Why are communists so disgusting?

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>>726755449
because the bedrock of the ideology was made due to the fact that some people are just clean fucking lazy. Capitalism sure isnt perfect, but at least whatever you work for = you get.

so to answer your question OP, id have to guess its because every person who thinks communism is a striving or working economical system is lazy and boring and wants to do nothing with their lives and have people pay and work for them to do nothing.

Let's see: water systems, sewage systems, resevoirs (think manmade lakes), police, fire departments, public libraries, roads, highways, stop lights, military, coast guard, food safety, and school systems.

Yep, socialism bad. hurr durr

Look on the bright side, you can always move to the rightwing libertarian utopias of India and sub-saharan Africa.

>>726755906
>Let's see: water systems

Fuk it I'm done

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>>726755906
Where's this communist utopia you speak of? Cuba is a piece of shit. Venezuela is a piece of shit. The USSR wasn't as much as a piece of shit because it was applied onto a country that WASNT running on communism/socialism for the majority of it's lifespan.

please explain???

>>726755906
Fucking this

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>>726755718
>whatever you work for = you get

How does stealing the profits of someone else's labor mean you worked for them?

>>726755906
>>726756403
>When govt controls education

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FUCK ALL NIGGER COMMIES

>>726756469
How is it stealing their labor when you place all legal and financial responsibility upon yourself for their sake? Back to class Nancy.

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>>726756469
I meant that for communism. Here, ill give an example through greentext.

>be me
>working class man
>works for a general store, like Lowes or Walmart.
>I put in all my work that I need to/feel needs to be done.
>Tyrone doesn't want to work.
>Sits in the break room all day.
>Im working and doing my part while mr nigger tyrone over here is being a lazy fuck and im pretty much carrying this faggot's paycheck

That whole ideology is fucked. When has communism ran and actually survived for longer than a century?
>muh ussr
>muh cuba
>muh means of production
individualism is better than pure efficiency, as far as ideology goes. If you've been on this planet for longer than 18 years, and you still think communism is a good idea, I think you might need to take yourself out of the gene pool.

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>>726757410
>more income in general = more taxes

checkmate communists

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>>726757285

Under capitalism:
>a factory worker busts his ass and increases his output by 15% for the day
>he makes the same hourly wage as he did yesterday while his employer benefits from the 15% increase in his production

Under a pro work system:
>a factory worker busts his ass and increases his output by 15% for the day
>he makes 15% more money because he is his own boss and he doesn't have an employer to steal that 15% away from him

Capitalism incentivizes parasitism while a worker-owned model incentivizes hard work

>>726755449
>bernie sanders is a communist

my fucking sides mate

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>>726756354
The problems with the USSR, Cuba, and Venezuela don't and didn't involve communism. They have centrally planned economies, but all three have a privileged class of elite party members that suck most of the money in the country away for themselves while the rest of their citizens are left behind in poverty and not taken care of. And the only way to keep people under control after making them suffer extreme wealth inequality is to create an authoritarian police state to keep everyone in line.

Socialist countries that actually have democratic systems and let unions have a strong say tend not to get raped by the CIA and collapse because of their shitty economies.

>>726755449
It's all the same shit for ordinary people.
In commie countries,the politicians,their relatives and high-ranking military officers have all the wealth and power.
In capitalist countries it's the bankers and corporations.

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ಠ _ ಠ

>>726756469
> working day
> Under Cockmunism the day FREELY determined by the worker
the KEK is so big that I near chuckle

>>726755906
>Implying the market cant provide those services.

>implying that we need big government to accomplish this.

Kys commie

>>726755906
>Flint still doeenf have clean water

>>726757285

This, ladies and gentleman, is the classic "Fuck you I got mine" mentality at work, combined with good ol' fashioned racism. Cheap, shitty arguments for an ultimately broken model.

Fuck capitalism. It's a cancer on this planet and it kills more and more every day.

>>726755449

Why do uneducated plebs constantly revert to ad hominem rather than have actual discussions?

>>726758824
seconded

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>>726758306

>>726758319

But those are not ideal communist states run by the people for the people. If you're seriously going to attack communism, you shouldn't bring up the examples of shitty, selfish implementations to attack the whole model

>>726755718

By that logic Roads, Libraries, public works utilities and hospitals exist because "people are just clean fucking lazy".

Sometimes socializing an institution is actually the best way to go about it. Can you imagine if comcast owned the highways. That would be a NIGHTMARE...

>>726758292
You need to fuck off cunt

>>726759067

Well he's an idiot obviously, but that being said communism can't work on a state level. It inevitably leads to corruption, because the ideology doesn't take into account human nature.

The reason capitalism is more successful is because it acknowledges how shitty people are and uses that greed and self interest as fuel.

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>>726758306
so what you're saying is it will never work anywhere in the world?

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>>726758571
If people had to pay a subscription or a toll for every road they use, and purchase coverage from private police, private military, private fire department, private waste disposal etc, you would see support for capitalism bottom out pretty fast.

Capitalism is only plausible because socialism already mitigates the worst parts of capitalism. If people had to experience full free market capitalism it would be a disaster.

>>726755449

Socialism and Communism work in theory, in practice people are shitty and take advantage of others. See every country that tried either, they're all failed or failing states

>>726759384

What are taxes?

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>>726759487
Socialism seems to be working pretty well for
Norway
Iceland
Demmark
Finland
The Netherlands

>>726757534
what does have to with the arguement presented. Also your claim is simply wrong. In most modern tax systems your taxrate actually declines when your income reaches a certain point.

>>726759586

The government is looking to make a profit by providing those services. Private businesses would be.

If that needs to be explained to you then you might be in over your head here.

>>726758320

eh, china was actually worse BEFORE Mao took over. His problem was he went too far. He learned nothing of his mistakes and he was too much of a fucking fascist.

>>726759893
The government isn't looking to make a profit*

>>726755449
Because most of them are upper-class cunts who want to gain political influence by preaching bullshit.

>>726759684
That happiness study was literally the stupidest piece of trash ever. I don't remember exactly the way it was measured, but it included bullshit like "quality of schools" and "oil prices" - Its subversive racist bullshit. Everyone knows the happiest people are in Rwanda.

>>726759354

there's just no point. Capitalism mixed with socialist institutions is ideal. Communists needs too much centralized power to enact, and human nature shows us again and again that that power corrupts absolutely.

>>726759893
If private business can do a better job for less who cares if they make a profit.

Get good commie

>>726759384

>what is education
>what in management
>what is vision
>what is a self starter
>what is financial risk
>what is reward for risk

>>726760366
>what is inheriting the company from your granddaddy even though you have little to no knowledge on the business in general

>>726760346

They can't do a better job as evidenced by the fact that the richest country in the world can't get its citizens healthcare through private businesses while much poorer countries can do it with socialized systems.

The free market failed.

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>>726760679
And those countries provide socialized healthcare at a cheaper cost per person than the privatized healthcare of the US.

Pretty much destroys the whole "private is always better than public" argument.

>>726760679
>richest country

Why is it the richest country in the world again?

Say it with me: C A P I T A L I S M

>>726755449
I think you mean current age commies, the russians were pretty fucking rad and not the bunch of libtards you see around these days

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>mfw capitalism has no answer for the mass automation about to put millions out of work
>mfw capitalism has no way to prepare and work in a post-scarcity society
>mfw all the sign Marx talked about in Late Stage Capitalism are coming to fruition and the great capitalist powers cannot grow their economies at any significant rate without massive government spending even with interest rates at record lows
>mfw the tech bubble is about to burst, drowning all the Rand worshipping pricks in a sea of debt of their own making
>mfw bootlicking libertarians are still defending their bosses in the vain hope they will one day achieve their wealth
>mfw all men will die and only on their deathbed do they see the errors of their life wasted on vain material pursuits

Communism is inevitable boys

>>726755449
Because attractive people tend to do better in life and embrace capitalism.

>>726760189
top kek

I hate it when I get things for free. Society always wanting me to share, FUCK THAT! damn govern-mints trying to take my gum. I work 8 hours a day a a syrup factory and yet I never get any sweet justice. Sometimes I race my neighbor to the mailbox just to get some competition going. Damn Pakis trying to bomb my church. Do you even use oregano you foreign monkeys? Why don't I ever win on scratch its? One time a dude with a mohawk asked me for bus fare and I said LIFE ISNT FAIR! I'm not a robot.

>>726755906
>India and sub-saharan Africa
Pretty sure those places suck because the average IQ is like 80 and all the smart people leave ASAP.

>>726761128
A small rich cabal of people in a large county is not the "richest country".

But go ahead and keep believing your trickle-down economics will work. Protip: it hasn't, ever.

>>726761128
>I don't have a counter argument so I'll try to change the subject and hope no one notices

Noted.

And to answer your question:
>Why is it the richest country in the world
Having an abundance of natural resources, high population, and being the only large modern country that wasn't flattened by WWII had something to do with it.

>>726761015
>private is always better than public
it's about quality
public is ok for some emergencies,but public hospitals can't compare to private clinics

I have free healthcare,but it's absolute shit.

>>726760028
Read the dictators handbook dude.

The government is absolutely a for-profit entity.
The leader needs to use the taxes to reward the members of the winning coalition.

This is why in places like the us, where we have the electoral college, which makes rural votes worth more than urban ones, we have shit like farm subsidies.

all government is taxing the entire population, and directing those goods to benefit the minority that actually keeps you empowered.

In democracies, we can just wheelbarrow cash to a campaign donors house, but we can make a super complex taxcode that specifically includes loopholes.

government is the worst kind of for profit organization. The customer pays, wether they want the product or not.

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>>726761748
I never consented to live in a capitalist oligarchy where some 60 people control 50% of the world's resources. Swing and a miss.

Also, see >>726757410

>>726761748
fucking capitalist idiot!

This doesn't agree with what I believe, so it's obviously wrong.

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>>726761715

Capitalism won WWII if you didn't notice or just suck at history.

>In before Russia

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I DISAG-REEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

You know if you go into business for yourself, you keep 100% of the profits?

>>726762091
see
>>726762473

>>726762473
You know if you're your only employee that would be true. But then taxes...And upkeep...And hot pockets...

>>726762691
So when you work for yourself its "muh taxes and muh upkeep"

But when you work for an employer... it's "Hey where's the rest! you're keeping it for yourself you greedy pig! there's not such thing as infrastructure and taxes!"

top kek

>>726757972
wrong. the government owns the factory and everyone gets paid the same regardless. There is no merit under a socialist/communist system. To each according to his needs, dumbfuck.

Under a capitalist system, there is competition. The worker who busts ass becomes a more valuable commodity to the company and the company is willing to pay more to keep such a worker, since that worker could easily go elsewhere and get the highest paying offer for his work.

You can't have it both ways. If you acknowledge that incentive is the basic motivator and pay should correspond to merit, then you have already committed to capitalist principles.

check and checkmate, cummylips.

>>726762473
>you keep 100% of the profits

Right, best case scenario you hire some employees and start exploiting their labor and keeping the profits for yourself. Just the way Jesus intended.

>>726759384
Okay faggots listen up. I'm a machinist i make shit for other faggots at some big company ran by Jews. I also run my own business where i make my own shit on my own machines. Oddly enough it turns out the business end of things is real work too. If the jews added no value I'd quit my job and just make my side business the full time thing. Turns out there are benefits to business

>>726762926
>being exploited

uh... they should fucking quit. That sounds like a shitty job.

>>726763009
WRONG! you aren't saying things I agree with so you're obviously WRONG!

>>726755449
>Bernie sanders: communist.

would it make you pause for even one second, if I told you that for the rest of the world, Clinton is considered to be right-wing, and Sanders is centre-right? Not even centre, yet alone being left-wing.

The republicans currently in power are further to the right than the neo-nazis and fascist fringe extremist parties are in most other countries.

the US' political spectrum is so far skewed out of place, that you think sanders is a communist? You wouldn't know what a Communist was if it marched jackbooted straight out of the Kremlin in 1952.

>>726763122
disagree*

>>726763122
Stop being 12

>>726763122
Samefag

>>726763313
Samefag

I can't help but notice that most people keep defending their point of view without giving an inch, maybe if people were a little more open minded and open to a degree of change, however small it might actually end up with a really positive outcome...

communists like to criticize capitalism all day but fail to make a compelling argument for why their system is any better.

>>726763346
Samefag

>>726763196
Is that the rest of the world where putin advocates the beating of faggots, or the rest of the world where men stone women to death for trying to attend school?

Oh wait now, the part of the country where men senslessly rape every woman they can and spread aids to 90% of the population... Yeah, that's the part right?

>>726763375
Samefag

>>726763009

STOP HURTING MY FEELINGS WITH LOGIC

>>726763412
Samefag

>>726763439
Why cant you see the worthless jews are being handed money by sheeple

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>>726763196
fascists are socialists, dumbcunt. The difference between national socialism and communism is that the latter is global socialism. It's two different flavors of socialism.

Political conservatives (aka, classic liberals) reject ALL forms of socialism, since all forms end in genocide, despair, and economic catastrophe.

But, please, keep up the hyperbolic language and defang yourself for the rest of us.

>>726763449
Samefag

>>726763593
Samefag

>>726763696
samefag

>>726763439
Samefag

>>726763696
Samefag

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WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW!!

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>>726762884

Under a capitalist system an employer steals the profits of his employees' labor. That's how he makes a profit.

Any surplus created by the worker is kept by the employer and thus hard work is de-incentivized. If you believe in the value of hard work you've committed to the principles of socialism.

>>726763593

Very interesting. The Nazi's were leftists!

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>>726763593
>fascists are socialists
Read a fucking book you moron, fascists (google Mussolini) and Hitler (google socialism) are almost polar fucking opposites.
Even for /b/ this is some fucked up retarded shit.

>>726763593
Truth.

Advocates for Socialism/Communism reject every single record of history.

We live like kings in America. Everyone parrots "This rich get richer and the poor get poorer"

Except the quality of life is vastly increasing. Some of poorest in america can afford a microwave. Andrew Carnegie would lose his fucking mind if you showed him one. And iPhones. Many a poor bitch I've seen with an iPhone, can you imagine what JP Morgan would say if he saw a fucking iPhone?

And this isn't just Future vs History. Go to Europe... see "democratic socialism" at work. Your water doesn't come with ice. You have to ask for it, and they bring a cup for everyone to share. Take a piss in a bathroom? That'll be 2 euros please. They charge you to take a piss in that country.

Yeah, I'm sorry I'll stick with my moon landing, and capitalism thank you very much.

>>726761748

so go eke out your libertarian existence away from our public roads, infrastructure, internet, electricity, fire and police department -- then you don't have to pay taxes.

sayonara, Ted Kaczynski

>>726763763
Smaefag

>>726763856
By some weird alchemy called "property rights" and it's their fucking land the gold is on.

It's no different that the different that you're right to put a house on your property.

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>>726758320
Yeah i remember all the "kill the birds!" Eco disaster moments pre Mao.

Also lol at at the commie pulling a "not true communism!" cliche.

>>726764045
Samefag

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>>726763958
Europe is a country now?
Geography, do you speak it?

>>726761909
Maybe if the government would invest in healthcare, instead of letting the market run it's course, public hospitals wouldn't be shit. The western European hospitals are pretty damn good.

>>726764106
>It's no different that the different that you're right to put a house on your property.
Is English your 7th language dickhead?

>>726764004
I've driven on toll roads. They're nicer and more pleasant to drive on. If government provides the internet, why do I pay my ISP? if government provides electricity why do I pay the power company?
> not realizing most fire departments are volunteer, and even the government funded ones send bills for putting out fires

>>726763958

you tell them chad. now back to the basement

>>726763856

This meme makes absolutely no fucking sense. The business owner took all kinds of risk and did all kinds of work along the way this this doesn't account for. Honestly, one of the most retarded things I've read.

>>726764286

holy hayzeus you're a dumb fuck

>>726763856

Should the mine owner pay his employees if the mine turns out to be a bust?

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>>726764116
Every time someone points out the failures of capitalism the immediate response is

>b-b-but that's not REAL capitalism!!!111
>muh regulations are keeping the free markit from doing its magic to solve all the world's problems!!!1!

every time

>>726764152
I was charged euros to piss in France, which is a country in europe.

But hey, if making degrading disabled people by trying to highlight technicalities instead of actual flawed logic is your thing, then feel free to keep at it

>>726764240
>can't refute argument
>correct typing

I'm so smart!

>>726764461

>"the absurd contradictions of capitalism"
>points out a bunch of issues that have little to nothing to do with capitalism

Jesus, this is dumb.

>>726763856
I'm gonna go to your house and steal your little hipster macbook...

because hey! why is it your property just cause you said so? I want it, so it should become mine. because I want it, and if you don't give me your shit, you're oppressing me.

>>726764461
what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this board is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul!

>>726764440
Well yeah...Even if a business fails employees are entitled to wages for work completed unless otherwise outlined in a contract. Point being I doubt miners who work for a company choose where to mine.

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>>726764675
>poverty has nothing to do with capitalism
>stagnant wages have nothing to do with capitalism
>money corrupting politics has nothing to do with capitalism
>runaway spending on private military contracts has nothing to do with capitalism

Arpanet, DARPA which inter alia created TCP/IP and funded Stanford Research Institute, Mosaic created at the U of Illinois all products of socialism

>>726762091
go live in cuba then, if you hate crappytalism

>>726765037
what does the "racist" criminal justice system have to do with capitalism?

>>726765037
Every single one of those things predates capitalism. Obviously. War profiteering goes back to ancient Greece.

So... that's a picture of you, huh?

>>726765255
I mean, because how many people have you ever seen scheming for years saying "If I could just sneak into poland, then I'd be okay"

Naw, people risk their lives coming to america for a reason.

>>726765440
don't feed this troll. He's intellectully incoherent and his only move is degrading the differently abled.

>>726764461
correct heading
>The Absurd Contradictions of Big Government

It may have a way still to go towards freedom, but not away from it as communists advocate. capitalism, for all practical purposes within a democracy, even a reasonably big government democracy, is a hell of a lot better than the communist shit holes around the world.

Socialism is just nihilism. It's rooted in the belief that, in the end, humans need to be forced to "behave", for society.

So you can go ahead and believe that, but don't suggest it's somehow a "humanist" ideology, in keeping with the rest of the left's alleged humanist aims.

>>726765037
>>poverty has nothing to do with capitalism
>stagnant wages have nothing to do with capitalism
>money corrupting politics has nothing to do with capitalism
>runaway spending on private military contracts has nothing to do with capitalism

No, it doesn't.

Every ancom society fell apart in under 3 years.

Just a reminder that socialism is coming folks, whether you like it or not

>>726765716
Of course they do. These things are affected by profiteering.

>>726765716
not uniquely at least

>>726756548
>controls

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>>726765842

>>726765716
an retard

>>726765842

Only if we can't make it off planet.

And then life on Earth will become a living hell anyways... but maybe social conditioning will get us to feel otherwise, see Brave New World.

>>726765963
Because capital is failing worldwide and all the smart people who know things say that the solution is to socialize the means of production but do so in a democratic format

>>726765503
It's very true that people risk their lives coming to America. That being said you know as well as I do that once they are here, it's not so simple. Which honestly I'm ok with. I had a history professor from New Zealand, it took him 10 years to get his residency visa. But he did it. Now he can do everything we can. If time is an issue to people I would consider reassessing my current situation.

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>>726765716

For the past 40 years we've been told that capitalism is great because "a rising tide lifts all boats" and the wealth would trickle down to everyone else.

Now that we've seen corporate profits and incomes for the rich skyrocket while wages for working people have flatlined, you sit there with a straight face and expect to be taken seriously when you say it has nothing to do with capitalism.

Indoctrination in action, folks.

>>726755449
because when everybody gets the same thing, there is no reason to try to be better.

>>726766147
name 10 people that have stated they believe in trickle down theory. i'll wait.

>>726765963
In a word: Automation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEkT14RBzDI

It doesn't matter whether you love capitalism or hate it. Automation is going to make it an nonviable economic model.

>>726766147
"trickle down economics" and capitalism have nothing to do with each other.

I mean, capitalism => "Don't redistribute wealth, let the market decide"
'trickle down' => give the money to rich people, it will "trickle down"

What sort of idiot looks at that and says "Oh yeah, those are the same thing."

>>726766275
George Bush cut taxes for the wealthy because he said it would create jobs. Trump's budget proposes cutting taxes for the same reason. Many republicans believe this.

>>726766348
enjoy that ignorance. I hear it is bliss

>>726766469
What line of work are you in? How easily do you think a robot could automate it?

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>>726766275

Trickle down theory is how Americans were sold on the scam that is right wing economics.

Without that meme, Americans would never have agreed to slashing taxes for the riches corporations and gutting regulations.

>>726766348
These goes against all the histories of all the worlds economies. Increased automation always increases quality of life across the board.

"But anon, what will you do when robots take all the jobs?"

uh... break out the margarita machine? Humans don't need to work anymore, so I'm gonna party.

Stop being a luddite.

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>>726766421

>when capitalism fails is isn't real capitalism

>>726755449
They're just as bad as fascists.

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KEK will endure

>>726766739
Except I showed you how it wasn't capitalism in principle. and you haven't refuted my core argument, so you're basically just covering your ears going "LALALALA"

>>726766743
And atlas was still shrugging.

>>726766639

>8 minute video
>posted 4 minutes ago

You didn't even watch it, you had a knee jerk ideological reaction.

Trickle down economics hinges on the belief that allowing large business owners to have more money will mean they will invest it back into their company. This of course is not true.

>>726766739

But "trickle down economics" isn't capitalism at all. They are completely unrelated.

>>726766875
No, I didn't watch that video. I've watched several other videos, and read books even. and more importantly... I've taken a peek at history... you know the ones where automation increases quality of life, even for the poorest among us?

>>726766428
8 to go faggot

>>726755449
100 million dead might make them disgusting

>>726767056
Automation can make life easier for everyone. If your country has an infrastructure that can support it. Also in all seriousness who do you think will maintain the robots? Other robots? I'm just curious because full automation seems kind of like a paradox.

Communism only will work when there will be full globalization. Otherwise it's stupid as fuck

why is every socialist beta af?

>>726766595
You show up in every thread proclaiming your ignorance of economics. Give it a rest. We got it. You haven't a clue.

>>726761748
Taxes is consented, a government is a necessity. An over reaching government is bad, which is the case in communism ya commie scum.

>>726767484
Because they are the most aggressive of all fish and need to be separated so they don't kill each other.

why do communists want muslims in their society? i thought one of the principles of communism was to destroy hierarchies, therefore religion.

>>726767728

This is a real fucking mystery.

>>726767728
I don't understand. Are you implying that communists are not trying to destroy Muslims?

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>>726767525

not an argument, cuck

>>726760601
Dumbass.

>Only people's granddaddy are successful and so rich people are actually idiots with money

>Granddaddy could either 1. Close business or 2. Pass it on.

Dumbass.

if 30s catalonia spain was such a great utopia, why haven't they attempted to bring back that society today?

>>726768054
No it isn't. They're both anti semites

>>726768082
look up libertarian socialist rants to see what i mean.

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>>726755449
Because western communists are just unwashed miscreants who want a system that gives them other people's wealth, since they have none of their own and few prospects to increase it, given a lack of drive and dependency on their parents, minimum wage job and government handouts.

>>726768082
they see muslims as the oppressed proletariat, culturally speaking.

>>726768194

Probably because they currently have right wing government that is controlled by globalist corporations Inditex and Repsol. Might have something to do with it.

>>726768112
Institute for Policy studies was/is a KGB/FSB front

>>726768474
that didn't stop them from violent revolution before.

>>726768473
Oppressed by their religion

>>726755449
Because they're not?

>>726768689
oppressed by white people

>>726768473
Ok I get it now.

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>>726768364
>want a system that gives them other people's wealth

In other words, capitalism?

>>726765503
>the US exploits foreign workers more than domestic workers
that doesn't mean that we're doing everything right.

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>>726755449
>Why are communists so disgusting
I assume you think the ideology is disgusting because you've never really encountered it without a thick lens of propaganda. In the US and Europe it is heavily associated with the USSR, which was a god awful country and more or less completely failed to follow the processes set out by Marx after 1930 or so.
I'd assume you think communists are disgusting because you've most frequently interacted with American "Communists" who are really just degenerate counter-revolutionary liberal scum.

>>726768765
Lol, the irony of that picture is that it shows the common traits shared by communism and capitalism both.

Faggot.

>>726768748
Ain't too many cathedrals in Saudia Arabia

>>726768929
What, how?

>>726768879
wow. what a disingenuous image.

>>726766551
automation lowers prices and frees up time to pursue other things. Those who see the opportunities automation brings will be the wealthy of tomorrow.
books used to be rare and only for the rich until we automated their production. This caused a huge increase in demand for writers.
Buttons used to be rare and only for the rich until we figured out how to automate their production. This (combined with automated looms, and sewing machines) cause a spike in the demand for fashion design, tailors, and even the desire to change our shirts every day

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>>726769159
That's a zesty opinion, comrade.

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>commie hippies get all ass blasted ITT
>capitalism allows for upwards mobility
>communism is equally shit for all until they die
What a bunch of cucks. Also a reminder that all of the revolutionaries that install communist dictatorships are dragged out back and shot after they've outlived their usefulness to the state. This has happened every fucking time from Russia to China to North Korea.

Communism means that everyone shares in each other's misery. Capitalism however will give you the chance to unfuck your life if you work hard enough. If you don't own your own business, then you're doing it wrong and you have shit for brains.

>>726768759
No you don't. The Nazis were acceptable because they hated jews and tolerated religion. The communists back in the day hated Jews but didn't tolerate religion.The Communist saw the light of their leftist Nazi brethern.

>>726769295
>socialism has never worked

Seems to be working pretty well for Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Finland, and the Netherlands.

>>726769424
those aren't socialist countries socrates.

>>726769377
>failing this hard at trolling

>>726769424
what is welfare state? - the post

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>>726769377
>being this much of a classcuck

>>726769424
Read the meme.

But as a side point, the Scandinavian countries only enjoy their relative prosperity at the expense of the exploited labor value of the third world. They're capitalist, and they will burn with the rest.

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There is one reason if communists are bad. It's the moment then thay don't help workers

>>726761748
>Roads
>Border protection
>Law and Order / police/judges
>Industry overwatch

how does it run? Magical fairy dust i guess

>>726769424
Have you seen what's happened recently? They've run out of other people's money. All those Muslims they've imported go right on the welfare rolls. Unsustainable.

>>726769394
Hahaha. Nazis were never acceptable. They're commie scum too, except with hardcore racism in the mix. Nazis were socialists and all that stuff. Man, why do you Nazis try to associate yourselves with any conservative movement. You make us look bad. You guys are like the right wing's retarded cousin.

>>726769394
So I'm right in assuming communists and Muslims are not on the same side?

>>726769606
>Read the meme.
that meme essentially explains why socialism cannot function. you're just asking to get crushed by outsiders.

>>726769509

>socialized healthcare, socialized housing, socialized education, high taxes, strong protections for workers
>but it isn't socialism
>because if it was I would have to admit my ideology is wrong

When socialism works it isn't socialism, when capitalism fails it isn't capitalism. You are hopelessly indoctrinated into a pseudo religious ideology.

>>726769885
Raising incoherence to a new level

>>726770019
a socialist country seizes all means of production
also see>>726769606

>>726769885
>private ownership of the means of production
>communists
That's not how it works. Communism doesn't mean "The Government owns everything! :DDD" it's a system of economics in which the workers own what they produce, as opposed to in a capitalist society where they only "own" their labor, not what their labor produces.

>>726770059
Oh sorry. I just zeroed in on the word "acceptable" and "Nazi". It doesn't belong in the same sentence.

>>726755449
Their ideological system is based on an entirely normative assessment of society and economics and has no basis in reality

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>>726769606
I don't think you'll mind sending me some pieces of your computer, would you? Link an email and send me your GPU through the mail. My computer is old.

Practice what you preach, fucker.

>>726770108
So in a system where the means of production are privatized but they are taxed at 95% and that money is distributed to the populace isn't socialism?

>>726769956
Try to find a communist outside US university. Only a state funded university can entertain that nonsense. In the real world they don't exist

>>726767579
>Tax is consented
>Even though if you stop paying you'll be put in prison
>If you resist arrest you'll be killed
>And you can't opt out except by abandoning all of your property, which the government doesn't even own anyway.
Really makes you think

They're disgusting to you because as a consevative narrow minded piece of garbage, you are entitled to your opinion.
Also you luv sucking on king biggot tiny D.

/thread

>>726766919
so we can tell you have been trained by the left...
"Trickle Down Economics" is neo-democrat keyword.
"Supply Side Economics" Was originally proposed by John F Kennedy. Reagan supported it, but most of the GOP was against him because is was a democrat plan.
Under "Supply Side Economics", the labor participation was the highest it had been in decades (and was far higher then it ever has been during the last 8 years)
15 million jobs were created (only about 5 million under Obama)
So you say it doesn't work, but it did work...

>>726770360
if there is private ownership, it isn't socialism.

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>>726757150

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>>726770355
That's not even remotely what I preach. I advocate for the replacement of a flawed system of economics with a superior one, I don't advocate everyone in the flawed system mailing other people computer parts. I don't think anyone advocates that. That's just... Inefficient.

>>726770360
ask any socialist on YT. Jason Unruhe, Libertarian Socialist Rants, BadMouse, Hbomberguy. they will all tell you those countries are not socialist. they are social democracies.

>>726770782
Booo.

Why they claim to defend the poor, but don't let those poor countries into their exclusive socialist club?

>>726766147
Economics class for you
>Corporations are products of governmental special treatment to businesses (bailouts, subsidies, responding to lobbies, special interest groups, and anyone who can buy out legislators)
>Free markets remove artificial barriers to entry, stimulating growth of business across all markets
>Decrease in taxes incentives spending
>Higher demand for products means higher demand for labor due to business expansion
>Higher demand for labor drives up wages

If you want to blame someone for stagnating wages, blame the government for flooding the market with currency backed by nothing, and spending money on programs paid for by "future productivity".

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>>726770753
>Capitalists award other Capitalists prizes for bad-mouthing Socialists
>Socialists are supposed to care
Lel, what?

>>726770782
>>726770544

So I guess we can start taxing corporations at 99% to pay for free healthcare and free college and anyone who complains about socialism doesn't have a leg to stand on then.

>>726770753
he doesn't mean there shouldn't be laws or public programs my dude

>>726771028
a guy who was wrong about literally everything said that? well then, that settles that.

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>>726755449
because you were raised on capitalist propaganda bullshit

>>726770763
>marits

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>>726770975
>"The nobel peace prize only matters when dumbasses like obama receive one for doing absolutely nothing, any other time it's bullshit"

How stupid are you exactly? Also, how many nobel peace prizes you got gathering dust on the shelf there, genius?

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>>726770956

>Pseudo-religious libertarian sermon for you

fixed

>>726771006
there's no helping this retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

>>726770763
exactly what they say every time

>>726770902
What about the Mexicans who build rafts out of trash to flee capitalism?

>>726766743
lol no, communism killed a lot more than fascism

>>726769606
>There is no property
>except for your body
>and your mind
>and the fact that you own the results of your actions
>And you replied to someone, showing that you acknowledge that the post they made was a product of their mind

Do you want me to send you an email about how the internet doesn't exist?

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>>726771113
>hurr guy was bad and wrong cuz I said so with no logical evidence of my dumbass claim

Sure, kid. I doubt you know a thing about him, your snap reaction is just character assassination when you can't say something's racist. Kek, pathetic really.

>>726755449
They kill whoever they feel is a threat to their sovereignty just like that lawyer who "fell" out of his window the other day while moving a cabinet.

>>726770902
What is oligarchy?
>What are exractive political and economic institutions?

>>726771260
>Private corporations have taken over the federal government who has a monopoly on the initiation of force, and the authority to tell >300 million what to do without argument
>So we need to remove this power to force them to compete based on merit and value from the consumer
You know, basic economics.

>>726771260
No liberals are arguing for giving over the government to corporate powers? What you currently is conservatives in power doing exactly that. Note that the democratic party isn't anywhere close to being fiscally liberal.

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>>726770763
>applies to thee
>not to me
Lmao, you fucking autistic hypocrite.

>>726771218
Obama is a perfect example of how stupid the Nobel Peace Prize is. He basically got it for putting a smiley face on american capitalism. Like I said before, it's capitalists giving awards to other capitalists for capitalist reasons. If it's not for a hard science, I do not care about the prize.

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>>726771260
Libertarians are spineless self-righteous whipping boys for the Republicans.

Their policies are never implemented because Republicans know they won't even vote for their own party because they're so terrified of Communists.

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>>726771269
Oh right, the "nordic model"s so much better

Kek, you're a literal fucking idiot

>American cancer patients, both men and women, have superior survival rates for all major cancers. For some specifics, per Verdecchia, the breast cancer mortality rate is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the US, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom; prostate cancer mortality rates are strikingly worse in the UK, Norway, and elsewhere than in the US; mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher than in the US. Removing “lead-time bias,” where simply detecting cancer earlier might falsely demonstrate longer survival, death rates from prostate and breast cancer from the early 1980’s to 2005 declined much faster in the US than in the 15 other OECD nations studied (Australia, Austria, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and UK). The inescapable conclusion from objective data is that US patients have superior outcomes from nearly all cancers

There isn't one thing better about the nordic model. especially the healthcare you faggots are always trying to tout as superior because it's "free." Crack a book open sometime, dipshit.

>>726771326
you know why they did that?

>>726771575
>Wow, people are voting for the government to take care of their problems! What a surprise!

>>726771552
>libertarians, not liberal
i know the libertard term is confusing

>>726771553
Lel, are you even listening to yourself?
That's not even remotely what anyone is saying.

>>726771594
i wasn't arguing whether or not it's a better system. i was showing you that you don't know what socialism means.

>>726755718
Why can't understand that the value of work isn't at all tied to how valuable it is to society. The disconnect between profitability and usefulness is why unchecked capitalism is such a problem.

>>726771594
correction American cancer rates for those that actually get treatment.
also don't know where your getting your information but you probably want to find a more reliable source.

>>726764106
>hard work & risk is rewarded! meritocracy!
>muh inherited property!

pick one, you fucking tool of the enslavers

>>726771869
Value is subjective, that's literally the motivation of all human interaction.
>I value that guy's pen more than my 2 dollars
>He values my 2 dollars more than his pen
>We exchange voluntarily
To insist that value is objective is to say that there's some arbiter that can identify the objective value of all things that exist. Who is the arbiter? Can I talk to him?

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>>726771916
>you probably want to find a more reliable source

Show me any other source that disputes the specific numbers in my post and tell me how my source is unreliable exactly. I'll wait. You can't. You're full of shit like every other nu-commie wannabe faggot. Facts don't just become not facts because some moron like you says so, get real clown.

>>726761748
Every time you benefit from living in a governed society, you consent. Every time you use public infrastructure you consent. You are completely free to live the life of a homeless person and be self sufficient in the woods but are too shit to survive it anyway.

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>>726757972
What about a flat rate pay system. I bet you don't even know what that is
What about starting your own busines and being your own boss
Communism sounds great but it really is down to the group that rules it. Under capitalism if you learn the game you can get closer to the ruling class. Under communism you can as well but it is a smaller opportunity. I was born and grew up under communism. And everywhere you looked all you could see is the population trying to make a living buying cheap stuff here and selling for more there. Or stealing things from work that were In ubundance at the work place, but you would never see out in the free market. So to end my observation every communist country will eventually burst at the seams with free trade or capitalism ,evolving in to full blown capitalism. And in a few hundred years we will see what capitalism evolves to. And let's hope its not a cycle of communism to capitalism over and over, but maybe some kind of mix of the two. We can only wait and see

>>726772183
seeing as you included none.
i rest my case

>>726772151
>I own the farm that I started
>When I die, I am voluntarily transferring my property to him to do with as he pleases
>If he works hard on the property, it will continue to succeed
>If not, it will fail and he will lose it.

The market is the best way to separate fools from their money. But moronic communists will insist to steal money from everyone else in society to subsidize a failure of a farmer's son. You're the one wanting to enslave people for the sake of others.

>>726758824
Lol it was only a matter of time before one of you pulled out the race card. He didn't say what race Tyrone was, you assumed he was black and need to check your privilege faggot

>>726759067
Name a good example

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>>726770956

Guide to the Libertarian religion:

Articles of faith
> gov't is the enemy and any action it takes it harmful and evil. Social Security, immigration control, and public education are abomination.
> immigration is always awesome in any number by any peoples because w/o gov't interference everyone will assimilate and become a super-productive member of society and vote for us Libertarians (they'd never commit crime or vote themselves jobs, money, and college seats)
> consumer safety regulations are abomination as in a free market a company will fail once a few thousand people are killed by its product
> workplace safety regulations are abomination as employees can tell their employers what safety precautions they want
> the only concern for anything is free markets. once that is in place, everything will magically take care of itself.
> that no society has ever been close to what we seek is proof of our superiority and the inevitability of a Libertarian society

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Why are socialists so disgusting?

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>>726772292
>per Verdecchia
>Verdecchia

>you cited none

Are you fucking for real stupid? You just made a claim based off of nothing at all. How can you say it's unreliable if you're too fucking stupid to see the author's name and reference it to the medical journal it was published in? Again, you're a fucking clown with no way to dispute actual numbers and facts so your dumbass is just flailing and basically trying to cry "fake news" when you don't even realize it was published by multiple sources including Harvard.

Kek what a pathetic piece of shit you are. Again, post literally any source that refutes or debunks those numbers. I'm still waiting faggot. Most morons don't enjoy being wrong, but there you are doubling-down on your stupidity instead of educating yourself and changing your dense ass brain.

>>726771594
>>726772183
well seeing the CDC's information it looks like your marginally correct but all of these countries are pretty close so no %50 difference but some places it's like %10

>>726771736
You'll either share your computer parts with me or you're not a communist. Why are you hoarding wealth?

>>726772748
here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/articles/concord-2.htm

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>>726755449
Why are fascists the trash of the world?

>>726758306
>Socialist countries that actually have democratic systems and let unions have a strong say tend not to get raped by the CIA and collapse because of their shitty economies.

can you give any example?

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>>726772739
you did the same thing
>> KEK

>>726759280
that's it.

>>726759067
there's no other example.

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>>726772848
good question my dude all you gotta do now is get rid of all those busua owner class and we'll be all good

>>726772739
Socialized healthcare, socialized education, and high taxes are working in Denmark. I understand how it could make you upset that there are facts and evidence that disprove your worldview. It's painful to admit when you're wrong but I believe you are a big enough person to do it.

>>726772907
Norway

>>726772907
Belarus

>>726755449

Because they're cucks, faggots, and retards, generally speaking.

>>726772390
Integenerational wealth hoarding has created dynasties of tyrants.

Idiots like you think socialists want to steal your car or your home or your bank account. They care abut the BIG stuff, the multi-million dollar machines of big industry, the resources, not your little pissant $250k estate.

The oligarchs have convinced you that trying to tax their multi-billion dallr trust fund for their children is equivalent to preventing you from leaving some wealth to your children.

stop believing that shit. TAX the living fuck out of the lazy non-contributing billionaire leeches.

>>726772798
That isn't a tenant of communism. If I owned a computer factory and didn't share with you I'd be a bad communist. The means of production are what communists care about primarily, not the product of such. I recommend reading Capital by Marx to clear up any misconceptions you may have.

>>726773371
>TAX the living fuck out of the lazy non-contributing billionaire leeches.
>what are off shore bank accounts for $100

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>>726773285
>> KEK

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>>726773704

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>>726773708
If they move their wealth they get shot. Easy peasy.

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>>726773873

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>>726773151
You faggots always try to use Denmark as some shining example as if people don't realize Denmark a) has a population about 1/1,000th of most any other country in the world b) has a mostly homogeneous population with shared values, history, and heritage and c) ignore the fact that geographically, it's about half the size of any state in the US.

Let's say you're stupid enough to ignore ALL those things that affect pricing, logistics and everything else (or the fact that socialism doesn't magically "scale up" like you morons seem to think), you're still left with the problem of explaining how 1 socialist country out of 50 actually succeeding means it's a good system.

Did you also pass your math class when you scored a 2/100? You didn't get an F? Because that's the dumbass argument you're trying to make right now and you sound uneducated as fuck honestly.

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>>726773676
>if I have 20000 computers and I hoard them all it's perfectly allowed within muh gommunism bucause muh means of productions
>implying you would be allowed to have your own computer in true communist states like north korea
>implying you're not an edgy high school kid
You have not a single fucking clue what communism is.

You gonna gibs me dat GPU or prove yourself a hypocrite?

>>726774004
this is getting pathetic at this point

>>726773979
How would you know if they move it or not?

I love how every single person in this thread is triggered.

>>726773708
So what's your point? Dont tax the rich because they are too smart to allow you to do it?

I guess we shouldn't have gun laws either because then only criminals will have guns.

Hey let's get rid of all the laws since they'll all get broken anyway.

Jesus, does Fox news do ALL your thinking for you?

>>726774004
Germany has over 80,000,000 people and socialized healthcare works there too so the scaling argument is debunked. The UK and Japan also have high populations and socialized medicine. That's just off the top of my head but you can look up more countries if you like. If evidence goes against your beliefs it may be time to reconsider your beliefs. Good luck I believe in you :)

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>>726774083
>thinks North Korea is communist
How far gone are you, comrade? Communism isn't this little strawman you're burning. It is, again, a system of economics in which workers own he means of production. It's a system to strike at the cause of inequity, what you are advocating is a system to address the results of inequity. That's what liberals do. It's stupid. That's why I'm a communist, not a liberal.

>>726758764
Fucking autist, go drink some anarcho-water

http://pittnews.com/article/113977/opinions/columns/privatization-public-works-poisoned-city-water/

>>726759684
NONE OF THOSE COUNTRIES ARE SOCIALIST YOU RETARD
TAXES ARE NOT SOCIALISM
FUCKING HELL

>>726755449
Because you were raised wrong

>>726761748
You can argue that by just living in the society, using services paid for by tax dollars, ex. using taxpayer-funded roads and having a taxpayer-funded fire station come pull you out of your mother's basement when it catches fire is consent. You're reaping the benefits from people paying taxes, so it makes sense for you to pay your share, too. It's the same thing as if you walked into a store and ate a candy bar--the shopkeeper is going to expect you to pay for it.

>>726774273
You can tax them all you want, they'll take their money to these off shore accounts instead making the tax increase redundant.

>>726774565
>when socialism works it isn't real socialism
>when capitalism fails it isn't real capitalism

Indoctrination in action.

>>726774565
You know how I know that you don't know what 'socialist' means?

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>>726774004
Denmark's not really socialist
how about Venezuela who had the great idea of tieing their social programs to the oil market. or how almost all communist societies are dictatorships. it seems that by in large a plurality of people with economic and political power is generally the best way to run a society . however there are some things that have a misaligned incentive structure in the open market.