How can other beers compete?

Beer is disgusting.

>>727029483

I'm sorry.

*hugs you*

>>727029407
Literally shit tier.

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Tried this yet?

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>>727029407
Easily found a better beer

>>727029706
Meh

>>727029703
Nah but looks promising, I like a strong beer.

>>727029706
Does that have a "print run" of like 10 botttles?

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>>727029827
if you like em strong and you like IPAs, this

>>727030281
Jesus 9.0%, might be worth a shot

>>727029407
>How can other beers compete?
By being better. It's a good beer, for sure, and it has a place in history for helping to reestablish craft brewing in the US. But it's not the best in any way: it's not the best craft brew, not the best PA, and it's not even the best of either in northern CA.

>>727031613
yeah certain beers might beat it in some areas but overall if you had to pick a beer for an unknown context and including price and everything its hard to beat.

Dale' Pale Ale is my fancy beer. PBR to chill.

>>727029407
That's not a beer. Learn to read labels.

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>>727031613
Either in Not cal? Never been there I see. There's over 100 breweries it's infested with everything from pure shit to good beer. Study up. Sierra Nevada is no longer craft. It's mass produced. And its pretty good in light of that. Sculpin. Piny the Elder. There are still great crafts here

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Who doesn't love the satisfying bitter taste of an India pale ale in the evening?

https://discord.gg/bp44v4s

We're almost at 100, time to crack open the Centennial

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This is the king. No competition.

Pale ale/IPA kiddos are the newfags of beer. GTFO

>>727030281
Evil Twin Molotov Cocktail is an IPA thats 12 percent and is fucking fantastically easy to drink, Id suggest that over magshit hat.

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>>727029407
>How can other beers compete?

like this

>>727033202
/This. The most underrated beer from Sweden.
Got a bad rep because of it's strong alcohol taste, but that's just the first sip or two.
Love it, as far as strong lagers go it's a 8/10.
It has become a freaking meme here about it being the worst..

>>727033282
>IPA is shit you're a kiddo
Can't name an alternative. Found the 12 year old. Go away, adults are talking

>>727033532
How about a nice saison? Or sour gose? Im personally a stout/porter guy. You can continue to think the supersaturation of shitty IPAs in the craft beer market is a good thing, its a shit beer thats brewed with a fucked batch cause you can literally stuff shit in it and someone is going to think its a good beer.

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>>727029407
My favorite too

>>727033486
lmk when you stop using your fake ID.

>>727033676
I like variety and seasonal beer drinking. Ever tried having a nice porter or stout in 100 degree weather? The shitty ones will go away when no one drinks them a second time and we'll be left with the goods. Saying IPA is shit is just saying you're too lazy to find a good one. And I'm not saying there aren't shit ones I've had too many. Lots of IPAs have been around a long time

>>727032933
THIS. Nothing beats Sculpin for me. Someone that thinks Sierra Nevada is the best hasn't tried many beers. It's not that Sierra Nevada is bad, but it is nothing special compared to many craft breweries.

>>727034070
Well seeing as to how where I live is relatively cold year around I can't say that I do that often. But on vacation, yes I have actually had quite a few porters that bode well on a warmer/hot day. So there's that. Claiming that you liking IPAs makes you a seasonal beer drinker just makes me lul.

>>727034170
Yup. It's because Sierra Nevada is no longer a craft beer. It's mass produced. Just like blue moon. Also Lagunitas has been killing it lately.

>>727034254
I'm actually in central cal. We get shit weather here. Went to school up there. I miss that shit.

>>727034320
No, not just like Blue Moon. Sierra Nevada is still made by the original producers. Blue Moon is owned by Budweiser, even Ballest Point is owned by Corona now hence the new fruit flavors

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tbh

>>727034254
Here's the deal. If I like ipa when it's hot I'll drink that shit because America motherfucker

>>727034413
I wish Breckenridge still made their vanilla porter. Seriously good year around, also Holy City pluff mud is good in the warmth. Foothills peoples is always good no matter the time of year.

>>727034525
I'll give you that one.

>>727034499
Checked. I'll yield to you on that. But I feel they have lost something through mass production . I do concede this to be my opinion.

>>727034543
This. I forgot about Breckenridge. Tasty stouts and porters although I never had that vanilla one you speak of

>>727034739
I cant find that shit anywhere, in bottles or tap. I remember one night they had it Nitro on tap and it was seriously divine.

>>727034787
That makes me thirsty. I was disappointed with my bar's nitro set up. Or maybe it's just because they were running that shitty Guinness IPA

>>727035102
Oh you poor thing. Best nitro stout I've ever had was Founders Breakfast, I took home 3 growlers that night.

>>727035218
Yeah. I'll admit this town is a year or so behind with what's on tap. And also I did see the point about over saturation as it makes it tough for a bar to stock heavy beers now. There's 8 IPAs on tap everywhere

>>727035454
Honestly that's one of my biggest gripes about them, they are fucking literally EVERYWHERE. I enjoy one from time to time, but they aren't really my style.

>>727029407
By being made in Europe (Central Europe preferably).
Enjoy your piss water...

>>727029407
Easy not everybody is a faggot IPA drinking hipster

>>727035672
I wouldn't have predicted, in my early drinking years, ipa would be the one to take off like that... my family on the coast turned some land into a solar farm instead of a brewery.... fucktards... they'd be filthy rich. IPA runs Cali right now

>>727035927
>IPA
>Hipster
ahahahahaha

>>727035863
5.6, Piss.

Alright.

>>727029703
Actually my fav beer
10/10 worth every cent

>>727035936
Oh yeah I know, I've heard stories ab cali's adoration with IPAs. I weirdly like the Habanero Sculpin from Ballast Point. There's not a lot that really stand out to me though.

>>727035863
Bitch please. We take your brew and make it palatable. Eurofag beer got nothing on this 10.0 extra iPad in my hand now. If your shit was any good we'd have it. We have all the best . Murica

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THE ONLY RIGHT ANSWER FAGGOTS

>>727035995
Drinking one now. Cheers bro

>>727029827
two hearted is made year round if you want the seasonal triple it goes by the name hopslam

>>727036123
Bad bait. 2/10 cause I responded

>>727036216
Good thing they come in 500ml cans too, enjoy brother

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>>727036271
LooooooooooL. They sure do

guinness master race

>>727036340
Get em in a 4 pack? have them after a few throw downs and you'll be buzzing

>>727036407
the fuck is a throw down

>>727029407
By being german or belgian or probably every other european country which implies they dont taste like piss

>>727036369
Can you argue with this faggot?

>>727036262
lol faggot

>>727036407
They sell em 2 fer 4 dollars at circle k. I'm buzzing. I can barely type good

>>727036425
Some shitty beer that doesnt kick like a mule, I brew my own beer and usually do a super hoppy ipa style and something light.
Australian slang i guess

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This one, regardless of vintage, is truly amazing. Maybe not the best, but definitely the best one of the 160 american beers I have tried. Unfortunately it is impossible to get in Europe.

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>>727029407
>george costanza.jpg

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>>727036722
>people ITT do not have local access to some of the best brews in the world

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/751/45849/
Why even live?

>>727032933
Did you read what I said?
>there are better beers in NoCal
>better PAs
>better craft beers

Yeah, CA has a lot of brewers. Sierra Nevada is good, not great by today's standards, but basically started the craft brewing revival of the 1980s.

>Sierra Nevada is no longer craft.
Yes it is, by definition. It is not a macro brew. They use traditional brewing methods. They started on rigged brewing equipment in the 80s, and classed it up since. But they are nowhere near the mechanized swill that preceded them, in quality or method.

I lived in the SF area for 13 years, I know my CA beer. I'm a brewer in Portland OR, I know my beer in general.

>>727033461
Moved to the west coast... I miss New Glarus so goddamn much...

>>727036626
Whaaaaat you guys get that shit in the AU? Word. They make a beerschnaaaps as well for any liquor heads? Only 1500 bottles a year. It's so good

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>>727036123
Still better than every other beer posted so far

>>727036897
Right?

>>727036427
That is simply not true anymore. As a scandinavian, having lived in both Belgium and Germany, i would still say american beer is heavily underrated. The mass produced lagers are shit, but there are so many great american microbreweries(and big breweries making craft beer).

One example is this:
>>727036701
Really good Belgian style saison, way better than most of the Belgian saisons.Yes, Belgium and Germany have the culture, but american breweries are often making better versions of European beer styles.

>>727036986
You bet, craft beers really going off here.
If your into tasty beers try some of James squires if they're around your grog shops

>>727036958
I have to say. I've been on a quest to find good beers and drink em. Haven't come across that and I hear it's the real deal

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I drink Guinness like water so I've been buying this hipster shit beer to try and slow down my rate of consumption. Unfortunately I developed a taste for this IPA shit and now I can get comfortably toasted on just about any hipster swill, as long as it's not a fucking wheat beer. Wheat beer is fucking awful and if you like wheat beer you are a fucking awful person.

>>727036427
Found the salty eurofag. Sorry, cuck, the US has better beer than all your countries combined. (Okay, maybe Belgian beers can compete on an individual level, but the quality and variety in the US are unmatched in a general sense).

>>727029407

Torpedo, anything less is a farce.

>>727037088
Don't forget the Dutch... Many small breweries with great beers. Texel has a few nice ones.

>>727032933
Grapefruit Sculpin is superior.
Haven't tried the habanero one yet,

>>727029407
By selling Vodka instead.

>>727037120
Oh make no mistake I'm taking notes in this thread. Adding James squires.......now

>>727037088
>As a scandinavian
>microbreweries
>craft beer

stop your sad bullshit pleb, you're american and poor at hiding it

>>727037170
One of the best breweries in the US. On a technical level, every bit as good as a brewery like Ommegang, but with creativity (without the weirdness) of Dogfishhead. Anyone in this thread that ends up in WI is obligated to drink as much as they can find. And bring some to me if you end up in OR.

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are you faggots even trying?
god damnt

>>727037437
It's okay. Maybe a 6.5/10

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I'm telling you guys. It's this.

>>727037236
Definitely! A lot of good Dutch breweries. And the rapid increase of microbreweries in Norway and Sweden is also fascinating. The prices are quite high, but there are so much great beer now. I actually think Norway and Sweden would be among the best beer countries in 10-15 years.

>>727037437
Eyyyy fellow SA dweller. It's good as a sessionable but nothing spectacular.

>>727037310
Great idea, the stow away IPA is fantastic and the 150 lashes is a tasty treat

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Best beer ever.

>>727037416
Don't threaten me with a good time. I got fam in Portland. Dogfishead is weird. Thank you for saying that shit. Finally!

>>727037456
Pretty plain east coast fag, the only thing it has going for it is its association with AVGN at this point.

>>727037662
Very nice indeed, tried the swindler? or stow away?

>>727037733
Not yet.

why do i even hang out with you retardeds?
terrible taste in beer
every one of you
fags

>>727037319
You dont think we have microbreweries in Scandinavia? If so, you sure dont know anything about european beer industry. The density of microbreweries in Norway is among the highest in the world, i think there are a lot of good beer from there. But so far, the Amercians are all together definitely among the best beer countries.

>>727037729
>AVGN
what the fuck kinda of faggot shit is that?

>>727037768
Then post what you like. Ill drink it too. Fag.

>>727037834
Its just because we take the best of everything. Trust that the wise among us know where the recipe came from

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>>727037838
>AVGN is now oldfag tier

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>>727029407

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>>727037851
try a real mans beer faggot

>>727038064
Newfag. There. That help?

>>727029407

>Sierra Nevada

Basic as fuck.

Founders, friendo.

>>727038064
nigga you don't know shit about oldfag anything

>>727038258
Ok faggot. Thanks for the fucking recommendation. You trap loving scumbag. I'll go pick up a cool sixer for 2.99

>>727037456
good as a cheap light beer. i prefer it over bud light. nothing special though.

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>>727038344
Yeah I guess 2011 still makes me a newfag doesn't it?

>>727038677
Did you really just bother to rate rolling rock?

>>727038292
No, rolling rock is a pretty cheap beer that was the point of the statement. Not bad for a cheep beer, however.

>>727038738
not all cheap beer is equal

>>727037613
I'm on it. For now I'm going to finish these torpedoes

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>>727038494

>>727029407
By being other beers.

>>727038805
Neither are cheap women. But let's be honest. If you're drinking cheap beer, or fucking cheap women, you're doing it just to get fucked.

>>727038842
Dude yes.. ipa all the way

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>>727039009
>fucking the whore who tastes like cheap cigarettes and regret is somehow the same as fucking the whore who at least puts on cheap perfume and puts a piece of fruity gum in her mouth

wew

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>>727029407
jus got a case of this.. must say not my favorite. the regular Sierra Nevada IPA is pretty good
hop hunter has an ibu of 60 which is the same as one of my favorites but it's got a "stick to your tongue" kinda taste n the hop oil makes it seem much more bitter than a normal 60ibu

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>>727038701
>caring about being an oldfag.

>>727039129
Point is both them bitches is a 2/10

>>727039129

kek

>>727037834
Yeah but no european says "craft beer" or fucking "microbreweries" you fucking idiot

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>>727039155
this stuff is basically Jesus' tears
if you get a chance try it, you'll thank me for it

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Tasty as fok

To whoever posted pliny the elder how the fuck am I meant to get my hands on that?, can't compete if it's impossible to get.

>>727039429
Stellafags can all get fucked. This shit is way better

>>727038701
yeah i've been here since 2007 so suck my ass you newfag piece of shit

ps lurk more

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export yourself faggots

>>727039478
Sorry. I live near by. They raffle that shit off. A bunch of us get together and all put in tickets and share of if we winrar

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My favorite IPA atm. Tropicalia is a close second.

>>727039478
Also pliny the Elder is way easier to get than pliny the younger.

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>>727039344
this one's nor bad either, its prolly my third favorite right now. but I also live in pa bout 15-20 miles from the troegs brewery/restaurant so it's a pretty common brew around here

>>727029407
by not being garbage

Heineken is fine for me.

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>>727039709
ayyyy, I was just gonna post pic related. currently drinking it, it's pretty decent.

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if cum tasted like this id turn gay any day

>>727039866
Checked. And you'd turn gay anyway.

>>727039966
dubs speak the truth

>>727039995
looks like a faggot fellas

>>727039831
Hell yeah i need to try that one.

>>727039866
never had it, I typically drink local since I'm a GA fag. It looks fking delicious though.

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obviously there are a bunch of ausfags in this thread so what do you think of Pirate life beers ? pic related as well as the pale ale are both world class warm-weather beers.

>>727039315
That is exactly what we are saying in Norway.. What do "europeans" say then? If you are a brit, you might call it something else of course..

>>727036912
Ok then Mr beer... does a brew not change flavor And lose character when brewed in large quantities? If so, you're the first brew master to tell me that the quality remains through mass production. I drank it before the change and now. All I was saying is that it's become much more of a corporate operation up there.

>>727039315
What do you call it in Europe?

IPAs are delicious, but they are all almost identical - most are indistinguishable and the rest insignificantly so. I don't understand how there are thousands of different names for the same fucking beer and millions of hipster douches who act like they're connoisseurs enjoying some IPAs and not others.

>>727040575
you obviously have never had an ipa... ok maybe just one... because the second one you cracked you woulda noticed a difference. the most annoying part of ipas is trial and error finding the ones that actually taste good to you. I've sampled dozens of ipa's yet am only partial to a handful of em. literally have only found 4 or 5 that I could actually drink like a normal/casual drink

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>>727037662

Die in a fire

>>727040857
I just recently discovered I prefer ipa's with an ibu of about 60, but this last one I got was pungent and lingering for a beer with just 60ibu .. stuff tasted like 70 or higher

>>727040283
high tier. coughing up $90 a carton hurts though

>>727040857
So true, i tried one once which tasted like caramel...

>>727041028
Red label is better

>>727040575
I'm nearly in the same boat. I think because IPAs are all generally delicious everyone wants to drink it we all develop a finer taste for it. Just like music genres. You may like metal in general but you start listening more and realize that you're into like thrash or speed metal. And from there you get into favorite bands favorite albums... etc. It's just a rabbit hole and since money is involved everyone and their mom has a micro brewery with an "amazing, local, hop-fuled, craft IPA"

>>727041028
boring beer

>>727029706
True. Sierra Nevada has some good shit though. As long as it doesn't have broken glass in the bottle that is

>>727041162

Depends on the weather

>>727029703
My fuckin' nigger!

>>727040342
It can, but it does not by necessity. There are some general shifts in focus at different quantities of output. A pilot setup allows for creativity and experimentation. Going from a 2bbl setup to a 50 bbl setup makes it worthwhile to save a bit on fine-tuning and efficiency. But anything past that, up to macro brewing and a conscious decision to reduce quality to make a buck... it's all pretty much the same. There's scaling up, and there's mass production and mechanization.

>>727041250
This is probably the most solid statement about the current state of beer.

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>>727041250
> metal
> thrash
> speed metal

....... what a fucking faggot

>>727035927
kek enjoy your Bud Light, boss

>>727041586
Perhaps I was accusing them of trying to make a buck? I taste a difference. JS

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>>727041678
oh... not only do I like Britney Spears... but Christina Aguilera is pretty great too, and Mandy Moores not bad either.....

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shit tier whisky is better than tihs

>>727040283
Pirate Life IIPA is Australia's best beer

>>727041707
Honestly, I think Sierra Nevada was a great craft brewer for the time. In the 80s and 90s, there was little competition. They've stayed pretty true to their roots, and expanded in a way that maintained their standards (I've seen their facilities before and after they went national, and their process did not change to macro brewing).

The main difference, and what you are probably noticing, is that there is a ton of competition now. There are 923451243 pale ales out there in the US, and many of them are better. So the one-time king of pale ales in the US is now run-of-the-mill. People expect more out of a craft beer, and most of their beers just don't hold up.

FYI, the following are all the same, over the last 25 years for Sierra Nevada PA:
>ABV
>OG & FG
>grain bill
>hop bill & IBUs
>source: I have a bottle from the early 90s sitting on my shelf, and the internet.

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>>727029407
IPA's are too hoppy for me.

been poor lately and drinking pic related

>>727029407
IPAs fucking suck, they taste like shit grass.

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>>727042058
bottom shelf bourbon.... goes down easy tho, and almost reminiscent of ol grandad

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>>727042222
inb4 underage b&

>>727042058
Whisky from snow Mexico is all shit-tier. So that's the shit of the shit.

I've only had 1 beer (straight edge faggot, I know) and it was not good. Is it truly something that you get over, because it was fucking horrible. It was an IPA, if you were wondering.

>>727042128
At first I thought maybe you were talking out your ass . Now I see you're riding Sierra Nevada dick. I get that they upscaled. Like you I've seen it. I went to Chico in the 90s. I may have clouded nostalgia of those days of their brews and also differing opinion of what is a craft beer. To me, they've graduated into the world of this new beer market and will soon be Sam Adams Jr.

>>727042418
agreed
>>727042058
> blended

>>727042487
>Now I see you're riding Sierra Nevada dick.
Except I repeatedly say they are average. And if there had been half the options in the 1980s as there are now, Sierra Nevada would never have been considered to be a great brewery.

>differing opinion of what is a craft beer
Craft beer has a specific definition. Your opinion on what it is is irrelevant.

>To me, they've graduated into the world of this new beer market and will soon be Sam Adams Jr.
They are basically two sides of the same thing, and have been all along. They are/were generally palatable craft beers (Boston Beer Co. now falls outside of the craft beer definition) that by today's standards are mid-range at best. They are generally responsible for the revival of craft beer, and due to their timing, they became hugely popular. If Sierra Nevada keeps growing, they may let their process change and the quality fall to keep up with demand. If they do that, they become a macrobrewer.

To reiterate:
>I think SN is an average brewery
>I never buy SN PA because there are hundreds of better PAs available to me
>SN is a historically important brewery
>SN has not seen any significant change in their operations or quality over decades
>there are just much better brewers out there now.

>>727036123
Coriander? You can go fuck your own mother.

>>727039965
Ken Oath, cunt.

>>727043190
>never had a witbier
>not that shock top is in any way an authentic witbier
Belgians do some weird shit with their beer. But it's god-tier a lot of the time.

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Omnipollos best Stout