Ask someone who just got convicted of sex with a minor + child

Do you wanna just answer the questions you laid out first? Seems like you have answers for those already

>>727999036

whats a minor in norway?

>>727999183
I do, but I probably don't have time to answer them all in full.

Any of them in particular you were curious about?

>>727999036
>> How did you get caught?
This please. It's for... a friend, you know.

>>727999243
3

Were you guilty

do u regret?

i meant other than the punishment,

or how do u feel bout this

>>727999231
Good question. I should clarify this:

A "minor" in Norway is, strictly speaking, someone < 18. When you turn 18 you are given the right to vote, drive, buy beer and such. Anything below 18 is considered a "child" in legal terms.

However I was talking about the age of consent for sex. There are two age limits for that here:

The age of consent for sex is 16. So if a 14 or 15 year old has sex, even cybersex, it's automatically considered "abuse" and punishable as a serious crime.

But there is a seperate law for anyone below 14, which is always considered "rape" under new laws. So if you meet a 13 year old who lies about her age and has cybersex with you on Chatroulette or Omegle, you have in legal terms "raped a child", and will be punished with minimum 3, usually 4 years in jail. It's crazy.

There is also a seperate law against buying sex from someone under 18, or gaining sex by "exploiting a difficult life situation" of a 16 or 17 year old. But I don't know of any cases where those laws have been used.

General answer to your question: 16.

The girl I fucked was 15.

>>727999709
>The girl I fucked was 15.
That's ridiculous. Until a few years the Age of Consent here was 13. A 15yo girl is practically a woman.

>>727999295
This is going to surprise a lot of people:

They DO bust a lot of people for being stupid. If you download CP on eMule on the particular day they decide to snoop on the network, you will get busted. However, it seems they realize everybody does this, and they have no chance to stop it all, so they will put you in their files and probably target you only if you have "access to children" or something like that. They basically have huge dossiers of shit on people, and pick their targets selectively (unless you have bad luck, and they decide to bust everybody one day, to try and scare people).

But the way I got caught? I told someone.

Nothing specific. I just said I had once had a girlfriend who turned 16 while we were together, and that it was consensual. Two assholes went to the police with that information. They had no names or dates or anything. And still no charge of CP. Still it was enough for them to conduct a raid on my house, with armed police.

How was the pussy compared to older women?

>>727999709
How old are you?

>>727999709
Norwegian law student here.
That's like if a teacher or other adult used grades, secrets, etc. to coerce them into sex.>>728000131

>>728000131
>everyone does this
Uh... no.

>>727999368
Yes, and I confessed everything to the police when they asked me.

They still spent years trying to dig up more shit. Going through my facebook contacts, having interrogations of my friends and past sexual partners, etc..

They tried to add a couple of bullshit charges that were dropped, but only barely. If I hadn't been particularly prepared, considered a nice person, plaid it smart etc., I would have been convicted of "child rape" for chatting with an obvious role player.

Do they tell your friends and family?

So what incriminating evidence did they have against you if it was just two blokes hearsay

>>727999036
How did the minor feel about it?

>>727999036
At which hotel will you serve the jail sentence?

>>727999474
No, she was a girlfriend, and I'm glad to have had her in my life. Also, she's had no trouble from it, as she testified in court.

Perhaps it was a bad idea to stick it in her before she turned 16, but what's done is done. She was already sexually active (more so than me), and would never have told anyone.

Ironically though, most of my punishment was for what I had seen on the internet, not what I had done. The judges started crying when the police showed naked children on the big screen, I kid you not.

>>728000589
kek

>>728000236
Around 30.

I have no problem getting laid. You wouldn't consider me a creepy guy if you met me.

>>728000178
It was awesome actually :D.

But I had to teach her to shave her muff...

Are you much (>5y) older than the girl?

BTW I'm a hooker, and Norwegian men are the fucking nastiest, rudest, meanest bastards there are. I automtically block all Norwegian numbers and refuse appointments.

>>728000314
OP here. Not sure I get what you are saying. Could you clarify?

>>728000314
What if she is using her pussy to coerce the teacher into giving her good grades?

>>728000923
Oh I see you have answered my question, above.

>>728000672
So it doesn't really involve the girl it's because you were looking at cp you dirty bastard!

>>728000374
If you knew what they consider child porn: Yes. Everybody does this.

Cartoons, young looking porn stars, teen selfies in lingerie... Seriously, you could go to jail just for seeing a parody cartoon of the Simpsons. They can bust pretty much whichever internet-capable male they want.

>>727999036

Were you part of those high ranking officials, police and people who got busted around November - December 2016? Those sick fucks had up to 150 TB of content

>>727999709

I highly suggest OP to refrain from answering questions that anyone could simply find out themselves via google

with that in mind what stuff did they have on you that you thought to yourself.. how the Fuck did they know that..

OK. Another question.

Is she the youngest you have had?

>>727999036
Is this movie worth watching?

>>728000440
They are required by law to try to minimize that footprint, and not do that without due cause.

However, they went 10 years back into my personal history... They interrogated former employers, former friends and associates, one night stands... People were involved.

Also, my closest family fucked up and leaked some info to other family, which resulted in half of my family turning on me.

I played it smart though. It could have gone a lot worse if the wrong person found out, or if this became a big media story.

Then again, I'm still not sure how many people know...

>>728000936
If something is happening in a kids life, like family issues, drug use, mental illness, etc. and an adult in a position of power, teacher, doctor, psychologist, probation official, social worker, etc. uses it to coerce the minor into sex, that's when it would come to that.

>>728000988
Kids, as is agreed upon by most laws, can't make that decision.

>>728001199
for example did they find only info on your computer or did they have everything you ever did like phone internet history. Did you use things like TOR? etc..

>>727999036

I know you kinda already said it, but if you want to move on why are you inviting people to converse with you about it. That's not exactly "moving on".

>>728000589
This is bullshit. Prisoners will brag about how tough they are, and try to spite the authorities about it. Also, foreign prisoners might be used to worse.

But jail sucks. You're locked in a little concrete cell for months. And there are real criminals all around you in there, who are seriously scary.

Also, they use isolation in solitary confinement (no windows, tv or anything, just the walls) as a form of punishment for disobedience, or as a part of interrogation. That really is torture.

>>728001613
You are a real criminal, don't convince yourself otherwise.

>>727999036
>> If you were just convicted, how come you are not in jail right now?
>> How did you get caught?
>> How did the minor feel about it?
>> What is it like being interrogated by the police?
>> How does this influence your life?
>> What is jail like?
>> What kind of time are we talking about here?
>> Do they tell your friends and family?
>> What are the investigative and court processes like?
>> Are witnesses honest? Were you guilty?

>>728001613
Not in Norway

>>728001449
Kids these days are not the same kids of yesteryear.

>>728000131
>But the way I got caught? I told someone.
And they got jealous?

>>728000509
When they busted me, they found CP on my drives...

Also, they tricked me into believing they know more than they knew. They like to pretend that they just want you to confess what they already know, so they can let you go. In fact, it's the opposite: I confessed, and they locked me up to investigate. I really didn't think they could get a search warrant just from hearsay, so I was trying to figure out who had reported me. It just made no sense that she would, and as it turns out she hadn't.

Also my lawyer gave me some probably bad advice, and advised me to just confess. By this time I had been locked up in solitary confinement (glattcelle) for 2-3 days already just waiting for a lawyer (which I insisted on), so to tell you the truth I was ready to confess just about anything, true or false.

>>728001449
No. The kid can. What most laws will consider is the kids dont understand what they are doing.

>>728001963
Yeah, but it's still unlikely that they can cognitively acknowledge the consequences of their actions

>>728001199

>>728001456

i would like to know the answer to these 2 as well

ALSO! >>728000672 WTF i never heard of a court system showing CP on a big screen
that makes me question the authenticity of OP's story. They normally don't do that.

>>728000923
Op here. Depends on which norwegian I guess. And I guess it doesn't help that sex work is now considered bad here, thanks to the feminists (then people will disrespect you more).

The girls I date always want more sex from me than I want from them.

>>727999036
Do you think it should be legal? To have sex with minors?

Any negative effects for the girl?

>>728002096
A woman of 15? Haven't you heard? Women mature way faster than men.

>>728001015
No. They arrested me for sex with a minor.

They wouldn't have known about the CP if they hadn't raided my house and arrested me first.

>>728001996
Well, since you had CP, that might have been for the best, if they got a warrant and found it after you lied to them about it, it would be much worse for you.

>>728001996
>Also my lawyer gave me some probably bad advice, and advised me to just confess
Thats because public defense lawyers don't work to get the best possible deal for you, they view themselves as an officer of the court trying to find a solution that will work in the best interest of "justice".

>>728001192
Nope. I was an isolated case.

But they sat on the tips for years before making their move. Looking at the timeline here, it does seem like a political attack: As soon as I started to criticize the child porn police (Kripos) in public forums, they dug up the old tips and started to interrogate people.

>>728002215
The fact that you had it makes you a criminal....
You've slept with a minor and had cp on your computer so forgive and the rest of the world for thinking that you're a pedophile.

>>728000923
Tits or gtfo

>>728000672
>he judges started crying when the police showed naked children on the big screen, I kid you not.

HA HA HA

OP LIES! No court system does this!

otherwise you have a full audience of pedos at everyone cp court case lol

>>728000923
>BTW I'm a hooker, and Norwegian men are the fucking nastiest, rudest, meanest bastards there are.
sounds like it's greentext time!

>>728002337
Another example on how capitalism and private property prevails over communism and state ownership.

>>728001199
Nothing. I gave them pretty much everything. The only questions that remain are why they targeted me, and who spread which rumours.

This case has tought me the following:

The police are UTTERLY clueless about the whole subject matter. They believe in "pedophile networks" and evil strangers with candy with vans around the playground. They just don't understand the demography, at all.

Even the cops who specialize in CP testified in court that pedobear was the logo of a known pedophile network.

The judges are even more clueless. They had never heard of BDSM, they thought nobody would have sex with a friend, and they clearly had absolutely no understanding of file sharing. Facebook and Word is advanced to these people.

However, you should not underestimate the determination and resources of these people:

The cops WILL send your phone to expensive forensic analysis to discover deleted data, and they will intrude on all your known accounts and interrogate ridiculous amounts of people in hopes of digging up more shit so they can get in the newspapers.

Also, judges don't care so much about understanding or proof. They will put you away based on their emotions (and they think pedos/hebes are sick and dangerous).

>>728002115
>>728002807

That's what i was thinking too..

>>728002807
Actually, it could be true, but they might clear the courtroom. They have to see what they are convicting the guy for.

>>728001275
Yeah, it's amazing.

The most realistic depiction I know of of the subject matter.

However, Lolita in the movie is younger than the girl I fucked. The one I fucked could have passed for an adult, easily.

>>728001245
Yup.

I've fucked a couple of 16 year olds that were less experienced, but that's legal, so...

>>728001370
Aha, you are talking about when the "below 18" law is used.

Well, I'd say that's not a clear cut distinction. A lot of "victims" will talk about "problems" to get more echonomic compensation. And a lot of teens have real teen angst etc. regardless.

>>728002391
>As soon as I started to criticize the child porn police (Kripos) in public forums
vgnett?

>>728002952
Because those people are stuck with a lawyer who will try to be fair but admittedly won't be as good as a private one, instead of not having one at all because they can't afford one?

How exactly would not having state lawyers be a better option for people that can't afford their own? At least with a state lawyer you have someone who knows the law a lot better than you and can if nothing else prevent you from fucking up completely like most people who don't know shit about the law probably would

>>728000672
>d seen on the internet, not what I had done. The judges started crying when the police showed naked children on the big scre


liar no court does this. gtfo faggat.

where do u get cp

>>728002953
so what kinds of CP where you caught with. I wana know the dirt.

Did they only present things that you had downloaded or was there stuff you viewed online once too?

>>728001456
Yes, I used Tor. They could not get anywhere with chatlogs from Tor, and I was not busted from using Tor.

Generally speaking, it seems like encryption is a dead end to them.

They might get a tip from the FBI once in a blue moon, when the NSA arranges a Tor sting to get surveillence cooperation from other countries in return. At least that seems to be what happened in the "Dark Room" scandal in Norway last fall.

But in general, it is very easy for them to find people with unencrypted CP, so why bother?

To my knowledge, also after reading detailed police documents on my case, they made no attempt to find encrypted files or decrypt them. Granted, they didn't have to, but I get the impression they couldn't either. It seems like they brush off encryption as not worth trying to break in most situations, at least when they meet someone clearly IT competent, like me.

>>728003435
I never said state lawyers weren't necessary, but it's better to have the option to hire your own than to have a state lawyer forced upon you.

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>>727999036
Was it worth it? was it good puss?

How long will it stay on your record?

>>728003606
also forgot to ask how often did go to CP sites before?

>>728001456
I should add:

They want to monitor and check all files and everything everybody does on the internet, but of course they can't. So the vast majority of logs and such they simply will not read.

What they do is search for keywords in something like your facebook messages. Like "virgin" or "illegal". They then try to follow up on whatever people or conversations that turns up.

>>728001768
If I am a "criminal", it's kind of fascinating that nobody felt I had wronged them.

The girl testified in court that the only unpleasant thing about this was having to testify in court. She was forced to divulge the intimate details of her sex life and such, to try and shock the judge. Her own lawyer was an asshole.

>>728003842
Did anything that come up in courts surprise you.. example (i thought i deleted that) or i didnt save that on my pc.?

who saves anything on there pc really?

Also how rauchy was the CP you viewed.. What were you into?

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Haha sucks to be you OP

next weekend i will be railing a girl who just turned 15

>mfw it's legal here

>>727999036
who set you up?

how will you exact your revenge on this person?

>>728004040
Yes answer this too

>>728002140
>>728003842

>>728004080
>implying you get laid

>>728001942

> If you were just convicted, how come you are not in jail right now?

In Norway, there is what's known as a "soningskø" (a queue for doing time). It's quite absurd:

When you get arrested, you will quite possibly be locked up in "glattcelle" for a few days, as a way to make you confess things.

If the police feel you pose a continued threat, or they need you out of the way to investigate further, they will then lock you up in "varetekt" for a few weeks-months. That's basically jail without being convicted of anything yet. Some of the guys I spoke to in "varetekt" were there for half a year, 9 months or more. It's really frustrating, because you are just pulled out of your everyday life with no warning, and often with no way to tell people you won't be showing up for work, you have no way to pay your bills, etc..

Then you wait for months or YEARS for the trial to come up. After the trial and judgement, you wait for the ruling to be final. And even after that, you wait for months until there is a free cell in jail.

>>728001942

> How did the minor feel about it?

We were close friends up until my arrest. Then followed years of "investigation" where I probably wasn't supposed to talk to her, which was really painful actually.

In the last minute, her "bistandsadvokat" convinced her to ask for money. Basically, in Norway, you will be ordered to pay financial restitution even if the judge feels there's just a 50/50 chance of you being guilty, and not enough to convict you. So there's a lot of motivation for the supposed victim to exaggerate or lie about abuse. That's how the "bistandsadvokater" (assisting lawyers) make a living: Creating more conflict.

So yeah, she asked for about 10.000$, and with that came some claims that she wasn't the one taking initiative and whatnot...

Even so, the impression she gave of me in court was very good and favourable for me. The judges even concluded that she, now an adult, had taken no damage from this.

HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU GET NIGGA

>>728004040
the CP you viewed.. What were you into?

Are you politically right wing or left wing?

>>728004811
>The judges even concluded that she, now an adult, had taken no damage from this.

How much time did you get?

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>>727999036

>>728001942

> What is it like being interrogated by the police?

I could write a lot about this...

The norwegian method of interrogation is that the police pretend to be your friend. They will offer you coffee, they will apologize for the intimate questions, etc..

All the while there is a police attourney behind the mirror, just looking for new ways to ruin your life as much as possible, so he/she can get famous for punishing someone a lot.

They will only use women to interrogate you. At least that was very appearent in my case. The men hid behind the one way glass, and I only saw them occasionally. They might be hoping you will do something stupid as a "sex offender", or maybe women instill more trust. I don't know.

Also, they will NOT give you your rights. I had to insist on a lawyer, and thank god I did, because it helped a lot. They didn't want to tell me if I had the right to one, they didn't want to tell me how much it would cost (any lawyer is free if they hold you for over 48 hours), they didn't want me to have fair representation. The pretended to be concerned when I asked for one, saying "oooh... but then you have to go to the hole and stay there for a few days... :(". The things I heard from the other cells in solitary would shock you btw.

They also like to ask the same question again and again in different ways, hoping you will slip up and say something more.

They pretend to know something, and pretend that they want to help you by taking your confession so your punishment won't be as strick. In reality, they ask questions because they don't know, and they will continue to ask you to confess until you say there definitely that there is no more. THEN they will tell you some of what they know ("konfronterende fase"/confronting phase), and if you want to confess something, that's probably a much better time to do it.

>>728005478
Also, they clearly wanted me to "confess" that I was a pedophile... Naive people will probably think that shows love as a motivation, but it's just a way for them to increase the punishment.

Judges think of pedophiles and hebephiles as pathological criminals. You can get locked up for an unspecified amount of time (potentially life) if you say you are one. Thank god I didn't fuck this one up.

>>728005337
About a year.

Mind you, that is with heaps of knowledge and intelligence, the best of credentials (including from the supposed victims), top notch lawyers, police fuckups etc.. If I was just a regular bloke having consensual sex and saying stupid things, the police might have succeeded in blowing the case out of proportion, and I might have gotten years.

Op here. This is a lot to type. Is anyone reading this, or should I abandon thread?

>>728005890

Just answer >>728004040

>>728005890
are you gonna an hero??

>>728005890
I have a question. Do you know what life will be like for you when you get out? Are the consequences for employment/social ostracism worse than the year you will spend in jail?

Did anything that come up in courts surprise you.. example (i thought i deleted that) or i did'nt save that on my pc?

who saves anything on there pc really?

Also how raunchy was the CP you viewed.. What were you into?

>>728001942

> How does this influence your life?

It seriously sucks. I lost my girlfriend, lost custody of my children (even though they were in no way involved, and this happened before they were born), lost my job, lost contact with anyone who would be called to testify...

I can't work as a teacher or trainer anymore. And I havent' been able to take a job in the years waiting for the trial (not a good idea to go "on vacation" right after you get a new job, and I was always led to believe the trial was just around the corner).

My family was split in half over this, and basically torn apart. It's pretty ugly.

And I have to keep a low key talking about it, because I could seriously get murdered in jail if I'm known for talking about this (it happened to a sex offender just a few months ago).

Also, even worse, I lost TEN YEARS of personal data, work, etc.. All my memories and achievements. The police could hand it back, but it seems they won't bother, and they aren't required to. The laws are hopelessly outdated when it comes to this.

Also the strain of preparing for a trial, and the mental pressure of this ordeal, is enourmous. You're trying to prepare for anything, for the impossible, and have no clue what to expect or when. Just that it's going to suck. You think about it every day, and it really drains your spirit, waiting, and trying to prepare.

And this is just before the actual doing time. It feels like I've been in jail for years already, and some of the damage to my life is permanent. Very counter productive for the "justice" system I'd say.

what your relatives think about you now?

>>728001942
OP here. Going to pause this one and maybe return to it later, after I answer some of the original questions below.

>>728001947
Jo, jeg er norsk.

>>728006713
anything surprise you.. example (i thought i deleted that) or i did'nt save that on my pc?

who saves anything on there pc really?

Also how raunchy was the CP you viewed.. What were you into?

>>727999901
>A 15yo girl is practically a woman.
kill yourself faggot

>>728001983

>>But the way I got caught? I told someone.
>And they got jealous?

One of them pretended to be a professional just doing his work. He assured me that what I told him would be confidential, and would not damage me in any way. Then he went straight to the cops.

It was a clear abuse of his position, but the legal system in Norway is like: "It doesn't matter at all if this information was obtained in the wrong way, as long as we now know you did something illegal".

Having googled the guy, it seems like he himself has been accused of child sexual abuse. My guess is that the asshole tricked me to have something to tell the cops, hoping to cut a deal for himself.

The other person was a jealous girl, yes. She became furious when I ditched her.

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>>728004488
these laws
I've heard so little about norway
i wont wanna piss of the police there.
sounds like your life is instantly over.
good luck op

>>728006869
What has really surprised me is how weak the norwegian legal system is.

By that I mean:

> The police can raid pretty much anyone, they don't need a good reason. Nobody cares if it was politically motivated.

> Judges in general have NO CLUE about the subject matter. And there is no requirement that they do either. Prejudice is enough for them.

> Proof is not required at all, and evidence is not so important. The police will for example call witnesses that know nothing except what another witness told them, just to influence the judges emotionally.

> There is never any opportunity to go into detail about what the police consider "child porn". Out of thousands of images, they will choose maybe the 20 pictures most shocking to judges, and show them for shock effect. If you try to question their numbers or talk about what the judges actually see in the images, the judges will easily get upset at you. And you never get to see the full extent of what the police call "child porn", just a few examples.

> From the few examples I saw, I know for a fact that the police considered pictures of my 19 year old girlfriend "child porn", just because she had small tits. There was no chance of getting into details about that in court. Also, I had saved 2257 statements of a lot of porn, to prove that it was legal, just in case. Nobody cares. It's never an issue. What the police say is appearently law.

Man, there is so much that suprised me... Also how bad the "glattcelle" are, and how ridiculously outnumbered and underinformed you are when you are charged with something. A trial in Norway is designed to be a lynching.

As for "how did the cops know that" though? Nope. They generally have no clue. But what I have learnt is that they keep a huge database of shit ("tips") on the general population, and that they will pour enourmous resources into a case to blow it out of proportion.

>>728006021
To be honest, it's hard to picture my future if the cops really delete ALL my stuff. I mean, that's my life.

But I have kids now, so I'm trying to stay alive for them.

Also, after this, I can finally talk about everything. I lived for years scared of being busted for CP, which was a form of terror by the police (they design their operations to scare people with CP as much as possible). It is a burden off my shoulders now.

>>728001073
>you could go to jail just for seeing a parody cartoon of the Simpsons.

fuck off.

>>728000873

>15
>teach her to shave her muff

OP is a LARPING faggot.

>>728002807
You are wrong.

The police showed hardcore, uncensored child porn on the big screen, in an open court. According to my lawyer, who was very experienced, this is standard procedure. Anyone who wanted to stop by and watch, could. There were about 20 people in the room, including half my family and the "victim".

Seriously, they showed much worse stuff than I would voluntarily watch. If you have 20.000 images of hentai and 10 images of hurtcore, the police will show the hurtcore to shock the judges, and tell the judges you have 20.010 illegal pictures.

Also, they showed pictures that weren't illegal:

Zoosex for instance isn't illegal in Norway (at least, you won't get convicted for it, because it goes under the general porn law, which is a sleeping paragraph). However, they DID show pictures of bestiality in court, just to shock the judges. (Who seemed very conservative.)

Also, they showed non-sexual pictures, like one I recognized from a thread about self harm on 4chan. Put next to the picture of a naked child, the judges will start to create all kinds of horrible fantasies about what the story is, and you get no chance to refute that. The police couldn't even answer which folders the images were from.

They also showed legal BDSM with adults, again just to shock the judges.

It became pretty clear to me during all this that the police deep down inside understand that this is exchanged freely (no financial support or marked), and that the people in the images never notice if someone sees them. This is about "exposing and busting pedos", not about the images per se.

>>728002753
I'm not a pedo for sleeping with her... She had one of the biggest bushes I've seen, and had more sexpartners than I had at the time.

Also, I'm a b-tard. They could have found pretty much anything they wanted on my disks, including cooking recipies, religious texts, pirated computer programs with viruses or granny porn. It just so happens that CP is illegal, and the main focus of attention atm.

>>728008707
Haha,it seems that you never had underage pussy
By the way, I've been the same age at the time I ate that Muschi, she's been hairy.
Not unenjoyable hairy, but hairy. So no jail Norway. Pls, don't jail me

>>728009411

You fucking retard. you missed the point of my post.

15 year old girls don't have to be shown how to shave their pubic hair unless they're fucking retarded or were raised in a religious cult.

ITT: Larping faggots and underaged morons.

>>728002337
I see your point, but this was not the case for me.

I actually endured 2 days in the hole to get a lawyer from what I though was the best firm out there. The police interrogators wouldn't tell me this, but in Norway, as long as the lawyer will take your case, and the police hold you for over 48 hours, any lawyer is free for you.

The guy I got was good and talented, but he was a rookie. He slipped up. Both because he thought they would find out anyway (I doubt they would have), and because he thought the punishment would be 4-6 weeks in jail (he didn't know they had just raised the punishment to 6 months).

However, as it turns out, the case was turned upside down while i awaited trial: When I was busted, they were concerned about the sex, and CP was an additional detail. By the time I was convicted, there had been a few online newspaper articles with scary music about CP ("Nedlasterne", "Dark Room"...), so all of a sudden even proven fantasy chat was considered CP, and people were getting close to 2 years just for downloading/sharing CP.

In the end, the judges didn't care that much about the sex (that they acknowledged hadn't hurt anyone), and most of my punishment was for CP.

I just hope you know that you deserve this shit OP. Rot in hell.

Why would you fuck a kid when there are lots of 10/10 woman in Norway?

>>728009677
Maybe they have parents who didn't care fag?
ever thought that this is a thing?
Not every fag on here has mom who shows her tits for fap material at night nogger!

>>728002140
I think abuse should be illegal, and consensual sex should be legal, no matter what the age.

Unfortunately we have gotten a system with increasingly inflexible laws, and people are rewarded financially for creating as much drama and hostility as possible.

I know that in my case at least, 100% of the human suffering (and there has been a lot of it) came because the police decided to make a case of of this.

>>728010106

>thinking parents show young teenage girls how to shave their vaginas

You really are an out of touch autist, aren't you?

Girls start shaving their poons around 12/13 nowadays. Same time as they start watching porn.

You faggots are seriously retarded.

OP is a lying.

Courts do not show images or videos of hardcore porn.

Underaged retards ITT.

>>728002307
I knew they would find CP.

Basically: If I had followed a strict practice of encryting all CP with VeraCrypt, with a strong password, on a microSD card, and hid that well... There is no way in hell they would have busted me.

However, my situation was the opposite:

I had loads of harddrives and pretty much no control or overview of what was on them. I just knew I'd downloaded loads of stuff from the shadiest places on the internet over the years. Confessing CP was a given.

However, helping them unlock my laptop was optional. I thought it would help my case to show cooperation, but it did not. Instead, they tried to use the chat logs this gave them against me, and by the time of the trial the cops didn't even remember that the screen had been locked (or so they said).

>>727999036
Are you a Muslim or a "refugee"?

>>727999036
What now, OP?

We are with you. Be strong!

Did you actually download it to your computer (HDD) or did the evidence also contain images that you 'looked at' (and technically downloaded to view) online?

>>727999036
>Ask someone who just got convicted of sex with a minor + child porn in Norway anything.

are you a swedish nigger ?

>>728010366
No, they do not. I guess it depends on the culture, but in Europe only the "mean girls" or the sexual advanced around 13 would shave their pussy. I'm quite sure that almost the rest would not shave untill they have their first "serious" boyfriend, around 15/16.

>>728003305
I'm not going to go into details about where.

But I can document that they sat on the tips for years, and right about the time I started to criticize Kripos in public, they started following up on them. Like I said, they keep a large database of shit on people.

The police repeatedly changed their story about this, and even made a false claim about where the tips originated. I believe this is called "alternative evidence construction" or something when cops do it in USA to hide NSA sources. Whatever was going on, the cops clearly weren't comfortable talking about this.

The judges didn't give a shit about this though. Considering that political persecution is bad, the division that should exist between executing/legislative (political)/judicial power etc., was clearly way over their heads.

>>728010874
true

>>728010366
Fuck you man. I'm not underage, I'd have clicked decline then faggot
They're aren't showing them how to, but they tell them to shave virgin spastic

>>728010874

Nah, you're a moron.

>>728009677
Not op but a lot of women don't really figure out how to operate their unit for a while. 20+ it will be shaved and clean, but it's not uncommon for younger girls to have a lot of stubble and not be the freshest.

>>728003451

I got some on dropbox nigga

meet me on omegle under the interest cheeld peen

say cheeseburger when you connect Ill hook you up

>>728011038

You're clearly under 18.

You shouldn't be on this website.

>>728011101
I'm sorry to destroy your fantasy.

>>728011115

You must interact with some disgusting whores of they don't groom until their 20s.

Serious amount of autists in this thread.

>>728003449
It was emberassing, and unusual according to my lawyer, but it happened.

In Norway, the first line of courts (unless you appeal) has one professional judge, and two "meddommere" (which are just normal people, who have volunteered and then been chosen in a lottery).

I got the feeling of a religious cult where people cry over the crucifiction of christ or something. It was creepy. Clearly the judges had strongly associated "child porn" with "bad" in their minds, and were just waiting to release it. To be honest I think they would have cried just from seeing young, smiling girls in bikinis, and in part they did just that.

>>728011204

Are you OP?

If so, you're the biggest LARPing fantasist on /b/ right now.

Post evidence of your case, you fucking faggot or GTFO.

>>728011456
Sorry, I'm not OP.

>>728011190
Fuck of dude, I'm 21
I don't have to prove anything to a after birth like you, but you can believe me. I have no reason to lie fag

Hey OP i'm a sex offender as well here in the states. I don't know how the SOR treats you in Norway, but here it is a highway of Hell, lemme tell ya.

>>728003451
The actual CP I had gotten via onion sites, Freenet/Frost and in the old days eMule (which is very risky now, since the cops have programs to spy on all searches/shares on eMule).

However, the vast majority of what the cops categorized as illegal was from the normal web: Teen selfies from 4chan threads, hentai/lolicon, 3D cartoons, porn TGPs with soft filters so the models look young, non-sexual nudism pictures... Even pictures of my adult girlfriend were labeled CP, as I said.

>>728011347
yeah the prosecutors will do that in these days and times. did it during my trial as well. A lot of the prosecutors these days take these cases in hopes of upping their political profile. not because they actually care.

>just busted for CP and sex with a minor
>posting about it on 4chan

How do you retarded faggots fall for this shit?

>>728011633
Usenet and some of the old old PnP networks used to be the shit back in the late 90's early 00's. Freenet and Frost is getting overrun with Ddos'ers recently

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>>728010977

go to omegle type cheeld peen and then when youre in type cheeseburger, I'll hook ya up

>>728011733
I posted real things many times on /b/, just to get them out of my chest. Everything is supposed to be false here, so i'ts a good way.

>>728003744
It was good puss! :)

No idea how long it will stay on my record... With the political climate in Norway atm, the CP seems to be the part that upsets people the most, even though it's actually the most common (and I never hurt anyone by finding and seeing it).

In the future I'll have to choose between going public with this to enlighten people, or to just not speak about it and hoping it goes away. Fortunately, not everybody is allowed to demand a police record in Norway, but more and more people are allowed to.

With new laws (straffeloven 2005), I could have been banned from certain jobs for life, as part of the punishment. Fortunately I wasn't. So it's kind of "don't ask, don't tell", and I just hope it never becomes an issue.

>>728011942
>I posted real things many times on /b/

-Anonymous, 2017

>>728011733
buddy you have no idea do you? Pedophiles, hebephiles and the poor sucker who gets in trouble for fucking his girlfriend are everywhere. we don't just sit in mummy's basement and whine about our lives to the wall ya know.

>>728011891
I don't want cheese pizza, thanks fbi m80.
I like my pussy mature

>>728011891
nah i don't go anywhere on the original web. I ain't stupid. I didn't survive after getting out this long by being stupid.

>>728012147
I'm just on omegle /b/ro.

>>728012058

He hasn't provided a shred of evidence so far, you retarded fuck.

>>728012018
so basically you had no CP and they faked the charge in hopes of getting more time? Jeez and i thought USA was corrupt with this shit. Reminds me of what happened to a friend of mine.

>>728012222
if he did he would be a moron. I have been on the SOR for over 15 years. You never post such delicate info online unless you want to be attacked or have your house burned down.

>>728012220
Yeah, I believe you. But I'm that guy who looks out for granny videos
I'd like to fuck my neighbor raw, and I think she'd like it too. But I don't want anyone to know of it.
Help /b/?

>>728004080
It's illegal in Norway since the 90s. But legal just across the border in Sweden, or in Denmark.

It baffles me how people still manage to believe the age of consent law in their country is the God given truth about what constitutes abuse. I guess Swedes must be quite different from Norwegians, since the same exact action would be fine if we were Swedes...

Looking at the numbers though, as far as I recall about 1/3 of girls have sex before they turn 16 here, and it's been stable like that for a long while. They are fucking someone, usually someone older... So my guess would be most of this is never percecuted. I fucked up by talking about it, and I was appearently targeted because I critiziced the police and they wanted to shut me up. Then again, I read they've started involving Kripos (norwegian wannabe-FBI) when kids are caught playing doctor with eachother, so it's getting pretty absurd.

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>>727999901
this. at what age does a female body stop changing, around 13 right?

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>>728001768
>2 people agree to something
>LOCK ONE OF THEM UP
?????????

General information for everyone here (if it has not been said before)

Never talk to the police. Talking to the police WILL NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER HELP YOU. I can only make things worse.

You have the right to remain silent, so so.

For those interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

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>>728009089
fucking witch hunt man. god damn.

>>728004998
Answer this you pedo fuck

>>727999036
How often did the police beat you for being a pedophile?

>>728009089
jesus they weren't that bad at my trial.

>>728012914
basically it is a witch hunt. A witch hunt that soothes the public and gives them a pacifier and a blankie to sleep with at night. The SOR laws in America are unconstitutional and everyone knows that.

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>>728011633
How did you get busted OP?

Did you encrypt your disk?

Dont you have a right to be silent in norway. I mean it is pretty usefull in a lot of cases

>>728004212

The two people... They almost make me wish there was a hell so they could burn in it.

The guy who abused his trusted work position seems to be an asshole in general. I can try to report him to his employer, and see if that gets him fired, but I suspect he's already fired and in jail for child sexual abuse.

The jealous bitch... Well, when people find out what she's done they'll hate her, and if she ever truly realizes it she will hate herself. I suspect she will end up a bitter, overly nervous state feminist though, and sadly there's not much I can do about it.

If I was a real criminal, I guess they would be physically injured by now. The suffering they've caused is immense, and I'm strong and intelligent enough that I could get to them if that was what I wanted. But I'm not a real criminal, and I've never been violent, so that's not an option at all. That would be pure emotional outburst, it wouldn't help with anything, and I know that all too well, so I wouldn't be able to bring myself to use violence. I just want to get this over with. I want people to know what they've done though. I want people to know the full story.

>>728012908
this this and this!

Also if you are going to collect anything illegal in your country place it on a exterior drive such as a flash drive or external hard drive. only delete using specialized programs.

>>728013208
>The guy who abused his trusted work position
Are we talking about a psychologist?

well this thread is just about dead. i hope you post again one day OP.

>>728013182
I answered the question about how I got busted already: I told someone I trusted about this in general terms, and they went to the police.

No, I had not encrypted my disks. If I had (and turned the computer off), I would probably never have been sentenced to jail. They might have tortured me with isolation for a few days in an effort to make me hand over the passphrase as I waited for my lawyer I guess, or even confiscated the drives (even though they shouldn't be allowed to). But from what I've seen, they wouldn't be able to crack something like TrueCrypt or VeraCrypt. I am not aware of any law that punishes you for not remembering a password in Norway.

I'm sure a three letter agency could root my box and keylog the password, but they would have a hard time justifying their involvement in court. Then again, judges are morons, so they would probably believe the cops cracked the encryption... But it would take resources and targeting anyway. I've seen nothing to indicate that they had anything like that on me. To the contrary, I was surprised at how they had to ask me for every single password. They even used the standard "Download a copy of my personal data" feature from Facebook, after I handed them my Facebook and e-mail passwords. They didn't contact Facebook directly at all. There are different levels of technical competence among the cops, and the girl who went through my Facebook conversations seemed to have pretty much no clue about technical stuff.

You have to realize: One thing is what the NSA can do to bin Laden. Another thing is which cops investigate a child porn case.

>>728013504
I've decided to answer this:

No, he was a journalist for a respected publication.

>>728012914
Op here. Thx :)

>>728014326
Fuck man... you basically convicted yourself.

Not encrypting drives was dumb.... but giving them all the passwords? You don't need to give them shit! They're not you're fucking friends man, these people tried to destroy your life.

>>728014315
Op here:

I feel like I'm writing so much that it's getting boring, and still I'm not through half the questions... I appreciate the interest though. :)

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>>728014326
Thank you for telling your story.

>>727999036
Kindly elaborate on
>how bad it is and how far detached it is from reality
In particular
How young was the girl you had sex with?
How old were the girls in your porn stash?

(I find it galling that in many jurisdictions photographs of naked seventeen-year-olds are considered "child pornography". It wasn't like that even in the 1960s, when things were really retarded.)

>>728014480
Or either he hated your guts or nothing happens in Norway, you should just move to Mexico or something there is been 53 homicides in a week.
Read on the news that there is not even space in the morgue we could go over there and be the best reporters.
You start a new life same as me.

>>728008629
This seriously happened.

>>728014660
keep going then. you have my support. Just know that there are people out there who know what you are going through.

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I'm actually a bit torn regarding muslims. On one hand they are batshit crazy and want to kill all non-muslims, but on the other they bring acceptance of young love. I still haven't really settled on an opinion of them.

>>728014639
Absolutely. But I knew they would find CP unencrypted, and I had confessed the sex, so... Also, I believe they could have gotten a search warrent for Facebook, it's just a pain in the ass for them to get it that way. And while they waited, they could probably have kept me locked up.

The police used a program called "Netclean". Basically, it scans and hashes all imagefiles on your drive, and compares the hashes to a database which is shared in many European countries.

I had so many images (hundreds of thousands) that it would take ages to go through it all, but the program they use flags illegal files for them automatically. Unfortunately, their definition of "illegal" is very wide, and there is literally no public oversight, by the very intention of the law. If I was just a normal bloke, knowing what I now know, I would be scared shitless. You might have "CP" on your machine, and not even know it.

In addition to this, the cops will use a program that searches for skin, and manually try to label what they consider "sexualizing children". A lot of screenshots from pop culture, like the video for Chandelier by Sia, would undoubtedly fall into that category. As would cartoon parodies. If two or three cops around the globe mark the same image as CP, it goes into the global database as CP, and will be flagged automatically by NetClean and similar programs in the future. They never investigate who the model is, and her real age, in advance. In Norway, it isn't even required that the model is underage for it to be illegal. Anything that the cops think "sexualizes children" is illegal.

Anyway, I knew they would find CP, so I just cooperated.

Helping them unlock my screen though, which gave them chatlogs: That turned out to be a mistake.

Also, in retrospect, I worry about how many other people might be persecuted because they confessed a fantasy or something. The cops went into my Skype account and deleted all my contacts before they released me from prison.

>>727999036
Hvordan har du det?

>>728015817

I should add that the programs cops use to scan your drives also include automatically genereted thumbnail files (like thumbs.db), and temporary internet files (that can be too small to make out any detail, but that doesn't stop the cops).

This means that they count the image, the smaller thumbnail of the same image, and maybe a smaller thumbnail of the same image... They then report the number of "illegal files", and they add a comment like "subtract 10%, because there might be duplicates". Judges lack the techical competence to question that stuff, and it seems like they don't care anyway. If you are "exposed" as having child porn, everything else is details for them.

>>728015817
did they see your trap folder ? or calling everyone a faggot or newfag ?
stuff like that ?
or you posting un cuck threads ?

>>728015817
or calling people jews and niggers ?

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How come you are online? Shouldn't you be held? Can you run away?

>>728015123
Thanks!

Means a lot to hear that. It's not easy to talk about this with people, and in many ways I have to carry and comfort those around me (who suffer too, mostly from worrying about what will happen to me, and being dragged through a legal process).

>>728016414
They really don't give a shit. Really, they do not care. Don't think that they will go into details about your life, individual files and all your circumstances, because they do not care.

They will find something they think can shock the judges, show it to the judges, and that's it. Case done.

>>727999901
>>728012608
Wow. There are some genuinely creepy fucks in this thread.

>>728016604
yeah. this type of thing really hurts your family the most.

>>727999036
Have you ever asked anyone

If you could taste their nuts ?

https://youtu.be/27-VPfFj7_k

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>>728016875
excuse me but you don't even know me. im just a regular guy, you wouldnt be able to tell me from your brother. in fact your brother might be attracted to 13 year olds and you are absolutely clueless. i bet you've been attracted to them too at one point or another without even thinking about age, sicko.

>>728017135
I think I really would let this guy to take care of my 12 yo sister

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>>727999709
>The girl I fucked was 15.

>>727999036
in norway
just claim to be muslim then its just your culture

>>728016531
I don't think even the police ever though I was a threat to anyone... Even though they tried to ram my door in, carrying handguns. To them, my case is just a trophy. Maybe it was something they hoped they could turn into a bigger case, so they could get in the newspapers as "heroes".

In theory I could run away. I spoke to people in jail who had done that. By the way, I met people who were 15 in jail. Appearently, they are old enough to be held accountable for criminal actions, just not when it comes to deciding if they want to have sex... Consensual sex is horrible, locking them up with hardened killers and strongmen to have that as their youth is fine... Great logic. Some of the people I met had spent most of their adult life in jail. And then you get a phonecall from the police, telling you to show up and do some more time? I can easily understand why people are reluctant.

But I would just prolong my own suffering, get a stricter punishment, and loose the ability to prepare. I am so tired of this shit... I just want to survive the ordeal without being raped, beaten or threatened too much, hopefully things will be alright on the outside when I get back, and then I can move on with my life. I am so tired of this stuff. So tired.

Ok, OP, how did/has the case/conviction thus far affected your personal relationships? family life, friends? how do they see you now? Are you shunned or accepted by those closest to you?

>>728016926
My kids are suffering from missing their dad, my girlfriend and mom are suffering from worrying, the "victim" is suffering from loosing her friend and feeling guilt...

This is not about protecting children. It's just a load of prejudice and shit. I endured much worse stuff during the first 12 hours in solitary confinement, than I have ever done to anyone.

>>728017809
I know this is cliché topic, but, aren't you scared of what other people in jail do to those who are charged of "rape" or similiar? even low-tier rape cases are considered as the worst fucking infraction letting to others criminal to harm you
Are you generally afraid of what can happen?

>>728012908
Dis is the truth.

>>728017809
Yeah OP watch your ass seriously, I once heard how two guys got raped with a broom at the same time, and how some jail guards got two probably rapists to fuck each other it was the gayest thing ive ever seen they were even calling each other come see this.

>>728017702
Like i wrote earlier (wall of text, I know), my family was torn in two.

Part of my family will not allow me near their children, they talk shit about me, they do not want me in family get-togethers, and so on.

The other part is supportive, and pissed at the part that rejects me.

As for friends, I've never had problems getting girlfriends (thank god I'm not ugly, or I'm sure I would have been punished more severely). But it's a huge burden on them to know about this, even though they support me, of course. And like I said, I lost the one I had.

One thing that surprised me, is how some trusted people will stab you in the back. There was this one girl who I once had a fling with, who I thought was really cool, and trusted. She was interrogated, because the people were looking for more shit. I read the interrogation, and to my surprise, the fucking bitch tried to make me sound like a sex maniac, almost liable to rape people. I mean, she had no reason to, she just did, because the cops invited her to. I'm guessing she was trying to distance herself from the fact that we were lovers, which she conveniently left out, but it didn't even take any direct accusation about her for her to stab me in the back preemptively. Luckily, the cops got nowhere with it, but what a bitch. I can easily see how some people are unfairly accused of stuff they didn't do.

>>728018510
pics or didn't happen

>>727999036
Norwayfag here. Which prison are you going to? Got friends who have been to ILA, and they hunt pedos there, also guards dont give a shit cause everybody hates pedos :)

>>727999036
Are you Jan Helset? the guy that 4chan outed on social media for cp a while back??

that guy raped a 15 yr old girl. anyways, whatever you guys do to justify cp in your circlejerk, deep down you know you are devolutionary scum. KYS

>>728018071
Of course.

I've thought a lot about this. Basically, inmates are like normal people. They have no special understanding of all crime, they have prejudice like everybody else. More likely to be violent though...

Also, people convicted of sex crimes are often naive and "weak". They don't have the criminal mindset, and they don't have a gang. So they are easy pickings when someone is looking for a pusharound, or when a torturists wants to feel good about himself for beating someone up.

I'll just try to stay low key. And should someone punch me, I have to punch back. A lot of people there seem to always be on the lookup, the walls have ears, and there is no escape. I don't get the feeling that the guards have control inside. Especially when you're in the yard getting air, or walking in a long hall to the excercise room, I can easily see how things can happen. Also, I heard some people have been jumped or kidnapped on their way out from jail, but it was revenge for real criminal stuff... I'll play it smart and do my best. Luckily, Norway is not the worst country for this stuff, so violence and rape SHOULD be avoidable.

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>This whole thread

Damn, I hate me for many different reasons but why going to such lenghty shit to jail a stupid fucker that doesn't torture and actually rape children is beyond retarded.

>>728018958
Not going to go into specifics. (And I'm not a pedo...)

>>728019249

I never raped anyone, and I'm not going to get into specifics.

>>727999901
This. Mother Mary was 14 when God fucked her

>>728015915
Kan ikke si jeg har det bra, men det finnes heldigvis masse folk som er glade i meg. Jeg vil ikke la meg knekke.

>>727999036
Norwfag also.
I spend some months at Tunga, protip: Lie about your conviction n keep your head low. You might get to do some hard time others found out of your cp conviction.

>>728006643
I dont think I caught it, how much jail time and how much probation time did you get?

How do the jails in your country work with good time etc?

Are you being sent to a 'medium' facility? Low? holding jail?

Do you register after prison as a Sex Offender?

Is this info publicly available? If so, for how long?

In the end, all you can do is do your time and move on, there will be sick fucks who get off on hurting others who will use your past crimes as an excuse to try to hurt you. Be prepared to defend yourself.

But if your former job was as a teacher or trainer, You probably won't be employable in that field.

Elvis Presley was fucking a 14 year old when he was 24. 14 is a woman i don't give a fuck what the jews are teaching today

>>728015029
And the insanity continues:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/manga-anime-fans-warned-after-british-man-convicted-possessing-cartoon-child-porn-1471040

>>728015029
Cartoon parodies constituted many, if not most, of the blacklisted sites from the list leaked on Wikileaks of sites blocked by the norwegian (Kripos) DNS child porn filter.

Also, I saw them used as examples of "illegal" in my case.

Don't think this law is reasonable and rational, because it's not.

>>728014909
Thank you for reading :).

tfw 19 and got a 15 year old gf i fuck everytime we meet
tfw its legal in germany

So op lemme ask u a question:

I never download anything but i have visited librechan before. Used to go about once a day (i know if u view something technically it downloads)

All of this has been done from my cellphone which is encrypted. If i got raided, would all i have to do is destroy the phone and SD to be legit? Did they hit your ISP up? I still visit some teen threads but i never download just view. Thanks

>>728013208
> get ratted on for being pedo
> im clearly not the asshole

hahaha, god damn you people are insane. If this is a troll, its a good one, if its not, you are fucking insane. Stop legitimizing pedophilia you sick fuck. There is for a reason that what you call consent is what Psychology, medisin and the law call rape. you cannot possibly know more. Stop making yourself the victim of a "witchhunt". also, if you truly believe this shit, please argument your cause on facebook or something.

Kill yourself. The world does not need pedophiles

>>727999036
I'm currently with GF who is above age of consent but under 18 where I live. Is there anything law breaking about that?

>>727999036
What bullshit will you tell to avoid getting rekt by the inmates if they ask you why are you in?

Or they never ask that? like inmate etiquette or some shit like that.

>>728014921
15, like I said. She turned 16 while we were together. Very mature for her age.

The porn stash was basically anything you could imagine. I saved stuff in huge swoops, including files I personally found disgusting. The relative amount of hurtcore was very small though. It was mostly just lolicon, teens, etc.. Some famous non-hurtcore CP like LS-magazine, Vicky... I've never been into hurtcore in particular, and the worst they found on my pc was probably rekt threads from 4chan (but that is of course not illegal, so it was never an issue...).

>>728015817
>hashes to a database

ummm...what's in that database?

did they roast you for fairly innocuous stuff like candydoll or did you have some really heinous shit?

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>>727999036
Hey Lolita hey

>>727999036
so you have pictures of hurtcore, but you are not a pedo? deepshit denial right here. genuinely hope your cellmates figure out why you are serving time

>>727999036
hahaha, din stygge dritt! håper du blir drept i fengsel. dette er så sykt fortjent

>>728002307
>>728001996

Cooperating is almost never in your best interest, but the police very much want you to believe it is, because the burden of proof is on them to convince people that you're guilty, and to get the evidence they need, they usually need you to fuck up first to give them cause for search.

Should have kept your mouth shut and said that other people have used your hard drives in the past, that you have no idea what is on it. Would have given you a fighting chance.

What was jail time like for you? Like did you get Raped?

>>728020238
Encrypt
Don't need to destroy just do a factory reset

What are you Hillary Clinton

>>728000131
In other words you had kiddie porn.

>>728020238
Plz answer this

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>>727999036


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ENJOY JAIL YOU COLOSSAL FAGGOT

Meanwhile, I fucked and deflowered a 16 year old girl when I was 17, thats when I lost my virginity.

And guess what? I am an upstanding member of european society, even told my buddies a few time over some BEERS at age 17 (yep, legal) about my experience, they called me a neckbeard because they had their first sex a year or so before I did.

tl;dr:

in my european country I am a cool guy, in your european country and in the usa you get your ass hole stretched by jamal in jail.

>>727999709
>The girl I fucked was 15
Story?

>>728001942

> What are the investigative and court processes like?

I think this is the last one I haven't at least partially answered, so here goes:

The process is ridiculously unfair.

They take all your drives, so even if you have proof of something, you can't get to it. Some people are even locked up avaiting trial, which makes it even more hopeless to prepare. Those guys don't even know what's going on.

You can see the police investigation documents, but only if you get an appointment with your lawyer, and read it all at his office. These documents can easily amount to thousands of pages, and you never know what they will confront you with or ask you about. Also, the police seem quite happy to leave out important documents, with no negative consequence to them if they are caught red handed.

When you get to court, you sit alone with your defence attorney. On the other side of the room is the police lawyer, and all supposed victims, each with their own support lawyer (who is there to raise conflict and make things look bad so you will be forced to pay more money). Even in a simple case like mine, my lawyer was outnumbered two to one.

The police will call loads of witnesses, possibly including ones who know nothing about the case first hand, but who might talk shit about your character in one way or another. The police lawyer also has the entire police force in his/her back. Police will be called as witnesses, and they have the trust of the judges. It will be hard for you to get witnesses that the judges can trust, and usually you will have fewer witnesses.

And another thing: The "victims" will be allowed to see the whole trial, even before they have testified to the judge. If there are more victims they can collaborate, watch eachother testify and make plans together with their support lawyer(s). You, on the other hand, can't talk to any of them beforehand.

It's really not playing fair.

So this guy basically had an archive of stuff that included CP, and thats not even why he was busted.

>>728019249
>Are you Jan Helset?
Can't be. That dude writes in nynorsk and seems to be generally confused. OP seems more with it.

Why did you feel like you had to horde illegal pics??? Also bumping to get my question answered

>>728009677
Every girlfriend I've ever had since I was a teenager didn't start shaving until we started having sex. Two of them even asked me if I wanted them to start shaving now that we were having sex.


I only had one girl that already shaved, and that's because she had a girlfriend when she was like 13 in middle school that she had sex with before.


Not shaving until you're sexually active is not uncommon in the least dude.


OP- thank you for this thread, this is simultaneously enlightening and infuriating. I don't agree with what you did, but this shows just how fucked the legal system can steam roll you once you become a target. It's fucked.

>>728021904
actually you sound like a fucking loser by european standards.

>>728002953
>pedobear was the logo of a known pedophile network.
OMG, you can't much more clueless than that.

>>728020968
The worst was solitary confinement (glattcelle), which they used before I knew anything about the case, to keep me while I waited for a lawyer, and obviously to get me to confess.

They might have a book for you or a magazine, if you're lucky, but that's not much.

There is a steel toilet with no lid that stinks in the corner, next to a drinking fountain that will stop working if you press it too much. Other than that: Concrete walls, food through an opening in the door, and a hard shelf to sleep on with a plastic madrass.

You end up walking back and forth in your little confined space for hours and hours, trying to count the seconds so they will pass, and trying to keep your mind active. A day is a LONG while to walk back and forth in a room with literally nothing to do. In the end, I began throwing myself at the walls just to feel something, as I heard others do as well. On day three I broke down, and lay on the floor like a baby, crying. I don't get how people can survive this for years, although I know some live it. It must seriously damage them mentally.

The nights were chilly, and the days were moist and hot. In the corner of the room was a camera, watching your every move. You end up longing for a glimpse of the sky, or even just leaving the cell for court.

People around you scream and hurt themselves, and you constantly hear the guards threaten prisoners so they won't kill themselves. They say they will take all your clothes etc.. The highlight of my stay was when I figured out how I could actually kill myself. That meant there's a way out. I know now that a lot of people kill themselves in there each year, and it doesn't surprise me.

The other, "normal" jail was better, but scary as fuck.It definitely changes your mentality, and disconnects you from normal society. You have no way to lock up your personal belongings btw, so say goodbye to privacy. Most of my day was spent watching tv, which you can rent for 5 kr. a day.That TV is important.

>>728021904
you seem like a fucking asshole tbh.

>>728011330
I have no idea what you're on about. Some girls shave when they're in high school, but LOTS of girls don't shave until they start having sex.


Do you think that the day they get hair they instantly start shaving or something?

>>728007083
It must be sad no one wanted to fuck you in hs
>just joking you are an idiot

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>>728020510
Thanks. I asked those questions without reading through the thread because /b/ has a half-life of twenty minutes, who knew you would set a record with four hours?

What you have described is not unique to Norway. Sexual "deviance" as a tool for keeping people in line appears to have generalized throughout the world. Julian Assange is wanted for "rape" because he outed the CIA, for heaven's sake.

We are seeing the abuse of individual human rights on an enormous scale. This abuse continues because no one has tried to challenge it: the UN Commissioner for Human Rights will not go against the governments who pays his salary.

The people who are doing this have gotten away with it simply by isolating every one of their victims. Ole Anonsson can't challenge the legitimacy of the law any more than Joe Six-Pack can. We need to make common cause to get these laws overturned country by country.

The organizations that I am aware of are gringo-centric, for examples:
http://famm.org/affected-families/child-pornography-sentences/
http://rutherford.org/issues
But I expect that we would have better luck by applying the legal tactics of those organizations against the legal systems of smaller countries first. Sort of like how the metric system was introduced…

>>728023266
Is rape a thing in prison? And do you have to share cells?

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> Is 30
> Busted for having sex with 15 year old
> Has genuine CP in archive.

> THE SYSTEM IS UNFAIR.

>>728023201
I know... I had many "are you fucking shitting me?" moments, reading police theories in their documents at my lawyers office.

The scary part is judges are even more clueless. In my case they had never heard of anime, and they believed there was a "piracy industry" making billions from p2p. They're stuck in the mindset of processing photographic films it seems.

>>727999036
Your isp is now legally allowed to do whatever it wants with your data http://www.ipanon.com

>>728023647
are there any places where you can read the police's theories on such matters? Like do they have reports or training materials assembled?

>>728023665
Accept OP is from Norway not a giant uneducated cheeseburger.

>>728023543
Some have to share cells now. The politicians have just upped the sentences with no end in sight for the last 20 years or so, and the prisons are getting overcrowded. Fortunately, I didn't have to. That would suck. The times when my celldoor was locked was the only time when I felt relatively safe, but you have no control over when that door will be opened or closed when you exit the cell for something. That was bad enough.

I never witnessed rape, but then again I didn't stay in there long. And this is Norway, not USA. To tell you the truth, I think consensual gay sex is a bigger thing than rape in norwegian prisons, even for heterosexual males. Just VERY taboo to talk about for obvious reasons (though guys..:), so I only heard hints of it among the others. I mean, all these peope who have been locked up since youth need some release.

I know rape has happened, because I read about a case involving prison rape as revenge, but I think it's comperatively rare in Norway. The nurse and guards that I talked to about this in jail completely dismissed it, and said the worst thing they had ever seen was a broken nose. But they also strongly discouraged me from telling other inmates about my case.

>>728023581
I wasn't 30 at the time you schmuck...

The case was already ancient when the police decided to make a case out of it, and the girl definitely didn't want any case. The police didn't give a shit what she wanted, they tried to build the worst case possible anyway.

Long story short: I never hurt anyone, and nobody even claimed I did in court.

>>728024207
So what did you tell them you were in for?

>>727999036
How old was the person whose life you destroyed?

>se people need to know this stuff so it can be fixed

So what can be fixed ? You ?

>>728024573
Yo, could you please return back to tumblr? OK, thnx!

>>728023266
Are you able to tell us how much time you got? Both inside and for probation?

Also Im unfamiliar with your country's laws. Do you have to register as a sex offender, and is it for life?

>>728024573
Did you even read the thread? She was 14 almost 15 and was friends with OP. She feels guilty that she's (part of) the reason OP is going to jail for a year.

Even after all these years I'm continually surprised at the complete retardation of the Puritans on 4chan. People who were getting laid at 14-15 are pretty rare here apparently.

>>728023665
I am more concerned about cops watching 4chan, because I know some do. But this case is done and over, and I confessed to everything I did, so it shouldn't make a big difference.

By the way, cops also have fake profiles in chat rooms. They like to go to chat.no with nicks like "Mommy30", hoping they will trick you into telling them some stupid fantasy. Similarly for other websites, particularly chatrooms. You should always assume people there could be cops, and that the website admins will cooperate with cops if they are asked to, because usually they will (and some VPNs will too, as in the notorious case of HideMyAss exposing Lulsec). Leaving too much of an information trail is generally unwise if you don't want negative attention.

>>728024387
Thats not the point though, you cant get annoyed or say it was unfair, because you got caught with CP and obviously have a lot to do with CP. Its like getting caught with getting stopped for a broken tail light and the police finding a body in the boot of the car. You cant blame over zealous traffic laws.

>>728024523
Not going to get into specifics.

>>728024760
>Do you have to register as a sex offender
Not OP, but I can answer this one. No they don't register sex offenders. Only thing is, he will be in a register for cops and possibly harassed if some kid gets raped near wherever he lives.

>>728025004
ok, but who told you what you should tell inmates you are in for? Did guards help you?

>>727999901
>A 15yo girl is practically a woman.
it depends
and you have to draw the line somewhere
personally i'd draw it at 21 at least

How old were the girls that you watced on CP?

>>728023266

You end up walking back and forth in your little confined space for hours and hours, trying to count the seconds so they will pass, and trying to keep your mind active. A day is a LONG while to walk back and forth in a room with literally nothing to do. In the end, I began throwing myself at the walls just to feel something, as I heard others do as well. On day three I broke down, and lay on the floor like a baby, crying. I don't get how people can survive this for years, although I know some live it. It must seriously damage them mentally.

The best way to make the time pass is to set a routine. Usually you would have access to a book or magazine cart, this would be how you spend most of your time. and a commissary for pen and paper or playing cards. Otherwise just exercising. Pushups or burpees. Thatt'll shave off an hour or 2.

This is in the US system though.

>>728024760
Nah, there is no sex offender registry here. The press has gotten worse at lynching-type identity outing in recent years, but generally it's taboo and considered very irresponsible/unethical.

Realistically though: I was friends with the "victim", and we probably will be friends in the future. I might go public with the story sometime just to let people know how unfair the laws are being applied. I know mine is not the only case like this.

>>728000131
>I just said I had once had a girlfriend who turned 16 while we were together, and that it was consensual. Two assholes went to the police with that information. They had no names or dates or anything. And still no charge of CP. Still it was enough for them to conduct a raid on my house, with armed police.
norway, ladies and gents.

>>728025020
Op here. This is accurate.

>>728012277
Tell us what happend you your """friend"""

>>728025262
21 age of consent? Are you serious?

>>728025290
Your account sounds like a film and not very accurate.

>>728025262
Why?

Why do you have to draw the line at a particular age?

Why can't you just consider if it was abuse or not? My case would have been clear cut: It wasn't.

Any particular age will have exceptions from the general rule, whether it's 12 or 21. And both 12 and 21 are actively being used as ages of consent around the world by the way, which should tell you a lot.

Some laws forbid sex outside of marriage, for much the same reason that we have age of consent: Feelings get hurt, there might be trickery and manipulation, you might be exploited, there may be undesired after-effects like a child you aren't ready for...

To us, it's obvious that requiring marriage is a faulty law. But so is age of consent.

>>728025290
The clock on the wall was off, so I had trouble telling what time it was.

Also, I had no pencil, because people would hurt themselves with that where I was. A book or a magazine was my reward for being an exemplary prisoner. The first day I was there, I even had trouble getting toilet paper for when I had to take a shit.

Plus there was a lot of extra stress from worrying, not knowing what I was in for, trying to prepare, etc..

But yeah, I suppose that's good advice. Appreciate it.

>>728024979
So if you've saved an ISIS video from 4chan, you should be punished as a terrorist? Is that what you're saying?

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>>728001613
how is it torture? i never understand that
cant a man meditate and have fun with his thoughts and imagination?

>>728026175
What way did you figure you could kill yourself in there?

>>728026350
A man can, but a man also loses track of the time. Doesn't know when he will get out. And doesn't get out a lot. One thing is meditating when you feel like. Another is being placed in a small space and left to meditate indefinately.

-(Not op)

>>728026348
No you fucking idiot, I'm saying if youre stupid enough to save archives of CP then you shouldnt be annoyed at the way the police got you. Even if they had no evidence to begin with, they were correct in the end. People saying its unfair are just stupid.

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>>728010135
>consensual sex should be legal, no matter what the age.
alright pedo i'm glad they caught you
i hope you get many days of solitary
a nice buttrape routine would be good for you too
have fun nigger

>>728026680
Hate the player not the game (GAME OF CP)

>>728025306
I strongly wouldn't recommend going public. You would be painting a target on yourself for those with serious problems.

Also glad to hear you don't have that scarlet letter on you preventing you from continuing on with your life with finding other work.

We all make mistakes, you will pay the debt society deems appropriate, and move on.

Just don't repeat past mistakes, specifically don't look at child porn anymore, even getting it for free is still putting demand in a market for those who post it for attention.

You got a kick in the pants, but you can pick up the pieces. Sounds like you are looking (did?) at small time too (2 years or less inside?) probably will get out earlier with good time.

>>728026391
A variant of hanging/choking myself.

To be quite honest, I'm reluctant to say the details, because I'm afraid they would do something to prevent me from doing it, should I ever find myself in the same situation again. Having the option of a "way out" was REALLY important to me in there.

>>728026680
What if the alleged cp is a grown women sporting bush, while having pigtails and saying fuck me daddy throughout the video?

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>>728002337
can confirm

>>728026864
>Also glad to hear you don't have that scarlet letter on you preventing you from continuing on with your life with finding other work
Well, I dont know what line of work OP does, but if it has anything to do with teaching he can pretty much forget it. They ask to see a letter from the cops stating you have a clean record for some jobs. And teachers obviously cant be convicted by this stuff.

>>728026991
Its clearly not though, he had genuine hardcore stuff. 'hurtcore'

>>728026350
I suggest you go to a toilet with no windows, remove all inventory except the toilet, barricade any windows so you see no outside, stock up on some simple hermetic food, give a child a key to lock you inside, and tell the kid to come back in some days to let you out.

It might be a fun experiment for the first couple of minutes, maybe even half an hour, maybe even a couple of hours. It's not going to be fun after 30 hours.

Solitary confinement is actually worse, because it's a much more depressing situation, cell and everything.

>>728027226
Well fuck it, I don't know the lingo. I just know I read one guy got convicted for cp without actually having any cp. Just drawings and a what I described, a grown woman acting like she was being molested.

>>728026391
really? sounds like you were in a suicide watch cell. Did they have someone watching you 24/7?

>>728020245
That's not pedophilia, there was no prepubescent children involved. Know the terms before speaking.

>>728027226
I did, but the police would have happily labeled the bushed pornstars CP too, and in fact they did. I lost a drive or two to that.

In any case, it's amazing how people seem to not understand the difference between seing an image of something and actually doing something. It's like all logic just dissappears if you say "child porn".

>>728026867
"Loose noose" with the toilet's edge?

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>>728003435
hmmph a more capitalistic society allows for more lawyers to work "for free" (for advertising, or to get their pay off of the case if they win)
comparing murika to western yurp it's pretty clear
you do need shitloads of money in murika for a good lawyer but you can also make deals with many of them that you never could dream of in socialist europe

>>728025306
>I might go public with the story sometime
Yes, please do. Preserve your anonymity, of course. We need to get the stories out in the open so that the victims of the penal industry can know they are not alone.

Maybe get a sharklasers e-mail, too.

>>728027567
You saved a collection of, what the majority of people who arent desensitized like you are. Would call hardcore CP. 99% of the world would see you go to prison regardless of if you've ever touched a child. Accidently stumbling on it is one thing, but saving it is awful.

>>728000819
Now I would. Srlsy15? Serves you right.

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OP here.

This thread got a lot of attention. I appreciate the serious questions, the interest and the support I got, so I spent a lot more time on this thread than I had planned.

However, I have to go.

Maybe I'll return another time, who knows.

This will be my last post in this thread, but feel free to stay and discuss if you like. There's a lot of info here now.

>>728027210
yes teaching or any work related to kids is out of the question. It will have to be a different field of employment. I didn't mean to give the impression that it wont be more difficult for him to start searching/learning again in his 30's than his 20's, but its not impossible to live decently. I imagine Norway's Welfare is pretty good to help get him back on his feet afterwards.

>>728020238
Lets just say i am guy who knows about this stuff and leave it at that. Anything that posts kiddie porn or jail-bait porn on the Open Web is most likely a honeypot for the cops. DO NOT GO THERE! the sites often track and record your IP. SO once again DO NOT GO THERE!

Cell phones are just as traceable as a computer. And the web browser on your phone keeps track of where you go just like your computer can. Encryption helps but is not a guarantee because it can be broken. So yeah destroy the phone as much as possible and the SD card. Any other questions?