YLYL religion edition. For believers of the big invisible guy

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>mfw atheists forget that they cant even define their religion

>>727769139
0/10

Wow, you're so edgy and cool OP! I can only imagine how much pussy you get and how fun you are to be around!

The theologians Jeffrey Robbins and Christopher Rodkey take issue with what they regard as "the evangelical nature of the new atheism, which assumes that it has a Good News to share, at all cost, for the ultimate future of humanity by the conversion of as many people as possible." They believe they have found similarities between new atheism and evangelical Christianity and conclude that the all-consuming nature of both "encourages endless conflict without progress" between both extremities. Sociologist William Stahl said "What is striking about the current debate is the frequency with which the New Atheists are portrayed as mirror images of religious fundamentalists."

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>>727769055
The real god

The atheist philosopher of science Michael Ruse has made the claim that Richard Dawkins would fail "introductory" courses on the study of "philosophy or religion" (such as courses on the philosophy of religion), courses which are offered, for example, at many educational institutions such as colleges and universities around the world. Ruse also claims that the movement of New Atheism—which is perceived, by him, to be a "bloody disaster"—makes him ashamed, as a professional philosopher of science, to be among those holding to an atheist position, particularly as New Atheism does science a "grave disservice" and does a "disservice to scholarship" at more general level.

Paul Kurtz, editor in chief of Free Inquiry, founder of Prometheus Books, and a man who has been called the father of secular Humanism, was critical of many of the new atheists. He said, "I consider them atheist fundamentalists...They're anti-religious, and they're mean-spirited, unfortunately. Now, they're very good atheists and very dedicated people who do not believe in God. But you have this aggressive and militant phase of atheism, and that does more damage than good

Believing is easier than thinking, hence why there are more believers than thinkers

>>727769139

kek. not believing is by definition not a religion

Atheism deserves better than the new atheists whose methodology consists of criticizing religion without understanding it, quoting texts without contexts, taking exceptions as the rule, confusing folk belief with reflective theology, abusing, mocking, ridiculing, caricaturing, and demonizing religious faith and holding it responsible for the great crimes against humanity. Religion has done harm; I acknowledge that. But the cure for bad religion is good religion, not no religion, just as the cure for bad science is good science, not the abandonment of science.

>>727769725

much truth, also peer pressure is a big deal. Like serious shaming

The philosopher Massimo Pigliucci feels that the new atheist movement overlaps with scientism, which he feels is philosophically unsound. He writes: "What I do object to is the tendency, found among many New Atheists, to expand the definition of science to pretty much encompassing anything that deals with “facts,” loosely conceived..., it seems clear to me that most of the New Atheists (except for the professional philosophers among them) pontificate about philosophy very likely without having read a single professional paper in that field.... I would actually go so far as to charge many of the leaders of the New Atheism movement (and, by implication, a good number of their followers) with anti-intellectualism, one mark of which is a lack of respect for the proper significance, value, and methods of another field of intellectual endeavor."

New Atheist propaganda is just as strong af far right Christian propaganda.

Everyone in this tread (not posting) keeps talking about the 'new atheist'. I don't know from 'new', I'm just an atheist. Go ahead and believe what you want, I won't argue. Just leave me out of it.

I look at history and see the harm religion has done vs. the good and I'm not impressed. I look at the world and think if there is a god he's a right bastard.

So I'll continue to live a moral, law abiding (mostly) life. Not for some god, but because I'm an intelligent and mature human living in a society.

>>727770225
>"New Atheist Propaganda"
How is science propaganda? Oh sure, don't let the "man" keep you down with his 2+2=4 propaganda

an person who wishes to remain an atheist cannot be too careful of what he reads

>>727770877


implying that science has somehow disproved the existence of God

>>727770960

it's not up to science to disprove anything. It's on religion to prove God's existance

>>727770960
Implying that believing in something that science can't test makes any type of sense whatsoever.

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>>727769280
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>727770877
See
>>727770049

>>727769484
Equivocation is crap.

>>727769108

This is so true. Imagine how much more Sir Isaac Newton could've accomplished if he didn't waste half his time with religious matters.

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>>727770960

>>727769139
No religion=no religion. Define suefyxg.

>>727771060
implying that the only way a human being can know anything is through the power of reason

>>727771337


this: >>727771403

>>727769233
Ok go be interesting and promiscous!

>>727771249
Way to deny it with your "facts" "supported by science"

Dawkins and his four faggots are the worst things to happen to the scientific community since the dark ages.

>>727769524
Do you ever stop and think about how bad John, Bill and Lori's lives have become because of this banana? I do sometimes. I think about how John J. Callanan hasn't uploaded a new marketing video in over 6 months. He probably has a family to support. His kids can't even eat three solid meals a day because all of his potential employers associate him with that shit-eating banana picture.

Lori can't get away with posting anything online anymore without a thoughtless barrage of "Thanks, Lori" comments. She pretends that it's genuine, that somebody, somewhere cares about her well-being. But deep down she knows it's a lie. She knows that every day is a struggle to escape her past. Her innocent approval of that naked banana will haunt her until death finally embraces her and takes her away from this hell.

Bill, on the other hand, is too clueless to get it. He'll go on thinking that BH Ideas is making an impact in "personal branding" and continue to laugh at that banana picture whenever he opens the file. We all know he has the file, because he saved it. It's all his, my friend.

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>>727769139

>>727771287

implying that religion is always and has never been anything but a rigid belief system

Science and religion are two non-overlapping magisteria (NOMA) each existing in a "domain where one form of teaching holds the appropriate tools for meaningful discourse and resolution". In Gould's proposal, science and religion should be confined to distinct non-overlapping domains: science would be limited to the empirical realm, including theories developed to describe observations, while religion would deal with questions of ultimate meaning and moral value.

>>727771479


implying, correctly, that there are only 2 world views, atheism-science vs. religion-anti-science

>>727769724
They're "mean" only verbally, and unfriendly with despots & their enablers. Good for them, I say.

>>727771625


implying this: >>727771689

>>727771554

I'm not implying that at all. I don't know how the hell you inferred that.

Whoever gets 727777777 is the new god.

>>727771218

who cares what Pigliucci thinks. Philosophy (real philosophy) is rooted in ethics. Does stealing a loaf of bread to feed a starving family make a person good or bad? They're questions based on moral conclusions because it's up to people to discuss the values actions and situations.

While it's important for society to have morals, that doesn't neccessitate "religion" or that an invisible man has the correct answers to human dilemmas.

So, I still have no idea what you're talking about. Atheists are all for morals, and all against people throwing gay people off roofs because of some bullshit in a 2000 year old book. Sorry...not sorry.

>>727771832


implying that you (like most arrogant intellectuals) could not possibly contradict yourself

>>727769944
Derp the cure for bad naziism is good naziism! The cure for bad child molesters is good child molesters! Not abandonment of child molestation!

>>727771804

implying that religion is the cause of humanity's stupidity

>>727771403

ok explain a NON SUBJECTIVE way to KNOW something. hmmm. Not a "Gut Feeling" or a hunch. And we're back to the power of reasoning, because it in fact can be proven (yes I know that's worded somewhat poorly)

>>727771554

I'll say it explictly. that's exactly what it is, that's where "dogma" comes from. They spend infinite amount of energy killing people via the inquisition to ensure their own power to force their beliefs until a sufficient amount of time went by and people realized the church is making shit up.

>>727772007

implying that using the word "implying" implies that you know what you're talking about from which we're to imply that you're smart.

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>>727772096

>>727770049
Religious studies not equal to intellectual endevour

>>727772045

Yeah crazy how atheists might be autistic, but Catholics rape kids. Watch out for those atheist autists!!!

>>727772344


implying a fundamental misunderstanding of religion from a scholarly standpoint and not from a believer's standpoint

>>727769139
>atheism is a religion

>>727769139
Mfw I see a religious sheep

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>>727770960

>>727772192


implying that either circular reasoning or inductive reasoning are both perfectly valid

(how else do you justify reason as the only way to know something)?

>>727772486

Do you believe in magic? I hope you do.

>>727772025
>false equivalency and mocking

Way to miss the point cunt.

>>727772606


implying this: >>727772628

>>727772644


implying that you have been left without a clever retort and you are now simply annoyed

>>727772686

Implying, implying, implied...imp...lied

>>727772802


implying this: >>727772748

>>727772748

Hi welcome to 4chan. The only god you need to worry about is the god of dubs. check'em.
implying dubs don't rule your life.

>>727772802


also implying that you are a newfag who does not understand /b's long tradition of implying shit

>>727772861

Implying you even care about this convo. Where you from, Alerbamher or someting?

>>727772904


implying that a random, coincidental pattern of numbers has any real meaning

>>727772949

that started like 6 months ago. fuck you

>>727772929


implying that -that hat needs to be set afire while that cringe-worthy nerd is wearing it

>>727773003

finally admitting that there's no real meaning in anything. Thank you.

>>727773054

> 6 months ago

NEWFAG DETECTION CONFIRMED

>>727772486
implying a believer's standpoint is legitimate

>>727772929

Yeah and the Westboro people represent all Christians

>>727773139


implying that simply pointing out the premises of arguments in and of itself makes any value judgement

>>727772096
It is more the product of it.

>>727773176

Good job, you got him. Don't forget to add that to your resume right under 'haven't killed self yet'

>>727773259
Kill'em all and let dubs sort'em out.

>>727769354
That's fucking Thor though you dumb nigger...

>>727773335


implying this: >>727772748

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>>727773259

Westboros are based.

>>727772249
Praise the Pink Unicorn! Slay the unbelievers, bash their babies' heads on the wall!

>>727773325


implying that he never really had any command of the power of reason

>>727772628

it's not quite like that. We can't prove that other ways of knowing things are in fact objective.... That leaves us with the observable reality, and the things we have learned from it.

It's just like saying that there IS a god. That may be true, but the objective evidence is not there for it. Actual Atheism is not a belief that there is no god. Rather it reflects the lack of objective evidence for his existence.

As much as some try to change the argument, it's about that simple. Prove that I'm not a god. Go for it. That would be a flawed way to go about it. How about I prove that I AM A GOD? That would be the more logical way to go about it in my opinion.

Hope that all makes sense

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>they'd rather say nothing than be thought of as atheists

>>727771804
The funny thing about this is that travel to in the moon is totally pointless.

>>727771403
Wishing things to be true never accomplished anything. Nor does begging non-existent deities for things you want. You are a nigger and a fool. I welcome you out of the gene pool ASAP.

>>727772686
If you have a thought, please share it. # implying # isn't adding to the conversation.

>>727769139
Lack of belief in any religious dogma. Simple. Just because you don't accept the definition doesn't mean we can't define it.

you guys might be atheists and thats fine but the holy wars are coming and you will have to choose a side

>>727771554
Implying that something is true just because you and other like-minded morons allege it is. Allegation and assertion do not equal evidence. Fuck thyself

>>727773591
>it's not quite like that. We can't prove that other ways of knowing things are in fact objective.... That leaves us with the observable reality, and the things we have learned from it.

implying that the power of reason must be used to validate any other form of knowledge

>It's just like saying that there IS a god. That may be true, but the objective evidence is not there for it. Actual Atheism is not a belief that there is no god.

implying that agnosticism is the same as atheism

Rather it reflects the lack of objective evidence for his existence.


> evidence

the power of reason


>As much as some try to change the argument, it's about that simple. Prove that I'm not a god. Go for it. That would be a flawed way to go about it. How about I prove that I AM A GOD? That would be the more logical way to go about it in my opinion.
>Hope that all makes sense

>>727773808

Ask the "OLDFAG" who can't stop implying he actually believes in this bullshit.

>>727773428
no wonder even nigger men desire white cunts

>>727773808
implying implications don't implicitly add anything implicate to the conversation.

>>727773896


implying that the power of reason must be used to validate any other form of knowledge

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Fazer o meme no photoshop

>>727773860
Wrong, niggie. You don't get to devolve US.

>>727773999


trips of truth

>>727773998
see. like first class abortion gone wrong material

>No mum, i don't want to go to church on sundays!
kek

>>727773454
In all fairness, they are the best Christians I know of. They stick to the teachings of hate. That said, lol WBC

>>727769108
this right here

>>727773860
DEUS VULT

>>727773999
The childlike silliness of belief in the imaginary is so...childlike. There is no god; there has never been nor ever will be a god. Religion is nothing but a cage for human minds originally instituted during the Neolithic as a means of organizing and controlling human herds.

>>727769055
God damm atheists are the most cringe worthy people. You don't have to believe in any of the many religions that exist today, but do you seriously think there wasn't a creator? You really believe our existence is all just a coincidence?

>>727773928
>>727773808


implying that you are annoyed that I am pointing out the premises upon which your argument is based

AND

implying you do not understand the Socratic method

>>727774257


implying that I ever expressed any belief in God

ALSO

implying this: >>727772748

>>727772644
I believe in magic as a science, currently imprecise, but as more study is dedicated to flushing out it's theories and unifying the study of magic, i expect we will see a new technological revolution applying this study to create wondrous tools with which to improve our daily lives.

>>727773904

you can know anything you want, but I have no means of determining if you are merely imagining things, since you have no issue with subjectivity. I have a major issue with subjectivity, which is why my family and "friends" are sad that I don't blindly follow the path of BS. I could be wielding subjective BS and be a "good person".

The truth shouldn't need much defending, It's the subjective BS that's on the defensive.

If you decide for some arbitrary reason to worship the M00tkin and say he cured your cancer, how can I prove he did not. I'm pretty sure you KNOW that subjective knowledge can't be trusted..

>>727774257

>>727774408
AND annoyed pointing is premises implying based Socratic understand pointing method

>>727774408
Certainly you don't mean me, since I am a Classicist and am highly familiar with the elenchus. You must be referring to someone else, someone who doesn't know Attic, for instance. You're like one of the idiots in Plato's cave. Those pictures of gods were created to manipulate you on behalf of your owners.

Of course religion is man made, but youre missing the point. A religious society would not be this degenerate as we are now. /pol/ wouldnt exist.

>>727774366
yeah lol like of cource there was a big bang
why do you think we look so much like apes you creationist fagget

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>>727772408
: DDD benis

seen this one? also checkum

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>>727774257
>>>/r/athiesm

>>727774577


implying, falsely, that I ever expressed any subjective belief or value judgement

>>727774646


implying that you do not have grasp of English grammar

>>727774366
It may very well be, until i have conclusive evidence otherwise, there is no point in ruling out that option entirely.

>>727774781
fuck you

>>727772552
>>atheism is a religion

People actually believe this.

>>727770002
if you did not post shit, you would have gotten quads.. fucking kike,

"we waiting for our messiah"
"but when he comes we will just kill him"

mentality of a jew

>>727774366
At some point, something just 'was'. If our universe had a creator, where did the creator come from? Why does the universe require a creator, but not your God?

So where does it stop? The creator of the creator of the creator of the...... Or perhaps the universe really is just here, and God is our own creation trying to explain what we can't understand.

>>727774711
I never dismissed the theory of evolution. What happened before the Big Bang? And before that? Of course science will probably one day answer that, but you can only go back so far before you realise something had to make the materials for the Big Bang to even take place

>>727769139
That's because atheism isn't a religion you literal retard.

>>727774969
The odds of us existing are virtually impossible. Even with the trillions of planets and solar systems out there

>>727775135
Could very well be true. But you can't create something from nothing. Isn't that a scientific fact?

>>727774153
The jews DID kill Jesus. Not directly, but they got him crucified by protesting by the tens of thousands. The romans only wanted to put him in jail for a couple of days.

>>727775185
Based on what we know, however probability does not determine the outcome of an event, the forces in play at the time do. So i guess we could say that since we exist, it was inevitable that we would come into existence. Which is kinda circular.

>>727774711
Or, the never-asked question: why do the most dogmatic and coercive religions ALL derive from the Near East, which coincidentally was the precise same area where plant and animal and HUMAN domestication was first devised? Must be complete coincidence that in the first area at the same time that required huge human labor pools these nifty coercive devices called organized religion were engineered by wealthy elites to subjugate human herds. Yep.

>>727775332
>“When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.”
—Matthew 27:24-25

>1 Thessalonians 2:14-16King James Version (KJV)

14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

>Acts 3:13-15King James Version (KJV)

13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

>Titus 1:10-11King James Version (KJV)

10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

>Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

>Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

>>727775185
Those odds dont mean you were put here nigger. If some other intelligent life form like us evolved instead, they would think the same; that they are special and put here by a god.

>>727775185
I believe in the many-worlds interpretation, which means that the odds of us existing is 100%.

>>727774795

so arguing against trusting ONLY objective beliefs is not the same as holding subjective ones? Maybe technically, but it's close enough for me

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>>727774781
it's a trap

>>727775396
Acktchually, if we take the fact that we exist as a postulated fact, it becomes a liner, rather than circular argument.

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>>727769484
Your fedora tipping intensified to the point of inversion

>>727773540
You cant even into

reply to this post or your mother will never have a girlfriend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb5CmXUte1Q

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>>727776242
All I said was that extreme atheism and extreme religion were both wrong and they'd only be a continuous source of contention among people.

Please learn to read.

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Hey, didn't the pope just release a patch for catholicism? I believe it removed Purgatory and gave all those unbaptized babies and stillborns an upgrade to heaven. I still shake my head and chuckle when I think about it.

You can't release a patch for a religion, you dips! It always breaks the save data!

to find god you must think of who created the concept of god and realize that god is you. the people.

>>727775327
Incorrect. Quantum physics tells us that even empty space has a "charge" of probability in it from which something could spring forth from.

not only that, but the multiverse might be a neverending series of parallel universes. matter aka "somethingness" might very well be the the natural basis and state of existence.

I need this please

I want 7 to happen

I like big titties, a big butt and a moisty vajeje

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I like big titties, a big butt and a moisty vajejejeje

>>727777777

>>727769354
> your god is nailed to a cross
> my god has a hammer

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>>727775748
even an autist can be right every once in a while.

>>727777917
Lololol faggot qinwar

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worship banana and john j callanan

>>727773325
All he said was that he didn't boo hoo his whole fucking life about some dude feeling his boy weiner thru the pants. He was making an attack and people being overly sensitive, saying it didn't cause him any harm, and that people treating the issue like they do in modern PC culture makes people steep in the harm for the rest of their lives and that's dumb. He didn't say it was OK to do.

Milhouse is a meme