What's wrong with building a wall for a border we already have?

>>727172767

Because it's not going to work and it's a waste of money

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/27/trump-administration-to-revive-yucca-mountain-nuclear-waste-plan.html

Drain the swamp, fill the mountain!

>>727172767
Because there's already a wall?

>>727172767
Waste of tax payers money.

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>>727172821
>Physical barrier with patrol trench, armed guards, cameras, and wall buried underground
>Not going to work

You got some illegal relatives or something?

>>727172767
Easy, it's a waste of time and money. (and the fact that most Illegal Immigrants come from plane, makes it even more a waste of time.)

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>>727172853
>Already a wall

>>727172944
Nah, wasted dubs, I lived in Germany. They have entire museum's built around how the wall just didn't work to keep people from crossing. It was a symbol of oppression

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It's a sign of weakness, fear, and the willingness to blame your problems on someone else. Other than those things, nothing at all.

>>727172944
Well, lets see

We already have all those things and they still get through

This whole wall thing may beef up the security, but I don't think you understand how big the border is and how clever these bean jumpers can be

I'm telling you man, it's just not going to be cost effective

>>727172944

You fucking retarded or something?

Yeah. You are.

>>727173245
Cost to tax payer will be less than $10

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>>727172944
You can dig under it like they've been doing for years or just climb it...

>>727172821
10k illegal crossings every year that we know about. That's not including the ones we don't. So yes it will work.

>>727173004

Well, that'll be effective towards illegals that can have migraines

>>727172853
Only a fence in some areas.

>>727172855
No that would be Obamacare

>>727173329
Good luck digging under. You haven't seen the underground part of the wall?

>>727172767
It won't work and it's a tremendous waste of taxpayers money.

>>727173201
If the trumpers want a wall so much why dont they just get 7 or 8 of his biggest fans to lay down on the border. Job done.

>>727173132
The Berlin Wall worked.

>>727173415
Lol. Tell us about it

>>727172974
40% still cross the border on foot

A. It's communism. They're going to be forcing Americans who don't want to pay for it. What is that if not communism?

B. They'll have to use eminent domain to take all of the land from private landowners. Right wingers CLAIM to be extremely opposed to the federal government using eminent domain to take private land. Hypocrites.

>>727172767
Nigga can build a cage around America I wouldn't give a shit. No president has impressed me or screwed me over in any way. I'm "Hispanic" but my family has been her for generations legally so this doesn't concern me one bit. All illegals do shit work that no one wants to do anyway. I have a high paying job at a nice chemical facility in an air conditioned office watching the wetbacks work outside. My dad is Mexican and owns 2 business and has never cried about so called "racism" everyone knows what kind of immigrants we want out of our country and if the person is legal and hasn't done anything wrong like rape or any other crime the. They have nothing to worry about. Being legal is a good living.

>>727173415
Havent heard or seen it. How about just dig under the underground part of it, kek.

>>727172944
>planes

Hey everybody remember when bill clinton got a standing ovation for saying he would build a wall? I do
Or hillary saying she wanted it to?
Its inevitable no other politician had the nuts to go through with it because now the left acts like they never wanted that.
And if you are dumb enough to think trump can't work a trade deal with mexico where they don't pay for it then i feel sorry for you.

>>727173461
You keep telling yourself that, Trumpist

>>727173311

And paying for college through taxes will cost even less, so why aren't you advocating for that?

$10x324m is still a lot of money that can be used for something better like possibly putting it towards better immigration reform to get these illegals legal and produce more to the economy

>>727173558
Do you know how soil works?
Didn't think so

>>727173330

Problem is, creating a wall that covers the entire length of the border is geographically impossible due to the landscape.

>>727173132
sad your country got given to all the snackbar goatfuckin mudslimes, but the berlin wall worked just fine until it was taken down. walls work

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>>727173461
Yea, sure. Years later, the waste of space, money, cement and rebar will be removed.

>>727173571
/thread

>>727173532
So obamacare is communism? Taxes are communism?

>>727173685

Except this one will make no difference whatsoever, except all the money US citizens will have to give up in taxes to pay for it.

You faggots don't know how resilient mexicans are.

>>727172767
As a Mexican i say: Nothing, knock yourselves out.
If my pres was trying to pull that shit here with my tax money i'd probably revolt.
Just my 2 pesos.

>>727173685
It worked at keeping people in because the machine guns that would mow anyone down trying to leave.

Walls don't work. Put the Kool aid down friend.

>>727173652
Wtf are u talking about? They have been digging tunnels for years, they will come up with a method im sure to keep soil from collapsing.

You don't understand how big this wall is

Not even planes

>>727173201
the only problem america has is that we let too many 3rd world retards in. this country was best when it was white, and EVERYONE knows that

>>727172944
explain how other immigrants besides mexico cross the border.

>>727173794
Lol how? What is this method?
You are so smart so lets hear it.

>>727173809
I would have thought you'd have taken elementary school American history by now.

Guess not kid. Let us know when you hit 5th grade.

>>727173806
not even satelites

>>727173775
Lol well we all know you aren't mexican but if its their tax money who will pay for the wall funny you say that

>>727173854
Planes. Like most already use.
Now run along little autist.

>>727173330
>>727172944
>what are planes
wew lads
also: as soon as there's a wall, all those people travelling between mexiko and the usa are just going to stay in, in fear that they won't be able to come back

>>727173934
Trump has already gone back on getting Mexico to pay for it, since it was a baseless promise to begin with (like 99% of his promises).

>>727172767
It won't happen. Shumer and the democrats are going after this next. Every piece of legislation from this administration is 100% driven by bigotry, hatred and fear of people who are different than them.

>>727173901

Not even other planets will get though

>>727173934
how retarded can you be to deny something that is not even that hard to understand. I'm mexican too

it is a fact that if the wall is built, it will be paid by the increased taxes of mexican products (see: that does not affect the selling of those products)

>>727172944
You're a special kind of stupid.

>>727173936
But then the wall is effective is what you are saying. Right?
So their only option is to fly after a wall. Wow thank you sir have a good day.
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>>727172767
Because fear is a great motivator when you need to sell a line of bullshit

>>727172855
this

>>727173934
Try again ? Maybe form a coherent sentence this time.

Wow u retard acutally believe mexico are the only immigrants?

well this is 4chan i guess

>>727174106
Are you not literate? Christ. A wall won't stop them from doing what they're already doing?
Hurr Mexicans are flying in and staying? Better build a wall!

Thats you. That's how stupid you sound.

>>727174094
Embargo on mexican goods until they agree.
Boom problem solved.
Mexico would go bankrupt in less than six months if they didn't have US purchasing their products.

I see notting wrong keeping illegals out of country that is going shit because of illegals.

>>727174235
>keeping illegals out of country that is going shit because of illegals.

Sure, keep telling yourself that

Don't buy produce at your local supermarket any more btw

>>727174106
You know how carribien immigrants come in?

>from puerto rico
you know how asian immigrants come in?
>with boats to cali/canada
>you know what are tourist/school visas?
>just stay and hide

Fuck you people are stupid as shit

>>727174229
Hahahahaha.. You're so cute.

>>727174062
Kek... Try again

>>727174229
And you'd be paying $50 for a vegetable. I know Trump supporters lack any form of critical thinking skills, but Jesus at least try to not believe everything fox news tells you.

>>727174106
Um. Tunnels. Gulf of Mexico. Pacific ocean.

Most of them that go in illegally enter normally through the gate.

A wall won't do shit.

Hey faggots, you realize it's mostly Central Americans coming in? Mexico is the one that needs a wall on their southern border.

>>727174209
As if cracking down on planes coming in would be hard.

>>727174315
I dont give a fuck what i have to pay for a week. Then everything goes back to normal when mexico crumbles at trumps feet.

>>727173461
yes, it was very effective at improving Soviet popularity in the west, and was not at all seen by anyone as a symbol of oppression.

The thousands of people who survived crossing the wall tell fond stories of how huge and great the wall was. The most beautful wall they ever had the pleasure to tunnel under

I hope Trump's wall will be twice as big and twice as beautiful

>>727174338
You really don't understand what's going on at all, do you? It might be time to stop making a fool of yourself, friend.

>>727174229
Thats illegal and violates the U.N treaties

try again

accepting borders is wrong

>>727174229
Naw man, China already replaced you in those terms.

Everybody wants our delicious avocados and mangos.

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>ppl forget the ends of the border is water

>>727174330
Tunnels have been proven impossible with the underground part of the wall. Lurk more.

>>727174379
Self hating fag that wants to watch the world burn...because broke.

>>727174229
Yeah i'm sure all the American corporations that depend on mexican exports would bend over backwards going bankrupt for Trump too.

Come on dude, stop being retarded.

>>727172767
nothing, lib tards argue against common sense every day

>>727172944
You dense motherfucker.

Undocumented people try to pass the wall.
If you shoot at them you are killing people without a trial, wich is ilegal even in your country.

If you lock them in jail, no country will recognize them as they are undocumented, so can't send them to their country.

There are similar walls around the world, they just dont work.

Also, the sea, ilegal airplanes... submarines... your country spend 30 years triying to stop drugs from the same countries... and fail.

Why are Americans so lazy?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a7q3ofdJRKc

>>727174379
You're not a bright man are you... Is the Kool aid at least good?

>>727174333
Central americans are going to mexico to get to the US, not to stay in mexico.

>>727174468
libtards mean libertarians or liberals?

>>727174424
/thread
They can make a wall that floats on water, but then they could just swim under it just like digging under a wall on land. Kek.

>>727174379
And this is a clear example of what Trump supporters actually believe.

There will be a civil war on your country soon, an you probably won't survive lol

>>727174465
>>727174458
"I dont understand how the business world works."
There fixed that for you guys

>>727174235
Did you graduate from the Trump university bro?

>>727174500
(You)

>>727173642
Of course an intelligent answer gets no responses.

>>727174430
There are literally thousands of kilometers on the border with Mountains.
The tunnels are on the mountains, not the ground, newfriend.

>>727174539
Here is another paid shill. Making zero valid points. Call me dense next. I like that one.

>>727174468
>when you have no argument and everyone's logic is disproving the retardation you've been fed.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE LIBTARD CUCK!

>Wew...thought I was going to lose the argument and look autistic.

>>727173625
I will.
And the wall is coming.

>>727174582
>>727174539
tell me on the doll where trump hurt you

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>Chicano here

No doudt theres alot of illegals mexicans here

but there's a shitload of immigrants disguising themselves as Mexicans or miss identified as mexicans.
Granted i'm an east cost mexican we arent too bad assimilate well

i hear horrific storys of west coast mexicans tho

i thought that lowes parking lot mexicans was a joke when i was younger

I hear from relatives that even mexico is having an immigrant crisis

>>727174229
>assuming Mexico won't just seek out new markets
>assuming the US wouldn't then realize it just DP'd itself economically

>>727173642
College has nothing to do with illegal immigration.

>>727174556
Thanks for coming out and just saying so.
At least you can read between lines.

>>727174649
What you posted is what every shill does everyday.
No valid points just call you a trumpet or something.

>>727174710
Are you... Are you being retarded on purpose?

>>727174338
They're not planes landing on official runways, friendo. They fly from random places in Mexico and land in buttfuck nowhere, USA, out in the desert. How do you crack down on that?

>>727174682
Lol we be fine without shitstain mexico.

>>727174672
Lowe's is too high class for mexicans. Get your hardware stores correct faggot

How do you build a wall over a river or a delta?

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LoL You fags can't come up with a good reason for a wall.

It's ok tho we wont pay for it , Waste of money to be honest.

>>727174648
>Shill
Here we go, he ran out of neurons again.

>>727174649
>everyone's logic is disproving the retardation

"logic"... lol

you can argue about the cost, but the fact is a physical wall would stop people from crossing the border. to deny that is to actually be retarded

i'll save you the typing for your next reply

>well there are tunnels too

yeah idiot, tunnels the drug cartels use to bring in drugs, that cost millions to make, and that they want low traffic around the entry/exit points - not 5000 gardeners rushing in and out of

you have to use your brain a bit, my friend

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>>727172767
It would destory south west ecosystems and economies to lasting detriment to everything causally interacting with thoses systems(everything).
It isn't going to do anything, most of the border that isn't already fenced stretches over the Sonoran and Mojave deserts which are pretty much wildlife preserves.
Border patrol agents literally collect ladders people leave behind climbing the fence. Lastly, it isn't a solution to any real problem.
It would permafuck the world for no immediate benifit. It's one of the most retarded ideas I've seen taken seriously. It's like a semi-illiterate breitbart veiwing senior citizen came up with it, that's how idiotic it is.

>>727174729
The valid points have been posted plenty already. The shills are the ones like you with no actual counter argument so you resort to calling others libtards, or shills.

Are you even trying? Jesus dude.

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>>727172767
not fixing the source of the problem
why board up the bathroom when you can just unclog the toilet

There is no reason to have such a lengthy immigration process. Why not just legalize applicants so you can tax and track them in case they're criminals.
It is so easy, it's like, it's like... You're just bullshitting around because you don't want them here at all.

>>727174805
you are paying for it though, one way or another

>>727174815
Again! No valid points!
Your gape looks nice from me bending you over and showing you the fifty states.

>>727173689
No it won't.

>>727173625
>tfw there is no upvote system so you can validate your comment with bots

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>>727174783
>Lowe's
>high class
fucking pleb LOL i bet you shop at wallmart

>>727173775
You idiots Ajay have a wall on your southern border.

>>727174823
Are you not reading or are you just in that much denial.
They majority already come in legally by plane. A wall won't stop that. Please start using what little brain power you have. It's not hard to see how retarded it is.

>>727173720
... yes?
Haven't you heard? Obamacare is socialism and that is why we are replacing it with Trumpcare

do try to keep up

(taxes is actually just government strongman robbery but we do not complain because they use our money to pay for their army and unless things are truly desperate in your life, you do not want to fight their army. It's working together with their intelligence agency that we are also paying for. I mean, you could try to go under the radar and try to mobilize a rebel force living off the land but that's a pretty desperate measure to avoid paying tax. The alternatives are of course to just worked within the framework. One recent new york roperty developer had great success when he lost several billions of dollars on a failed couple of casinos, thus making him eligeble to write off all federal income tax. Try doing the same or ask your nearest corporate lawyer which tax-evasion scheme is best for you. Putin choses Panama, but the Caymans are also very close)

>>727174839
because the unemployment is already above 20%, we dont need more retards who dont even speak english coming here to leech the system

the immigration process is also retarded.

>>727173311
>they actually believe this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4aGmBCZEyOM
Our President seems to change his mind a lot.

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>>727174767
>protectionist policies always succeed
We've known they don't work since at least 85.

>>727174889
um no do you not follow you're own politics

trumps literally asking the government to pay for it

>>727172944
Planes. Also work visas that expire. People can get in legally, but stay illegally.

>>727173789
Walls so work. Look at hungry, Macedonia and the rest. Those walls kept out the Muslim migrants.

>>727174929
not him, but you should get your hardware stores right since youre a mexican and all

mexicans stand outside home depot, or "homes depot" as they call it - maybe you've heard of it by that name

>>727174939
>American education

>>727174993
Forgot link
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1985-10-18/news/8503110366_1_new-zealand-american-industries-import

>>727173794
Under fences in border towns that take months.

>>727174830
BTFO

>>727174823
They can't deny the fact it will lower illegal entries. What was it before trump got in 500 a day? And now that number is cut in half just by how much they fear that man

>>727174962
>unemployme
US unemployment rate fell to 4.9 percent in October 2016 from 5 percent in the previous month and in line with market expectations. The number of unemployed

quit spouting bull shit faggot

>>727175027
Or U-Haul

>hungry

Ya that's what I expect from the average Trump supporters at this point. Just keep ignoring all the points made and spouting more nonsense... That will really work.

>>727174836
He did it again! The mad man did it again!

>>727174994
you dont know basic logic, i guess

if i take money out of your pocket and then hand the money to the cashier, who paid for the thing?

if the US pays for the wall but then gets the money from mexico via tariffs, who paid for it? do you know what a tariff is, juan?

>>727173989
That's where ice takes over.

>>727174022
No he hasn't. The plan is still remittance tax.

>>727174424
thank god Trump is increasing funding to the coast guard

oh, wait...

>>727172767
Because it's expensive as fuck to maintain, and American economy thrives on exploiting cheap illegal labor.

>>727173685
If you burgers got a good education, which Betsy DeVos is making sure doesn't happen, you'd know the Berlin Wall was built to keep people IN
>all the well educated running from east germany post ww2
>soviets build a wall to stop people escaping, no one wanted to go over to their side

What the fuck do they teach you guys in schools?

>>727173413
spending on helping others is a waste
spending on a wall that won't make a difference and will just be an eyesore is well spent

Wow I makes me sad you people have voting power

>>727174062
Schumer won't stop shit and we need hate and bigotry to end the left.

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>>727175027
you were saying?

The wall is purely psychological, intended to make US citizens feel there is something to be fearful of. If you want to cut down on illegal immigrants, start fining (and prosecuting) the people and companies that employ undocumented workers. Remove the incentive and you remove the problem.

>>727175154
If mexico raises prices vendors will look elsewhere. And said vendors might even get a tax cut from switching from a mexican vendor to a us vendor.
See how that works? Mexico cant just double prices and businesses in the US will just double theirs. Nope.

>>727175096
you think 95% of americans who want a job have one? do you not live in america? or just retarded?

if you care, which you dont, look who is included in the 'unemployment' numbers they use today... lmao

based on the way the govt used to calculate unemployment, before dropping people from the number if they couldnt find a job quick enough, the number is well over 20%

>>727174648
>>727174556

Ok, faggotos, here's a little fact for you.

This is a war you CANNOT win. Mexico has allies. Even if Trump goes bananas and decides to invade or declare war on Mexico, that's declaring war on ALL South/Latin America. Besides China will support us. So we won't "crumble" at your feet.

You cannot force Mexico to pay for the wall. You cannot bully us. You can call us beaners, you can call us wetbacks, we don't give a fuck. We survived worse shit than your orange monkey.

If you put taxes on the products and somehow manage to "make us pay" we will simply raise the prices for you. Or better yet, completely stop exporting our products to you. We will also soon implement Visa on you so you won't come in for free so you'll have to pay for that too. No more Cancún for you.

But ok, now on your side. If Trump continues promoting this racism (I'll grant that it's indirectly so spare me the "he's not racist" bit) your country WILL go to a civil war. Hell, it already is (Charlotte rings a bell?) and thousands more will die. Your country is divided thanks to Trump and there's nothing you can do to stop it. You can defend it all you want but that won't save your economy or your country.

>>727174135
The wall makes sense.

>>727175154
you know what trade contract agreements are? billy

>>727174161
False

>>727175272
So far Schumer and the democrats, including federal judges have been very effective at stopping all of his core legislation that he ran on.

The good guys are winning!

>>727174962
I think you will find that unemployment is at

140%!

I know this because Trump told me last night night

He has the hugest dick

>>727174202
Tens of thousands cross illegally every year from the southern border

>>727174659
And you're going to pay for it.

>>727175321
im getting my source from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment_in_the_United_States

and you ? just some random bullshit coming out of your mouth

>>727175308
If Mexico raises their prices us vendors will also raise their prices maybe slightly under. Either way they go up.

>>727175355
Lol china and russia would not support mexico ovet the US.
And then any war is over.
US military could destroy mexico, central america, and south america in less than a month.

>>727173245
>bean jumpers

I think you're forgetting about other races that also enter illegaly, especially the ching chongs and koreans who get a green card in less than 6 months.

>>727174305
Europe can sell produce at affordable prices as well without wetback farm labour.

>>727174309
40% of illegals come from across the southern border. Moron.

I cant believe people are blaming all their problems on immigration and building a wall. None of that is going to help us. The real problem are the corrupt politicans and wannabe politicians like Drump and his cabinet. Outsourcing our jobs to other countries for starters and so much more to list. A wall is not going to help our economy and unemployment.

>>727172840
Every decision this fucking administration is making is like if no one learned anything last century and have to learn by touching the stove all over again, because trump and his moron supporters are 8.

>>727175519
actually china just said they would trade with mexico so you're wrong

https://qz.com/855355/china-and-mexico-are-strengthening-commercial-and-diplomatic-ties-in-response-to-donald-trumps-protectionism/

>>727174315
No. That's not how it works.

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>>727175321
>used to calculate unemployment

>actually believing the right-wing propaganda that the way unemployment was calculated has changed.

When lefties get tricked back into thinking they don't want a wall lol.

>>727174330
40% of illegals cross the border from the south.

White people are so easy to scare

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>>727175589
and the 60% percent ? the higher of the two HAHAHAHAHA

>moron

>>727172767
We already have a wall and it doesn't do shit, bc most illegals just fly here and never go home.

Or did you miss the entire fucking debate the first twenty years we've been having it...

>>727174404
They wall war to keep people in. This wall is to keep savages out.

>>727175589
they fly over on planes with work visas then outstay them, tell donny to make his wall a few thousand feet taller

>>727174415
No it doesn't but that it would matter anyway.

>>727174424
They can be intercepted.

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Goddamn Trump supporters are dumb

good day laddys

>>727175519
>Real life is like a Michael Bay movie

>>727175519
Wrong.

But let me get this straight, you WANT World War 3?

>>727172767
for one, it's unconstitutional. the aclu, and the splc have both filed federal lawsuits against it for that very reason.

>>727175600
Shh shh, you're going to burst their delusional bubble.

>>727174491
They can be deported and they are illegals not, "undocumented"

>>727175638
Actually, it is.

>>727174962
If you're finding yourself in competition for job with illegals who don't know English then it sounds like you're a low skilled individual. Improve yourself if you want better job prospects.

>>727175684
Wait... woah.. are you telling me, illegals cross the border.. from the south?!?!

HOLY SHIT

>>727174539
We have the guns. Libs can't fight.

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>make a trump thread
>forget about it
>182 replies

kek

>>727175519
China is already trying to trade with mexico
so you're wrong

>US military could destroy mexico,
you couldnt destroy iraq/afgan/vietman imagine right next door with millions of terrorist

wrong again

oh yea also 52% didnt vote for trump so say hello to a civil war if you do start a war with Mexico
try again

>>727173936
>>727173794
>they will come up with a way to keep the soil from collapsing
>how?
>planes!
How did nobody else catch this bait

>>727174229
How about no? I want Mexican Coca Cola you dildo

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>>727173132
>>727173245
>>727173299
>>727173329
>>727173571
>>727173840
>>727173989
>>727174105

Jesus fucking christ.

Literally the only arguments these people make are
>But there are immigrants that come by plane!
Really? Give me the numbers comparing the amount of illegals coming in by plane compared to those crossing the border on foot
>There are illegal immigrants that aren't mexican, explain that, drumpters!
Really? Holy shit what a new revelation, again it's about the numbers. When they can't even buy the shit they need to cross the border safely do you think they will be buying plane tickets at record numbers? Even if they fly over congrats, a small handful of people got over. They spent money on our airliners only to get deported a month later. Good luck buying those plane tickets more than one with the pesos being a pinto bean farmer gets you.
>h-hahahahah ur stupid despite my not having an understanding of basic concepts
This is not an argument and you are projecting. Ideas and reality are not synonymous. Walls have worked all throughout human history, that hasn't changed today. You are in fact the morons
>B-BUT OPPRESSION LIKE BERLIN.
When we start shooting people on sight who were former legal residents incapable of seeing their families again trapped within our communist government who kidnaps and murders people in the dead of night let me know
>The wall will cost billions of dollars!
4 billion to be exact.
>Pic related
This is the 2015 expenditure of the United States and all of the areas we have placed money into. Do you want to know how much of a splash $4 billion makes into our overall economy? 0.105% of a SINGLE YEARS WORTH OF OUR EXPENDITURE.


MILLIONS of illegal immigrants are flooding southern borders in the united states saturating the economy with people willing to do low paying jobs for peanuts.
>y-your angry!
Damn right I am, you people are fucking retarded and are genuinely ruining the country. You ARE the problem.

>>727175467
Sounds good

>>727175975
Because Libs can't get guns too.

Idiot.

>>727175526
do you believe that european farms do not use cheap immigrant labour?

Aah, I suppose you have purchased the narrative that immigrants do nothing but rape poor little bonde girls at kindergarten

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36656969

Alright final question here.
Ignore cost, it wont even cost 5% of what obamacare will cost tax payers.

A wall will keep more people from entering the US illegally.

True or false.

No ifs or buts just true or false.

>>727175979

Please, don't try to use logic with Trump supporters. That will just confuse them.

Use simple words like "wrong" or "false".

>>727175847
>can be ≠ always will be

>>727175702
The wall would cut illegal immigration in half. The wetbacks are also the worst kind of illegals. They are the most crime ridden.

>>727176058
>he's literally shaking

tldr

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>>727174829
Shooting down non
-armed civilian crappie planes with expensive military equipment.

>>727176058
$1 billion for 62 miles? Yeah, that'll work. No wall faggot, now drop this childish idea.

>>727175865
No thats what we avoided with hillary and might fully avoid if the media can straighten out

>>727175764
And they will be taken care ok for as well.

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>>727176058

>>727176058
If you're worried about a non english speaking immigrant with low skills taking your job then you're obviously low skilled as well. Maybe improve yourself to have better job security but if you're going to rely on being a ditch digger your whole life then expect competition.

>>727175903
Fuck those niggers and FUCK YOU!

>>727176058
See
>>727174830
You massive dumbo

>>727176078
You're cowards and can't fight. By the time you realize you'll need them it will be too late.

>>727176058
I bet not one of them discredits one thing you said. Probably get some insults or calling you unhinged or who knows. They are either paid or trying to be funny trolling

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>>727176182
rofl are you this stupid?

whats stopping them from just taking the same route like the MAJORITY of illegal immigration??????????

lol a wall...have we not learned a thing from El Chapo?

>>727176101
They just legal labor

The wall won't be built. It is already running into land owner issues all across the southern border of Texas. It's not going to gain traction or popularity, and is way too expensive in reality. Sure, it was a nice talking point for the orange man, but reality just bitch-slapped the fuck out of him.

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ITT Thread Gringos dont know we also take boats and swim through rivers to get to usa

>>727176201
I bet you dont have to do it more than five times before it comes to almost a complete halt.

>>727172944
>the miracle of flight is science fiction

Dumb, useful idiot.

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>>727176058

>>727176284
>you're cowards

I'm not even from the US you little shit. That's the war you're going to suffer, no one else.

>>727176182
Watch Adam ruins the wall on jewtube. It wouldn't cut anything in half, it'd increase immigration

>>727176058
>science
>energy and environment
>education
+
=
5%
>anarchist sentiments reinforced

>>727176154
Legal precedent already says those legal challenges won't stand. The wall will be built and it's already being planned. You can't stop this

>>727176385
Geneva convention?

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>>727176058
cute rant anon, but you're forgetting the fact that a vast majority of illegal immigrants enter the country 100% legally and just overstay their visas.

the wall is a stupid idea, and spoiler alert: mexico won't be the one paying for it, you and I will

>>727176425
That why am I even talking to you?

I wonder how long it will take America to regain their international dignity after Trump spends 4 possibly 8 years making a fool of himself and America.

>>727176538
Americans don't care what lib cucks around the world think.

>>727176504
I recall hearing similar things about the travel bans.

>>727176538
Usa is a joke to other nations already. Obama did that. Over here in europe people think trump cant do any worse and your media is embarassing the shit out of themselves with that fake russia conspiracy.

>>727176058

> Veterans' benefits make up 4% of your budget

I mean, I think it's a good cause and all, but holy fuck. Says something about the history of this country. I wonder how great America would've been if we didn't try to be cute like the Brits and Frenchies and just never entered the Middle Eas

>>727176538
We likely never will. Trump will turn america into a third world country.

>>727176504
It is already being held up in federal court, and no construction can start until it is resolved.

protip: it could take years.

>>727173854
El chapo maked a tunnel under a fucking Maximum security prison, your wall in not even a challenge to our average cartel, they have the money to make the tunnel and pay the guards (if not blackmail them) to look away

>>727176538
>America
>ever having dignity after WW1
>being respected internationally after the 70's
LMAO NO.
America will never be dignified again and it was never good to begin with

>>727176185
>Too stupid to read
Honestly I feel sorry for people like you more than anything. No principles, no actual arguments or critical thinking skills. Can't even be bothered to read a few sentences but yet will hold an opinion.
>>727176207
[Citation needed]
Out of curiosity I just calculated the raw numbers.
If we were to spend $4 billion to create a wall spanning the entire southern border each mile of the wall will cost $2,047,082. That sounds more than reasonable to me.
>>727176243
>>727176410
>>727176231
epic meme pictures my dudes, you convinced me
>>727176264
What am I reading? All I see is yet another "THE WALL WILL NEVER WORK REEEE" post except a bit more pretentious. You're going to have to prove it somehow other than
>b-but they will use ladders!

>>727176696
In mexico.
Lol.

>>727175739
and people loved them for it!

the same way the world will love america for their glorious huge wall!

And unlike the fucking americans with their planes, the mexicans will not be able to fly over this time because mexicnas are just cockroaches haha!

It will be so beautiful! Trump is strong and mericful leader who looks at great feat of soviet engineering in berlin and think "haha, we can do that"

I am very happy for america

>>727176504
Who gives a shit if it's built or not. That won't affect Mexico whatsoever.

You on the other hand, will piss off a lot of US farmers fucking up their lands, and a lot of taxpayers with the increment of the prices of imported products.

So again, go ahead and fuck up your country more than it already is.

>>727176531
You decided to make an argument that didn't work. The point was that there will be a civil war in your country. And you cal me a "Lib" which is what you idiots do when someone doesn't blindly support Drumpf.

>>727176528
>vast majority of illegal immigrants enter the country 100% legally and just overstay their visas.
[Citation needed]
>you and I will pay for the wall.
Yes, only morons thought Mexico would be paying for it. Maybe they might through tariffs and added taxes but that isn't the point right now. You clearly didn't understand the overall economic implications. If you think 4 billion is a lot you should consider educating yourself, shitlord.

>>727176696
Dude, if you're going to make a point defending our country, please do not use those cockroaches as example. Fuck the cartels.

Also learn to write.

>>727176587

see the last sentence of this >>727176826

>>727176909
4 billion is a lot if you're pissing it away on something that won't have the intended effect.

>>727172767
It won't actually accomplish anything, and it will cost a ton of money.

Rural people shouldn't vote and Trump proves why.

>>727176786
haha!

>>727176938
Dude that is mexico. I ask a white male couldn't even walk through many of your major cities and make it out alive.
Thats why we dont want you shit stains up here

>>727174710
You can't be this stupid

>>727176909
>Only morons thought Mexico would be paying for it.
>Trump thought Mexico would be paying for it.

>>727174710
You just went full retard dude

>>727172840
Yucca mountain is a good idea.

>>727176741
>you are going to have to prove it
How much do you know about landscape ecology and systems dynamics in general? I could prove it but if you are ignorant there are giant rhetorical hurdles in doing so.
Do I really need to explain to you how building a giant wall (that would washout with bi-annual flash floods and would require constant upkeep) and all the infrastructure required to build it on vaste swaths of untouched land, would destory desert ecological communities and hydrological flows, and by proxy harm everything that is connected to them, (everything) and how no trade between the border will absolutely wreck border towns that depend on them. It would also cause massive civil unrest.
I could prove it to you, but you wouldn't understand. If you could I wouldn't have typed this for you. How is that for pretentious?

>>727175603
Do you not understand what yucca mountain is why it's a good idea? Of course not you're an idiot emotional liberal.

>>727176306
Honestly I don't even know why they try. Some of them are trolls, sure. But really my post is directed at people who genuinely believe that a wall wouldn't work. None of them will ever discredit the post because their arguments are the same 95% of the time. The only reason I bother is because there are gullible people out there that will take what they say at face value without questioning it.

We don't know if a wall will work and even at that $4 billion isn't really a whole hell of a lot to spend, it's cheap enough to actually try it without any real consequences other than people bitching about it.

Wherever there is somebody making a stupid argument to convince idiots I will be there pointing out the inconsistencies. Eventually somebody will question their own opinions, and if that happens this 10 mins of typing will be worth it.

>>727176938
They are scum I know, but that doesn't make my point less valid...
I'm still learning to write in English, please tell me what did I write wrong

>>727176335
legal and cheap

why don't the us try that strategy? Let the immigrants become a aprt of the nation, rather than just scapegoats for your government's rampant corruption?

>>727177368
>without any real consequences
Confirmed for full retard.

>>727176451
Oh please, the dhs has already said it would effective. I trust the experts over some left wing YouTube Cuck.

>>727176604
And it will be found legal once it gets to the supreme Court. Liberals can't go judge shopping

>>727176691
Wrong it's not

>>727176648
I think you will find that europe has been laighing at the us leadership since Bush Jr but nice try Svenny Europeanoivic

>>727177181
Honestly I think Trump is just on the spectrum, you can't be a complete moron and still make billions of dollars, and play the US media like a fiddle.
>>727177001
No, it isn't. I just explained to you that $4 billion is comparatively cheap, precisely 0.105% of our budget. You are either lieing or have been lied to by others, the facts are right here and I have provided them to you.

Want to know where we ARE pissing money away? Welfare and social programs for leeches and parasites not unlike the Illegal immigrants

>>727177147

That is not Mexico. That is what Trump is selling Mexico to be, and y'all ignorant uncultured retards believe it.

Truth is, the insecurity has fallen since 2012. The Zetas are gone. There is peace now.

We don't want you rednecks here either. Yet you come every single fucking spring break to our beaches.

But that soon will change. There will be Visas implemented for US citizens and you will have to pay yet again.

>>727176909
citation
>http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states#Temporary


>shitlord
holy shit I'm actually speaking to a tumblr snowflake lol

>4 billion aint shit
youre right, fuck it! lets just dump $4B into anything that sounds like it might work without further understanding! lets just waste billions of dollars cuz our overall discretionary spending is in the trillions! WOOOOOOOOO

I don't ever want to hear about dems wasting money being a problem ever again then, you absolute fuckstick. If you're seriously trying to convince me that a bogus wall is worth dumping $4B of our taxes into, you have lost your room to condemn anyone else for wasteful spending and you need a shotgun lobotomy immediately

>>727176779
Exactly, our prisons are prisons, not full paided vacation sites like yours, people break out of your prisons in laundry cars for fucks sake

>>727177585
The supreme court is not going to uphold an executive order that violates the due process amendments of the Constitution.

>>727173720
Thanks for admitting it's communism. Next..

>>727173245
America was never a white country there was always natives, blacks, Jews, and so on.

>>727177517
No, they are criminals and you just enable them.

>>727176058
Just educate yourself faggot, THE WALL WONT WORK

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>>727172767
The wall will work, we only built a shitty fence and it' works

>>727172944
70% of illegals come here legally but just over stay their visas... wall won't work

>>727177047
100% truth right here.

>>727177076
Haha haha!

Laughter is best medicine for broken world and broken mind, is it not my friend?

>>727177895
Because your working so hard anon?

>>727177486
He's being a cocksuck. Don't worry about cocksucks.

>>727172767
Simply the cost, it is astronomical.

>>727177735
Restricting immigration doesn't violate due process. Plus foreigners in foreign countries aren't covered by the Constitution. a judge in va has already ruled in favor of the ban.

The Scotus will rule in favor of it as well you can bet on it.

>>727177835
Ignorant idiot, rual people.

>>727178006
20 billion is nothing.

>>727174305
how are the illegals to blame?

>>727177047
Niggers and woman shouldn't vote, democrats prove why.

It's stupid, trump and all his supporters should just jump of cliff with there Russian fuck buddies.

>>727177895
the migrant workers are criminals so let's make them illegals instead because then rather than coming her to work they will come here to..?

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Haha the whole world is going to hell and people still arguing about this shit. Let everything burn. Fuck it all!

>>727178127
Trump is running the nation to the ground and the only thing you can stand behind is racism, ignorance, and hatred for science.

>>727178015
>ban establishes a religious test
>Constitution prohibits religious tests
I understand that you're a high school dropout with no u derstanding of the Constitution so you should leave discussions like these to your intellectual superiors. I'm sure you're needed at your blue collar labor job.

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>>727178035
>tfw you find out the majority of America voted for Trump and that includes a much bigger populace than rural people and this new "rural" meme just makes you look stupid like every other butthurt lib SJW cuck.

>>727176826
Your argument was about a civil war in the us and I told you the left would be devastated by it. You show youre not an American because you would know then why the left would lose.

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TrumpTards

BTFO

come back when the rest of the world sleeps thx

>>727172767
Have you ever actually read any of the history behind the Great Wall of China? It is considered one of the biggest wastes of money in history. It nearly bankrupted the Ming Dynasty, cost hundreds of thousands of workers lives to construct, and it didn't do shit to keep the Mongols out as it was intended to do. That's a good reason to think that the idea may be retarded.

>>727178282
Shut up you white nigger kys

>>727178259
There is no mention of Islam in the ban.

>>727178202
Stupid people are historically suspicious of science and education in general. It's what sets them apart as stupid instead of just ignorant.

>>727178006
Considering the amount spent on fighting wars that are no concern of the US, it's pennies.

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>[Citation needed]
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-mexico-border-wall-funding-1-billion-2017-3

>>727178282
Actually Majority didn't. And of those who did, now regret it. so yeah.

>>727178202
Trump is doing very well, I'm happy about the racism. If you're not racist you're not paying attention.

>>727178202
Making war is driving the nation to ground.

We all seen how heightening security in machete ended

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chicano here

pretty funny seeing illegals get taken in bagotas

makes me feel superior nah means

>>727178450
Your and idiot that lives in fear, I've talk to people from different backgrounds all the time, people are people.

>>727178357
> 17 trillion in debt
> it's pennies
> it's pennies
> it's pennies

Everything is pennies. Where do you draw the line?

>>727177687
>holy shit I'm actually speaking to a tumblr snowflake lol
that was actually the joke but it's fine, it can fly over your head like the point of the post seemingly has. Your citation is good but it doesn't actually give any numbers of those who have stayed in the united states that have flown here using non-immigrant temporary admission.

Do you think that most of those people are mexicans who can't hold a steady job in their own country, or asian tourists here to see Yellowstone? I provided a chart that explains we are dumping over $1 trillion into welfare and social programs but you are still concerned about a wall?

>>727177522
Economic consequences, this should be obvious

>>727177334
Sure, there is probably ecological implications and it's a good point I didn't consider before so I'm glad you brought it up, but as for the economic implications it would only be better. Your general argument is that building a wall would pose problems for the environment and also that it might pose flooding in certain regions to which I would say it's simply a matter of how the engineers design and plan the wall. I would imagine this is a job for the engineer placing some form of irrigation network. Do you think they are just going to slap a giant chunk of stone down in the middle of the desert?

>no trade between the border will absolutely wreck border towns that depend on them.
I didn't realize that the wall wouldn't have any access points. It's almost like you think that drug smuggling is a legitimate trade in small mexican border towns. but I'm not going to imply that as much as I want to.

>I could prove it
Then prove it, I am a studying geologist and actually want to know these things. I would like to go into private sector business to business sales some day for rock and mineral production, or be a consultant for projects like these so this is something that genuinely interests me. But I know you LIKELY won't give any specifics

>>727178426
The majority that matter did. And nobody regrets it.

>>727178326
It's paid off, everybody's going to china to see that beautiful wall

>>727178345
There's no point in arguing with him. He's far too intellectually superior man. He's 7 years deep in a liberal arts degree.

FSB isn't even trying anymore.

>>727178560
Learn to spell nigger. All the problems in the us are caused by colored people.

>>727178345
The first ban set up preferred treatmwnt for Christians, that's a religious test. The second ban was designed to have the same effect of the first without specifically mentioning religion. It was struck down because of comments by Trump and his staff about wanting to institute a muslim ban. In law, intent matters as much as specific wording and the fact is that both bans were put in place to specifically discriminate against Muslims.

>>727178583
Is the cost of the wall 17 trillion?
>reading comprehension 101.

>>727178348
Let states decide education without a court m corrupt teachers union.

>>727178583
The safety of people is not about the money. Come on burgers, you are the richest county and can't build a border wall, wtf?

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>>727178664
Its a degree

>>727178686
No there caused by rich people in power duping you into hating your fellow countryman, because he's slightly different than you, while they laugh and get away from paying taxes.

>>727178673
They don't have to they got all the rural filth doing the work for them.

>>727178298
. Pol is 4chan.
You leftards have hide on b because you get btfo in any debate

>>727178811
and a worthless one at that.

>>727178702
Congrats for admitting you're the problem. That's the first step. Next realize that expenses add up.

>>727178583
Trump lowered the debt by 100 billion already

>>727178779
Letting states set their own education standards ends up with millions of children in the insignificant, backwater, podunk, ass end of nowhere rural flyover states getting a shit education.

>>727177368
Holy fucking shit. You're so full of yourself you know?

Ok, never mind that you're strategically picking posts to convince yourself that you're right. You're only responding to the obvious trolls and insults without even putting attention to the actual acts and points given in this thread.

>Really? Give me the numbers comparing the amount of illegals coming in by plane compared to those crossing the border on foot
What is this? Like, are you seriously asking for a comparison that you know is impossible? Never you mind if there is an actual consensus or study that compares both of them. That information is not something you can find online that is not classified anyway. But let me put it this way: There are way more people crossing the border illegally by car, through the gate, that any other way. You say by foot, but you clearly do not know what you're talking about. As if there are more people literally walking or swimming across the border. >>727176058
>Even if they fly over congrats, a small handful of people got over. They spent money on our airliners only to get deported a month later.
The people who cross by plane, have passports and visas, and literally 0% (that is, absolutely none) of them stay illegally. That's what you don't understand. Once you cross the border by plane, when you have a Visa, you have a passport, they take a photo of you in customs. Do you really think they will sacrifice EVERYTHING when they know they have their profile in the system? Get it through your thick head.

>>727178884
/pol/ is a safe space sorry, sorry we'd only agree with those Russian shills over there.

>>727176058
>When we start shooting people on sight who were former legal residents incapable of seeing their families again trapped within our communist government who kidnaps and murders people in the dead of night let me know
Assuming this won't happen soon. >>727176058
>MILLIONS of illegal immigrants are flooding southern borders in the united states saturating the economy with people willing to do low paying jobs for peanuts.
This is wrong. You're talking out of your ass now. Illegal immigration gas dropped steadily since 2004 and it has reached it's all-time low. But keep talking out of your ass.

And you know what is funny? You say that we're trolls, you say that we're getting paid, when in reality you're the same fucking fag replying to yourself because no one else did. And you know why I know this? Your posting style.

>$4 billion isn't really a whole hell of a lot to spend,

The fact that you actually think this, makes me grasp a faint idea of what your mind is thinking. The fact that you do not fathom the amount of money and consequences makes me think that your brain does not function properly and you most certainly have Asperger or autism.

>>727178936
Hahahah trumptards

>>727178936
Odd how that's Trumps doing since his budget year hasn't started yet and we're still under Obamas last budget year.

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>>727178884
/pol/ is shill city and "BTFO" to them equals "I called him a cuck"/"snowflake"/talked about "liberal tears"/cited some pseudoscience bullshit

You need to go back.

>>727178977
We don't *

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>>727178686
The color white?

>>727178688
The Christian nabbed in the ban are persecuted in their mission countries. That is legal since they are a marginalized group.

Trump's comments should have no legal bearing on the legality of the order. This is why there was so much dissent amongsrmt the ranks of the 9th. But like I said the Scotus will rule in Trump's favor.

>>727179115
The shit skin color.

>>727178942
But that's what the right depends upon. That's why they call anything that teaches critical thinking "a liberal conspiracy", and spoonfeed their bullshit to their base so they can feel like they're "woke"

Smart people are a threat.

>>727178285
No, you pathetic and autistic faggot who can't even comprehend a simple statement.

You told me that the left would lose because they can't fight. I told you that they can also get guns you fucktard. You imply that they can't use guns. In war, people will do anything to survive. Yeah, they will probably lose, but there still would be massacre and USA blood spilled, and that will make me laugh.

>>727179061
You lefties are getting bfto here by a few people who look at tranny porn.

>>727178612
Oh I can't find most of the literature I abstracted that from
This was one, and it looks like I will won't have time. It's pretty easily accessible with basic research. The way the desert floods and the watershed are key to its function and alteration has huge consequences
www.azwater.gov/azdwr/surfacewater/adjudications/documents/SRP12780-SRP12788.pdf

>>727179061
/Pol/ is 4chan, "snowflake".

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>>727178936
Absolute bullshit. Anyway, wake me up when he's gotten us out of debt like this guy did.

>>727179264
They forget that the left has technology and science on their side. They don't believe in either.

>>727179264
They can't fight, they have no guns or military veterans. Everyone who uses guns is a conservstive.

>>727179225
>nigger, shitskin

you're going to be one of the firsts ones to go when the war starts, black master race will fuck yo white's ass and ur women also lol

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>>727179336
/pol/smokers are faggots

>>727179286
>>727179336
I don't see anyone getting BTFO here. I see the same /handful of pol/ parrots spewing the same thing over and over again and getting buttfrustrated that no one wants to take their red pill suppository

>>727179440
Why can't you get it through your retarded and autistic head.

Anybody can walk to Walmart and get a fucking gun.

Besides, this guy has also a really valid point. >>727179398

>>727178980
>>727178959

>Millions of illegals aren't flooding our borders.
Literally 5 seconds on google discredits your entire argument.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/08/31/u-s-immigrant-deportations-declined-in-2014-but-remain-near-record-high/
That is just the number of people who have been ACTUALLY CAUGHT and sent back, not barring those who are still here.

Those numbers are in the thousands by the way. As in 414,000 total illegal immigrants were deported.

[The Obama administration deported 414,481 unauthorized immigrants in fiscal year 2014, a drop of about 20,000 (or 5%) from the prior year, newly released Department of Homeland Security data show. A total 2.4 million were deported under the administration from fiscal 2009 to 2014, including a record 435,000 in 2013, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of the data.]

>Like, are you seriously asking for a comparison that you know is impossible? Never you mind if there is an actual consensus or study that compares both of them.
It is only impossible because you're incapable of thinking outside of the box, I just proved to you the specific amount of deportations, now all you need to do is imagine or guess what percentage of illegal immigrants actually get caught and deported.

But I digress, I'll leave that up to individual interpretation.

I fucked up and read parts from both your posts and am too lazy to fix it, the argument still stands though.

Also
>assuming we won't start shooting people soon
literally hitler guise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The moment it happens you will have a point, until then piss off

>>727179440
False generalization. Plenty of veterans value liberty and their country over big business shills.

>>727179133
>That is legal since they are a marginalized group.
No it isn't. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
Giving preference to one religious group over another violates the very first amendment of the Constitution.
>Trump's comments should have no legal bearing on the legality of the order.
Are you illiterate? INTENT. MATTERS. The intent of the travel ban was to enact a muslim ban and thats unconstitutional.
The supreme court will NEVER rule in favor of a law that sets a precedent for religious descrimination.

>>727179604
Shit, 414,000 illegals IN JUST ONE YEAR*

I know some dumbshit will look at that and say
>Ahah, i told u it wasn't millions!!!!