS OWN AND CONTROL THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION. THIS WAS NEVER THE CASE IN THE SOVIET UNION, CHINA, VIETNAM, NORTH KOREA, OR ANY OTHER COMMUNIST COUNTRY. THIS MEANS THAT ON THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL, THOSE COUNTRIES ARE/WERE NOT COMMUNIST. PERIOD.

/cruise control

>>729566853
What is Apple inc
They have capital and they produce a new phone every year. That is productive. They are producing a product.

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>>729567201
Keep bringing that sweet class consciousness to the people, comrade!

>>729548050
Positives? Not a U.S. capitalist regime, with federal militaristic tendencies.

>>729548050
Free clothes.

>>729567170
Why would Capitalism require money being made out of thin air when communism doesnt? Every Socialist/Communist government to ever exist had to inflate their own currency to sustain themselves short term and then collapsed shortly after. Look at the most current; Venezuela and China. Right now China is Inflating their money so that their equivalent of a dollar is cheaper than the world market and countries can buy their products "cheaper" (it doesnt work that way in reality). While China has a huge economic footprint, theyre starting to be in trouble precisely because their population is growing ever so quickly and theyre inflating their money so damn much to compensate. Your argument is actually the opposite of capitalism.

>>729567172
>Communism believes in equality for all.
Except for the leader who is more equal and has more of a say than the others. I dare you to say anything bad against him while he rules. because we both know where you will end up.
Kim Ill sung says hello.

>>729567201
ATTENTION RETARDS: UNDER CAPITALISN, THERE ARE NO LAWS AGAINST FREE TRADE. THIS WAS NEVER THE CASE IN THE USA, FRANCE, JAPAN, SOUTH KOREA OR ANY OTHER CAPITALIST COUNTRY. THIS MEANS THAT ON THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL, THOSE COUNTRIES ARE/WERE NOT CAPITALIST. PERIOD.

/cruise control

>>729567542
>communism
>currency

You must be thinking of state capitalism. Money and markets don't exist in communism.

>>729567394
How can you say that? Most communist countries have slaughtered their own people with the force of their military..
>Russia 20 million people
>China 40 million

to name 2

>>729567170
you have no idea of what you are talking about
capitalism doesnt invent money out of thin air, banks do
capitalism is just a trading system, its not the opposite of socialism/communism despite what you have been told
its not a government system

>>729567542
You didn't address what really matters - population growth, resources, and the hierarchical pyramid of capitalism. You only babbled about money creation. Yeah, money is artificial bullshit in all systems. It's just more blatant in capitalism, and done in a way that more directly steals from the masses, that's why I mentioned it.

>>729567752
It was a necessity

>>729567172
reality shows the opposite of the bullshit you just said

>>729548529
Better not to have a flat screen than avoid eye contact with those starving on the street ¯\_(ツ)_/
¯
>>729548758
Hey its fun to purge you too

>>729549675
>>729552370
Heck yeah my comrade

>>729553163
Ever hear of the years of lead, General René Schneider, or the Contras?

>>729567759
>capitalism is just a trading system

Capitalism is an economic substructure characterized by private ownership of capital, wage labor, and profit-driven market exchange. Communism is not "the opposite of" communism, but it is an entirely different system that does not have these three things. It's a world as different from capitalism as capitalism was from feudalism, and certainly does not mean "when the government interferes with muh free markets".

>>729567654
How would money and markets not exist in Communism.. you can give names to whatever you want but it doesnt change the concept of bargain.. Even when Stalin was the leader of the Soviet Union there was a *market for the oil they sold and *currency to buy/sell those products. What kind of propoganda have you been taught?
>Communism is good because there are no banks within it to be corrupt and oppress the nations people

Ya...fucking...right..

>>729567328
I think we were in the same thread the other day, too.

>>729567964
>Ever hear of the years of lead, General René Schneider, or the Contras?
No sorry i don't listen to hip hop.

>>729567759
>capitalism doesnt invent money out of thin air, banks do
Oh christ, fuck you. Banks are the managers and engines of capitalism. Banks creating money out of thin air is the mechanism for capitalism making money out of thin air.

Fuck off.

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>>729552370
>Communism < Democratic Socialism

Yeah, I think Europe already proved that evolutionary socialism is a dead end.

>>729568237
capitalism existed before banks
back to school

>>729567594
Would recommend reading this if you have the time: http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/if-north-korea-isnt-communist-then-what-it-14394 there are different type of Communism but as Mao said the key to the revolution is consistent progress not stagnation.

>>729567948
Reality shows what happens when the world is pushed against you. If other nations unified to put the same pressure on the united states as they received during their uprisings things would look different.

>>729554468
>being a giant hand holding a big-ass hammer
>not clobbering the asshole with a bag of money for a head

I really hope your working class doesn't do this desu

Penis, penis, penis, penis VAGINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>729548050
they love killing each other

>>729568215
They are all stories of how the United States wrongfully funded enemies of the revolution and caused the schism in the middle east you see today

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>>729568526
>implying capitalists don't love killing each other

>>729568446
>there are different type of Communism
No true scotsman.

>>729568084
>How would money and markets not exist in Communism

Uh, by definition? Just because you can't imagine a world different from the one you happened to be born into doesn't mean that a different world can't exist. Capitalism has only been around for a few hundred years, after all.

>>729568434
>capitalism existed before banks
sauce, nigger

>>729567841
I only "babbled" about creation because i was arguing a point in the previous comment..
In communism, very very few see the fruits of the system. In capitalism most people do. Look at any documentary of the cold war and you will not be able to say that any of the point you mentioned are better with communism as oppose to capitalism. In every way, Capitalism succeeds where communism fails. The biggest difference is Communism teaches equality between the peasants and Capitalism teaches equity. That is why communism is morally corrupt; because it does not allow its citizens the *opportunity to thrive and puts everyone in a shitty place, where as capitalism allows growth. This is also why as communist nations fails they have to expand their borders in order to survive. Most recently, Russia expanding to Crimea and Ukraine and in the near future probably Lithuania and Latvia. This was also a very big reason for their expansion in the cold war. They couldnt sustain their nation with its own resources and value and thus had to expand in order to compensate.

>>729568257
By doing what? Bringing one of the longest periods of peace and scientific innovation to Europe? The EU was founded in 1993

>>729568446
if if if if if
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ndoB0Y3HOU

they didnt, reality doesnt exist in your if if ifs
reality exists on facts

>>729568642
Just shut the fuck up.

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>>729568681
Theological capitalism needs no sauce other than its holy book!

>>729568681
history books nigger

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You people are all uneducated retards. What has occurred all over the world wasn't Communism but Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism and Maoism.

Communist states failed because of corruption. And Capitalist-America uses it as propaganda as the "failures of communism"

In reality it works like this:
>Joe owns a well. The only well in the entire city.
>Since Joe has rights to the well, he charges water to the highest bidder.
>Joe becomes very succesful.
>But in Communism the towns-folk kill Joe, take the well, and distribute it equally among the townsfolk.

What part of Robbin Hood weren't you turds paying attention to?

>>729568882
>when i don't have a rebuttal

Freedom is its own prison. When you can't do anything about your shitty situation, you have nothing to worry about. Whatever happens happens.

>>729567201
>THE WORKERS OWN
What do you do for work?

Who is stopping you from buying shares in that company and "owning the means of production"?

Also, your caps lock key is on, nigger.

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>>729568792
Oh, and look - we're swinging back to right-wing nationalism and the capitalists still have all the power. Good job - we're really making a lot of progress the good-old liberal way!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz1FGRm2oCU

WATCH THIS VIDEO EVERYONE IF YOU HATE COMMUNISM (or need a reason to hate it)

>>729548467
Bernie Sanders was not a communist and did not want to instate communism. Strawmen are the most basic conservative fallacy. Grow a brain.

>>729568945
sounds like your buttocks are in pain comrade

>>729568945
fucken saved.jpg

>>729568681
http://www.localhistories.org/banking.html this states it was in the early 1000BCE but Laissez-faire economics began later than that. I think OP meant trading and greed

>>729569095
Very little difference between communism and scialism. Besides, in most cases a socialist country migrates towards communism. Marx even said it himself

>>729569002
>caps lock on

That's what
>cruise control
means you illiterate punk

>>729569272
marx said a lot of things, he didnt get a single one right

>>729568955
>You people are all uneducated retards

Based on your post, I guess I believe you. You seem to be a leading expert on uneducated retardation.

>>729568834
Let me rephrase it then. This is what happens when you sponsor terrorism and propaganda against another country. It is why the cult of personality in places like North Korea are currently working while places like Cuba are slowly declining into capitalism.

>>729568536
and? If you think that is proves that communism does not do that. Then it's very shitty evidence. Should i list how many people that was sent to the gulag for speaking out?
>>729568882>>729568955
Point proven. It's all the same shit what ever you re-brand it as. It failed and will continue to fail.
>Communist states failed because of corruption
Can you even achieve this so called perfect communism if its one downfall is human greed. No human born will ever be this communist savior who has no self interest or selfish desires your idea fails at the first hurdle of human emotions.

>>729569448
I agree. Im debating against this /btard commie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz1FGRm2oCU

>>729553885
>implying that businesses just sort of appear out of nowhere to oppress workers
What begins a business, anons? It's not some egg-shaped faggot in a tux pulling it out of his ass, to be sure...

>>729569491
all cool and dandy, but communism/socialism still never worked

>>729569554
communism is fundamentally morally wrong to begin with.. as i said earlier it focuses on "equality" not "equity. You restrict your citizens the ability to have any freedom of class and bankrupt opporunity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz1FGRm2oCU

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>>729568882

>>729568955
>Joe searches for water, while others drink, laze around, fuck about
>Joe, thanks to hard work and study, finds traces of water
>Joe has several failed attempts
>Joe eventually finds a source of water
>Joe digs for the water while all others fuck around, laugh at him and generally don't think ahead
>Joe then sells the water he located, he processed and he bottles
>Joe is a smart man, he then invests in the local area
>Bob shows up, he wants to sell a nice, tasty taco to go with the water

>>729569272
Again you are using those words wrong. A full socialist system like in Venezuela is not what Bernie Sanders intended to instate. You know that. You fucking know it and you ignore it on purpose because these buzzwords are convenient for manipulating idiots, you narcissistic pile of shit. The only "socialist" things Sanders stood for is free college and free healthcare. That's actually the standard for first world countries and you're perpetuating the United States collective fellatio to big bankers and corporates by standing against it.

>>729569080
In some situations you can use socialism as a step in the right direction. Win peoples minds and show them the perks of communism. So many people now think the communists will take away their jobs and destroy their lives

>>729569830
>free college, free healthcare
there is nothing free in this world dumbass

https://youtu.be/4xLVySuwbOo

>>729569889
only way socialism can be a step in the right direction is if your end goal is to kill the entire country/population

>>729569828
>Joe dies from old age.
>Joes spoiled ass son, Nick takes over the family water business.
>Nick has a huge cocaine and gambling problem.
>New generation of indentured servers to feed Nicks massive cocaine habit.

Wait, what the fuck were we talking about again?

>>729570180
I'm so sick of this meme. EVERYONE KNOWS that stuff that's paid for by the government is paid for through taxes. That doesn't mean there's no difference between paying for it upfront and paying for it through taxes. That's like saying "What's the point of getting insurance? Your benefits are paid for by your premiums, dumbass."

>>729569889
>So many people now think the communists will take away their jobs and destroy their lives

Well, how long is it going to take your system to bring class consciousness to the people and bring about a transition to a capitalism-free society? As it is now, apparently all it's good for is dispelling revolutionary fervor and being a stabilizing tool that serves the global capitalist ruling class.

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>>729569830
Get niggers working, get illegals paying taxes, get the fatties to stop eating, get the students to study something worthwhile.

YOU HAVE COMMUNITY COLLEGE FOR YOUR SHITTY LIB ARTS DEGREE, STEM IS DYING IN FAVOR OF GARBAGE COURSES.

That is the real reason you want free education, you want your poor choices to be erased. I am so very glad people are against doing so.

>>729570416
Small ideas feel big to tiny minds.

>>729569830
>free college
I would support if you remove the women's studies and all the other "social sciences" They do not get a free ride. You better be in STEM or you are not getting shit for free.

>>729569554
The amount of deaths throughout communist Russia are greatly misunderstood as they are often mixed in with the amount of casualties suffered on the eastern front you know that right?

>>729570354
If that happens, his business fails. Another pops up to replace him.

>>729569830
You really need to grow up and stop pretending that there would be any less corruption in Bernies utopia. You know what creates corruption? Having a large government. It creates an environment where theres less accountability for the politicians. Besides you lack the ability to have any foresight into what "free" healthcare and "free" college would do to the nation. Give it 10 years in New York. I GUARANTEE that college education will suck more than anywhere else. You know what free college does? It waters down the job market. A GED doesnt mean jack shit because everyone has one now. Imagine a world where everyone goes to college after high school and everyone gets a bachelors. What does that mean? "When everyone is super no one is super" A bachelors degree wont mean jack shit when you look for a job. Not to mention "free" college will create less incentive for a better education. Teachers will get paid the same regardless of how well their students do.

>>729569554
>Can you even achieve this so called perfect communism if its one downfall is human greed. No human born will ever be this communist savior who has no self interest or selfish desires your idea fails at the first hurdle of human emotions.
>Can you even achieve this so called perfect communism if its one downfall is human greed. No human born will ever be this communist savior who has no self interest or selfish desires your idea fails at the first hurdle of human emotions.

/thread

>>729570552
>Holodomor
>Red Terror
>White Terror
>Gulag system

I would call you retarded but I have seen retards operate a door, a fork and many other simple tools.

>>729570354
>meanwhile jack decides to find water on his own instead
>jack start his own water business and nick goes bankrupt with cocaine debts because he knows fuck all about how to run his family business
it all works fine as long as you dont have government stopping people from starting their own business
as in, Nick has a government friend that lobbys for a law making it illegal to start up new water business

>>729569715
Besides you know Cuba and Russia where they were able to receive record rates of literacy and modernize to the world that surrounded them. Russia was able to go from a backwards nation run by a king to building train networks to connect its vast land. Socialism is what brought children out of mines and things like the 5 day work week

>>729568956
I'm not even the fag you're arguing with, but you should take "muh logical fallacies" back to redit with you, along with your fedora.

>>729570552
>The amount of deaths throughout communist Russia are greatly misunderstood
Are you saying "Stalin dinndoo nufin"
Because we do have very good historical documents about the USSR.
What about the slaughter of the royal family. Shame you could not just kick them out. But you had to go all the way and just kill them on orders from Lenin.

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>>729570747
>Hmm, should I go to Joe's water, quality has slipped and it's more expensive. I don't agree with what he's doing either.
>Maybe I should take my business to this Jack guy, the quality is better, the price is slight better and he is local.

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>>729570742
>inb4 we didn't actually kill them
>we just let them starve while keeping the world's resources to ourselves

>>729570416
everyone also knows that stuff works a billion times better without government interference
and you are advocating to the opposite
you are just forcing a middle step into the transaction and it happens to be the worst most expensive and most corrupt middle step that anyone could ever find
how dumb does that sound

>>729570315
You know China has the highest population in the world due to its advancements in agriculture right?

>>729570807
Those literacy rates can be tampered with. In a nation where nothing leaves and nothing comes in without big brother watching, its very easy to spread disinformation to and from your citizens. The Russian disinformation campaign during the cold war was unfathomable. More people in China speak english than people in America. Does that mean they have a better english literacy rate than America? I know thats irrelevant to the point you and i are making, but it goes to show that information can be distorted. If you havent figured it out, the above fact is due to the billions of people living in China, therefore more people are english speaking than the amount of people living in America.

>>729570972
My only point is that a resource will always be exploited for profit. People will die because they cannot afford it. How does that fit in your "free market" ideals?

>>729570807
it was such a great place that both needed the government death threats and army to stop people from fleeing those shitholes
but hey, the schoolboi in a 1st world country that never even visited those places know better when he says communism works

>>729570431
It will take times. Look at the alt right movement for example I have friends now who are against liberal or democratic governments because they fear they will cut military spending and lower the minimum wage when in fact they want to raise it to $15 an hour in Canada and the conservatives cut spending and wasted it on funding for a hot dog that would not burst and a fake lake for cottages in Ottawa while the liberals gave the money to vets during this round of funding.

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>>729570990
Why is Africa suddenly Capitalist? Communist back-rebels overthrew the breadbasket of the continent and now they can not feed themselves.

>>729571125
>Having fuck-huge tracts of arable land and a massive coast is a advancement in agriculture

It has nothing to do with the technology, the science and the experience researched and perfected in the West. They had a famine 50 years ago and thought that same plants would not compete to resources, they shot all the common sparrows so they would not eat the seeds, this allowed insects to destroy the seed bed.

I implore you to read.

>>729571325
There is no basic need that is not given in the West, if people refuse those offers and instead buy a PS4, two TVs and an Iphone each for their brood of children, that is not a fault of the economic model, that is a problem with personal responsibility.

>>729571325
in a free market you can go explore it on your own, instead of dying

>>729571530
>Wants $15 minimum wage so everyone can get paid more who works
>lacks the foresight to see where this can go wrong
>Mcdonalds fires employees because its too much money
>Creates and automative ordering system to compensate for loss of employees
>Leftists get freaked out and angered at the fact that they would do such a thing

What do you expect?

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Atheism
I can't think of anymore.

>>729571325
>People will die because they cannot afford it.

There is no resource in the West that people can not afford, they are given money by the State explicitly to purchase food, water is cheapest here than anywhere in the world.

>>729571781
this
if you raise minimum wage to $15, you just made every single job that produces less than $15 to become economically impossible to sustain

>>729571885
Healthcare? Education? I would argue that educating our Americans and making them smarter would increase tax revenue tenfold.

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>>729571781
>Wants $15 an hour to assemble a burger
>Not get the fires, another $15 worker will do that
>Not cook, another $15 worker will do that
>Not serve, another $15 dollar worker will do that
>Not take your order, another $15 worker will do that
>Not order the merchandise to assemble the burger, another $15 worker will do that
>Still can't assemble the burger correctly

>>729570956
The tsar at this time was believed to be appointed by God with the whites still fighting to bring him to the throne there were little other options.

>>729570990
It's funny when you break out that image. Like Communism would even care about them. But i will play the game. What will communism do to fix it?
>clean water for everyone
Could be done. Man hours taken for everyone at best 100 years
>hunger
Now this is going to be your downfall who's going to make the food if they wont get rewarded for it. Unless you force them with beatings and gulag visits.
>vaccines
Again unless you chain some poor scientist to a lab with a commissar ready to whip his ass how do you expect to make 3,000,000 vaccines? Forced labor? Threaten his family?
>20 million deaths
If it is so evil i expected it to be in the billions. Does that include workplace accidents? that comes under easily preventable what about getting bitten by a animal? that preventable as well. What about death by stupidity? like the guy who froze to death because he tied balloons to a garden char and floated 6 miles up.

>>729548050
You can kill more people than Hitler did, but no one will really give a shit if it's not racist.

>>729572079
>Education
Your education is provided by the tax-payer up to the age of 18.

>Making them smarter would increase tax revenue tenfold.
Then why are STEM, trade schools and other major, hard working trades dying? Why are poor, easy and dead-end careers in liberal arts, creativity thriving, yet providing negative gains on employment?

Community college is cheap, available and able to do many of the course to ensure a great quality of life. No, people want the college experience, not the education.

>Healthcare
Please see the first part of >>729570483

>>729571315
I agree with you and that is one of the reasons debating Communism is difficult. The amount of disinformation on both sides is incredible. Both claim that the other will end in starvation and unemployment. The Cuban government however has vastly opened its doors to capitalism and made this information available to our western nations

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>>729572447
Wow, racists are so persecuted. Almost makes you feel bad for those worthless, entitled man-children.

>>729571434
There was vast amounts of internal tourism throughout satellite states and pro communist literature published from within though you may dismiss this as forced

>>729572223
Ah the old
>if i don't like someone i will use violence against them
I see you proudly hold up that tradition even today.(Antifa)
Funny because the UK has a monarchy with a parliamentary system for representative of the common man. The UK Queen has so little power she just serves as a figure head. They did not need to kill the royal family to "remove" them from power. Only 1 person tried to and he was so disliked he was beheaded after death.

>>729569830
>venezuela
>socialist
boy.

Actually, there is a field of study called-economics. Macro-economics is a study of economics throughout history. IMHO, a large number of posters could benefit from such study. In retrospect--probably not.

>>729571781
It guarantees a basic level of income throughout the country. A place like McDonalds can at that time pull all of its resources but will then lose out on a market of millions of people. All levels of employment would increase in monthly earnings but it would make sure that those on the bottom still have enough to support themselves.

>>729572739
I would disagree. The argument of Communism vs Capitalism comes down to its roots of morals and values. Communism is immoral imo and oppresses its citizens. Every communist society collapses. Russia goes through this ever 30 years and they never learn. Currently their economy is collapsing if you dont know. Admittedly, Putin has been one of the most successful leaders of Russia and its still collapsing. I hope you have really REALLY studied the history of communist states before making your argument today. I spent all day friday reading and watching documentaries about these commuist nations and it is just factually incorrect to say they dont end in starvation and unemployment. Please do research. Eventually these nations topple and collapse either through famine, inflated currency, corruption, or civil war/revolution.

>>729549675
That's a bunch of bullshit, actually. Cuban doctors are the most "exported" to any place in the world. They go completely voluntarily. You're also allowed to leave the country any time you want.

>>729548050
Communism is perfect for useless losers who can't accomplish anything through capitalism

>>729573728
-If- you are one of the privileged elite.

>>729573171
It interesting you say that Anitfa (I am not one of them) are violent but I always see videos of the guys in the "Goodnight left side" sweaters posting about attempts to bash in leftist skulls. It is much like the proxy wars of the cold war they happened to send a message. Completely overthrowing the old regime sounds better than moving them out of their house and into the eyes of the public

>>729573345
Why would it lose the market of millions? What logic did you use to come to that reasoning? People wont stop eating mcdonalds because they chose to hire less employees. What does it do to smaller business owners who cant afford a $15 minimum wage AND pay for their employees healthcare per the laws of Obamacare for anyone working 40 hours or more.

What will happen if everyone makes $15 an hour? Take an economic class and youll understand.. The price of goods everywhere will increase. All you do in that case is inflate the monetary value of good because those companies who sell you them must make up for having to pay their employees $15. Not only that, but companies will see a $15 minimum wage as a way to hike prices because now people can afford them more expensive. Please, i beg of you.. please study the effects of economic policy in every way of the consumers life. People dont realize how much theswe policies affect them. They think that having these things will be good but never think through how this will affect YOUR life, being a consumer.

You should also look up the effct tarrifs have on consumers. If Bernie sanders had said he will enforce a Tarrif you wouldve liked it, but no, Trump did. and Tariffs are deeply not republican.

>>729573870
This past weekend at Berkely it was the Antifa who thre 10+ M80s into the crowds, it was the Antifa who pepper sprayed the crowd, it was the Antifa who were caught carrying knives.. Both sides were violent, but the antifa were the ones to show up with these weapons. Have some intellectual honesty and do your research.

>>729571585
Africa was overthrown by colonial powers. Or are you not educated in what happened throughout the history of the Congo under Leopold II of Belgium?

>>729574315
>Colonial Powers
Is that Austin Powers' father?

>>729574315
Which university do you go to?

>>729574285
Yeah there are also videos of antifa with baseball bats chasing down leftists and singing we are the champions when they were forced to retreat or do you just think they out debated them?

>>729548050
All authoritarianism has the same hypothetical benefits of efficiency and effectiveness, which always becomes corruption and abuse of power.

>>729573870
>Completely overthrowing the old regime sounds better than moving them out of their house and into the eyes of the public
Did it work? History says it did not. and just caused despots to fill the void instead. You can't tell me that Lenin, Stalin etc were any damn better. Even worse in my opinion. Because at least a royal family have been shown how to rule by the ones that came before them. Lenin was just jealous he did not have a shot at it. and organised he little sideshow. To bad he did not see Stalin bumping him off and seizing power eh?

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>>729552775
Doesn't mean it shouldn't.

>Pic related.
I have won this argument.

>>729574477
I am with the navy now took European history classes after high school