Do you believe in God?

No.

Yes.

>>727073260
I have zero definitive proof that he exists or doesn't. Anything is possible, right? What I don't believe in is free-will or objective morals and therefore punishment for actions. Would I sign my soul away to the devil for worldly riches and all that stuff? Fuck yeah. Without blinking an eye. It's someone's will that I do but not mine.

>>727073260
Not really anymore but as long as there's hope in my life the beliefs could come back

C'mon guys, explain!

>>727073801
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>>727073963
No

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>>727074057
Yes.

>>727073963
>I have zero definitive proof that he exists or doesn't. Anything is possible, right?
Right, right.
>What I don't believe in is free-will or objective morals and therefore punishment for actions.
Umm... what?
>Would I sign my soul away to the devil for worldly riches and all that stuff? Fuck yeah. Without blinking an eye.
Ok, understanding you again.
>It's someone's will that I do but not mine.
Wait, what? Then if you don't believe in God's will and you don't believe in free will but you believe it's someone's will, what the fuck are you talking about, my dude?

It's like you're blinking in and out of lucidity.

Since we exist humans have believed in a bigger higher creature that control forces we cant explain. Nowadays we have explain a big part of our daily life and we dont need such a thing as god. Still there are people who feel better by believing in god

I think there could be more than one God. Maybe the Devil is just as much God as God is?

>>727073260
Yes, i find many things unexplainable and the actual new testament morals tremendously correct

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>>727074197
>free-will
It doesn't exist. Our world is governed by the cause and effect. It's impossible for you or me to make even minute descions that weren't caused by something else.

>Ok, understanding you again
That part wasn't meant for you

>you're blinking in and out of lucidity
C'mon, anon, you're just saying that because I posted that stupid frog. I meant to post something like this.

if god is fake how did jesus walk on water?? use your brains

>>727075417
Extreme and sohrav are you know I didn't do shit for this unit has a fucking school in front of the house of representatives in Congress to get pulled over for

>>727073963
>Anything is possible, right?
Is it? Is it possible for A to be not A?
>>727075417
Jesus was a ninja, obviously.

As for OP, no, because I have no reason to believe that a god exists.

Obviously yes. Think about it like this, if God wasn't real you wouldn't have an opinion about God.

>>727076032
>if Harry Potter wasn't real you wouldn't have an opinion about Harry Potter

No.
There's just too much bad in the world for there to be an all knowing all powerful all loving God
If he's supremely powerful and loves us infinitely, why is there so much suffering?

I am completely indifferent to the idea of god existing and I have no idea why people chose to spend so much time in their limited life spans to the idea that a creator does or does exist. The fact that in the current year a persons religious beliefs or lack of, matter so much is completely fucking retarded.

I think there is a purely intellectual God (Lucifer/Satan) who strives to unmake everything the Most High has created. We take our consciousness for granted. Christ died for us and most of us still act like human animals. Most of us support Evil through our thoughts, feelings, wishes, desires, behavior, actions etc. I believe the Devil will incarnate as as human being within the next few hundred years. It would be interesting to witness the coming of the Prince of Darkness. Hopefully I will get reincarnated in a human form in time for his arrival. I believe I've prepared myself sufficiently for the coming of the Anti Christ. I've already thrown my spiritual aspirations in the garbage, and the world is too full of light for me to be happy. I would prefer if everything was dark and gloomy, an electromagnetic spiritual state cast upon the world, no more hope, no more light, pure blackness, the spirit of Christ having fled the planet. I have prepared myself for such an event and I am confident I will be absorbed into Heaven just before the world goes silent. Have fun on your dead planet retards, I'll be in Heaven enjoying all sorts of heavenly delights. I'll be fucking beautiful spirit chicks, eating delicious food and listening to a choir of angels play a hymn to the Lost World.

>>727076032
Your logic is bad and you should feel bad

>>727076395
Gluttony, lust and pride are a few of your god's 7 deadly sins

>>727076380
Beliefs inform actions. Actions matter, therefore beliefs matter.

>>727073963
you don't believe in karma?

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>>727075750
>Jesus was a ninja, obviously.
This

>>727076466
Sin should be embraced on an intellectual level, have you made friends with your demons?

>>727076605
Not him, but I don't. We observe that people who do bad things often live well and people who do good things often live poorly. The only way to settle this with karma is to believe in some sort of next life (whether it be an afterlife or reincarnation), for which there is insufficient evidence.

Atheism is like a religion. you don't have any concrete evidence that god does not exist and yet you claim there is no god. athesits base their beliefs on faith, just like any other forms of religion, except it does not teach morals, or anything that may be beneficial.

being an Atheist does not make you more clever. in fact, you are a pretty sad person.

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I don't believe in God, but I'm not an Atheist.

One thing I'm sure of is that if God actually exists, he's nothing like the Christian God/Yavweh/Allah (it's the same god) that is described in the Bible, the Quran or the Torah.

>>727076890
Atheists are probably the most clever people on the planet. Too bad they are faggots as well.

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>>727076890
>mfw I'm an atheist
>mfw I don't claim there is no god
Not believing in gods doesn't mean you believe there are no gods.
>>727076936
>I don't believe in God, but I'm not an Atheist
Then you believe in some other god.

>>727076936
agnostic, aka the only sensible people on earth because they admit they do not know.

>>727077092
What, he could be Agnostic, dafuq you on about

>>727077092
no, its called being agnostic. Quit being dumb.

Get back to work Dan.

Why do Atheists hate God so much? I really don't understand...

>>727077213
>>727077223
Agnosticism is about knowledge. Atheism is about belief. Knowledge and belief are not equivalent. You can be an agnostic atheist.

>>727077118
this. anyone that believes or claims to know definitively the existence of god is arrogant and naïve.

>>727077310
Atheists don't hate God any more than you might hate King Joffrey.

>>727077326
that's not true. Agnosticism is a classified belief system that openly accepts that they just don't know one way or the other. How is atheism not based on knowledge? That's kind of their whole schtick, no?

Christians tried to tell me Harry Potter and Pokemon were evil when I was a kid in the 90s. Thought everything they told me was full of shit after that. A fictional character in a book is real world evil, but an invisible man who advocates murder and rape loves everyone equally and doesn't want you to jerk off.

>>727077388
Hitler dubz, but I do hate joffrey, poor comparison. He's a faggot

>>727077310
i am an atheist....maybe I can even be called a nihilist.
i don't care about god. but please don't waste my and your lifetime by trying to convert me

>>727077092
No, I just don't give a shit.

If God exists, cool I guess. But if doesn't exists, it wont change a thing about my life, so I don't care.

>>727077118
>>727077213
>>727077223
I guess I could consider myself an Agnostic, but it's more about not giving a fuck that knowing that I can't kow.

>>727077492
>Agnosticism is a classified belief system that openly accepts that they just don't KNOW one way or the other.
A person is an agnostic if and only if they do not know whether or not gods exist.
>How is atheism not based on knowledge?
A person is an atheist if and only if they do not believe that gods exist.
>That's kind of their whole schtick, no?
No.

>>727077595
k

>>727077663
>No, I just don't give a shit.
Then you are an atheist. You don't have to use the label, but that is what you would be to most who self-identify as atheists.

This all sounds very interesting. How do I actually join the religion of Atheism tho?

>>727073260
If dubs, god is real.

>>727077910
I guess we have our answer.

>>727077798
You have to sell your soul to satan
And burn in hell forever

>>727077778
no, that's nihilism, not atheism. The two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, but in this context not interchangeable.

>>727077990 I'd like to join your cult, but what if I already sold my soul to my brother for a pack of pokemon cards?

>>727077990
I just started a thread asking how to sell my soul for earthly gain, any ideas? Will post results.

>>727078048
If you don't believe in any gods, you are an atheist. I specifically asked if he believes in any gods, and he said no, therefore he is an atheist. Whether or not he is a nihilist is irrelevant.

>>727078109
Then you done goof m8
Ur brother will decide your fate after death

>>727078191
no, he said he doesn't care. That crosses into philosophy more than metaphysical belief. You're not wrong, just didn't give the whole answer.

>>727078191
>>727077778
An atheist is convinced that God does it exist, I say that I don't know and I don't care.

Plus your reasoning is bullshit "if you don't believe in a god you're an Atheist". So what about religions without gods ? Are they Atheists ?

no, but i did see angels when i crashed my car. i saw a bunch of angels they were hot blonde girls around me. i was knocked out when i hit the tree.

>>727078129
Did you tried using goat blood?

Satan isn't real. I'd be in hell and my son would be alive. Fuck god.

>>727078394
you're an existential nihilist. Good on you.

>>727078504
no just my own. I have access to goats though.

>>727073915
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>>727076936
Fucking idiots

>>727078348
The conversation went:
>I don't believe in God, but I'm not an Atheist.
>Then you believe in some other god.
>No, I just don't give a shit.
It's perfectly possible to be an atheist and not give a shit. I'm not even sure what we are arguing about.

>>727078394
Would you prefer the term non-theist or non-believer? The term atheist has become contentious and associated with obnoxious, know-it-all fedora tippers. I don't blame you for being unwilling to identify as an atheist.

>>727078394
>An atheist is convinced that God does it exist
False. I am an atheist and I am not convinced that gods do not exist.
>So what about religions without gods ? Are they Atheists ?
Yes. There are atheistic religions just as there are theistic religions.

>>727078683
yes, nihilism and atheism aren't mutually exclusive, and I think we're arguing over the blurry line that separates philosophy and religion. I can't be sure though.

Atheist = not a theist

i.e., someone who does not believe in a god

>>727078768
then you're not atheist. The word literally means disbelief in a god.
Closer to agnostic or secular nihilist

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>>727073260
it's a big pain in the ass trying to understand how the universe was created. it takes too much time of your life and , at one point , it makes you think life has no meaning. believing in god makes things easier. helps you some times. imo ppl should spend more time enjoying life than arguing about the existence of a god.

>>727079015
Disbelief (n) inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real; lack of faith in something.

Not believing something is not equivalent to believing the opposite. Again, agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive.

i've once heard a good saying that is scientifically provable and pretty true - life can only be created by life - just like any types of energy - can't be created , can't be destroyed , just transformed. makes you think imo

>>727079200
you don't think you fall closer to secular nihilism than atheism? Personally I look for anything I can to avoid calling myself atheist, lest I be lumped in with the Cheeto fingered fedora fags. But to each his own I suppose.

>>727079342
I think you're referring to the law of matter, that it can't be destroyed or created only altered. Never heard the life part.

>>727079342
>makes you think
Then you realize that "life can only be created by life" is not scientifically provable and that the laws of nature as we experience them break down as you approach the origin of the universe.

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i should

>>727078517
Doesn't look that good, but I guess it sums up my way of thinking pretty well.

>>727078756
I guess those terms would be better, though it's not really what I meant

>>727078768
Atheism is the lack of belief in the existence of dieties, so if you don't believe that dieties don't exists, you're not an Atheist.

I never thought of religions without gods as atheistic religions, it's quite interesting.

>>727079570
Dawkins is a nihilist also, you're in good company.

>>727079383
Secular nihilism and atheism also aren't mutually exclusive. I am a secularist and I am a nihilist (in the sense that I don't think things like the meaning of life are objective) and I am an atheist (I don't believe in gods).

I don't really care so i live my life without thinking about it

>>727079514
at this evolution point , it's pretty much true. we haven't discovered any ways to generate life yet , have we?

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Its simple guys, consciousness is god
God is energy.
Energy never dies.

live die repeat.

Next respawn i want a space ship.
/thread

>>727079497
yes , sir. i can't remember where i have heard the life thingy , i've just remembered it because it sounds pretty logic.

>>727079570
>Atheism is the lack of belief in the existence of dieties
Correct. Yay.
> if you don't believe that dieties don't exists, you're not an Atheist.
Incorrect. Boo. You can not believe that deities exist and not believe that deities don't exist at the same time.
>I never thought of religions without gods as atheistic religions, it's quite interesting.
Sure, there are plenty of them. UFO religions for instance.

>>727079768
fair enough.

>>727079834
>we haven't discovered any ways to generate life yet , have we?
No, but we also haven't discovered some prior life from which life on earth originated. The correct stance in such a case is to say "I don't know."

>>727073260
yeah, but I don't worship him, he's a fag

>>727080286
hah , i can only agree with you on this one . it just makes my life easier not askin myself so many questions. may we live long enough to find out the truth

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I don't know...

Its like asking: do you believe in magic

>>727081216

The atheist position is not a claim of knowledge. It is the lack of belief in a god. We do not have knowledge of any gods therefore we do not have a reason to believe one exists. People shit their pants when someone says I don't know and take it as a sign of weakness in the position, however it is much more weak for a position to assert knowledge on a subject without anything to support it.

>>727073260
Which of the 100s of gods are you talking about?

There are no real Atheists, just believers pretending to not believe because they are like rebelious children.

>>727082640
Is that you Sye?

>>727082640
There are no real believers in god. They all just play along because they are scared, confused, and can't figure things out for themselves.

No because anime exists

>>727081532
no it's not, there is plenty of evidence of magic,and none for God.

How can Atheists claim to be smart when they believe in evolution, which is easily debunked with logic. example: if we evolved from fish, why do we breathe air?

>>727079932
HOLY Shit the count has a MONOCLE, Checkmate Theists.

>>727081532

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyicTMMkxP8

>>727083553
there are fish that breath air...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphibious_fish

>>727083553
or the other evolutionist theory(THEORY NOT FACT) that we evolved from monkeys. Why are there still monkeys then???

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>>727083553
The same reason why we have wildcats and domesticated house cats. The same reason why there is bitter bananas in the wild, yet we selected the sweetest ones to further reproduce.

That's how humans, just yet another aspect of nature have a hand in evolution.

Evolution that spans across entire species just takes more time, tens of thousands to millions of years. Obviously values that your brainwashed hive mind can't comprehend.

>>727084330
If God made Adam from dirt, why is there still dirt?

>>727084411
>taking the obvious b8

>>727084428
Wait a second... I need to rethink my life.

>>727084567
I agree its b8, however plenty of ppl think this way. I personally went to highschool and middle school where they taught that evolution was a hoax.

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Atheists lack the ability to understand morality, thats why Atheism is responsible for the worst genocides in history.

God or no god, you can't deny such beliefs are dangerous and should have no place in our society.

>>727073260
If god is real why hasnt she all the way yet?

>>727085364
Hitler was Christian you fucking idiot

>>727085364
Some of the worst acts against humanity were committed by a few atheists. But those acts were not commited in the name of atheism because atheism has no ideology. They were done in the name of Stalinism and Maoism and such. However there are plenty of terrible acts done in the name of religious ideologies.

>>727085364
>tfw the Holocaust was motivated by racism and Christianity and carried out mostly by Christians, yet people keep blaming it on atheism
feels bad man

Secular humanism is a vastly superior system of morality than what you find in the Abrahamic religions if your goal is human flourishing.

>>727073260
Sure do, the odds of the crap that happens to me can only be explain by God, I have been in the following cities during "happenings"
Dallas cop shooting
Lafayette movie theater shooting
Chattanooga shooting and bus crash
Baton Rouge cop shooting
Roanoke morning TV show shooting
Also I hit pick 4 lotto 3 days in a row just to get busted for weed on the 4th day.
Weed charge got dropped because the weed went missing on the way to the lab (they smoked it)

I'm cool with God, I just wanna be left alone

>>727085364
>what is the dark ages
>what is the Holocaust
>what is modern terrorism

>>727085547
He came from a Jewish family

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>>727085364

>mfw hitler was a christian
>mfw catholic priests funded hitler
>mfw

>>727084411
I love how this post is so conveniently ignored

>>727084411

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Nah

>Do I believe in a god that has only "existed" for about 2000 years when Homo Sapien has been around for 200 000+ ?
>Do I believe in a god when humans clearly have made up, worshiped and forgotten thousands of other gods?
>Do I believe in something that has never talked, been seen or showed any evidence of it it self?
>Do I still live in the medieval period?
No.

>>727086668
/This.

>>727076263
fuck you, dont you bring him into this argument. hes above your shit.

>>727086766
Dubs = truth.

>>727084411
you've never seen evolution happen tho, you just believe based on faith, same as all other religions.

>>727086980
>you've never seen evolution happen tho
Evolution is visible around us all the time and has been tried and proven in scientific conditions..

>>727078606
God have mercy on you.

>>727086668
>Do I believe in a god that has only "existed" for about 2000 years when Homo Sapien has been around for 200 000+ ?

Euphoric display of your ignorance, gentlesir.

>>727077092
you are right, there is only black and white, religious and atheist, no such thing as a middle ground. because everyone needs an ultimatum when dealing with life. there is never a 3rd more sensible option

>>727086980
But we can see evolution clearly by simply examining DNA. Without even looking at fossils or anything else. Its very obvious.

>>727087350
You either believe in a god or you don't. A or not A. A middle ground here is logically impossible.

>>727087350
There literally is no middle ground it is A and Not A logically. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god. If you don't believe in god then you are an atheist. Its logically impossible to be somewhere in between.

>>727087307
>Euphoric display of your ignorance, gentlesir.
What ignorance? About Homo Sapien or about your so called "god" ?
Christianity didn't exist until about year 30 after the alleged nailing to the cross.
The human race is not something you can argue about.

>>727087307
Ignorance? Kek please explain.
And if you quote that fucking book full of fairytales I'll burn down the nearest church in spite.

>>727087650
I think he means that the way you are phrasing it you'd say that Plato has only existed since the 1930's. Human discovery doesn't make things exist. I get your point though.

Yes
I would rather die thinking that I'm going to heaven than to die thinking that there is nothing after death

>>727087855
Why? Also, why does what you would prefer to be true make you believe that it is true?

>>727087855
I don't understand this. How can you believe something because you would rather it be true? You are either convinced something is true or not, correct? How does you wanting it to be the case affect how convinced you are? I wish I had a million dollars in the bank, that doesn't make me more convinced that it is so. Is it just that other people believe it? I really dont understand this. I am being sincere.

>>727073260
No, I tried being a believer and read some stuff about bible's most memorables and, you know, walking on water, humans created out of dirt and a bone, multiplying food, turning water into wine,... It' just didn't make sense to me

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>>727087486
Is this the same person? if so we think exactly the same lol.

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>>727073260
No. I believe we're in a hologram. I believe in a programmer with 420 billion years more intelligence than me.

>>727087854
That's the thing about religion though, until someone believes in it (with strong emphasis on the word "believe") it doesn't exist.
Planets and real things exist no matter what we believe...

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>>727085364
other famous atheists
Alfred Kinsey - scientist, he took sadistic pleasure out of his research, and did some very weird stuff, including exploiting children for sex.
Than Shwe - dictator
Kim Jong Il - de facto leader of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
Jeffrey Dahmer -an infamous serial killer and atheist sentenced to 900 years in prison, said “if a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?”
Jim Jones - he “took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism”, largest loss of life event in america before 9/11
Benito Mussolini - dictator
Mao Zedong - dictator
Pol Pot - another dictator
Joseph Stalin - and another

We should seriously do something about this Atheist problem.

>>727088199
But they claim they have discovered something that has been their the whole time. I agree that it is made up and therefor does not exist prior to the belief. But a real believer does not agree with that so you would just be talking right past them.

>>727088136
Yep. I guess we went to the same brainwashing seminar.

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>>727085364
MFW faith doesn't stop priests from diddling kiddie pickles

>>727088199
Yes, but you're only talking about the human idea of religion. Gravity existed before Newton invented a way to describe it.

>>727088470
I went to a anti-evolution, anti climate change christian highschool/middleschool. I'd say the brainwashing wore off.

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>>727073260
No
>Inb4 some high-and-mighty fuck tells me how to live my life.

>>727088888

>All the gods throughout human history were different depictions of the same Concept.
>The question isn't "is there a God? Because that question leads nowhere.
>The question is "Who am I?"
>You will find that everything that you think you are is material and impermanent. Your name, your gender, your height, your nationality, etc.
>You will find yourself in a horrible mental state, questioning your own existance.
>"To be, or not to be- that is the question." - Shakespeare
>this question will drive you mad.
>"Step into the fire of self discovery. It will not burn you, only what you are not."
>nothing else will be on your mind.
>"I think, therefore I am", maybe there's something to this.
>If you're an atheist, or if you don't believe in God, then your only option is that you don't exist. Because you'll have to give back your body to nature, if you are nothing else than your brain than You - is an illusion.
>If you go through with this, than you will find that You are something that cannot be described with word, any description of You would be distortion.
>You are a fragment of God.
>A Child of God.
>A Soul.

>>727088315
>if a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?
Because what is beneficial to society is ultimately beneficial to you. On the other hand, if you believe there is a God that you are accountable to and you believe that God commands you to commit genocide, what is to stop you?

>>727088050
>How does you wanting it to be the case affect how convinced you are?
Dude, people do this constantly. Everyone. All the time. They are biased, even when they are trying to step outside of themselves and examine the world. It's depressing and terrifying. I strive to never do it, but I can't be sure I'm succeeding.

This is how I see it.
>There is two rooms.
>You sit in one of them.
>Someone tells you there is a clock in the other room.
This is where it starts going different ways.
>The religion tells you to have faith, the clock is there.
>Science says you need evidence.
The scientist enters the other room and checks because he needs proof before he accepts it.
There is no clock in the room.
>He decides it clearly not true, no clock exists.
The religious person decides to check as well.
>He enters the room.
>Still no clock.
>But he has faith, a clock must exist anyways in there.
One makes sense, the other is in my eyes completely insane.

>>727088878
>You - is an illusion
Yep.
>You are a fragment of God.
Nope.

>>727089094
Watch the original Ghost in the Shell and Ghost in the Shell - Innocence movies.

>>727089086
That's why arguing with religious people is pointless.
Faith is the poison of minds.

>>727088878
>All the gods throughout human history were different depictions of the same Concept.
People claim this all the time but has no foundation. Buddhism, Christianity, Shinto, Mayan religion, etc..., do not share anything other than irrational belief. They do not always answer the same things. They don't give the same answer even if they do address similar things. This is just fluff.

no but i am a fan of death note

>>727089312
That's because religions are Esoteric and not Scientific.
They are not meant to explain something that can be shared and talked about. They are metaphores for the individual to contemplate upon.

>>727088992
Sure I get that people are more easily convinced of things that appeal to them. But if you can point out that is the reason why, then it loses that grip. As soon as you recognize that you believed something more easily because you wanted it to be true it pushes you even further into the not believing it camp.

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>>727088315
Now looking at the middle east and the time between 0-1999 the majority of murder, crime and oppression against humans (esp. Woman) was caused only by religious beliefs

>>727073963
The Devil is nothing more than death and destruction. What you get from him is little more than the splinters of what God would give you.

>>727089455
>They are not meant to explain something that can be shared and talked about.
Then what's up with evangelists and theologians?
>They are metaphores for the individual to contemplate upon.
Many, many theists don't think their god is a metaphor. They think it's an actual entity.

>>727089312
Also, the similarities that *do* exist between lots of religions has everything to do with the history of the religions and nothing to do with a common truth underneath them.

>>727089484
Yeah, or it at least restores some objectivity.

>>727089792
C.S. Lewis sure spouted a lot of nonsense.

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Kek, people still believe in some magic man living in the sky that gives children cancer.
Happy I live in a place where the local church has been turned into a heavy metal bar.

>>727089455
People sincerely believe their religions to be factual. Thats not called a metaphor. I get some people take it as metaphor which is fine, but lets not pretend that religious followers just think its a metaphor they like to contemplate. Most people who sincerely believe believe because they think it is the actual reality. These people blowing themselves up dont do it because they were moved by a metaphor its because they think it is reality..

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>>727073260
Does it really matter?

>>727089617
Yes, most religious people are wrong.
That's because meanwhile Science is selective of its members Religion is not. You need to complete certain trials to be able to call yourself a scientist, such as rigorous studies. Then you represent the whole of science.
But becoming a member of a religion has no trials, you can literally walk into a church, ask to join and they will let you, even if you just spent 50 years in prison. So members of a religion are not fit to represent the religion itself.

>>727089901
He is the master if platitudes and fluff.

>>727090048
I dunno. Does it matter that people oppress, abuse, torture, and kill others in the name of their god?

>>727089792
Statements like this that rely on some bizarre underlying logic were really common in the crazy Christian society I grew up in.

>>727073260

As in the Bible, no But let's face it humanity, we are missing something here. The whole universe thing as we currently understand it makes no sense whatsoever. There's a truth, but I fear humanity simply will never grasp it as it's outside of our ability to ever understand. Not even science may be able to handle it. I guess evolution boosted by technology might do it...but I can't help but wonder if we will be so different than we are now in order to understand what's going on, we'll all essentially be dead.

>>727090000

If there is a god I'm gonna slowly gut him and skullfuck his useless cunt corpse if I ever see him.
Deserves nothing less for giving my wife a stroke at the age of 29..

>>727090195
What if someone is a productive human being and has faith?
https://youtu.be/dsmyzC4AkFQ

>>727073260
Not really, kind of wish i had blind faith in something like that though


Religion is for pussies

>>727090066
Then what is? The so-called sacred texts of those religions? If so, they aren't completely metaphorical either.

>>727089926
>a place where the local church has been turned into a heavy metal bar.
Where is this heaven on Earth?!

If god exist, I'd sex but know I'm stuck wank

No, I never felt like I needed a God in my life

>>727090265
"God has a plan for us all"
Yeah I guess that is suffering and pain for millions everyday. Sick son of a bitch that god figure.

i %100 percent believe there is a higher power
however, i believe that although it has a "higher purpose" and "works in mysterious ways" its no different to how people work with mysterious motives to further there own agendas
>tldr i believe there is a god but dont follow it or trust it

>>727090220
the universe isn't obligated to make sense to you.

>>727090378
Propping up faith as a virtue is itself harmful. It enables those others who oppress, abuse, torture, and kill others.

It's funny that you posted a clip from the episode about Mormonism, because Mormonism is harmful as well.

>>727090413
>Where is this heaven on Earth?!
Small town in northern Sweden just outside Kurravaara.
Far from the only re-purposed church here.
We have skate halls and everything in old churches. Cheaper than tearing them down.

I seriously can't believe that grown men believe in myths written by ancient people. Are you fucking kidding me?

You should have noticed that it's bullshit by 16 at the latest, or at least begun to start asking some serious questions about it.

"There is a place where you and your dumb cunt kids, dumb cunt family and dumb cunt friends can go, and sing songs, and its called the church, and they never turn away a bunch of dumb cunts"

>>727090220
>The whole universe thing as we currently understand it makes no sense whatsoever.
Nature is not obligated to make sense.
>There's a truth, but I fear humanity simply will never grasp it as it's outside of our ability to ever understand.
You're deciding that "there's a truth." You're taking it as an axiom. You're just deciding to believe it.

>>727075372

>implying that anything outside of our immediate solar system isn't just a low res skybox

>>727090402
You are right, those contain laws and rules other things, but Jesus didn't write the bible.

Jesus told stories. The bible has some of those stories and other things in it as well.

Because there's no inherent self-criticizing in religion, like in science, the individual has to question everything on his own.

The whole thing is this: there are stories. Stories can be told, like Jesus told stories, they can be taught, they can be printed in books or shown in movies. You see a story and think about it. But not like a scientific problem, but rather let it effect you.

Because esoterism and religion don't question itself and its followers, most of the "spiritual" stuff out there is bullshit. You'll have to figure out which part isn't.

>>727090518
But why do you believe it exists?

>>727089094
explain?

>>727090440
This is---verbatim---the argument I'm going to give the next time this topic comes up anywhere in life.

I believe in you OP

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What god? Thor? Odin? Zeus? Luhhjahayée?
Gotta be more specific mate, there is hundreds.

>>727090811
It is different when literally everyone around you believes it and tells you that this is revealed truth by god. Most of the people around you say they have direct contact with the god daily. And finally say that everyone that doesn't believe it actively works to hide god from the world so scientists work together to hide god. This is many people's daily life. Its how I grew up.

>>727090945
I have no reason to think that there's anything "spiritual" (which is ill-defined) that isn't bullshit. I read the stories in the Bible and it gives some terrible lessons if there isn't an actual, non-metaphorical afterlife with an actual, non-metaphorical god.

>>727090811
Most people are extremely impressionable. People who are good at manipulation and don't have qualms about doing it can get those around them to believe all sorts of things for the benefit of the manipulator.

Yes, non denominational Christian.

>>727073260
I used to in the past. For me people have created a religion for living simple. They didn't understand many things so they assigned them to gods/god.
But I have nothing if someone is believer, until he's a muslim.

What's the right answer?

i believe in kek

>>727091258
it's not about god, heaven, hell, afterlife, because you simply cannot acquire a single bit of information about them as long as you're alive in this world.
It's about You.

>>727073260
of course there is god. molecules forming cells by accident? cells forming not only organisms, that can move by themselves, but also human brains?

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>>727091424
>What's the right answer?
Some people are delusional, some are not.

>>727091231
That's how I grew up too, and I fucking still hate it at 33. I felt like I was being driven insane by being surrounded by this. The insanity would especially flare up ever Sunday. Every single fucking week.

>>727090613
There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory which states that this has already happened

>>727091514
Yeah, I want to believe that which is true and not believe that which is not true. Bible stories have not shown themselves to be a reliable pathway to truth. At best, they allow for mental exercises.

>>727090952
because its illogical for it not to exist, theres obviously other universes and higher planes than the one were on, i believe it's just one of many things from a higher plane but it chooses to interact with us as were "lesser than" and can be manipulated to whatever end

>>727091550
Sounds like shit. Here in northern Scandinavia I never knew anyone at all that was religious until I started university. And that was a buddhist dude.
God and going to church on Sundays etc was Hollywood stuff we saw in movies.
Still the same now days. Religion has no place here.

>>727091775
>theres obviously other universes and higher planes than the one were on
Is it? Can you demonstrate this?

>>727091522
Human brains don't form by accident. They are the result of a tremendous amount of history. It's a long story, yes, but one filled with evidence and verifiable consequences.

>>727091522
that argument is bullshit. Cars also dont just form by themselves. A lot of work (energy and time) is required to make them. Same with organisms just that there is a buttload of time and energy required to form complex structures without anything but the forces of nature

>>727091550
I feel ya man. It affects everything in your life. Much of the direction in life I chose I now regret largely because I thought the world worked completely different than reality. It kills me when ppl like Reza say religion is just a metaphor and they are expressing socio economic concerns through these religious symbols. Its bullshit. I spent my early life believing it was true and when I realized it was bullshit It changed me drastically. Politics completely change because how you see the world radically changes. Religion is not how ppl express themselves. They are fucking cults. There is no difference other than mainstream acceptance.

>>727091851
/This. Moved around Scandinavia as a kid because of my parents work, never met anyone religious.
And I mean no one.
And my home town now here in northern Sweden closed its only church because no one of the 3000 people here used it.

>>727091693
I can't explain this any better, I'm not a fucking enlightened sage. only a philosophy student.

The deeper you go into "this", the less people you can talk with about it. Most religious people know fucking zero about it.
You'll go through nihilism and question your own existence.
And after a while you won't be able to talk to anyone about it. You'll go beyond a point where you'll have to do it alone.
the word Esoteric means "knowledge that comes from within."
Anything that I write to you here and now, anything you'll read anywhere is not esoteric.
Sit down, shut up and think about yourself. Who are you?
And then, think about the metaphores.
Nothing and no one will bluntly tell you the final truth, you'll have to experience it for yourself.

>>727091775
Yeah its definately not obvious if its true at all. I asked why you believed and you just said because another belief that isnt supported. So, why do you believe that?

>>727091948
its been demonstrated that we live in an expanding universe, for it to expand it must expand into something, which suggests that there is something out of our universe
humans didnt believe that there were worlds outside of our solar system for many years, and still to this day officially believe this planet may hold the only sentient life in this universe, i believe this is a shallow belief as in the infinity of the universe anything is possible, and that possibility is only multiplied exponentially if you concider whats outside of the universe

>tldr i cant demonstrate it but Occam's razor would suggest that in the infinity of existence it would probably exist

>>727092250
refer to this
>>727092312
>noone can provide proof towards it until we build a spacecraft and investigate the universe
>just as noone can provide and proof towards what i can infer are your shallow beliefs that they dont exist

Atheists just don't want to submit to God. Probably because of something bad that happened in their lives.

>>727092312
>an expanding universe, for it to expand it must expand into something, which suggests that there is something out of our universe

This is just a gross misunderstanding of physics. Space and time are what the Universe is. More space is being generated and that is expansion. There isnt space the Universe is moving into.

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>>727090748
Yes, faith enables oppression, violence, and all that other fun stuff, in the same way that Doom and other mega-violent video games enable real violence.

>>727092232
>only a philosophy student.
Yeah, I took philosophy too, though I didn't major in it. You aren't blowing my mind here.
>Who are you?
An emergent property of a collection of cells working together for mutual benefit. There is no actual "I", just a stream of consciousness generated by organic matter.
>And then, think about the metaphores.
Still terrible advice, and the deeper you go into "this" the less meaningful religion becomes.

>>727092312
> for it to expand it must expand into something
No, this is just a limitation of human imagination.

>>727092590
where is your proof towards this gross misunderstanding of physics?
and of course space and time are some of the parts that make up the universe in the same way another universe could be made up of something else

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>>727092561
>Atheists just don't want to submit to God. Probably because of something bad that happened in their lives.
Kek, I guess the population of entire countries had bad childhood then..

>>727073260
Yup

>>727091987
you didn't read well. i wrote:
>molecules forming cells by accident
>It's a long story, yes, but one filled with evidence and verifiable consequences.
mhm
>>727092050
>A lot of work (energy and time) is required to make them.
>make
soo...
>energy required to form complex structures without anything but the forces of nature
forces of nature, yes. but what the fuck is "life"? look at cells. it looks like the forces of nature aimed at making something specific. if something exists, which has amibition or will or can move itself, than there is more than the elements in the periodic table and the 4 fundamental forces, because these have no aims. nature cannot have ambition and aims.

>>727073260
Nope! I have no reason to do something so pointless. Even if you gave me a reason, I'd still opt out.

>>727092561
Nope. I just grew up atheist. Nothing particularly bad happened, I was just never indoctrinated into believing in a god.

>>727092312
>its been demonstrated that we live in an expanding universe, for it to expand it must expand into something
No, it's specifically *not* expanding into something. Dark energy/the cosmological constant talks about the universe, not the universe inside of something else. Everything is moving away from everything else, everywhere.

>>727092615
Nope. Very different situations.

>>727092767
its not a limitation of the human imagination at all
its logical that it would expand into something
even if it appeared to us as "appearing" or that the universe just grows not expands the matter may be comming from somewhere else such as another plane or something which i cannot say

>>727073260
Duh. How else could the Big Bang taken place?

>>727092561
Let me guess: God's Not Dead is your favorite?

>>727076595
So stupid.

>>727092794

>The short answer is that this is a nonsense question, the Universe isn't expanding into anything, it's just expanding. The definition of the Universe is that it contains everything. If something was outside the Universe, it would also be part of the Universe too.

www.universetoday.com

This is really basic stuff. It sounds like you were misinformed by some fake yogi-physicist bullshiter

>>727092836
Life is the force. The force is life.

>>727092896
if everything is moving away from everything else
where are you implying the systems on the farthest edge of the universe are moving to?
if we have an apple on the edge of the universe and it moves 2 inches past the universe, what are you saying the apple has moved into? nothing?

>>727092561
Or much more likely they grew up in a country where religion holds no position at all.
Like me. Literally never been in a church or met someone religious. Never.

>>727092958
>its logical that it would expand into something
No actually, it isn't. That's an appeal to common sense fallacy due to the limitation of human imagination.

>>727076890
>Atheism is like a religion

And you are like a douche nozzle

>>727093135
what force?

>>727093098
So if a person believes that raping a child will cure HIV, that doesn't matter?

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There is only one god. Alcohol.

>>727092654
I'm not taking my metaphores from religion.
I'm watching films and reading good literature.
Ghost in the Shell,
Ghost in the Shell: Innocence
The matrix movies

Joseph Campbell: A hero with a thousand faces
etc

>>727093119
you statement itself sounds idiotic, you say the universe is expanding
and then go on to say that it has nothing to expand into
i really dont want to debate with you anymore as were both just stating our beliefs at eachother with no solid proof

>>727077798
You have to go fuck yourself

>>727093307
>The matrix movies

>>727093294
Amen.

>>727091618

Never head of it that one. I'll have to look into it. Sounds interesting.

But as I understand it, the Universe will die at one point. This fits in with nature and reality that we very well understand. But it doesn't work for everything else. Mainly, that something has to begin and end. So...what began BEFORE the universe? And if this is all just infinity then why is the universe pulling apart appearing to eventually be a dead universe through variously different predicted ways (i.e. heat death) and how do we fit in a universe run on infinity?

We're missing something huge. I know this thread is about the Bible, but the whole point or religion is to make sense of reality. Bible makes NO sense...but neither does what science is telling us.

>>727078394
>An atheist is convinced that God does it exist,

Wrong, retard! You really are a dullard.

>>727093168
you totally ignored the rest of my statement so let me rephrase it into a question
>what do you believe is happening that is not a limitation of the human imagination, im always looking to be enlightened to new ways of thinking

>>727092958
>the matter may be comming from somewhere else
Exactly zero matter appears as the universe expands. A source of new matter simply isn't needed in the theory that describes it. I like very much that you're in touch with the knowledge that the universe is expanding. It's amazing, and not a lot of people know about it or even care. But you need to learn more about it.

>>727077058
Mmmmm... knee socks, bare legs, and probably white cotton panties... do want!!!!

>>727093307
>I'm not taking my metaphores from religion.
Then why are we talking about it?

You can talk about metaphors all day long, but what I care about is reality.

>>727093140
Who said the universe had an edge? It could be closed, like a sphere.

>>727093460
the universe itself isnt matter, wether or not it has tangibility is irrelevant, space is made up of space the darkness of it itself is something that must be generated, and it must be generated from something comming from somewhere

>>727073260
I do. And I'm not walking for him right now. That's why I'm here. On 4chan. With all these other faggots posting here.

>>727093294
mfw this thread has me chugging wine

>>727093309
The statement isnt self defeating... space and time is the universe. If there was space adjacent to the universe then we would simply call that a part of the universe. There is nothing outside the rim of the universe, Including space. Educate yourself on the physics of the Universe before you start talking to ppl about how there has to be other diminsions cuz where is our Universe moving into sorta shit cuz it doesnt make any sense if you know that space and time is our Universe.

Highly recommend this. I think its on Netflix too http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/the-inexplicable-universe-unsolved-mysteries.html

>>727093607
thats even better
if it isnt expanding and is a closed sphere, concider that we find a way to "puncture" the sphere. if it is closed the sphere would need to have a wall which lets say theoretically way punctured. so whats on the other side

>>727093770
you still neglect to tell me, how the universe is expanding if there is nothing outside of it

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>>727092836
>look at cells
>it looks like the forces of nature aimed at making something specific

It's not, though.
If it was, why are these forces (God) so retarded as to take billions of fucking years to accomplish sentience? Why did God spend so much time dicking around making dinosaurs and then glassing them with a giant fucking comet? Just for the lulz?

There's no aim for any of this, we just got lucky that two retarded proto-humans fucked and happened to create a trait (sentience) which happened to be really fucking helpful in ensuring the survival of the species that has it (homo sapiens sapiens).

Also try telling starving ethiopians that nature has ambitions and aims as flies are crawling on their eyeballs and they live an existence devoid of any perceived meaning other than suffering

>>727093638
no, please, no
The theory is that everything is moving away from everything else. That's all. Distance between things isn't a thing that needs to be created.

I Belive im trump

who created god ? /thread

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Grew up in Texas, 22 years of people praising god, going to church, speaking of satan and sin.
I never really cared.
Moved to Norway because of my wife.
Complete freedom from religion.
People chill at home on Sundays, no fat money grabbin preacher on the town square, no talk about judgement and schools are religion free.
Didn't realize how much I hate religion and religious people until I experienced sane humans in a non religious country.
>Kek sending my parents pics on Sunday morning, chilling on the couch with some wine and food.

>>727090613

Really? Because last I heard A: We exist in the universe. It's not like there's an impenetrable bubble floating somewhere in space. Then I could agree with you it's simply something we weren't meant to know.

And B: last I heard, we have yet to find anything in the universe as complicated as the human brain. Everything is energy, but NOTHING in known existence uses energy in such a complicated fashion as our brains.

So have to disagree that the universe is beyond our ability to eventually figure out. We just need the right tools and how to use them. Then we can yell to the heavens "We have the tools! We have the talent! It's Miller Time!"

>>727093815
You sound like Fox Mulder. You want to habeeb.

>>727093888
I thought we agreed that the universe was expanding. This is scientifically observable. If space was adjacent to the universe we would simply call that part of the universe because the universe is all the continuous space and time. Therefore the universe is not expanding into something. If there was something it was expanding into then that something would have been considered part of the universe in the first place. If you were here in person I could show u graphically but thats too much trouble over the internet. Just look this shit up. It isn't controversial.

>>727093946
>If it was, why are these forces (God) so retarded as to take billions of fucking years to accomplish sentience?
i didn't say exactly, that some guy did it, but there is something that also has ambition and therefore lifes and has enough power to launch all this
>making dinosaurs
>Just for the lulz?
why not?
>There's no aim for any of this
i said, the aim was life on earth
>we just got lucky that two retarded proto-humans fucked and happened to create a trait (sentience) which happened to be really fucking helpful in ensuring the survival of the species that has it (homo sapiens sapiens).
never questioned evolution
>Also try telling starving ethiopians that nature has ambitions and aims as flies are crawling on their eyeballs and they live an existence devoid of any perceived meaning other than suffering
thats ethics. maybe god doesn't give a fuck about that

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>>727094229
dont believe it, habeeb it ;)

>>727094435
Exactly! It's just stuff moving away from stuff! Mary and Joseph Christ!

We need to put God back in schools. We can still teach evolution, but creationism needs to have a higher priority. We have to follow the facts not base our decisions on feelings.

>>727094145
>Implying we actually understand anything

'no'.

We just create symbolic models to try to account for the things we observe.

Humans are really good at modelling, but if you think our models have any inherent meaning that will allow us to achieve any true type of higher meaning, you're just falling for a meme

>>727094114
Really hoping I will be able to move soon as well, Few miles outside Dallas here. People are fucking nutjobs.
Can't even listen to Iron Maiden without someone screaming about Satan..
Fucking cunts all of them. Just working on getting my papers in order and then I'm fucking gone.

People who God are fucken RETARDS. I'm atheist always try to tell me diff

>>727094750
I God prove me wrong

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No, there is no god.

Use you fuckng heads and see beyond the societal brainwash. Sure it's easy and comforting to believe in god, but it's just you being a pussy who is unable to cope with reality. You're born and you die. There is nothing more or nothing less.

Without religion, people would have no hope, we wouldn't try to do wonderful things like going to Mars.

God is a satellite at the edge of the universe, absorbing electromagnetic impulses and retrieving data on the entire universe. Unenlightened individuals view the universe through the God Lens, while enlightened individuals are free from the psychic influence of the God Lens. Think of the God Lens as a video game system, and when you turn it on (to play God) you are immediately hypnotized by the flashing graphics on the screen. You are drawn to the dazzling colors and intriguing characters. The immersive environment and endless possibilities of playing God lift your soul toward the heavens, leaving your spirit shackled to the earth. Imagine a halo hovering above our planet, absorbing every spiritual impulse from every human soul. Eventually this halo would have enough energy to disengage from the rest of the cosmos and go its own way. Now imagine the halo as a sphere, and the sphere as a planet. We would call this planet Hell. It is a realm of psychic spiritual light, endlessly tantalizing its inhabitants with rays of pure intellectual cotton candy in plasma form. These inhabitants would be ghostly shadows of their former selves, and they would dwell in the Infernal Light of Hell forever. The contents of Hell can only be ascertained through clairvoyance, as the Hell Sphere is so distant from the reset of the cosmos.

>>727094114
>>727094669
Same here, moved to Finland in 2009.
Family back home in Oklahoma are hardcore Christians. Grew up with bible here and bible there..
They don't even talk to me anymore since I stopped going to church. My moms last words to me before I moved was "You gonna burn in hell, not my son, no he doesn't exist anymore"
Like what the fuck mom?

>>727094821
>Use you fuckng heads and see beyond the societal brainwash
sounds like me, when i was in puberty

>bunch'a sand-niggers 2000 yrs ago know more about science and morality than we do now.
>religious people have greater than 1 INT score.
>religitard posters do not wear a diaper and wank to furries.

traditions are an idiot thing.

>browses 4chan and 4chan knock offs
>still "convinced" Satan doesn't exist
>ignorance is bliss
>ignorance is strength

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>>727094927
>Without religion, people would have no hope, we wouldn't try to do wonderful things like going to Mars.

>>727073260
i believe in you <3

>>727094821
>calls religion brainwashing
>repeats what he was indoctrinated with in school

>>727094145
> We just need the right tools and how to use them.

Except when it comes to quantum physics. We have the tools and know how to use them. Quantum physics is simply too complicated for the human brain to properly comprehend. And if someone tells you they understand QP, they don't understand QP.

Our brains didn't evolve to understand this shit. The fact we can understand as little as we do about the universe is simply mind boggling.

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>>727095020
Ha ha......just kys.

>>727095092
The Mars missions was strictly religious in intent. We wanted to spread the good word of Scientology to the Martians. It was entirely funded by Scientology.

>>727095097
:) <3

If Atheism is the religion of skepticism, why are Atheists so easy to troll?

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>>727094974
Your mom sounds like a proper cunt.
That's Christianity for you..
Love and forgiveness.
Don't believe?
FUCK YOU; BURN IN HELL.

>>727095216
Really where?

>>727095071
human's don't need satan to be horrible. Nature is rape an torture all by itself.

>>727095070
>>bunch'a sand-niggers 2000 yrs ago know more about science and morality than we do now.
never happened. thats a modern myth, made by muslims besieging the west. greeks and romans, idiot

>>727095216
>implying teaching children history, science, literature, etc. in an environment where they're free to ask questions and criticize the evidence without rejection is the same as forcing children to adopt your particular set of beliefs

fuckin' wut m8?

>>727095375
>ignorance is bliss
>ignorance is strength

>>727095273
Thanks anon, made me giggle.

>>727095404
all religions are a myth.
thank you.

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>>727095216

>>727095509
>believes frogs turn into princes
>believes rehashed pagan folklore passed off as evolution

>>727095569
Nice selfie

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Kira will be the God of the new world!