Are you a liberal anon? If no, what do you hate about liberalism?

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>>729532014
Yes I'm a liberal. And the Democratic party is NOT liberal. They're corporatist scum just like the Republicans.

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before and after liberalism

>>729533899
liberalism causes normal human ageing?

>>729533899
i don't think they are the same person anon

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>>729532014

Uhm... you guys turned into Nannys who want to dictate every aspect of life - on top of that you have an obsession with sex and genders that is right up there with religion. You went from free speech hippies to control freaks in just a couple generations. Conservatives may be retarded - but liberals literally are starting to eat their own, and have nothing positive to offer.
>vision of the future
Your vision of the future is a weird sexless socialist blob where no one is happy because to be happy indicates some sort of "privilege" .... uhm... no thanks.

>>729532014
>Are you a liberal anon?
No
>what do you hate about liberalism?
Progressivism, reformism, and social democracy.

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>>729535037
What a dumb post. When you generalize like that, it makes you seem like a fucking idiot and someone that's not to be taken seriously.

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>>729532014

I thought I was liberal. Until I was called conservative (like it's some form of insult to be conservative) by one local far-left feminist bitch. I really liked Bernie Sanders because he was pro guns plus a liberal. I have supported gay marriage, equal opportunities and free speech my whole life. I thought that I was liberal. Now I'm not sure anymore...

I think I identify myself as libertarian/conservative/classical liberal nowadays. But I don't identify myself as mainstream leftist anymore since the left has went full retard and far-left and antifa seem to direct their course nowadays. Both are groups I hate with passion. Actually I hate antifa and far-left even more than far-right nowadays...

>>729535037
Yeah but not all liberals

I don't really feel like I identify with liberals, but my political views tend to side more liberally than not. However. I'm not a feminist, I think bullying and body shaming are good for social development and shouldn't be has harshly discouraged. I'm for stricter gun laws but mostly on the grounds that guns are for pussies that can't handle a fist fight. Pro-choice, anti-death penalty. Didn't like Trump or Clinton but Clinton seem like the lesser of two evils.

Also I'm basically and amoral sociopath.

Liberal: Science is everything which is why to deny climate change is to deny science.

Science: Transgenderism isn't natural and is a mental illness

Liberal: That doesn't count, science is wrong.

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>>729536028

>Generalize like that
Almost as if the left does not generalize race or... anything at all huh? Way to think things through man... way to step back and observe your own position

>>729535037
Eh thats just you spending too much time on the internet. Most "liberals" don't agree with those extremist views. But people that are outspoken like that are a dime a dozen trolling the internet.

>>729536102

/thread

They used to be pro American and pro labor. Now, they not only hate the US but western civilization as well. They've gone from "ask not what your country can do for you.." to "gimme free government shit". Once staunchly anti-communist, they're now communists and apologists for Muslim terror. They're no longer about the working class. Now it's faggots, trannies, feral niggers, feminist head cases and illegal aliens. They've become a cancer on society.

>>729536189

Maybe not ... but the ones that are the most outspoken are.

>>729536459

I would agree with that if I actually saw liberals standing up against Antifa ... but I dont - so your point is invalid.

>>729536437
I like how you assume he has the view point that the outspoken retards have.
Nice strawman, buddo-san.
Way to step back and observe your own fallacies.

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those legs

>>729536221
Yeah well criminals don't give a shit about fist fighting, they'll use guns no matter what. And Clinton was not the lesser of two evils. I'd say they were on par just different sides. I couldn't trust her with national security after the email thing anymore than Trump. She should've been charged. I've had secret security clearance training and what she did even at my level of clearance let alone her level, would have gotten her in jail if it wasn't for who she was. But really it's potato potatoe, both were horrible choices.

>>729536301
Except the scientific community is still pretty divided on the whole trans issue. I'm not taking a side just wanted to point that out.

Spend a few minutes on google and you can find reputable doctors/sociologists/biologists/psychologists on both sides of the issue.

Regardless of it being a mental illness or not I don't see an issue with letting people live the way they want to live so long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. Keep in mind some people still think homosexuality is a mental disorder.

I'd rather live and let live than be on the wrong side of history.

>>729536649
>Your point is invalid because I'm ignorant.

>>729536459
The loudest members of a movement set the standard. When the majority of a group remain silent, they get outmoded and replaced with those that agree with the vocal minority. The minority becomes the new majority, but can exert control before that happens.

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>>729536102
>>729536221
>>729536502

All has been already said. Nothing to add. "The left" has gone far-left and they don't even seem to understand it. I thought that Brexit and Trump would wake them up to see that they are doing something wrong but no, they keep pushing even more left than before.

Left is dead until centrists and classical liberals can identify themselves as part of left again.

i'm liberal, because i have an conservative mindset and strong distaste for progressive left

>>729536459
Same could be stand for conservatives. Most are much more middle ground. But you have the few twat waffles that go on the internet and are retards. The left then just stereotypes all conservatives that way.

>>729536772

Where is the strawman? You mean pointing out the arguments the left is constantly making? Those are the fake strawmen?... uhm...

>>729532014
I hate the trigger warning, speaker deplatforming, super feminist element, just like many people on the right. The problem in America is that most people identify the other party with its most extreme elements and that is the constituency played to by politicians. We need a new moderate center.

>>729536920
>than be on the wrong side of history
Dumbest phrase ever.

>>729536965

Prove me wrong then... where has the left stood up against Antifa? I am actually curious.

>>729536649
You lack of "seeing" doesn't invalidate shit. Get out in the world and talk to people. I know plenty of liberal minded people who are against violent protests and the whole antifa crowed. In fact I'd say that MOST liberals are against the antifa folks as they see their views and actions as counter productive. Keep in mind many liberal heroes were famous pacifists.

>>729537016
It's hard to be a liberal and not be progressive. I'm guessing you mean the regressive left - i.e. the college kids who complain about cultural appropriation and other non-issues.

>>729533425

THIS! Democratic Party is corporatist shit just like Republican party. They both benefit the rich people and big companies. Only difference between them is their means to get there.

USA really needs a new party...

>>729537062
Read the first sentence again, kid.
You've claimed that his position is something that in reality, it isn't. You've attacked his alleged ideology, and acted as if he actually had that viewpoint, when he clearly doesn't, hence it being a strawman.

>uhm...
Go to school.

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soon..

>>729536102
At least your views don't change because of screeching SJWs. I have no idea why cucks are going farther right just because monkeys tried hopping on board.

>>729532014
Yes I am a liberal and proud of it. What I hate though is the focus of the "liberal" media on non issues, especially these SJW talking points that have nothing to do with fucking progress. Worker's rights, environmental stewardship and equity are what I believe true liberals stand for, but we have this class of fucking spoiled ass city kids with micro attention spans who jump from one asinine talking point to another.

The media doesn't help either, it paints all libs as fucking crazy anarchists and all conservatives as inbread racist scum, and thus no true genuine discourse occurs.

this destroys all liberals not even joking
https://vimeo.com/210862415

>>729532014
Everything. I hate everything.

>>729536649
check out people like Sam Harris - there are plenty of reasonable, liberal minded people out there who hate the "regressive left" and everything it stands for, just like there are many conservatives who hate the racist and nationalist elements of their party.

>>729536920
No, the science community is pretty much on one side of it with very few on the trans in normal thing. It's not. Trans people literally can not exist without the scientific community getting involved. They are not natural. Now the whole gay/lesbian thing, well no one can tell another person what they like, we all have different tastes so I can accept that. But when your DNA says you're a boy, you're a fucking boy.

>>729532014
Generally speaking, unpleasant people to be around. Can't tell a fucking joke or voice an unpopular opinion without some over-opinionated fuckwit taking it personal and starting a drama, throw a hissy fit when running out of arguments and retort to ad hominem like "hurr racist homophobic misogynist durr".

Just uptight people. Glad we have none of them at work.

>>729537474
Define many...

>>729537037
Totally agree.

I find the most outspoken people on the internet on both sides tend to be the more extremists retards. And when a voice of reason emerges it quickly gets trolled by the retards on both sides.

>>729537118
Divide and conquer tactics. The politicians rely on it wholly. They powerful stay in power, and the constituents are too stupid to realize they are playing right into it while they burn everything around them.

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>>729537412

>>729537514
What about intersex people?

>>729532014
mostly the egalitarianism aspect.

it's a flagrant spit in the face of anyone who understands nature to imply that all animals are "equal", despite evolving separately.

>>729537196
Me.

>>729537403
but it definitely gets high ratings and lots of fucking clicks. All this tech, and we've managed to create an outrage machine that occasionally also shows cute animal pictures

>>729537159
Do you have a better one?

my great-grandpa was made a semi-famous local hero to a bunch of racists for breaking a black man out of jail and lynching him.

I don't want to be remembered that way for having trans-phobic views.

>>729537299
it's the other way around. it's hard to be an conservative without being liberal. then you're just an authoritarian.

>>729537196
Me.

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retardness

>>729537575
it's a sad truth

>>729537760
>implying the progression of social norms makes you correct

be a sheep than, the lions will laugh at you.

>>729537320

>be in thread about what is wrong with liberals
>make point about what is wrong with liberals
>person arguing with me says it is a strawman because I dont know his real positions

Uhm... WTF are we in this thread for for 500 Alex?

That they hate Communism.

>>729537637
Edgy.
Don't worry, I won't fuck you over because you're autistic, Anon.
>...spit in the face of anyone who understands nature...
Mi'lady.

>>729537547
They're out there, they're just letting the people they don't agree with do the talking for them.

>>729537409
as if I'm going to click that link...

Grow a fucking brain and use your words to describe your opinions don't let some bullshit video do your thinking for you.

>>729537921
lol ok buddy

>>729536102
>hate antifa

what's wrong with being anti fascist ?

>>729537734
/thread

>>729538036
Atnifa ARE fascists.

>>729532014
Yes, I'm a liberal.
>>729533425
I agree with this too, but I still vote Democrat despite my mixed feelings on the matter. I believe true liberalism has a better chance of taking hold in America by usurping the existing "liberal" party than it would via third party.

>>729538036
>living under a rock

>>729538036
>antifa
>anti fascist
sure goyim

>>729538105
>the pope

fucking kek

>>729537841
>>729537689

What is the difference between a trend and an individual anecdote? Jesus christ guys... I mean give me a link or something. Wow...

>>729537616
You mean hermaphrodites? They are a genetic mutation which can naturally occur though rarely, but the scientific community didn't have to get involved to make it happen, And when the do surgeries to correct things, they use DNA to determine what sex the person is primarily and put them the way their DNA says they should've been. At that point they aren't forcing a body designed to be male in being a female or visa versa

>>729537917
Jesus, lad, you must be autistic. I'm sorry, I didn't know.
Also, I'm not the same person, dumbass. (Though that is quite obvious.)

>>729536102
what is classical liberalism anon? and isn't libertarian and alt right kinda same these days?
I see trump supporters and neo nazis calling themselves libertarian on twitter and social media

>>729538036
antifa are facists that wants to enforce their own agenda on everybody else

>>729538221
>>729538237
>>729538239

ok nice memes but explain whats wrong with being anti fascist?

>>729538303
are you serious?

>>729537996
Haha, goteeeeeemmm!!

>>729537547
millions of Americans, for sure. There were plenty of people who voted for Obama twice that voted for trump this time around. You can be most of those people are liberals who were just as sick as conservatives about PC culture and the overreach of the far left on social issues. I'm a European liberal, and even I think trigger warnings and gender pronouns are absolutely indefensible garbage

>>729538225
Voting for extremism begets more and greater extremism. You don't jump in the rapids, then try to reverse their flow.

>>729537637
edgy as fuck anon, 9/11

>>729537514
You, like most people, are confusing sex and gender. Of course you cannot change your sex - your DNA, you can however change how you express yourself as either feminine or masculine.

For all intents and purposes trans people dno't like being referred to by their sex, but rather their gender. It's not hard to just let them express themselves the way they feel most comfortable. Perhaps if less people like you insisted they were sick they wouldn't kill themselves so much... ironically the same is true of homosexuals but we just haven't gotten to that level of social progression yet.

Too bad. These days two guys can fuck and most people don't think much of it, but if a guy wants to live as a woman and fuck a guy all of a sudden its just too much.

>>729538404
antifa beat up women, anyone who disagrees with them. they're vehemently anti-free speech and call anyone who disagrees with them a "nazi".

>>729538404
to browse you need to be 18, now go do you homework

>>729538262
So, you want an article of someone standing up against Antifa. Okay, brb, I'll type one up about myself.

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>>729538404
There is nothing wrong with being anti fascist as long as you aren't be a fascist in the process. They claim to be anti fascist while using fascist tactics against anyone that doesn't have their viewpoint. It's like the ultimate irony. Being what you claim to be against.

>>729537903
Gay

>>729538036
Using fascist rhetoric to decry fascism?

>>729538522
sex is gender. sex is your biology, it's what determines how you naturally act and behave. the whole "trans" thing is just a product of the society we live in, nobody can naturally be "trans".

to think you're any other gender than what you were born as is clearly a mental illness.

>>729538404
They actually are fascists. They want totalitarian control over others and are quick to use violent force to eliminate any dissent. Antifa ARE fascists. They're just to stupid to realize it.

>>729537903

>be a sheep than, the lions will laugh at you.


fucking shit dude you're in the fourth demention of weebdom

I hate all the progressive made up bullshit. Global warming? Transfluidbilateranus? Fucking just shut the fuck up already. Its like im surrounded by a bunch of god damn pussies. Thats why i voted for trump. We need our teeth back. For so long we been walking around sackless like a bunch of god damn bitches

>>729532014

No.

I dislike liberalism along with all the other 'isms because they attempt to create and inflexible, all encompassing worldview based on mostly subjective values and attempt to assert these values upon all others with a sense of moral superiority regardless of the cost or efficacy of their policies.

Political and economic ideologies are like the replacement for religions, when they are not already intertwined.

>>729538783
>using old quotes somehow makes you a weeb

wew lad, sorry i didn't call him a nigger.

>>729538505
Can you run that one by me again in plain English my man? I get the impression we're probably on the same side here at the end of the day but third parties never get anywhere here. Look at what the Tea Party did within the GOP, and look at what the Sanders campaign almost managed to pull off on the Democrat side. It seems like the more pragmatic approach to me.

>>729538298

You are not giving me anything nor are you giving me any evidence what so ever that my "strawman" is false. No links... no good counter points - nothing. Your argument is basically "na na na poo poo - you a dumb dumb head.".

I mean that is a great argument and I am proud of you - but maybe provide some counter evidence or something. You know - how arguments are supposed to work. Let me help you... How about you show me specifically what is wrong with my strawman argument? How is the strawman wrong? What strawman did I use exactly? .. Come on buddy you can do this if you think through it. I believe in you.

>>729537903
idgaf who laughs at me. No matter what you belive in people will disagree, people will laugh, people will hate you. So with that in mind I'll do my best to not be some fucking racist / homopobic /transphobic shitlord. And if that means people don't approve fuck em.

Or is it just that you think being a shithead makes you tough?

>>729538891
kek

>>729538692
Fucking this! There is nothing facist about trump. Look at other countries! Thats facism u fucking cuck. Antifa silences anyone who doesnt agree with them. I would love to go to one of their rallies and punch some butch dykes in the face! Usa usa usa usa usa!

>>729538757
Why bring up mental illness if you're talking about a biological thing?
Seems like the entire thing would be psychological, not biological. No one is claiming anything about sex, but gender. The biological definitions don't matter in a psychological context.

>>729538522
Thank you for proving the point on why liberalism is retarded. Sex and gender are not fucking different. Just a different word for the same thing. You can't just make up genders just because it makes you feel better. Your DNA says you are a male, you're a fucking male. Period.

>>729538262
I dunno man, you asked if any liberals held that view. Within minutes you found some. Exactly what you asked for.

U mad?

>>729538942
My point was you acted as though "being on the right side of history" made you correct. All you're doing is saying "I don't want people to think I was mean so I'll just conform to what everybody else believes."

That's why I called you a sheep.

>>729538891
>misspelling "old quotes"
>implying that you're one of the "lions

fucking shit dude just call him a nigger like a normal person you fucking faggot

>>729538409
serious? yes ofcourse, i want to learn about classical liberalism, preferably tl;dr style

>>729538285
Well someone never studied biology in college.

>>729538852
The problem is the tepid regression of bolder criteria of stratagems for center left wing socialist reform.

>>729539095
Well psychology and biology are obviously intertwined. Psychology is just the study of how the chemicals in your brain effect your behavior, the chemicals which are caused by your biology.

Imbalance in natural hormones is what leads to gender dysmorphia and similar illnesses.

>>729538936
Strawmanning me, now? Not a surprise.
How is your strawman wrong? A strawman is illogical by its very definition, buddo-san.

>way to step back and observe your own position
This is the exact point of the strawman. You've claimed it was his own position, when it clearly wasn't.

>>729538757

Who honestly gives a shit what people call themselves or how they want to live. If they aren't physically hurting you or your property why do you care?

inb4 using my/my wife's/my daughter's bathrooms, there are way more disgusting, perverse, and criminal 'normal' people that already do/did

>>729538692
I assume antifa are against neo nazis ideas and beliefs, what is wrong with that?

since when did americans became such a huge fan of nazis and german belief systems? Didn't us americans fight against nazis and many thousand/million of us get killed by them?

is that your gripe with antifa?

>>729538757
No.

Sex is sex.
Gender is gender.

One is biology one is expression.

>>729539198
classical liberalism is:

>belief that all men are created equal
>free market capitalism
>free speech, general cultural freedom
>very centrist

>>729538741
>fascist rhetoric to decry fascism
how else do you fight dimwitted neo nazis?

>>729535901
These are not liberal concepts. Liberalism = do watchu want
Disclaimer: Liberty of one man ends where liberty of another man begins aka don't kill and steal from peopole. Also low taxes.

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>>729538225
BWA HA HA!! LIBCUCK DETECTED! Lordy mama y'all are the cluckiest cucks that ever sucked a fuck! Jesus lads I'm extremely fucking high I want you all to know. Fuck everyone here, most of all, YOU!

>>729538758
>They want totalitarian control over others
how exactly? give examples? and is that over neo nazis or innocent people?

>>729539308
>just the study of how the chemicals in your brain effect behavior.
Yeah, no...
That's more psychiatry and neuroscience.

>>729539477
The way you express yourself is determined by biology. The people who are "trans" have hormonal imbalances in their body, caused naturally or otherwise.

>>729538920
You're not going to get the dems to wake up and realize they're on the wrong path. Political extremism is a consequence of decades of divide and conquer tactics. This will only continue to spiral into further extremism on both sides.

We need a viable alternative party. And we need a voting system that will allow for a third party to be possible.

>>729539154
Well then excuse me if I call you a retard because you're clearly having a hard time will pretty much every aspect of what is being discussed here.

>>729539578
I think that's libertarianism, Anon, not liberalism.

>>729539422
It's moreso the fact that they insist they are correct and that we accept it. Laws in Canada (where I live) that can get you fined for "misgendering" people. I really wouldn't care if people didn't so aggressively insist they were correct.

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Hey OP, no, I'm not a liberal; I'm a mid-far right winger, a conservative.

I hate that liberalism stands for democracy, I hate that it's mostly occupied by people who contradict themselves in their actions and beliefs, I hate that although they use the term 'liberal' they are perhaps the most illiberal people in the world; leaving most modern conservatives to be liberal, accepting homosexuality, accepting difference and sticking to their own, accepting that their presidential candidate lost, accepting fair laws as well.
I hate that they're populated mostly by welfare users, I hate the concept of democracy as it allows constitutional rights to be turned (if even made), I hate their democracy because what the majority wants is what they can get, regardless of their intellect or their position in society (meaning those of lower intellect can have things their way if part of the majority)...

Overall, I just hate the concepts they use, I hate their tolerance for things that in reality ruin society...

Homosexuality is the highest among millennials, so is rectal diseases and STI's - and homosexuality has been tolerated, normalised, and praised by liberals in the name of tolerance and diversity...

Here are some quotes:
"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society" -Aristole

"Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilised society" -Plato

>>729539703
Citation, please.

>>729539684
Okay...? You're just arguing semantics now, my point still stands.

>>729539614
shhhhh

Adults are trying to have a conversation here.

>>729539277
Ok now call yourself a nigger and go sit in a corner somewhere

>>729538036

Well in the form of ideologies there's liberal left, and then there's socialist left, and then communist left and since the current idea of moderate left has been corrupted by globalist parties into a center-right stance, the 'left' now has the face of the extreme left in a lot of cases.

>>729538105
hitler was a christian you faggot and so is pope

>>729539903
fag

>>729539703
That may be true with some people, but not all trans people have hormone issues.

>>729539931
I'm not going to spoonfeed settled science to you, read for yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

>>729539903
I'd like to see some statistics for your claims, if you would. Also, I'd like for to you take into account other factors related to those statistics if you would so kindly.

Also, nice quotes at the end, it almost counts as meaningful evidence. Almost.

>>729539773
>And we need a voting system that will allow for a third party to be possible.
I couldn't agree more with this statement. We need ranked choice voting. And I'll be right there when we have a truly liberal third party that's worth a fuck, too. I voted third party in every general election since my first one in 2000, until this last one when I very reluctantly bit the bullet and voted for Hillary. And I don't consider my votes in those other elections wasted, because I was voting my conscience and that is never a waste, I'm just not convinced it's the most constructive use of my vote.
>>729539614
no u

>>729539985
Those are vastly different things. You cannot simply claim it's an issue of semantics when it really isn't.

>>729539497
and how many of these ideals do you think will hold up in real life?

>>729540153
And what do you think exactly causes people to suffer from gender disorder?

>>729540289
>bit the bullet
you're anti gun though :/

>>729540302
I'm not a classical liberal, just explaining to you what it is.

What are your positions that you think supersede classic liberalism?

>>729540183
Nothing you claimed was in there, Anon. Please stop lying.

>>729540405
Actually no, I'm not at all. I own three.

>>729540301
Explain to me than what you think the "psychological causes" of gender disorder are.

>>729540289
>...I was voting my conscience and that is never a waste...
Ahahahaha, go to bed, kid.

>>729540458
It's literally in the second paragraph lol

>>729539636
You're already decided. You think complex problems need simple binary answers. You buy into the rhetoric that anyone who disagrees, does so in the most extreme way possible.

All you have to do is observe their behaviour to see that they're fascists. Instead you pick one tiny sliver of what I said that you think you can easily argue against.

Even if we're talking about neo-Nazis, they have their rights to free speech so long as they don't harm anyone. Antifa fascists are emphatically against free speech, and attack anyone they even suspect of disagreeing with them.

People don't all fall into binary categories. It's not a pure us vs them situation.

But like I said, I'm wasting my time even responding.

>>729540337
Couldn't tell you, my degrees are in biology and zoology. I studied animals in college not psychology.

>>729540594
B-but it's only 3pm mom.

>>729540426
>that you think supersede classic liberalism
a mix of fascism and liberalism

>uphold a certain cultural/national standard
>have a good military system and disciplined society
>liberty to do things as one pleases without harming others
>equal rights and right to dignity
>socialized health care and education

>

>>729539829

There are some in-your-face outliers that get more attention because they cause issues. Believe me I do not defend them, they annoy the piss out of me. "Sorry I misgendered you, you look like a man, I've never met you before, and I couldn't reasonably deduce you preferred the pronoun 'it' and identify sexually as a Lovecraftian horrorkin."

I don't really like them but to each their own, I feel that if you treat them reasonably they ought to treat you reasonably, but obviously as with every other group of people some of them won't fucking take that.

>>729540488
Poisoning the well, are we?

>>729540597
Yea sure kid

>>729540721
I for the most part agree.

>>729538862
People forget that political streams like liberalism, conservatism aren't strict categories but part of a spectrum, much like autism.

AKA: politics is like autism.

>>729540668
I don't claim to be a scientist myself, but you seriously don't need a degree to understand this. The causes are fairly settled.

>>729540289
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.

-John Quincy Adams

>>729540405

> labelling every opinion a person has based on their ideological label

This is why I dislike ideology.

>>729539903
>quoting people who died 2000 years ago about a current social trend

you do realize STI's can be treated and prevented right?

>>729540993
It's literally impossible to judge every person in the world individually. All actions need to take into account the reality of group trends and averages.

>>729540986
It wasn't long ago that I would be agreeing with you completely. What party (or parties) do you support, by the way?

>>729541051
>implying people are stupid just because they existed long ago

Not only was Plato much smarter than you, he could also kick your fucking ass.

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>>729541051
You do realize that you are a huge faggot right??? Niggerino!!

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>>729532014
I hate that you aren't Left enough, and you only get upset when it's convenient for you.

>>729541091

But you saw someone post that they voted for Hillary Clinton, and based only on that one piece of evidence, you immediately drew the conclusion that they were anti-gun.

Doesn't that bother you?

>>729540620
>Instead you pick one tiny sliver of what I said that you think you can easily argue against.

well if you were willing to present your case I'd read and understand anon, I didn't call you names, I just wanna know why so many right wingers and trump and hitler lovers hate anti fa and left so much

>>729541091
Which is why our court systems assign ideological labels to everyone and sentence them preemptively... Oh wait...

>>729541255
sorry fam i should've specified, i'm not that anon.

but it's a logical conclusion to draw regardless, if they support a candidate based on their policies one could infer that they are anti gun.

>>729541349
>life is a courtroom

wew

>>729541172
At the moment? None. We'll see what tune they're singing come election time.

>>729532014
The Capitalism

>>729541288
Troll harder.

>>729539308
>>729539684
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology#Branches

You faggots are both right and both wrong.

>>729541210
OP is nazi, what do you would expect about it?

>>729541421
When people are taking to the streets to enact mob "justice".... what the fuck standard do you think we should use.

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>>729532014
Just read some moldbug, he says all my complaints better than I could.

>>729541421
Life IS a courtroom, fool. Have you not seen the terror that stalks the land? The foul injustice, and corruption?
These problems plague us to our very roots, and yet you deny their existence, adding to the issues at hand.
For shame, I say, for shame...
We as people judge our peers each day of our lives, for better or for worse. We are all judges of the world, and life is our courtroom.

>>729541491
How about in the 2016 election? Or any other past election for that matter?

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>>729541650
>OP is nazi
Say no more.

>>729541631
No, I'm right. Nice try, though, kid.

>>729532014
not a liberal because of their lack of concern over fiscal responsibility, disregard for the second amendment, and inability to recognize that globalization is crippling markets and destroying culture.

>>729539434
No, my gripe is them using the same tactics they claim to be against. We have free speech here, so you can be anti fascist or fascist. But to use violent to prevent someone from voicing an opinion that you don't agree with is fascism. It makes them no better than the so called fascists they are against.

>>729541849
Since when does the right care about other cultures?

>>729541802
yup would be great

>>729541770
Well said.

>>729532014
Liberal my whole life up until about 4 years ago when liberals all became assholes.

Both sides are 100% controlled by the 1% and not worth any single thinking persons time. No idea what to do about it.

>>729540870
cool

>>729542053
Kek yea me 2
now all of them rape babies prolly XD

>>729541183
>superior white man;s argument

good night nigger, keep sucking trump's cock

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>>729541828
It's biology, and the study of chemicals affecting the body and neurological system is a branch of biology.

I'm not a kid, I'll have you know I am already 14 years old and been on this board for over two weeks.

Fucking newfags these days.

>>729541792
Would have probably voted libertarian in 2016 had it not been for all the vomiting and diarrhea that day.

I won't vote for Reps or Dems with the way those parties have been headed lately. My political opinions aren't solely left or right aligned. I take the issues I care most about, and use them as the template to judge the parties. I'll vote for whoever most supports my political stances. Neither major party does currently.

>>729541575
should I assume you have no arguments?

>>729542053
This is alt-right propaganda. They like pretending both sides are equally bad, because it fools the less intelligent leftists into abandoning the cause. Congratulations, you're a conservative stooge.

>>729541849
I wonder how many voters the Democratic party would lose and gain if they lost their anti-gun stance. As a gun-owning liberal, I really wish they would. Some of our more spineless voters would be angry about it, but who would they go vote for instead? And if I had a fucking nickel for every person I've ever discussed politics with who told me they'd be more open to voting Democrat if they didn't hate guns...

I've gone insane!!
>>729541934
They don't even care about their own culture. The entertainment industry is entirely left wing. What content is the right wing contributing to the American cultural framework? Line dancing and Michael Landon? Conservative culture fucking sucks, I don't know why anyone would want to preserve it.

>>729541802
i-im n-not nazi or anything!! b-baka!!

>>729542485
That's cute.

>>729540000
this

>>729542364
That's not at all what we were talking about, kid.

>>729542485
Both sides are 100% controlled by the 1%. Only a retard couldn't see that.

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>>729542531
>baka
CYKA BLYAT!!

>>729536437
ironic considering anyone who questions trump is automatically redlisted and called "libcuck"

>>729542509
Citation, please.

>>729532014
Yeah, I'm liberal. But I don't identify as liberal. I hate just about every political movement that comes out of the left. I think the left needs to be stripped and then refit for purpose. It's rotten and needs to be rebuilt.

>>729542501
There are other issues I wish they'd fuck of about too (like inane gender politics), but supporting the second amendment would indeed go a long way (along with the rest of the bill of rights).

>>729532014
Liberalism imposes the limits of how much we can disagree with oppression.

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>>729532014
Fundamentally yes I am a liberal but I have a good amount of "conservative" ideals and policy positions, for instance I am againts mass immigration, specifically the massive Muslim refugee immigration. Although I am pro-freedom-of-speech and an atheist. When it comes to the fundamentals, my idea is that as long as your not fucking with something and causing me legitimate problems, then I don't really give a shit in regards to what you do. If I were to put myself into a category, I would call my self a Independent Constitutionalist.
>pic related to my political compass

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>>729532014
Liberalism is lunacy.

>>729541923
>It makes them no better than the so called fascists they are against

so fighting nazis violently is bad? what does that make our american ancestors who fought in ww2? did they fight against freedom of speech by fighting nazis in germany as well?

>>729532014
THIS IS JAMARQUIS WILLIAMS, DESTROYER OF COCKS.

JAMARQUIS WILLIAMS, DESTROYER OF COCKS, IS LEFT-WING ON SOCIAL ISSUES AND CLASSICALLY RIGHT-WING ON FINANCIAL ISSUES. READ THAT AS "OH MY FUCKING GOD CAN WE SIMPLIFY THIS SHIT" NOT "LET'S PUT IN ALL THE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH FUCKS".

JAMARQUIS WILLIAMS, DESTROYER OF COCKS, DISLIKES THE FACT THAT THE LEFT HAS NOT AGGRESSIVELY PUSHED FOR LEGALIZING WEED AND THEN ADDING A NOMINAL 2-5% TAX ON WEED PRODUCTS, BECAUSE SHIT FUCK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT WINDFALL FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. ALSO IT'D PRETTY MUCH WIPE OUT THE OPIATE ADDICTION RATES - WHY BOTHER WITH ILLEGAL VICODIN WHEN POT IS LEGAL AND RELATIVELY CHEAP?

WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT I DISLIKE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH FUCKERS GETTING THEIR HANDS DIRTY AND SCREAMING AND PUNCHING FACES IN.

TL;DR - NOT ENOUGH COCKS DESTROYED.

>>729543107
Thanks for the strawman, bud. See you next time.

The fact that we even have different parties like liberal etc is very troublesome.

This whole idea of these different parties has created an us vs them situation. Like the liberals vs the whatevers. If we want change in this country then we should be working together. Not dividing up against ourselves and going against eachother like this. Most people do not seem to understand that this is an unwinnable situation where we are greatly hindering the progress of society to be treating eachother like this. Your party will never be the right answer no matter what it is. It will never overcome the others.

There are some great negotiation teachers in society that have put out some amazing books. Like the 7 habits of effective people and the 3rd alternative. If every single person in the US read the 3rd alternative we would all recognize the parties are extremely stupid. The way the parties treat eachother is like basic mistakes 101 that the book covers in just a few pages. With the 3rd alternative, we come up with a greater answer than we could think of separately in different parties. That's what the 3rd alternative is. But if you don't know how to get there you'll never make one.

There are also some severe issues. Like believing that only liberals think a certain way. Or that only liberals can think that certain way. Or associating somebody with all these things they probably don't personally represent just because they're apart of that party and judging them before knowing them like a moron.

The idea of political parties is extremely stupid and the fact that they fuel a SHIT LOAD of immature drama should be enough of a red flag that they're not a proper answer to deal with any issue whatsoever. Would an effective answer cause so much confusion and fuel so much drama? No.

Politics needs to be fixed. We should focus on what we're complaining about and see if anything can actually be done here. Instead of venting and arguing with each other.

>>729542691
What, sex and gender both relating to biology and being essentially the same? Except for sex being pretty much a consistent identifier (excluding genital mutilation under the guise of "sex-change") and gender, a functional consequence of sex, determined by hormones(testosterone, oestrogen and the balance between the two)?

>>729537343
This so much
How can someone lack so much grounding that they allow others within their group to push them to another end of the political spectrum.

I am a liberal and I will always be one and I am not defined by extremist liberalism or SJWism.

>>729542053
>le both sides are bad meme

a rumor started by alt right/ neu-nazi retards to equalize both democrats and conservatives. you can't compare fringe sjw retards to army of neo nazis and bible thumping extremists that line the right wing

>>729532014
Letting your beliefs stand solely with any party or ideology instead of thinking for yourself is just being another mindless sheep.

>>729543107
That's because they preach for them to find the weakest, most pointless and useless part of their personalities and to make that the core of their beliefs. Instantly making them a victim.

Just disgusting

>>729542787
such a beautiful sight

>>729543469
JAMARQUIS WILLIAMS, DESTROYER OF COCKS, APPRECIATES YOUR GET-SHIT-DONE ATTITUDE AND DISREGARD OF LABELS.

>>729543208
Trying to equate these retards to WWII vets is an insult to the vets.

>>729543208
Yes, lets comparing our soldiers fighting against nazi that were committing genocide to antifa protesters upset about anything pro Trump even if those pro trumpers aren't neo nazis. Yeah totally the same thing.

>>729532014
I hate parties in general, they inhibit actually progress.

>>729540721
noice

>>729543510
They are perfectly equalized under the 1%. The congress is bought and paid for, as Trump found out with all the same treatment Obama got from them.

You are picking sides between pretend nazis or happy playtime femnazis. Congrats, you win the award.

>>729543945
But but but my fascism is better than your fascism!

>>729543317
>le strawman maymay
>all yur base are invalid
>muh euphoric intellect
that's why you don't get laid. you're a salty cunt

>>729543796
and being a hitler worshipping nazi isn't?

our vets must be proud to have a leader whose advisor admires hitler and his ideals

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>>729532014

>>729544119
Exactly

>>729543469
This is very true. No one wants to work together and come up with a compromised solution to anything. It's all become "let's just ram what we want through cause we are right."

>>729543850
>Trump even if those pro trumpers aren't neo nazis

most of trumps supporters were white supremacists and neo nazis though and hitler is considered like ghost to these scums

>>729532014
I'm not scrolling through this whole thread so sorry if this has been said already, but liberalism doesn't mean being liberal. Most mainstream conservatives and liberals are adherents of liberalism, in some form.

>>729543107
That part of liberalism isn't liberal. Its the fascist, overzealous, hypocritical, and very emotionally based part of it. It's the mirrored version of ultra-conservationism in its emotional and almost religious attachment to it's beliefs and ideals to the point where it completely rejects all opposition and criticisms even if its true and even neutral (which most of it is).

Their all free speech haters

>>729544156
Because obviously anyone who doesn't subscribe to your brand of fascism is a Nazi. Grats on the autism.

>>729536221

Body Shaming is alright as long as:
-it doesn't become bullying
-it targets people unrealistic about their aesthetic appeal
-people who are unhealthy with their size

And bullying is never alright. But people should have a backbone.

>>729544277
So 60+ million people are neo nazis and white supremacists? Give me a break.

>>729544410
*They are

retards like you need to spell first before lecturing others about free speech

>>729543208
Yea except that these neo-nazis aren't a legitimate threat compared to the Nazis of WWII.

>>729544712
Thanks for proving my point.

>>729543896
I'm not a party person, but I think the concept of parties is so that people can fight for a cause in large numbers. Think about it, people's individual views are largely different, so you would need to be able to unify people under a common set up views. In most people's cases, if we had a complete lack of parties, it would be harder (how much, I don't know) to gather support in large numbers for say, legislation.

That being said, people tend to blindly stick with their in-groups, so they'll shit on perfectly valid points from anyone on the outside, so sadly parties tend to overshoot their intended goal.

>>729544547
bullying is funny because people react so autistic, baaws & even an heroes, just because someone called them a faggot.

if you don't wanna get bullied, don't feed the bullies by acting like a salty twat. simple as that.

>>729544555
nice trips, too bad they were wasted on a retarded post like this

>So 60+ million people are neo nazis and white supremacists? Give me a break.

hmm if all liberals can be white hating sjws ready to ban free speech errywhere, why can't 60 million butthurt people be nazis? they are like 1/5th of america.

No, not 60 million necessarily but atleast 50-60% were, some were due to economic reasons sure but a lot are just white supremacists butthurt about non whites

>>729544555
afinity thinking yes, the irony is how the white workers choose give the fault of them stolen money to another race and not to the real thief, is the Capitalism who stole us our money, is not just Jews controling amd being the owners of the Banks, is more big than the little nazi thinking philosofy

>>729544874
you are welcome, you agree you are a nazi and you don't like antifascists beating your face in.

cheers fag, try not being a nuisance.

>>729544853
you mean neo nazis and neo reactionaries who want to throw out democracy and replace it with fascism aren't a threat to america?

>>729545228
do you real real democracy or the kind of "democracy" europe & usa got?

>>729545125
Such willful blindness is amusing to witness.

You're either a low effort troll, or legitimately retarded.

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>>729543317
NOT USING THAT TERM CORRECTLY

>>729545424
mean, not real

>>729545424
the kind of democracy that can be changed by electing good representatives and being more mindful of what candidates you are electing?

are neo nazis trying to bring in "real" democracy? get real mate, what fucking lala land are you living in?

>>729545424
Are you dumb enough to think a true democracy would work in modern society in a country with hundreds of millions of people?

>>729545430
talking about yourself?

>>729532014
Honestly, I wouldn't use the label to describe myself because some fucking fat feminist sjws ruined it for everyone.
Also gave up on anything political because I just realized how brain dead most Americans seem to be. Everyone loves to talk about things they don't understand and it pisses me off.

>>729545766
please read a book, try with Michael Fucault and how works the power

>>729545724
>being more mindful of what candidates you are electing?
That ship has sailed. No one can get elected without 1%er cash and approval.

Any candidate without those two things just can't compete.

>>729546133
ok, so what can be done to bring the 1% system down and improve the system other than calling everyone sjw and nigger?

>>729546388
I don't know. World war maybe. The SJW Vs. niggerfaggot is just classic divide and conquer and one of the most retarded versions of it ever conceived.

>>729545766
no, i think the idea of an society of hundreds of millions is a dumb idea. democracy doesn't work i large scale. it will always turn into a authoritarian democratorship that will make the majority suffer to benefit the few

>>729544204
No.
Whites have been oppressors but...
-other races need to get their shit together, particularly blacks.
Still today in america you can witness oppression (not as harsh or racially fueled) and it effects.

America should be diverse considering it is a melting pot.
In the earlier years of america there were Natives,Whites,Latinos and Blacks.

But, Europe should remain majority white and European countries should limit immigration.

>>729546840
the meltingpot doesn't work without freedom. if you just force-feed people multiculture it will just breed conflict

>>729546089
I'll pass on Foucault...Which you didn't even spell correctly.

How about you support your own opinions rather than retreating to your sociology reading list?

>>729547092
>the meltingpot doesn't work without freedom
what the fuck does that even you retard?

you won't enjoy freedom much when a bunch of thugs rape your wife and daughter and no one does anything because they are free and the govt doesn't want to intervene in your private life

>>729547092
Well will you kick out the descendants of the slaves that were forcibly taken there? So do you send them to Africa?

Will you eradicate or isolate the natives that were there first?

What about the Hispanics that were in the South east of the US?

What about the whites that have settled down in the US for over 300 years, do they go back to europe?

I mean, what is your solution?

>>729546762
All governments will eventually trend toward authoritarianism. It's human nature to covet power, and for those who attain it, to try and attain more.

The point is to build a system with enough checks built in to counter or as last slow that inevitability. The founding fathers tried to do so with this representative democratic republic. But human nature is human nature, and it's had hundreds of years to assert itself.

Even Jefferson said we ought to revolt and start anew every twenty years or so, to maintain liberty.

>>729547867
call blacks niggers, make memes about "libtards" and be a burden on the society in general ofcourse

Liberism is a mental illness

>>729547618
what i mean is you can't force people into overcoming cultural diffrences/values/beliefs. some people/races simply don't like each other.

you can't make a nazi collaborate with a nigger. they must both choose to do so, out of mutual will or a common goal.

>>729547867
all those coloreds lost because they weren't able to defend their shit. it's the survival of the fittest

>>729533425
100% behind this. I'm a liberal. Been voting dem in 2 elections. But we need something new. This party is just a big company cashing favors in.

>>729548320
>you can't make a nazi collaborate with a nigger
and do you think that's going to happen?

unless the nazi is pamela anderson and the nigger is morgan freeman, they are never gonna get together

at some point you have to challange stupid beliefs and make people work together, that's one small negative side of living in countries made of millions of people


>it's the survival of the fittest

then why are whites crying about chinese and indians taking their jobs? isn't that survival of the fittest too?

>>729548320
And now whites are losing.

Do you suggest Tribalism and ethnonationalism?

>>729548961
>then why are whites crying about chinese and indians taking their jobs? isn't that survival of the fittest too

Survival of the most willing to be paid under the table for non-living wages.