Yoohoo

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>>726174696
wow you're like 4 years older than me

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>>726174969
scales I'm younger than you, that's not what 27 club means

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>>726175027
then what the fuck is it

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>>726175088
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club

>subby is older than scales
also not tru

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>>726175142
you're not a popular artist though

>>726175154
git outta here

>>726175263
ur fake news

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>>726175263
No, but I intend to die like one.

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>>726174261
Meh, active but not really doing anything aside from a picture a week. Nordguard will never be finished and for that I'm saddened. Right now I'm on a Truegrave kick so it could be worse.

My man. I've got a fistful of dollars downloaded and I'm probably going to snuggle up with some vodka and revel in it for a couple house.

Learning one to a decent level isn't as hard as everyone makes it out to be. Once you get basic muscle memory down and you focus on getting consistently in-tune notes out it's only a matter of improving the eccentric skills like you would muscles in a workout. However I do understand your plight.

oreganolli

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>>726175346
have you ruined your credit with hundreds of thousands in student loans yet

>>726175311
ur gey

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>>726175661

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>>726175661
I have no student loans.

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If you have debt and you know it clap your hands

*clap clap*

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*silence*

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>>726175703
you're not ruining your life properly

>>726175740
*heavy applause*

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>>726175904
Right. My life is fine and easy.

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I just paid off my car so I have no debts.

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>>726176039
Luckily I only have around 12 months of enslavement left

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My debts are in good spot right now so I'm not worried about them.

>>726176063
no debts many regrats

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No debts here!

99 problems but debts ain't one.

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>>726176168
only 3k
i gotta pay it off before I can re-attend.

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>>726176123
I suppose you didn't quit your job then?

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>>726175551
Fistful is a good'un fer sure. A lot of the spaghetti western stuff isn't for me though, like the John Wayne stuff or Wagon Train.

Maybe I'll buys a marine band harmonica or something.

>>726175740
I would clap my hands if I weren't wringing them around a towel.

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That was a surprising turnout. I expected more debt.

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>>726176235
no, but i want to every day

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>>726176358
every day I want to drop out of school, chug a handle of rum and shoot myself, but we carry on.

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>>726176063
When was the last time you saw your sister?

>>726176135
You're so selfish. I guess I'll just have to do all of your worrying too.

>>726175740
Got none.

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>>726176464

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>>726176415
If I could work part time I think i'd be much happier.

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>>726176123
Is that the "hot" kind of enslavement?

>>726176226
Damn that's harsh. Guess it works as a strong motivation to study hard, to avoid failing and paying more.

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>>726176415
Or, alternatively, you could stay in school, chug a handle of rum, and shoot everybody else.

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>>726176636
No it's the 'you go to jail if you don't pay' type.

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A friend of mine says I'm crazy because I eat trash.

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>>726176347
We're all fiscally responsible.

Or perhaps sitting on your PC looking at furry porn all day doesn't invite many opportunities to ruin yourself financially.

Unless your appendix explodes. Sorry zac.

>>726176624
I want to work 3 days a week, make enough money to pay for a cozy apartment in a part of philly that's not absolute ghetto, and have enough left over to do fun things once in a rare while.

I don't think I'm going to have all of those things.

>>726176643
I'm not interested in going for the high score.

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>>726176636
Yeah I'm not too worried about it, I can get debt forgiveness once I'm working in the career.

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>>726176778
Did you tell him that eating trash is the only sane thing to do?

>>726176795
It's not about the high score, not everybody who runs has to go for the Olympic gold, they can just jog around the block and get lost in the scenery.

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>>726176795
I could legitimately do that but all my extra money goes straight into loans. I'm only a few months away from net wealth.

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>>726177192
If I'm going to do something heinous I'm going to do it right.

>>726177230
Move to philly once the debt's paid off.

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>>726176699
Don't worry. No jails for you.
>yet

>>726177006
What career?

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I wish being unemployed could be a career choice.

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Evening everybody

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Pretty sure you can't go to jail for 99% of personal debts. That might change soon with the way thing are going, but for now you can't really go to jail.

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>Apparently you're just doing this thing where you suddenly decide to fuck with me.
>You are such a weirdo.
Why does he say such hurtful things?

>>726177192
I did, and he doesn't believe me. I think he's the crazy one.

>>726177483
Hi Bunnihuns. Is that morning or evening?

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>>726177362
EMT, also goes a long way toward working in ERs and assisting surgeons/doctors when u have experience

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>>726177482
Dye your skin brown and move to western europe and it is.

>>726177531
Debtors prisons were abolished almost 200 years ago

>>726177553
Maybe you should kill him. And once he becomes trash, you can feast. You must.

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>>726177801
God wills it.

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>>726177358
Philly sucks though

>>726177531
Also it takes a really long process to get to the point where that's even an option

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>>726177701
Largely. They are still a thing for certain debts. Child support, not paying fines, etc. They are also indirectly enforced in some ways (some fines you won't go to jail for, but those fine debts suspend certain rights that make it likely for you to go to jail).

I'm sure we'll find a way to reinstate them back with our current voting demographic.

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>>726177913
It's the best city ever, also I'm here.

>>726178038
Right, it still functions indirectly because the power to imprison and kill underpins all law by necessity.

>I'm sure we'll find a way to reinstate them back with our current voting demographic.
What do you mean?

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>>726177618
Technically its 10:15pm here

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>>726178206
It means he thinks there are a lot of ignant mofos out there in the voting base.

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>>726178206
There is one thing that will sway my opinion.
Is there fiber internet?

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>>726178477
Like fios? Yeah.

>>726178429
I don't know how ignorant voters leads to debtors prisons. The ignorant are often the indebted.

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>>726178661
You say that like people vote in their own interest.

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>>726178661
I'm sold

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>>726178785
Statistically they do vote mostly for their short term interest. Nobody votes for long term interest because we can't really see the future.

>>726178799
Dope, let's rent an apartment and turn it into a sex dungeon.

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>>726178206
It is not necessary, ever, to put people in jail for things they cannot quantifiably pay -- especially when that "necessity" is used in a severely inconsistent, adhoc manner.

We have a significant segment of the U.S. voting base that continually proves they have a inability to think things through or utilize reason to any notable degree, with a disproportionate amount of power given their notable lack of qualifications in general. I mean, we're still putting people in prison for weed, won't take much to convince the people in the last election that debtor prisons are a good idea.

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>>726178942
How much is rent?

>>726177652
Saving people and getting to rock the EMT look. Nice!

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>It's wrong to beat a person to death with a stick.
Sounds like someone isn't a fan of Ol' Hickory.

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>>726178661
>I don't know how ignorant voters leads to debtors prisons. The ignorant are often the indebted.

A lot of ignorant people also happen to have a high number of health problems (compared to other populations), that in fact lead to debt. Didn't stop them from voting a certain way last election.

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>>726178966
There is a necessity for the law to demonstrate it is capable of meting out punishment. Otherwise it has no legitimacy.

The vast majority of Americans are in debt of some sort, and people aren't quite as idiotic as I think you think they are. What politician could run with the reinstatement of debtors prisons on the platform? It'd be approximately as politically suicidal as advocating the obliteration of social security.

>>726179349
I don't know what that's apropos of. Is the implication that the ACA was good for those people?

>>726179037
Fucking expensive, it's philly.

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>>726179550
What about the suburbs? Give me a number.

>>726177482
Get a sugar daddy.

>>726177483
Hunnibuns!

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>>726179662
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/philadelphia-real-estate/What-does-it-cost-to-rent-a-one-bedroom-in-Philadelphia.html

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>>726179732
Interested?

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>>726179768
So pretty similar to what I'm paying now assuming split equally

>>726178314
Nice, I have Ben Franklin's morning. Or 5am if you prefer.

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>>726180000
I suppose so. Nice quads.

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>>726179037
you can pay rent in weekly taint licks

>>726179550
The law also needs to exercise its power in a manner that won't harm its credibility. Needless punishment reduces that, especially when you punish people for not doing things they cannot logically do in the first place.

I don't think the vast majority of people are idiots. It just happens those that are have a disproportionate amount of power currently.

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>>726179129
Man, I could go for some hickory smoked bacon.

>>726179550
This is a tangent, but what do you think about the ACA and the outlined replacement from the current administration?

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>>726180094
what's your plans for after school?
I need to start selling some stuff on craigslist. Too much junk.

>>726180213
that's not a thing

>>726179955
I can barely afford myself.

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>>726179732
y u ignore me

>>726180488
Too much junk inside your trunk?

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>>726180488
It could be. If the price is right.

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>>726180444
Right? I love bacon of all kinds. Except Turkey bacon. That is a lie.

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>>726179053
more like I deal with those kind of situations well, clearly.
but yeah the uniform is a plus too.
right now I just make tacos.

>>726180623
Because Firefox mobile eats dick.

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>>726180094
>>726177652

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>>726180623
WEMMMMMMERS

>>726180777
nice trips

>>726180655
I don't mind turkey bacon. I'm not even a huge bacon fan but it sounds good right now.

Also this http://www.vulture.com/2017/03/sesame-street-introduces-first-muppet-autism.html

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i drew up underwear for my new line of underwear for kinky fucks

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>>726180842
Ooh lucky day.

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>>726180213
Well we can differ on the degree of enforcement that's strategically viable. Debt forgiveness does exist. At the same time there're deadbeats who elect not to pay their debts when they're capable of doing so and in those instances you need an enforcement mechanism that has teeth.

What precisely makes these people in the first place stupid and in the second disproportionately powerful?

>>726180488
I don't know. My job write now is mundane IT, and I am also a teaching assistant. I have qualifications to do something. It's just a matter of figuring out what.

I'm a fan of getting rid of stuff.

>>726180444
The ACA is a garbage fire. Its replacement is a slightly smaller garbage fire. The system of insurance we had prior to the ACA was, you guessed it, smoldering trash.

The health industry requires deregulation, not government apportioning OR mandate (or stealth mandates, as in AHCA).

>>726180777

right now*

fucking orthographic phonological typos

>>726179768
izzat houses or like apartments god damn

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>>726180907
Off limits, you and Zac keep going for it but the fish is not for sexual.

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>>726180772
no i text you and you never say mew back

>>726180781
ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddev!

>>726181112
oh hey wem when did you get here

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>>726181011
The fish can't do anything about its impending rape.

>>726180993
Apartments. I know, it's mad.

>>726181011
but I wanna nibble on fishdoge

>>726181170
just got here

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>>726180892
Is it invisible underwear?

>>726180907
Deregulation? In what way? Are you against the pre existing condition stuff?

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>>726181185
>>726181207
D-do not touch.

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>>726180632
Too much junk in the drawers

>>726180907
Figure out your $$/job situation I guess.

I'd like to get things down to where i can pack most everything in my car, and at the very most fit everything in a small uhaul.

>>726174826
Fucking fags, where's the mods when you need them.

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>>726181185
we're paying 400 for the 3.
it is kind of crazy in perspective yes.
>>726181237
oh ok
hi wem

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>>726181364
in ur drawers?

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>>726180848
>A character with austism
Gross.

>>726181297
*touch*
>>726181291
what kind of gay shit are you posting in my CHRISTIAN CHAT!!!!!

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>>726181425
hi Katia
what up duder?

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>>726181291
there's definitely something under, but not much wearing

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>>726181291
So for example the fact that in its current state, insurers don't actually compete across state lines. The system of monopoly this produces is TERRIBLE for reproducing a quality product.

Preexisting conditions should not be covered by an insurance service, that is insane. It is like calling an insurance company to buy a plan when your house is already on fire. The business model can't work if they cover preexisting conditions.

>>726181364
I'll keep you updated. And there're so many things I need to get rid of as well.

>>726181425
Median income is probably substantially lower

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>>726181524
I am soiled ; ;

>>726181576
>>726181633
I spy with my little eye, two sexy faggots

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>>726181656
I actually need to make a list of stuff for renters insurance purposes, it'll help a lot with finding shit i need to get rid of.

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>>726181112
Never got it. Last text I got was about the sombrero kitty.

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>>726181656
yeah oregon is also awful in that, and high unemployment on top of that.

>>726181670
dont worry, you will get used to it

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>>726181912
No one will ever love me now.
You've ruined my life.

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>>726181795
wew!

>>726181866
oh. yeah i never sent a mew. my bad.

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>>726181524
It's not gay, I actually don't believe in the concept of gay.

>>726181656
As a further question then, do you think the state is obligated to provide medical care to citizens in need?

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>>726181795
bananaman, what do you think of my new line of underwear?

>>726181985
I think you did a good enough job of that doll

>>726182044
what DO you believe in?

>>726174826
Why is it on fire?
wtf is wrong with you?

>>726182009
I'm too kind
>>726182092
D'uh, what underwear? :p

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>>726182103
That is true.
No one would ever love me in the first place anyway, there was no net change.

>>726182009
Whore.

>>726182044
Gay.

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>>726182044
No, because it's not very good at it, and state entitlement services have a very bad habit of growing constantly and cannibalizing the things that would compete with them. You can look at the VA for evidence of this in the health industry.

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>>726181576
nothin drinking bad beer, watching animus and shitposting.

>>726182246
just get really really good at something
like succ

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>>726180907
>Its replacement is a slightly smaller garbage fire.

There is no way you can logically and rationally assert that at this point, without being completely dishonest or willfully ignorant. There is no model where the current proposed plan ends up being better than the ACA. It will not happen. You would need to literally warp reality with some kind of god like power to get the current proposed law to actual work in any meaningful way as well as being *better* than the ACA.

Hell you don't even need to worry about expending the energy thinking about it, if it's too much: every single facet of the current proposed law has been tested in some form and has been met with abysmal failure. The ACA on the other hand, is largely a success (despite some governor's and senators efforts) because it was thought out and implemented with the feedback of industry experts and even the public over the course of a year.

Claiming the health industry needs deregulation is also incredibly historically ignorant, as it was deregulation that currently lead to this mess. Such claims also are basically a big red flag that you've never worked in any capacity in the health care industry. You're literally just repeating a talking point that is complete bullshit. It's a cult mantra at this point that requires you to ignore all evidence to the contrary. Insurance companies are a primo-example of some of the worst run companies modern history has to offer, in every capacity: from efficiency to ethics.

Stop with the unmitigated bullshit and actually think things through. Holy shit.

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>>726182228
its definitely under, but no wear.

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>>726182358
As the succ master you will have to teach me.

>>726182300
what animus

>>726182452
step one, give succ
step two, give more succ

Hunter x Hunter was really exhausting to watch.

Plot and characters were both great, but the length and amount of unnecessary stuff was overwhelming.

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>>726182103
Living slow and dying slightly after middle age.

>>726182263
So you're not a more of a libertarian or anarcho capitalist then?

>>726182439
D'oh I just realized that was the joke >.> I'd say it looks good on you, keep me posted with upcoming products

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>>726182228
the best of kind!

>>726182250
es true. i had a nice pretzel in kentucky.

>>726182300
what beer you drinking? I had this beer that was good. was called Country Boy Blond Cougar Bait

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>>726182544
Thanks, I'll practice up sometime.

>>726182369
>the government health plans wont cover more people unless the government spends more money and makes it illegal to not have it
>offering something else is a bad thing

>>726182596
good plan.

>>726182657
Mean kind
Does that term exist?

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>>726182621
thats the only product, my company has succeeded, got addicted to a substance, abused the power, and went bankrupt from the lack of general repeated sales. all in one day, too, a new record.

>>726182369
Well, he's not necessarily being inconsistent in thought if he doesn't think that the government is under an obligation to treat citizens for healthcare, and that it should be wholly outsourced and separated even in cases of mortal injury. I don't agree with that, and think it's impractical, but under that process of thought I can see how the new revisions would be better if only because they're closer to a completely unregulated market.

>>726182657
>country boy blond cougar bait
You picked it up for the novelty didn't you?

and its like, michelob amber bock or something
would not reccommend, its got dark but no flavor or bite. kind of irony.

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Fucking Firefox!
Lost all the text I typed!
>Snarf
Homo!
>Katten
Faggot

>Brit
Lucky

>>726182670
im here to help, aaany time

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>>726182685
You cannot mathematically cover people -- illness or not -- without a sufficiently sized risk pool. It'd be far more efficient to break down these risk pools and completely ban them, but GUIMMIT IS BAD memes.

>>726182952
Welp, guess the only way out now is prostitution
Who am I fooling, you'd do that for free ;p

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>>726182369
My assertion that AHCA is slightly less awful than the ACA is based on the lack of a mandate primarily. The mandate is functionally a subsidy to insurance companies. Surely if you think these companies are terrible at everything you wouldn't want to force me to give them money. And indeed I agree that health insurance companies are terribly run, which is an excellent argument for promoting competition in that industry; efficiency is not going to come about by doling out pork to awful organizations.

Ironically, I have worked in the health care industry before. That's not apropos of anything though.

>>726182973
It's not like we just let people die on the streets regularly in America, the emergency room exists for a reason. And expanding medicaid (one of the major results of obamacare) does not cut down on emergency room visits in any case so it's pointless.

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>>726183076
I didn't choose that!!
Fucking Firefox update!!!

>>726183076
Firefox mobile needs to die.

>>726182685
The individual mandate is to force the young and healthy into the pool so that the pre existing condition clause can exist. The young and healthy need to pay into the system so that the old and the otherwise infirm can get coverage. Prices are spiraling upward, true, but they have been for decades. I think that a single payer option would probably lead to better health outcomes, as it's a pretty tried and true system at this point in plenty of first world countries.

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>>726183078
You're a good not-friend.

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>>726182777
idk maybe D:
sup

>>726182987
that and it was like the only local beer I would see anywhere. all they fucking serve there is PBR, Busch, Heineken, etc.
idk if I told you, but I found Dead Guy ale there and got a couple bottles. fuckers wanted like $7.50 or $8 for a bottle.

>>726183076
weww <3

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spreadsheets are boring

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>>726183385
and you are very not cute

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>>726183149
i do it for free, but only to people I trust. im not a general public whore. i dont think i even am a whore to most people i trust anyway, only a select few.

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>>726183532
I know.
I should just kill myself and hope to be cuter in the next life.

>>726183357
>I think that a single payer option would probably lead to better health outcomes, as it's a pretty tried and true system at this point in plenty of first world countries.
1. those systems are obscenely bloated and are not sustainable. The NHS in the UK is in the process of failing.
2. In those countries where the system has not yet collapsed, you see demographic realities that are drastically different from those in the united states; Scandinavia, for example, does not have the ENORMOUS and persistent underclass that the states does, that would accelerate the calamity of that system
3. Canadians cross the border to get surgery here for a very good reason.

>>726183178
The point is that if people lack healthcare coverage they will not go in for preemptive care, which is mind numbingly cost-effective compared to repeated emergency room trips, which also result in worse care results. So if you think the government is morally obligated to care for people who are critically sick, like in the emergency room, just not insuring people with preexisting conditions does not get rid of them or not make them sick, they will still be in the healthcare system, just in a more expensive and overloaded part of the healthcare system where they will have worse outcomes.

>>726183416
Choking chicken so hard I think it's dying
Sup you
>>726183534
You're making this seem too real, we're only joking around about this right?

>>726183680
to bad there isnt a next life, or id advise it

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>You are crazy because you think about very special episodes of 80s sitcoms.

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>>726183715
>>726183357
The discussion is very simple.
You can get really awful near worthless coverage for everyone that eventually goes bankrupt.
OR you can get good coverage for the vast majority of people that gets them what they need.
Leftists only care about the number of people covered, not what the coverage does.

>>726183416
sounds cute, any good?
and yeah rogue is very pricey outside local areas.

>>726183792
right but the point I made is that there's no evidence that expanding medicaid as a service increases peoples' usage of preemptive care; what it actually does is get people to go to the emergency room more because they think they're covered. You can't enforce healthy decisions and forward thinking.

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>>726183178
>The mandate is functionally a subsidy to insurance companies. Surely if you think these companies are terrible at everything you wouldn't want to force me to give them money.

I would have to ignore they are largely the only politically empowered organizations that are able to care for the vast majority people at the moment. Removing the mandate is removing care, just to appease largely ignorant people's short sighted egos and greed, and ideological narratives. The real solution is to just bypass the insurance companies completely. I look forward to the day these companies are a fraction of what they are now.

>>726181112
How ya been cheebutt?

>>726183468
Oh hey I like that song.

>>726183680
Not a bad idea.

>>726183715
I mean, the United States had some pretty abysmal healthcare outcomes compared to dollars spent in all the developed nations, and that was before you can go pointing fingers at the ACA. And it was a national embarrassment that people with preexisting conditions couldn't get coverage, because it was making unprecedented amounts of people declare medical bankruptcy. I don't think it was all so rosy. The ACA is also not doing a great job, but I think that it has in a big strokes kind of way been an improvement, increasing the risk pool. But I do still think a single payer option would be better. I'm not saying there should be no private healthcare, you can get private healthcare in the UK too, it's just opt in.

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>>726183821
yeah, even imaginary me isnt a prostitute, i'd just off myself, you know after i have sex with the cooked turkey at the fancy restaurant.

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>>726183821
wowee!
i am just laying around.

>>726183958
who cute who any good?
i guess the whole state has a ban on alcohol on sundays. you cant buy it or sell it and its so fucking stupid its hilarious.

>>726184285
been pretty fantastic this last couple of weeks!how you doin bb gurl?

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>>726184301
it's quite catchy
but the Ruminations version is just a bit better

also hello it has been a minute

>>726183945
I mean, you can say this, but one of the few things that the ACA has done that can be considered wholly good in my opinion is putting regulations on policies EXACTLY BECAUSE a lot of coverage plans pre-ACA "covered" people in explicitly predatory ways, and people would still need to declare medical bankruptcy because they weren't covered the way they thought they were.

>>726183991
You don't think that people having healthcare makes them more likely to seek preemptive care than when they're not covered? Not even a little bit?

>>726184418
haha I meant you're catboi ale or w/e its called
that's weird, I've heard some states do that not just southern either.
Fuckn weird easterners.

>>726184285
It removes coverage from people who ~do not want to pay for health insurance~ because they're making a balanced appraisal of their situation and determining that that is not a wise investment. I find your willingness to toss out that choice very short sighted. Particularly because, as mentioned, it BOLSTERS the insurance companies that you claim are disastrous. And you're right, they are, but the ACA has no way of resolving that situation. It contributes to the problem.

>>726184301
We didn't have a competitive system of health insurance prior to the ACA, that's why I said originally that what we had before that would be terrible.

>>726184623
>You don't think that people having healthcare makes them more likely to seek preemptive care than when they're not covered?
Not to a statistically significant degree.

>>726184372
I've had sex with some weird things myself... A robot toy raptor and two water balloons are only some :p
>>726184418
I shall join you shortly, am tired af >_>

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>>726184792
i mean, i tried shoving a sausage in my ass.

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>>726184474
Forcing insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions is like making fire insurance companies pay out to people that buy the insurance after their house is burning. The ACA doesn't work and insurance can't work without the ability for competition in the free market and not forcing them to take care of preexisting conditions. Otherwise it's not insurance, it's a money bank so you have to subsidize them to make up for their lost profits which is what the ACA does by forcing people to buy coverage. It's designed to fail so that leftists can blame the private insurance and swap to government controlled health care. The best model for this is Sweeden that you can opt in for more health care, but the model has only worked that well in the much smaller countries that are much less diverse in terms of culture and class.

>>726184967
Gay.

>>726184967
That'd be more common than you think... I searched for gay hotdogging on pornhub and all I got was men shoving hotdogs up their asses >_>

are you people seriously implying that people deserve pay 100% out of pocket and most likely die purely because they were either born with a shitty disease or got cancer

what

am I still on Earth 1 or did I get warped to a parallel?

>>726184432
Maybe two or three minutes. I don't have my watch on me.

>>726184678
What changes to the system make the proposed new plan by the new administration better than the one that was pre ACA, then? I agree the ACA isn't good, I think it's basically a terrible approximation of a single payer system, at the whims of insurance companies. But the alternative of leaving people not covered isn't an acceptable solution in my mind. I don't want to live in a country where people get sick and then bankrupt their entire families. We did that for awhile and it fuckin sucked.

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>>726184983

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>>726185182
i don't either.

i havent worn a watch outside of work purposes in like a decade

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>>726185187

>>726185157
yeah the only alternative to government control is people dying from all preventable disease.

>>726184671
lol oh yeah. it was pretty good I wonder if i can find it around here.
yeah it's weird. for a state that fucking has Liquor World, Super Liquor Mart, etc all over the place they sure like to pretend they are good and christian?
they had these billboards that say like "Jesus cries for the 100000 babies murdered from abortion every year".
it was fucking great.

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>>726185028
>>726185112
it was funny when i did it, but then sad cause i could have eaten it.

lmfao

>>726184983
Insurance on a house isn't the same thing as insurance on a life. It's sort of silly to make the comparison. You say free market, but unless you're talking anarcho capitalism the government will have to play a regulatory role. We're arguing to what degree they play that role right now. At least argue in terms that are on topic.

>>726185401
I'm sad cause I didn't get to see any cock-glute grinding action

>>726185367
oi the two examples I gave aren't really preventable

>>726185497
lemme try lookin some up

Why Syrup?

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>>726185182
The new one is better only because the mandate is gone. It's still not good, like I said. I don't think any of the three things we've tried are the correct option, and I know for absolute certain that single payer is not a good option because it is unsustainable elsewhere - it leads by necessity to care rationing, disincentivizes people from participating in the industry and so forth. The correct answer is liberating the market as much as physically possible. Again, there was not a free market if health care prior to the ACA.

By the way, that principle doesn't just apply to health 'insurance'. It applies to health 'care'. There's a reason the most lucrative parts of the health service industry are the extremely unregulated ones...and those are also seeing their costs decrease in meteoric form as time goes on. This is better for everyone. The instinct to say "well we need to care for everyone" is well intentioned but shortsighted.

>>726185576
My hero

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>>726184678
>because they're making a balanced appraisal of their situation and determining that that is not a wise investment

That's an extremely loaded statement, considering historical data over the last 6 decades from the U.S. -- as well as basic human mannerisms. People avoid preemptive care because of costs. Excluding the elderly, there's a pretty significant cross section of illnesses and ER visits that happen because people can't or refuse to go the doctor because of costs.

> it BOLSTERS the insurance companies that you claim are disastrous.

I'm pretty sure the ACA reigns the insurance companies in multiple ways. Capped profits (still no where near they way in a previous time), forces them to cover certain illnesses, preventative care, and preexisting conditions. It's a largely superficial take on what single payer would look like. The ACA is a compromise between doing what is logically and ethically right, and not starting an outright political war between these organizations who are politically empowered (thanks to the upstanding people who represent them) and the government.

Not sure how any of that contributes to the current problem, when it really seems like the ACA is in fact winding the insurance companies down. Meanwhile the current proposed legislation...

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[rrerrs internally]

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>>726185632
found one

xtube /video-watch/Kitten-Butt-28821631

no where near what they were in a previous time*

wew boy I need to go to bed

>>726184792
ugh dude why do i never see your replies?!!?

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>>726185820
w...why is the dragon doing that... what could it mean

>>726185263
I only got one for Christmas this year. I only wear it at work but it's nice, I like it.

>>726185367
Depends on the level of government control. With literally no government control, that is actually unironically the exact thing that would happen. The free hand of the market isn't really that big on ethics.

>>726185628
I don't see how deregulating the market as much as possible leads us somewhere positive. Why should international corporations have the final say in the health outcomes of a nation? Deregulated healthcare seems like a pretty spooky prospect for people with pre existing conditions and the poor and working class.

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>>726185157
Hard cases make bad legislation.
>>726185182
>What changes to the system make the proposed new plan by the new administration better than the one that was pre ACA, then?
Trumpcare sucks, it's just the ACA with some stuff stripped away.
It's basically as bad.
>>726185456
It's not silly to compare the two, health insurance as a business is more or less fundamentally the same as fire insurance. You pay them just in case something happens, and they make the risk calculation that on the whole people will pay them more than they would have to use to fix the people's houses that do burn down. Same with health insurance, they are betting people will pay more in premiums than they will have to use over the time they are covered. If you knew the house would be burnt down ahead of time it is a bad idea to make that bet.
The government will have some roll, but both the ACA and trumpcare are over-reaches. The smaller the government the better, trying to interfere with things like the ACA does not work and is just an entitlement program that deepens the wellfare state.

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>>726185603
I am syrup the melty vaporeon. You will eat your waffles after I melt all over them.

>>726185862
Dude I literally saw that video earlier today lmoa
>>726185979
You tell me! I'm just glad I'm not being ignored cause no one can stand me :p

>>726186115
Oh.

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>>726186050
my brother got me a watch for christmas too actually, with my college logo on it

very nice

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>>726184418
Pretty guuud. Changes abound, and all of them good, needed changes. Glad to here everything is going well

>>726186117
lol im not that mean.
so whats this video matty showed you?

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>>726185980
he wants the succ

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>>726185634
As I mentioned, people aren't more likely to seek out preemptive care when they become insured under an expansive government umbrella. We cannot enforce good decision making, it's not possible or viable.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/19/more-evidence-expanding-medicaid-increases-emergency-room-visits/

The ACA takes more freedom away from both the consumer and the insurance companies, while also effectively redistributing money from the consumer to the insurance companies. That is ass backwards retarded. Yes, the insurance companies now have to reckon with preexisting conditions (this is very stupid) but they also get money from perfectly healthy people for no reason (this is even stupider) so they become progressively less likely to actually fail. Indeed, this makes those companies intractable. It is a worst of all worlds solution.

Single payer is a terrible, unsustainable idea that obliterates innovation and long term health outcomes for the short term altruistic satisfaction of making sure everyone's "covered" without concern for whether they're actually healthier which, I imagine, is the objective of health care.

>>726186050
Look at entirely elective parts of the medical industry - things like plastic surgery or laser eye surgery. The costs of these things have plummeted at the same time that the quality has skyrocketed. That is why you deregulate.

>>726185862
Oh god, I thought you meant to show me that twinkle tush video... ._.

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>>726186115
thats kinda hot

>>726186262
Hotdogging video, that I thought was something completely different cause the link messed up or something :P

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>>726186257
what sort of changes?

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My friend is talking about his divorce again.

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>>726186117
there's literally only 2 on the entire site that doesnt have hot dogs nor dildos.

seems like a minority fetish.

>>726186365
huh wait what, i have no idea whats going on anymore

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>>726186431

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>>726183350
It needs to get its shit together

>>726183416
FAG
Sup?

Hot, Fresh and Clean
I love hot showers

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>>726186455
hotdogs are ok sometimes. like a really nice sausage is good mmmm

>>726186470
oh :c

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>>726185375
yeah the double standards are real but at least they vote the right way generally
sry poor response cat sleeping on me

>>726186504
I didn't paste link properly and this showed up http://www.seeker.com/twinkle-tush-adds-bling-to-your-cats-butt-1770020732.html

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>>726186551
It's because he has to talk to her, and he is pissed off about that.

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Oh, apparently she is a really stupid cunt.

>>726186546
watching the tele. i like a nice warm shower.

>>726186597
pics of cat pls

>>726186668
that sucks butt

>>726186551
You know it~~

>>726186527
oh baby

>>726186077
I guess I'll agree to disagree, otherwise we'll have to get into government size and welfare state and a whole bunch of barnacles.

>>726186245
Oh, nice. Now you can impress people with your class symbol.

>>726186276
I don't think I can have a conversation with you if you are going to compare largely elective surgery domains to national healthcare. I just can't do it.

>>726186822
Like, I knew she was stupid, but all this shit he is telling me wrinkles my brain with how stupid it is.

>>726186822
I like to drown in hot water
So you can pass out and die

It covers the life insurance policy rules
Natural, In home normal house accident

But that's me

>>726186893
gives me a sense of pride

>>726186834
bbq sausage is best <3

>>726186901
give some examples

>>726186893
Why ont?

>>726186893
That's pretty much where it goes since the two sides fundamentally want different things. Like I said it's simple, one side wants coverage for everyone at the cost of hurting the individual. The other wants to empower the individual, but loses coverage for everyone.

you know the order those letters were supposed to occur in

>>726187059
at least you would be comfy.

>>726187117
I'm not picky with sausages

>>726187127
The thing is longitudinally the side that empowers the individual is best for everyone since the extension and reinforcement of competition in the marketplace produces cheaper and better goods (healthcare services are a good). Do not concede the idea that collectivists even understand what's best for the collective in this instance.

>>726186633
what the h*ck

>>726187117
She didn't realize that cars needed oil changes more than once "every few years or so."

>>726187203
i doughnut like those vegan sausages. they make my tummy sad.

>>726187300

>>726186822

>>726187283
oh my

>>726187278
You tell me
>>726187287
I exploded a sausae in the microwave once

>>726187371
what a waste of a god sausage

>>726187371
mine was xtube lmao

>>726187444
trips confirms

>>726186276
Such problems are notably only issues with the U.S. It's a culture and process problem. Even now some doctors will send you to the E.R. based on coverage -- because you attempt to go these primary care doctors and they will literally turn you away. I'm not exactly shocked by the findings -- more shocked that the article didn't even give a single hint about this problem in the U.S. Even more shocked they tried to attribute it to a free lunch mentality. Doing some light googling, it appears other states didn't really see the same sustained effect. And as far as I can tell, it surely isn't a problem in other countries with single payer healthcare.

>but they also get money from perfectly healthy people for no reason

Hint: It's to pay for the sick. You have risk pools, those risk pools needed to be financially seeded.

> unsustainable idea that obliterates innovation and long term health outcomes for the short term altruistic satisfaction of making sure everyone's "covered" without concern for whether they're actually healthier which

Obliterates innovation how? By making the system more efficient without needless overhead? U.S. research isn't going anywhere, with or without single payer, so I'm not sure what you could possibly be referencing.

>>726188427
Regardless, the evidence shows that there's no reason to extend centralized healthcare from a cost effectiveness standpoint, at least not in the US. If you propose and execute a way to fix what you describe as a culture and process problem, then that perhaps would justify spending taxpayer money on what has so far proven to be inefficient.

I know what the purpose of ripping off the healthy is. I am telling you what the other effect of it is - it entrenches toxic and inefficient corporations. It is literally the enforcement of a bad business model upon the wallets of the taxpayer. That's insanity.

U.S. medical research outpaces that of virtually any other country, although that leadership is declining somewhat - not coincidentally since the implementation of the ACA.
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/4233/u.s.-slipping-as-global-leader-in-medical-research.aspx

It should be obvious to you why handcuffing any industry to the government stifles innovation, though. There's no room for competition and the risk taking associated with investment is therefore disincentivized.