Which is better?

You're asking the wrong board

It's all preference.
I've always preferred .40 when it comes to practical usage but I enjoy them all, honestly.

luger

.45

They're all great rounds, but if the shit ever hits the fan, nothing will beat the universally available 9mm.

>>726547510
>/b/
>random
>no actual topic
>only banned content is mlp and CP
>djer ayshkin di roang boored!
Fuck off faggot, don't get pissed because this isn't the gorrilionth trap thread or banana ylyl.

.40 tends to hit a little harder than 9 but 9mm typically hold more ammo so i guess it depends on how good of a shot you are

>>726547372
Better for what? Kind of a vague question.

>>726547372
The one that gets the job done.

10mm is the answer

>>726548333
Can't deny the trips.

>>726548286
Use your brain, you decide what and why.

>>726547372
They are all capable of killing a man. Honestly, if you're just using a gun for self defense in case of emergency, a 9mm bullet is completely fine. The only reason to go to a higher caliber is simply for bigger game. No matter what, bullets fucking hurt, you'll stop someone from harming you.

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>>726548107
>.40 tends to hit a little harder than 9 but 9mm typically hold more ammo so i guess it depends on how good of a shot you are

Most gunfights end in 3 shots or less.

>>726547372
are these dildos?

im no expert but.....

no civilian rounds go through body armor, unless they make some kind of .17 simi auto, but even then its probably not worth it.

that being said, pretty sure all the rounds are dangerous.

45 will do more damage but if you choose the 9mm u can prob get 2x the bullets into them and more accuratly, since less recoil.

so idk about you, but im goin for headshots n puttin like 20 bullets into someone in 5 seconds.

so 9mm it is.

>>726547372
That depends upon what the situation is. 9mm is easiest to come by in any scenario and there is a large amount of weapons that take 9mm rounds. .45 is phenomenal amazing stopping power less common but not rare.

>>726547372
The one on the right, duh. The one on the left is too rounded, the bullet would just slide off. And the one in the middle has a flat head, and you need a point for penetration.

5.56 mm is lethal.

People on a lot of drugs don't feel, also you may only have the chance to fire one shot.

>>726548871
Fuck man, father is a Panama Vet, heroin addict came charging him with a knife down a hallway and it took several shots with the 9mm just to stop his ass before killing him. He's sworn by .45 for most but not all scenarios since.

>>726548652

also, if anyone did want to choose the 45 round, idk if you shouldnt just go for the 10mm haha.

and for home defense u could buy an ak or use buckshot, both of those should work really good.

>>726549279
Home defense you want a 410 revolver

Shooting .45 ACP grows your dick by two inches and puts hair on your chest. Ladies included. An American classic.

>>726547372
Fuck .45s and people clinging onto that obsolete round just because 1911 and Amurca.

You can actually dodge .45s if you're over 300 feet away because of how slow they are.

>>726549866
> shooting a pistol 100 yards

Good luck

>>726549866
B8

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>>726547372
10mm. That's a proper, modern round with real power. The 40 short and weak is a pathetic rip off.

>>726547548
This is correct. I shoot 9mm just because of economics and owning multiple 9mm caliber firearms.
Otherwise it's 380 p±

>>726549866
I'm gonna need to see you prove that one junior, in fact I'd pay to see you attempt that one

>>726549866
What kind of retard is using a .45 at 300 feet. Or any handgun for that matter

>>726549866
>dodge bullets
kek youve gotta be trolling.

>>726547372
.357 mag

>>726547372
The best option is not to pick up a gun

>>726548333
checked for trips, and checked for truth

>>726550016
50yards is pretty standard at our pistol/Shotgun range. 70 is about tops

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>>726550245
Yet he fucking responds

>>726550267
gaaaaayyyyyyy

>>726547998
You're only here because your dumbass question would get you laughed at and banned on /k/.
Take any of those rounds and put a few in your head faggot.

>>726550267
An armed society is a polite society.

30/30

>>726550016
9mms can be shot beyond the dreaded 100 yards and still be travelling at a velocity that can do serious damage.

>>726550558

its 100 yards because at that range you can hardly aim or see what your shooting at lol.

not because the bullet goes from 1200 fps to 900.

>>726550687
You need prescription glasses my son.

>>726547372
winchester 500 mag ftw

>>726550437
>implying this is a bannable offence on /k/
I know you're fresh from the l-e-d-d-i-t boat but you don't have to make it that obvious. I'm sure a "feminine penis" thread is fired up and waiting.

>>726549866
This. The .45acp is a piece of shit designed a decade before World War ONE, it's fucking slow it drops off so bad you practically have to aim 10 feet over your target's head to hit at range AND it's so slow and large it can't penetrate basically any armor of any kind. Not to mention since it's so damn huge, it's waaay more expensive due to the shitload of lead and brass needed to make the fucking thing.

FUCK the .45acp. It's fucking shit and it fucking needs to die.

>>726550847

ummm...

pretty much all the bullets we know and love where made over a hundred years ago.

are you fuckin retard m8?

>>726550468
That's why I study the craft of the Japanese blade.

When your machines and mechanics fail. I will be there, ready to protect those in need.

>>726551095
Wow. Are you retarded?

5.56mm was developed in the late 70s

Depends on what youre looking for?

Cheap ammo? 9mm

Magazine capacity? 9mm

Stopping power? 40 and 45

When you realize how you intend to use, the asnwer is clear.

>>726551211

and the 5.56 sucks cock you retarded fuck.

it was developed to wound the target, rather than instagib them as all the other rifles rounds do.

fucking call of duty weabo.

>>726551211

Even the .300 blackout was developed after 2000. That kid who said bullets were designed over 100 years ago never fired a gun, clearly.

>>726551218
+p 9mm is a nice punch

>>726550847
Hit at range. With a sidearm. I think you missing a few core concepts of how to use guns.

>>726549866
all are good self defenses rounds. your a fucking 4chan troll

>>726551218
>stopping power 40..

dont make me laugh.

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>>726551199
I miss posts like this

>>726551476

uhh the .300 was made in like 1910 lol.

>>726551211
So... the guys shooting it in the middle sixties were just confused then, huh?

>>726547372

.45 colt is better

>>726551583
I shot myself with a 40 the other day. Didn't even feel it.

45 acp to heavy , 100 meters and drop on floor . 9x19 is better, fly faster and longer, more bullets in magazine by the same weight . more bullets by shooting = massive better , and you can faster shooting 9x19 Rebound not to heavy vs 45 acp , bullets smaller pistol loading faster .

sorry for my anus english :o

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>>726550070
>10mm. That's a proper, modern round with real power.

Fuck yes. The 10mm is an auto pistol round that matches or exceeds the .357 in equal bullet weights. Stopping power? This shit's great for hunting DEER.

>>726551362
You really are an autist. 5.56 was developed just to combat body armor. I don't see .45s penetrating ballistic armor.

>>726547372
the 40 uses less material and should fly almost as accurately as the 9mm. in terms of efficiency i'd give it to the .40 S&W

>>726550847
>it drops off so bad
900 fps, drops 52" at 200 yards. Trajectory like a well-thrown brick.

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> people saying 45 acp to stronk for home defense

> mfw I have an ak47 for home defense, will aim at the feet tho so I dont kill someone 2 miles away sleeping in their home.

>>726551667

its decent if its full auto out of 30 guys with m16's , i mean, it works decently like that.

but it was literally designed to not just kill people no matter where you hit them like all the other rounds do.

so ya, if you want to go use it in your single shot walmart ar thats fine but if the guy puts his single 30-06 into you well.....one is going to live to tell the tale lol.

>>726551847
nope you usually don't see it because you're fucking dead.

>>726551831
Because the first wall it hits it stops dead, not risking collateral damage

>>726551639
Laugh if you will, dog

I will not loan my skill-set to save your flea bitten hide.
When the cards fall as they may, and the battle is won. I will light a candle for all the lost souls such as yourself.

ITT: a shit ton of autists who've never fired any of these rounds

>>726551953
I can literally see .45s travelling with my own eyes you dumb cunt

I have a .45 acp and a .40 s&w I like them both a lot, I prefer to carry those rounds over a 9mm due to a 9mm traveling a lot faster and imo not having the stopping power of the other rounds due to the high speeds.. it will pretty much go through your target and the next two behind it.

>>726551831

they also use bullets with metal cores in them, unlike what is availible to the public.

just keep that in mind.

>>726552011
I never examined the paper targets after. I'm talking off of speculation alone like most people here.

>>726552116
into armor?

>>726551979
Not really those fuckers are moving quick. It really comes down to the type of round youre firing

>>726551847
Cause a .45 isnt a battle field weapon anymore its a "no, nigger, you give me YOUR wallet" weapon

>>726548333
Came here to post this
Seriously look into 10mm

>>726552140
If i carried a 9mm I'd use R.I.P. rounds other wise just hollow points

>>726551847

no, no it was not. what makes a bullet pierce body armor is a steel core, even pistol rounds will pierce body armor with a little actual metal in them.

thats the biggest limiting factor of a bullet vs armor, not its weight, speed, or type of gun.

oh, and all the bigger rifle rounds do just fine against armor lmfao, sometimes even without the ap core's.

so no, no it was not.

>>726551831
>concealednation.org/2014/10/fbi-decides-on-9mm-as-their-1-choice-and-have-tons-of-science-behind-their-decision/

You do realize they went to the 9mm because women couldn't handle more powerful rounds. Right?

>>726552198
Slow-travelling rounds don't penetrate into ballistic (ceramic, lead, etc) armor that well. Why don't you admit your were wrong and just move on like a normal human being?

>>726551199
While I dig samurai movies too, you realize japanese swords were total shit... right? They were made from total shit metal (what european blacksmiths called "pig iron") and only became useful until after gunpowder showed up and people stopped wearing armor.

>>726548599
inb4 "no" ... "well, not with that attitude!"

>>726551362
>wound
Fucking fudd lore right here, fuck right off back to your .12 ga.

So a strong burst of pressure on a human ribcage couldn't make a heart stop? I'd say that's a factor in and of itself.

>>726552351
Wow sensei, are you telling me that even a .223 round can go through a skull at 300 feet as long as it has a steel core?

Please tell me more.

>>726551941
The whole " designed to wound" garbage was a spin put on it by Mcnamara's bean counters in the sixties when they neutered Stoners original design for money reasons. 30-06 is still better at shitcanning a person than just about anything ever carried onto the field though

22wmr (Winchester Magnum Rimfire) is funny in a baby revolver , mini and massive power
https://northamericanarms.com/

>>726552011

> shoot cz75 9mm
> shoot ak47
> buy 1911 45acp
> fire
> vtec kicked in yo

>>726552590
I'd take an m24 chambered in .300 win mag over a .30-06

>>726551941
>he believes in myths

>>726547372

Depends on what your intent is, and what your limitations are.

They will all kill someone.

.45 has nice impact energy with reduced capacity
9mm has higher capacity, slightly less stopping power (and you won't want to use ball ammo, because it'll just put holes through they, they'll bleed out, but they'll also still be capable of putting up a fight for a while if you don't hit something vital.

.40 is a mixed bag...it's effective, BUT it's less powerful than a .45, it's less capacity than a 9mm. It's a decent round, but it's a shitty compromise between the two. Will it do the job? Sure...but it's an awkward compromise.

.45, full size, you're looking 8-12 rounds tops.
9mm, G26, you can squeeze in 13 with an expanded magazine floorplate.

I carry a G26, sometimes a CZ75, I have a .45 EAA Witness at home

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>>726549722
I can finally use this meme!

>>726552401
They made good swords with what they had, designed for what they were meant to do. Nothing too special, but not garbage.

>>726552692
So you don't think a round will kill you?

Would you be so kind to volunteer for testing for my prototype body armor made of straw and feathers?

>>726551924
Let's see this AK47 that's totally not an AKM

>>726547372
9mm all the way. you lose capacity with .40 and .45 with no improvement in stopping power. and if there is going to be bunch of allluh snackbars coming your way ( and they breed like crazy with their 8 wives ) you might want to make sure you have enough bullets.

>>726548652
not that easy to get a headshot
better to go for center mass on the body
better chance of hitting something

>>726552353
Not your OP but,

Not specifically women, but yeah pretty much. There are tons of desk jockeys in the bureau who do carry a gun but will never, ever use the fucking thing. Originally they went to the 10mm, when they realized their old .38s were underpowered as shit. (feel free to look up the fbi miami shootout) But desk jockeys bitched it was TOO strong. Then they tried switching to lower power loads, still not enough. So they switched to the shitty .40SW, then eventually back to the 9mm.

>>726549239
Heroin doesn't work that way. Your dad's a goddamn liar.

>>726552688
shit, me too! I'm still interested in an HCAR though. gotta sell half a dozen kidneys to get one though

>>726550267
says a faggot who doesn't own a gun

>>726551754
dropping it on your foot doesn't actually count as "shot myself with"

>>726550437
not true

>>726553076
I used a slingshot, bitch.

>>726552958
>heroin doesn't work that way
[citation needed]

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>>726552353

That's not true and you're being a misogynistic fuckwad. Most police-forces around the world have a high volume of female members and they use a .40 caliber in their standard service pistols. International Pistol Comps regularly see women leading with .45 ACP. Moron.

>>726551754
Shenanigans. Total bullshit.

>>726552908
If you're taking on a bunch of mudslimes and you chose a pistol instead of a rifle, you deserve death.

>>726552157
You know, those are EASILY accessible to the public.
http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=steel+core

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>>726552401
>engages on gun vs sword argument

>>726548333
Mah nigga, also checked

5.56 mm is a lethal round.

>>726553481
Damn straight

>>726553263
A pistol IS more concealable my friend.

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.45

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>>726553569

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>>726552157
>they also use bullets with metal cores in them, unlike what is availible to the public

Dickhead. Metal cores are for penetrating vests and require more powder than a .357 ..... the purpose of penetration has a requirement in law enforcement. But the FBI's favorite round was recently the Winchester Silvertip (80s to 90s). Now they use Federal Hydrashok ammo and SIMILAR because BOTH of these rounds will penetrate car doors etc but expand to enable energy transference to the target. If your round over-penetrates than the energy passes through the target with the bullet and has reduced stopping capability.

>>726553481
So is my pellet rifle. Seriously...

>>726552590
Where do you get that from? It's been a hell of a lot of solid sounding sources I've heard "a wounded man takes three off the battlefield" from.

>>726553175
Heroin doesn't jack you up like PCP or meth. It's an opiate. It's going to sedate you and dull your senses. You aren't going to be some crazed gorilla. You'll shoot up then go night night.

Sincerely,
Everyone in the medical field

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>>726553569

>>726553163
you sure showed me!

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>>726553569
Even pistol wise .45 is still the best

>>726553808
I think we already established in this thread that .45 ACPs were inferior.

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>>726551831
>concealednation.org/2014/10/fbi-decides-on-9mm-as-their-1-choice-and-have-tons-of-science-behind-their-decision/


READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE.

9mm is SUPERIOR to .45 and .40 Caliber according to DECADES OF SCIENCE procured by the FBI.

The FBI originally developed the 10mm round in response to shootings in Florida between FBI and Dug Cartels. Later abandoned 10mm for 9mm when evidence showed benefits of 9mm over other rounds (including 10mm).

>>726552897

ok its a SAM7R

who gives a fuck

>>726553190
Yeah, Skippy.
My wife shoots a 300 win mag in 1000 yard competitions too.
Do you think that means that most women can accurately shoot a 300 win mag?

>misogynistic fuckwad.
>Moron.
You must be real popular at parties.

>>726553765
Thats alot of wobble

>>726551642

Yes 300 AAC was made in 1910?

Advanced armament company has been in busienss since 1910, huh?

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>>726554009
>You must be real popular at parties.

I am because I carry a gun at parties - and my wife is just as good a shot with both a .357 and a .45 ACP at 100m.

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>mfw a gun thread on /b/ when you know good and well the average age here is about 13

>>726553643
Some retards actually believe "it was designed to wound," which is moronic and ignorant given it's a chunk of aerodynamic metal hurdling at a high velocity out of a rifled, pressurized, lanky barrel. The shit's gonna shut you down, it's far denser and has more than enough penetrating power to cause fatality. I'm not versed on the rate of fatalities caused by that cartridge, but no military would invent a round to wound people when wounded left deserted end up becoming the responsibility of the cartridge using army. The only remotely non-lethal round is made of rubber.

>>726553647
Holy shit dude, look up The Wiz Kids in reference to the M-16, they were accountants that consulted for the DOD on the adoption of the rifle including downgrading the chambering to 5.56 from the original .308, the whole story of taking two guys to carry a casualty was spin doctoring for going with a weaker round. No oppositional force the US has fucked with since the M-16 has come into play has ever practiced that kind of good samaritan doctrine shit, nor has any branch of service ever trained to exploit it.

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>>726553940
>9mm is SUPERIOR to .45 and .40 Caliber according to DECADES OF SCIENCE procured by the FBI.
Actually the article really just goes on for ages that caliber is essentially meaningless, so they went with the 9mm because it's a common, cheap, and good "all around" cartridge.

Also it never mentions the 10mm, the article is about them switching from .40sw to 9mm. As far as why they made the switch to 10mm and then left it, see >>726552928

>>726554297
I can shave a frogs ass at 1000 meters. What now faggot?

>>726554297

I call bullshit. 100m 45? Video time...

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You need at least .50 GI to stop someone reliably with a handgun. .50 AE is ideal.

>>726554595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MrpxE3DwyI

Well he kind of hit the balloon will the thermal radiation of the bullet

>>726554469
I believe the gun with the most fatalities is the 22. Take from that what you will.

>>726550847
The sad thing is that there are actually people on /b/ who will believe this.

>>726547372
depends what/who you're shooting at. 9mm is good for an unarmored assailant with a melee weapon from a distance of 21ft and beyond. Any closer and I'd pick the .45 so that the first shot is the last.

>>726554297
Sure you are, Skippy.

>>726553696
>implying I said he was a crazed gorilla
The dulled senses is exactly why the fag kept going after the shots. The man had a knife and was charging as best as a druggy could towards my father, and since he was high he couldn't feel the 9mm ball rip through him in body shots.

>>726554962
>since he was high he couldn't feel the 9mm ball rip through him in body shots.
That's your dad's fault for not using hollowpoints.

>>726548333
Czech'd da trips'o'truth

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>>726554815
I'd love to hear you explain why rounds that are faster, more accurate, more powerful, cheaper, easier to obtain everywhere AND allow for higher capacities are somehow much, MUCH worse than the timeless and forever wonderful .45acp.

>>726554804

A .22 lr usually has enough velocity to enter a skull but not exit. (Depending on grain choice and manufacturer of the ammo) was a very popular choice for suppression as well. Very quiet at subsonic velocities. FFT

>>726548333
too loud
too strong
no one is going to need it, and it WILL hurt the owner in close quarters self defense.

9mm all the way. ...Practice and 9mm is all one needs

>>726555064
If I'm not mistaken ball ammo was the standard for MPs to carry in the time frame between '90-'91

I carry a 45 because I trust a slow, heavy, lump of lead.
It's kinda the difference between stabbing someone in the heart (which will kill them, but they can stay functional for up to 15 seconds), or hitting them in the chest with a baseball bat (which will stop them from doing what they are doing, RIGHT NOW!)

>>726555603
I don't think that's how bullets work...

>>726555749
>I don't think
You got that part right.

>>726548652
>no civilIan round go through body armor


What the hell gives you that idea? My black tip 308s go right through lvl 4 plate body armor. Tested against ar 500 plates

>>726555749
>>726555603
I only know of 1 person that can tell me which bullet hurts worse, and I'm not going to ask.

>9mm good for practice, self defense, cheap, easily accessible
>40 same effectiveness of a 9 more recoil than a 45
>45 referred to as an ash tray because of size of would, the bigger the wound the faster the bleed

I've watched alot of medical videos on caliber and generally handgun calibers don't cause true damage to tissue they mostly poke holes, shot placement matters substantially more. 6 out of 7 people that get shot with a handgun will survive so long as they make it to a hospital in time, also human flesh is pretty resilient and and self sealing, after getting shot and going to the hospital sometime they will just put a bandaid on the wound and move on.

Getting shot with a rifle is a bad thing, rifle rounds cause cavitation which causes massive damage to tissue and doctors can mostly only keep you comfortable until you die but shot placement is also key

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>Doesn't list 380

^This is the correct answer. Its only like 2mm shorter than a 9mm (at the same diameter). Modern 380 loads pack just as much punch as a 9 would in real world defense situations, and it allows you to carry way lighter/smaller firearms (so you'll, you know, actually carry). No one will ever be able to convince me a 9 will do something more than a 380 loaded with XTP rounds if Tyrone comes at me.

>Pic related. My EDC.

>>726556160
When did a 308 become better than a 30.06

>>726555903
Are you telling me that .45s will act like a baseball bat? Like a blunt fucking object that's designed to hit a baseball?

Op doesn't mention the best round in the history of handguns, the almighty 10mm auto
>argue with me faggots yall ain't got shit on the 10mm

>>726548788
Kinda, just really high velocity. 7.62 39mm is universal.

>>726556160
5.7x28 out of a 10+ inch barrel can defeat body armor and that's just regular ball. Speed defeats body armor, get a round moving fast enough and most Kevlar will give. 5.56 m855 ball actually ripped a huge chunk off of one of my steel targets and they were thick ar500 steel

>>726556265
380 is expensive and not worth the practice imho

>>726551211
And it's terrible.

>>726547372
any of em will stim your prostate if you jam em up deep enough

>>726552401
They has the best steel compared to the white man.
Anything else is just more racist white male supremacy.
>Stop the hate

>>726550437
>Asking the only question that matters to /k/ gets you banned from /k/

Welcome to the 4th channel, enjoy your stay.

>>726556305
Depends on your situation.

Modern 308 factory loads are as good as 30 06 factory loads and cheaper slightly

The real difference is if you reload, 30 06 has better case capacity and so if you reload you can Taylor your rounds to your rifle

>>726556305
With my experiences anyways.

>>726556443
A 5.56 will no under any version of the round will penetrate my lvl 3 or 4 plate body armor.

>>726556338
10mm is garbage and expensive not to mention a dying caliber

>>726556499

Before I would've agreed, but the price is now pretty much on par w 9mm. Esp if you know where to look. 380s have become hella popular the last few years because people are starting to get the benefits of carrying it.

>>726556802
Now you're changing the body armor of course very few things will go through plate armor I'm speaking mostly of Kevlar and some plate can only take a few hits

>>726556893
I work at a gun shop dude 380 runs like 5 dollars more on average

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.45 has irritating recoil, .40 is a "nigger caliber" that Tyrones always use and will get your concealed carry permit request turned down, the only choice is 9mil and actually aim. Go for center mass and fire a ridiculous number of shots like a cop does because it makes you look afraid and keeps SJW public defenders and judges from being able to accuse you of being a "Christian gun nut trump supporter" or some shit.

>>726556953
Maybe confused with another anon, was only taking bout plate body. Them pistol round that got banned in the 80s are best against kevlar.still have a few boxes. But I've only beat the plate body's with 308.

>>726557132
.357 ain't bad tho

>>726556313
I'm saying that to get someone to stop what they're doing, right now, transfer of momentum is more important than energy and/or velocity.
2 seconds later, you'll want them dead. But, initially, you want them to stop what they're doing.

>>726557254
.357 is a magnum round the other lyrics good thing about .357 revolvers is being able to change to a 38 special

>>726556815
>dying
I've spoken with many arms dealers in the past few years 10mm sales have risen here in the good Ole south
>expensive
Damn right I paid $35 for 20 rounds of Hornady critical duty rounds, not complaining one bit
>10mm is #1 preferred handgun for hunters and campers for defense against bears and other large predators because of large mag capacity plus stopping power

Easy.

9mm


a gun owner should know how to shoot.

>>726557340
>Equal and opposite reaction
The only stopping power the assailant will feel is equivalent to your weapons recoil. That's why penetration and expansion is so important with rounds in terms of stopping power for best cavitation

>>726554804
>>726555379
>I believe the gun with the most fatalities is the 22.

This is true. What I find really funny is how many times I've seen completely different and unrelated gun enthusiasts on YouTube admit that they used to rip on the 22lr as underpowered and pathetic... until they actually did some stopping power tests with it. 'Cause what they found out at the end of the day is that a 22lr absolutely CAN kill the fuck out of you.

>>726547372
whichever one you can hit your target with most reliably.

Whichever one you can comfortably shoot and maintain accuracy with a decent rate of fire.
Now go to bed fgt.
/Thread

>>726553190
Using muh soggy knees on /b/

>>726557430
You know what caliber has made a resurgence in the last few years too? 38 super , but that doesn't make it THE BEST SELF DEFENSE CALIBER EVER even if it does have the same muzzle energy as a 44 mag

10mm

>>726558097
Wasn't saying that because it's making a comeback means it's great, someone else mentioned that it's dying when in fact that wasn't true. Sure it's more of a niche caliber but it sure is better than the 3 more common handgun calibers.

>>726558097

Uh....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_Super

Uhhhhhh....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.44_Magnum

I would like "Not even close" for 500 Alex.

>>726549722
For home defense you want a 12 gauge shotgun.

>>726558772
Who uses 12 gauge at home?

>>726558913

I do. 00buck 2 and 3/4 shells loaded. Slugs and Blindside Number 4 3 inch mag in the side caddy.

>>726558913
>who uses a short range gun for short range combat?
Are you fucking retarded

10mm fag now go to /k/

>>726559113

Sorry blind side number 3 in 3 inch

>>726558913
people who can't aim and don't mind if they accidentally make holes in their walls

>>726558913
>18.5" barrel
>6 shell tube
>extendable stock with flashlight attachment
>I like to mix some buck shot and slugs in there to surprise the motherfucker

>>726559251
>people who can't aim

This isn't COD kid. Shotguns still hit what they are aiming at

>>726559474
exactly...you don't need to be a good aim to hit something with the shotgun
but then again...its a home defense situation, not target shooting so my point is moot
my bad
sorry

>>726557768
>Equal and opposite reaction
But you have to think in terms of elastic vs inelastic collision.
Getting shot is an inelastic collision that conserves momentum but not kinetic energy. So, to get the maximum disruption, you want the maximum momentum transfer. In the first second, momentum pushes someone off balance, disrupts their aim, etc.
It's only afterward that things like wound channel become important.
So, my concern is giving someone the greatest "jolt" when I pull the trigger.

>>726553765
Id recognise that fat georgian mug anywhere

>>726559186
It's a scattergun niggy, multiple shot pellets create more variables for shit to go wrong in an enclosed space like a house. Of course the quarters could be so close that the spread won't be enough to where you can't aim and still hit shit, but it seems like a bigger risk to fuck up your homestead.

>>726548652
Dumb faggot

>>726559702
Sure if you like not being able to hit someone with your slow moving piece of shit .45 from 20ft away. I'm sure I could dodge a fucking .45 round that's how slow it moves. And then in any concealable weapon .45's don't usually have more than 10 round mags

>>726556160
380s dont go through thin metal dip fuck

>>726559635
>exactly...you don't need to be a good aim to hit something with the shotgun
How much spread do you think you get in a 20 ft room?

>>726560080
Oops dyslexic misread Im the fag

>>726560080
I dunno about that bud. I'm sure .380s can go through aluminum foils but I guess I could be entirely wrong

>>726559999
quads wasted on an idiot

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>>726558913
They're great as long as you actually practice with the thing.
It's true of any gun but especially with a 12 gauge... you don't want your first time firing the thing to be in your home, in the dark at 2am.
Most people have a pump action which you need experience with to be able to operate under extreme stress, they are incredibly loud, a world of shit comes out of the scary end with a heck of a kick and buckshot will penetrate through multiple walls.

Something like an AR is also a great home defense weapon, arguably better.
A LOT more rounds, easy to shoot accurately due to low recoil and not being as disorienting to you, especially with frangible ammo to reduce over penetration.

>>726559635
You do need to aim.
A typical 00 buckshot spread across home defense distances is like the size of a quarter to half dollar.

>>726560199
No shit i mean plates like propane tanks i almost got hit in the face from a ricochet....

>>726550437
Ylyl thread??

>>726560317
Well maybe you should have made that clear, you troglodyte pondscum. I was almost positively sure you meant cooking foil

>>726560243
>Butthurt .45 nigger tier owner detected being roused by 10mm God tier owner

>>726547372
10mm

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>>726560521

>>726560546
Actually, I don't give a shit what you shoot because I'm an adult.

>>726560521
Quekk

I carry all three

9mm is FUCKING EVERYWHERE and does the job. .45 is slow as hell but hits hard so you know what it hits is stopping (except shit you really aren't supposed to use a small pistol round for). .40 is sort of an inbetween that's alright. Depends what you're looking for. Gotta love a Glock in any of those though.

>>726561255
AT THE SAME TIME???!!!
> .45 on the hip
>9 at the ankle
> .40 hanging from the underarm because you always wear a suit with your fucking fedora you faggot

>>726561363
That's just the answer any uneducated person would say

>>726552351
velocity and weight defeats body armor all day every day that's why most body armor vest require a plate for rifle rounds

>>726557909
I'm honestly more scared of a fucker with a .22 because they're known to bounce off of bones and shit and just make nasty wounds. At least a 9mm will go through you or just kill you at least.

PISTOL STOPPING POWER IS A MYTH

>>726561532
.556 weighs less than .40 and .556 has a higher chance of piercing armor than .40 so no weight is not a part of your armor piercing calculation

>>726561363
>he likes glocks

>>726561724
>pistol stopping power is a myth
My .44 disagrees.

>>726547372
Which ever you can actually land your shot with. A .22 in the chest is better than a .45 ACP in the wall beside them.

>>726561724
[citation needed]

>>726561521
Any of them kill at the end of the day. Falls to what you're looking for in a round. But no that's uneducated to compare general charcteristics in brief instead of praising some non mainstream round as the round of the future or are you shitty about Glocks because they're ugly but work?

>>726547548
>firing .40 short and weak
>not owning a gun in a 10mm auto
Kys

>>726562007
Nah m8 I love glocks I have a glock 20 sitting on my night stand right now.

10mm

10mm

10mm

>>726547372
Depends on your wants/needs.
I prefer hollow points though.

>just thought about the practicality about 10mm in post apocalyptic world/lesser functioning society
>fuck
>good luck finding ammo I can barely find any already

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>>726547372
Luger, cos when u kill Freddy krueger you can tell him ... YOU GOING DOWN KRUEGER WITH A LUGER.

>>726562423
Thus 9mm. May have less ass but its everywhere. You could also do reloads. 10mm brass I imagine is easier to get in large quantities.

>>726561774
then how does a 7.62x39 out penetrate a 5.56x45 then

>>726562649
>tfw glock doesn't work well with reloaded rounds
>sadfrog.jpg
>glockhandgrenade.gif

>>726562423

That's why you get a 12 gauge.

>>726561897

Apparently so do 38 Supers

>>726558097

Check YouTube videos of ballistic wound tracks for each and get back to me.

>>726550070
The only reason I've heard of 10mm being NOT fielded is for manlets who aren't able to control their firearm or take the recoil.

>>726562878
Blunder buss is my fav imo
>all you need is gunpowder and anything can be a projectile in that son of a bitch

>>726562816
Forgot Glocks are picky fuckers sometimes. Bulkammo.com has some 10mm but only as much as 500 round packs. Then again Glocks can be picky but its there. Talk to your local gunshops too. They can probably hook you up or start carrying good 10mm.

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>>726552351
>actual metal
>steel is less of an 'actual metal' than lead since it's an alloy

>>726547372
.45+P is hot as a .357, but you have to use a modern firearm or assplosion.

>>726551847
"Wound One soldier, take three off the battlefield." was the sellinmg poin. It was made to kill rats and coyotes. Retard

>>726563666
>the devil is a lie

>>726554469
>Some retards actually believe "it was designed to wound," which is moronic and ignorant given it's a chunk of aerodynamic metal hurdling at a high velocity out of a rifled, pressurized, lanky barrel. The shit's gonna shut you down, it's far denser and has more than enough penetrating power to cause fatality. I'm not versed on the rate of fatalities caused by that cartridge, but no military would invent a round to wound people when wounded left deserted end up becoming the responsibility of the cartridge using army. The only remotely non-lethal round is made of rubber.

It was made to kill coyotes and rats

>>726548652
They do make a .17 semi auto you huge faggot

>>726564072
And the first rudimentary gunpowder was first developed to produce fireworks. What's your fucking point?

>>726547372
9 is fine

.45 super or .460 rowland if you want to be a coolguy

>>726564072
A 22 was made to kill rats. A 223/5.56 was made to kill people. Dead and simple.

>>726547372
10 mm auto

>>726564525
Actually 223 is just a varmint round. It kills people but so does any round unless you're going to bring up .41 rocket ball.

>>726564264
He is claiming 223 was made to kill people.

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Ctrl+F "10mm"
found 30

All my fucking yes.
Great thread.
Would do again.

>>726564808
meme round for memers

get a rifle if you want to kill things

>>726547372
Why do you keep making this thread, faggot?

I prefer my xdm 9 over my glock 23 but either will kill a nigger just fine

>>726564488
.460 Rowland
>nigga just went full retard
Sure lemme pay this company loads of money to convert my already nice gun into a specialty piece of shit and have to scourge the earth to find ammo.
>good luck with that m8

>>726564072
This argument better suits why not just have a ballsy round that just destroys your target. The fact that it wounds a guy and you effectively remove 2 or 3 men from the fight is just an extra on top of other advantages like weight and capacity.

>>726549279
>ak
What is over penetration?

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>>726547372
Literally aim for the torso.

Almost every gun is lethal to the average human.

Except pic related, hurts like a bitch, but if you die from this, wow, just fucking wow.

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>>726564719
You can call it whatever you like. But it was specifically designed to kill people. The best round is a 50 AE

>>726564980
It's a barrel kit, and you buy the ammo online like you already do.

The point is that .45 auto loaded to modern handgun pressures smokes your favorite meme repeater pistol round.

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>>726550267

>>726565106
Its a varmint round BY DESIGN. As in originally meant to kill coyotes and such. Yes it kills people. Yes it works well. Doesn't make it not a varmint round. Desert Eagle fanboy much? 50 is nice when you can find it but try looking at .454, .480, .500, there's revolvers in 45-70 and 30-30. Pretty certain those pack far more ass than the 50 ae not including nearly every rifle round.

>>726565093
Now that's an obscure little reject. 2.7mm of fury right there.

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If it was good enough for John Moses Browning...

>>726551362
>5.56 sucks cock
Nah. It's pretty good in most situations. Little to no recoil so easy follow up shoots and easy for new recruits, adequate penetration, good tumble and wound canal. Doesn't weigh much so it's easy to hump lots of em. Can actually be used somewhat effectively in full auto without being some kind of firearms black belt.
So yeah it does not "suck cock". It's a okay round for most soldiers in most situations

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>>726565755
This was good enough for him, too.

>>726565500
>designed for the us army
>For killing rats
Rethink your argument

>>726554098
Ma grate gran pappi curried a 300 blk sbr in ww1.

>>726565938
>>726565755
What we're trying to say is there have been advances in weaponry since those days. Embrace the better round (10mm masterrace)

>>726565945
Not 223. 5.56 you can argue since it is different (just a hair warmer). How many people are actually shooting rats with any form of firearm? 223 varmint. 5.56 is the military round though effectively the same as 223.

>>726565945
It was designed by soldiers getting out of the military, to kill coyotes. Really

>>726559833
>scattergun
You have played to many video games son

>>726547372
9mm, only because parabelum is dirt cheap where i live.

My grandfather always taught me to adopt an elitist attitude towards 9mm Luger and 8mm Mauser. Pretty sure it was because he used German equipment in the Danish resistance. My opinion would be too biased. Ask /k/.

>>726567010
Buy em up! Get it while its cheap because all it takes is one waterhead numb nuts to go shoot a couple people and they're back up high again.

>>726566242
>>726566282
>1957: The development of the cartridge which eventually became the .223 Remington, from which the 5.56×45mm NATO will eventually be developed, is intrinsically linked to the development of a new lightweight combat rifle. The cartridge and rifle were developed as one unit by Fairchild Industries, Remington Arms, and several engineers working toward a goal developed by U.S. Continental Army Command (CONARC). Early development work begins in 1957. A project to create a Small Caliber High Velocity (SCHV) firearm is created.

Literally
made
to
kill
people

best for dropping a charging goof.the 45,a couple ten rd clips will leave your hand and wrist sore,but damn they do tear up BOOM slumpppp,,, drip sploop,p p p puddlepuddle
for practice the sm rds are better to train the eye/hand coordination in quick assay of surroundings solid hide spots,targets,single or is there are others,civilians around.

>>726567682
Okay. Slowly. WHICH IS THE MILITARY ONE? 223 or 5.56? Does the military use 223 or 5.56? The military uses 5.56 correct? So THAT one is designed to kill people. 223 is the civillian round correct? It is made and packaged for varmint. Again. 223 is varmint. 5.56 is military. They are different rounds. The intial argument was over 223 which is a varmint round. What you were talking about being designed to kill people is 5.56.

>>726568129
Read the fucking green text.
>223 Remington is intrinsically linked to the development of a new lightweight combat rifle.

>>726547372
.45 ACP

>>726568332
Doesn't matter. They are different and are for different purposes. If they were the same, there would be no need in giving it two different names. 5.56 is warmer than 223 because it is mil spec vs saami spec. They may have both came from the same program, that does not mean they have the same purpose in the end.

>>726547372
>Which is better?

Living in a nice country where I don't need any of them.

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The 9mm is total shit due to lack of penetrating power ...

Pic related as proof ...

>>726568639
Doesn't matter that it was originally designed to kill people? By the military? What are you arguing again?

>Its a varmint round BY DESIGN. As in originally meant to kill coyotes and such

Oh yea, you're retarded

This will be my last post

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>>726550437