What did he mean by this?

>>726239121
Rich people aren't going to heaven.

>>726239121

>>726239121
Camel refers to a type of thick rope

God will just have to push really really hard to fit the rich people into heaven

>>726239121

>>726239121
rich man cannot achieve faith/understanding in religion/complete giving into god/faith

rich in this case = tied to worldly things(money,woman,work)

a camel can go thru needle's eye because he just grazing lazily neighbour's lawn giving zero fuck about other ppl and thus can easily dive in deeper into christianity

>>726239121
For the last two centuries it has been common teaching in Sunday School that there is a gate in Jerusalem called the eye of the needle through which a camel could not pass unless it stooped and first had all its baggage first removed. After dark, when the main gates were shut, travellers or merchants would have to use this smaller gate, through which the camel could only enter unencumbered and crawling on its knees! Great sermon material, with the parallels of coming to God on our knees without all our baggage. A lovely story and an excellent parable for preaching but unfortunately unfounded! From at least the 15th century, and possibly as early as the 9th but not earlier, this story has been put forth, however, there is no evidence for such a gate, nor record of reprimand of the architect who may have forgotten to make a gate big enough for the camel and rider to pass through unhindered.

>>726239121

what he said --> >>726239771

>>726239121
The eye of the needle is an actual place.

The "Eye of the Needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed.

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>>726239945
youre trying way too hard son..

>>726239726
>Camel refers to a type of thick rope
[citation needed]

>>726240014
>>726239945
there is no widely accepted evidence for the existence of such a gate.

>>726240014
Post proof.

Cyril of Alexandria claimed that "camel" is a Greek misspelling; that kamêlos (camel) was a written in place of kamilos, meaning "rope" or "cable"

>>726240014

No there isn't. Archeology has never found such a place. On the other hand many languages around middle east has sayings for large animals to go though actual eye of needle meaning that something is impossible.

>>726240289
http://www.biblicalhebrew.com/nt/camelneedle.htm

Probably just another of the many non literal stories in the Bible that are meant to teach a greater lesson.

>>726240373
>Is a mispelling
>reaching this hard

>>726240445
Like how it's impossinble to get to heaven. That's not literal.

>>726240602
Like how there's a heaven. That's also not literal.

>>726240373
>>726240402
>>726240014
Through history there have been many versions of the bible that translated the original texts many ways.
It could be any of these or it could have even been a play on words to mean all of the above

>>726241158
>deluding yourself to this point
Sell your shit and give it to the poor already.

>>726239121
give up all your worldly possessions and follow christ's example by serving your fellow man in spirit and deed.

>>726241455
Dubs checked, this man has the right idea.

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>>726241371
But i am the poor

>>726241158
Or it could be neither. If it was a pun or something we would have know by this point.

>>726241849
If you're posting here you're probably not by global standards at least. That said, if you're in a tough spot financially of course you don't have to donate to charity, nobody expects you to become homeless.
You could volunteer in a soup kitchen if you have some spare time and energy though.

>>726242055
Eh id rather play vidya and jerk it to loli

>>726242359
That's sinful behaviour my lad.

>>726242359
then you're not doing anything except serving yourself and your needs and thus unable to act like christ.

>>726242359
And you wonder why you're a poorfag.

>>726240373
If that was the case we would have known this by now.
Cyril of Alexandria was a rich guy, makes you think doesn't it?

>>726239121
It means we all die in the end. Equal ending no matter how greedy you live your life

>>726239121
Jews can't go to heavan

>>726239945
I heard similar except it was just a common phrase for the small door in any gate not just a specific gate.

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>>726242857
I actually believe in various religions, checkmate non atheist

>>726241849
>>726242055
im suprised that christian communes are not more common. everyone works and donates their money to the common pot from that the bills are paid. people unwilling/unable to learn or retrain to work within 6 months are sent packing with a "prodigal son" provision. the amount saved by doing things in bulk would more than make up for the losses when people loose their jobs.

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>>726242359

>>726239121
>>726242846
>>726242857
>>726242987
http://bit.
ly/2ip7fzF

>>726242359
I did that for 15 years, now im 29 fat and lonely. It is hell but im working on getting out. The longer you wait the harder it gets to go back

>>726240115
https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2010/01/04/camel-or-rope/

It's debatable but many scholars think it referred to a thick rope

God gives money to the rich and in order for you to become rich (at least faster or bigger than most) you need to do some evil things, that's how things are.

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>>726239121
For me it means that if a man is rich he is not sharing the money with the people who needs it.
There will be always people who needs help and if you are saving the money for yourself you are being selfish in some way.

>tldr, God was a comunist.

>>726239121
>The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”
>Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”
Mark 10:26-27

>>726242846
Obviously some rich guys read the bible and didn't like this bit so they made shit up. Doesn't take a genious.

>>726239121
If you are rich, buy very large needles

>>726244648
pretty much. back in that time and still today, wealth was seen as a blessing from god and not a function of skill or luck. regardless of how you got it, money has always been a privilege, and it should be seen as a burden to be hoisted onto those who need it most.
>>726244873
wrong.

>>726244944
Okay let me try again
If you are a camel, unless you are also very very small, you will never have any money.

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>>726239121
That rich people at the time didn't contribute to society, they only contributed to themselves and their own enclave.

>>726245176
Just like camels, who were so selfish that they, in fact, evolved to be too large to transgress the needle. Precisely, anon. Praise alah

>>726239121
two basic points:
1) getting rich takes a lot of time and effort so someone who did this might be too focused on the world/not spent enough time thinking about other things
2) rich people in that era got that way by violence

>>726239726
>>726240014
>>726240373
>>726242846
>The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”
>Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”
Mark 10:26-27
If that's the case why do Jesus's desciples act so shocked? They wouldn't have if he just said "oh it's kinda harder if you're rich"
If that's the case then why

>>726239121
I think he meant that OP was a faggot and that this thread is cancer

>>726245169
camels cannot own property in todays legal system, so true.

Ph.D. in Religious Studies here
This >>726239580
If you follow false gods and prioritize artificial creations of man (money), you will not get to Heaven.

Here's a better question: when did Athiests get to rename B.C. to B.C.E.?
1. B.C. has always been an abbreviation for "Before Christ" (and has nothing to do with an "era" as in "before common era", BCE)
2. A.D. has always been an abbreviation for "Anno Domini" which means "In the year of our Lord" in Latin.
3. BC and AD have always been dates signifying the date of the birth of Jesus Christ. Again, this has nothing to do with a "before common era".

Are Athiests so butthurt that they need to make up completely illogical things and have people believe BCE somehow is the same because it uses BC, yet they still ignore that date only has relevance to the birth of Christ?

The brainwashing by Athiests is deep.

>>726245176
>That rich people at the time didn't contribute to society, they only contributed to themselves and their own enclave.
>at the time
Am I missing something?

>>726245372
because back in that time and still today, wealth was seen as a blessing from god and not a function of skill or luck.

>>726245393
Richfag detected

>>726239121
Rich people will not go to heaven. I believe this is because back then the rich men boasted and used their wealth for evil therefore, God will not accept them into his kingdom. So, he means it is easier for a large camel to fit through the eye of a needle (the eye is the very end where fluid comes through) then for a boasting rich-man to enter God kingdom. But anyway, no one will read this.

>>726245405
Pole here
We call it "our era" and "before our era", it's seen as pushing it if you say "before christ".
It's all about what you're used to hearing really.
Also, please stop trying to derail the thread. Thanks.

>>726245405
PhD in Shmreligious Shmtudies here
The dinosaurs had it right the hole time look to their temples to find the answers you seek. Freeze frame every :44 of the Aristocats on VHS (only movie gallery rentals for sure work) to find their coordinates good luck little buddy hope your friccin joke of a degree actually does something useful

>>726245299
>Praise Alah
Fuck no, he's even worse. At least Jesus gave us the double golden rule (only one if you don't give a shit about god). They go like this:
>Love god and love your next
This fits better.
>726245372
To note: People in christianity go to heaven for believing and not for good acts. Good acts should be acts of sincerity of their faith, and if it isn't how can you say that they are sincere in their faith to be saved by god?

Not christian but have to deal with the subject since I live in Denmark.

>>726245773
>Not christian but have to deal with the subject since I live in Denmark.
I know Sweden has a lead on atheism, but isn't Denmark close?

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>>726239121
You can melt down a needle and/or just expand its size with heat, eventually making it possible for a camel to pass through it. A rich man can't access the "kingdom of God" because there is neither a 'god' nor a 'heaven.'

>>726245679
>I believe this is because back then the rich men boasted and used their wealth for evil therefore, God will not accept them into his kingdom.
>back then
Has something changed?

heaven is full

that's the joke

>>726243009
Because Americans are selfish and don't like any form of tax even if it's beneficial overall. They won't even pay for universal healthcare in case they (and all of their family, etc) don't get sick and "lose out".

>>726245923
Wrong again guys, I'm telling you, the idea is that for a camel to pass through a needle it has to move really fast. So, if you're rich and you want to go to heaven, you should die in a plane crash or preferably a rocket malfunction. However if none of these are available doing speed should count for something. At least be running or something. Maybe jump off a building where you can reach a high velocity? Idk I'm not a PhD in religious studies I'm sure doctor Phil can help us out.>>726245405

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>>726239121
It means "If you're rich, give it to the church/temple/mosque/etc because it's not Hypocrisy when we're rich." Just a bunch of socialist muslim bullshit that nobody ever believes.

Nobody wants to enter the kingdom of god. Because there is no god. It's all pretend bullshit. So enjoy your life, fuck bitches, and get paid, because the big black of nothingness is coming, and there's no point to denying yourself shit because some faggot in a dress who claims to have Invisible Skyman on speed dial says that you should give him what you busted your ass to get.

>>726246145
TIL: Greed is bad
Who knew?

>>726245923
if you change the needle, then it will no longer be a needle, thereby invalidating your effort. also its a parable, which is a _story_ meant to pass along _understanding_ of a concept. people like you are the reason the literal laws of the jews to allow them to go to heaven never work out, people always try to cut corners or change the meanings.

>>726245902
Yeah, but many of the values originate from christianity (Evangelical Lutheran christian values to be precise) and have given movements such as "diakonissestiftelsen" and "diakonhjemmet", which is all about serving, doing good for doing good. Our society is based on christianity when it comes to values and that we still like the rituals, they work well for us.

However, there are few Danish that believe in God, probably around 30% believe in some god definitively. Some are like "meh, I don't know" but it is not that many that believe in god.

>>726246222
>Jesus=Catholic Chuch
Just becasue they're terrible doesn't mean the book is.

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>>726246267
It's still a needle, no matter the size or temperature.
>jooz!
Jews are why you have a religion to begin with. Stop cherrypicking.

>>726243070
sports fans????

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>butt

>>726246338
Actually if you read it it's pretty terrible. There's good and bad, but when it's bad, holy fuck is it bad.

It's basically Happy Hippy Jesus vs Grumpy Old Paul. I would say ditch both and do whatever the fuck you want. If enough people don't like it, they'll stop you.

And it's not just the bible. It's all religious orgs. From the hooknoses, to the pricks who wake me up on Saturday/Sunday while fighting a hangover, to the loonies with the electronic tin cans. It's all just a scam to separate idiots from their money.

>>726246555
Checked.
What's a "whoremongerer"? I thought it said warmongers, now I'm confused.

>>726246519
well then you won't mind me burning you alive since you're still you no matter the temperature, right?

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>>726239121
If I was a rich man
>inb4 Bahda bada bada baa
I would have a huge sculpture of a needle on my grounds with a camel to ride through it

> It's all just a scam to separate idiots from their money.
i agree with you there.

>I would say ditch both and do whatever the fuck you want.
that would make you a satanist, their laws are literally "do what thou wilt"

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>>726246836
I'd mind it, but I'd STILL BE A HUMAN BEING if you managed to do so.
>why are you religious types so quick to use violence to get a point across?

Idk but it's true even if you're rich with no access to your money

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>>726245405
>Ph.D in religious studies
What did he mean by this?

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How did they even have needles like that 2000+ years ago?

>>726246555
Nice trips.

have you ever seen these assholes at bars, screaming at the tv like they have some personal stake in a group of niggers running across a field/court with balls? it's fucking ridiculous.

The players aren't much better either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW9C4qi5Y80

(I'm not even talking about the nigger part, that's a good thing. It's him acting like a fucking Faulknerian idiot man-child who's pet cricket died)

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>>726247146
Means he's a fan of nearly starving to death.

>>726247158
The bible was written 400 years later...

>that's how you know it's all true

>>726247158
>How did they even have needles
Needles were somewhat bigger back then. Obviously not enough for a camel to go through, but far easier to make.

>>726246987
the remains of one, just as you would have the remains of a needle when you change the material of a needle, besides, you're the one that brought up the ludicous idea that you can change the nature of a needle by manipulating it's shape/temperature while still calling it a needle. this is a form vs function argument and the fact that you don't get that just shows you're insincere about your beliefs.

>>726247158
They had needles 50,000 years ago.
Use google, please.
http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/news/n0711-worlds-oldest-needle-found-in-siberian-cave-that-stitches-together-human-history/

He meant read the whole section and not just a nice piece that proves a perceived point. The context around that bit of scripture continues to have disciples ask "then how is it humanly possible to get to heaven?" The answer was that it wasn't except through God and that it basically means that one cannot find salvation through materials but faith and etc.

>>726247444
Try harder faggot

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>>726247376
>turns out, heat doesn't cause metal to expand
And this is why people are leaving the church in droves.

>>726247158
>How did they even have needles like that 2000+ years ago?
What did they mean by this?

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>>726247556

>>726239121
He meant that reach people are pretentious fucks.

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>>726247276
But by this>>726246267 person's logic, those weren't needles.

>>726247556
That's not what his post said you dingus.
Never thought I'd be defending christians on the internet.

>>726239121
That Mark was a jealous faggot who had no shekels

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>>726239121
PhD in claiming to have a doctorate on a completely anonymous forum here:
The answer to this question has several interpretations:
1. OP is bait-posting to get people to disagree over a straightforward quote (UPSHOT: OP is a faggot)
2. OP is illiterate and probably has bizarre proportions from living in a dungeon (UPSHOT: OP is a faggot)
3. OP is posting on the wrong board because they couldn't wait 20 fucking minutes to hear back from /rel/ or /x/. (UPSHOT: OP is a faggot once more)
4. OP is a newfag (FINAL UPSHIT: OP IS A FUCKING ANAL CLOGGING FAGGOT)

>>726247556
>turns out i can't argue my way out of a wet paper bag
i too can stuff words in your mouth, change the meaning of a quote, and entirely miss the point of having parables in the first place. also you're entirely wrong, enough heat will make any metal into plasma.

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>>726247697
>ludicous idea that you can change the nature of a needle by manipulating it's shape/temperature while still calling it a needle
And you should return to not attempting to do so.

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>>726247689
I hope this is bait.
You're saying this isn't a needle because a metal hoop of what was once a needle isn't?
A needle is something one can use to sew things together by hand. If it looses that funcion, it's not a needle anymore. Doesn't have to be made of metal, nor be uniform size, but making one the size of a barn is pushing it.

>>726247245
Hey, that's my financial adviser from Goldman Sachs.

>>726246519
>kill them with death

im diggin it

>>726248022
I think you meant to reply to a different post, this one says you CAN'T call something like this a needle. Either that or you're a weak troll.

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>>726239121
He meant that the Donald is screwed.

>>726248364
Didn't he say he'll be the greatest president God ever created AND got into an argument with based pope Francis?

>>726239121
The Jews thought that rich Jews were blessed by God and therefore were going to get whatever maximum blessing or benefit God was offering.

Jesus came by and destroyed that lie. He went on to say that the POOR in spirit were blessed, not the rich.

That it would be impossible for a rich Jew to be saved (and indeed we saw one walk away with a heavy heart, as he would not get rid of his earthly wealth.)

Jesus' point was this: The people you think are the most blessed are impossible to save. So the rest of you, the ones who are less likely in your own minds to be saved, are even more impossible.

But with God, all things are possible.

Meaning that salvation is only from God, and not based on anything one achieves in life. Jesus told the incredibly religious people of his day that the thieves and murderers would get into heaven while they would not.

The "camel through the eye of the needle" is literally supposed to indicate something that is impossible, regardless of what you think each individual word means. Just impossible.

>>726239121
It means you should become powerful, like a politician or a religious totem rather than wealthy

>>726247908
>/rel/
That's not a thing though.

>>726248668
Gee, wonder why

>>726248348
that's what i'm saying, he's a shit troll because he's just throwing out any other meanings than reductionist or materialist thought. trying to use parables, allegories, similies are all pointless because he'll say "oh well of course roses are red, they reflect all but red colored light, but love isn't real."

>>726248603
>It means you should become powerful, like a politician or a religious totem rather than wealthy
I'll take things pulled out of arse for 300

>>726248739
But do you have a PhD in religious studies? B-)

>>726248469
The big question is : how can anyone believe in a god that would be retarded enough to create Donald Trump ?

>>726248883
Idk why was he smashing camels into needles 2000 years ago? Maybe he's special

>>726248874
neither paper nor esteem from another man, does not a philosopher make.

>>726245753
>derail
i found his post on topic (past biblical terms of origin bastardized today) and a fine example of it at that
also, not sure what your "our" means, but it seems to similarly make no sense at all

>>726239121
That rich people have a hard time entering the kingdom of God.

>>726243009

>"Prodigal son clause"

So you send them away with wealth to spend and they get to come back once it's all gone?

>>726249032
But yes from not phrasing thine sentences as not indeed a mess of backwards and confusing variety, does it yet?

>>726245753
Shutup nerd poles don't talk

>>726249173
>not sure what your "our" means
It's not "my our", I didn't invent the term.
Means something like "the people of today", nothing specific.

>>726249183
>have a hard time
You mean can't right?

>>726239945
>a
>the
>comparison
youre going to hell, just accept it, daddys boy

>>726249431
You're selling your camels short. With the right lubricant, it's doable

>>726245679
I don't think its a hyperdermic needle

>>726249213
yet, you understood it. mission accomplished

>>726239121
How the hell does this thread have 200 replies? It was answered in the second post.

Attachment to money and other worldly things are bad for your spiritual health.

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>>726249516
I have autism. You're joking, right?
It's hard to believe but I've heard stupider things.

>>726247158
>How did they even have needles like that 2000+ years ago?
This has to be a joke.

>>726249186
seems a very christian thing to do. that amount might be very small as well, perhaps just enough for your first months rent at your non-communal, private residence. and if after their time in the wilderness, they come back ready to contribute, then they would be welcome back with open arms.

>>726247268
Are you saying they only invented needles in 400 CE?

>>726246738
Atheists: pretending to be intelligent since 300 bc

>>726249795
I mean it is a quandrum, why would someone so powerfull create so much evil in the world? (evil that isn't our fault, like hurricanes)

>>726249662
If you have autism, this quote doesn't concern you because you'll never be wealthy. Or a camel, because camel autism isn't real. Or a needle, because they're inanimate objects. You should focus more on the quote about buttstuff in Leviticus because God sees what you do with your Tak and the Power of Juju McDonald's toy, and you better start repenting now little buddy

>>726249658
We're arguing whether if you expand a needle large enough to fit a camel it's still a needle, whether camel was a misspelling for cable, whether needles even existed back in the day, and whether some of us are faggots and autists

>>726250013
>whether needles even existed back in the day
http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/news/n0711-worlds-oldest-needle-found-in-siberian-cave-that-stitches-together-human-history/
YOU CANNOT BE THIS STUPID

>>726250121
Oh, I can be, and I am, and I will be until this gay 404 is no longer found

>>726250013
well if you suppose one side is pure autism then the rest of the thread is just non autists arguing with the autists. one half enjoys arguing, the other half doesn't get the argument. also i enjoy painting with a brush the size of a broom.

>>726249795
Jews: making laws to keep each other from dicking each other in the ass since the fucking Torah. And eating shellfish. Were the ancient Jews just a bunch of Red Lobster - addicted fags? I wonder

>>726250226
C O C K G O B L I N

B U T T F U C K E R

>>726250496
10/10 Shit post keked

>>726249877
hurricanes are not our fault, i agree, but i wouldn't call them evil. I think god classes evil as somethings only man does

>>726239945
yeah theres this clip on youtube somewhere where a black pastor explains it too.

>>726250734
It's a large animal passing through a really small hole. It's not that hard to realise it's supposed to mean "impossible"

>>726250654
This was all me >:D
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>>726244873
I hate /b/

>>726239121


EYE OF NEEDLE WAS THIS HOLE IN A WALL. IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR A CAMEL TO PASS BU NOT IMPOSSIBLE. IT'S NOT LIKE IT SOUNDS

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>>726250907
He made hurricanes
Hurricanes cause horrible things
Conclusion: God caused horrible things
You can't argue with that.

>>726251048
CALM DOWN BILLY MAYES

>>726239771


BULLSHIT. RICH MEN ARE ALREADY IN HEAVEN SO ONLY POOR PEOPLE WILL GO TO HELL. THAT IS WHAT HE MEANT

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>>726249658

Why do so many christians worship wealth and celebrate greed as a virtue ?

>>726251089
But if it weren't for hurricanes my daughter Katrina would be the only disaster of my life..
Mistakes into miracles sempai :')

>>726251048
Not true. There is no archeological proof, nor do we know why an architect would make such a retarded gate.
How about this, rich blokes read the bible, this part made them look bad, so they made shit up?

>>726251167
Oh they dont

>>726239945


SO EVERY SMALL ATE OR HIDDEN ENTRANCE IN HISTORY HAS "DOCUMENTED PROOF"? WHAT ABOUT THOSE HOLES IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS THAT ALLOWED PEOPLE TO GO IN AND OUT? ARE THOSE DOCUMENTED? OR THOSE HIDDEN PATHS THAT ALLOWED THE 300 TO ENCIRCLE THE PERSIANS? DOCUMENTED?

>>726251239
to
>>726249662

>>726251128
I LIKE THE CAPS LOCK GUY HE REALLY PACKS A WOLLOP WITH HIS EXTREME ASPERGERS

>>726239121
Makes sense in Aramaic
An alternative linguistic explanation is taken from George M Lamsa's Syriac-Aramaic Peshitta translation2 which has the word 'rope' in the main text but a footnote on Matthew 19:24 which states that the Aramaic word gamla means rope and camel, possibly because the ropes were made from camel hair. Evidence for this also comes from the 10th century Aramaic lexicographer Mar Bahlul who gives the meaning as a "a large rope used to bind ships". (cf. http://www.aramaicnt.org/HTML/LUKE/evidences/Camel.html)

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>>726251340

>>726251263


NO PROOF THAT THOSE HIDDEN TRAILS THE 300 USED EXISTED BUT WE ACCEPT IT AS FACT...SINCE..YOU KNOW...THEY ACTUALLY USED THEM TO FIGHT THE PERSIANS.

>>726251371
NO ONE EVEN CARES WHAT YOU'RE ON ABOUT SO STOP BEFORE YOU HAVE AN ANEURYSM TRYING TO USE YOUR TROGLODYTE HANDS TO SMASH OUT ANOTHER UNGODLY SENTENCE YOU OBTUSE FOOL

>>726251089
horrible does not mean evil.
Look, an accidental car crash when a tyre pops and the car swerves of the road and runs into people and people die, thats horrible ( although on this board some anon will want the video to fap to.)
Someone deliberately driving into a crowd of people, ( lets say a muslim in a truck of peace) now thats evil

>>726251371
Why would we assume that's the case then? Because some (rich) guy said so?
Also, if that's the case, why do the desciples act so shocked after Jesus says this? This wouldn't be the reaction if he said "it's kinda hard but no worries"

>>726251413


THANKS BUT YOU BEING POOR AND UNEDUCATED YOU WILL ENTER THE GATES OF THE EYE

>>726239121
God wants us to shoot up smack.

>>726251635
HEY IM ONLY HALF OF THAT INSULT YOU INACCURATE SONOFABITCH

>>726251601


LISTEN 12 YEAR OLD OBESE BALDING IDIOT....EVERYTHING YOUR MOM TELLS YOU IS A LIE. NO WOMAN WILL LOVE YOU AND YOU WILL BE HATED SO IF YOU TRY SUICIDE GET IT RIGHT.

>>726251616
Anons point is that accidents such as car crash are accidents to us but not to God. God can prevent accidents. But he chooses not to. By deliberately not preventing horrible events when he can is a kind of evil.

>>726251502
Hey Christianity doesn't mean we're Republican. That's a different kind of retarded. Correlation ain't causation baby

>>726251630


THE DISCIPLES WERE UNEDUCATED FISHERMEN. NO RICH MAN TOUCHED THE BIBLE UNTIL KING JAMES YOU DUMB FUCK

>>726246519
What is up with that picture, is it saying Christians should kill their kids? If so all of them are taken way out context

>>726251749


IF HE DIDN'T WOULD HE HAVE MADE OPIODS SO DELICIOUS YOU FAT FUCKING RETARD

>>726251930
AND HE COULD AFFORD VERY BIG NEEDLES THANKS FOR VALIDATING MY POINT I TRIED TO MAKE EARLIER
>>726244873

>>726251502
Christianity believes in charity - not the forced redistribution of wealth.
Why can't libs ever meme correctly...?

>>726251616
>bringing muslims into this
This is how I know you're either American, alt-right or baiting.
Let's say you can stop said truck magically, harming nobody and saving a bunch of people.
Doing so would be good right?
So, if you could stop hurrican matthew, that would be good too, since you'd save a fucktonne more people.
So that would be good too.
Yet God doesn't seem to give a shit.

>>726251890
fair enough, i concede my argument. Well done anon

>>726251890


YEAH BUT HE ALSO MADE KATY PERRY'S TITS.

>>726251798
SHE DIDNT LIE ABOUT THE TERMINAL CANCER LOL

Sure all of you guys clearly paid attention in church class faggots, which is there is something even scarier than 9/11 and that was Osamas big fear of girls. Yeah he was a lanketfag who was scared shitless of girls and therefore had to get ideas from Eric harris aka the colombine school shooter on an aim chat where they discussed terrorist attacks which is where Osama got the idea of 9/11. So yeah rich guys cant get into heavan because of this reason. Fuck aryans Nigga

>>726251890
NOPE IT'S ALL PART OF HIS PLAN

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>>726252063


YEAH BUT NOTHING WRONG WITH HANGING WEALTHY PEOPLE ARE RAPING THEIR KIDS. JESUS DIDINT SAY NOT NOT TO NOT NOT DO THAT EITHER,

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>>726248874
That'd be me!

>>726252063
>Christianity believes in charity - not the forced redistribution of wealth.
Look at OP's picture and then tell me why Donald Trump is an exception.

Literally just that it's hard for rich people to give up their wealth (if that's required) than for poor people.

Elsewhere is the story of the poor widow who gave all she had to live on (two pennies) but Jesus said gave more than all the rich people who contributed far more money. Not hard to give up all your wealth when it's 2 cents. A lot harder to give it up when you own say 2 million.

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>>726248883
Not to mention creating the entire Roaming Catholic Church just for the praise and lulz.

>>726252072
Britbong, labour voter and not baiting, joking a little, but not baiting. And if you read this post >>726252103 you will see i conceded the argument.
I don't like evil people like the muslim in the truck. I do in fact like the muslim in the corner shop who sells me my cigarettes, newspaper and cans of baked beans

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>>726239121
lets look at the textual context:
A rich man approached Jesus, asking him how he can enter the kingdom.
Jesus tells the man that he must abandon all of his world possessions and follow him and his teachings.
The man cannot let go of his earthly possessions, and so wanders away downtrodden.

So in essence, one must be willing to let go of all their worldly possessions and comfort for the sake of following God.

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>>726239121
>What did he mean by this?
>he
"He" who? Jesus? Well, considering he didn't exist and is just a mish-mash of whacko Palestinian rebel preachers who were popular among the little people at the time, "he" didn't mean jack shit because "he" never said it.

>>726252553
>hard
You mean impossible right? It's not "hard" to squeeze a camel through such a small hole.
>Elsewhere is the story of the poor widow who gave all she had to live on (two pennies) but Jesus said gave more than all the rich people who contributed far more money. Not hard to give up all your wealth when it's 2 cents. A lot harder to give it up when you own say 2 million.
Are you reading some American reboot? Jesus said the woman gave more because she gave a high procentage of what she had. Meaning the rich guys in his eyes gave fuck all, since they could give a lot more and still be confident in never experiencing true hunger.

>>726252624


I WANT ONE OF THOSE POPE PARKAS

>>726251502
Um, socialism is when the government takes my money to do those things. Republicans do these things voluntarily at higher rates than Democrats. Have you seen the folks my government gives my tax dollars to? They aren't hungry, thirsty or naked.

Wasted time on the troll, I did...

>>726252874
Yes, to both of your points.

It seemed so obvious it was actually kind of hard to describe but you did a good job.

>>726252870
Ooooh, edgy little poof aren't ya

>>726252063

Right wingers worship wealth and celebrate greed as a virtue.

That clearly puts them at odds with Christ's message.

>>726252803


COME ON SILLY KIKE....YOU KNOW THAT'S YOUR RELIGION KABBALAH FAGGOT

>>726253032


SHHHHHHH....THE WHITE FOLK ARE HERE

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>>726251616
>horrible
>evil
Pick both and be proud, MuriKKKa! Real proof that there is no loving god.

>>726252870
Atheist here.
Jesus was very much real, or though we can't really know what was really said by him and what was made up by his deciples. (I'm looking at you Paul)
I'm on mobile so you'd have to look it up yourself, but there was some greek tourist who wrote about him, other guys as well I think.
Obviously no evidence for miracles, but we know there was a preacher called Jesus in that area.

>>726240276
>theres widely accepted record of a camel going through an eye of a needle

>>726253204


THAT YOU KIKE...ERRR... I MEAN "ATHEIST"

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Samefag

>>726252727
>joking a little, but not baiting
MuriKKKans think that's the same thing. That's why they love Milo Genderbender so much.

>>726253204
there were a few called jesus according to the romans, but i can't provide proof of this so don't bother believing me

>>726253372
Learn to post. Holy shit how does one fuck up this bad?

>>726253204
>Obviously no evidence for miracles

Actually tons of evidence, might want to check your facts. Some are even within the gospel itself. Why did the Jewish leaders pay off the guard watching over the tomb when the penalty was death? Just saying you can't make such a blanket statement without addressing some tough questions that point to some miracles having occurred.

Why say that Jesus turned water into wine at a party or that God's spirit descended on him like a dove or that he rose up to heaven in front of such a large crowd when it would be so easy to dispute? Why not say he appeared to one person privately as Mormonism and Islam do?

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>>726253372
Nope, only one of mine

>>726253592
>Some are even within the gospel itself.
You shouldn't use the Bible as evidence for the Bible being true, since one can do that with almost every text, religious or not.

>>726253553
You falsely presume I was being retarded on accident? Heh, newfaggot

>>726239121
Y'all Christians guna be butthurt when Fenrir arrives.

>>726253419 look at >>726252727

It says i'm a britbong, you dense muthafucker

>>726253729
But, in the case of Luke, who was a historian, you can.

>>726253729
and what proof have you that common sense is true?

>>726253883
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>>726249662
I'm serious.

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>>726253592
>miracles
>facts
So maybe jet fuel *can* melt steel beams! Inshallah.

>>726253876
not (You) but just gonna add that book of acts is a chronology of the early churches actions.

>>726253204

>there was a preacher called Jesus in that area.

Jesus (actually Yeshua) was a common name -- it's the equivalent of Joshua in modern English speaking countries. Of course you are going to find people with that name in history.

Second, being a traveling preacher performing miracles was a common occupation at the time. The biblical stories of Jesus are likely an amalgamation of multiple different preachers of the time. Jesus wasn't one person, he was a smattering of legends that all were attributed to a single person.

>>726243009
Because communism doesnt work

>>726253959
what are you trying to say anon?
That i'm autistic?

>>726239121
Eye of the Needle was a gate into Jerusalem that was extremely narrow and there hard for a beast laden with goods to pass through.

as with anything else context sheds a lot of light on misunderstood concepts.

>>726253985
Fuck, he looks evil

>>726253592
>Why say that Jesus turned water into wine at a party or that God's spirit descended on him like a dove or that he rose up to heaven in front of such a large crowd
More people would've mentioned it then don't you think?

>>726251890
This is why you should FEAR God and obey him.

>>726253985
At what point did you discredit the miracles mentioned? Are you trying to disprove something?

>>726254088
Jesus disagreed.

Why would Jesus invent communism if it didn't work?

>>726254057
>Jesus (actually Yeshua) was a common name -- it's the equivalent of Joshua in modern English speaking countries. Of course you are going to find people with that name in history.
Yes that is right.
>Second, being a traveling preacher performing miracles was a common occupation at the time.
mmm hmm.
>The biblical stories of Jesus are likely an amalgamation of multiple different preachers of the time. Jesus wasn't one person, he was a smattering of legends that all were attributed to a single person.
you lost me.
Anon, that's like saying that Plato was an amalgamation of philosophers at the time since philosophy was a common practice.

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>>726254274
Don't forget to tithe.

>>726239121
"Submit to the state"

>>726252870
no shit Jesus didn't say it, mark did faggot.

>>726254118
There is no archeological evidence for that.
I mean think about it, why would an architect make a creation so retarded?
Also, if that's the case, why do the desciples act so shocked afterwards? That wouldn't have been the reaction if Jesus said "yeah it's kinda hard but no worries, most people will manage"
What actually happened was some rich folk read the Bible, didn't like that bit 'cause it made them look bad, so they spread these rumors. Then people like yourself chose to believe in them because it gives you an excuse to be greedy.

>>726239945
Grew up hearing this kind of shit. It's non-sense. It's just an expression from the time. Why should anyone feel like they truly own anything in this life.

>>726254387
ho man that's some godly bait.

>>726254477
>>726254454
Oh look, Americans came back from work.
This thread was splendid before you arrived, you know?

>>726254174
Why would any historian mention something as small as a wedding party or an impromptu baptism? Regardless you have 4 separate accounts in the gospels themselves which all say the same thing independently. As the bible says, even if you saw him raised from the dead himself you wouldn't believe. The problem isn't with how much proof there is but with your willingness to accept what proof there already is.

>>726239121
It means religion is for peasants.

>>726254410
not really, Plato was well known and regarded by more than 4 people in a book . No other book at that time mentions a Jesus king of the jews

>>726254761
>4 people mentioned a man performing miracles, it must be true
Do you know how many Americans claim to be abducted by aliens each year?

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>>726254339
>miracles
supernatural events
>facts
natural events

Certum est quia impossibile est.

>>726239121
When you take more Jan you need you stole it from somebody else.

If you have in excess of 1.5 million USD worth of cash you have too much.

End of story, don't lie/cheat/steal from good people because when you reincarnate as a stalagmite it was your own fault.

>>726254454
bible does not say he needs money.
Tithe is optional, not required. The bible never says that not paying the tithe guarantees hell or anything close to it. As was said in Hoseah 6:6 "for I (God) desire mercy and not sacrifice." God wants a christian transformed in the heart, not someone who does acts of kindness in the hopes that those shitty rags of "works" will somehow redeem them.

>>726255060
Oh great, the American sjw's are here to ruin a good thread

>>726254410

We have contemporary accounts of Plato's existence, but there are no contemporary accounts of Jesus' existence.

It ultimately doesn't matter of Plato existed or not because Plato's teachings don't hinge on his divine authority.

I would say that it just means that if you die rich (meaning that you didn't give your wealth to the good of everyone else), then you won't get into heaven because you were selfish.

>>726254516
>be me
>jeruselem archetecht
>ned to make it so that camels can come in durring nightfall without allowing invading armies to enter the city
>what if i make a tiny entrance that allows only 1-2 men through at once, thus allowing camels through
>no armies can successfully storm that small a gate
think about the history for one second anon.

>>726255445
didn't work as the Romans had already invaded and taken Jerusalem

>>726255445
I'll take "Trojan horses" for one, please, Alex.

>>726254919
Are there 4 separate, independent accounts of the same person being abducted? If so that would lend a lot of credibility to his story.

100 single accounts of different people all being abducted....not so much.

I can tell you really want to disprove the gospels, you just can't quite do it.

>>726255322
>contemporary account
so if i write in a .docx that jesus was real, he would be?

Think about it, who actually claims to know Plato? As far as i am aware, only a supposed enemy of his (that could be made up), some books he supposedly wrote point to him existing, though never explicitly state it, and only accounts of him existing are his supposed students (kind of like the apostles) who may have just been politically motivated to create a false person for reasons that are unclear.

tl;dr:
>I can exclude any number of sources as credible if you can excuse 4 anon.
>Plato was made up, its all a conspiracy.

>>726245405
A lot of good that education did you. Try physics in your next life if you don't come back as a rodent.

>>726255695
>>726255893
Romans invaded through main gates, camel gates would have been difficult if not impossible.

You need to remember that there were rebelling Jews at the time as well.

>>726256244
not to mention thieves.

>>726255963
>I can tell you really want to disprove the gospels

Not him, but disproving the gospels is trivially easy.

The Gospel of Luke places the birth of Jesus under the reign of Herod (37 BCE - 4 BCE) - "In the days of King Herod of Judea..." (Luke 1:5) and links it to the census of Quirinius.

There are major difficulties in accepting Luke's account: the census in fact took place in AD 6, ten years after Herod's death in 4 BCE; there was no single census of the entire empire under Augustus; no Roman census required people to travel from their own homes to those of distant ancestors; and the census of Judea would not have affected Joseph and his family, living in Galilee.

We've known the Gospels are false for quite some time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius

>>726254937
Luke mentions an entire book of facts. Once a historian has been proven right so thoroughly, it lends credit to the rest of his claims.

>>726256151
>so if i write in a .docx that jesus was real, he would be?

Were you alive 2000 years ago? If not then I don't think you know what contemporary means.

>>726255191
You are forgetting Micah. Bible endorses a bunch of shitty things.

>>726256520
what about the rest of my argument anon. aren't you forgetting that?

>>726255445
Archeologists can't find any evidence for such gates, not only in Jerusalem but as a concept.
We know for certain Jerusalem had regular gates wagons could go through so what's the point?
Face it, you just want this to be true because you want to keep the moral high ground while refusing to follow Jesus''s teachings and give your welt to those in need.

>>726256565
provide the verse pls.
Also the book of micah is OT, we are talking NT.

>>726256244
So, these gates that camels find hard to get through, hence the verse, are suddenly easy for camels to get through

>>726256871
>Face it, you just want this to be true because you want to keep the moral high ground while refusing to follow Jesus''s teachings and give your welt to those in need.
Ad Hominem.
>Archeologists can't find any evidence for such gates, not only in Jerusalem but as a concept.
perhaps they were lost with time?
>We know for certain Jerusalem had regular gates wagons could go through so what's the point?
good point. My greentext was just providing an alternative view on why they might have had the camel gates.

>>726256812
The rest of your argument is based on your not knowing what contemporary means.

No one wrote about Jesus during the time of his supposed life. The earliest accounts of Jesus were written decades after his alleged death.

You also don't seem to understand that it doesn't actually matter if Plato existed or not -- he could be a fabrication and nothing would change about the value of the ideas attributed to him. The same can't be said for Jesus since he claimed that his teaching had divine backing. If Jesus didn't exist, the ideas of Jesus no longer have any divine authority behind them.

>>726257101
I was talking about armies trying to storm in through one of these weaker gates. It would be like a choke-point and the army trying to invade would have many casualties.

>>726255445
You forgot the rest of the argument. It doesn't really matter if such gates make theoretical sense (they don't >>72625687 ) if they didn't exist in the first place and the rest of the story (literally the next sentence) doesn't match your claims.
Just stop with the greed and help folk okay?

>>726257504
Meant to go to >>726256871
I hate mobile phones.

>>726239121
I guess it's better to live modestly then to be rich.

Seems pretty simple to me no need to complicate it.

Right guys?

>>726256369
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius
Ah yes, I see now that you merely quoted a Wikipedia page lol. Laughable, but admirable nonetheless.

The conclusion drawn on the same page, which you conveniently neglected to include, is that Luke made a mistake, not that the entire account was somehow "disproved".

Again, you reallllly want it to be false, but the facts just point to it being true.

>>726257456
I know, i was taking the piss and trying(but failing) to bring it back on topic of OP

there were no needles back then

>>726257370
>No one wrote about Jesus during the time of his supposed life.
because he was right there
>The earliest accounts of Jesus were written decades after his alleged death.
this is a myth. The earlies mentions were in the pauline epistles, written around 50 years later. well within the lifetime of witnesses to his life, death, and ressurection.
>...he could be a fabrication and nothing would change about the value of the ideas attributed to him
so what about jesus' teaching to "love thy naeighbor as thyself" and suchforth? are those invalid since his backing might not have been divine?

also i g2g to doctors apointment to check out epididymitis i may have.

>>726258026
Fuck. all this time in this thread and nobody thought about this. We are dunces aren't we

>>726257722
Richfags will always find an excuse.
Hell, Donald Trump calls himself a Christian.

>>726257504
>Just stop with the greed and help folk okay?
ad hominem
>It doesn't really matter if such gates make theoretical sense (they don't >>72625687 ) if they didn't exist in the first place
fair enough
>and the rest of the story (literally the next sentence) doesn't match your claims.
mayhaps.

>>726257832

If Herod was already dead when Jesus was born, then what about the story of Herod ordering the deaths of young children? Most Christian children are taught this story but it must not have happened.

If the gospel authors are unreliable on such basic facts, why believe what they wrote on anything else?

>>726258221
>calling yourself a christian
>being a christian
pick one

>>726258026
>>726258205
Earlier in the thread I posted a 50,000 year old needle from syberia. Just ctrl+f needle

>>726258093
> decades
> 50 years
So 5 decades aren't enough then

>>726245405
oh

>>726258328
how do we know that the dates were off?
I wont beleive it untill 10 scholarly peer reviewed sources all agree on it.
It could be a fabrication anyways.

>>726258328
Wasn't Herod's son also named Herod?

>>726258475
and if you look up to>>726258205 you'll see i posted sarcasm

>>726258684
I have autism,this happens a lot.

>>726258495
what about oral tradition anon?
It can be rather reliable at times. Like nursery rhymes that started long before books on them were written, and which remained long after with little to no alterations in the decades before their being written.

>>726258495
I now g2g, deb8 you l8tr

>>726256988
Read it yourself bitch and Christianity is a Jewish cult. Do you not understand where you came from? Jesus is a result of the Old Testament.

>>726248541
oh yeah I remember that the guy said he wasnt a sinner, something similar and Jesus told him to give all his belongings but the Jew prefered the earthly wealth.

>>726258783
special reeeeee for you anon

>>726257301
>>726258093
So are you admitting you're wrong or what? You can't just say "yeah maybe" and shrug it off.

>>726239121

He means rich men should make giant needles and force camels to walk through them if they want to go to heaven.

>>726258892
A cult is:
>secrative
>difficult to enter
>difficult to leave

A religion is:
>open to public knowledge
>easy to enter
>easy to leave

Christianity was a sect of judaism certainly, but not a cult

g2g got to go to doc.

>>726239121

he means earthly wealth and green make your ego so large and heavy you can't slip into heaven, the spiritual realm, because your soul is too bogged down by earthly pursuits.

>>726239121
So many edges come out whet Yeshua is discussed. Y'all can't prove God does not exist, You may argue we can't prove he does. There is more evidence for him than is against him. However, a wicked & adulterous generation desires a sign, and none shall be given, save the sign of Yonah......

All signs & evidence are moot. You are either asleep or goat....you choose the easy wide path or the winding narrow one. No one is begging y'all. His testimony stands on its own. We all know the truth, there is no pretending, only denial.

Just remember, the king comes quickly and his reward is with him......judgement is begun, not much time to decide which side you wanna be on......

>>726239121
The eye of the Beadle refers to a gate in Jerusalem which was small and not very high. I canal is very stubborn so it is hard to make it bend down so it's hump can fit underneath the gate. The sentiment is that being rich can be a distraction form God and it is hard to have money and God. However this was at a time when most rich people were evil and got rich from abusive and extorting others and the idea of improving your lot in life wasn't really realistic. Today rich people work hard to manage wealth and increase their wealth and many rich people In America became rich through hard work because they immagrated here with almost nothing.

>>726259009
Yes i was wrong about gate, i was just providing a perspective either way though.

Ad hominem was not appreciated though.

>>726239121

The 'eye' of a needle is the hole that the thread goes through. See, 2000 years ago needles looked entirely different to the way that they do today, and that hole was approximately the size of an olympic grade hoola hoop. Its a bit of a squeeze, but a camel could reasonably force his way into such a hoop.

>>726258941
Literally the part that started this thread anon. It's like a sentence or two earlier.

>>726258802
> nursery rhymes
You mean those made up things?

>>726251930
Now that is some nice preaching there almost made me cry lol.
I used to want to preach to friends that worship death, while drunk you cant imagine how those preachings turn out.

>>726247245

i like how they reconstructed his face based off a relic that was later proven to be false.

>>726247513

why does he need to try harder? He easily found proof to win the argument. You lost. Just accept that you're wrong faggot.

>>726259190

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>>726257504
This has been said all throughout the thread and has been proven wrong each time. Ctrl f gate
What happens was a lot of rich people didn't like that bit so they spread misinformation. Then a lot of greedy people found it useful.

>>726258592
There's plenty of thorough research out there for you. Historians have spent a long time looking into this stuff and you won't have trouble finding scholarly articles. Your religious leaders won't want you to look into this stuff though.

Maybe take a chance to stop and ask yourself why you're so willing to believe accounts of magical miracles but you demand mountains of evidence that a gospel writer story wrong. Maybe you should apply the same level of skepticism to magic, but only if you want to be intellectually honest.