whats your opinion on current islamization of europe?

>>727632915
Deus vult time!

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>>727632960
time for a new crusade :D

>>727632915
It's a shame. My once proud country is now becoming the Francistan Khalifat. I can't say I'm proud of my country anymore.

not cool enough to fall for russian propaganda

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>>727633070

There will be a heavy push back from the right wing populace, due to the current problems many of the swing voters will move with this push back, resulting in less imigrant intake rates and higher deporation rates which in turn will build tension between the islamic supporters and haters leading to a confilct of sorts. resulting in rioting, looting and possibly hate crimes, with the rights momentum in mind right wing politicians will mostly be elected or gain lots of power before suffering the fallback from the non islamic supporters to the islamic supporters conflict

>>727633136
swedistan or germanistan?

>>727632915
A convenient invention of nationalists, in order to hide that they are in fact nazis, blaming the 'jews of the 21st century' for everything.

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>>727632915

>>727632915
It's something people keep claiming, but there seems to be no real evidence that it's actually happening.

>>727632915

No shitskins migrants in my country at all.

Everything is cool how bout you Sven, Hans?

>>727633299
Leftists of today act more like Nazis just without the nationalism part.

>>727633261
my guess is that the german people and the other european countries will rise against the muslims.

I find it pathetic that people who portray themselves as strong are so scared of muslims.

>>727632915
easy, their is non

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>>727633345
you're either a troll , an ignorant or a sandnigger

Once a week i find a neighborhood cat, and whisper bad things to it.

>>727633475
same goes for you --- > >>727633479

>>727633386
>Leftists of today act more like Nazis
Interesting.
Can you please let me know which ethnic group it is that the leftists are blaming for everything?
What? You can't? How surprising.

>>727633356
im cool , my country is 90 % christian and not so rich for the filthy sandniggers , so they just pass by :D

It pisses me off.
I go on Facebook, people talking about either Islam or fucking feminism 24/7.
I go to university, everywhere are posters for Islam events. Literally everywhere.
I go to the shop, fucking halal meat everywhere.

I'm not racist, but I hate it when this is shoved down our throat

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What has France become ?

>>727632915
I don't care, I'm American.
Nowhere besides America even matters; I take all my vacations here.

>>727633136
>>727633261
>>727633299
>>727633345
>>727633356
>>727633405
Autism

Eurofag here.
Europe is, sadly, collapsing under the moronic rule of idiotic government and mad European rules, to the point that the two best economies of the continent in the previous years were 2 nations WITHOUT government due to political infighting. The Islamic problem is a rather small non-issue that could be solved is day it there was intention to do that.

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>>727633479
Don't say another goddamn word. Up until now, I've been polite. If you say anything else--word one--I will kill myself. And when my tainted spirit finds its destination, I will topple the master of that dark place. From my black throne, I will lash together a machine of bone and blood, and fueled by my hatred for you this fear engine will bore a hole between this world and that one. When it begins you will hear the sound of children screaming--as though from a great distance. A smoking orb of nothing will grow above your bed, and from it will emerge a thousand starving crows. As I slip through the widening maw in my new form, you will catch only a glimpse of my radiance before you are incinerated. Then, as tears of bubbling pitch stream down my face, my dark work will begin. I will open one of my six mouths, and I will sing the song that ends the Earth.

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>>727632915
it needed around 500 years of muslim rape and violance until first crusade happens. So well nothing will happen in our lifetime. europeans seems to like getting butthurt.

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>>727632915

>>727633526
He's gonna answer "white men".

>>727633576
i agree , every day fucked up countries and mass media tries to shove TOLERANCE down normal people's throat

>>727633662
>I will open one of my six mouths, and I will sing the song that ends the Earth.

At least there won't be anymore Muslims.

>>727633568
Poland or hungar i guess

>>727633758
kek

>>727633526

Whites in general.

>>727633774
romania

I'm from Poland, so can't really say I feel threatened in terms of them blowing shit up (too unimportamt country to even bother).

Still, slav born and raised, I don't enjoy seeing more and more sand niggers on the streets one bit.
> it's ok to be racist

>>727633606
>Implying frenchies will learn anything from another culture.

>>727633526
Whoah whoah whoah. Hold up. You think because the far right blames Jews they're Nazis? That's literally your only reason? You aren't considering the actual political policies put forward by Obama and what Hillary would have done? You're retarded. Yes, the anti Semitic portion of the far right does behave in a Naziistic manner, but in terms of policy the Democratic party in America is far and away more similar to the Nazis. Just look at the actual Nazi party name: national socialist Democratic workers party. Anyone who cries for socialism, even "Democratic socialism" is calling for the policies of the Nazis with respect to control of the state.

The only good muslim is a dead muslim

>>727632915
Islam is going to rule the world and there's nothing you kaafirs can do about it. You destroyed your own culture with peace, tolerance and liberalism.

Thats why Islam has flourished. We have never and will never stoop to such toxic ideals.


>Allah is the greatest
>Muhammad is his messenger
>Sharia will be the law of Europe and the world.

>>727633798
long live easten and central europe , last side of europe that is not infected with the cultural marxism yet.

>>727633261
>the right wing populace
you mean the ones aged 60-99 years old?
lmao

>>727633526
Anything non-white.

>>727633794
>>727633717
Oh, yes. I see.

Like leftists are running through the streets at night, burning down houses because whites are living within.
Demonstrations where they demand whites to be banned and evicted to ... well ... somewhere.

God - please let it rain brains.

>>727633794
Bingo! >>727633717

>>727633345
This.
Also, we should get rid of all piss-poor slavs countries that came out of the 3rd world 3/4 years ago and now pretend to rule over the nations that invented modern civilization

Muslims are so stupid they fight between themselves and don't even realise saudi arabia is behind it

>>727632915
I don't see it - but then I live in the real world and I don't listen to propaganda and fear tactics.

>>727633526
White people, mostly white males.

>>727633872
1/10 trolling.

99% of the victims of Muslim violence are Muslim themselves

>>727633866
>ou think because the far right blames Jews they're Nazis?

No. They are nazis because they blame a particular religion and its followers. Like the nazis of the 20th century did. It's just another target religion nowadays.

>>727634024
>the nations that invented modern civilization
That would be Egypt, Greece and Italy.

>>727634114
But they're not targeted for being Muslim. They're targeted for sympathising with filthy western kaafirs.

>>727634114
But then why would we want that kind of conflict on our own soil? The middle east needs to get its shit together before we start importing its problems.

>>727634145
They're being blamed for completely different reasons you fucking moron. I've heard this argument before and it has no logical basis.

>>727634047
>so stupid they fight between themselves
I hope you're not from the US, UK, France or any nation with a bloody civil war history.

>>727632915
Of all the people I've ever met there was only one convert to Islam. She was a crazy girl who married, then divorced, a muslim guy.

So I'm not that worried about islamization, really. It's not an appealing religion to western peoples.

>>727634145
Also you haven't refuted the fact that liberals pass actual policy that's like the Nazis

>>727634193
I'm Italian.

But for "modern" I mean modern, as in "the age of scientific progress". So, western Europe: Italy, Germany, France, England. Muslim countries, too, before the coming of Sunnism

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>>727632915
muslims are subhuman and therefore it is not genocide to kill them

>>727633866
>the Democratic party in America is far and away more similar to the Nazis
Mental illness right there.

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>>727632915
Good heavens, just look at the time.

>>727632915
I think it will only lead to violence.

I'm not against immigration or cultural diversity. I believe that a person's merit should be judged by their actions, not by their birth.

That being said, these raghead sandniggers are the scum of the earth. They present a very real threat to global peace and the internal security of the nations of Europe.

their forceful immigration is akin to an invasion, and their violent attempts to convert natives to their religion cannot be allowed if we wish to maintain the stability of the nations of the world.

>>727632915
the truth is there isnt higher % of mudshits in europe population than usa

>>727634359
Plot Twist: they think the same way about you.

>leftist retards swarm in to defend their bulls
Dude lmao

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>inb4 the tolerance nazis invade

>>727634020

they are.

>>727632915

bunch of right-wingers are afraid of minorities.

Doesn't matter if poland, hungary, east-germany etc. Whereever the least contacts with reality are, the most afraid are the people.

In east-germanies are cities with a 1%-population of muslims. 1%. And in those cities the protest are the strongest.

Was always the same in history
1. you search a scapegoat for existing problems
2. you find someone who is different than you and blame them
3. ???
4. war

history repeats itself because of fear and small minded masses.

Cry more infidel faggots. Islam is here to stay.

Dont like it? Feel free to move to an all-white shithole like Russia.

>>727634270
Oh look. What a particularly fine way of elaborating an argument.
No facts, only bad manners.
Thought so.

>>727634373
You really need to learn some history. Gun control, not only allowing but encouraging abortion, increasing taxes, government welfare programs out the ass. All Nazi policies. Now liberal policies.

>>727634346
>the age of scientific progress
But scientific discoveries are made every day. One could say the caveman who invented fire by rubbing two sticks together was the greatest discoverer of all time.

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>>727632915
Despite that I don't live at Europe, I think it's time for a crusade.
>>727634509
(You) for trying at the least.

>>727634399
cultural diversity should be kept to a minimum and should not interfere with the country fundamental systems. different countries should be able to have small communities but just that .

>>727632915
Inevitable at this point.
Too many have infiltrated and all they gotta do now is reproduce.
Siding with the resistance is suicide and shortcut to a boring and losing life, instead i will side with the rich and intelligent side wether it has muslims in it or not.

>>727634552
>discoverer
scientist*

>>727634507
Being afraid of something is a pretty neutral property. If it's right or wrong depends on the thing one is afraid of.

Can't see your argument.

>>727634466
Yes, because Europe was bombed to the ground due to leftist retards,right?

>>727634596
Uh, yes?

>>727634552
Fuck you. A white man showed him how to do it. If it wasn't done by our glorious race, it never happened.

>>727634402
Accurate, but in the US we don't let just anybody in. Immigrants have to be vetted, they can't just sneak through Turkey and have a free pass to everywhere in the US.

>>727634340
You must be Australian and are just upset you have blasphemy laws.

>>727634596
>pls stop being mean to my wife's boyfriend
Dude lmao

>>727634522
Were Jews committing countless acts of terrorism? Were Jews calling for death to all who speak ill of Judaism? Did Jews have honor killings? No, they didn't. Muslims do, so remind me again why it's the same situation to blame Muslims as it was to blame Jews? Oh that's right, you can't cause it's not.

>>727634669
Not Australian, wouldn't live in a country where you can't own guns or pocket knives.

>>727634538
So Hitler did nothing wrong besides protecting his people from cultural marxism... But he also did everything wrong and was an evil dictator?

>>727634552
Scientific method and the culture of science is different from "hey, look I learned something new".

And it's due to western people, and Arabic mathematician and medics when arabs were more tolerannt than Europeans

>>727634583
Exactly. I country can only keep it's identity and it's principles if it's culture is the dominant culture.

When you have a massive influx of immigrants bringing their cultural values it threatens to destabilize the nation at it's core and cause dissent among the people.

>>727634538
Get some help.

>>727634695
0/10 trolling, you'd have to try harder.

>>727634538
>Hitler was a vegetarian
>Michelle Obama wants kids to eat vegetables
Michelle Obama is literally Hitler, guys!

>>727634594

my argument is that there is obviously no need to be afraid, if you integrate people into society.

Whereever the muslim populations are around 10% (while christians are at about 50-60%, 20% non believers etc). there exists something called "peacefull co-existance".

In a democracy you are mostly not forced to take over views you don't like - you are forced to accept that there are people who think in other ways than you do. If those ways are not against the law.

Sometimes religions goes too far - for example on "Karfreitag" in germany nobody is allowed to throw a public-party or invite the public to go dancing - because of the death of christ and such. But there is gathering resistance against this - because when you achieve the separation of churches and the state there are no problems.

sadly, this separation of state and churches is prevented by christian politics in the western world.

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>>727634790
>arabs were more tolerannt than Europeans

OP here , so as this thread is pretty active , i'd also like to hear your opinions about cultural marxism , as it's pretty obvious now that it actually exists

>>727632915
April's fools joke?

>>727634955
I hate communism/socialism.

>>727634721
>>727634721
Jews did commit plenty of terrorist acts to get what they want, though.
Muslims don't have honor killings. Asian and ME cultures do. It has no religious basis.
Muslims aren't calling for the death of anyone. Isis is.

>>727634785
Hitler caused the worst war in humanity's war-filed history. Just so you know.

>>727634790
And yet all these faggots couldn't invent gunpowder.
Having said that, without gunpowder the US wouldnt have their insane trillion dollars defense budget and maybe instead could use that money to do good things.

>>727634785
I never said that, this is why I hate liberals (assuming you are one) is because they love to put words in people's mouth when arguing to make the other person look bad.

Yes, Hitler was evil and despicable for killing millions of Jews as well as going after other groups.

>>727634721
Blaming 1.5 billion humans for the crimes of a few who have the same religion is just plain stupid.
There are countless crimes which have been committed 'in the name of Jesus Christ'. So, shall we blame all 2.3 billion christians for this?

>>727632915
I have accepted the islamization of Europe. If our atheist/christian societies can't put women in their place anymore then someone else has to. Muslim immigration is a direct effect of us not having our women in the kitchen and raising children after all.

>>727635004
Are you so sure? Is that why there are several paragraphs (or whatever the fuck they're called) asking for the death of jews, infidels and non-believers? Is that why they're so tolerant?

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>>727634982
i agree , me as well. communism is the proof that cultural marxism is quite effective

>>727634922

Different anon. The muslim population does not want to integrate.

>>727634940
Learn history, kiddo. I mean, European history, which is a little bit longer than American "whoa, a 50 year old building? That's ancient!!!" history.
And a lot more complex and rich

>>727634812
You mean the way the ME was destabilized when you whiteboys drew your own borders and enforced it on people?
Karma is a bitch. Pick up the soap and let the diversity penetrate you faggot.

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>>727635050
The "peaceful majority" is irrelevant when the religion itself calls for the acts of jihad that terrorist's commit. Islam is a violent religion and always has been. All the way back to the first century.

>>727634922
>no need to be afraid
>"peacefull co-existance".
Well, there are terror attacks every other week now, and a constant stream of rapes and assaults. For every rape there is a family that becomes afraid, and they tell all their friends and extended family. There's no wonder people are afraid and you're a very intolerant person for not acknowledging that they have good reason to be in the world they live in.

>if you integrate people into society.
How are you going to do that? I've never seen a program for that that works. What's your revolutionary idea? Force them to integrate at gunpoint?

Still, I'm not worried personally so whatever.

>>727633070
that is what caused this in the first place retard

>>727635170
>American "whoa, a 50 year old building? That's ancient!!!"

I'm British.

>>727635184
Doesn't even challenge my point; it reinforces it.

>>727635008
>Hitler caused WWII
Hitler literally wanted peace with every country except the Soviet Union and proposed two dozen peace treaties to GB, all rejected.
He also proposed several contracts to Poland for bringing German territories back into the Reich because of ethnic Germans being slaughtered post-WWI by the polish, all that before he went to war.

>>727635225
No, the crusades were in response to the Muslim invasion of Europe in the first place you autistic fuck.

>>727635004
Wrong

>>727635116

depending on which field it doesn't matter.

"Integrate into society" is something else than "accept every custom and make it your own".

There is no need for everyone to like the "Oktober-Fest" in Bavaria for example. But there is a need for everyone to send your kids to school.

If you fail to obey the law, you get punished. But as long as you obey the law, you are "integrated" into society. If you go to the local city-parties with old customs or if you do bowling or praying does not matter for society.

>>727635202
So we can assume that the "peaceful majority" of USA citizens are irrelevant, because there are daily shootings that kills more Americans than ISIS ever did - and so we should treat all Americans as gun-crazy hillybillies?

>>727635225
Ever heard of the Reconquista?

>>727635281
finally someone in their right mind that doesnt swallow all the jew-sent shit. it's also known that hitler offered different countries to take the jews bu no country wanted them.

>>727635090
There are Chapters that include stories of war and instructions to fight hostile aggressors and infidels who seek to harm Islam and Muslims. Nothing about killing people simply because they are different.

>>727635382
Uh huh....

Quran 7:177 "He whom God guideth is the guided, and whom he misleadeth shall be the lost."
Quran 76:5 "We have prepared chains, collars, and a blazing fire for the kafirs"
Quran 16:95 "Had God pleased, He could have made you one people: but He causeth whom He will to err, and whom He will He guideth: and ye shall assuredly be called to account for your doings."

>>727635351
>"Integrate into society" is something else than "accept every custom and make it your own".
yes, yes it does.

>>727635292
>refugees come to the EU because of western interference causing instability in the ME
>the solution is more western interference in the ME

Do you realise how retarded you sound right now?

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>>727635202
All mayor religions are more or less violent. You can find excuses and reasons for verything in Bible, Koran, Tora and other scripture.
And with regard to violence in history, christianity is in the lead by centuries of crimes.

You should build yur mind only by choosing facts which fit to your opinion. Picture related.

>>727635367
There's no religion behind most of the daily deaths. ~80% are drug related. Now the jihadist shootings at Pulse, San Bernardino, etc. Were driven by religion, and there have been others I'm sure, but the vast majority of violence, gun related or otherwise, in the US is not due to a religion therefore your argument is invalid to compare the two

>>727635269
Yeah, but when the ME wants to blame your cultural meddling for their problems you claim it is a ridiculous notion, yet you want us to entertain the idea that their cultural meddling is the cause of all your problems.

Whiny little white bitches need to learn about logical consistency.

>>727635281
So he invaded France, Poland, Austria and bombed England just by mistake?
Are you trolling or just ignorant of even basic history?

>>727635050
>1.5 billion

1.3-1.4 billion muslims have never been exposed to "disbelieve" while living in their 99.9% homogenic muslim societies. If you spread them all over the world and made them live next to christians, buddhists and atheists the amount of terrorist attacks would skyrocket and lead towards civil wars in most countries.

- We will most likely see white Europeans be out-bread by Middle Easterners, given the high fertility rates in Muslims. Traditional Europeans may not exist in the future.
- With the change in demographics, Islamic culture will begin to become the standard, as Europeans abandoned their own culture out of guilt and fear.
- IQ scores may decrease across Europe as Middle Easterner's generally have lower IQ scores then Europeans. However, environmental differences may offset this.
- Right-wing politics will make be given a slight resurgence, which we can see in some of the European elections, but ultimately left-wing parties and policies with rule the day.
- Islam will ultimately become the dominant religion of Europe.

>>727635281
What you're doing is called Historical Revisionism.
You're pushing myths that have no connection to reality. Hitler started building an army and making plans for the annexion of neighbouring countries and an inner-European war beginning in the early 1930's. His "contracts" were deceptions to keep other countries like the UK and Russia at bay.
You're the worst kind of liar, a liar who mixes facts with lies to make the lies more believable.

I am tired of this bullshit, why cant we just get rid of the whole concept of religion? When you have an imaginary friend as a child you get a pill...

>>727635466
Look I'll admit the ME is cocked up because of interference, but the refugees flooding into Europe could be settled in stable ME countries for a fraction of the monetary cost and not deal with all the culture clash bullshit

>>727635546
had they agreed to peacefully join the reich , it wouldnt have happened. as for england , it's know that hitler had something personal with it and it's people. just as for austria.

>>727634665
but you already have niggers and mass shootings every week

>>727632915
islam is shit. Mohammed was a pedophile.

>>727635442
Um, so you agree, no instruction to kill people for simply being Jew. Good.

It can't end well.

>>727633526
working and middle class straight white males who have no opinion on my little pony

>>727635507
>>727635507
Christianity itself does not call for violence in the same way Islam does, do you not get this?? Yes, you get violence in every religion, but you have to look at the religion itself to see if it's being twisted. Islam is not twisted to create violence.

>>727635252
Ah, so you're just ignorant, then. In medieval times Europeans were a lot more violent than and intolerant than nowadays ISIS (people got tortured and burned at the stake for centuries). Muslims were, at the same time, a lot more tolerant.

>>727635453

well, after your definition I wouldn't be "integrated" into the land I was born in.

I'm a white german. If was born here, my parents are germans and also white.

I hate the local customs (drinking and hearing shitty music while wearing silly costums). I never go to "parties" where they wear traditional clothes.

I speak perfect german because it's my mother-tongue. I almost finished studying at the university and will work soon for the rest of my life in a profession that helps other people.

I pay every cent of taxes I have to pay.

Yet, after your definition, I am not "integrated" into germany? How could that be?

>>727635710
Those were just a couple of examples of the warmongering religion that is Islam. If you were intelligent enough you would have realised that.

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

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>>727633920
t. Antifa cuck faggot

>>727635746
> Islam is not being twisted
>says person who deliberately twists Islam.
Lolok.

>>727635641
You broke all the countries that would have been willing to them. (Syria, Libya, Yemen)

You made your bed.
Sleep in it.

>>727632915
Islam is not that bad if you're a male. I'm looking forward to helping them killing all the SJW's that helped them come to power.

>>727635866
Look, if you wanna think Islam is a peaceful religion, go right the fuck ahead. You're a moron though if you stick to that view

>>727635928
They could be settled in Saudi Arabia pretty easily.

>>727635854
So "Allah will punish a certain people" means we Muslims kill those people?
You're retarded.

>>727635540
The ME isn't blaming anyone for anything.

the Islamic State is trying to usurp the current Regime in the ME and reinstate the Caliphate. They are the ones we are having problems with.

Europe hasn't culturally interfered with the ME. They are the interference. Their entire nation is an unstable reaction between conflicting ideologies, and it has been for a very long time.

The problems that plague the ME have nothing to do with whites. The problem comes from within.

>>727635528
So I can assume that all Americans will kill me for profit and drugs, just as you assume that all Muslims will kill you for religious beliefs?
Sounds kinda stupid, but......

>>727635834
I think you're the ignorant one here. I'd love to see you provide proof that Islam is peaceful.

>>727636006
Your so called god wants you to punish them, if you were capable of understanding such a thing then you would realise that but unfortunately not.

>>727635954
No Abrahamic religion is peaceful. But the verses in the Quran are definitely being stretched paper-thin to apply even remotely to the geo-politics of the day.

>>727635170
Not really faggot. There are pyramids in the Americas and other old shit like Machu Picchu, but more importantly you need to realize that even the oldest ruins and civilizations are still very young. All of that still isn't even in the thinking of a grander scale.

>>727632915
shit happens

>>727636042
Kys. They're completely different situations. Go get a job with CNN seeing as you like making non sequitur comparisons to further your point.

>>727636024
Are you retarded? Do you even know how the current ME borders and power vaccums were created?

Come continue this convo when you finish high school please.

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>>727634922
Muslims have higher birthrates than the native population.

It is mathematically inevitable that they will outnumber everyone else if we extrapolate the current development.

All they have to do is wait it out in their parallel societies with their different views on how we should live and in a few decades we will live in culturally vastly different countries

that is the general fear and it is based in reality.

And the problem is that the left has no answer to it. They just pretend it is not a problem.

The Quote "Wir schaffen das"/"We can do it" from Angela Merkel is the perfect example for that.

Instead of offering a solution to existing Problems or even discussing them properly we just go on as before.


I do not want to live in a country where I will be a minority in the not too distant future.

>>727636227
>power vaccums
I agree. Ending colonial rule was a mistake as we see everywhere we ended colonial rule.

>>727636053
Medieval islam WAS more tolerant than MEDIEVAL Europe. For example, you can could be a Christian or a Jew in a Muslim country and live freely. The opposite was not true.
And medieval and reinassance Europe was violent as fuck: read anything you find about the 100 year wae and thr 30 years was.... (religious Christian wars)

>>727636042
Well you two are having a conversation about Abrahamic religions things are gonna get stupid.

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>>727633125

>classy

Btw, I remember people saying similar things about Poles.

>>727635997
Saudi Arabia helped cause this mess along with the west and like the west they are unwilling to take responsibility for their actions.

Do you really think sending easily radicalised people to a wahhabist monarchy would be a good idea anyways?

You smash plates on the floor and are complaining you got glass in your foot.

I remember the warnings against the Irish.

"I am haunted by the human chimpanzees I saw along that hundred miles of horrible country...to see white chimpanzees is dreadful; if they were black one would not see it so much, but their skins, except where tanned by exposure, are as white as ours.”
— Cambridge historian Charles Kingsley, letter to his wife from Ireland, 1860

and

"They do use all the beastly behaviour that may be, they oppress all men, they spoil as well the subject, as the enemy; they steal, they are cruel and bloody, full of revenge, and delighting in deadly execution, licentious, swearers and blasphemers, common ravishers of women, and murderers of children.”
— Edmund Spenser, A View of the State of Ireland, 1596

>>727635603
Yeah all religion is cancer to be honest, if only there was a country in the world with a leader who doesn't take shit and looks out for the greater long term good... fuck this gay earth

>>727635997
>>727635641
>>727635292
>>727633229
>>727633070
>>727632960
Crusades failed and caused more harm to Europe than muslims

>>727636106
Lol. I feel sorry for your autistic comprehension levels. Maybe one day a girl will say she's gonna stroke your dick and you'll interpret that as an instruction to go home and stroke your dick yourself.

>>727633844
>Implying frenchies cill learn anything

>>727636292
You are the one that needs to learn history you dumb fuck. The 100 years war was a series of wars between England and France because of an age old rivalry. Nothing religious in having a rivalry with another nation. Now the 30 years war was religious, but your case is useless because of the fact that Sunni and Shia muslims are constantly at each-other's throats.

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>>727632915

>whats your opinion on current islamization of europe?

You should spend less time at place like /pol/ and go outside more.

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>>727636413
>tfw you've ran out of arguments so you just call someone autistic and tell them to masturbate

Good one.

>>727636291
Hey cumskin, how about not starting colonialism in the first place? Learn to trade and exchange knowlegde with people fairly and maybe the world will stop trying to breed you out of existence.

>>727633141
underrated post is actually the best post

>>727633405
As an EE i can say that we would rise against our goverment sooner than against refugees because the corrupt faggot politicians cause 100000000000000x more harm to us than refugees


Ofc there are retards lapping up the very overblown refugee faggotry which is MADE by our own goverment to take attention away from all the bullshit they are doing

>>727636523
>not starting colonialism in the first place
that ship has sailed you tit.

>>727636512
Autism prevents people from understanding analogies too, apparently.

>>727636523
But then you would still live in a mud hut, afraid of being eaten by your neighbor.

>>727636593
My point still stands.

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>>727636576
So has the "ending colonialism" ship. Whats your point?

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>>727636614
Kek

>>727636290

"not too distant future"

If you google the birth-rate of muslims, you get numbers (from right-wing newspapers) like those:

"In 2070 there will be 70 millions germans, of which are 7 million muslims".

2070 is in 53 years. We both will probably die within the next 80 years.

So - to live in a country where you would be a minority, you would have to kill 57 million germans. Do you plan to do that or what?

>>727636636
Not understanding an argument is not a substitute for winning an argument.

Mh But we need Coffee and Kebap.

>>727636675
Colonialism is what brought you to the modern world big fella, you're just gonna have to accept that one day.

>>727632915
islam = cancer

europa is fucked if it doesn't fix the problem

immigration without assimilation is invasion

sharia is absolutely incompatible with western constitutional democracies & republics

>>727636718
I'm going to repeat;
>My point still stands.

>>727636760
agree

>>727636614
Better than the fucking caves that you barbarians were living in before you met non-Europeans.

Not all Mudslimes are terrorists- but all terrorists are Mudslimes.

>>727636812
I'd like a source on that, tyvm.

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>>727632915

>whats your opinion on current islamization of europe?

Actually I'd be more worried about Russia's attempts to gain influence an territory in Eastern Europe.

i dont even know what to believe.I want to be tolerant and i really dont have a problem with muslims one of my best friends is one,but on the other Hand i think that Europe is being fucked right now because everytime you say something about Muslims or other people your a nazi

>>727632915
>>727632915

A global crusade. US + EU vs Islam

>>727636812
Cave life is pretty sweet tbh.

>>727636747
Wow, i didn't know that murdering, looting and oppressing all non-whites was a crucial step in Einsteins general relativity proof.

If you could do it all on your own and want nothing to do with "subhumans" why did you spend so much of your centuries dedicated to travel, exchange and conquest?
Clearly something doesn't add up.

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>>727635281

>Hitler literally wanted peace with every country except the Soviet Union and proposed two dozen peace treaties to GB, all rejected.

As a Christian from Algeria who left because of religious discrimination I can tell you that islam justifies harming others. Its not peaceful and the goverment and arab muslim population frequently cite the quran to justify their discrimination and hate.

>>727636789
Repeating an opinion is also not a substitute for actually winning an argument through reason and logic.

>>727637029
Economic gains you tit. That is what Imperialism is. It is a form of expansion designed for economic gain. Is that such a difficult concept to understand?

>>727632915

Jews are doing it

>>727637108
I don't think you understand. Just insulting someone outright without having any valid points means you've lost.

>>727636864
Lol look at stone henge vs Indian and Chinese Temples. Same time. You were so backward until you met others.

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>>727635857

The London assailant was born in Britain. He was also in his 50's so he'd lived there quite a while through various political periods. Also Britain has invaded foreign lands for centuries and was never shy of using violence to keep those lands their colonies. They can't complain now about people from those countries actually wanting to be part of Britain.

>>727637268
>You were so backward until you met others.
Stone henge - Construction started: 3100 BC
I don't even know what to say at this point.

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>>727636686

you guys have failed to answer to my posts. I can assume that you lack the proper arguments?

>>727633643
Countries diverting the attention of the masses from the economic problems they create and scaring the public into accepting laws that breach our privacy and make us easily exploitable with quasi wars on people whose extremist groups and terror groups they themselves created and funded??? Why would the western and European governments do that ?

>>727636686

Even if your numbers are right the fact still stands that Muslims will sooner or later be in the majority given the current development.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany

"The total fertility rate has been rated around 1.4 in 2010"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_population_growth

"Globally, Muslims have the highest fertility rate, an average of 3.1 children per woman"


in conclusion the native population shrinks while the Muslim population grows at double the speed. And those children have double the amount of children and so on.

niggers will die

>>727637120
So its okay to oppress and murder people if you crave economic gain which will trickle down indirectly to those you wronged centuries later after they put up a struggle for it?

Wow. No wonder everyone hates the white male.

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>>727636290

>It is mathematically inevitable that they will outnumber everyone else if we extrapolate the current development.

I am willing to do bet my left nut, that you can't explain or actually do the math behind that claim.

Also birth rates change even with immigrant families. When the Turkish guest laborers arrived in Germany in the 50's they 6 or 7 children. Today's third generation German Turks don't have more children than the native Germans.

>>727637331
Indian and Chinese temples were around that age or older. You dont know what to say because no one showed you...

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>>727637478
It's not our problem if they can't even talk to each-other without starting a fight, even after decades of modernisation by colonialism. Why should they receive special treatment in Europe?

>>727637174
I'm not just insulting. I'm mocking your inability to reason or understand simple arguments. That shit is funny.

>>727637565
Well why were the chinese and indians so backwards when we discovered them even though they had so much more time to develop than the Europeans? Same thing goes with Africans.

>>727637709
>Lol. I feel sorry for your autistic comprehension levels. Maybe one day a girl will say she's gonna stroke your dick and you'll interpret that as an instruction to go home and stroke your dick yourself.
>I'm not just insulting. I'm mocking your inability to reason or understand simple arguments. That shit is funny.

My point, yet again, still stands.

>>727637471

Sure, if nothing happens in the next 200 years that dramatically alters the flow of society and birthrates, than in 200 years - statistically- there are more muslims worldwide than christians.

Except from the fact that there are already like half the countries on earth where this is the case (maybe around 30-40%...almost all of africa, many parts of asia etc.)

do you really think that nothing will happen in the next 200 years that changes everything - again?

Just think what the climate-change will do. Many muslims live in poor countries. The climate change will kill way more people in poor countries than in rich counties - due to the lacking hygiene after catastrophes and the lacking help from the military and so on. Just an example of many.

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>>727637647

>modernisation by colonialism

You apparently have no fucking idea how colonialism actually worked.

this whole thread is fucking stupid. Also every religion is just as fucking stupid as islam, especially christianity.

Whites are giving away our nations! Why the fuck????? Asia is never too Asian. Europe for the Europeans!

>>727637647
Can't talk to each other without starting a fight? You better not be from UK, France or USA or some other region with a bloody history of civil war.

And it seems like you're heading back in that direction with your Brexit and hostile resistance to Trump.

>>727637852
>You apparently have no fucking idea how colonialism actually worked.
Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, USA. All former British Colonies. All modern nations.

>>727637926
lol, yeah because the United Kingdom totally has had a bloody civil war bruv. totally.

I always wanted to be the last of something

>>727632915
Overrated

>>727637819
Lolololololol. Analogies motherfucker. Learn it.

The girl is Allah. Her saying "she will stroke your dick" is Allah saying he will punish X people.
You interpreting it an instruction to stroke your dick is you interpreting the Quran as saying Muslims must punish X people.

>>727638015
Not civil as a state, but the war with the French is proof you whites are always fighting with each other.

>>727638229
suit yourself.

>>727633345
Correct.

>>727633299
you wish to be the new jews, so you can claim, that you are persecuted. you're not. you are the ones hating jews, europeans and everybody else. you are the ones persecuting everything, that is different, in your muslim countries. nice try. it won*t work

>>727637839
I makes no sense discussing what possible unforeseeable changes in the future could alter the outcome since the are in fact unforeseeable

we have to look at the present and see what we can do. Not hope for some deus ex machina.

That argument is not helping the discussion

I think I have established well enough that we will see european countries where muslims will be the majority
What is your point btw? Is it that a majority Muslim population would not be a problem?

In my opinion it is

>>727638319
All I need to do to counter that point is say a couple of Muslim terrorist groups, such as ISIS and Al Qaeda.

>>727632915
There is no islamization, it's just an excuse to discriminate people.

>>727633345
except for halal food in school and supermarkets. girls, that don't have to join p.e. class and muslims terrorizing europe and the west, to pressure the west to give in more and more

>>727635097
Thats the problem

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>>727632915
I'll just leave this here for you /pol/tards

>>727633872
>You destroyed your own culture with peace
>destroyed your own culture with peace
>peace destroys culture

>>727638736
That graph should tell you something about how much people feel this is impacting their lives. It's no wonder there will be conflict over these forced immigration programs.

>>727633356
Everything is fine, our feminist government said so.

>>727638924
well said

>>727638522
You wouldn't be countering my point, just proving that you cannot single out a specific religion, race or country as being violent.
My tongue-in-cheek comment about whites always fighting each ither is just as true as those groups fighting rach other.

>>727638924
>People emotional over-reaction
>legit
You right wing fags are just pathetic

>>727638763
Yes. Your most productive years were during colonialism, crusades, conquests, WW1 and WW2, cold war etc.

>>727638460

wait a moment - if the future (which is arguably not foreseeable) is not part of the arguments - why do you insist that "the future of muslim-overpopulation" is a problem?

That would just leave your fear of an overpopulation, which will never be achieved in germany in your lifetime. What can do you "against" this non-existant thing?

There are only three things you can do:

1. Forbid all muslims from receiving children.
2. Kill all muslims.
3. Deport all muslims.

Other than that there is no way of destroying the chance for the "oncoming overpopulation". All of those things are strictly forbidden though, with good reason.

So, what can you do except the things we are doing at the moment? (Regarding to muslims just as other germans.)

the idea of judging people on any superficial quality and not the quality of their character sickens me
i'd date a nice girl with a unibrow and employ a weird looking smart guy
but ethnic tribalism and a homogeneous society are necessary for any nation state to preserve it's interests and security on the global stage
economic globalism is a mistake and multiculturalism is planned and conscious genocide
what they do is bring in the immigrants en masse
then they turn them against you by calling you a racist
they provide the immigrants with welfare while your pensions are vanishing and then tax them out of the job market to ensure they'll take the check
you're effectively a slave and if you say fuck it and quit your job, you'll get the same check and join the fight against your own people
the immigrants will hate you because they believe you're the boogie man they see in the media but your police will do nothing to stop the assaults and sexual assaults they inflict on you
they called you a rapist, denied you jobs and educational opportunities, they corrupted your education system beyond redemption, turned your media into a propaganda machine, made your streets unsafe, your hospitals ineffective, your cops neutered or disaffected, they banned your jokes, censored your speech, and they made your own women hate you
the leaders in your public and private sector sold off every single avenue of their influence to people with foreign interests with absolutely no concern what so ever for how that may effect you or your children's future
these people are unbelievably sick and nothing they are doing is considered illegal or morally wrong and they paid good money to do it to all the right people
no one's going to stop them for you
anyone with a platform who tries is labelled a bigot and loses their voice
you need to join the fight or the fight does not exist
be proud of your heritage and fight to retain it
if you don't it will be erased forever
/

>>727639094
You're very intolerant of peoples views and feelings. It's shameful.

You always want to show up on /b/ with big ideas. But sometimes juste the right answer to the question is asked. And everybody goes to /alpha/ on 4chan so everybody loses the group. Please be more moderated.
Here is the /beta/

>>727638736
you try to show with your picture that we are irrational.

But what you conveniently try to filter out of the equation is that people base their guesses on the information and news regarding the current ongoing change that their countries go through.

Significantly more muslims come into european countries and will come into european countries then used to in the past. That is what matters . Not how it currently seems to be.


The problem is that, over admittedly a longer period of time, those numbers will actually come closer to those guesses if we continue on this path.

>>727639128
no, we were producitve all the time

>>727639094
it is not emotional. That is the point

see>>727639233

>>727639128
muslims really think peace destroys culture? so you want to live in constant war? yeah, sounds like muhammed alright

>>727639197
>muh feeling
>be tolerant against my racism
Nice arguments
kek

>>727639452
Who said anything about racism? I said people of Europe feel like they are being swamped with immigrants, which your graph shows.

Add dishonesty to your shameful intolerance.

Everybody talks of religions so next war is about Isis, no?
I'm launching psychologie war : please dont lose yourself and be moderated

>>727639241
Soon as Obama got elected and anounced he was gonna end the Iraq war, financial crises.

When the whites are not at war, their society begins to fall apart.

all i'm seeing in this thread is as follows "im not scared of Muslims (im actually unimaginably scared of my stupid "heritage" being "destroyed and therefore am scared of someone with a different culture coming into my community to not get blown the fuck up by american imperialists or theocratic fascist cunts or assad" no borders no nations

>>727639697
It's sad that you think heritage is stupid. Most people appreciate their heritage.

>>727639317
Peace and tolerance is a liberal hippie ideology. Liberal ideologies destroy culture. So, yes.

>>727639750
oh no someone doesn't care about people who are fucking dead.

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>>727632915
This is a ploy designed to undermine white cultures, effectively destroying the local ideals. It's like a mass invasion.

When you flood a country with immigrants it creates both an imbalance with the state and the values of the citizens.

This has been done numerous times before, most notably when the Mongols started genociding the local population and their ideals, an empire was created from it.

There might not be any signs for the next coming years, but as Islam invades Europe you will start to see changes, and if those changes aren't met, then a full scale war will happen between the immigrant populace and the local populace, effectively shutting down the country, and forcing other countries to step in.

If the deciding country steps in to "help" the populace then it will lead to full control of the countries government.

This will be the first event that will be documented and will quite possibly be the end of all European culture within the next 50 years.

European people are being leaded to believe that bringing in people with whole diffferent ideals would be a good thing, because the local white cultures are so ignorant to the fact on immigration.

Its a slow populace takeover, when the majority of the countries citizens are able to strike and take over, the country will be down on its knees.

Islam needs to be purged from existence, Islam is nothing but a lie.

>>727639697
Lose indeed what maked you différent and forger hatred. Juste choose what you like to défend yourself.

>>727639799
and other religions are not? "MIIIIINEE ISSS RIGHTTT YOUURRRRS ISSS WRONGGGG REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

>>727639799
Make mongolia great again!

>>727639793
You can not care as much as you want to. I might feel bad for you, but that's not your problem. Most people do care though, so that's the world you live in.

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>>727639233
1. The rate of practicing muslims in the second generation after they settled in Europe is ridicuously low
2. Fertility rate of the second generation is the same as the local population
3. Muslims are not a political force in any European countries
>There is no significant muslim population in Europe
>HUURR DURR KILL DA MUDSLIM MY CUNTREE IS BEING RAPPED THX MERKEL AND DA JEWS

>>727639506
people feelings are against facts. We don't base our understanding of the world on FEELS. We don't make policies based on feelings when the facts show the contrary. We're not postmodern burgers

>>727639643
>When the whites are not at war, their society begins to fall apart.
what a load of bullshit. obama did not end the iraq war. and you really think, that this was the only time in western history, when there was no war? also, the usa is still in war in syria, afghanistan and so on

>>727632915
Time for an overused normie meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhqeNUFCyI0

>>727639756
>Peace and tolerance is a liberal hippie ideology.
yes, i believe, that this is, what muslims actually believe. so you muslim want to be in constant war? what a great "culture"

Europe has always been shit, all the smart people left 50 years ago. Just like the middle east.

>>727640122
>We don't base our understanding of the world on FEELS.
What world are you living in? Must be nice there.

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>>727639756
>Culture = War
You're fuckin retarted my man

>>727640345
Yeah it's quite nice, it's called "first world"

>>727635507
you are a liar. Islam IS violence. Burn them all.

>>727640472
No, I live there. Immigration, social policy, gender issues, economics. It's all pretty much propaganda FEELS driven. I've been to most first world countries and they all run 99.9% on feels.

So I guess you're an immigrant from some rational place on this planet I've never heard about and can't into your new society.

Now you know.

>>727635507
>All mayor religions are more or less violent.
no, christianity isn't. jesus even said: "love your enemy"

>>727632915
Only media loving cucks believe in it,

>>727633680
That's the huns you uneducated piss stroke.

>>727639146

>wait a moment - if the future (which is arguably not foreseeable) is not part of the arguments - why do you insist that "the future of muslim-overpopulation" is a problem?


Because I look at the current data and problems that exist and go from there.
There is no reason for a nation to do an experiment that shifts the demographics in such a substantial way .
Let people in but don't go so massively overboard is basically my point.
And what I would do is that:

1. Regulating immigration properly and pragmatic based on the skill of the people applying and not trying to exploit asylum as an immigration tool

2. Integrating the people that already live here
How exactly is of course difficult but possible like for example preventing the formation of districts in which minorities basically only live by themselves and form parallel societies in the first place like the banlieues in France.

3. Researching and counteracting the reasons that prevent the native population from at least having a birthrate that sustains itself e.g. 2,1 children per family which btw would also help every industrial country just from the economically viewpoint.

>>727640657
except that the media says, that there is no islamization in europe retard

>>727632915
where are my promised rightwing deathsquads

>>727638598
Really, are those the best examples you can give? Halal food option and girls not doing PE

>>727633125
Can I get a translation of that?

>>727640545
This is what they say about you.

>>727634024
technically those are 2nd world countries

It is good thing that you regognizze dirty muslims in case of race war.

>>727634507
actually im afraid because i have a goat farm and i dont want my goats getting fucked by anyone but me, and those sand niggers fuck goats

>>727640770
so you just ignored:
>muslims terrorizing europe and the west, to pressure the west to give in more and more
also, media defending islam in anticipatory obedience. and media forms society. yes there is an islamization of europe. but we will fight you soon enough, if you go too far

>>727632915
I would feel bad for them, but they brought this on themselves.

>>727632915
THE VOID NEEDS PURGING.

>>727640122

you keep ignoring the events of the last few years in geopolitics and referencing numbers that will soon dramatically change.

There is a massive refugee and immigration increase going on that will alter the demographics of european countries or do you deny that?


Honestly when you talk about feelings governing the thoughts of Islam sceptics but filter all of that out it seems alot like you are actually projecting.

Play lol and shut up.
Or joint US on 4chan to speak vlearly of the life.
Or add a friend on facebook to say someone says yes to what you write.
Or just think by yourself : who gares of a yes if the other one doesn't think ? I préfer a 'no' and won't get bored by his explanation.

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meehhh its alll good

>>727638441
this

muslims try to adopt antisemitism, so they can act like they are victims, when they are in fact the most violent ideology in history

>>727640611
You probably live in burgerland where postmodern ideas have taken over...
Living in an actual western first world country is living in a place where we value rationality for public affairs as much as we can. For example, a guy like Trump could not be elected here. Some people still get meme'd by medias and politics but they are mostly mocked.

>>727641459
No, I live in Norway actually. Still almost completely feels driven society, and yes "postmodern" I guess. Where do you live that haven't succumbed to this cancer?

I've been to Britain, France, Germany, most of the west actually. Never seen a rational society like the one you allude to.

>>727632915
1 million muslims coming to germany in 2015 alone, butthead

>>727641614
I live in France and I visited Norway twice... You may not understand what rationality is and what postmodern mean... Norway politics are quite rational if you compare to most countries. You're probably butthurt at immigration, minority, sex equality policies but they make sense in a rational way and are not driven by feelings.

>>727641989
Ah, I see. You're delusional.

In Europe :
USA master of army, France master of love (and garant of poliyic of USA)
In asia :
China builds
Russia défends and right for Montherland.
India pray for peace
In africa :
Separated in 8 by USA and France and England (colony and power)
In brasil : everybody livres in ghetto, it's dead

In the world, mongolia stands up on 4chan, and china is trying to keep the weakness and agility of great people safe. USA only lies to keep saké. Europe is helped by the USA. The chief of war gonna fall tomorrow.

In religions : everybody is OK to pray but in france-USA. And Germany wants again the power over the world.

Would you Dave japan or africa? Thèse are the two borders. USA or china?