Question for oldfags: Has 4chan ever been left-wing?

>>726362048
I was here in 2006, there definitely wasn't as much right wing cock sucking as there is today. There was a time when most of /b/ was lolcatz and scientology shit talking. And once in awhile internet activism. Since then it seems the bigots have made this board into a new home.

>>726362048
4chan is all wings. There is a bit of everything contained within.

>>726362048
Gas the nazis

ONWARDS TO FINAL SOLUTION!
Get it?

4chan is now and always has been counter-culture. It's filled with edgy faggots who will do anything to be the outcast as a way to feel validated in their inability to make a real connection in society.

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>>726362048
We're a community of both, since being conservative in any country is a unforgivable death sentence crime now, we(right-wing) release some steam here.

So you tend to see the conservatives more talkative here.

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>>726362048
Sure.

>>726362929
>White house GOP controlled
>congress GOP controlled
>Supreme court GOP controlled

"wah wah we're so oppressed!" give me a break. Stop being a fucking snowflake, nobody is oppressing you.

>>726363159
The GOP isn't right wing, it's right leaning if right at all.

>>726363159
Don't get heated.

I'm not American(nor European), things in my country are different form yours.

>>726362929
>in any country
every muslim country is conservative

>>726362929
You are not conservative - you are a greedy self centered leech.

sorry but it had to be said. all that self reliant shit is just "I don't want to pay for others". I don't want to pay for a decent society, just want to grab all its benefits.

>>726363342
I'm sorry, am I the one whining about being oppressed? Or is that you?

>>726362048
Even 2channel is rightwing

>>726363397
Thank you for pointing out my imperfections.

>>726363249
well meme'd my boy!

>>726363342
Nice response man.

I'd love to see some discourse come back and I can't deal with the hate and vitriol politics brings out in anons.

>>726363419
I was sure my comment was respectful, like i said, things in my country are different. I'm lucky if i get to live the next 5 years

>>726363690
what discourse is the right capable of other than calling the other side cucks?

>>726363406
Totes my dude. When is college back in session?

>>726363690
I know right, politics aside, we're all here for the memes. And stay united by that.

>>726362048
No but it has always been autistic

>>726362048
YES

I came here in 07 as a true newfag (as in someone who migrated here from newgrounds)

Get this straight, 4chan has always been contrarian and "for the lulz" so we will call someone a nigger or a kike to get an uproar, or we will argue that abortion isn't right because it gives women the right to choose (or conversely abortion is right because it kills babies and we like that) same thing goes for pedophilia, we joke about it but not many of us are actually pedos (though there definitely are exceptions). AT LEAST THIS IS HOW IT USED TO BE.

Here is a history from my perspective:

2008 election, not much talk on /b/ but there were at least daily threads, just not hourly threads. Generally speaking the breakdown was very high 70% lib 15% conservative and 15% trolls

not much change since then, but in 2012 it was significantly different for a few reasons, there was a a conservative spike, but it was still around 60% liberal and 20% conservative, but (here's the difference) 10% trolls and 10% conservative shills (And they were very obvious, always using the exact same stock images of mitt looking off to the right with a glowing light on him with a big shit eating grin) additionally in 2012 there were HOURLY threads on /b/ about the election. After the election was over the shilling stopped but the arguments continued so moot made /pol/ as a containment board

and for a while /pol/ was generally the same makeup but after a few months /pol/ became a very slow board

at some point between 2013 and 2014 some stormfront retards took refuge in /pol/ and they got a little more popular but not by much, they were a small community that showed up because they didn't understand the difference between trolls and actual racism/sexism/anti-semitism

then gamergate happened HOLY FUCKING SHIT

1/2

>>726364785
2/2
/v/ has always been full of retards, so they are more susceptible to suggestion, so when they were getting picked on by a small minority of gaming critics for shit they freaked the fuck out at the entire gaming industry and they started making minute by minute threads on /v/ where they would get banned so they moved to /b/ but political talk doesn't belong on /b/ so they got banned

Then they went to /pol/ and the stormfront retards welcomed them with open arms. The /v/tards actually began falling for the stupid fucking racist memes that /pol/ was spreading and being the retards they were they all quickly turned into complete binary retards

THIS is when 4chan turned conservative and now more and more stormfront idiots keep finding homes here and the collective IQ of this shit show has fallen from introverted geniuses with low morality to bubba gump and his sister-cousin-wife

>>726363808
Come on pal, that's our issue just as much. Shouting insults and not listening to the other side is what got us all up Shit Creek.

The right often makes compelling points regarding societal stability, even if you don't always agree with the reasoning:

>nuclear families
>standing army
>energy independence

Always gets more interesting arguing with people who don't echo what you said straight back at you but also don't bury you in faeces either.

>>726364785
>>726364801
this is the closest thing to proof that I've been here as long as I claim (they didn't release 4chan passes until 2012 and I didn't get one until I had enough bitcoin to buy one without exposing any personal information)

I probably have some old images saved somewhere as well but I'm sure most of them can be found elsewhere as well

>>726362048
/b/ really didn't have a political identity at all back in my day. Didn't matter what party everyone was made fun of and no one was taking seriously

>>726365265
yeah, as I said here:
>>726364785
while there were election threads in 08, it was nothing compared to even 2012 let alone now

>>726364801
>collective IQ of this shit show has fallen from introverted geniuses with low morality to bubba gump

Is it that this place actually became hostile to thought or that you grew up and saw this place for what is is?

I see what you're saying and certainly there have been demographic shifts over the time I've been here but I feel I've changed more than 4chan has over these years.

Do anyone have any good sources on the changes in 4chan demographics?

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Lean towards the center/right, but generally left leaning.

>>726365738
biggest support I've seen for it is online IQ tests

they always inflate scores but when one of those threads pop up now, the average IQ still comes to only around 90 VS back then, the same online IQ test threads never brought back anything less than 145, so if you are comparing the collective IQ from then to now, it definitely has shifted, and it is from conservative facebook posts pulling people in for the conservatard racism

go ahead and do one of the online IQ test threads, and you will always get something under 100 as average

Additionally:

we used to have built in barriers making posting here more difficult as in the fact that once you posted to a thread you were kicked out of the thread unless you took the time to type out noko in the email field

so newfags could only post once in a thread before they were booted from the thread

>>726366109
(and I am only measuring relative IQ from then to now)

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>>726362048
Nazis and socialist com fags are both retarded statist. The only difference between them is how much those fags like to suck black dicks

>>726362048
We were fairly left wing; but the left kept moving further and further and further and further to the left and everything that wasn't all the way to the left is now considered Right-Wing.

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Ask a neoliberal anything. Center on social issues, right of center on economics.

Ive been here since 2012 not an old fag but not as bed as these newfags, more inbetween, but /b/ used to be a majority left ideology board, but keep in mind, liberalism has changed drastically over the last 7 years, im more if an independent myself, but i do support trump for the most part

>>726366277
This. And then SJW happened, which helped too.

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Dude weed lmao
I just want people to leave eachother the fuck alone and stop trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

>>726362048
I have a really hard time believing 4chan isn't full of leftists considering the high NEET population. FACT: True right wingers want to get rid of any form of welfare and only support the ultra rich. Apparently a lot of you "alt right" people missed that one. I couldn't give less of a shit about all these gender and minority rights issues but whatever happens the government better keep supporting us less fortunate poorfags. It's not our fault society was designed around the rich and our parents just happened to crap us out in this shithole.

>no one mentioning /b/'s love affair with Ron Paul

>>726366331

Do you really think that the public sector being stripped of assets and being obligated to contract all work to the private sector is an effective use of taxpayer money?

>>726366758
>posts a "FACT"
>fact is complete nonsense

You no nothing anon

>>726366691
Yeah, telling everyone they were secretly racist was a mistake.

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I hope that someday we'll seize all means to the working class and enter the era of communism

>>726366693
cuck detected

>>726362048
Have been here since 2006 which is really depressing to think about. 4chan was very liberal back then because mainstream conservatism/patriotism was the norm. Now that pretty far-left liberalism is the norm it's very right wing.

I'm gonna venture that most heavy 4chan users share a common sense of displacement socially. And they are always going to be angry at the mainstream society that rejects them. 4chan will always be counter culture.

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Goes both ways.

>>726366844
Anyone who tells you otherwise is a shill, otherwise you have been badly misinformed. The right wants to oppress everyone who's not rich, that's how it has always been and always will be.

>>726366948
Then you should be in the top left Komrade.

>>726367111
>keeps posting nonsense
>adds in a few absolutes

absolute nonsense

>>726367114
You need to study Marx. The state will be dissolved after the revolution is completed

>>726363159
>so thin-skinned

>>726367310
I have studied Marx.

What you're saying now is unrelated to what you were saying before. What you were saying before and what you are saying now is at odds with the picture you posted.

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>>726365210
>>726364801
>>726364785
Here is something with a slightly older date than my since4pass

this was dated 2009 from a battlestation thread I was in (notice /b/ on the left) and the mouse on the desk is the original world of warcraft mouse that was released in 2009 (and I only had for 6 months before my chinchilla ate the cord)

>>726363159
Republican =/= conservative

>>726367191
Not sure if shill or just stupid. If you're actually this misinformed, just fucking google it. It's not that hard to do a little online reading to figure out the basic policies of conservatives vs liberals. But oh wait, you just copied your political beliefs off of memes so no actual logical thought applies to you apparently.

>>726367341
ikr, the right is always throwing tantrums about how muh feels were hurt by the libs

>>726367468
Maybe on this board, but in the adult world, if you are a republican it is accurate to assume you therefore hold conservative beliefs.

>>726367472
>keeps posting nonsense
>now mad nonsense

totally mad and uninformed

>>726367406
Then you'll know that after the revolution, the power will go to the peoples dictatorship, direct democracy

>>726362048
yes, there was a time before the /pol/ invasion

>>726367562
No, in the real world republicans have nothing to do with conservatism. One is a self serving group with no allegiances but to themselves, the other is a philosophy of mostly economics.

The only accurate assumption you can make about a modern republican, is that they are not a democrat.

>>726367582
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>>726362929
Idk if that makes you a lil bitch but im happy for u anyway

>>726367635
So you're top left, komrade.

>>726367733
>being this mad
>have literally not said anything besides pointing out that your points are dumb

kek

>>726367717
So you're telling me that if somebody approached you and announced that they were republican, you wouldn't know whether they lean left or right?

>>726362305
Yes! Exactly. I have also been here since 2005.

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We are ascended

>current century
>being anything else

>>726366109
>built in barriers making posting
Huh, I'd completely forgotten about noko. I think you have something there, the site was outright hostile to new posters. Even additions like the catalogue now I think about it.

QoL improvements bringing down the community quality as a whole by lowering the collective bar. Seems a tough dilemma.

>>726364801
08 fag here

Can confirm this

>>726367754
Then explain to me how how direct democracy will result in totaliarism

>>726367938
yup

it did mean more newfags making new threads and not attending them too, which was annoying because some guy would make a thread of "HELP I CUT OFF MY DICK WHAT DO" and you would respond and never get a response back

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>>726362305
you should go cry about it on goybook with all the fat dykes and niggers, i'm sure you'll get plently of likes

>>726367822
I would know that they are a republican, a group that has nothing to do with being left or right or conservative. You can assume they *believe* they lean right, but then look at how nothing they do or vote for is ever something a conservative would do or vote for.

So you're talking with an educated conservative, would you assume they are a republican? Educated liberals =/= SJWs just like SJWS are not democrats.

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>>726363139
>>726366096
>>726366693
>>726366948
>>726367094

Nice


>>726366245
>>726366331

At least you're not in hitler territory...

>>726368157
your containment board is that way >>>/pol/

>>726368157
Quit your bitching, snowflake.

>>726363406
Fucking kike I don't mind paying government taxes for things like military or infrastructure, but I'm not gonna pay for kid's college when a a majority of people don't even graduate with a bachelors, not to mention all the cunts that get useless degrees. And I especially hate having to pay for nigs gibs.

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Orgy>all

>>726368383
my wife and I both fall into orgy, yet we have only been to a couple

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What do you mean

>>726368571
what was your first board and when did you get here buddy

>>726368636
/mlp/, yesterday

>>726368571
Disregard that, I suck cocks.

>>726367432
What is this shitload of meds?

>>726368895
caffeine pills

used to wake up and snort them before going to class

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I support you doing whatever the hell you want an economic polices that make sure we are all walking together. Remember, America has always done best when the tax burden fell even on everyone's shoulders. Whenever we had tax cuts massively for the top, 10 years later we have a major crash that changed it all.

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No never
come on now, get ascended.

>>726362048
don't you remember project Chanaology in 2008? 4chan was so left wing it would have blown your mind! We were a culture have hacktivists!

We took down Hal Turner, a neo nazi who knocked one of our fucking guys on 4chan and we went after him and got his radio show shut down!

hundreds of us protests internationally against scientologist. We were huge in numbers.

We brought internet connection to the middle east when it was cut off during the rebelion.

4chan was on another level of left you have never seen before.

This new right wing movement is just a meme, but it might be here to stay. I miss old 4chan

Discuss?

>>726368383
>libertarian right is hover hand
It should be gruesome tortuous orgies with the Ugandan sex slaves that you loaned from the local sex trafficking company but then you accidentally kill one of the sex slaves which was against the contract of the loan, thus violating the NAP so your local sex trafficking sends their men to your property and captures you forcing you to replace the dead sex slave and working for them forever otherwise they'll launch their recreational nuclear bombs at you.

>>726364801
I still remember a few years back, when /pol/ was all about hating jews and holocaust denial,
compared to now, when it's all about antisemitic, Alex Jones-tier conspiracy shit and hating SJWs to the point where the average SJW is harder to trigger than a /pol/lack.

>>726369661
stupid people are easy to upset and the stupid have usurped the old

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>>726369300
That would be this area

>>726369842
I'm seriously curios what the future will be of 4chan,
perhaps six, eight or ten years from now /k/, /x/ or /sci/ will have become the most important board by then, compared to /pol/ now.

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>>726370460
I dont think 4chan will be around that much longer

remember: trump put an anti-net neutrality guy in charge of the FCC so why would the ISPs want to associate with 4chan?

4chan will be completely fucked

pic related, what the internet will be like without net neutrality

>>726369261
>brought internet connection to the middle east
Not convinced 4chan was a major player in Arab Spring.

Typically it's been issues of censorship that hold the hivemind's interest for long enough to organise a raid. Free speech being a pretty universal, non-partisan ideal here in the West.

Surely an amorphous community is harder to pin down than saying it's 'drifting right'?

>>726370732
Is America great again yet?

>>726362305
Yup. Occupy Wallstreet, anyone? Anonymous was deeply involved in that.

>>726368350
You should enlist then. You're so interested in protecting your state. Bootlicker.

>>726370921
I think large swathes of so-called alt-right would have been too.

The arguments made in the Occupy movements were not uniquely left have even been re-purposed by right-wing populists.

>>726370757
we did

We did actually get involved in arab spring, we set up VPNS for them and put up tor nodes specifically for them to access "non-allowed" sites

I remember specifically because my computer was one of the Tor nodes

4chan passes also were major in that they allowed https traffic through cloudflare which wasnt blocked which allowed arrabs to find the tor nodes

>>726370732
But he's also seeing strong attacks from nearly all sides,
his whole presidency has been scandals and crises,
I would be surprised if any of his anti-net neutrality attacks will do damage,
that can't be repaired by his democratic successor.

It's largely left libertarian and right authoritarian. Going off the chart you posted.

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>not being centrist

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>>726362048

>>726362305
Pretty much this. Also, remember Hal Turner? /b/ went after him because he was a racist.

Don't let the stormfags flimflam you. /b/ was not always racist, edgy faggots. I'm also a 2006 fag and shit was very different back then.

>>726366948
Hahahahaha that'll never happen, faggot. Keep dreaming.
>>726367310
LOL what revolution? Commies today are whiny feminists and beta males.. couldn't do jack shit.

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>>726373136
Come at me

>>726362048
https://discord.gg/TwFdm

communist discord I just made

>>726362508
e-even chicken wings?

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>>726373916
No come at me bitch, anti-communist own most of the guns in America.

>>726374401
Vietnam and Korea? the only two wars that involved U.S. ground troops and the communists weren't smashed...

>>726375141
fucking this lmao, choosing the most high profile wars the USA LOST kek

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>>726374401
That might be true right now but with the creeping fascism more people are joining our side

>>726364801
>>726364785
These are 100% accurate

Been here since 07

>>726375287
Most high profile? Name one war with U.S. ground troops not simply aiding but directly fighting a war against a communist army? Only Korea and Vietnam are the only two wars. The others include proxy wars

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>>726362048
At least some of us are.

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>>726362048

/b/ was never a single political range, but if you take in account the anarchists, libertarians, apoliticals, socialists, etc and ignore dissenters, it would fit some of your definition of "left-wing." But it would also fit "right-wing" ideas and a host ofnothers, showing once again that using the worn out political dichotomy is pointless.

Despite the range of beliefs every autistic /pol/tard is still going to call every moderate person and apathetic non-voter a Democrat. Why? Because they're as triggered and retarded as sjws who call everyone a cis straight Christian male. Identity, groupthink, and unstable emotuons are more important than logic

>>726368157
All he did was correctly answer op's question you fucking triggered snowflake

>>726362929
>we're victims
>we're only triggered because we're persecuted
God kill yourself faggot

>>726362802
4chan hasn't been counterculture for years

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Wheres my hobbesian state.

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>>726363406
taxation is theft

>>726362048
>stupid question

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yes

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>>726377057
No it's a free country eat shit

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>>726377057
>>726377154

I do fall under conservative for a lot of things but /pol/ and fundamentalist christians embarass me. Kind of how my more liberal friends refuse to associate with sjws

If both political extremes weren't constantly triggered and whining about persecution over everyone else's discussions, we'd get more shit done. Also, Bernie Sanders had viewpoints I disagreed with but he actually gave a fuck about this country and listened to people across different sides. It still pisses me off that Trump and Hillary weren't booed off every stage

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I remember it turning into whats essentially Stormfront v2.....

Prior to that it was not as bad, though not explicitly left wing

>>726363342
To be fair you DID say "any country", not "my country"

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>>726377057
>>726377154
>>726377539

>>726364785
This anon gets it, but I would say it was socially left (aka, the government needs to fuck off) and always economically mixed

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>>726375303
Get rid of the Hillary hat now

>>726377999
Oh shit trips the kek has spoken

>>726362048
No one ever gave a shit about politics until reddit trumpfags started flooding here.

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Been sliding more and more up/right in the last year (reading Mein Kampf may have something to do with that.)

>>726377999
Yeah I know. I used to have a pic where the hat was replaced with another bernie logo but I deleted it a while ago.

>>726378219
this. people are always complaining about how porn ruined this board but personally i find all the political shit even more annoying

>>726377575
how do you even get that far into lib/left?

>>726371283
That's because anarchism is a flavor of politics where there's no right or left. It's impossible to shoehorn it into a category. Pro gun, pro individual rights, anti-capitalist, anti-state. Equally hated by the left and right. It's an amalgamation of different ideas and ethics.

Again, it's not a race issue, it's a class issue.

>>726378585
You have the heart in the right place

>>726378880
This. Individual rights, but mutual aid instead of depending on the state and billionaires. Help each other. Most people would slot into this area if they dropped the racist garbage.

>>726362048
left wing anything is for retards, in this place we are btards and assholes, but not so fucking stupid that we start to identify with left wing ideology. Go to reddit, you'll find all the foolishness there that you crave.

>>726378880
and no brain

>>726362048
>Implying it's not

>>726379068
and egocentric