there are people who think this is wrong

>>728736982
They are called liberals and Illegals.

Well I'd say so. There's big gaps that people can just walk right through.

Insert inane stereotypical response here

>>728736982
missing river, fuck-o

It's plain stupid

>>728736982
It's nice that it comes with a nice sidewalk

>>728737233
Why isnt this guy our architect

>>728736982
Not morally, just fiscally irresponsible

>>728736982
Fuck them.

>>728737481
This. Illegals will still easily find ways to get past it. It's basically a 15+ billion dollar detour for them.

>>728736982
not everyone can be right. we should have it be a scenic bike trail as well. that'd would put more eyes along the border and make it harder for the tacos to sneak by. and then you got like the hippes you can make happy too

Every nation worth it's salt has protected borders, as well as severe penalties for being in their country illegally. And God or whatever deity of your choice help if you break the law there.

Our country has been so retarded in handling itself for years now.

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I'm Mexican and I think this is the greatest thing ever! The US will spend billions of dollars on a wall that ultimately won't stop shit. Money that can go to education, infrastructure and helping the American people will go to a useless wall. What's not to like about that?

>>728737984
I agree. The native Americans should have gutted every single europoor who set foot on the continent the moment their shoe touched sand.

>>728737763
>implying that building a wall once that will stop millions of illegals from crossing into your country is more expensive than just letting them in.

The taxpayer funds wasted on the legal proceedings alone would probably pay for the wall in a few years.

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>>728737940
A scenic bike trail? You've not spent a lot of time down here, have you?

>>728737763
>lets leave hundreds of miles of un-finished border so we can spend twice as much running border patrol indefinitely

Yeah, don't quit your day job for accounting retard.

>>728737811
The wall works for Israel. The thing is once it is built you MUST ENFORCE the law. Has anyone ever though about how fucked up Mexico's president is. A leader should be trying to improve their countries economy and bettering their people. Not trying to push their people off onto another country.

>>728738186
No, those savings won't even make a dent. 20-30 billion is a shitload of money.

>>728736982
Yeah, cant we just bomb the wetbacks instead? Or when we catch an illegal, just send the corpse back.

>>728738328
Israel's border is a tiny fraction the size of ours, and they are in an entirely more severe situation. If the cartels were lobbing mortars all day over into Texas you bet your ass we'd have a big fuckin wall already.

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>>728736982
The "wrong" part is that it won't have a wide enough mine field and that it needs far more machine gun pillboxes.

>>728736982
Missing the months and months of dirt/ground prep, but its a good system.

>>728737811
It's a starting point. The first stage laying the foundation and constructing the perimeter wall.

From there they can add all sorts of improvements and upgrades.

Sensors, infrared, remote turrets...

>>728738371
Yeah and why stop there's let's keep the youngest of the orphaned dirty Mexican illegals and then eat them alive. Actually why stop there, why don't we just rape every single Mexican, they are a worthless race after all.

Oh man my big American cock is So throbbing right now look at me. God I'm so fucking tough aren't I.

Maga

>>728736982
No laser beams -10 points

>>728738186
>taxpayer funds

But...but...Mexico is going to pay.

Keep eating that finger chili.

>>728738542
The muslims don't have that many mortars to lob, and the cartels are sending billions of dollars worth of illegal addictive, enslaving drugs across every year.

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>>728738584

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anyone that directly benefits from the multibillion dollar contract would be quite happy about it...

which makes me wonder if drumpf has any business associates with a concrete company.

>>728738834
>illegal addictive, enslaving drugs
what's wrong with capitalism?

you fucking commie

>>728736982

Waste of money, walls are useless. Look at literally ALL of history.

>>728738328
>Israel
So you're saying they should put walls on single state border?

>>728736982
Well it's a waste of money if nothing else
And you know that 6ft underground rule is either retarded or propaganda-they're just going to tunnel down 12ft and carry on

>>728738764
>Yeah and why stop there's let's keep the youngest of the orphaned dirty Mexican illegals and then eat them
> alive. Actually why stop there, why don't we just rape every single Mexican, they are a worthless race after all.

>Oh man my big American cock is So throbbing right now look at me. God I'm so fucking tough aren't I.

... wait, that's not sarcasm is it?

>>728738584
that's what i was thinking

>>728738171
They should have built cities, ships, technology and colonized their Land before more advanced adversaries arrived?

Not our fault their ancestors sucked at Age of Empires RL edition.

>>728737233
>>728737744
/ourarchitect/

>>728737481
pretty much exactly right. You'd be further ahead creating a virtual wall by establishing a dead zone using automated defense systems. Anything that moves in the dead zone gets blown the fuck up. It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper and more effective.

>>728738834
They're responding to the high demand for their product in this, the country with the highest use of recreational drugs on the planet.

If Americans weren't sucking up drugs like an Electrolux, they wouldn't be directing their business here.

>>728738764
No, thats not how you do it. Genocide doesnt work if you allow them to reproduce.

>>728738919
Cemex is going to make a killing, so at least Mexicans will benefit

im illegal, i like to keep USA stupid and wasting their money in stupid things so dont spend on education, that way they will always need smart immigrants to come and succeed in what they can not achieve because spend to much time fighting

>>728738834
Id take cartel drugs over the terrorism deal the Israelis have. We should do something to curb the drug flow but I don't think this wall is going to do it. There's so many ways to overcome it:

Tunnels
Ladders
Airplanes
Slingshots
Just tossing the bags over the top

All this is already done with the fence today, it's not like every inch of this wall is going to be monitored 24/7. Plenty of shit is going to still get through.

>>728738171
They tried and failed

>>728738681
don't forget as they build the wall they can check for tunnels

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>>728738681
can't wait for you to explain how to build the wall down the middle of the Rio Grande. Pic related.

>>728738542
It's 440 mile long. that is about a third of what ours would be. Building the wall all the way high enough and enforcing the immigration laws will help. Yes you will not stop everyone. but you will greatly reduce it. Also you need to make stiffer punishments for the smugglers, like life in prison if caught mandatory no parole. The Illegals need to be dropped off in Mexico city and not just across the border.

>>728736982
Well, for starters it looks hideous, not saying ti should be a great wall os China or anything, but it could at least follow terrain curve and have some color on it...

>>728739022
>And you know that 6ft underground rule is either retarded or propaganda-they're just going to tunnel down 12ft and carry on

The fag-cartels have to tunnel into building, so from one city to another. We'll just build even deeper, and maybe another wall, in cities. There's no reason the US shouldn't be allowed to protect itself from uneducated, ineducable invaders.

>>728739043
It is. There are so many bloodthirsty thoughtless cunts in this thread it makes me sick. Mexicans aren't people to these cucks anymore, and that's a dangerous thing.

Just a bunch of sad losers stroking thier murdercocks

>>728738067
obvious bait is obvious

>>728736982
That will never last.

>>728739064
They had a pretty solid civilization going on but a nasty series of plagues wiped out them out before the North American settlers came. It was basically native post apocalypse by that point.

>>728738833
No dice, Chad. Trump is busy playing golf, and bombing Syria.

>>728739505
fucking christ you're a moron.

>>728739505
Agreed.

Funny thing is, if they were living in abject poverty, with little to no hope of getting out of it, and the opportunity to feed themselves and their families were just across the Canadian line, they would be screaming for the right of unfettered access to Alberta.

>>728738584
I see you've graduated from how to be an edgelord high, let me get you your complementary yellow belt and katana.

>>728739657
>pretty solid civilization
>le teepee city here we come

>>728739505
>murdercocks
That would make a fine metal song.

>>728736982

No. There are people who think this is a massive waste of our tax dollars while there are much more worthy projects we should be funding.

>>728739368
Not to mention we do use a lot of that River...if we build a wall we are handing it to Mexico, it'll actually recede our land a good bit because the wall is miles inland, not on the border itself.

You gotta love how /pol/ just spills over to /b/

Fucking fags

>>728738218
You're ignoring the issue that we'll have to pay for the walls maintenance just as indefinitely

>>728739368
>>728739855
You guys know they will probably build something and end up killing a good portion of the river, right?
It's not like Trump cares much about the environment.

>>728739505
we are gonna get you..ooo

>>728737481
Not an argument. Neither is the repetoir of insults and belittling labels you have for the majority of the human population who disagrees with you. Keep at it though. Double down again and again - as many times as you want with that. It's why Trump won so easily and why he will continue getting his way.

>stupid, racist, homophobic, xenophobic etc.
None of that works nor will it ever. What it does in fact do is weaken YOUR own position, greatly. Again, that's why Trump won so easily and why he will continue getting his way. Grow up

>>728739505
>There are so many bloodthirsty thoughtless cunts in this thread

Invading a country, forcing yourself to be allowed on welfare the second you get in, and enslaving tens of millions in your new host country via addictive drugs, are some things that commonly lead to having folks dislike you. I was 21 before I met a single latino who didn't either steal something from me or try to start a fight.

>>728737763
>>728737763

Nigger we spend billions on illegals every year.

>>728739505
Reply

>>728739728
No the morons are the senseless foresight lacking mouth breathers who think shit like having a minefield along our border is a good idea.

You know, a minefield...the thing that tends to completely ruin land and kill innocent kids for generations. I'm sure little Bobby ten years down the line will be so glad he got his legs blown off because he thought it'd be fun to explore around his southern Texas border town.

>>728740110
>racist, homophobic, xenophobic
All are irrational so you undermined your won dumb argument fucking faggot

keep getting cucked by Trump

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>>728739505
Wanting a border = being a blood thirsty murderer now.

The left everyone. This is how liberals actually think. Diseased minds.

Is every country that has an established border a blood thirsty murderous country? Can I just walk to Mexico and stay there for the rest of my life without checking in with their customs/border people? Can i do that in any country on the planet?

What a head.

>>728740384
I think he is talking about the anons that want dead zones, mines, and turrets

>>728740317
yeah and I'm sure congress polls 4chan for ideas

>>728740230
enjoy your $10 tomatoes once Jose Beaner and friends aren't getting paid $25/day to pick them.

>>728740110
I love how trump dick worshippers thought that just because he eeked out an electoral victory that all the disdain and insults from the left would just disappear.

We are still here hick boy, and you are still a degenerate brute. Enjoy black lung in the coal mines. Maga!

>>728740631
>>728740631

>implying we only get food from America

Kek.

>>728740319
>being this mad
>getting this belligerent and then actually making a rage post like this
>"y-youre a cuck!"

I'm sure you're a real positive and constructive force of contribution to society, with many friends who rely on and respect you. Kek Thanks for proving my point, loser

>>728740677
>>728740677

>eeked out

That's a weird way to say he won by 74 votes.

>>728740660
>shifting the blame
anon, I...

>>728739837
Wooden long house cities for the most part. Some parts of the country had dug-ins or clay housing. Tee-pees are basically tents. They were built around the need to follow prey and migrate frequently when all their domesticated animals died in the plague. Sadly, most of the housing that was used pre-apocalypse ended up being burnt as firewood. The outlines are still in the soil though, if one cares to take a look at it. (It's one of the main dig types in the US. It might be boring as fuck, but atleast I don't have to worry about bat-shit locals

>>728740631
I don't care. I don't like tomato's. I also hate ILLEGALS EVEN MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>728740677
>we are still here, and we will not stop doing what lost us the election and keeps us at the bottom with no political power
Lol okay then. You keep on pouting and throwing a fit while the adults get actual things done and make real progress. Stay mad and irrelevant sweety

>>728740384
A border I understand, I may not fully agree but I get it, and it's fine with me.

It's the guys getting all horny about setting up death traps to kill tons of people trying to cross the border, as if they weren't even human. It's some pathetic ass shit.

>>728740818
>to whose actual fault it is

>>728740660
No, i mean, Trump doesn't give a shit about environment.
Iligals drive the need for better life conditions on their country, otherwise they will keep immigrating no matter what.

>>728740878
>soylent-chugging autist detected

>>728740678
...yeah but most of our food is from America. We are the global breadbasket. If we lose our berry pickers either domestic food costs go up or we import which is more expensive.

>>728741015
I've never heard anyone talk about those things, and I almost exclusively talk to people who support the wall. If you think people who want death traps are anywhere close to a majority then you are retarded.

>>728741031
who made the decision? was it the only option?

>>728740677
>>728740920
Saved for cringe threads

>>728740869
Honestly it sucks we don't have more info on pre-apocalypse native America. They seem so fascinating.

>>728741209
Same question but directed at everyone who crosses the border illegally

Right? Wrong? Whatever.

Pointless, wasteful and ineffectual? Absolutely.

The return on investment is non-existent. The majority of illegal immigrants are coming on a plane and just not leaving when they're supposed to.

>>728736982
You're gonna need to build it twice as deep and thick for it stand wholly erect. And if it is going to be made out of concrete... You better have that shit reinforced, not just plated, as those walls you see there are like contingency walls on highways.. So they aren't very thicc.

>>728741209
are you gay? do your parents know?

>>728740869
The "apocalypse" was only a couple hundred thousand. There was a peak poplulation in what is now the US and Canada of about half a million, and when the Europeans arrived there were a little over three hundred thousand. There just weren't enough people for diseases to do much damage.

>>728741201
Oh I know it's no majority. Someone needs to bash the 4chan retards though.

>>728741352
>should i starve and die here or try somwhere else...?
Yeah, that's a though choice...

>>728741369
That's why we have the ICE and why raids have begun. They WILL go back and it's happening. They can come back to America when and if they do it legally, but only then and not before.

>>728741352
but their decision is inderect to the environment, just stop, anon.

>>728741439
Yes.

>>728740024
Which still costs way fucking less than leaving it open for all the money we spend on supporting people who don't even pay taxes and send their checks to mexico.

>>728741454
It mostly just KOed the cities.

>>728741605
Got proof?

>>728741454
you are dumb

>>728741442
>no argument
don't even bother

>>728736982
I am one of them
you should bomb them instead and occupy their lands

>>728741666
>satan with the "do you have liscenses and tax records for all these illegals?"

Of course not. You are supposed to be smart

Building a wall will ensure we get the physically best for slave labor in the fields.

>ITT: We are /pol/

>>728741605
Technically, illegals do pay some taxes.

>>728741666
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/illegal-immigrants-account-107-billion-nation-s-health-care-costs-data-show

http://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/the-fiscal-cost-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-the-us-taxpayer

https://amac.us/illegal-immigration-cost-1/

>>728741708
(yes)

>>728741776
are you done being edgy? or is it just for the (you)s?

>>728741066
No, Latinos have 6-8 child families when they can't afford to raise even one. They expect their children to get jobs when they're still young, to invade the US to steal jobs, and to work for cartels enslaving others. If they gave a fuck about the environment, their children, their ancestors, their race or their country, they would have a 1-2 child family, raise them well, and try to give them a better life. It is their self interest and hateful life choices that drive the border wall, as I say.

>>728741880
>>>/pol/
you seem lost, this is /b/

>>728741483
But anon, you're one of us

>>728741534
>>728741583
It's not America's fault that they are starving, but the illegal population in America is responsible for a lot of American class disparity. Native people who were born in this country are finding it harder to get jobs early on in life, which is kind of a big deal. Not having a decent start early on is rough. That's our domestic situation already, but then illegals come and make it worse.

>boo hoo they're starving
He have peoplw starving in America. We have enough problems. Trump won anyway so it's not like you guys are relevant at all. The wall is being built and illegals are getting raided every day to be deported. Stay mad.

If you care so much then go to Mexico and do something.
>crickets and awkward silence
Or just shut the fuck up :D

>>728741882
I'm sure they don't buy their bubblegum at the gas station.

>>728741580
Then what the fuck does that have to do with the wall? Is the the wall going to screen out the people who are planning to overstay a visa?

>>728741951
You mean if they had proper education programs and some safety?
Stupid people locked at home tend to fuck more than others.

>>728741583
>change the parameters
>you're so silly anon

>>728742049
Where the fuck else are you going to get your bubblegum?

>>728742108
The wall is to help keep illegals out. It's an upgrade to whatever the fuck was going on before. Worth it for the cost? Probably not. But it has an undeniable huge affect already and it's not even built yet, so there that

>>728742043
I'm not arguing against or in favor of the imigrants, I'm just arguing that the wall may fuck up the environment, and the blame isn't in the imigrants

>>728742266
BUT THEY ARE NOT PHYSICALLY WALKING OVER THE BORDER. IF THEY ARE COMING IN ON A PLANE THEY WILL FLY RIGHT OVER THE FUCKING WALL

>>728742157
Even in the US they refuse to be educated, and refuse to control their population. A human should be smart and caring enough to control their family sizes and have concern for their own children. If they can't be taught to act like humans and limit family size, they get a wall to do it for them.

>>728742157
>2017
>not being self educated
Wahh wahh need the world because I'm too weak and stupid to thrive on my own!
Wahh wahh give me government programs and systems to exploit for free money while I contribute nothing in return!
Wahh wahh why isn't it socially acceptable to be a leeching piece of shit? You're all wrong! Have a heart!

>>728736982
The only thing I see wrong here is that it isn't a double layered fence.

>>728742043
>We have people starving in America.
>We have enough problems.
Yeah, instead of giving aid to countries that keep losing population to immigration due to poverty which in turns harms us we should take care of our own by bombarding Syria, that will keep americans well fed and mexicans away.

Spending over a billion dollars on a wall while gutting health care, the arts, and social programs? A wall that's likely to mostly work on a symbolic level no less. That is wrong. Even a fiscal conservative should see that. Especially if you factor in Trump's proposed tax plan. You can't not tax and spend - unless you literally want a weak dollar.

Punk ass bitch

>>728742373
If they are coming in on a plane their arrival can be controlled, not least by having to pay a pilot to fly them. That's at least better than strolling in as they please.

>>728742191
How is their decision to migrate afecting the envrioment damage of the wall? They are not making the wall, they didn't take the decision to make the wall. They didn't even want the wall.

>>728742421
Giving your argumentative ability i'd say free education wouldn't help only mexicans.

>>728742584
They are coming in on commercial airlines as passengers on visas. Again, nothing to do with a fucking wall.

>>728742338
That's fair. Consumerism is whats fucking up the environment. The industrial world is centered around consumerism, and industry is the world's biggest cause of pollution

>>728742373
Who the fuck are you? Do you watch the border all day every day? Do you study border patrol reports on the regular? No? Then shut the fuck up and quit acting like you know what you're talking about, buzzfeed drone lookin' fuckboy

To be fair a helicopter flying for 3 minutes should ne enough to invalidade the wall effectiveness, some of those mexicans pay thousands to have a chance of getting in, more than enough to pay for fuel and a pilote fora few minutes...

>>728742518
Here is an idea: how about they stop coming here and work together
on their own country, so it's not shit anymore so they don't feel the need to keep coming over here?

>>728742621
I think the sequence of words you were looking for is "ability to debate"
>a joke that tells itself
Kek
>crickets and awkward silence again

>>728741901
So all illegals do not pay taxes... Interesting belief. But okay.

>>728742915
Sounds like they have enough to do well enough for themselves in Mexico. If they can afford a helicopter ride, they can afford food. Nice try

>>728742579
Obongo wasted/gave away over $16 trillion in 8 years, That's $6 trillion by halving the military discretionary spending and $10 trillion added to the national debt. by comparison, WWII costed the US $8 trillion in modern dollars, in total. *That's* what happened to the arts and social programs. Healthcare is being destroyed by Obongo-care, not so much cost cutting.

By the way, as you won't know, $16 trillion is more than a $ billion.

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>>728736982
I dont think it is wrong but I do worry it will be ineffective. Especially with the previous drug/smuggling tunnels and potential contraptions to get over it. It would be illogical to defund critical parts of the government to fund such a folly.

>>728742944
>how about they stop coming here
Why would they? Hollywood promisses to the whole world that the US is a paradise, all that merchandise fast food costing a few bucksm it's the US fault for indocrinating the world into believing in the american dream without being american.

>>728743051
have you ever took a helicopter ride? Those a cheap as fuck and immigrants save all they can for the big travel.

“We must protect Texas from the Obama administration or any administration from taking our land,” Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick said in a 2014 Facebook post.

Now that it's a republican taking the land to build a fucking wall they're all ok with it. Not the people who's land is being taken, but Republican politicians. The people are going to be pissed. These are the kind of folks who rooted for a millionaire who along with his missionary buddies pointed guns at the feds over an attempt to seize cattle for illegally grazing on federal land because the god damned millionaire refused to pay the government grazing rights. You think they are going to just stand by while the feds take their land for a pittance?

>>728743056
That was all debt from Bush's wars that they kept off the books so it wouldn't look bad for them, and Obama finally made them report the real amount. He didn't spend all that money.

Mfw. The only real argument here is.
>It's MY Money and I want it NOW

>>728742944
>"ability to debate"
No, those are not the words i was looking for, but you'd think so wouldn't you, you are "self taught".

>>728743435
dan patrick is a fucking moran.

>>728743279
Are you native American? Unless your family ancestry predates the Union I've got some bad news for you. One of your ancestors came here for the American dream.

>>728736982
Not wrong, stupid.

>>728743576
> moran

Pot, meet kettle.

>>728743382
Instead of saving for travel, thwy should be collaborating about how to improve their coubtry. These are people who have no patriotism, no desire to help improve their own native land, and they expect to ILLEGALLY come to the most patriotic country on earth? That's a fucking joke m8. America doesn't need to respect and pander to people who have no desire to serve their country.

>>728737481
>didn't say it's plane stupid

Mass deportation would only lead to a new age of pirates and smugglers...

You know.. That now doesn't sound so bad... I've always wanted to be a pirate.

>>728743608
>Are you native American
No, but my family tree goes all the way back several portions of Europe, it was one of the five families to settle our town, plenty of indian burial grounds around here too, i like it.

>>728738067
ur so damn right my friend! xD

>>728743776
Catapult?

>>728743559
I mean I think so because I actually talk to people outside of an anonymous image board and legitimately debate but okay

>>728743682
get a brain, faggot.

>>728743768
You just answered your own question, they don't give a fuck and an expensive wall is just another thing to cross on an already dangerous travel.

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>>728744074
>legitimately debate
Provide legitimacy to the statement you just presented..

>>728743437
Obviously you aren't that stupid. You can type, so you couldn't be.

The wars cost only around half a $ trillion by 2008, and their cost had dropped considerably by the end. That's compared to about $45 trillion total military budget during those 7 years, not much of an increase, and only added $150 billion or so to the debt.

Obongo gave a lot of that $16 trillion away to Africa, the middle east, and Asian countries. That retarded dumb fuk actually took out loans from China and Japan then gave it right back to them as "aid". Obongo should have been killed like any other traitor. They're living like kings, Africa saw a huge boom in construction, and we got only massive debt out of it.

People that want a wall:

> people that have literately never even seen a mexican in real life
> people that don't understand how taxes work
> people that don't realize other people can build ladders
> people that don't understand that mexicans have planes, hot air balloons, gliders, and other flying machines
> people that have never applied for the shitty jobs illegal immigrants do

>>728744217
Proof?

>>728744172
>they don't give a fuck about their own country
But my country is supposed to give a fuck about them? Nice mental gymnastics you've got there.

>>728744074
>legitimately debate
>I think so
>I talk to people
Damn, some fine objective points there mate, hard to argue agains that lol.

>>728744156
Oh, so you meant senator Moran? Is he a moron? That's Kansas's business.

>>728744407
>everything is an argument no matter what

>>728738681
Sensors and turrets on 3200 km wall? Are you literally fucking retarded?

Great place to park a taco truck.

>>728744353
Forgot tunnels... Smugglers... And the corrupt politics that control all of latin america

>>728744379
Never said your country should care, just that they won't do shit, their country won't either and they will keep comming.

You guys either try to make their lifes worth in their own country or skip the chat and bombard them already, the wall is a band-aid made of gold on a hemorragic wound.

My life as a white American has never once been impeded by illegal Mexicans. All the "they turk er jerbs" shit is propaganda. I could give a fuck about Mexicans "invading" this country. Anyone who's afraid of that is just fucking stupid.

>>728744409
newfag.

>>728744700
Sounds like a nice place. Too bad the people there who keep it shitty want to come to America and make it shitty

>>728744624
short answer? yes.

>>728738764
Sarcasm?

>>728737163
Or, for the most part, "people who aren't fucking morons."

>>728744742
>implying russia wouldn't seize the opportunity to "aid" them against the "capitalist threat"

>>728744734
what is that webm? did she drink paint?

>>728744377

>Proof?

I keep meaning to teach you how to use jewgle ...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/africa/africa-construction-boom/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War


"The largest number comes from calculating how much the debt increased during Obama's two terms. On January 20, 2009, when he was sworn in, the debt was $10.626 trillion. On January 20, 2017, it was $19.947 trillion. That's why most people say Obama added $9 trillion to the debt, more than any other president."

https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293

>>728744734
wtf is this

>>728736982
Where are the parapets so we can shoot down at them?

>>728736982
Some dude bidding for the contract wants to make it out of concrete and carpet.

Layering carpet scraps and immersing them in concrete, allowing for more tinsel strength, lowering the cost because little to no rebar, and recycling at the same time.

I'm rather partial to the idea, simply for how off the wall it sounds. Can even get the nignog community to help by donating worn out Nikes in exchange for a tax rebate to allow them to buy new, over priced Nikes.

What people aren't taking into account is anything the government spends money on, is 30-40% off.
So you the US Government Pays their Buddy's company to build a fountain in city square.
They pay Buddy's company $100,000 for it.
That money gets taxed at 30-40% as income.
Also some of that money is spent on materials, which is taxed 5-10%.
Then the money gets spent again, taxed in sales and income.
The government putting money into the economy isn't really as big of a problem as people make it out to be. Once a dollar changes hands a few times it's back in the governments pocket.
A government's best interest is to create an economy of consumerism of domestic goods.
That's why domestic manufacturing is so damn important. That's why factory jobs could support families of 10, while today they can barely support a family of 2.

>>728744742
America wants the world to take care if itself. We want shitty countries like Mexico to take care of itself too, but it won't and doesn't want to. So the wall is happening because the idea is we don't want a population of complacent weak retards to leavw a country theyve abandoned just to come take advantage of another country which they have no intention of actually contributing to. Don't pretend like America isn't the most hated country in the world. Mexicans don't feel like they owe America anything, they are just looking out for themselves. We don't need anymore people like that here

>>728745034
lol @ "off the wall"

>>728744906
I was wondering the same. Maybe she had too much algae concentrate for dinner.

>>728744902
It won't if you go with the "aid them" option, if anything that would assure another ally, even if kindda shitty, against Russia.

By the way, funny that you's mention Russia, as far as the rest of the world is concerned Putin if one hell of a thread to you guys, how is you government handling it?

>>728745176
Soylent Green is not algae, it's people

>>728745034
all that recycling is definitely gonna make up for the disrupted migration routes the wall is gonna create.

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Meanwhile in Mexico City

>>728744884
>Or, for the most part, "people who aren't fucking morons."

so, if someone suddenly decides that all the countries that have borders are wrong, does it make that person more intelligent than all the people that live in 1st world countries with borders?

What makes you so smart? Is your desire for no borders what makes you more intelligent?

>>728745230
Russia is our ally. The fact that the media is trying to sell you a different version of the truth just shows how bias they are. Nobody who isn't willfully ignorant actually thinks Russia and America are on bad terms right now.

>>728745140
>Don't pretend
No one is pretending, the US has a pretty bad rap everywhere, but it's mostly because it likes to meddle when it isn't welcome, financing dictatorships, training torturers etc, if your government kept to itself in these regards as it does witha internation aid programs you be a lot more popular.

>>728744923
Nice reliabel resources

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-jobs-report-labor-market-participation-rate-2017-1/#one-place-where-the-jobs-recovery-has-been-underwhelming--6

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

>>728745472
nice fupa, eh?

>>728745437
Unlikely to affect the coyotes for long. They'll just burrow under, and guarantee the wall won't be built deep enough. Won't put a dentist in human trafficking, let alone drugs or weapons.

>>728745543
It's not my government m8. I didn't vote for any of them. Is happily assist a purge. I know what you're saying though, but that's how it is. Society works for the ones who've convinced everybody else that they are at the top, and the rest of us inherit consequences.

>>728745230
I meant more like a cuban missle crises is abound... And it'll be in mexico.. Russia will care less which country breaks first... As long as they can set up shop near the US, they will be more than happy to exploit that country's "hospitality"

>>728736982
This is DEFINITELY wrong. Look how thin those walls are!

>>728739790
>how to be an edgelord high, let me get you your complementary yellow belt and katana.

Better than being a beta cucked faggot hungry for cock like yourself any day.

>>728745679
>>728745679
>coyotes are the only animals that migrate across the us/mexico border
haha

>>728736982
https://discord.gg/cMD2Vch

>>728745508
Only a Breitbart shill would claim that we openly have a great relationship with Russia, which is under heavy sanctions. It's like claiming we had a great relationship with Rhodesia.

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>>728745578
"Barack Obama: Added $7.917 trillion, a 68 percent increase from the $11.657 trillion debt at the end of George W. Bush’s last budget, FY 2009."

... and that's an greatly understimated liberal value. Liberals are very similar to the soviet union and china, they make up whatever number helps them, and here they *still* say that Obama-the-traitor almost doubled the debt.

In pic, the late down turn i debt is the internet bubble, and the debt is relatively flat until 9/11, then there is Obongo.

Ok guys, this was fun but i gotta go, have to fap and get some sleep, have a nice one.

>>728737163
It's clearly a waste of money.

Walls have been obsolete for centuries. If we want to actually defend the border we should use cameras and drones. Respond before they even get to the border.

https://youtu.be/vO2Su3erRIA

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just booby trap that side?

We shall call it...

Who wants to be an immigrant... if you can cross you can be an american

lol

>>728746049
Bait. Obvious bait, but seriously you can't be so stupid not to put two and two together from the context and figure out that "coyote" is what people have taken to calling human traffickers on the Mexico/US border.

Try harder.

>>728744734
need sauce on this

>>728746255
No he didn't. You're either lying or extremely gullible.

>>728744734
Nightblood.

>>728746663
we were talking about wildlife, not people.

>>728739141
110% agree
the wall idea really is dumb

>>728742654
This. literally anyone can go to any country on a work/workholiday/tourist visa and just overstay it. Yanks are just retarded, their education is so poor that yanks from the south literally think illegals just walk across the desert lol.

>>728746981
Only because of the length. If we were tiny like Israel a wall with armed checkpoints could work. It's an expensive method of keeping people out that should be a last resort, not what you do to keep out less than a terrorist threat. We aren't at literal war with Mexico. This isn't Israel. It's god damned America. We keep our wars thousands of miles away. We don't shit where we sat.

>>728747347
about half of the illegals come across the land border with mexico. the bad ones are usually the ones doing that, the good ones come legally then dont leave.

>>728747347
>their education is so poor that yanks from the south literally think illegals just walk across the desert lol.

Don't take my word for it, you can watch the videos of them pouring in from across the desert. They leave trails of trash everywhere they go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waHPeTcIucM

>>728747347
Spoken like a true ignorant non-American. When will you ever stop being mad that you'll never be as relevant as America?

>>728742654
You're fucking stupid. Again, nothing to do with a brain.

Ausfag here. Amerilards need to learn how to do immigration control. We just catch our shitskins, throw em in camps and release them back into the wild after a while.

>>728742654
>gain, nothing to do with a fucking wall.


Then, the wall shouldn't bother you at all.

>>728736982
What's embarrassing is that there are people who think it'll work.

>>728736982
>>728736982
There are people who think this is anything more than symbolic and will actually stop anyone from getting into the country.

>> lets spend billions of dollars on a wall that can be defeated by a single mexican guy with 2 extension ladders and a roll of duct tape.


fucking retarded ass clowns.

>>728747943
its a lot of money up front, and maintenance, and the environmental destruction of creating such a massive barrier, and it makes us look like retards.

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https://youtu.be/jG9f-1mxfiM

Anyone that doesn't think mexicunts don't pour across the border is just naive, or trying to deceive, or perhaps both.

>>728748023
It works in Jerusalem.

>>728740384
It's funny because he's black...Wait. They're all black and he's the only dumb cunt...Also it's likely a joke.

>>728748023
so, it's embarrassing to you to find out it works in Jerusalem?

>>728748023
It works pretty well in every country that has a strong border wall. The Saudis just enforced their fence too.

Maybe you're just a lot smarter than all these countries with functional border walls and fences!!!! wow!

>>728747924
Catch and release. I like it. I grew up doing that with turtles and snakes and frogs etc.

Doing that to some illegal taco snakes sounds like a good idea.

>>728748054
>environmental destruction


Oh my gosh... no no... you didn't mean it.. .will it make man made climate change happen even faster if we keep illegally crossing mexicans out?

>>728748138
Jews are more polite and well educated than Muslims. Less inbred too. For all the flak America gets for being Israel's bff, and as much as i think Judaism is fucking retarded, I would rather have Israel as an ally than having one of their degenerate enemies an ally instead. Fuck em if they got no chill.

>>728748054
>and it makes us look like retards.

Probably makes all those countries that have functional border walls look stupid, doesn't it? like Jerusalem, and well, almost every first world country that's bordered with a developing country!!

Yes, they look so retarded!!!

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DNA and fossil research shows that aboriginal Americans actually have ancestry in both Europe and Asia. Meaning you have half a mixture of the two races considered to be the smartest by American racist. Still we disrespect their cultures ,religions and intelligence constantly.

>>728736982
There are also people who think the earth is flat and eating pork sends you to hell.
Some opinions don't matter.

>>728748588
But anon his bubble is too thick to penetrate. I'm sorry but it was a nice try

>>728748453
no, the disrupted migration routes will affect predator populations, which will allow things like javelinas and deer populations to grow uncontrollably. it has nothing to do with climate, everything to do with wildlife population management. its gonna be expensive.

>>728748588
Jerusalem isn't a country. It's a land that currently houses two officially recognized governments that are at war. Are we at war with Mexico?

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>>728737466
>missing machine gun nests and minefield

>>728748536
>Judaism is fucking retarded

Judaism is pretty benign for the most part. Orthodox jews don't even believe in a creator god, heaven, hell, or any of that bullshit.

They're sort of "culturally Jewish" on Friday nights and Saturdays.

It explains their unusually high number of Nobel prizes in science and medicine. They're not held back by dogmatism.

>>728748588
Israel isn't exactly a role model, given that they're an apartheid nation.

>>728748588
name another "first world" country bordering a developing country with a border wall.

why is this illegal thing even a major issue?

>>728748840
You mean american reform and conservative. Not orthodox. Fuck sake. Know your sects.

>>728748845
>Israel isn't exactly a role model, given that they're an apartheid nation.

That's just the opinion of those in support of retarded Palestinians and Hamas.

>>728748598
Our ancestors could have migrated off Atlantis, traveled together after their civilization sank (metaphorically or literally who knows) but certain groups settled on different places on earth along the way. So like some stayed in what is now called South America while others went on further north etc. Some went REALLY far north and settled with the fuckin reindeer. Well it's an interesting theory at least

Oh yeah and racism is bad mmkay?

>>728748795
why did you post this picture of a wall?

>>728748917
No, I meant what I said, and you can look it up. 95% of orthodox Jews are not dogmatic at all. They're culturally jewish.

Most gave up their beliefs they were "god's chosen people" with the holocaust.

>>728748840
i thought it was the reform jews that dont believe in a literal god, the orthodox were the ones with the hats and curls that hate everything that isnt like them?

Anyone who believes a wall will have any substantial impact on illegal immigration is a moron.

>>728741901

From first link:

>The cost of treating illegal aliens amounts to nearly $11 billion a year, according to calculations done by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a non-profit group that opposes illegal immigration.

Reliable evidence I see.

>>728744734
if you don't party this hard don't fucking talk to me

>>728749055
>Most gave up their beliefs they were gods chosen people with the holocaust
is that why they think they have a divine right to the land israel is on?

>>728749070
No, those are Hasidic Jews. Orthodox Jews are barely religious at all.

Jews don't believe they were ever enslaved in Egypt either. Their own archaeologists discovered that and spread it throughout Israel.

>>728749073
*moran.

get a brain!

>>728737163
They are called people who don't want to spend tax money on a measure historically proven to not work.

>>728748840
That's just my opinion but I mean yeah I don't disagree with you at all. Jews and their religion are 2 separate realities to me. I take people on a individual basis and all the news I've met irl have been very polite and cool people. They wouldn't mention their religion unless asked and I respect that so much. Muslims on the other hand are not like that. They are assertive about their religion and ignorantly so. Islam isn't built on principles of live and let live but on principles of conquest, and that shows in muslim behavior. Islam is trash, Judaism isn't that bad.

>>728749073
>Anyone who believes a wall will have any substantial impact on illegal immigration is a moron.

Anyone that says shit like this is a shit stain.

>>728748938
This is what Americas rural filth actually believe.

>>728738681
Remote turrets are banned under international law.

>>728737163
>>728744884
>>728736982
Samefagging this hard

>>728749478
Shallow insecure degenerate detected

>>728749055
I'm Jewish and that's not remotely true. We were a bitter skeptical people well before the Holocaust.

Anyways if you really want to see none dogmatic Jews look to reform. My Rabbi is an openly gay convert from Latin America. I haven't met the husband yet, but I doubt they keep kosher. Also we believe that creationist dogma isn't compatible with modern Judaism. Religion is cool with evolution as a concept.

>>728749637
so is bombing a country simply because you saw a video of something that offends you, but that didnt stop trump.

>>728749478
Are you pissed that Israel builds underground bomb shelters, while palestinians build tunnels so they can run suicide terror missions?


Are you pissed that palestinians hide behind their own children when fighting IDF?

Are you pissed that Palestinians are forced to launch rocket attacks from Mosques, schools and hospitals?

Is that what you're angry about?

>>728749746
>religion is cool with evolution
Eh I wouldn't say that about all religion

>>728738328
The fucking cartel is funding the campaign for the wall dumbass they're going to make so much more money on human trafficking and we are just going to make this problem worse

I would pay five thousand dollars, right now, to have one of those slabs of concrete professionally-engraved with my name and the message, "YOU ARE NOT WELCOME" on the Mexican side. I would pay ANOTHER five thousand dollars, if titanium spikes were professionally inserted into the concrete as it's drying, as a warning to any would-be "jumpers" who wanted to climb the wall.

Fuck Mexicans.

Have I got your attention, yet?

FUCK MEXICANS.

>>728747607

Yes you are right they do come through land just not through the desert dumb shit. Know how easy it is to get a Visa and actually drive or even walk across the border in San Ysidro? Nigga you are dumb as fuck. A border will solve NOTHING! Its more a symbol than anything. You get your shit Wall because 'Mericah, while Mexicans are still pouring through with visas and overstaying.

>>728749746
>I'm Jewish and that's not remotely true.

so, you're telling me you're not an Orthodox Jew, and I understand that, but you don't speak for all Jews.

http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/2001/06/what-orthodox-jews-believe.aspx

>>728749829
How can he be pissed about things which he is unaware and willfully ignorant about? Afterall he KNOWS he's right no matter what. His self entitlement probably stems from his buzzfeed pseudo-education

>>728749936
Would cost more than that tbh

This thread is proof of why rural people have no business voting in anything other than local elections.

>>728736982
I think it's retarded. Like, I want to keep out the illegals and stuff I just don't understand why anyone thinks a wall is reasonable or efficient way to do that. It's basically throwing away taxpayer money.

>>728749903
>completely ignoring the fact that marijuana is becoming more legal across the country by the day
Get out or stop talking. You're done now.

>>728749637
You think that would deter Trump? He'd just claim that it's a globalist conspiracy to derail his economic nationalist agenda. His head adviser keeps saying that Mexican immigration is "the camp of saints". Which is the most novel I've ever encountered in the main steam. That's including call of Cthulhu

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>>728747746

"This is the border between Melilla and Morocco in Africa, not the Mexican-US border."

Comment on the video. Comfirmed it myself through google.

Again you are a fucking moron. But please go ahead keep trying as hard as you can.

>>728750199
Most racist. I accidentally the racist

>>728750105
0/10 unclassy shallow bait

>>728750064
>His self entitlement probably stems from his buzzfeed pseudo-education

it's worse than that. The whole leftist movement in the U.S. has made a whole crew of people that make a perfect marriage of confidence and stupidity.

>>728739141
The U.N. would do everything within their power to fine the US into oblivion but you know, other than that.

The wall is a good idea, but what's Trump gonna do about the spics that come into the U.S. by raft/plane?

>>728749829
I'm more annoyed that we piss away billions supporting a nation that doesn't even have the courtesy to accept that they need us more than we need them and do as they are told. As of right now the best way to ensure peace in the middle east is to put every last Israeli man, woman and especially the children to the sword.

>>728739371
>drop illegal immigrants in Mexico City
>takes 30 pesos to get a bus form Mexico City to Tijuana, Juarez , or Tecate
>life in prison for drug smuggles
Do you know who pays for that ? American tax dollars and will create overcrowding in American prisons and help move Mexican cartels further into America
You're fucking dumb just make it easier for Mexicans to get a work visa

>>728736982
i don't think mexicans are the problem. but if there were a way to deport black people the US would be no. 1 in the world

>>728750299
The whole world benefits from Israel, from the technology, scientific and medical advancements they provide.

You don't get shit from Palestine, or any other muslim infected place.

>>728749978
guy you responded to here,

theyre not pouring through, there has actually been an overall emigration from america to mexico over the last couple years. people who have vast amounts of land along the border say they have seen armed drug smugglers on their land, based on just one news report that I saw. I know I'm a moran, I'm sitting on 4chan at 230 on a tuesday morning.

>>728740187

A lot of Latinos were here way before you and your parents were born. And no one forces drugs on you. You pick up the addiction yourself and create a market so fuck off with your bullshit.

>>728750357
Same with getting rid of white trash. More so actually. So much white trash.

>>728750400
>The whole world benefits from Israel
Citation needed.

>>728750299
>As of right now the best way to ensure peace in the middle east is to put every last Israeli man, woman and especially the children to the sword.

I think it wold be better to fire bomb Palestine when they act up - bigger bombs, more quiet middle east.

You've got to think logically.

>>728750459
Who will pay for the non-white trash that must live then? you?

>>728750269
the us has a permanent seat on the security council. I doubt they would, although I dont know much about the UN, other than it's located here in on the most important country on the face of the earth.

>>728736982
took us 15 years to build 9/11 towers that everyone wanted

point and laugh at anyone who legit thinks this a 3 thousand mile wall is ever going to happen

the pendulum will break the wall, we are already 1/8 through Trumps first term

>>728750400
besides oil and plastics from arabia.

>>728750299
> As of right now the best way to ensure peace in the middle east is to put every last Israeli man, woman and especially the children to the sword.

This goes along with your scripture. But, how does it feel knowing that jews could kill every single last Muslim man woman and child in Palestine?

That's got to rustle your jimmies, eh?

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>>728750400
>The whole world benefits from Israel being nuked

Fixed that for you.

>>728750461
my ass.

how is that not good enough for you?

>>728750642
>besides oil and plastics from arabia.

That shit comes from the ground, and you don't need shit skin dogmatic Islamists to get it.

What do Muslims do for the world?

>>728749996
It not remotely true that the Holocaust is why we have so many atheist. We had them before the Holocaust. If anything the Holocaust actually increased the number of faithful. Half of all Jews live in Israel. They have a fast growing ultra orthodox traditionalist sect. If not for the Holocaust then there probably wouldn't be an Israel now. Having a homeland increases the number of faithful because you're no longer a minority religion everywhere. You're just a minority everywhere but one place.

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>>728745472
Licky licky

>>728750664
Nope. The whole world, even shit skins benefit from Israel, even when israel has to spank Palestine's ass. They learn how to die, and go to jail.

>>728743028
>passive-aggressively speaking in the defense of illegals

This thread is sooo fucking reddit right now

>>728750267
And it shows in how they act all the time. It's what lost them the election and what keeps killing the rest of the relevancy they actually have left in the world. Between the assertive and deconstructive labeling, the willfully ignorant and ironically fascist mindset, and the anti-intellectual source of garbage where all their ideas even come from (liberal arts SJW ""professors"") I think it's safe to say that they are truly degenerate and it shows. What leftists have become is a societal weakness, surviving on gathering socially retarded people together and being loud about what they hate. It's about time we take measures to stop allowing them to have a voice anymore. They've abused it long enough and have been tolerated for far too long. Trump winning the election didn't get the message across, they've merely taken it as justification to double down and become even more degenerate. The riot at Berkeley is just one of many recent examples. They are putting the nails in their own coffin

>>728745472
Is the one on the right the guy from The Human Centipede 2?

>>728750842
I don't think so, champ. There'll come a time when Israel and much of the Middle East is reduced to glass, and many of us in the world will celebrate a minor victory in the eternal battle against the Rothschild Family, but for now we bide our time and continue to arm ourselves.

Israel was a mistake.

>>728750787
From the books I read, they tell us that many gave up their religion after WWII. I think opinions vary, and I can understand why they would after the holocaust.

Muslims outnumber Jews 100:1

2 nobel prizes from Arabs

24% of them from Jews.

go fucking figure.

>>728736982
I honestly want to see what the wall will actually look like and how much of the border it will actually cover

>>728751018
>Israel was a mistake.

Your face was a mistake, and probably you have a lot more obstacles in life than this board. I can't make you get an education, or wave my magic "be smart" wand. Go die or something.

If you really want to improve the world around you consider an hero.

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>>728736982
Seems like a waste of money that's only really going to hinder the lowest of the lowlifes trying to sneak into the country whereas members of various crime families and the cartel with both money and connections here in the US will still have ways to get in as they come up with new methods of getting their products in the US. Realistically, we lay see a slight drop in crime and illegals for a short time, but they'll just find new ways in. Mexico just needs to get it's shit together.

>>728750930
Oh shit, it probably is him as a child

>>728751111
Quads of purpose - any improvement will help, and illegal immigration is at its lowest in years because of trump, which is nice.

>>728751245
Their president was actually considering making jobs in mexico a priority, since he knew Trumps stance on illegal immigration.

I think it's good, if they can create jobs for their own people too.

>>728751179
Judaism was a mistake. That better for you? Anyone who willfully supports anti-intellectual trite, is a mental degenerate. Shit attracts flies after all

At least it isn't nearly as trash as Islam, and Israel itself isn't nearrrrrly as degenerate as Islamic cities.

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we won't see it, Trump resigned, it's all over the news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVlYNioeXNY

>>728751441
No dipshit. Israel helps the whole world, you're simply ignorant.

If they could they would simply live in peace among their neighbors and build up their high tech sector, instead they have spend a shit ton of money just to protect against attack.