there are people who think this is wrong

it is, it's too small and not strong enough

>>728785871
There are people who already saw this thread before.

>>728785871
>building a wall with holes in it
lol youre retarded

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>>728786038
but you haven't seen the guard towers

>>728785871
>not making mexicans build and pay for it
amerifags

Americans losing their property for it....

>>728786230
shut up. you're too stupid to be in this thread

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Not wrong just a waste of money unless it's a military operation combined with insane consequences for big businesses who hire illegals.

Fuck I hate Murica so badly I'll gladlypay to see it erupt in flames when Russia looses it with your retarded president

>>728785871
it isn't right or wrong, but it is an egregious waste of tax money.

>>728786347
you're to stupid to kys you amerifag

>>728786387
>dog corridor

Which side of the Rio Grande are they going to put the wall on? The international boundary is right in the middle They sure as hell can't build it right in the middle of the fucking river or on Mexico's side. That only leaves the American side. That means all of the American farmers and ranchers that depend on the Rio Grande for water won't have access to it anymore. Trump the chump really thought that one through didn't he? What an idiot.

>>728786448
>Bombing multiple places with innocent people.
>Building a wall out of pure racism.
>Attempting to make that race pay for it's construction.
>Every nation now knows America has the dumbest motherfucker
>North America literally doing everything wrong.

It'll eventually be soon.

>>728786705
Mexico will have their own type of ISIS if he keeps this retarded act.

>>728787011
there are more cartel decapitations than ISIS executions

>>728787011
Nice job wasting dubs giving your worthless opinion you dribbling fucking retard

>>728787011
>>728786705
>>728786448
samefag leave now, no one cares how lonely and ugly you are, fucking virgin

>>728785871

I think it's a waste of time, resources, and money. It's a horrible idea that will have little real effect.

The border should instead be lined with barbed wire and turrets, with signs in every known central/south american language that warns illegal scum in advance.

Turrets don't discriminate. If they want a better life, they'll stay away.

100% serious.

>>728785871
They're libtards who want their daughters to be raped by shitskins.

>>728787011
kek?
http://www.elblogdelnarco.com/2016/09/v%C3%ADdeo-espeluznante-sicarios-le-cortan-la-cara-las-manos-y-lo-degollan-con-herramienta-de-trabajo-y-u.html
LOL

>>728787957
How are you enjoying Trump's cock in your mouth so far? Not too salty, I hope.

>>728788324
Nothing is as salty as your tears.

The wall will have a short-term benefit to the economies of the states that participate in building it. So that's great.

But it won't keep people out, and it won't be long before holes open up, either via repeated storms or via makeshift bombs that are planted.

So just keep your expectations in check.

>>728785871
It has a nice sidewalk, now it just needs a bike path and maybe some fountains

>>728787885
100% retarded

>>728788359
so weak.

>>728786589
>implying water lines deep in the ground are stopped by walls above ground

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>>728788814

>>728788813

Still significantly more evolved and intelligent than the criminal trash that invades my country.

Thanks for the perspective. I'm even more certain now.

>>728786705
Go back to tacoland you ching chong chang

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It won't happen, Trump just resigned, it's all over the news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVlYNioeXNY

>>728787011
They have, it's called the cartel.

>>728789509
>mfw it's real

>>728789093
>I'm even more certain now
of being retarded? you're welcome

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Build this good wall to stop narco-mexican

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>>728787885
At first I was upset

but then i saw the turrets, even better idea anon I can't believe we are building the wall now. Turrets would be much more cost effective and efficient in long term "disposal" of our illegal immigration problem

>>728789926

You'll always be inferior subhuman trash. Your people are left with nothing but wandering the Earth, seeking lands and opportunities created by other people.. because you can't yourselves.

>>728790317
are we role playing now?

ima level with you, /b/

I don't like the wall because I give a fuck about issues like immigration. I like it because it pisses of libtards

>>728785871
I don't think it's wrong. I think it's an incredible waste of time and money. Also, nearly half of all illegals got to the US by plane or boat.

>>728786387
>dog corridor
>not electric and poison trap corridor
This is so cringe in many levels

>>728786705
Other than the fact ur government spent 60 million in the 90s to build a anti drug smuggling wall u know what the did jus dig a fuckiin hole under it I've seen car ramps built over so u just drive a car over it fuck it won't be long till they Jusy use fucking ladders walls don't work u daft Americans unless use deadly force like the Russian did in he cold war in Berlin now ask ur self u are better than cold war Russian and north Korea hey thy shoot fucks tryin to get in there country to

>>728785871
Putting things is bold is only wrong if you're emboldening the wrong things.

Making sure the "arbitrary and imaginary line in the sand, man" is clear and not imaginary is not wrong.

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>>728790748
Is it a waste of time? Who's time? The people who will get paid to construct the wall? The week or two it will take to get the funding?

It's a waste of money? It was projected to be about $4 billion. In a single year we spend >$3.6 trillion.

If you hold that opinion I want you to divide 4 billion into 3.6 trillion and then tell me to my face that it isn't something worth doing because the cost is too high compared to our 1.2 trillion spent on social security and welfare/government programs. Not trying to be hostile it's just that whenever people claim it's too expensive I get triggered because it's actually very cheap.

Also, if we have the potential to cut down on some of the illegal immigration saying "well you can't fix ALL of it" isn't a reason not to do what we can.

Here is a graph for comparison.
>inb4 europeans bitching about our military spending

>>728785871
It's just very, very stupid.

>>728786127
kek

>>728785871
yes, there are.

astute observation, OP.
>sage goes in all fields

it is maybe the dumbest idea a president ever had

>>728785871
I don't think it's wrong but it's retarded as shit when you could Make a line of electric fencing across the border and UNDER the dirt. So when they try to run across, ZAP

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>>728786387
>dog corridor

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>>728786387
One tunnel defeats all of this.

>>728785871
Same with this.

Building the wall will accomplish nothing and will cost a lot.

Can somebody explain to me why building a wall to keep people out is a stupid idea? How would it be ineffective?

It's a god damn wall, they're DESIGNED to keep people out. We have 0 protection right now except for a few patrols and a fence that is never taken care of. The only responses I ever see are "well it won't stop them ALL" or "it's too expensive!!!!!!!1" (both of which are easily tossed aside like I did with this post >>728791669)

The only conceivable and valid reason left to not build a wall would be if it is ineffective. In which case the only reasoning for this is people saying "le mexican ladders xD!". Or that they will dig under the wall.

Have you people ever tried digging under a wall before? If some poor ass mexicans who can't afford enough water to make it across the border in the first place manage to sit there digging under a wall for two weeks I'll be amazed. Hell with that kind of work ethic fuck the laws and sheeeiiit they can come right over if they manage to dig under that fucker.

Also
>Implying nobody has thought of this possibility and there will be 0 underground protection in the form of large wood/concrete poles underground

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>>728792221
>how will we get past this wall, hose?
>i know, let's spend the next two weeks in the desert digging under it, the Americans will never see that coming

For shame, hijaking pepe for your cuckery

>>728789969
>not having a dog corridor

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>>728785871
omg its almost done!?? good!

>>728792317
There are already tunnels that cross the border under the existing fence. It's not hard to dig a tunnel, just time consuming.

It was projected to be 4 billion originally, but now estimates put it between 15-25 billion. That's all going to fall onto us taxpayers for a wall which will accomplish nothing.

>>728792461
Yes, and they already do this. The wall will do nothing at all to stop immigration. I never even said I did the want to stop illegal immigration, it's just that the wall isn't going to do it.

>>728786387
Consequences don't need to be insane but they need to actually be consequences. Right now there are seriously no consequences for hiring illegals.

>>728792317
this is why you are a retard, why do you think poor mexicans need to pass to the other side? because they are poor? wrong, because they are mules.

If narcos need you in the other side, narcos are going to invest in ways to do it.

its a waste of money on a 7th century solution to a 20th century problem being implemented today in the 21st century

>>728789969
Good, I hope that stop narcos when they already have ships, submarines and planes

>>728792741
wat?

>>728789509
Finally he did it

>>728793078
its very effective for the 21st century
stop being a mexican downer just because your family cant sneak in illegally anymore

>>728792948
I never even said I didn't want***

Autocorrect

>>728791669
>cost projected to be about 4 billion
lulz

trump asking for 1 billion for 62 miles, how long do you think the border is?

>>728792948
How do you know the wall will accomplish nothing? It's worked for basically every other country on the face of the earth that has built a wall, and at the very least it can give people peace of mind ASSUMING you're even right which I don't believe you are and I have yet to see any facts to the contrary. And even at $21 billion that is still fairly cheap for a wall to span the entire Mexican border.

It might not be this miraculous solution, but it's laughable that you would suggest a wall would do nothing at all as well, and the fact that we spend literally hundreds of times that amount on welfare and social security when we don't even have a wall on our border.

>>728793262
Except it won't work.

>>728789969
El chapo escaped from a maximum security prision by making a tunnel with aproximately the same lenght.

>>728785871
It's wrong because there were 16 major tunnels crossing the border into US warehouses and spending a couple billion fucking dollars to build a wall that everyone will simply go around by water, under by tunnel and over by air is as Ameritard as it gets. Until the same tiny-dicked Trump-asshole rimming small business owners who voted them stop hiring illegals nothing will change. Small business owners (your community, anywhere in US) along with federal government has been complicit in allowing voluminous cheap labor to cross the border because at least in the short term it provides big boost to economy.

- An ameritard libtard

>>728792317
>assuming its your average mexican hose immigrant showing up with a shovel thats digging the tunnels

>>728793077
>illegal immigrants aren't coming to America for a better life, they are all tied to the drug cartels!

It's both. They're coming to America because their country is shit, and the drug cartels take advantage of this and force them to transport drugs on the way over I assume.

Like I said, your only reasoning is "it won't stop ALL of them!" "people will FIND ways around it!". These are not legitimate arguments. You don't just ignore criminals because some of them might get away.

It's like saying that we should not bother investing in murder investigation technology because somebody will find a way around it. These arguments are retarded.

>>728793365
Most of that welfare goes to us citizens. And the reason it won't work is because walls alone won't stop anyone. You would need to have manned stations within eyesight of each other spanning the whole border. The reason it worked for other countries is because they fucking shot anyone who was spotted crossing it.

The reason it won't work is because it would take under a week for a crew to dig a tunnel under the wall and get people through. There will be hundreds of tunnels within a year.

>not being an ancap
ayy

>>728792317
So wait, did the Mongolians every get around that Great Wall in China?.... dumb fucking cuck

>>728793518
Do you think they're going to bring construction equipment to the wall?

If that's the case there is a reason we have armed patrols.


Also I just thought of something, the pre-existing tunnels would be irrelevant because any decent wall construction involved driving large ground penetrating stakes to hold up the structure, and assuming we don't find the tunnels while driving big ass slabs of concrete into the ground they certainly won't be using that tunnel again.

>>728793639
All of this is speculation, you're simply claiming it won't work.

>>728793883
No idea, did they? I assume it kept them out for a small amount of time. Of course the great wall was originally multiple walls that later joined together known as the great wall.

What was the point of this question? Are you implying that because China at one point made a wall that may or may not have worked we shouldn't secure our borders?
I have a better question, instead of bitching about the wall why don't any of you ever offer solutions? All you people are capable of is complaining about what you don't like. Come up with a solution or piss off

>>728794373
It's not speculation when they've already demonstrated that they can dig fucking tunnels. Tunnels are already there. Hundreds of them. They're not hard to dig. What makes you think they won't be able to dig tunnels?

>>728793150
Letting the cartels prosper will not help, it will get worse and worse. A state like the US will always be more powerful than any Mafia of the world because you have more means. You have to fight them.

>>728795189
Best way to do that is make the drugs legal in the US. Remove their incentive to be here in the first place.

>>728795335
The tough drugs of cartels are extremely dangerous for health.

>>728795455
So? Making the drugs legal will make it easier for addicts to get help. Just because something is legal, that doesn't mean that people are going to start doing it.

>>728795644
Privatized medical care is an awful idea, it's asking the medical industry to rape you even harder

>>728795644
>>728795651
For me it is the solution of the weak to allow hard drugs. A state like the US can fight the source

>>728795877
this is why http://smperle.blogspot.com/2009/09/making-of-american-health-care-system.html you have so expensive health care system

>>728785871
It is, because 80% of illegals come in via airplane, you daft cunt.

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>>728796056
it is solution of the weak to take care of citizens like a nanny telling them what they mustn't eat and intoxicate
live and let live

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>>728792317
>Being this retarded.

The public education system has truly failed the populace at large.

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>>728792317
ok build a wall but from your money and on your property

>>728794373
No I'm saying spending billions of dollars on something that will barely stem the flow for no significant amount of time. I'm the samefag who said unless businesses are going to stop hiring cheap immigrant labor and the government will actually enforce the use of an e-verify system an unmanned/unarmed wall is money spent for Trumpkins to fingerblast their assholes to

>>728796056
Authoritative governments are the worst.

>>728793365
Every wall ever built in history has failed at one point or another.

>>728796056
And that same premise was used to kill Pablo Escobar. You know what happened? His cartel split into smaller less traceable and more adaptable cartels complicating the problem substantially

>>728785871
I thought the Repugnate party was in favor of tearing down walls? Did the pedophile know as Ronald Reagan (the man heralded as the greatest Republican of all time) says "Gorbachev tear down this wall"

>>728796554
Yeah but we gotta keep the spics out

>>728796124
None of that contradicts what I said. Of course the idea of health insurance caused medical costs to skyrocket, it meant that most likely any medical procedure was going to be paid for by imaginary third party dollars. The thing is, abolishing that system and making people pay out of pocket directly won't change that, because medicine (as a practice, not simply medication) is really fucking expensive globally. Sure in several decades it might MAYBE eventually drive costs down, but either way it's so expensive, time consuming, and skill-based to BECOME a medical practitioner that it's always going to be expensive. Cutting out the middle man will only make medical care inaccessible to the common citizen because the doctors who spent 8-12 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars on a medical education can still feasible my ask outrageous amounts for treatment. Their labor and the supplies and resources are really expensive, insurance is the only way most people can even GET treatment.

>>728796744
>Repugnate party
mature, should not of expected better from a democrat

>>728786448
When we want your opinion we will squeeze it from you. Until then shut up nigger.

>>728796744
it's scary that liberals are this stupid

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>>728796807
Kek

>>728785871
it's really just a scheme to raise property values by inflating labor and materials cost. They'll give up in a year or two, it's just so they can cash out or charge more. Or if they don't give up, it's just one more public policy failure

>>728796906
Ahh no Ronald Reagan was a pedophile. He while in his 30's had sex with a 13 year old girl. PEDOPHILE! Also he did say and i quote "Gorbachev tear down this wall"
I find Pedophile repugnant! don't you or do you support molesting 13 year girls?

>>728796896
the poor would be cured by autodidacts because intellectual property is not a property and people would pirate and share textbooks and manuals for physicians. before regulations physicians were very cheap, rothbard wrote about it

>>728797209
My bad she was 15 year old when he molested her. I just want to get my facts straight.

>>728796950
Want 50 IQ points higher the Republicans?

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>>728791669

stop getting ur infographs from /pol/ u cuckservative shill

>>728797220
How long ago was that? Before the advances in medicine that we have today? I guarantee, for every quality self-taught brain surgeon, there's gonna be a hundred accidental lobotomies. It's not a black-and-white thing, there's a REASON medical licenses exist, anon. The human body is a big, complicated, multi-function system. To think that a schmo who read some books he downloaded from the internet is going to be anywhere near as competent as someone who was actually trained to do it is silly.

>>728797636
how much of medicare is successful and how much ends with the elderly person dying anyway?

>>728797220
Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with autodidacticism when it comes to certain fields, like history, astronomy (to a point), agriculture, literature or art, hell, even some aspects of psychology (some psychological disorders are real medical issues and need a true professional to TREAT properly, though a diagnosis by someone reliably self-taught wouldn't be unacceptable).
A self-taught trauma surgeon could probably do alright depending on severity of an injury, but a self-taught oncologist, or neurosurgeon? No way.

>>728796728
Yes it fits because it is not able to win >>728796422
If you stop production, there is even no more drug so no need for prevention
>>728796627
No rich country allows hard drugs, no need to talk about authoritarive

>>728793313
thats about 32 billion rounding up for the whole wall

>>728785871
>merica keeps fuckin up countries
>no end in sight thx to muh ignorance
>get the dumbest businessman elected to make the dumbest business decisions for the country
>spends absurd amount of money on ridicilous project and defunds half the country
>merica implodes the rest of the world can find peace with each other finally


Please build the wall asap.

>>728798169

don't know, don't care. I just want u to go back to /pol/ and return ur infographs to them.

>>728792317
Another problem is that the vast majority of illegals arrive by plane and enter the county legally. Then they just never leave. Also they come from all over the world not just from the south. Walking across the desert from Mexico is so 90s. Also the number of illegal mexicans has remained roughly constant since 2008 (net zero illegal Mexican immigration) because they were mostly economic refugees (not drug mules). The wall is spening a lot of money (much more than your 4 billion as others have pointed out) trying to solve a problem (illegal immigration by land) that doesnt even exist anymore

>>728797640
is it better to get cheap brain surgery with a rish of lobotomy or get no brain surgery at all?

>>728798187
>but a self-taught oncologist, or neurosurgeon? No way.
no one forces you to buy a service from one

>>728786005
Anon is right. It isn't tall enough to keep airplanes out.

>>728793078
Well said. It is nice to see somebody gets it.

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Walls work.

>>728799074
These are not arguments. You clearly have no idea how delicate the brain is to even consider that. What happens when your treatment from Doctor Backyard leaves you a vegetable? You're saying it's alright for there to be zero accountability or responsibility to your patient? What, is it an agreement that if he botches your surgery and you're left brain-damaged, he just doesn't get paid? There's no incentive to do well.
As for an oncologist, you're right, nobody forces you to buy the service from one, but if you have cancer, there certainly my aren't many other options besides die. Can your imaginary autodidacts afford imaging systems to see developing tumors, or have access to the medicines that allow us in the modern world to survive cancers that would have killed us half a century ago?
It's fine to want competition in the field of healthcare, and to reduce the increasing cost of medical treatment, but what you're suggesting is absolute fantasy.

Im far left but still think that the wall NEEDS to be built, but honestly usa is shit too

>>728799256
did Hungary build a real concrete wall or a fence?

>>728800177
Just a fence, but refugees never wanted to settle here anyways because hungary is cokoarable to me shitholes

>>728799256
Just a reminder that ANYONE can be a hungarian citizen if have enough money (our beloved pm is hiding a saudi millionare with terrorists connections wanted by the FBI)

>>728793365
>Peace of mind
It's 25 billion dollars you spoiled cunt. You haven't payed taxes a day in your life and you tell me I have to pay for this useless shit?

>>728801184
everything that is bought legally is taxed

>>728785871
why do you keep posting this same fucking threads

FFS get a new hobby

>>728785871
it's a waste of tax money

"fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man" - general george s patton

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>>728785871
>there are people who think this is wrong

>>728785871
>people
I bet you're happy orange man started ww3 and your albino ass is roasted.

>>728802153
This is work

>>728802153
I wonder how the germans on each side felt about the wall before it was torn down

The east became a huge burden on the west

One assumes the east would of had a lot of scary state propaganda in the news though

>>728786325
>Americans
You do know there are three America's,right? RIGHTTTTT?

>>728802153
they should have left it up even after opening the border. it just feels good to see a nice big wall

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>there are people who think this is wrong

It's a waist of a shit ton of money. They'll go over, under, or around it. Duh.......

>>728803519
It's a waste of a teeny, tiny, itsy-bitsy amount of money compared to all the other money the government wastes

>>728791546
You do know not the entire country wants this right..?

>>728786005
>He did all the Young's modulus and stress analyses
I look forward to you showing me them

>>728804146
True for every other boondoogle that's ever been passed, and there are zillions of them still being funded

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>>728785871

Oh no, whatever shall the Mexicans do?