How is your gender a choice if being gay isn't?

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Being gay is a mental illness and choosing your gender is also a mental illness.

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>>726061367

I thought your gender wasn't a choice and your physical body is separate from your gender.

Or at least that's what is being claimed. I don't even know anymore.

>>726061620

No and yes.

One is in the DSM, one isn't.

>>726061367
gender =/= sex
just like
tree =/= gender
please google gender.
also
4chan is an 18+ website

>>726061627
Sex isn't chosen, gender is. Sex is purely biological whereas gender is societal.

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>>726061627
more or less.
Baffles me when people say they're a choice. Why anyone would 'choose' to be either? It just makes life hard.

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>>726061798

Better topic why am I meant to care about this? Why is this a conversation piece? If you're talking about civil liberties, across the board these people have the same rights.

Are they fighting for the right to not be made fun of?

>>726062004
They're faggots who think only gay and black lives matter

>>726062120
I mean, is that not true? Pls anon stop being straight and white already.

>>726062120

I think that's too reductive, but there's a nugget of truth in there.

>>726062004
you don't have to care.
i don't care.
shouldn't be a government issue.
if a private company wants to have a gender-less bathroom, then go ahead.
i personally think that trans people are being given special treatment in this bathroom thing.
it should be either gender-less or based on sex.
if you want to make it a gender-less bathroom, i'm all for that.
if you want to let only Trans people pick which bathroom they get, that is special treatment.

>>726061798
>Sex is purely biological whereas gender is societal.

Oh please fuck the fuck off.

>>726061367
Weeding out the tumblr faggots. Smart move OP.

>>726061693
Asperger's Syndrome isn't in the DSM anymore. What is it now if not a mental illness? Nothing? Serious question though. What happens to all the "discontinued" mental illnesses?

>>726061367
Gender has been co-opted by the left for a catch-all term for personality

>>726062431
>shouldn't be a government issue.

This. But it was an election cycle, and libs must create the situation where it's they, the defenders of the downtrodden vs. the evil racist/sexist/etc. republicans. Election's over, so that idiotic issue dies until the next round. Trans are a tiny part of the population, but people made this issue out to be like another civil rights movement. Unnecessary. You have a dick, you shit in the men's room. Don't have a dick, you don't shit in the men's room. It's really simple.

>>726062431
It shouldn't matter who goes in what bathroom. Just go in, piss, and wash your hands. It's stupid that people are making a big fuss about it.

BOTH are choices. Gay/straight, and gender

>>726062431
Pop a squat in whatever bathroom you want. If anyone has the balls to check between your legs, kick them right in the dick.

>>726062760
>It shouldn't matter who goes in what bathroom.

Then it shouldn't matter if we just kept things the way they were. Thousands of years of the sexes using the bathroom in private, and all of the sudden in 2016 it's this life and death issue. 100% manufactured.

>>726063000
Your ignorance is a choice.

>>726061367
Have you forgotten? Nothing means anything, and there is no such thing as Truth.

>>726062431

I guess if public bathrooms aren't taken as seriously as racism or nuclear war, then that's a microagressional signal to the rest of society that it's okay to curb stomp a trans person.

>>726062651
Asperger now falls under the autism spectrum disorder, so you've just been downgraded to a normal autist

>>726063030
yeah.
manufactured by the religious conservatives.
the private industry has handling it just fine.
letting trans people choose.
nobody had a problem with that.

It isn't. People who transition to the opposite sex have a mental disorder to do with the structure of their brain, and transitioning is the best 'cure' we have right now.

Anyone who claims to be non-binary or gender fluid is making an unscientific claim and they are probably also mentally ill, in other ways.

>>726061367
>Is gender a choice?
No, either you got a hotdog or a taco.
>What about mentally?
Yeah have at it. Go wear a pink dress I don't give a fuck. But don't pretend to be retarded to your REAL gender.

>Is your sexual orientation a choice?
Yes and no. Some people for their whole lives will go for the same sex, while some choose midway into their lives to change.

>Are SJWs and feminists annoying and need to stop bitching?
100%. Nobody cares who you are and what type of special you are. The world will never change just because you think it should because "ME ME ME PLEASE NOTICE ME!".

>>726063168

Oh please, the entire issue was created by libruls to fill their need to have something else to bitch about during a campaign cycle.

>>726063051
If I said I identify as a raccoon, I'd be commited. But if I say I am a gender other than what I was from birth... somehow this is NORMAL?!

Did people just get fucking retarded in this country or what!?!

>>726063200
>People who transition to the opposite sex have a mental disorder

>mental disorder

Yep. And by making victims out of them the left has normalized their insanity. Personally I feel the same way about religious people. Believing in a magical sky wizard, demons, ghosts, eternal happylands in the sky, these are all insane things to believe. Yet they are tolerated as normal just because so many people believe them.

>>726063303

raccoons aren't a protected class of the left. trannies are.

>>726063271
lolno.
for the past 2000 years, trans people have been choosing to go in whichever bathroom they wanted.
then religious conservatives started to say, no.
we want you to go in your correct bathroom.
that is when the liberals got upset.

>>726061367
It's not a choice. Too many fucked up people have been convinced they do not need to accept reality.

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The whole idea of saying gender is a personal identity makes no sense in terms of language. "girl" and "boy" are informal terms for young females and males. It was never supposed to define a separate classification.

What if you grew up in a society that had no separate words for gender? What if all people were called "male" and "female" regardless of age, and that's it? How would you know how to "identify" yourself? It would be very clear what you would be called, based on your physical characteristics.

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>>726061798

>Gender is Societal
Are you stupid?

>>726063427
Did you even read what I said? They have mental disorders, and transitioning is the most effective way they can be helped. What you call 'normalising' is actually 'treating'.

>>726063824
It's not, considering the suicide rates is nearly as high after surgery and hormone as it is before. If it "treated" them, they wouldn't kill themselves massively.

>>726061798
>Sex is purely biological whereas gender is societal
Why were all biological girls considered girls and all biological boys considered boys if they are completely separate?

>>726062651

It isn't in the DSM V but it's in the ICD-10, so it's still a diagnosable disorder within the Autism Spectrum.

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>>726063824
>>726064023

>>726063680
what is so hard to understand about gender?
sex = biologically born a male or female
gender = what you FEEL like (man or woman)
i am a man trapped in a womans body
i am a woman trapped in a mans body
its not LITERAL. (for the retards.)
it is how they feel.
most of society has acknowledged this as semi-normal for 1000s of years.
most of society may not have accepted these people but they acknowledged that these people existed.
is it mental illness? probably
has society kind of accepted it but thinks of it as fucking weird? sure.

hermaphrodites:
they are born both male and female...biologically
they can choose to be called male or female...gender wise.
just like biological males can choose to be called females......gender wise.

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>>726064400
>is it mental illness? probably

>>726061810
>>726061953
>turbo cringe

>>726064713
if you are born a man and you feel like a woman, there is something clearly wrong with you.
just like if you are born a man and you get rock hard thinking of another man penetrating you, there is something clearly wrong with you.
but we as a society have chosen to accept you anyway.
just like albinos.

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>>726064400
>sex=male or female
>gender=male or female
>thinking the way you FEEL makes a difference=mental illness

>>726064400
When were you born, fucktard? Because this optional bullshit definition of gender is new to the scene. Your generation just loves to make shit up to comfort yourselves and then go around telling others there is something wrong with them for not agreeing with you.

>>726061798
Its simple, why do people struggle with this.

I was born with a penis. I neither feel like a man nor a woman. I feel like me. Does that make me genderless? No... because I still have a penis.

>>726061367
millennials just get gender and sexual preferences mixed up is all. there's a difference between "i have a penis, i have a vagina" and "i want to fuck men, i want to fuck women, I want to fuck both or i want to fuck neither"

they harp on like it's the most important thing in their lives when honestly they have more important shit they should be worrying about

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>>726064400
>>726065200

dubs checked

>>726065200
hey dumbass,
gender has existed for as long as trannies have existed.
most of the world has been using sex, the trannies are the ones who use gender.
again....retard.
sex =/= gender.
gender has always been a choice.
sex has never been a choice.
trans people understand this.
they know that they were born either a man or a woman...sex.
they FEEL like the opposite sex....GENDER

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How about this: "transgender" people should be encouraged to step up, come out, and use whatever bathroom they please. Then, we take that 1% of the global population, and exterminate them. That way we can resume not giving a fuck.

I'm fine with LGBT. I'm fine with transgenders. But this Genderfluid shit makes me want to die. "I identify as a demiqueer kamisexual non binary foxkin polysexual trans-man and my pronouns are "xhe" and "xer". If you misgender me, you're oppressing me and I am not afraid to sue you for the cis white male you are."

If you're Genderfluid, either kill yourself or get therapy for your mental illness.

gen·der
ˈjendər/
noun
1.
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
"traditional concepts of gender"
synonyms: sex
"variables included age, income, and gender"
2.
GRAMMAR
(in languages such as Latin, Greek, Russian, and German) each of the classes (typically masculine, feminine, common, neuter) of nouns and pronouns distinguished by the different inflections that they have and require in words syntactically associated with them. Grammatical gender is only very loosely associated with natural distinctions of sex.

Here's your proof that gender is a social construct. It's in the fucking definition of "gender".

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>>726065796

>>726066016
Gender
Synonym; sex


Sex and gender are the same

>>726066016
yup.
only retards think that gender is a biological term.

>>726066016
>it are true
>i edited the wiki myself

>>726063489
>past 2000 years
i'm gonna require a sauce to back that up

>>726061953
I fucking love traps n shit but this makes me sick

>>726061367
But having gay sex is a choice?

>>726066016
This is /b/. I shall neither be swayed by evidence nor logic. A word is nothing but the meaning attributed to a sound. When enough people agree a sound carries a certain meaning it often either alters the former definition or becomes a new word. Until recently all my life everyone referred to gender as being what sex you were born as. So to me and nearly everyone else thats what it is.

Pluto is a planet. So good day to you (gender of your choosing).

>>726066843
Not in prison

>>726065627
but wait
how do they know how a person from the other sex feels like?
that's impossible by any means
also, by claiming they are a different gender, they say that they don't feel like their sex, but that's impossible bc that the only way the felt
for example: i can't claim to be a cat, bc I can't ever understand what it's like to be a cat
so the logical mistake?
do you need a better expanation?
also, why are most of the internet trans community underage people?

>>726066740
do you honestly believe that trannies barely started taking shits in the females bathroom?

is being gay a choice.
i want to be str8

>>726067046
you can claim to be a cat.
if society wants to acknowledge it, that is an entirely different thing.
society has acknowledged that there are people in this world that truly believe that they were born in the wrong body.

>>726067072
Female and male bathrooms only came with modern plumbing, do you really think people dug 2 holes to make 2 gender outhouses?

>>726067118
yes it is.
i thought i was too for a good coupla years

>>726062651
Pluto isn't a planet anymore. What is it now if not a planet? Nothing?

The ways by which we classify and explain phenomena are constantly being modified in accordance with our understanding. This is no different.

For whatever reason, this tends to rustle everyone's jimmies.

is sexuality really a choice?

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babbys first troll thread

Nice one OP, you made me reply...

>>726061953

>girl's penis
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>726067072
>ask for proof
>provides no proof
;^)

>>726061367

That's like asking "how is liking apples a choice if being black isn't?"

>>726065796
lmao spit out my drink

I may be white on the outside but im really black. Im racial fluid.

>>726067227
society shouldn't do that
did you know?
i fell like i was born a king, not the citizen of a republic
i demand my own state fundend kingdom, if you decline you are a cis-communist pig

>>726067686
Same, sometimes I feel like a Nigger (like right now when I'm saying this so it's not racist) and sometimes I feel like a Chink (I'm asian right now, still not racist!) and sometimes I feel like a plain old white guy.

You can't call me racist REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>726067396
>babbys first troll
You must be new here

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>>726067227
Otherkin are valid too

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I feel that my gender is an A-10 Warthog. Phhhrrrrrrrrrrbbbbbtttt

>>726067782
>society shouldn't do that
how about you don't tell society how to act
society will act however it wants to act.

If you take a cats brain and replace a humans brain with it is the end result a cat or a person. The answer is neither. Its a human corpse with a dead cats brain inside. Call things what they are people!

>>726067824
New for what? For reading a failed attempt to make a troll thread about genders? Fuck off, "oldfag".

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Instead you could go visit s.n,a.p,c,h,a.t.y(,)me to fap to your ex-gfs nudes.

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>>726067955

Look at me, killing muslims and sandniggers and shit! It's what I was made to do, so you can't call me racist! It's who we are as Warthogs! It's our culture! Don't you dare deny my culture!

>>726068014
>how about you don't tell society how to act
>society will act however it wants to act.
you do know that many many bad things happened and are still happening bc societies are behaving like they want, not how it would be the smartest
>current examples
turkey becoming a dictatorship
poland becoming a dictatorship
any civilian war out there
trumps election
drug wars
ratio should be the leading force of a society, not feelings (but feelings shouldn't be too far away)
>question left?

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>>726068404
c-c-can i touch your massive penis?

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>>726068471
>Implying Trump's election was a bad thing.

FOUND THE LIBTARD!

>>726068635
BRRRRRRRRRRT!

>Means you can lick my barrels in my cultural tongue.

>>726068471
if society wants a dictatorship then let them have it.
they will suffer the consequences.
if they leader wants to attack The US.
let it.
The US will just respond by nuking them.

>you do know that many many bad things happened and are still happening bc societies are behaving like they want, not how it would be the smartest
>then cites dictatorships as the reason why societies shouldn't be able to have a choice
>dictatorships
do you see the retardism in your post?

>>726061367

Because a dick is a dick and vagina is a vagina. Congrats on putting yourself into debt to earn your useless liberal arts degree. I hope you grow up one day and learn to be an adult like the rest of us.

>>726068686
just bc i don't like trump it doesn't mean i am a libtard or a hillary fanboy
i don't like trump but i like hillary less
the election of any of those was bad
>good grief my country is a democratic republic with more than two political sides

>>726061700
So when I Google gender the definition is "the state of being male or female"

Do you fuckers even fact check anymore or do you just spew random shit and scream/block when people call you out?

>>726061367
The whole gender is a social construc thing is just so fatass nolifes can fit in

>>726069418
>the state of being

>>726069418

>the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones)

it helps when you post the entirety of the definition. not just the part that you believes proves your point.

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gender dysphoria isn't a choice

some people are mentally ill and the best course of treatment for them is transitioning

gender EXPRESSION is a choice
gender IDENTITY is not a choice

>>726061367
Being gay and choosing your gender are due to both personal choice and environmental conditioning. If you expose yourself to gay porn more, and attempt to get off from it, you begin to associate the release of the chemicals that make you feel good with the contents of the porn that you masturbate to. And since most kids live in a society that nowadays has no backbone and tells the children its okay to mutilate their own genitals. They begin to believe they're the opposite gender they really identify as.

>>726069565
>It helps when you post a definition of a word from a real dictionary, not a search engine run by liberal cucks.

>

Definition of gender

1
a : a subclass within a grammatical class (as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical formsb : membership of a word or a grammatical form in such a subclassc : an inflectional form (see inflection 3a) showing membership in such a subclass

>>726068915
seems like you get something wrong
a society is not a unified entity of a whole country, it's just the major commonly shared opinion

let's take another examples
the russian/french revolutions or the german shift to a fascist state

all of them were successful and all of them had a large oposition
the people in the opposition got killed although they didn't accept anything and afterwards after finding out the crimes all the society could do was to apologize
>those could have been prevented if society behaved following ratio
furthermore a society and the common opinion are easily manipulated by mass media
>america joins ww1 and ww2
>justification for war
>again, rises of dictatorship
just because 51% of a country want right now, it doesn't mean they will eant it after 10 years, but by then it will be too late

>also, don't just pinpoint others as retard without giving a second thought to it
people like you are bad for a society

>>726061367

Being gay and being "transgendered" are both mental illnesses. Full stop.

Yes, both may be natural, but cancer is totally natural. Yet we don't have cancer patients saying "I am JUST the same as everyone else, everyone needs to check their not dying of cancer privilege REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE".

We treat cancer. We blast it out. We destroy it.

Now homosexuality and transgenderism isn't lethal like cancer you say. Sure, just like colorblindness maybe.

We have no right to say what a colorblind person of consenting adult age does with themselves or with other consenting adults. If a colorblind man wants to have sex with a consenting woman. That's fine. If he wants to have sex with a consenting man, that's also fine.

But we don't sit here and pretend he ISNT colorblind. And we don't paint everything that is red a more acceptable color to the tiny fraction of people who can't see red properly. They get along with their lives.

No one should have to bend over backwards accommodating your mental illnesses. We shouldn't infringe on your personal liberty, but neither should we play pretend for your mental illness.

That's what people have a problem with. These special snowflake fucks infringing on THEIR liberty just so they can have their safe space and bottle of milk.

>>726070084
once you start saying that certain societies shouldn't do what they want, you become the dictator.

>>726066740
Nigger why are you even asking for sauce

This motherfucker thinks that in the year 17 A.D. there were male/female bathrooms or trannies at all

>>726070019

>Oxford Dictionary
>liberal search engine definition

lol okay buddy.

also

Definition of gender using the SAME dictionary you used.

a : sex the feminine gender
b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex

once again...post it all, not just the definition you feel fits your argument.

>>726067279
You're talking to a SJW, you should've shortened your post to just "do you think"

>>726070682
> Thinks I used Oxford dictionary
>Oxford is a liberal run college that doesn't admit anyone BUT liberals
>Discredited as a reliable source.

Could I fuck lesbians if i said I identified as female?

>>726070598
no
a dictator is the head of a state
by making criticism i am a critical person
>implying it's bad to make critical arguments against a society
a society that doesn't allow any criticism is dangerous

>>726070965
Sure thing. Just get them drunk first.

>>726070888

you used Merriam Webster...but only the first definition.

then you casually ignored everything else that you disagree with.

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>>726061367
It's because being regular gay is just SO passé.

I've got to be ultra-super gay to be recognized for how cool and brave I am anymore. It's a cis-shitlord-eat-cis-shirtlord world. It's tough to be xirself.

>>726070965
If she's gay just say
>yea bitch I'm a dike
>Strapped up like a dike
>Man made like a dike
>Boosie fade like a dike

should work. God I love lesbians.

>>726070781
Do you really think it's only SJWs who use the do you think arguments?

>>726071039
>society shouldn't do that
if you want to criticize then criticize.
but saying society shouldn't do what societies want to do is dumb.
if the majority wants something, then the majority should have it.
just that simple.
societies can have different morals than yours.

I miss 1337 speak.

>>726071510
m3 t0O

>>726069763
your argument is a cookie, dog
just because someone made a picture of a cookie and told you some bullshit with a straight face does not make it true

Being black is a choice

>>726071807
lol good thing we got the expert on gender dysphoria here, obviously knows more than people who actually suffer from it.

>>726061367
Using a littls girl for the face of binary gender abuse is not the right thing to do.

>>726071468
they of course can be different to my opinion, nothing wrong there
but
>if the majority wants something, then the majority should have it.
that's called populism
there are reasons intellectuals in europe are saying populism is dangerous

>>726070264
Worth noting there's a 40% suicide rate among trans people that are on hormone treatment. So yeah, people are dying because of it. Don't fuck with your body chemistry, it makes you unstable.

>>726071944
Go back to tumblr you're drunk

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>>726061798
stop with this made up bullshit already, it's not a gender any more than acting coy or dominant is a gender. How you choose to act isn't a gender, and gender is sex

>>726061367
sexual identity is it's own thing,
sex is a pretty easily defined quality.
nothing wrong with any form of sexuality, as long as all parties consent. And know what their doing !

>>726072047
>populism is dangerous
>populism can be dangerous
just like guns
fixed
it's why education should always be top priority.

There might be something to this gender fluid stuff. If you go into a coma your called a vegetable.

>>726072131
im pretty sure it has to do with "i feel like a female trapped inside a mans body"
imagine if you started to feel like the opposite sex.
sure you could try to suppress it.
odds are, you will break and commit suicide.

if you lived your whole life feeling trapped in the wrong body, it really fucks with your head.
just like if you lived your whole life believing that aliens are reading your thoughts, you might end up committing suicide.

>>726070598
What does this even mean? What if a society wants to bomb yours?

>>726072487
and if the society doesn't want education to be top priority?
if they want education and science to be less worthy than their feelings
>protip: it's happening at this moment in some parts of the world

Wearing panties feels nice. If you're a boy and you masturbate with a vibrator through your panties, when you cum it feels like a girl orgasm. Try it sometime.

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>>726072725
society will do it.

my society will respond with equal or greater force

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>>726061367

>>726072811
consequences will never be the same
if your society survives, hopefully they will learn a valuable lesson.
or
they double down and destroy themselves.

>>726061953
Feminine penis

>>726072965
but you can prevent that shit
it's better to stop bullshit before it happens than to be later sorry
a bad society influences other societies in many bad ways

>>726072965
I'm kind of hoping we have a full blown civil war and I will get to unleash all my hatred on this regressive liberal scum. Perhaps even be seen as a hero for slaying so many.

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>>726073131
yes.
i will do my part as a citizen.
it's all i can do.
>like and share as much facebook content as possible

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>>726073253
wow
much response
many intlect

>>726061367
Nobody else has said this so I will.

Gender is a choice. Gender doesn't define whether you have a penis or vagina.

Sex (anatomical) is science. Whether you have a penis or vagina determines if your male or female.

Male doesn't mean your a boy.

Female doesn't mean your a girl.

>>726073966
> Found another retard.

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>>726073966
Wrong

>>726061367
>Gender is a social construct.
>No uterus, no opinion.

>>726061367

Men have dicks and love Women.
Women have vaginas and love Man.

Everything besides that is a mental disorder /thread

>>726067955
>>726068404
you are so brave.

>>726074090
>>726074127

>breitbart has entered the chatroom

>>726063263 This guy gets it

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>>726074606
Thank you! It's so hard to find someone I don't want to BRRRRRRRRTTTT, but I can make an exception for you!

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>>726061953
ugh...

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>>726065149
love it XD

>>726061980
That's my take on things. I mean, really, though, why does it fucking matter? Just do whatever you want, go where a dress or put on makeup or whatever. Why put labels on yourself? Just go have fun or something and fuck what other people think. I've lived a happy life with only occasional stress just by going with the flow and doing whatever the fuck I wanted to.

>>726061367
Because society is autism
Because people want the masses to accept them so they don't have to hide their abnormal habits.
General acceptance.

>>726061367
I would argue that it's not a choice, unless we're defining gender as behavior rather than identity.

>>726064023
If the suicide rate is the same, why not just let them go ahead anyway? I mean, fuck, if they're gonna end themselves anyway, at least let them play with their own tits for a few months.

there's no choice involved lol, you're either born trans or you're not. any derivatives, genderfluid nonbinary etc. are bs

>>726067686
I think you mean transracial. Yup. Unfortunately for us all, there is a word for it.

>>726076889
*Face palm*

>>726076975
Go look up Rachel Dolezal.

Listen everyone. I'm going to end this.
You're gender isn't a choice. Being trains is, and you have to make that decision knowing the consequences. Sexuality is a choice, but your masculinity and femininity aren't. Trains people have to go to their biological sex bathroom because we have to think of the children. Speaking of children, they aren't able to make the choice to be trans because they're not old enough to fully understand what that entails. You all also need to come to terms with your racial identity. Your heritage is a part of who you are.

>>726077215
Or Michael Jackson.

>>726077338

>being trains is

CHOOOO CHOOOOO MOTHER FUCKER

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>>726061810
>>726061953
>>726062155
>>726062194
I see what you're trying to do and I support your cause.

That being said, you should be aware that images like these will do you little good on a site like this. In order for advertising to work, you must understand your audience. These images and ones like them will not come across to this audience the way they come across to the audience that is you. If you're all serious about this, you need more organization, a a think tank and a team that actually executes the nitty gritty of your plan in a fashion that appeals to the interests of the troglodytes that frequent this board.

Organization - The people calling the shots in this operation should be very clear on both their goals and how to attain them. They should understand that there is a certain timing to things like these and should be sensitive to the idea that their first few advances will not have the wide-reaching affect the end-game is working toward. They should be resilient people that do not frustrate easily. Under them are

The Think-Tank - A group dedicated solely to understanding and appealing to the audience you're attempting to approach. These people should be creative in a way that makes handling complex problems less daunting than it otherwise might be. They should be middle sized group of individuals that genuinely understand the nature and wants of the many people that frequent this page. They should be malleable, willing to go where others in your group are not(as in offensive tone/language, but not in any sort of excess) but still have the heart that is clearly at the core of this movement. A balance of very understanding people and people that are somewhat more rigid int heir beliefs. Keep in mind, by open-minded I mean more-so that they are open to the idea that your movement may b e inherently wrong than open to ideas of only one group. This is so that you can get as many viewpoints on this complex problem as you can.

cont.

>>726061367
you can choose be a fag

>>726077571
Goddamn autocorrect!

>>726061953
Thats not how it works.

>>726061798
Literally nobody gives a shit about how you relate to yourself. When people say gender they mean sex.

>>726077864
>When people say gender they mean sex
Yes, this is called ignorance, like when people say 'theory' when they mean 'hypothesis'. They are different words that mean different things, and your ignorance is not an argument.

None of this really fucking matters. Even if definitions change (as they are, SJWs, sex and gender were the exact same thing 30 years ago, before it started to become PC for dictionaries to change it), it's shifting the goal posts.

Who cares if gender is or isn't the same as sex?

Let's say, for sake of argument it is different. What are we left with? You do realize the colloquial definition of the word in the minds of the people you're arguing with has it the same, right?

If you could convince all people everywhere they're not the same, they would just switch to the other word, you fucking morons.

"I'm a girl!"
"Well fine, but you're still not a female, you fucking weirdo."

We'd all just start using male/female instead of boy/girl.

You gain nothing.

I have fucked a few traps, and yes, they were girly. They were still not female.

This shit is being manufactured to keep you retarded. There are real issues in this country to discuss. Education. Scientific and medical research priorities and funding. Poverty. Single-parent households. Lagging wages (not to be confused with "wealth inequality", another piece of bullshit).

Gender is not a fucking issue in this country. Stop it.

>>726077679
And finally that brings us to the real meat of the project

The Field workers - These should be people similarly resilient to those up top. You need a thick skin for a job like this, else you will crack beneath the pressure. These are the people that actually take the ideas/memes/slogans of the think tank and put them to practical use. They should be similar to the think tank in that they are open to new ideas and discussion so that when engaged by the audience, they can respond in a way that understandable and acceptable. Win their trust and it's all down-hill form there. The thing is, this site has an unfortunate abundance of those that see the world in a very polarized fashion. You're either in or you're out. You're either right or wrong. Black/white boy/girl this/that. You get it, I'm sure. These people need to understand that not every thread will be a success and that no matter how many successes they've had there will always be failures in the future. These people need to be adaptabel, need to be able to run cool under fire and at ALL TIMES understand that their audience is here to laugh at things that make them feel better about themselves. This is seriously important in evaluating the salvagability and success rate of any given scenario.

So long as the face and head(leaders and think-tank) are competent enough and the workers are malleable enough to keep up with the new strategies and ideas of the tank, this operation CAN succeed.

I'm a bit more stoned than I ought to be to explain this, but I hope my words can help you people in at least some small way. Fight the good fight! Always be open to the idea that there is something more right than your idea of right!

Our perspectives are only ever the thinnest of slivers of understanding about this wide, wide world we share. Good life to all that can read this message!

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>>726078456
forgot me image. Be unrelentingly loving. Lead by example. Change will follow.

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Instead you could browse to Snapchat (y) .me to fap to local sluts nudes.

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>>726078241
Gender really is not the issue. It's another nose bleed; another reason to divert attention from the major problems in the world. The core of the movement, however, is more in line with respecting people for being their honest selves rather than conforming to an idea of what an honest self should look like. I agree that this movement is unfortunately soaked in ideas of pettiness, but also recognize that this is because the true engine to this train is a device that could change the way the game at large is played. Poison the well and all those that may have grown up to oppose you are suddenly total non-threats. Love and respect for your fellow humans is absolutely essential in winning the struggle that plagues our species. The fight between what what in the now and what we need to be happy(as a species). It's a battle unending so long as the powers that be can convince those that make up the masses don't trust one another. If we had each others best intentions at heart and at hand, it would threaten the paradigm that is; the system that profits off of suffering and self hate. There is a lot of money in convincing people they NEED this or to be good enough for that.

wish I wasn't running on fumes right now, because this is a complex issue that truly needs to be talked out and understood. The longer nothing is done to topple the powers that be, the deeper the pit of mass-despair will grow ad the lower the pockets of those cashing on it will hang.

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>>726079461
>what we want in the now and what we need to be happy

>>726061367
Being gay is a choice.
And just to clear up what it means to "choose" your gender, if you have a penis, you are male, if you have a vagina, you are a female. Until you get le surgery to change thy reproductive organ, you will go by what you've got down there. So, if you have a penis but identify as a female but are offended that people don't want you going in the girls bathroom, then fucking kill yourself.
I'm a straight male who is for equality but against all this feminazi and transgender bullshit that a lot of people pill just to get attention. Get tf over yourselves. Btw, at this point I totally forgot why I was typing this and apologize if I got off topic.

>>726061367
>>726079852
Ah, okay, I didn't get too off topic. So yeah, everything is a choice, no excuses, no bullshit, good day sir.

Gender was, is, and will always be a mistake keeping society back

>>726079679
Whats this anime I need to watch it

Check mate gay niggers from out of space

Happy to settle part of it. Sexuality isn't a choice (obviously you fucking dipshits, you can't just look at a dick and decide to be into it), but is malleable and may change depending on choices you make, especially during adolescence. The way you act on it is all up to you though. Gay guy here, but fucking despise lispy faggots.

>>726080076
No clue. Reverse google search, maybe?

Feel like it might be YuYu Hakusho, tho. Keiko all grown up had that hair style and it's got the general look of the series down.

My issue with this topic is that a man can decide he is a woman, appropriate women's rights that are sacred, men are aren't allowed, and enter women's spaces like toilets, prisons etc. Trans women retain male rates of criminality and violence, which are higher than those of women.
If you're born a man, you will die a man, no matter what your body looks like.
The other way however, I don't think men care too much about those spaces, if a trans man wants to use the men's room that's ok, I think men owe women on the whole and should let them do what they want. It's up to that woman. I don't then trans men should end up in male prisons because men rape men in there, what would happen to somone with female genitals?
This goes on.

>>726061693
political revisionism.
less funny when it happens in the west.

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>>726061693
your time is coming kike.

Sexuality isn't chosen
Gender inclination isn't chosen, but cannot be figured out for certain until adulthood
Children should not be transitioning
There are only two genders

>>726062155
>>726061953

If assuming that gender truely is a social construct I can get behind the whole "feminine penis" thing, but on the other hand I also see a problem with it.

Now in some cases hermaphrodite human beings, have "normal chromosomes" found in either boys or girls and the reason they grow both genitals is hormonal...hormons that can exist in both males and females. They just have different ratios of being present in the bodies of both sexes.

Now given the fact that anomalies exist for various reason in my opinion it is fair to say that genitals are sex-representative but not sex-specific and in conclusion would lead to being gender-specific, which means you can refer to both genitals as either feminine or masculin.

That being said there is 2 things I want to point out is that femininity and masculinity are both social constructs specific to items/things/activities etc....associated with either sex for example riding a motorcycle in most cultures would be viewed as rather masculine. -end pt.1

>>726082051

pt.2 :

So that being said it is safe to assume that in most cultures the penis is viewed as the pinnacle of masculinity or at least having a big penis which means a penis would be generaly a masculine thing to be no matter if found on a woman or a man and I'm talking about sex here not gender.

Another problem with making your gender a social construct as far as I am concerned is that its nothing more......than a social construct which means it has no more validity as calling yourself a descdendand of odin or a weeb thinking he is following a path of the old samurai....making it well...some sort of delusional state...a delusional state accepted in most western cultures but still a sort of mental illness.

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>>726064713
by definition it IS.
a supposed discrepancy between body and brain structure does not fall on the biological majority assuming there is a structural disagreement between to begin with.
i honestly don't understand how feminists, gays, trans, can be on the same bus though. gays already don't like anyone else hijacking their momentum.

>>726061367
>How is your gender a choice

No-one said it is?

Also, fucking lol at all the slavs itt

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>>726082724

Dude I'm gay and I fucking hate what liberalism, feminism and trans people have done to gay people.

I remember not too long ago when it was just about getting to live out our degeneracy in private or in specified clubs and not being judged for it which I am fine now but it turned from that to this fucking "take pride in what you are and what you are doing" shit.

And now there is this cancer wave of gays teaming up with mental illness and making people uncomfortable walking the streets in gimp suits and pic related and pushing their degenerate neo-liberal agenda, it makes me fucking sick.

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>>726083127

I remember when gay people were trying to make a point on how they were just like everyone else, they just loved people of the same sex

Now it's like
>GUYS LOOK AT HOW NORMAL WE ARE, LET US SHOW YOU WHAT GAYNESS IS REALLY ABOUT, PARADING HALF NAKED IN A RAINBOW COLORED DICK COSTUME HAHA IT'S OKAY BECAUSE WE'RE GAY AND PROUD!!! :))) JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!

And the rest of the sane world is just there like
>pic related

It's one thing to say that you're normal, professional people that value the same shit as everyone else. It's another to go around confirming everyone's idea that the gay community is a bunch of gross, hedonistic pigs.

Sure straight people like that exist, too, but if a "straight movement" was a thing, I'm sure that most straight people wouldn't want to be portrayed as ravenous sex-crazed animals who let their sexuality define their lives.

>>726083535

I agree

>>726083535

the thing is that just like people like to make the distinction between black people and niggers, i personally like to make the distinction between gay people and faggots. fact is that the most vocal people in the gay movement are flaming faggots that took it from a movement about just being accepted alongside everyone else to literally cramming it down everyones throats whether they like it or not. im gay also dont understand the message that going out to pride parades naked or hypersexualizing yourself is supposed to send to people, especially family-oriented types that want to be more open-minded and take their kids out to support gay rights and everything, but dont want to subject their kids to what amounts to a gay softcore porn show. how are you supposed to reach people that are hard to reach when you are deliberately shaping your approaches in a way that you know will put them off?

>oh but theyre just bigots etc etc
and youre not going to change their mind by being fucking flaming FAGGOTS. you can call people names and shit if you want but at the end of the day it does nothing but hurt everyone that doesn't live in places that already have a disproportionately large gay population

>>726083535
This

>>726063774
yes "it" is

>>726083535
Agreed

>>726084303
>>726083127
Based faggots speak truth

>>726083535
This

>>726063774
yes "it" is

>>726083535
Agreed

>>726084303
>>726083127
Based faggots speak truth

>>726084977

>Genderfluid
>Transgender

While there's some overlap, they're not mutually inclusive.

>>726085071
dumber faggot thinking chromosomes are the sole factor

>>726085497

Even dumber faggot protecting people's imaginary right to impress whatever gender identity they want on the world. Get your friends and family to humor your shit if you want, faggot. But don't expect the world at large to give a fuck any more than you give a fuck about my problems and are looking to humor my desires.

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>>726065701
fun fact: the whole system of oppression shit is literally commie rhetoric.
no idea why people are so loathe to point out this one simple fact.

>>726061798
So what about trannies?

>>726061367
Bait, but to just give a general idea.

Being Trans is thing, but it's tiny. It's such a small portion of the population that it really doesn't matter. Real trans people try to pass, and are successful at it, those who want attention flamboyantly shout from the hills about how trans they are.

Beyond that there are two genders, quit making up bullshit,

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>>726087456
>Real trans people try to pass, and are successful at it,
hahahahaha, no. but at the same time it's so obvious that it's not worth shitting on them for creepers in dresses.

>>726087548
>forgetting traps

I've seen a few that pass well enough that you could have a five minute convo with them and maybe not notice if you weren't looking.

But otherwise yeah, no point on shitting on those who try,

>>726061367
>How is your gender a choice
It's not.

>>726087848
trap is fetish shit. boys who pass as girls for the sake of internet wanking. traps are not trans are not traps. grow up.

>>726061620
first post best post

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>>726087848

>>726087927
Then traps are gay, gay boy.

>>726064400
how do you know if you feel like a man if you've never experienced being a man?

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>>726078456
Lol my name jeff u mum gay

both terms mean so many different things now thanks to fuckers who change it to suit their argument however if you want to know about gender look up the john money case