What the fuck is wrong with employers god fucking dammit, if

Germany ? xD

>>728208309

So you're aware that you suck balls, have aggressive tendencies and wonder why employers, who are not obligated to do anything for you, are not telling you to your face that they are not hiring you?

>>728208309

Country? Welcome to the 21st century bro, be thankful they didnt say 'yes but we will only give you 20 hours a week and then someone else 20 hours a week, i.e. split 1 persons job between 2 people and your still expected to live and pay all your taxes'.

>>728208410

But that's literally what the EU is doing across Europe.

>>728208397
I am angry because they think that only they are busy or that only their time is precious like I don't hate shitty obligations or a family that needs food and a roof above their heads.. I hate being taken for granted fuck those guys.

>>728208410
Greece. I will propably work as waiter I guess but the hours suck. 4 hours in the morning and 4 hours at night with a 4 hour "break" inbetween. Fuck this shit.

>>728208676

But you literally have no position to complain from. The employer offers access to wealth. You can offer your services, but there's no obligation on their side to even hear you out or invite you. If you had a skill set which the business needed, and they approached you, you would have the power in that relationship. But right now, you have no leverage. Increase your value or move on.

What's stopping you from applying to 20 jobs in a row and pick the ones that do want you and offer the best conditions? Why not start your own business?

>>728208676
>I hate being taken for granted fuck those guys.

Except you are disposable to a company. They could honestly care less about you or what you have going on... You would need to actually have value in order to be taken for granted

>>728208957
>What's stopping you from applying to 20 jobs in a row and pick the ones that do want you and offer the best conditions? Why not start your own business?

He lives in Greece. His job prospects are basically be a waiter/diswasher, be a fisherman, or beg for change on the street.

Starting a business in Greece is about as practical as starting a business in the Congo

>>728209270

Well yeah, because it's a socialist country where people stop working at age 52 and 60% of the population worked for the state. I'm just trying to get some economics into the minds of everyone.

>>728208309
In my country we have a "job coach" who will go with you to jobs that he found out and been contacted about ( its for autistics)
found a desk job that is mostly been done by females but he was sure that they wouldnt mind me for 99% !
convo went very very good as i am still very charming ( no m`lady or meming by the way)

i knew the bosses mom who works there, Had cancer, and wished her well ( since i was going to assist her)

the boss emails me ( not call) to tell me that her mom is having something with her cancer, so i can not be hired

2 days later ( convo was monday, email wednesday, so friday now) my jobcoach tells me that they hired his female client....

other time he had the perfect administration job for me aswell, convo went good, ofcourse 3 days later i get emailed, saying that they went bankrupt ( fuckup 2)

fuckup 3 happend when he whined and bawwed about me not biking to my job, And that his contract was gonna run out soon, and he could fuck me up by not renewing it and force ( by judge) me to work there, or else i would lose my benefits completely


..
fucking cunt did this via text...... reported his ass and he got fired, he is working for a different com now with same number, I might 3 times fuck him up aswell

sorry for bad english, im on medication and english is my second language.

>>728208957
Did I demand to get hired? NO. All I want is a clear response.
When they give me a "workplacetour" and say that "you will be fine here with us" what should I think? "Great they want me here, nice , sweet, excellent, great, amazing." But no, not only they gave faulse hopes and promises, when I called them to arrange the final hiring papers they said " call us tomorrow we are busy today" and so on for a whole fucking week.

>what is stopping you from applying to 20 jobs?

That there are no jobs.

>>728209535

Are you Dutch? I know many similar stories from Dutch people, where 45% of the population now lives in poverty thanks to the wonders of socialism and open borders.

>>728209710
Yes i am dutch, sorry for being a disgrace atm with text and stuff, ironicly this is my favorite social outlet right now

happend at van der velden ( for name and shame) in the village of Boxtel Northern Brabant, We live in poverty, Dont forget that some people might earn 1200 in benefits, but still rent is 600 + 125 manditory monthly medical bill ( all dutch citizens have to pay healthcare pass, in order to have acces to healthcare srs)

i myself only have about 300 EU left at the end of the month, i am glad i can make some good recipes ( grilled cheese with lil sausages) and other food, Turkish bread ( big round ones) are only 80 cents here and it feeds me for 3 days with the right spreads on it

might went on a lil vent but still.. Haha.

>>728209686

So you're saying there is a lot of competition for the jobs? Honestly, you should just learn a trade and start producing yourself. Plenty of opportunity now that people have no money for name brand stuff.

>>728209973
end of the month = after bills and tax.

Americucks in this thread are blaming socialism for greece's condition but are to scared to blame their precious capitalism when they pay 40.000$ for a hip replacement are a finishing college with 120.000$ dept.

>>728209973

You should go to /pol/, there's Dutch politics threads there all the time and plenty of explanation about what is going on and how to circumvent all this.

I'm self employed right now, working on a big application and honestly I'd be happy to have 300 euro at the end of the month. This is the problem with socialism, if you make any kind money you get robbed by the government.

>>728210021
A lot of competition for pennys. Maybe /b/ is right. Wagecucks like me should kill ourselfs.

>>728210243

No, you should avoid taxes and actually produce things that can't be traced easily. People still need software, furniture, food etc.

>>728210224
>I'm self employed right now, working on a big application and honestly I'd be happy to have 300 euro at the end of the month. This is the problem with socialism, if you make any kind money you get robbed by the government.
Tell that to adherents of Western Liberalism.

>>728210115

Capitalism is voluntary exchange. You're free not to replace your failing hip of course. I don't see why someone else should be forced to pay under threat of force to pay for your new hip.

The colleges are massively overcharging for education because the government has said loans can't be defaulted on and are covered by the government. Education is a billion dollar industry as a result, with shitty return on investment.

>>728208790
LMAO, sorry bruv. this is why we're leaving you cunts behind. I suggest you do it too.

>>728210344

Let's just call them what they are, Communists. Communism killed in excess of 250 million people already, I don't see the need to continue this experiment.

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>>728210115
Capitalism is the American national religion. And nobody is more religious than Americans.

>>728210115
>blaming things
Naw, nigga, I'm blaming peoples stupidity and dumbdumb Americans who don't shop around to get the surgery done for leas. Place might even have gov subsidies of the operation on THAT countries tax-paying dime, because socialism ... cuz that's how capitalism works, you find the cheapest, safest, means of getting what you want and fuck over the other guy. Nothing wrong with that other than it may sound dickish, and who cares if you offend someone else so long as ya didn't break a law.

>>728210511
>libruls r communists

Your lack of education is showing.

>>728210691

Ah yes, I need more liberal (((education))) so you don't need to make arguments. Communism killed over 250 million people, this is fact. Liberals want socialism. Socialism inevitably fails, which leads to doubling down on socialism, which leads to communism which is absolute government control of everything.

Socialism is the means to get communism installed. Everyone already knows it, we've seen this happen multiple times throughout history now. Therefore, there's functionally NO DIFFERENCE between a communist and a socialist. Socialism is the economic system, communism is the political system that must inevitably follow in order to keep socialism running.

>>728210224
I frequent there too man!
But benefits = benefits, I am eating, the rest of the money that i would get more from is a job, but we will see how it goes.

Imagine having to serve food to people who enjoy your country's riches while you work like a dog and while listening from them that you owe them money. Welcome to greece enjoy your stay.

>>728210511
Dude, what does Communists have to do with what that guy said? He was bitching about socialism and the other guy came back with, "but the west thinks it's a good idea". Explain thyself, stranger.

>>728211172
To clarify, I mean one group within the west.

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>>728210931
Nope, lack of education still showing. Your responses reveal you to be a brainwashed reactionary allahu akbar. Try not to bomb an abortion clinic on your way out.

>>728210931
So, do you think socialism is bad then?

>>728211304
I'm going with, one isn't activity going on a holy war, b/c they already did that, while the other is. Explain how they're not different. Like, other than how both pics look like either could be militant ... tho the girl on the left doesn't look as well equipped

>>728211304
1. Trigger discipline
2. the girl on the left is just trying to piss people off, the girl on the right is either A.) fighting real life oppression not the kind made up in liberal fantasy land, or B.) is following the word in her book to kill those deemed infidels.

>>728211172
>>728211250

Just clarifying the terms and who we're talking about. There's no such thing as Western Liberals or neo-liberals or liberals in general. They are communists. Most of them think stealing is a-ok. Need something? Just take it by force. That's socialism. Now, a sane government would look at robbery and see that this is no way to run a civilization, BUT women and dumb people in general only look at the outcomes of things so they'll vote for whoever promises them the most wealth stolen from others. This then creates a competition for who offers the most things to these people, which means the state needs to grab more power/control over decision making. This in turn leads to a totalitarian state where the people no longer belong to themselves and are now property of the state. This is communism.

Productive people flee, now you only have the unproductive left and guess what, they don't produce anything so the government can no longer give them the means of production.

Case in point, there are bakers in Venezuela right now being arrested for baking goods other than bread, while they are private businesses. This is a direct result of the government nationalizing the farms that used to produce the grain. What incentive does a farmer have to produce grain when the means of production, his grain and his money, are property of the state? He'll produce exactly enough not to get shot or just quit being a farmer altogether. Same with doctors and socialized healthcare.

>>728211411

It is pure undiluted evil.

>>728211304

Not an argument. As for your picture, America's guns were meant for self defense against a government that oversteps its bounds, while Islam uses guns to install such governments.

>>728211702
Or C. acting ... but I doubt it.
Could be doing lots of things, most of which aren't likely.

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>>728211702
>the girl on the left is just trying to piss people off
>hahaha
>it was just a prank BRO

Do americans pay taxes? What is their goverment giving them in return? Big mac's and guns?

>>728211762
>America's guns were meant for self defense against a government that oversteps its bounds, while Islam uses guns to install such governments
>ITS OK
>WE'RE THE GOOD GUYS
>HERP DE DERP

>>728211762
Cool, tbh tho I felt like you had already answered that for me in a follow up post that I hadn't read yet. We're on the same page, generally speaking.

>>728209457
>I'm just trying to get some economics into the minds of everyone.
>tells a man to start a business when he obviously has no money to start one

>>728208397
I love how you're pretending this is the reason.
When it happened to everyone who applied except one..

His point is an actual rejection wouldn't be that hard, you know confirmation so anon can do something productive instead like look for work elsewhere. Instead of showing further interest with a follow up and wasting everyone's fucking time.

Nice logic faggot.

>>728209457
Hi Mr. Economist

So you think...that people stopping working at 52 is keeping the OP from getting a job?

>>728212011

I think the massive taxes on hiring people in the free market to pay for those pensions and that massive government, will in fact deter potential employers from hiring a lot of people which decreases the size of the job market, yes.

>>728212011
Well it has to be something besides capitalism being an inherently flawed system. Jesus invented capitalism to reward virtuous white people's hard work. That's why throat-slitting greed is human nature.

>>728212011
No he's saying he massive recession and a lack of modern state positions to be had..

Use context and read between the lines, stop trying to be a smart ass, you aren't clever enough

>>728211967

What is "the reason" I am pretending to position myself behind?

All I'm saying is that the employers have no obligation to humor you in any way. I'm not saying that's a smart thing to do as it creates negative feedback in the populace to treat workers or potential workers like shit. I'm just saying they don't owe you anything and you don't owe them anything.

>>728211967
Dif anon and you've got a point but why doesn't the guy change tactics? Obviously he's annoyes with the way he's trying to get a job, and there are "other ways" of getting a job ... like just putting in bulk applications all over the place and hoping someone will call you. Then you've wasted no additional time pursuing jobs that you won't get. Don't know what the other guy was getting at.

Why does paying taxes for healthcare and education seems so difficult to you you faggots? Do you like watching corporations get richer by exploiting your pain and sickness? If you want to be dominated by old faggots just dress like some jap school sluts and let them spank you, you fucking idiots.

>>728211953

You don't need money to start a business, just skills. You can get second hand tools almost anywhere where there is a recycling center. Then you just need the skills and and some waste material to start making things.

Or, since there's already access to electronics, learn how to program or download books to learn actual skills. Plenty of ways to improve your value as a potential employee, it's just downright lazy and entitled to say everyone deserves a job because they exist. Work with what you have, stop thinking about what isn't possible.

>>728212233
I understand the point, but yes you pretending that the employers aren't rejecting him to his face has something to do with his "aggressive tendencies"

It's bullshit.

They didn't hire him because he wasn't good enough.
They do t want to make a system that's accomodating or actually works because it supports so many middle management wankers.

Seriously given that 90 percent of resumes are read and rejected or accepted by a computer, a forwarded rejection notification wouldn't be hard.

If it's so effective why are all the wankers still there doing nothing now the systems are automated?

>>728212413
>you don't need money to start a business

AHMMM ARE YOU RETARDO FAGGOTO?

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>>728208790
Isn't this the "relaxed" kind of schedule all you euro faggots brag about all the time? Why is it any surprise you're fucking poor when you have a 4 hour "nap break" in the afternoon?

kek, fucking idiots i swear

>>728212413
I understand your point. But how much are the second hand tools?

How much is it to start a service or business properly licenced?
Where is your premises?
are you paying tax for your service or product?

Fuck off noob

>>728212144
HOLY SHIT
>Jesus invented capitalism
I NEES TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN!
Or just continue using a system that forces you to compete, unfortunately with our current system it has become very self-serving and self-protecting. I like to think the US gov is in bed with the corporations but I don't really have hard proof of that, sure as fuck see it tho.

>>728212564
No it's called split shifts.
The whole world does it for shit jobs like hospitality except places that pay with tips.

>>728212564
>4 hour nap break
I dare you to try it. Come and try. Pls.

>>728212564
The 4 hour break is typical of restaurant jobs. People come at 12 and 6 you dont need a bunch of servers in between.

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>>728212656
Competition is what drives innovation and progress, not some intrinsic need to give everybody a hug or for everyone to be a 'winner', you fucking fairy.

>>728212480

Well, all I have to go on is the original post where OP demonstrated said behavior. The sucking part was a quip aimed at employers repeatedly not hiring him, which means he must be doing worse than the people who do get hired. When this happens consistently, it's time to start wondering about how you can improve yourself to get that job.

He has every right to get angry when employers aren't clear with him, since it denies him the opportunity to learn what was wrong with him in relation to the job he was applying to.

I mean, if I apply to the job of heart surgeon, I'm going to get rejected because I have no experience or training as a heart surgeon. That much is obvious. The employer could have chosen to not be a massive cock and give the man some criticism and clarity, but again no obligation anywhere to do that. All I'm trying to say in the end is stop blaming external factors for all your problems and try to improve what you can improve.

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>>728208676
>I am angry because they think that only they are busy

They don't think you're not busy. They don't know and don't care whether you're busy or not. And don't expect to be informed if it's a shit job - not being informed is part of it being a shit job.

>>728212816
lmao progress to where? for what purpose?

>>728212633

Well, I started off by helping people with computer problems while learning how to program and design software. I now run a small business that designs and makes android applications aimed at automating parts of paper business processes.

I didn't need anything to make money other than my knowledge of computers to make money, since the customers owned the hardware.

This is all I'm trying to say, stop trying to look at what you can't do and focus on what you CAN do.

>>728212486
Hi pot, this is kettle. Anon has a point, tho it relys on some luck. Most business ventures so required start-up cash but there are some where all you have to do is get the idea out and if its picked up, you get the cash. The chances of someone starting a business with no money is slim next to none but it's possible. You just gotta have something that people are gonna want.

The economy exists to support society, not the other way around

>>728213077
On top of that, there are some business ventures that don't require much start-up funding. Lawn service comes to mind, granted you'll need a truck, some equipment, gas, and insurance but it's not that much.

>>728212816
>Innovation and progress
Do you by any chance mean getting fucking richer by exploiting cheap labor?

>>728210511
/pol it is that way ---------->

It's a nice safe space where you don't have to worry about the mean ol liberals being mean to you.

>>728210931
/pol is that way snowflake ------------>

OMG, a rational discussion w/minimum name calling/logical fallacies.
who knew?

>>728213079
You sure it isn't a give and take relationship? Society exists to support economics and economics exist to suppoet society. One allows the other to create an abstract value system that most everyone within the society agrees upon and that society needs to carefully control its economic system because of it's fragility.

>>728212486
>>728213077
>>728213237

Exactly, whenever I say business I get the idea that people think I mean multi-billion dollar corporation. Hell, you could make a business out of sweeping driveways or plucking out weeds with your bare hands. It's not fun, but it's a way to generate income and when the alternative is starvation, pickings are slim.

>>728213079

What is society? What is economics? Are these people that have obligations?

>>728211967
>Applying to one place and waiting to see if they respond before applying to any other places

People don't actually do this, do they? Just fuckin apply everywhere you want. If you never get called, so what. If you do, then take an offer if you like. It's not rocket science.

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>>728211680
Actually, they didn't go to America until after America set up military bases in their countries. General Washington told you to avoid foreign entanglements. Don't come crying to me like a little bitch because you didn't listen.

>>728213387
>>728213435

Ah yes, lightly brushing off the death of 250 million people always makes you look like a real winner. Good argument komrad! I'm sure implementing the exact same system in the Western world won't have negative consequences this time around.

Look at how well Canadian healthcare functions these days.

>>728213077
Shut the fuck up.
If you have an idea without legal copyright, trademark or a patent on it then how does one raise capital?


I'm assuming you mean "selling an idea"

Fuck off and start a business then come back and apologise for being this gullible

The product the book you read that in was the published book you read it in not the ideas..
Shut up you retarded cunt.

>>728208309
You sound like an entitled faggot and I wouldn't hire you in 1 million years. You aren't entitled to shit from anyone. Nobody owes you a damn thing.

You probably didn't get hired because you're a fucking faggot.

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>>728211762
>Just clarifying the terms and who we're talking about. There's no such thing as Western Liberals or neo-liberals or liberals in general. They are communists.

When you stare into the void, the void stares back.

>>728213329
If it's allowed to, yes. That's kinda why a country needs borders. Just because the system is showing its negative side doesn't mean it's not one of the most, if not most, efficient economic structures.

>>728213584

And why does America set up bases in these oil-rich countries? Because Leftists said you can't drill for oil in your own continent because muh environment. That's why islamic dictators have access to billions. Before that, they were mostly just harmless sand people.

>>728213065
So where did you learn computer skills numbnuts.
That was paid for, obviously by someone else in your case. Admit it, you're wrong. It's not free.
Minimising expenditure isn't the same thing as getting it for free

>>728213699

If communists read, they wouldn't be communists.

>>728213785

My parents kept me alive by working for their money and I had access to the internet. The internet can teach you almost anything these days.

But okay, let's refine it then. You don't need large amounts of money to start a business, just enough to feed/clothe yourself and access the internet.

>>728213508
Yeah, it's weird. Like, most people just default to what they know of when they hear business. Good points on jobs that take no start-up funds, except the sweeping one.

>>728213556
Lololol way to try and deflect the point.

No but you focus your time on selecting somewhere that's not a shithole and research companies..

If I'm sucking one companies dick my mouths full for that application. If it's a waste of time I'd rather suck the dick of someone who would hire me.

Instead of doing a call back for 5 people and getting rejected after prompt by four.

To just get rejected by four and land the fifth.


Are you trying to be difficult or are you really this slow?

>>728213935
That's all I wanted anon thank you.
:) clarity and honesty are important to good conversation.

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>>728213647
>Look at how well Canadian healthcare functions these days.

Boo Hoo why do you evil corrput liberals hate us so? You have your nice little /pol safe space with the rest of the snowflakes, you can go stamp your feet with them when someone dares to express an opinion you don't personally agree with.

Faggot.

>>728213817
You know you mean socialism right?

>>728213941

Hey, as long as people are willing to pay consistently you can make it a business :) If you live in the desert, I can imagine people need sweeping services.

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>>728213778
Stupidest shit I ever heard here is oil wells by state

The drama is about some oil wellers not being able to drill in a couple of small areas

>>728214074

What opinion? You're just crying and telling me to leave like a woman. Men don't talk like this.

>>728213935
Look bud just admit it was the socialized education that got you there and be done with it

>>728213778
Oil in fungible, faggot. You really don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>728214044

It's good to define terms, it was a pleasure talking with you.

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>>728213817
You don't actually know anything about communist then, because they spent too much time reading Marx.

You really are a fucking idiot who just makes it up as he goes along.

>>728211702
>Implying the girl on the right isn't a CIA actress

>>728213647
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Health

better health outcomes then the USA and half the cost

Seems OK?

>>728214098
If it's a rich enough area..
Poor people don't pay for luxury services.

Unless you have an idea that doesn't involve getting shafted on your invoices from clients or a way to generate enough capital or collateral to actually float your loses, then shut the fuck up.

Businesses generally lose money the first few years. If you started the business yeah you budget for wages and labour, but you still take the loses personally until you are afloat.

I agree with the sentiment.
But as a guys running a luxury services business it's not that easy even when I have no competition

>>728214160

Socialized education wasted 15 years of my life teaching me nonsense I'll never use like geography, French, German, a little arabic, what kinds of instruments there are and all kinds of other bullshit I haven't had to deal with ever since I got out.

I am self taught. I am an android programmer and a software engineer, there are no studies that exist for this any more than there are studies to become a windows internals expert. Too much specific information that you only need once or twice, not enough return on investment.

>>728213657
Dude, calm down.
No need to get butthurt over someone pointing out a possibility.

Alao, don't assume anything else you could be made out to be a fool. I was thinking of the story of some kid publishing an idea through a patient company, forget what it was ... something like a screen door but it had magnets down the middle so you could just walk through it instead of having the "problem" of a normal screen door.

Should you apologize for being stupid now? Doubt you will, could be wrong tho.

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>>728214140
You're a whinny little snowflake who's pissed off because people dare to disagree with you.

I know you don't like that opinion, but you're a faggot who can't find his way back to /pol, so we don't expect better from you anyway.

>>728214286

Oh yeah, because governments will surely not lie to you about government programs.

>meanwhile on /pol/ Canadians tell horror stories about Canadian healthcare

Here's a comedian pretending to be hurt, in Canadian healthcare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw

>>728213962
Do you think a week is unsatisfactory to wait for an answer? There are many different factors at play here, that you're obviously unaware of. Being notified longer than a week isn't a bad thing. Here's why:

What part of the hiring cycle are they in? What part did you apply in? Let's say you applied early - great! Now let's talk about the wide range of departmental policies.

Some places will have to accept a certain amount of resumes before they can begin the interview process. This can take longer than a week.

Some places will have to then interview a certain number of people before they can narrow down their candidates. Some places even have to interview EVERYONE who applied. Not many, but some do.

Now, you've got a couple weeks under your belt of collecting resumes, conducting interviews, and you've narrowed it down to your final candidates. You finally made it into the top 3! Great!

Now you have to have another 2-3 interviews with the higher ups at the company, and the direct department head you'll be working in. Let's tack on another 1-2 weeks here.


Unless you're looking for a job at McDick's then you seem to have zero knowledge about the hiring process at most companies/firms/corporations. It's not uncommon in the slightest for the hiring process to take 6 weeks between initial resume, interviews, and all of that good stuff.

So let's say you DON'T make the cut. They notify you at the 4-5 week mark after they've narrowed down their choices to the finalists. Asking someone to notify you within a week is either asking to be a bad enough candidate that they throw you out immediately without a chance, or you're after a really shit job.

>>728214328

Wages and labour? Why would you hire people when you have no money? Why would you run a luxury service in a poor environment? Get some plastic cups, water, dirt and seeds, start your own hydroponic farm at home. Just throwing out ideas. This idea of THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO EVER just isn't productive. Might as well kill yourself at that point, right?

>>728214394

Disagree with what? You haven't said anything.

>>728214098
I was poking fun at the sweeping example because you kinda need a broom. But I get it.

>>728214274

Not an argument, as expected from communists who are divorced from reality. I'm going to eat from my bourgeois plates in my bourgeois home where I store all my decadent wines and foods, bye.

I'll leave you to the KGB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4

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>>728214830

Ah yes, more personal attacks instead of logic. That worked so well for Hillary Clinton that her entire political organisation is now dead.

>>728214636
Im talking about paying your own wages.

You work for the company you own too. And you still need to eat. How are you this new to the idea of business and why do t you shut up since you do t know anything but cliche crap?

>>728208309

WOw your attitude is shit. I wouldn't have hired you either.

You obviously don't know how businesses work. It takes time to see all the applicants, it takes time to check references and do background checks.


Why don't you stop being such a whiny baby? It's pathetic. YOu sound like a forever NEET.

quit being a bitch. that's how it is, its not even the country's fault dumbass

>>728214636
Lol so you just need to become a hydroponics expert then right? Otherwise what's to stop competition with capital just straight eliminating you by buying say a proper rig..

A proper rig operated by unskilled labour beats a shit rig made by an expert all day long..

That's why farm hand isn't a skilled position or protected trade.

Hell if you're doing that why not grow weed?

It's also a tax free shit idea


If it's that easy it's been done.

>>728215054
Lol that's why you're not a boss.
This shit has been debunked th

Like thrice already.
Well done on your research mr bossman.

I'm so glad I don't employ people like you

>>728214556
For sure
How long does it take to die from starvation again?

About that length of time.

I'm well aware of the beureucratic process.
But I'm admitting it's willfully ignorant and neglectful for the working pool. It has to be by definition.

But that doesn't mean there isn't room to improve.

As I said.
Auto rejection for dismissed applicants.
They will accept the job if you tell them you changed your mind, they have nothing better to do.

Or how about we just hire labour hire and claim lost profits and wages on insurance instead?

That's how this shit actually runs my friend
Not that hard.

There any Communists in this thread? I wish to join you, comrades! But I have some questions, care to help your fellow worker out?

>>728214379
You do you fucking idiot.

How much does a device patent application cost you think?

How much do you think it costs when it's accepted?

Yes hats right real fucking money.
So unless your going to contribute. I'm right to tell you to fuck off.

Sorry dude but the tv lied to you

>>728215603

>Auto rejection for dismissed applicants
>90% of applicants not dismissed for 4+ weeks
>10% of applicants dismissed immediately for being insane/felons/etc

Most rejection systems ARE automatic. Ever gotten that generic "sorry, dont want you" email they send to everyone?

They can't "auto-reject" someone before they sort through all the possibilities. The average job gets 120 applicants. If you expect a company to be fair and review each applicant, then you must understand this takes time.

Starving isn't anyone's fault. A company owes you nothing. No one owes you anything. Either ration your money wiser (buy giant bag of rice... will last you months if you ration) or go hunting in the woods or some shit if you are that hard up for food. Something tells me you aren't, since you're on the internet.

>>728214379
Also
Do you know how much it costs to publish anything?

Do you know the process for copyrighting something international?

Please stop pretending the propaganda and "self-made" success stories.

They all had backing in someway or another, the article doesn't mention it because then it's not an inspirational story. It's just a real story a really fucking boring story.

As I said I agree with the sentiment.
But businesses are expensive by nature and nothing will change that. Not even ignorance

I live in one of the top 5 richest nations in the world and we have 225k people who are actively searching for work and about 8.6k jobs.
The real issue which is never discussed enough is the reality of automation and the global economy where you can always find someone more desperate for money until all human rights are erased.

>>728215758
Do you think that they wont waved the fees to take a portion of any profits?

Any more questions? I'd like to help get rid of your stupidity and talking with you seems to be working, hopefully.

>>728215972
"It's not been easy for me. I started out in Brooklyn. My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars"
>self made man

>>728215972
I refer you to right here
>>728216094
I do hope you're learning that you're missing some information about how the world works.

>>728216094
>Do you think that they wont waved the fees to take a portion of any profits?
Like what the original owner of Tesla did?

>>728215914
Again.
I understand the beureucrstic system.
I function under it and apply it daily.

I'm not sure your doing your reading here,
For the third time, I understand how it actually works..

Now address one of the points that's been made please.

No it isn't any companies fault this fuckhead can't pay his bills.

But they could be aware on a company wide level, that yes things are that bad out there for most people. No they aren't obligated. But it wouldn't. Hurt them either to promote moral or employee loyalty.

That also works..
also using labourhire and temp firms is the norm., this way all the problems are outsouced and ignored while maximising profits and minimising expenses because some shit employment agency wants to skimp on its method and bottom line..

The margins only get thinner and it's not sustainable.

>>728216311
No clue, I would like to know more.

It may be a decent example, won't know until I know more.

>>728216498
Basically he had to get outside funding, got some from Elon Musk, Elon hostile takeover'd that bitch.

>>728216241
Kek
Go do that then mr expert.

They don't waive fees unless they can own the product you dildo. Then guess what. You don't have a business or a product after that you damn dirty ape.

Yes patent fees are crippling, that's why patent theft is such an issue. Not corporate espionage or some bullshit. Because johnny couldn't get a patent but he got a trademark and copyright and someone else got the patent..

Seriously dude.. why are you pretending to be an expert.. you clearly haven't researched the field..

Tell me again how I'm wrong?
Have you ever made or marketed anything?
Or are you working in maccas?

>>728216379
I don't disagree that companies should make a better effort for humanity, or whatever, but what I'm saying is your arguments thus far are illogical.

You offered auto-rejection. It's already in place, and can't get much faster. So I explained why.

I said apply to many different places, you countered by saying you can only focus on a few at a time due to having too much dick in your mouth at one time. I said you should apply to companies you like and understand that the process takes a long time. If you're that hard up for money, then you take a shitty job in the meantime and quit it once you land a better one.

You argued starvation. I corrected you with a simple meal plan that costs pennies on the dollar for each meal. I also corrected you with one that costs nothing but the initial purchase of a knife to kill your own.

Nothing you've said thus far is any concrete evidence that you have any idea what you're talking about. It's just inane whining about "why doesn't someone give me a job quicker? why aren't companies nicer? why can't I be rejected sooner?"

Become a felon, drug user, or autismo. You'll get rejected immediately if that's your goal. Otherwise just apply till you find something and scrounge in the meantime, do what you have to do to survive if you're a man. Don't go on manchurian cartoon exchange boards to whine about it.

>>728216777
No I'm not making an argument for any of those things. I'm stating that they exist as a byproduct of what you're supporting.

Yes the systems are refined.

The more expensive the better.

How many companies do you know that actually buy the best?
None, even the ones that say they do are watching the bottom line instead or their workforce or tools.

This is a vent thread. What dont you get?

Yes the system is flawed.. why are you arguing it's perfect?

>>728208309

Spotted the lazy nigger.

>>728216631
Sign, why misrepresent what I've said?

You are making a lot of assumptions about something that has many ways of working. Further, I never claimed to be, but I'm glad that you think so.

It is possible for you to enter into a contractual relationship that says "bla bla bla ... no costs to you what so ever and if it works we get X% of all profits made but if it fails we get all of it ... bla bla bla" there could be lots of little things in there thay could fuck you over.

How does what you're saying make what I'm saying false? It is still a possibility, like the things you've been mentioning. Some may be used more than others, doesn't change the validity of what I've said.

>>728216777
Also retard

You need money to eat,
Pennies are money

Knife costs money

Fines for slaughtering animals cost money
Licence for butcheri animals costs money,

Such a perfect system you have.

I get you're playing devils advocate but I'm obviously not starving while I'm here on 4chan..

I'm successful enough in my own business not to really care. But I'm confused why people would only sprout the propaganda they've been raised on than to try and question and improve the systems the work with everyday..

I thought you were all about invention..

If you refine a system for your boss what happens?
Promotions motherfucker. Incentive based progression is also not hard.

Yes a month is too long considering most actual hires are hired on the spot and paperwork is done retroactively.. not bereucrarically.

90 percent of applications. The job is reposted later anyways.
The guy that's normally hired is a personal recommendation to or from a manager or from a personal introduction.

>>728214945

Of course it's not a wage if I'm the sole worker and owner, it's just me working for myself. I don't pay wage costs to the government for working myself, I pay income tax. Now you're just willfully re-branding terms.

>>728215180

Sure, keep railing against the concept of being creative by shooting down the examples since I don't know your specific situation. I don't care if you starve.

>>728217390
Because the application still cost money you fucking idiot. Even if it isn't approved.

This is the crux of the argument.

Yes you could sell your product in small amounts to raise the capital, but someone could also take it so let's not go to co tractual hypotheticals.

You need money to copyright (properly), trademark, patent, license or even sell a product.

This is how it's done for everyone.

I'm not talking specifics even dude. This is basic stuff

>>728217655

So the issue is bureaucracy instead of actually coming up with a product? I'm all for lowering the costs.

>>728217536
I'm more than set but thanks for a shit unworkable idea.

I'm not OP

An yes in a bawards wild country for someone with no access to 4chan or governmental restrictions it could be feasible.

But this isn't a conversation about your fantasies. It's about how things are actually running, practically and financially irl

>>728217755
Me too. My point is only that there is a cost.

Business is never free. It always take investment and capital. As the business owner it's up to you to find it by any means legally possible including thinking outside the box.
I think we agree?

>>728217655
I will admit that you are the mentally superior person here if you can address the things I've said, else the evidence speaks for itself.

Also, what part of "no costs to you" do you not understand?

That and I never said anything about the application process, I mentioned a contract.

>>728217445
No I'm speaking to the colloquialism "paying yourself a wage" have you literally never met a contractor?

But yes as a business owner generally your first priority is YOUR income after expences. That's why ceos are paid so much..

>>728218005
Lol

Dude the points are addressed.
You're talking smack. That's it.

No one will waive a cost unless they benefit.
If it's that workable you would have gotten investment as a startup. Or hell a fucking loan

Your selling a patentable method or product now remember.

You have to pay for that. Clear cut and simple.
Nothing is free. Everything costs money, as a business you try and budget and minimise this. But things still cost money,

>>728218273
You, sir, are the only one talking smak.

No, you've talked about other facets of the process. You've done nothing to address my point about contracts. You do know how they work, right? You do know that the contract is legally binding, so long as it's written well, and can act as the up front costs.

>>728210115
>implication
Not all of us fell for the college meme anon

>>728218273
Granting a patent
Applying for a patent
Examining a competitors patent
Researching patents and market gaps
Prototyping said patentable thing

All these things cost time and money.

The last thing can be done if you have a lifestyle that's stable (parents support/job/benefits) but it still costs money.

>>728218821
The last Three things*

>>728218602
You've made no real point about a contract.

If you knew the first thing about contract law or contracts in general you'd see it in my posts..


What does the contract offer imply? A product or service that's been marketed.


What am I missing?

How did you make this magic product for free?

What's stopping me from destroying you because you have no patent, license, copyright or trademarks..

I could literally legally just take it.

If you have those protections then you bought them or a backer provided the support. Either way someone paid money.


All off this assumes your magic fantasy idea can manifest itself out of your brain for no cost. Not even your time.

If you work, it cost you to make it via time off.
If you don't your parents or the government normally paid.


Everything has an initial cost and outlay.
This must be covered before proceeding anywhere.

Unless you have magic


I'm not making difficult points here.. I'm trying to be consise I'm sorry if I'm not being clear.

>>728216615
Yes, exactly. IMO, it's fucked up but it's legal. Could have been fucked over by not catching a small little clause in a contract, if they used one --which is a common practice.

>>728218602
Or do you mean promissory contract?

Because you have to show means and cause or tender for the contracts..

That costs money...

Sorry bro, dumb it down for me and give me an analogy or example. I must have missed something

is it spain ?

>>728219500
What's the problem?

>>728208309
I'd call you an autistic bitch, but I once punched a hole in my wall out of frustration for similar reasons

>>728219507
>inb4 promissory contract isn't the technically correct term
But it works by analogy to regular business contracting and contracters.

>sorry this edit makes fuck all sense

>>728219507
I mean a piece of paper with words written on it that all parties agree to abide by what is written.

It's like a promise, but the government will ruin your life is you break it.

Also, you have a point. You have to have something, like a rough idea for a screen door that you can just walk through, before a patent house(I don't know the actual terminology for the business but it's a business that helps you out with all the patent-related legal stuff) will offer you a contract. The contract then gives them certain rights over either the product, profits, or most likely both.

They, patent houses, build in lodes of protection for themselves in the contract, like if the venture goes under they keep the patent and you're SoL or you have to be able to give them $X every month else they get the patent or shit like that.

>>728208309
Do you hate capitalism yet?

>>728219578
No problem, just agreeing with you and bitching about how contracts can be preditorial.

>>728220370
I'm not saying the fees are massive.

I'm not saying the design has to be expensive.

But imagine you don't have a computer to access.
No support from anyone.

You are unemployed on the poverty line stuggling to feed yourself.

Boom, amazing idea for a new configuration for a factory layout.
Or a method for teaching children Mozart.
Or a new wiring method you discovered and drew that doubles battery life from garbage (assuming the free electronic knowledge from a garbage textbook)

All of these things are patentable without a physical product. Except design copies, blueprints, method statements etc. that have no cost to make.

The cost can be as small as living another day until you can pitch to a potential investor.
Travelling to said investor.


Even if all goes well what you're doing is raising capital so you are a a start up raising funding now.

All of this assumes you have paid the fees for relevant business licences, association or union memberships. Tax registration etc.

Then you go to the patent office and before you can even apply they need to check if someone else did it first. That costs money. Fuck all but it does. It normally just happens in application.

Anyways it's all costs money.

You've defiantly missed what I've been saying about contracts entirely dude I'm sorry I wasn't clearer with my points. But I can't be fucked writing anymore on a non-productive task.

Thanks for taking the time to converse though

>>728217439
>Implying you can't find more than pennies just looking around the streets
>Implying people don't make $100 every day begging at intersections

More than enough for a knife, or multiple bags of rice/food/etc.

>Fines for slaughtering animals cost money
>Licence for butcheri animals costs money,

Lol fines for slaughtering animals, and license to butcher? That's rich. Keep coming up with excuses.

A) There's not a single cop in existence that would fine you for being homeless and forced to hunt for food. At worst, you'd be taken to a shelter. With food. And shelter. Citation: LEO here.

B) Butcher license lol you're not running a business, you're homeless in this scenario. Refer to A.

>Yes a month is too long considering most actual hires are hired on the spot
>The guy that's normally hired is a personal recommendation to or from a manager or from a personal introduction.

Gonna need some citations on those ones. You're completely wrong about most hiring happening on the spot. Yes, connections go a long way, but does that mean you just shouldn't try? Not only that, but then isn't it as simple as making those connections and getting a job through that person "on the spot" if that's what you claim?

Again, I don't disagree that the system can be improved. It's actually very flawed. Take it from a guy who got 5k into debt after being "let go" for questioning illegal business practices in a LEGAL field, then not being hired anywhere for nearly a YEAR, then taking another 6+ months to get out of debt.

I know ALL about the system and how it's broken. I just think your arguments are retarded and unrealistic. They don't come from a place of leadership. The way you speak is as if you've only ever had small roles within a company. You own a business, OK. How do you hire people? On the spot? Do you let them know in less than a week if they're accepted? Do you get 120+ applications per job? How do you do it?

>>728221748
Agreed, tho I'm not talking about the patent office, I'm talking about a patent house. One is the governmental agency and the other is a type of business.

Cheers m8

>>728222306
Adding: the patent house is a business who will help you get a patent on an invention. They're the ones you, the invention, get the process going and "fuck you" if you fail.

>>728222540
They're the ones you, the invention, sign a contract with to ...

>>728221776
Bull shit on every point mate.
Sorry but I'm not the denialist here.

It's all in the thread I'm not going to rehash my points again.

Ok yeah people have never been convicted of anything while homeless.

Or hunting at the wrong time.

I'm sorry the world is actually darker than your world view and upbringing allow you to see.

Shits hard out here fam. I do t mean to be the most eternal faggot that ever existed in white male history. But check your privileges, not everyone had them.

I'm not doing badly for myself at all (two degrees, successful business with multiple staff) I'm just highlighting various different aspects.

Ok I'm not sure if I said this to you or someone else.

Normally we only have specialised staff we actually hire. But when we hire in pools we put on extra staff. We discourage paper applications but we still accept them. I personally try to view as many as I can because I like to know the staff near me and we're only growing so far..
Normally bigger firms just outsource. All other unskilled work is outsourced to a temp or labour hire agency as a contract. If they fuck up. We're insured for lost time and damages. They're systems that have no need to be improved rapidly so thay aren't. Thereby sucking.

Realistically I don't need to provide a better method because that's your argument and not mine.

As I said it's fucking bullshit. And it's venting.

Who cares if I'm a leader here in my personal time? I'm irreplaceable in my position because of my skills and experience at the moment. I'm happy with things right now

>>728222692
my questions are generally condescending and rhetorical with sarcastic overtones not literal.

You've missed me I'm afraid. Re-read for conprehension if it's not too boring.

Sorry my writing has been fairly crap and hard to understand.

>>728218086

But you see, a CEO is an employee in a general partnership where there is a board of directors. The CEO does not own the business, the owners are the share holders who may or may not be part of the board.

In a small business, there's an actual owner who owns the business directly.

>>728220484

Greece is a socialist country where the majority of the populace works for the state, which of course skyrocketed taxes since government workers don't actually produce anything so they don't generate value.

>>728223623
>Greece is a socialist country
It's not a controlled economy though.

>>728223188
I think I understand what you've been getting at, mostly just that the normal process to get a patent costs. Which I won't disagree with, most of what you've said I don't disagree with. I was just pointing out another way to get a patent. It may be undesirable to do it the way I've suggested because it comes with the risk of you being SoL and not having some/most of your rights over the patent.

It's fine, IMO, my writing sucks.

>>728223472
No it's a bad analogy there your right.

I only meant your value as the head of a company creates value and everyone has a salary including yourself.

Or is the semantic point your trying to make actually trying to disagree with the actual point of the post?

Have you ever met a small business owner who just started or just went broke? Yeah they suffer financially.

That's right CEO-chief executive officer.
Yes there are multiple ways to operate and register a business. I must be missing a bigger point you're trying to make

>>728223732

Not yet. Socialism happens in phases. First there's the promise of taking care of the poor, free education, free healthcare, free free free paid for by robbing the productive. Then, when precedent is set and costs start accumulating, more power is needed to keep the system afloat so new laws based on the old theft-based, state-owns-the-people type laws are passed. At this point, it's the corrupt promising the dumb more free stuff in an ever accelerating wave of socialist power grabbing.

Then, when the government has absolute power, COMMUNISM or as you referred to it, a controlled economy.

It's a predatory system that abuses the kindness of others that allow it to happen as well as the greed of the dumb. When socialism is implemented, it's a matter of time before the riots start on either side.

>>728224025
>people are this paranoid
Slippery slope.

>>728208309
I hire people for a living
Why would we call you back if you're not getting the job?
You shouldn't be filling out only 1 application and hoping for the best

>>728223951

Quick recap because you're fun to talk to

>I claim you can start a business with almost nothing
>you say this is not possible because of wages and labour
>I say when you work for yourself, you don't pay wages
>you say businesses pay salaries/wages and therefore you can't start with almost nothing
>I say that you don't page the socialist tax to hire people (not in this many words), if you don't have employees and you aren't part of a general partnership since you'd be the direct owner and therefore don't pay the costs of paying someone a wage

And then we argued about the definition of wages, various forms of business ownership and how much it actually costs to start a business if you have no money.

>>728224121

It's not a fallacy since we've seen this happen in Soviet Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Greece, the entire EU right now and even America before Trump. It's not a fallacy if it's true. I'm not making outrageous unrelated connections between events.

>>728208309
I know the feels OP

currently searching for a new job, been getting interviews right and left, but still nothing

>>728223921
My overall point is that all business operations require expense even the most minor paperwork.

The patents are very much a small sub point.

To be in any situation with a contract implies an offer for something you have.

Something you have wasn't free to get.

Either you do the prep work yourself or you get it to someone who can. Also not free.


I just feel like the overall point you initially made was trying to say business is free to start you just need and idea.

I don't agree that's all. Minor molehills are massive mountains when you have nothing. Which is the overall topic in the thread I think.

All well and good to pull yourself up by your bootstraps but it's not easy or free. This is the main point I wanted to make put simply.

>>728224510

Patents are largely irrelevant to the majority of businesses unless you actually have a product to patent, in which case getting investors isn't that hard if it's not a bad idea. Hell, you'd need investors who know what they're doing to even get the product out there if it's that good and worthy of a patent.

Don't need a patent to make chairs. People need chairs. You can make money selling chairs.

>>728222735
>check your privileges
>I'm sorry the world is actually darker than your world view and upbringing allow you to see.

kek stopped reading here. Those are some big assumptions on the internet friendo.

Grew up abused by my father, violent, drunk. He made us go bankrupt not once but TWICE and we lost everything not once but TWICE. My mom left him and I was raised by a single mother. For years we literally didn't have two pennies to rub together. When I grew up I had to start working well below the legal age limit to help support the family.

Long story short, put myself through college completely paid off in the USA, didn't finish until I was 27 but hey I never gave up. Worked the entire way through college. Never had cable or any of that other shit till I was on my own and paid for it by working.

Fast forward, got into law enforcement, support myself and my family just fine. I see darker parts of the world every day than you will ever see in your lifetime, and be thankful for that. I'm just saying that I'm no stranger to corporations, and your claim that I grew up with privilege is retarded.

>>728208309
I know op it sucks.

Got rejected today because apparently knowing about, and researching the projects the company has worked on, and describing the company you previously worked at when asked means you might be a know it all.

Weirdest fucking rejection ever. Fuck that bitch seriously.

>>728224473
How much is a relative perpective thing. Different for every single case.

My point is the free and cheap can be almost impossible with no income or trying to make the transition from a working position to starting a business. Because it's not over night normally.

$2 is expensive to some people.. yeah fucking poor cunts. But they really are the majority rather than the minority overall. Most people I know don't have spare money for anything at all in the way of luxury. It's work or die. The last few years have been hard.
People are frustrated.

I guess I'm just being a preachy angsty retard but eh. Were all faggots here anyways

>>728224940
Rejected for being a male.
Female only role.
Sorry. Out to labour work for you fuck you for trying to get a job in here

Google WIS International
It's an inventory company
You go to different stores and count everything in the store
They're always hiring
If you're looking for an easy enough job check that website out

>>728224911
Lol returned the favour idgaf about your world view I already said this.
There's no discussion here dude.

>>728224940

>feminists
>logic

Pick only one

>>728224956

You wouldn't be transitioning from a job to a business. You'd start a business because you can't get a job and the alternative is starvation. Washing car windows at a traffic light is a business. Not one that makes a lot of money, but it is a business.

>>728225176
Start a business to avoid starvation...
No

Business is slower than that sorry.

>>728224510
>Something you have wasn't free to get.
ideas you have are free, you may not be able to use some of them due to legal reasons.

Also, when I agreed with anon, I mentioned that it's possible, tho not probable, to start a business for free. However, depending upon the business you may be limited in growth. That being said, with patents, it's possible to get a patent to use in your business venture by giving your rights away.

It mostly depends on what kind of business we're talking aboit. Most businesses you need start-up capital to get going, but there are some that don't. However the ones that don't are likely to be niche markets and don't have much if any upward financial potential.

>>728225279
Name one free business with zero cost

Sell it

Profit

Problem?

>>728225234

Definition from wikipedia, I'm sure it's not that different elsewhere
>A business (also known as an enterprise, a company or a firm) is an organizational entity involved in the provision of goods and services to consumers

>organizational entity

That means someone organizes something to get goods and services out to consumers. That could be you with a bucket and a piece of cloth, organizing yourself to go out there and wash car windows.

>>728225359

Story teller, public debater, being famous.

>>728224911
Lol

Bro by definition you have no idea about dark side of life if you're in law enforcement.

Literally no fucking.

Why the fuck do you think we run from you? Because we literally can't afford to pay you and we're afraid of jail.
Fuck off pig.
You get no respect. You fucking destroy family's for majijuana and think that's ok.

You're a fucking robot.

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>>728208790
No its not the country, its the times. Greece is on the low end but it sucks everywhere. There are so many unemployed that they dont have time to tell so many they suck balls when they open for a position. So they don't

>>728225477
Bucket and cloth.

Lol
No

Had your windows washed lately?

Last time I did that as a kid. I didn't make enough to outweigh a shit job. So I stuck with a shit job. Then transitioned slowly to starting and operating a business.

Thats the normal way, slow growth and implimentaion of a sound business plan from an established base.

Things take time.

Hell I'll make it easy.

You could busk with only your voice
Still need a busking licence.
Also need to pay tax if you earn enough

>>728225506
Actually I let marijuana offenders go, sorry to burst your bubble bud. The only time I'll make an arrest is if they've done something violent and/or dangerous to another person during their marijuana usage, but as you know, that's VERY rare.

I don't disagree there are bad cops out there, sometimes I work with them. It sucks. But hey, be the change you want to see in the world right? Don't just cry about it. Go fucking do it if you want it do be different.

>>728225176
>>728225074
Might be. I know they already practically decided to hire another applicant but my resume came in last minute. I am pretty sure the marketing director is the one who said to invite me for an interview. He had to leave for business abroad so he couldn't be there (he was originally supposed to be one of the 2 interviewers)

My guess is she wanted the other candidate no matter what but couldn't get out of the interview without getting in trouble with the director.

And to clarify the prvious employer thing, I worked for a CRO so it is rather complicated if you don't know the industry. I explained what they did and she said "you lost me at the word pulmonology". I thought she was joking but apparently what I should have done is stop the explanation completely cause she didn't get it.

>>728225750
Thank you sir.

My point about the marijuana way a throwaway point about the general belief in law enforce the propaganda.

You are a good man if what you say is true.

The points you have made earlier in the thread I still believe to be wrong.

Most of my contact with police has been for minor things very stupid offences.
But never have I felt safe calling them for my own safety..
I realise that says something about my previous lifestyle but I firmly believe that's the mainstream not the minority.

Thanks for your service if you are indeed one of the good cops sir!

>>728226049
Law enforcement propoganda*

>>728225737

The bucket and a cloth are an EXAMPLE of how small you can start when you barely have anything. The EXAMPLE itself is irrelevant. But yeah, singing is another nice example of what you can do for money without needing anything else.

>need to pay tax

If you're poor, just avoid taxes. Taxes go to other poor people who don't put in the work, why should they get to steal from you? You don't need licenses for anything either, just permission from the owner of the building or to be out somewhere where you won't get chased off so easily since you're not bothering people or businesses.

>>728225817

>women
>understanding things

The majority of women are diversity hires who only respond to emotional stimuli. What you actually know or can do is irrelevant. Drop some pictures of your children, discuss those. Women are generally useless.

>>728226197
No dude.

You get a fine.
You can't afford it so you make payments.

Try something else dumb, get another fine for that.

Shits hard when your poor.
Why is that hard to get?

Not complaining, I'm not saying it's impossible, just hard. I can't see how anyone wouldn't agree with that

>>728226308
Women are faggots

>>728212970
and how fucking retarded is that? huh? If a guy searched for a job, he got an interview he should be notified shortly after if he's hired. It's simple respect for your fellow humans.

>>728226367
Would*

>you shall know me by my autocorrect fails

>>728226367

There's bars and such where you can perform and have people donate money to you based on your performance. Just don't report it to the IRS. The average legit business gets a check once in 30 years, the government doesn't have time to go after small time individuals.

It wouldn't even be such an issue without all this socialist faggotry destroying the job market through destroying wealth creation in the first place.

>>728225750
How many money do you extort from your average citizen via tickets?

>>728225690
>that pic
Fucking Americans this is why we hate you.
Stop looking down on people less lucky then you cunt.

>>728226612
Nope
For a start there's PROs and such and as you said the IRS but there's RIAA etc I can't remember the music organisations of America, but yes they monitor for royalties of performers songs and musicians who played. Cover bands too.

I was thinking completly original on the street and people just straight giving you money would cause you troubles.

I'm talking about a by the book start not some shady dodgy deal.

>>728208309
OP if you are struggling to beat the rest then do what they won't.
I got my job by saying to the manager directly that i would work from that moment to the end of the week and if they liked me then you call me back if not then they don't hear from me again.
I worked that week for free and now i'm in full time employment with that company.
Don't rely on a it of paper to get you a job, just because every other asshole is flinging paper about doesn't mean you should suck the same dick.

>>728226894

Christ, what kind of totalitarian shithole do you live in friend? That sounds awful, like ISIS decapitating 15 year olds for listening to western music kinds of awful.

How do actual criminals get away with making money and staying off the radar when the regular citizenry is treated like this? Do you have criminality of any kind left in this kind of super-controlled environment?

>>728225359
That's not the point I've made. But to answer your question, a kicking-boii. 0 costs at startup and all you have to do is accept verbal, emotional, and physical abuse. I never said anything about running costs, qute reading more than the leteral words.

>>728227775
Literal*

>>728227775
Quit*
kek, mistakes.