God doesn't exist.

cool

is it

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>>727186375
You've no logical basis to make that claim

Agreed

>>727186422
what is 'it'?

>>727186375
probably*

>>727186375
Right you are Harry, no bloody post on sundays, not a single one.

>>727186491
is it

>>727186461
I'll show you logic.

But dog does

>>727186550
*no blasted letters, not a single one

Yes, i do.

>>727186375
We can't prove whether there is or isn't a God. There's no evidence for or against

>>727186491
it

we live in a infinite universe, which means everything exists. So yes, god is real, but so is a fucking banana the size of the sun.

>>727186461
>>727186718
Depends on the god. Some god claims can be tested or are self-contradictory.

>>727186718
We can't prove a lot of things. Jumping to conclusions is not an answer.

>>727186803
>which means everything exists
That's not how it works anon.

There is plenty of evidence against. Christians just keep moving goalposts as science advances.

Hundreds of years ago, we didn't know any better, so we explained the existence of our planet and ourselves with God. Now we know how planets are formed, and how we evolved, but the myth of religion is still perpetuated. Why?

It's not because it has any truth to it. It's because it's a virus that is extremely good at replicating and spreading itself.

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>>727186375
nor does my will to live

>>727186853
is it

>>727186843
I don't believe in God or anything. I'm just saying you can't definitively say he/she/it doesn't exist. But I'm just a boring scientist so don't mind me

>>727186718
We can't prove that you are not a faggot, and so we must assume you are a faggot.

>>727186375
Yeah god doesn't exist.
But A god exists. Something that started this all and connects everything. Its definitely not one of the gods any of these stupid religions preach about.

>>727186940
Yep. Some things are impossible. Something with a 0% chance of occurring will never occur, no matter the number of trials.

>>727187160
>Something that started this
Like a quantum fluctuation?
>connects everything
Gravity?

>>727187160
I guess it depends on what you mean by a God, because what you are describing sounds very different than big magical people in the sky.

I kind of like the idea of a totally impartial universe that follows certain laws and has since the beginning of time. After all, who are we to pretend as though we understand the secrets of the universe? We aren't special.

That being said, there's definitely a possibility of some higher power. But until I see evidence for it, I will not believe in it.

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Religion is a pretty good meme.

>>727187034
You could be a scientist or a gas station janitor.
It makes no different who it's coming from.

>>727187417
>But until I see evidence for it, I will not believe in it.

Yeah same here but its still fun to think about and discuss.
I think if there is some form of higher power it might even be inconceivable to us. Like explaining gravity to an ant.

>>727187160
>But A god exists
And if I said a god doesn't exist I'd be just as right and wrong as you.

I have superpowers btw. I just don't use them.

>>727186375
is he coming from or going to the background?

>>727187739
he's going to fuck your mom

>>727187709
Yeah I worded wrong. Sounded like was saying it was 100% true.

Was just expressing my opinion and thoughts. I actually have no idea, none of us do.

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>>727187166
do you believe that theres anything that simply science cant explain ? If no, then we have to agree to disagree. or change to spiderman thread.

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>>727186375
"I'm so upset with my life that I spend time on 4chan trying to bait people into getting mad because I don't like that they believe in."


mfw

>>727188030
Not yet

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>Theists: I don't have proof God exists, but i believe it because i can feel it in my heart
>Atheists: What an idiot! Doesn't he know there's no God? I mean, I don't have any proof, but i can feel it in my heart.

>>727187166
>something with a 0% chance of occurring will never occur
Well thats not true one bit, everything is possible. Just because you will never do it or you will never see it occur doesn't mean someone or something else won't do it. 0s and percentages are just a man made concept there for everything exist.

>>727188030
>do you believe that theres anything that simply science cant explain ?
Not when it comes to reality, no. If such a thing did exist, we wouldn't be able to know it.

>>727188423
>everything is possible
Rubbish. A will never equal not A. There will never be a married bachelor. Just because we don't know something to be impossible doesn't mean that it is actually possible.

>>727188405
>theists: I believe god exists, thus in this one case the burden of proof does not fall on me to prove it. but on you to disprove it

I am going to argue that there is a God. Stay with me on this though as it will take a bit of explaining.

Time ago there was God. God decided to create life but not through the seven day Adam and Steve bullshit they peddle in church. No what happened is that God decided to roll the dice. He/she/it/whatever threw down the building blocks of life and waited to see what happened. We were the result. Thing is... God did not like what came out. We were (and yo this very day continue to be) a disappointment.

When exactly we will never know but God walked away and left us to flap about in our own shit. Since then it has all been on us. All the acts of good and all the bad. No divine guidance or intervention. No destiny or fate. All of our achievements and failures, miracles and tragedy, have all been of our own making.

Have you heard of the saying "every day we drift further from God"? It doesn't mean we are getting worse (although we are) and drifting further from God's plan for us. No. It means that God is actively still walking away from us. It doesn't matter how good or bad we are. God doesn't care.

From this you can take one of two things. 1. That there is good in the world because we choose to be good, not because some divine bearded git makes us so. 2. Evil is something we choose to be. Its not the devil or some test from up high, if your bad then that's on you. Either choose to change or revel in it.

We will never meet God. That Fuck abandoned us. This life is what we make it. For better or for worse.

>>727189031
>I am going to argue that there is a God
>fails to actually present an argument for there being a God

>>727189031
This has the same probability of being true as Islam. Not saying your wrong, just saying you probably are.

>>727189206
kek

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>>727188985
The burden of proof is on both sides. "Well they can't back up their claim, so that means i don't have to!" is a weak ass cop-out.

>>727188405
>Agnostics: g-guy we can't really know, haha...
>Antitheists: FUCK YOU GODSN'T EXIST
>Buddhists: blah blah follow the path
>Nihilists:
>Absurdists: kek

>>727186375
I agree

>>727189562
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Theists claim a god exists, therefore they have a burden of proof. Atheists who claim a god does not exist also have a burden of proof, but one need not make that claim to be an atheist. You can simply reject the theistic claim without accepting the negation.

>>727189562
This is where an impasse in created. Two sides of monkeys trying to prove who's right.

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>>727186375
delete this

These dubs prove otherwise.

>>727190059
No god confirmed.

>>727190110
I think he meant THESE dubs

>>727186422
SA bro?

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>>727189890
That's what always gets me about "burden of proof" in theological debates.

Someone will whip out "burden of proof", tip their fedora and tell r/atheism about how they totally destroyed a theist, but isn't "There is no god" as much a claim as "There is a god"?
Why are they exempt from proof?

>>727189947
It's a dumb debate for both parties. Both sides are completely impossible to prove or disprove, at the moment at least, so it becomes a mobius strip circle jerk.

>>727190607
>isn't "There is no god" as much a claim as "There is a god"?
Yes, but atheists don't need to claim that. A person is an atheist if and only if they do not believe in gods. An atheist can believe that there are no gods, but it is not necessary.

>>727186375
gj figuring out the answer to the easiest question in the world

>>727186422
>they dont think it be how it do, but is

>>727190904
Depends on person's perception of what this God is that the person is speaking about.

Not sure if this is relevant, but I think machines can reach a point to where people would think they were gods.
Think about the replicators from Stargate. There's only so far organics can peak, before getting vastly outpaced by machines.

This post wasn't meant to prove or disprove anything. Just food for thought.

>>727191175
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, but that doesn't mean it is actually magic.

>>727191175
>machines can reach a point to where people would think they were gods
Some people might but true God is not limited by natural laws I think.

>>727186803
We arent even sure its infinite anymore. Its almost more likely it isnt.

>>727187160
>believing this

Whew lad

>>727191331
>advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

>>727191383
>God is not limited by natural laws I think

YES, this is what I'm talking about. If you took a cellphone to the 19th centuray people would this it was magic. Imperishable even. How do we distinguish god-like advancement to some that can actually "bend" the laws of reality.
Hell, what if one day we learn how to create black holes?

>>727191784
This is why appeals to the supernatural as an explanation always fail.

>>727189031
Tl;dr

You're gay

>>727186803
Even if the universe is infinite, which it's not, that doesnt mean everything exists in it.

No where in a therortically limitless universe is there a square circle, as an example.

>>727191175
>think about the replicators from stargate

Virgin detected

>>727192209
guilty as charged :^)

>>727192209
Kek

>>727186375
YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT!!!

checkmate atheist.

/thread

>>727193221
If God is defined as a non-existent,
Then God does not exist.

God is dead. We killed him.

>>727187338
undisputed
god disproved again

Oh shut the fuck up. Go back to fucking reddit and join the rest of the empty husks.

>>727191784
doesnt matter what ppl think. U can get components and make it work within natural laws. And also no1 brought god to us yet, so why would we believe in any?

Fucking conformist faggot.

>>727186803
infinity doesn't imply absence of rules. For example the amount of integers is infinite, and yet it's a category of infinite that's too small to count real numbers.

If there's no god, then who invented all that weed you been smoking?
>checkmate

>>727187338
Could just be orbital wobble.

>>727186375
yes I do anon

I am God

prove me wrong

you can't.

checkmate.

>>727195242
God does not exist.
You exist.
Therefore, you are not God.

king me

>>727195121
well i'd like to know who dealt it
>inb4 DEA

>>727195354
ur a faggit
checkmate

>>727186375
Right. So everything you see around you just came to be by chance. Dumbass.

>>727195583
>I'm going to refute this asshole by being an asshole
Good job. Very convincing.

>>727186375
Your saying this in the most godless part of the internet.

>>727186718
No evidence for or against, but more logic against.

>>727195583
Depends on what you mean by chance, but yes.

>>727195887
Nah, there are more godless parts of the internet.

>>727195583
So you're suggesting that something can't just appear out of nowhere? Then who created your god? He couldn't just pop into existence, according to you...

>>727186375
Universe does not need it... Only humans does...

>>727195583
not by chance
and yes, like the anon says - what made god?

>>727195583
>So everything you see around you just came to be by chance
In the land of shit, even a statue of ash is beautiful.

>>727186918
True. As long as we "don't understand" religion will remain. Aside from the people that willfully claim ignorance.

>>727186375
God is just an idea...so yeah, God exists in many forms

>>727196729
Superman is just an idea...so yeah, Superman exists in many forms

>>727190778
But OP is specifically claiming that there is no god. Maybe not all atheists need to, but this one did. In this case that is the claim that needs to be disproved.

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You can neither claim nor deny the existence of a god.

Such things are beyond your mild reasoning.

You are but a twig adrift in the ocean. You know not of what lies above you, nor below.

>>727196729
philosophy outlines the types of existence. God exists conceptually

>>727197044
>You can neither claim nor deny the existence of a god.
Of course you can. People do it all the time, and no special knowledge is required to deny the existence of something.

>>727186375
God is a concept
By which we measure
Our
Pain
I'll say it again

>>727197044
Anyone who practices a faith would disagree with you. Yet, you seem to be taking a nihilistic approach to life.
I'm not sure you even had a point.

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No God(s)? No way! Yes indeedy. Even kids know this shit.

>>727186375
Ok. So what?

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>>727186375
No shit. Something does that our brains will never be able to come close to understanding.

>>727186375
>God doesn't exist.
Mods do not exist

God exists... in the minds of the retarded.

>>727197313
Faith is a concept that is excercised in the face of ignorance.

>>727197275
There is nothing for you to base either claim on.

Neither exists evidence in light of the claim nor evidence in light of the contrary.

You are playing a game called being human. This is your limitation.

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>>727186718

>There's no evidence for or against


There's also no evidence "for or against" the existence of leprechauns, unicorns, tooth fairies, easter bunnies, Santa Claus (not St. Nick but the mythological/fantasy character), werewolves, vampires, and ghosts.

Also, this list could go on forever, literally, I could just make shit up that has no evidence for it. You have no evidence that a Gamorkle (just a magical creature I just made it up) "doesn't exist", there's no evidence to support that it doesn't exist. Does that "lack of evidence" still give any credence to the idea that it exists? No.

Epistemology 101 - you can't disprove an non-existent thing, you can only prove existent things.


Lack of evidence does not support the possibility of something existing. It simply doesn't exist, that's why there is no evidence.

>>727198989
Rejecting a claim is not itself a claim, except for in a pedantic way like "I claim that you haven't met the burden of proof for your claim". Rejecting a claim is not equivalent to accepting the negation.

>>727186461
exactly same is with saying that god exists. there's no actual logic.

>>727186718


Literally "evidence against" the existence of something is not a thing.

Only evidence *for* things is a thing.

>>727199209
*a non-existent thing

>>727193221


It's impossible to prove a negative.


Also, stop threading your own posts. It only makes you look like a huge fucking faggot.

I have transcended humanity. I am God.

>>727199234

What I am saying is you can twist your words in any way you wish.

You will still be no closer to knowing the upper workings of this 'reality'.

>>727200173
Okay, as long as you recognize that no knowledge of the 'upper workings' of this 'reality' is necessary to reject god claims while being rational.

>>727199209
And how would you go about proving your own existence.

How would you prove that you existed in the past?

How can you prove to another that you are real?

How can you be proved to have existed once you are not but dust?

>>727200342
Yet i believe that human rational is limited and imperfect.

>>727200535
>How can you be proved to have existed once you are not but dust?


I'll be dead. I won't give a shit.

>>727200708
Good answer.
That is the essence of our reality.

>>727200691
Human rational is limited and imperfect, that's why people often fall for fallacious reasoning.

>>727200853
yes.

>>727201048
Alright, good. It is not a failure of human rationality to reject a claim that has not met its burden of proof.

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>>727186375
Subjective arguments don't count with communal belief systems relying upon non cognitive evidence.

>>727200535


read about Presentism, it's literally the philosophical view that the present is all that truy exists, the past and future are primarily ideas of them mind/brain, things do go in and out of existence

>>727201297
yes.

>>727200535
>How would you prove that you existed in the past?
>How can you prove to another that you are real?
>How can you be proved to have existed once you are not but dust?
Birth records, my SSN, my drivers license, tax returns, bank accounts, my name on several published scientific papers I wrote/help write

>>727201511
>all impermanent articles that will fade with time

>>727201652


Everything comes, everything goes.


Your ego is trying to fly against the wind and you will end up breaking your wings.

>>727201652
So what you are saying is I need to build a pyramid?
Also scientific knowledge is normally well kept, so it will be here long after I die

>>727201879
? that is literally my point

>>727202051
>pyramids are impermanent
>mankind is impermanent

>>727202177
Stone is pretty permanent

>>727202092


Impermanence is the fundamental insight of the Buddhists, not the Christians.

>>727186461
If he had made this thread with the words "tooth fairy" instead of "god", you would not have posted that. You would have just agreed with him.

You should ask yourself why.

>>727202315
the earth is constantly recycling itself.
the sun is slowly swallowing the earth.
the galaxy is slowly swallowing the sun.
the universe is slowly dissapating the galaxy. the universe is a dream that the darkness is having.

>>727202393
i follow zen philosophy.

>>727186918
>.....but the myth of religion is still perpetuated. Why?

Because morons have cash and priests are averse to getting a real job.

>>727202630
galaxy isnt swallowing the sun and sun isnt slowly swallowing earth

>>727202630
>the earth is constantly recycling itself.
Yes
>the sun is slowly swallowing the earth.
No, when it happens it will be sudden
>the galaxy is slowly swallowing the sun.
No evidence of this, stars on the outter edge of galaxies are traveling at the same rate as inner.
>the universe is slowly dissapating the galaxy.
Actually it's the space between galaxies that is growing
>the universe is a dream that the darkness is having.
Dumb

>>727203169
-.- riiight everything is going to keep spinning around merrily and everything is going to be just fine and dandy.

>>727203389
not necesserily, but its not happening the way u wrote

>>727189031
I 100% agree with ya on this.

Also all my prove your not a robots are street signs :|

>>727187417
here's a secret:
>almost nobody believes in a big magical person in the sky

If this is your understanding of religion, and why you're against it, you're god damn retarded and should try listening to some actually intelligent religious people

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>>727203817
>intelligent religious people

>>727203817
Replace big with infinite, magical with miraculous, and sky with outside reality and you hit a lot more people.

>>727203817
im against it,cuz it makes good ppl do bad things

>>727186375
>God doesn't exist.
incorrect statement. you should say "there is no good reason to believe god exists" Otherwise, you're being just as irrational as theists.

>>727204441
definitely not as irrational

>>727186375
Bogd pusnt nexmist

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>>727203341
>when it happens it will be sudden
probably. it is likely that the sun will implode before that happens
>stars on outer edge traveling at same rate
gravity is like a massive bedsheet. when a massive object is placed upon it, everything else sinks toward that point.
the swirling motion of galaxies is purported to be caused by a phenomena such as the 'big bang'.
our ability to accurately depict the working of universal forces (ie the motion of stars) is severely limitted because of the difference between the lifespan of mankind and the lifespan of the cosmos.
>space between galaxies that is growing
if the supermassive blackhole theory is true, galaxies will either be swallowed or sucked in and spat out, much like a supernova.
>dumb
everything that you have ever experienced has been through the force of consciousness. this is the way that the universe percieves itself. when your consciousness ends, your known universe will also cease. materialistic idealogies have no basis, for everything that we know is filtered by consciousness. or rather, is consciousness. thereby it is not so far a stretch to say that we are dreaming. without conscious observers, there would be no universe.

>>727203624
Then you are incapable of understanding gravity.

>>727186531
/thread

>>727204441
Actually he should have said godS don't exist.

Never miss an opportunity to remind christians that their favourite god is one of thousands.

>>727205003
yes, the gravity of the situation.

>>727186375
you are right

>>727205003
u r a moron

>>727204903
>if the supermassive blackhole theory is true
You can have a stable orbit around a black hole.
>this is the way that the universe percieves itself
You say that as though the universe has goals.
>when your consciousness ends, your known universe will also cease
Your perception of the universe ceases, but the actual universe continues on.
>materialistic idealogies have no basis
Except for the observation that matter existed prior to any known consciousness.
>thereby it is not so far a stretch to say that we are dreaming
In the sense that your brain is merely interpreting signals rather than having direct access to reality.
>without conscious observers, there would be no universe
Unjustified conclusion.

>>727187160
Kinda what I also think.
What caused the big bang? Was it just luck that those particles banged together and created the universe?

The Good Father exists

>>727205876
The big bang was not particles banging together.

>>727206285
What was it then?
Thought that was what happened

>>727205651
Actually i am a highly intelligent individual with the extremely unusual ability to think for myself, rather than vomitting out whatever christianized idiocy that ive been spoonfed up until this point. If you had half of the intellectual capability that i have, you too would be able to visualize gravity and say 'ah! So thats how it works.' Rather, you would prefer to believe in a massive conglomerate of fragmented ideals distorted by egoism and a laughable mental capacity, than have a single original thought.

>>727206350
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

>>727206396
oh yeah? How much of earth did the sun already eat?

>>727205707
The universe as we know it is just that.
We cannot access what lies behind the veils of perception. We cannot even be sure that anything is there. Therefore the claim that materialism is superior to consciousness is as unbased as the claim that an all powerful being created the universe.

>>727206459
Cheers

But now this question got in my mind.
How long was that singularity there?
Where did it come from?


Fuck it. I need to smoke some weed and think this over

>>727204903
>probably. it is likely that the sun will implode before that happens
Sun doesn't have enough mass to implode
>gravity is like a massive bedsheet. when a massive object is placed upon it, everything else sinks toward that point.
That's Space-time, the warping of Space-time with matter
>the swirling motion of galaxies is purported to be caused by a phenomena such as the 'big bang'.
Wrong
>our ability to accurately depict the working of universal forces (ie the motion of stars) is severely limitted because of the difference between the lifespan of mankind and the lifespan of the cosmos.
actually it's pretty easy to predict how things move in a frictionless plane
>if the supermassive blackhole theory is true, galaxies will either be swallowed or sucked in and spat out, much like a supernova.
Supermassive blackholes are true, but there is no evidence they go supernova. Stars go supernova when they do not have enough mass to collapse on themselves to make a blackhole
>everything that you have ever experienced has been through the force of consciousness. this is the way that the universe percieves itself. when your consciousness ends, your known universe will also cease. materialistic idealogies have no basis, for everything that we know is filtered by consciousness. or rather, is consciousness. thereby it is not so far a stretch to say that we are dreaming. without conscious observers, there would be no universe.
False, Universe existed and will exist without us

>>727206558
Your question is wholely unintelligible.
How much has your coffin already encased your corpse?

ITT: DIABETIC SHIT IN 12 YEAR OLDS WHO HAVE IQS OF 60-80 DEBATING WIKIPEDIA LEARNED SCIENCE

>>727206673
>Therefore the claim that materialism is superior to consciousness
Except there is evidence for materialism being primary (physical damage to the brain causing changes in consciousness for instance).

>>727206898
>How long was that singularity there?
Time is relative.
>Where did it come from?
Why do you think that it had to "come from" anywhere?

>>727206970
Spacetime is gravity.

Though it may be a frictionless plane, it is not an even surface. I dont expect you to understand this though, because i doubt you can think in four dimensions.

>False, Universe existed and will exist without us
>>727206673

>>727206989
it didnt, just like the sun didnt eat up the earth at all, slowly or quickly

>>727207357
Evidence that can only exist in the presence of a conscious mind.

>>727207594
But it will.

If God was destroyed, would I cease to exist?

>>727207716
Please support your claim.

>>727199209


OHHHHHHH LOOK AT THE EDGY ATHEIST.

WHAT A FAT FUCK.

HERE'S A HINT FAGGOT AND ASK YOUR HEROES, YOU KNOW THE GUY WHO MADE 120 MILLION BEING AN ATHEIST FOR YOU VIRGINS:

ENERGY CAN NOT BE CREATED OR DESTROYED, CORRECT?

SO WHERE EXACTLY DID THE ENERGY COME FOR THE BIG BANG?

LET ME GUESS? IT JUST DID?

LMFAO. DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE THEORIES BEHIND THE BIG BANG,LIKE "INFLATIONARY UNIVERSE" MODEL? IT'S MORE RIDICULOUS THAN LEPRECHAUNS.

WE ARE MONKEYS DUDE.MONKEYS. WE BARELY CAN KEEP A DIABETIC PATIENT ALIVE YOU FAT FUCK. YOU CAN'T EVEN WIPE YOUR ASS PROPERLY.

>>727207893
which god?

>>727207893
Do you exist?

>>727207571
>Though it may be a frictionless plane, it is not an even surface. I dont expect you to understand this though, because i doubt you can think in four dimensions.
hur dur 4th dimension, only I know what position with respect to time is

>>727206673 #
>implying the universe didn't exist for over 13 billion year before we were here to witness it

>>727208019


THERE IS ONE GOD YOU FAT FUCK. WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, THE UNIVERSE HAD TOBE CREATED BY SOMETHING AND THAT SOMETHING IS "UNKNOWN".

THAT GOD CAN BE A SPACE ALIEN, MY COCK, YOU MOM'S PUSSY...BUT THERE IS A "GOD"

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>>727186375
I know.

>>727208113
>>implying the universe didn't exist for over 13 billion year before we were here to witness it


THEORIES FUCK FACE.IT'S ALL THEORIES.JUST BECAUSE WE REPLACE THE WORD THEORY WITH "MODEL" DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY MORE REAL THAN MOSES.

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>>727206396
>Actually i am a highly intelligent individual with the extremely unusual ability to think for myself, rather than vomitting out whatever christianized idiocy that ive been spoonfed up until this point.

*tips fedora*

>>727208190
How did you decide that there is only one? Plenty of religions have claimed that there are many. What do you know that they don't?

>>727208190
>THE UNIVERSE HAD TOBE CREATED BY SOMETHING
Why? What created that something?

>>727208007
Every scientific theory is subsequent to consciousness (requires a conscious observer). Everything that we know is parceled by consciousness. It may not feel proper to say that consciousness preceeds material, but using the same logic by which we dictate everything else, consciousness is prior to all things.

>>727206396


REPLACE CHRISTIANITY WITH CURRENT POPULAR ATHEIST AND VIOLA- YOU ARE A DUMB FUCK REGURGITATING SHIT.

>>727186375
Read some Aquinas, pleb.

>>727186375
yeah he does dummy

>>727186375
apples are delish

>>727208415


YOU DUMB FUCK- WE DON'T KNOW. THAT'S THE CASE. I AM NOT SAYING THERE IS A "RELIGIOUS GOD" BUT WHATEVER CREATED THIS UNIVERSE IS THE "GOD". WE HAVE AN ORIGIN. SOMETHING CREATED US. WHETHER IT IS WAS A MISTAKE OR NOT- SOMETHING STARTED THIS. THE QUESTION IS: WHERE THE FUCK DID THAT "SOMETHING" COME FROM?

WE WILL NEVER EVER KNOW. NO MATTER HOW SMART YOU THINK WE ARE- WE ARE NOT.

>>727208358
Ha, yeah thats funny. I also happen to be tall, within a healthy weight margin, and incredibly handsome.

I think you are a more likely candidate to don the fedora, you shitposting pepe faggot.

>>727186461
>>727186375
Samefag

>>727208531
“The blessed in the kingdom of heaven will see the punishments of the damned, in order that their bliss be more delightful for them.”

Classy guy. Another "good" christian.

>>727208531
>Aquinas


NOT RELIGIOUS HERE BUT HE'S GOT SOME ADVANCED SHIT. ESPECIALLY FOR 800 YEARS AGO.

>>727208513
But i am not an athiest.
And all of my ideas are my own.

>>727208496
But a thing is needed with consciousness to make an observation right? Consciousness is not observed without a thing having it but there are things without consciousness.

>>727208488


SOMETHING DOESN'T COME FROM NOTHING YOU DUMB FUCK. I CAN PUT AIR IN A BOX AND WHAT 300 BILLION YEARS AND NOTHING WILL BE CREATED YOU DUMB FUCK.

LOOK AT THAT MCDONALDS MEAL YOU HAVE IN YOUR HAND. YOU REALLY THING ALL 24 BIG MACS CAME FROM NOTHING?

>>727208961


SURE THEY ARE FAT FUCK. YOUR IDEAS COME FROM 14 HRS. SURFING USELESS SITES YOU DUMB FUCK. 7 BILLION PEOPLE HERE FATSO. NO ONE IS SPECIAL ANYMORE.

>>727208496
Scientific theories describe material phenomena that occur regardless of whether we have a scientific theory to account for it. It does not feel proper to say that consciousness proceeds material because that conclusion does not follow and we instead have reason to believe otherwise (i.e. consciousness is a result of the material).

>>727208828
Seven minutes ago.....
>THERE IS ONE GOD YOU FAT FUCK
One minute ago.....
>WE DON'T KNOW

Kek. Good thing you are using caps or you would look like a complete moron.

Yes he does

>>727208113
I do not feel like answering this because you have not given a lick of support toward your argument. Grade A shitpost.

>>727208531
>implying Aquinas hasn't been torn to shreds

>>727208904


YOU DO REALIZE HE ASKED YOU TO PRAY FOR THE "DAMNED" RIGHT?


YOU ARE A GOOGLE PIRATE FAT FUCK. THINK A LITTLE.

But he is. Inb4 trips

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>>727186375
We don't know.

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>>727208832
read everything you have written.. you are trying to prove how much of a good person you are on 4chan, do you fucking realize that? You are on my level. Claiming to be "highly intelligent" makes you sound like a neckbeard faggot, faggot.

>>727186375
If that was true, this post and website wouldn't exist, FAGGOT.

>>727209064
>SOMETHING DOESN'T COME FROM NOTHING YOU DUMB FUCK
Why does it need to "come from"? Why can the universe not simply exist? What about that something that you think the universe came from? Where did it come from?

>>727209465


WHEN I SEE SOME LOSER DOING THAT ONLINE- MY HEART SINKS. WHY? BECAUSE WE ARE DOOMED AS HUMANS.

>>727209509
We don't know

>>727207802
BUT ITS NOT EATING IT SLOWLY, AND ITS NOT GONNA EAT IT AT ALL - SUNS GONNA EXPAND AND ITS GONNA BE RLY CLOSE TO EARTH. AND THAT IS GONNA HAPPEN IN 5000000 YEARS. U R WRONG ON ALL ACCOUNTS, U FUCK
HIGHLY INTELLIGENT MY ASS

>>727209547
I agree.

>>727209034
Presumably, or so we believe.
Yet we can not prove that there is anything else because we can not experience anything that is not consciousness.

This is where language becomes pointless. In otherwords, it is a paradox.

>>727209391
so why would u believe there is 1

>>727209258
Kek, yea ok anon, I have backing up my claims with basic cosmology while you over here think the sun has enough mass to implode and thinks blackholes go supernova

Learnbasiccosmolgy

>>727209681
But, we don't know.

>>727209511


ARE YOU REALLY ASKING ME WHERE YOUR FUCKING IPHONE CAME FROM? HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW ?

ALL I KNOW IS I DID IN DEPTH UNIVERSITY STUDY OF THE BIG BANG FOR MY PHYSICS DEGREE AND IT'S A FUCKING BIZARRE , STUPID "MODEL" THAT CAME TO PREDOMINANCE DUE TO POLITICAL PRESSURE,NOT SCIENCE.

>>727209762
but, why would u believe?

>>727209650
>we can not experience anything that is not consciousness
Ever tried talking to a rock...and expected it to talk back?

>>727209191
You are right, of course.
I'm just making light of the fact that, though it seems to be the most obvious conclusion of them all, we still cannot prove that matter exists without consciousness.

>>727209962


YEP. I TALK TO GUYS HERE AND THEY TALK BACK.

>>727209927
I don't know believe, since no info.
We don't know. It's pure evolution

>>727210110
>I don't believe*

>>727209171
Your ideas came from a book that has been translated and rewritten to the point of complete obscurity.

Your religion has been nothing but one terribly long game of 'telephone'.

>>727209193
lol.

>>727210110
we do know a lot and so far none of the known points to there being 1

>>727210217


WHAT BOOK IS THAT FAT FUCK? I AM NOT RELIGIOUS YOU DUMB PIZZA EATING WANNABE.

I HAVE A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND MS IN HUMAN BIOLOGY AND EVERY SINGLE THEORY ABOUT HOW AND WHY WE ARE HERE ARE AS BIZARRE AS THE RELIGIOUS TEXTS,

>>727188985
There is no burden of proof on beliefs. So as long as someone is not stating something as fact, then they don't have to prove it. You can't prove one opinion to be better than another. There's a reason why it's called faith.

>>727186375
you dont exist then by your stupid logic

>>727209969
In any sort of absolute sense, of course not. We can't even prove that the reality we observe and the people we interact with actually exist at all (solipsism). What we can do is realize that, actually real or not, we seem to experience this reality and that certain modes of thought are more conducive to operating in it.

>there is no God!
>Got proof?
>The is a God!
>Got proof?
Oh, both the atheists and the religious people are dumb as fuck

>>727210478
You got your "degree" from a diploma mill, didn't you?

>>727210427
Exactly, neither that there isn't one

>>727210539
All people are either theists or atheists.

>>727207487
>Why do you think that it had to "come from" anywhere?
It can't be just created out of nothing.
You can't just create things out of nothing.
It had to come from something.

>>727209193


THAT'S HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE YOU PIZZA EATING FAT FUCK. YOU CAN'T EVEN WIPE YOUR ASS PROPERLY AND YOU PRETENDT KNOW WHAT EVERY SINGLE SCIENTIST WILL ADMIT IS A THEORY?

MY DEFINITION OF "GOD" IS WHAT CREATED THIS WORLD. CAN BE A MAN INA CAPEOR A PRIMORDIAL ENERGY THAT WAS SPREAD IN SPACE. WE DON'T KNOW FUCK FACE,


FIND THE DEFINITION OF GOD THEN WE TALK 12 YEAR OLD.

>>727209465
Actually im just participating in a heated discussion because i enjoy stimulating my mind.

Pretending to be edgy is just a ploy that I use to gaurantee angry responders, kek.
The livelier the better.

Meanwhile you are here trolling Anonymous users because you think you are somehow going to hurt someones feelings. You are pathetic.

>>727186375
I am right here , my son.

>>727210759
Why do you think it had to be created? If it had to be created from something, where did that something come from?

>>727186918

"We know how we evolved"?

Really - we know that do we. Have you ever taken one minute of your time to know how we eveolved?

>>727209636
Lol ok.

You know, you really seem like the smartest guy on this board ;)

>>727210217
So has your government, so what?

>>727210759


SHHH...THEY AREN'T AT THE CONSERVATION OF ENERGY IN GRADE 6 YET. DON'T CONFUSE THE BUDDING ATHEIST.


DON'T MENTION ABOUT THE ISSUE OF PRIMORDIAL OOZE WE CAME FROM AND HOW THE FUCK DNA FORMED IN WATER..SLAT AND SULPHERIC WATER NOLESS

>>727210753
When those words are used pragmatically, yeah, I mean, my country created these, so,.. atheist means one with no God, which I am one, but atheists(the group*) push that like a fact, so I'd say I'm atheist agnostic

>>727210808


NAH YOU ARE JUST A SHUT IN AUTISTIC FAT FUCK.

>>727210788
Why call mindless energy God? Doesn't that just lead to confusion?

>>727203027
they sure would be better at that government job you mom have right?

>>727210753
Deist reporting here

>>727210629
evidence dont prove negative. Theyve proven all we know is possible through natural means.

>>727210759
wrong - study the big bang theory - it says nobody took nothing and created everything - and you think i'm crazy to believe there is a God - how crazy is your faith in science

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>>727210946


HE DIDN'T.


ASK HIM TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING SIMPLE TO YOU: OUR FLIGHT FROM WATER.

ASK HIM WHAT WAS THE EVOLUTIONARY ADVANTAGE OF LEAVING 70% OF THE EARTH TO LIVE MISERABLE ON 30 % OF IT.

>>727186375
you mean God doesn't exist, YET

>>727211167
u believe in god. U r a theist.

>>727209962
What you percieve to be a rock is just that.

Your perception of a rock.

You cannot in any way experience that rock without first being conscious of it.

The rock may not be conscious. But it is an article of your consciousness.

>>727211177
Well that's what one scientist said, is it proven?

>>727211075
>atheists(the group*) push that like a fact
I'd say that's a minority. Even the vocal "New Atheists" like Dawkins won't claim that it's a fact.
>I'd say I'm atheist agnostic
As most atheists are.

>>727211096


TO RABID ATHEIST FAT FUCKS- YES.

TO NORMAL PEOPLE- NO.

>>727211260
Yes I believe in God, but theism is the belief that God intervenes with humanity and deism is the belief that God doesn't intervene with humanity. Big difference.

Low - Average IQ: Religious
Above average IQ: Atheist
Genius IQ: Religious
You know this is true gags

>>727211360
Didn't knew that second part, I'm glad, this means real evolution.

>>727211167
Okay then. What purpose does it serve to use the god label for such a thing? It seems to me that all it does is open things up for equivocation fallacies.

>>727211191


THAT'S A SUPERFICIAL UNDERSTANDING.WHEN YOU GET "DEEPER"INTO IT , IT GETS EVEN MORE RIDICULOUS. READ ABOUT THE INFLATIONARY MODEL AND HOW THEY USE THIS PHOTO FROM WMAP TO JUSTIFY IT. IT'S MORE OF A STRETCH THAN SAYING MY COCK IS 12".

>>727210936
Bog off, I don't know.
No fucking clue, nobody knows.

>>727211021
Sorry, won't go over grade school science again

>>727211191
Please come back when you have learned to properly write here.
Seriously.
You don't use - as a . or ,

>>727211361
I would think it would cause more confusion to normal people, since normal people consider God to be more along the lines of classical theism.

>>727210478

Wow i didnt know i was talking to a certified scientist.

No wonder you get to type everything in caps like i did when i was an edgy 12 year old shitposting on message boards.

>>727211230
evolution is universally presented as a fact in western society, kids are taught it in school. Therefore nobody questions it. When you do you quickly learn that its a theory with not one shred of supporting evidence.

>>727211384
Because the genius is smart enough to say what everyone wants to hear and keep his real beliefs to himself. The genius knows the argument is not worth having.

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Praise Jesus, the Divine Faggot. No one cums to the Father but through Him.

>>727211342
is there a paper showing anything was done with magic?
>>727211381
>yes, i believe in god
>there r only theists and atheists
it doesnt matter what u think bout god, aside from whether its real, in this case

>>727186375
Pacman would says the same thing about his developer I'm sure

>>727211293
But rocks existed before life. Therefore Materials existed before consciousness

>>727210511
You might just be the only rational individual here.

>>727211384


NOPE. THIS IS NOT TRUE. I'VE MET DUMB RELIGIOUS PEOPLE BUT I HAVE ALSO MET VERY INTELLIGENT ONES. SAME WITH ATHEIST.

IQ HAS NO BEARING ON BELIEFS OF OUR CREATION BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE THEORY IS FUCKING TOXIC.

THE ONLY DUMB PEOPLE I MEET AR MUSLIM.THEY ARE DUMB FUCKS NO MATTER WHAT

>>727211639
>scientific theory
>not one shred of supporting evidence
gr8 b8 m8

>>727210619
My money is on 'cereal box'.

>>727211642
This is how I know I'm a genius.

>>727211611
Theism is translated to following-a-god-law/religion/religious, I'm glad you're an using our words

>>727211623


THE ONLY PERSON CAPS LOCKS MATTERS TO IS AUTISTIC PEOPLE. IT DRIVES THEM CRAZY.

>>727211012
I dont believe in the government.

>>727211554
oh yes i have gone deep but lets start simple - how many people out there realize that the big bang stated in another dimension - yes another dimension - how sure is your belief in science just now because the scientist need to invent another dimension in order to present us with a non nonsensical theory such as the big bang. Perhaps its another form of religion?

my god is science

>>727211884
>You're all*

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>>727211082
Thank you for providing such quality content toward this discussion.

>>727211599
i though this was a thread about God not grammar - got anything to contribute on the subject matter?

>>727211691
>Proven magic
No, there's not something proving the contrary either. Your point?

>>727211639
Right...Because there are no similarities between species arms, wrist and hand bones. No similarities between species DNA.

>>727211143
Could you ask someone literate to translate that into English and then re-post please?

If there is a god, then it is surely beyond any understanding we may think we have and surely none of our human religions have the story straight.

For the time being, there's no way to know if there is a god or not. It doesn't matter.

>>727211785


THERE IS NO EVIDENCE SUPPORTING EVOLUTION YOU DUMB FUCK. THAT'S THE WHOLE ISSUE YOU PIECE OF SHIT EDGY WANNABE BE FATSO. FOSSIL RECORDS DON'T SUPPORT EVOLUTION YOU DUMB FUCK. ILL KEEP IT SIMPLE: THERE IS NOT ONE FOSSIL EVIDENCE OF EVOLUTION BECAUSE WE HAVE NO, ABSOLUTELY NONE, INTERMEDIARY FOSSILS.

>>727211752
Prove it.

>>727211493
>What purpose does it serve to use the god label for such a thing?
Because I still believe that God is all powerful, omnipotent, good, etc. I just don't believe that He interacts with humanity.
>It seems to me that all it does is open things up for equivocation fallacies
That's not necessarily a bad thing. No one knows what God looks like, His power, His limits, etc. God (at least for me and most of the religious) can't be measured so leaving His image ambiguous is probably the best thing. Besides, God is already a very ambiguous term: an all powerful being. Think of every individuals' image as God like the phrase "I think therefore I am."
>>727211691
>it doesnt matter what u think bout god, aside from whether its real, in this case
I have no idea what you are trying to say.

>>727211639
When something is regarded as a "theory" in science, it's not the same as your everyday use of the word theory. For something to be made a theory, it must have overwhelming evidence to support it. There can be a god and evolution. There can also be no god and evolution.

>>727212221
In case you're Christian, your book says he made us in his image, we should be able to understand if that's true.

>>727211924
The only people who use caps lock are insecure fucks with overly inflated egos.

>>727211381
That is not the definition. It is simply belief in god(s). Look beyond the first google result.

Everyone on the planet is either theist or atheist. All of the other labels are just masturbation.

>>727212275
Evolution in a timescale even a b8 master like you can't deny

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8

>>727212181
have u read any geology or astronomy paper? U didnt even read a psychology or medicine papers.
They all point to natural causes.
And since no papers prove god, theres no reason to believe any god

>>727212491
Oops, didn't read that part

>>727211384
151 here. Atheist.

>>727212402
>i do believe in go
yes, u r a theist

>>727212275
Except we do have intermediary fossils, even by the strictest definitions. In addition to fossil evidence we have genetic and anatomical evidence. The genetic evidence alone would be sufficient to demonstrate that evolution is true.

>>727212190
yes there are very many similarities between species my friend - tell me - what has that got to do with evolution? When I create landscapes they are also similar because, I, the creator choose to make them so, they do not evolve into similarity, they were created like that

>>727212661
>god*

>>727212142
Grammar always matters.
I did contribute.
The part where someone or something caused the bigbang to happen.
I have a hard time beliving it just happened

>>727212595
God would be a supernatural thing, supernatural. If I saw something supernatural, I would believe.

>>727212190


WHEN FOSSILS FAILED TO SUPPORT THE "COMMON ANCESTOR TREE OFLIFE" THEORY THE FAT FUCK ATHEIST WANNABES MOVED TO DNA SEQUENCE TO PROVE THE "TREE OF LIFE". GUESS WHAT FAT FUCK? THEY FAILED.

YOU KNOW WHY? EXPLAIN HOW BACTERIA, ARCHAEA AND EUKARYA FIT OUR "TREE OF LIFE" LOL.

NEXT TIME YOU ARE AT AN ATHEIST FAT FUCK SEMINAR ASK YOUR GOD THAT QUESTION: I BET YOUGET KICKED OUT.

>>727212491
I'm not a Christian. I'm agnostic, or something. I'm not really sure what to label myself, but I don't actively worship anything or really put any belief in a higher power. If there's a god, then goody, if not, whatever. Doesn't really change anything for me, you know what I mean?

I'm not really a fan of Christianity, though. It's the religion that I initially departed from.

>>727211384
>genius not defined
>>727211782
studies show more intelligence correlates with atheism

>>727211642
>The genius knows the argument is not worth having.
Do you know why we are not still in the dark ages? Because people smarter than you knew that the argument was worth having.

Philosophy major, here.
OP's right. I've looked into it, and there's no god.

The problem is that everyone holds to a belief that we're real. If we develop a computer simulation with conscious awareness, how will this simulation know they have a developer if we never tell them? They wouldn't know, but might invent religious ideas unaware of the limitations of their simulation in contrast to our reality. The simulations "science" would not be perfect or in depth like the science we have here in our simulation. What I'm saying is, God is just another word for our programmer, and he did visit us in the past, maybe will again in the future. We're only simulated beings and our science is not the science our developer has, it's more limited. We cannot use the limited science within the boundaries of our simulation to find our creator who is outside of the simulation, anymore than a sim we create could find us with their limited means.

I believe your mother's spirit is a fucking slut that comes to suck my dick every night.
You can't prove it's not real I'm sorry.

>>727212667


PLEASE LIST THEM.

>>727212492
>>727212661
No, theists believe that God governs his creation, deists believe that God does not govern his creation.

>>727212784
and how would u differentiate it from natural? Did u see illusionists shows? Special, practical effects? What bout "the higher tech it is, the more magic it seems"? What if was just aliens? What if u had a psychotic episode?

>>727212843


WHICH "STUDY" FAT FUCK? THIS ISN'T RELIGION OR FAITH BASED DISCUSSION. WE NEED PROOF YOU ATHEIST FAT FUCK.

>>727212454
yes you are correct and that is why scientist believe evolution to be a hypothesis, as you rightly say it has not got any supporting evidence so it is not in fact a theory - however that is how the world wants to promote it - a theory scientifically proven by fact - totally misleading the western world - but why?

>>727212840
I feel you, probably bad Christian examples.
Atheist agnostic is the technical way if labeling your status, you're like null on that.

>>727213049
ok, its pretty clear that your new here and you think you're doing some 'hardcore trolling' because your trying to piss off 'le edgy 4chan users xd', if your going to do that, at least put some more effort into it because all your being is a very slight inconvenience (if that)

>>727213049
WHY ARE WE YELLING

>>727213001
no, theists believe god exists, unlike atheists - thats why this dichotomy is presented

>>727212372
Really anon?
you are implying molecularly less complex things with a regular ordered crystal lattice structure did not come before more complex. Like Salt crystals (NaCl) did not come before DNA or microbes?

>>727213165
Or it's most likely presented because theists are the largest group of the religious.

>>727212402
>reads back through the conversation
Ah, apologies, I mixed up two lines of conversation. I thought that seemed weird.

Anyways, as for deism, I would categorize it as a subset of theism (belief in at least one god), although I recognize that theist is more typically used to refer to belief in a god that intervenes in the universe.

>>727213008
If it didn't conform on any of the laws of physics and you can't prove its natural, it's supernatural, that's basic.

>>727213212
Blah blah blah nigger nigger nigger.

>>727213056
I don't think you got what I'm saying. My mistake. For something to be made a "theory" in a field of science, it must be backed up with overwhelming evidence.

Evolution is a very real and simple subject. There'd be no point to it's discipline other than uncovering the story of life on our planet.

>>727212667
>we have genetic and anatomical evidence


LIKE? BACTERIA? EUKARYA?

EXPLAIN, IN DETAIL, HOW THEIR DNA "EVIDENCE " (SEQUENCE IS THE WORD YOU ARE LOOKING FOR) FIT IN WITH WHAT WE ARE NOW???


I'LL WAIT.

HINT: THEIR RNA AND DNA SEQUENCE,SOMETIMES, FITS NOTHING WE HAVE EVER SEEN IN OUR "TREE OF LIFE".

LET ME GUESS: THEY CAME FROM MARS ON ASTEROIDS? LMFAO.

>>727213367
I mean, if something went in my room while the door's locked and said to me something, shit, that would probably mean I should stay searching for it

>>727213314
It's really not a subset because theism is always referring to God(s) intervening with his creation. A subset of theism would be monotheism or polytheism.