/b liberals, why do you go on 4chan? Honestly curious

Degrading bump

They found our edgy sekrit club on reddit and decided to stay and fuck it.up

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This is why i asked the question. 4chan is the one place where lefty religion is not shoved down my throat. If /b becomes corrupted i will have no place to go.

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I used to be more left leaning a few years back. I came to 4chan out of curiosity and ended up staying, Personally I don't really care about what somebodies political stance is as long as you're able to talk about it without the butthurt feelings. It makes me ashamed to see so man liberals like that today.

Since then I lean more right which i never thought would happen but whatever

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I'm a socialist, I've been coming here since 2008. Mostly because it was funny then. It's not so funny now, but there's still the occasional gem of a thread.

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Ive had intellectual conversations on 4chan before, but i sourta lost my patience over the web. In person im all about it, but i dont think there is a purpose to push their motives on a mostly right leaning site.

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>>728255163
cute anime girls

>>728255731
What caused you to be more right leaning?

>>728256121
yeah i agree. i used to try and persuade people on politics but it never ends well. all you can do is agree to disagree and end it there

>>728256233
a cute

>>728256323
the only time I've ever seen anyone convince another person of anything on 4chan was on /sci/ about 7 years ago

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>>728255163
Same reason as you, faggot.

>>728255546
Go to h8 chon OP. They are majority righties over there. It's kind of slow but it's better than this shit hole

>>728256302
I'm honesty not really sure. I guess i somewhat got sick of liberal ideology putting feelings first along with censorship. I still don't agree with a lot of right wing policies (such as abortions) so i think being in between is best. My way of thinking is "let me do whatever I want and you can do whatever the fuck you want as long as it doesnt affect me"

>>728256439
what was it specifically about?

>>728256480
Thank you for this

>>728256636
ll check it out. If its too alt right i wont like it. Not a fan f the alt right too much

>>728255163
4chan is a liberal mecca and it's existence is wholly anti-conservative. As such, I always consider the "right wingers" on 4chan to be trolls(OP for instance) of no political or moral affiliation who are simply get off on irritating people. I'm sure there are a few actual conservatives on 4chan that are too dumb to realize what is going on but you could say that about most sites.

>>728255163
In 1 thread a couple days back i won numerous debates and now im proud of myself forever

>>728256661
Sounds a bit more libertarian to me. I consider myself conservative with libertarian values.

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>>728256881
you have a lot to learn newfag

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>>728255163
I may be a liberal but I am NOT an SJW, and I despise them. Months ago I was pretty liberal and I still am when it comes to the environment but ISIS and the bombings and terror attacks are bringing me far to the right. I am starting to get redpilled. Even as a liberal I thought I wouldn't care about gay, trans, or whatever but there aren't 80000000 fucking genders. Another thing for me is I do not have a problem about gay people. Only the ones that feel entitled and are stereotypical make me want to shove their teeth down their throats, same goes for all of the SJWs and gendertards in general. I also like calling people niggers, and racism, anti-semitism and anything of the likes is fuckin funny.

>>728256881
Regardless, the simple fact that they troll the way they do contradicts their liberal beliefs (if they really are liberal) which is good enough>>728256881
for me. A true liberal wouldnt dare say 10% of the things said on 4chan, nor would conservatives. I >>728256881
consider this site alt right which im not a fan of personally but its better than reddit or imgur or any of the other ones that upvotes any circle jerk around hating my kind. I hate GOP but i can never stand for left winging liberals.

>>728256661
you are a liberal, small l. the problem is Liberals™, big L, which seem to be globalist sellouts mascaraing as liberals when their truly globalist authoritarians.

>>728256722
it was a thread about physical adaptations of animals, conversation shifted to what adaptation other than our intelligence do humans as an animal have , the answer was that humans are long distance runners with almost no other animal being able to run as far without rest as us(early humans literally chasing their prey to death), some guy became skeptical in the thread he was shown the evidence, then accepted it.
I have literally never seen that happen on 4chan again, where someone was presented with evidence and accepted it rather than doubling down.

>>728257142
I also don't like that liberals nowadays are such whiny bitches

>>728256991
sounds like you are high of (you) well
sadly it's a high carcinogenic substance

>>728257307
it happens often enough desu

>>728256998
yeah you are right, i would consider myself libertarian than conservative. have any examples of your libertarian values that arent conservative?

4chan is the journal of the world, however fucked up. Any opinion goes and there are no upvotes to give arguments false validity.

>>728256881
ted kaczynski made an observation about left wingers in his time that most of them joined political movements not out of genuine belief in them but as a form of socializing, like joining a fraternity or rooting for a sports team,
to be honest the people here seem like the right wing equivalent to that.

>>728257142
You know most right wingers dont care about any of that stuff either, right? We only care when it starts affecting our liberty i.e. forces to cater a gay wedding if against our religion (not me personally) tells a 9 year old girl she can be a boy if she wants, etc.

You should look up the documentary "the red pill"

The reason why i hate leftists so much is because their beliefs contradict eachother too much. There is really only emotion and no logic behind their arguments.

"the fascists of the future will call themselves the anti fascists" - Winston Churchill

>>728257187
>I consider this site alt right
Really? I see it as completely and absolutely liberal in it's underlying foundation. The idea of posting whatever you want while remaining anonymous is incredibly liberal. Even the content (most of which is garbage) is very liberal: stoner threads, wwyd threads, rekt threads, gore threads, nude girl threads, etc. Where is the conservatism? Saying you support Trump and that you hate liberals does not make you a conservative or a member of the alt-right. It is your actions that define who you are and being on 4chan and the internet is general is rather anti-conservative.

>>728257696
>tells a 9 year old girl she can be a boy if she wants
and uh how does that affect your liberty?

>>728257521
Yes, an isolationist foreign policy. Not wanting to get involved in wars or pretty much a lot of foreign affairs at all.

Abortion is a common one.

Ending the war on drugs and decriminalizing all drugs (although i as well as a few other conservatives identify with this.)

>>728257696
>Churchill
I wonder if that fat piece of shit would regret his decisions if he saw Great Britain (and the West) now.

>>728257788
I really dont think any of that fall under liberal or conservative to be honest

>>728256881
Da newest fag.

>>728257788
I would disagree that alt right can be conservative. Alt right do not agree on A LOT of conservative values. Alt right displays liberal tactics with republican underlining view. Republican =/= conservative either. Conservative is value based, republican is political based. Alt right is edgy political tactics who take everything a bit far.

>>728257603
Same can be said of the far right. People in the middle tend to be so for more honest reasons. Moderates. On the other hand there are some true believers on both far wings. It's like religion. Some people are Republicans because their parents are. They fully buy into the propaganda. These are the folks who sent global warming and evolution.

I'm not sure. i was raised in a FAR left town, given a left-wing education, essentially sheltered from conservative views all my life and those i did encounter were demonized by everyone. Nothing about this website should appeal to me, at least not on paper. i COULD say it's me rebelling against my parents for raising me that way, but i know that's not true and it's also a retarded thing to say.

I guess it's the fact that everyone here is comfortable in their own skin. Anonymity has pulled back a veil for me and shown me a place where you can say weird shit, have different opinions, and not worry about being shamed.

I don't want to be on 4chan too constantly. Nor will I be on here forever. Just long enough for me to grow thicker skin. Once I've expressed my honest opinion on here enough to the point that it's second nature, I'll be able to apply that to the real world and I think it'll make me a better person... or perhaps just an asshole in SJW's eyes, but whatever

The right is brainwashed by trend right media, left is brainwashed by sjw trend media. Open your eyes dont pick a side, the intelligent ones are kekking while kids interpret their words as fact and spread it to the far reaches. Irony is new religion, 4chan is mecca, you either know it or you dont.

>>728258074
>Same can be said of the far right.
that was my point

>>728258109
FUCKING TRUTH BOMB BITCH

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>>728255163
This photo is fucking retarded and my braincell count has been divided in half

>>728257869
Then you need to obtain a better understanding of what liberalism and conservatism are.

>>728255163
Cause I want to honey.

>>728257821
yeah i agree on all those points although I think problems such as isis should have UN military backing. however i can see how this might cause problems already.

the only problem i personally have with conservatives is the lack of freedom along with the religious stuff they present tbh

>>728257812
That was an outlier, but i do feel it was an important point. In San Fransisco they have already started teaching kids about transgenderism history and such. The radicalization of schools have been incredibly biased and its gotten to the point where kids arent being taught how to critically come up with their own opinion but theyre sourtve indoctrinated to an extent imo. Plus telling a kid they can be any gender will only confuse them and generations to come. They arent old enough to know what they want and they dont have the decision making skills to make mature decisions. In that sense, it does take some liberty away from them. Youre stripping them from their innocence and imposing an ideal that can change their life forever where they might have not even thought about it once on their own.

>>728258294
political ideologies or something
not everything politcal though.

>>728258109
this is so correct. both sides have red pilled themselves to retardation at this point. sitting back and watching the world burn is where its at right now

i'm an SJW. I come on here to read comments from stupid people who think they're the only ones who truly get how the world works.

>>728258346
I agree, I believe that in order to make a political decision based on religion, you will need to make a secular one as well. GOP is not good at articulating theirs, but i think for most of their "older" policies there is a good secular argument for them. I dont care about what they say but i care more about what they do. I know thats a taboo way of looking at politics, but logically it makes more sense than the contrary (where liberals care more about what they say and not what they do)

>>728258358
>where kids arent being taught how to critically come up with their own opinion but theyre sourtve indoctrinated to an extent imo.
that has never not been true

>>728258687
Not in your lifetime it hasnt. Believe it or not thats what school used to be. I was lucky enough to attend 3 different highschools. At my last school this was the whole curriculum (defending arguments you dont agree with to find the logic in the other side and seeing if its justifiable or not, group discussions about controversal topics, reports about older books which are now banned because of the word nigger in a lot of county public schools,etc)

I'm a leftist. I like anime and being anonymous. been on most every day since 2008

>>728258621
yeah i agree. i think all politicians will say something to keep the population happy but actions is a better judgment. its just hard to vote on somebody if all you know about them are what they say as opposed to their actions which have yet to be determined

>>728255163
I will tell you why I am not coming here: To read posts by people who cant communicate anything marginally interesting, people who feel the need to spread their uninformed worldviews, people who dont have anything to say but repeat the same shit again and again.

Hooo conservas goood moo hoo.
Liberals baaad hook hooo mooo.
Trump oooo moooh eeeeh.

Including this retarded thread of yours, again and again just sorting people into "great superior ME" versus liberals. This just shows you are unable to think in nuanced manner, having two repetitive and misunderstood categories.

>>728257869
you should learn what words mean

>>728258370
retard

>>728255546
you're wrong. that's long been here too. everything is here, genius.

we're all here because we have one thing in common - our secret sexual fetishes.

>>728259047
Yea, i honesty believe as a conservatism that part of the problem is having a bigger government. In simplified terms bigger govt = more people = less responsibility/blam = more corruption. I believe if we had a smaller govt it would be easier to keep in check and less people would have less opportunity to fuck things up. A smaller govt is easier to control by the people and less likely to go rogue.. imo

>>728255973
Being a socialist was never funny.
You take from other people to survive.

>>728257788
You could find equally many "regular threads" and argue the site can't possibly be progressive or liberal. Further I would argue most board culture on the site KS far more hostile to your modern dems than conservatives (you think the thought police appreciate hoe everything is suffixed with fag?).

you've been brainwashed into thinking this false dichotomy exhausts the political spectrum, and you couldn't be more wrong.

>>728259281
without an adequately large bureaucracy nobody is accountable for anything

>>728259281
i see your logic but in what ways would you make a government smaller?

you better not reply with "lets have a one party state" kek

>>728259118
kek
The whole point of this thread is the exact opposite of what youre claiming me to be.. This appears to be a predominatly alt right website. I know when i go on reddit/imgur i get frustrated about all the politics on there. So im curious as to why they would go on a website thats always "hooo conservatives good moo hoo Liberals baaad hook hooo mooo"

>>728258563
anyone who's picked a side inevitably deludes themselves into thinking that they truly get how the world works

come join us on the fence, we can agree and disagree with shit from both sides and laugh at others' autistic screeching

>>728259320
humans are social animals, every sane person on the planet takes from other people to survive.

>>728257812
Research Cultural Marxism, and how it destroys all ethnic, religious, gender and racial identity to achieve "equality". This is the main weapon of neoliberals, anarchists, and commies today in the states. Anders Breivik, disregarding his crime, wrote a great manifest on the topic that is easily available on the web as a PDF

Mostly porn, but some threads are funny and others are interesting so I stick around sometimes

>>728258370
>political ideologies or something
Liberalism and conservatism have nothing to do with politics. They are labels given to people who fall into either category.
A liberal is someone who believes in the advancements in all aspects for life be it science, art, entertainment, government, or ideologies. A liberal looks at the past and present, identifies perceived problems, and tries to make the future "better"
A conservative is someone who believes that these aspects of life should not advance and instead remain how they are. An analogy to this would be the quote "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". A conservative believes it doesn't matter how things got the way they are or how they are going to be in the future. They are concerned with the present and maintaining status quo.
This is why many old people identify as conservative: they don't have long left on this planet so they simply don't care about the future. And why many young people identify as liberal: they are thinking of their lives down the road. This also explains why many people go from liberal to conservative over the course of their life.

>>728259570
In short, sometimes, it is still possible to find an interesting thread here. However, the prevalent repetitiveness and thoughtlessness makes me visit less and less.

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>>728255163
It's posts like these that really make me depressed, reminding me that cycle after cycle of newfags have flooded 4chan so often that now the 4chan of old is virtually dead, where somehow people think 4chan has always being the safe space of edgy right wingers.

Fuck I miss my apolitical shithole of yesteryear.

>>728259953
>A conservative is someone who believes that these aspects of life should not advance and instead remain how they are. An analogy to this would be the quote "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". A conservative believes it doesn't matter how things got the way they are or how they are going to be in the future. They are concerned with the present and maintaining status quo.
but then that means reactionaries are actually liberals.

>>728259856
when you lose your mind will you please kill Chelsea Clinton. I hate her at least as much as you, but from the left.

>>728260065
no, it means you don't know what reactionary means either

>>728259856
and what does that have to do with liberty?

>>728259856
This. Also the Frankfurt School and critical theory while you're at it.

I love how progressives claim to be the champions of science, until it makes a claim that doesn't align with their ideology. If you want to see how batshit crazy feminism cultural marxism are, look up "the science wars" and "intellectual impostors". Dawkins has a pretty good review of the latter here

http://www.physics.nyu.edu/sokal/dawkins.html

>>728259547
Nah, i wouldnt. I think a lot of the government entities are far too big for their lesser importance. EPA, Dept of Education ( before anyone says i dont think we should have schools.. the best schools in the country are private schools.. at all levels. When you create incentive for people, its forced to turn out better .. govt has no incentive. They make the same dime, have job security, and lack risk) and a few others. These departments overlap and politicize too much for their own good. It creates a power bubble where the people in charge of these departments have an ulterior motive (more funding, more and more resources, influence.. and theyre never satisfied)

On my point about the market doing a better job than the govt.. its been true in every case. Before Fedex and UPS, USPS was a terrible delivery service. Packages would get lost all the time, youd recieve mail a month- a few months too late a lot more often, and it was going brankrupt. Ordinary people have their money to risk.. When they create business its all about eficiency. USPS was forced to improve their service.

This is true also with the first railroads being built in the US. The govt hired contractors and paid them per mile for railroads they built. Well.. that created an incentive to find a route that gave the contracting group more mileage which = more money. Project lasted years and it was an utter failure and waste of money In come Vanderbuilt with his own damn money and started a whol new project and created railroads of his time. Theres a good video on this on youtube.

>>728259570
It was not always like this. I guess I return out of nostalgia, hoping to avoid as much politically opiniated, but heavily ill-thought threads as possible.

>>728260065
I would disagree.. Because conservatives deont want anything to change, liberals are the first ones to make a move. Look at the past few years as an example. Conservatives are always in the defensive

>>728259547
This may be the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xg4Uq1W4L8

Good channel btw, i recommend loking at some more videos. Youll disagree with some but i think youll enjoy more

>>728260309
if private contractors are so much better than the government how come almost every major leak has come from a government contracted company?

>>728260309
>Before Fedex and UPS, USPS was a terrible delivery service. Packages would get lost all the time, youd recieve mail a month- a few months too late a lot more often, and it was going brankrupt.
none of that is true. service has improved because computers and airplanes, not competition.

>>728259570
Yet, as you can see, the people in the thread cant help themselves but start shitting out their political opinions, disregarding the initial theme.

>>728255163
Because I loathe echochambers, and I don't really see the point in using forums where people just reinforce each others opinions all day.

>>728260309
>far too big for their lesser importance. EPA
nothing is more important to the survival of humanity than the state of the environment.

>>728260616
First of all private contractors are hired and paid by the government. I dont think theyre better. I was actually implying the opposite. Also intel is not a business, its an aspect of politics. Leaks have incredible political influence and as i said before usulaly has ulterior motives. Also when someone leaks something that has nothing to do with the contractor. Thats someones personal ideology and its imposed because of that, not because of the companies motives or objective. A contractor hired by the government would definitely not want that on their track record. Also Intel is not a materialistic good.

>>728260309
>the best schools in the country are private schools
the more expensive thing is better? why, it must be because the people who work there don't have good jobs.

>>728259618
Are they satisfied with the compensation they receive?
Socialists did not fairly compensate when the they've nationalized a particular industry or service.

>>728260900
Well i cant argue with your own personal facts. Youll either research it or believe that competition has no effect on businesses. Its not worth pursuing that conversation if youre so sure of yourself. Just look into it please and if you still believe what you do, so be it. It seems we have a fundemental different opinion on how the market works

>>728261161
What do you think would happen if schools were treated as a business? They would seek the best teachers and lowest prices.. just like any other business you see on yelp. Also im not saying all schools should be private. I believe it should be up to local countys and cities to do whats best for their community, not the federal govt who knows jack shit about your neighborhood nor cares about it.

>>728260987
haha yea

>>728261523
>What do you think would happen if schools were treated as a business?
a fairly large for profit trade school system collapsed in the us fairly recently, you tell me

>>728260309
>>728260581
holy shit i never thought about it like that but you're right. and yeah ive come across that channel before and i do agree and disagree on some of their videos. i remember i really disagreed with the israel video that put out

>>728261810
Care to elaborate?

>>728261523
>not the federal govt who knows jack shit about your neighborhood nor cares about it.
You sure do seem like you know what you're talking about, anon. You should run for office and fix everything!

Or maybe just keep shitpostin on /b/ and hope it catches on, I dunno

>>728262111
Nice trips man. Not sure if youre being sarcastic or not but i would be more corrupted by being in the political spotlight and knowing what really goes on behind the doors than i do on /b probably kek

>>728261901
Glad ya liked the video. Sounds like you agree on the economics but maybe not the social policies. That channel is still good for the economic side of things.

>>728262454
Yeah, I was being sarcastic. Too many do-nothings think they have everything figured out these days.

>>728261523
>What do you think would happen if schools were treated as a business?
I'm from texas, I know, kids get piss poor educations.

>>728263091
well to be fair i am leaning towards a law degree when i go to uni (currently in the military). So its kind of relevant in terms of learning about the system and dissecting how things work

>>728261257
>Well i cant argue with your own personal facts.
no, you can't argue with the facts I stated. you don't seem to know what a market is or does

>>728263244
Im from LA which (LAUSD is the school county) which is actually the one of the top worst school county in the nation consistently so if i take your word for it you can take mine that all this crap govt intervention doesnt work. Whats your plan to fix it?

>>728262532
yeah i will admit the right have a much better understanding of economics than the left do. for social stances i feel like the right is too authoritarian for my liking. If somebody wants to have an abortion, let them. if they wanna suck a trans nigger dick in their own home, let them. i couldnt care less about that

>>728255163
Funny and a pretty good place for memes, also I like having my views tested

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>>728255163
>proclaims self republican
>post image shitting on and not understanding women
>surprises no one

>>728263413
No i could argue you and say things like "wheres your source? Thats all speculation" but i wont because i wont get in a debate over 4chan. The comments ive replied to have asked me why i think the way i do, they didnt bait me nor did they try to fight.

>>728257082
no he doesn't

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>>728262089
[Woooosh intensifies]

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>>728261523
>What do you think would happen if schools were treated as a business?
then some significant portion of the population would not receive it.

>>728263347
Well, if you're the one who was making broad generalizations about cuts to various Gov. programs earlier, you'd be well-advised to analyze what, exactly, is being cut, and then break down the implications of those cuts -- especially regarding agencies like the EPA.

And the whole "reduce government" mantra that conservatives like to tout is all well and good until they realize that corporations tend to do shady shit when left to their own devices.

>>728264272
never said i dont think free public schools should exist. I said in my other comments they should, but as the check of the local countys, not the federal govt who "doesnt give two shits about nor do they care" if i quoted myself correctly

>>728255163
because I don't take myself seriously.

>>728255163
>implying 4chan is a conservative site
Kek.

>>728264543
How is it not lmao

>>728255163
I mostly post on /tg/, /vg/ and /his/.
/b/ just happens to be somewhere to kill time while I wait for other threads to move.
It's also pretty decent practice for not getting annoyed at what other people say.

>>728264947
>Who is this hacker "4chan"?
>exploding stock van
>group of hackers calling themselves "Anonymous"
Besides, what would conservatives want with a Vietnamese basket-weaving forum in the first place?