Anti-capitalist thread

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>>725858466

>Starts an anti capitalist thread
>While on a device whose R&D, release, distribution, and continued support is due solely to capitalism
>Who posted it through the internet because they paid an ISP for it, perpetuating capitalism


Stay in school, kiddo.

>>725858466
>"luck"
organizing against the working class is not fucking luck

>>725858654
low quality bait

>>725858466
How not to be poor:
1) Graduate high school
2) Don't have a child
3) Have a job, any job

Sorry that so many people can't follow those 3 simple rules and blame "capitalism" because of it.

>>725858703
Yea, just dismiss anything that's counter to your political narrative as a troll.

Shit man, you'd do Trump proud.

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>>725858466

Back to work, slaves!

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>>725858674
getting born into wealth is. Also the system by definition means that only a tiny minority can ever be very wealthy. Luck plays a part in being that minority

>>725858466
yall are always anti capitalist but yet don't like to do anything that renders capitalism unneccessary, like gardening, homebrew, woodwork, all the /diy/ shit

you just hate a system that rewards hard work and voluntary trade of money for services in a free market. but you have no marketable skills and no skills to avoid voluntary trade of money. lmfao

>>725858722
I've fone all those things but I'm poor as hell.

>>725858722

you may not be ppor. but you still get exploited by people who literally make 1000 times more then you do.

The wealth needs to be distributed much better.

Its not multinational companies that make more companies, that stay in families for hundreds of years.

They buy out right wing politicians so those politicians can bend the law to make those multinatonals ''earn'' even more money.

By decreasing minimum wage for example. or by increasing the prices on healthcare.

>>725859034

Its IS* multinational companies.

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In reality it's this.

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◄ Proverbs 18:23 ►
New International Version

"The poor plead for mercy, but the rich answer harshly."

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>>725858654
"If you're part of society you can't complain about that society"

>>725858917

It does not reward work. it is a system that turns people into modern slaves and is merely rewarding for the people who own the billion dollar industries.

It is us the people, who are their number 1 resource. and they continue to exploit.

>>725858654
Oh look, someone who does not understand the concepts of capitalism and socialism. Go suck your chefs dick you fucking wagecuck.

>>725858962
you're either
1.) a bad worker, so nobody wants to promote you
2.) a bad spender, so you waste money on shit you could do at home, or overspending on the space you're living in
3.) ????

>>725858466
>>725858466

>>725859102
Don't forget a good splash of sociopathic ice cold uncaring attitude toward humanity and a complete lack of morality, ignoring all entreatments and commands from sages to deal with the poor fairly.

>>725859034
>that stay in families for hundreds of years
>>725859102
>inheritance

Yet somehow most millionaires and billionaires in the US were born in poor or middle class families, not in rich families.

Bill Gates, John D. Rockefeller, Mark Zuckerberg and pretty much all A-list Hollywood stars didn't have rich parents.

>>725858917
I have marketable skills, however, I had to be in minimum wage till the debt was paid off.
even though I am now in a good industry I am not going to turn my nose up at people in minimum wage jobs, A because I have been there, B they fulfill a function, paying them crap and treating them like crap doesn't achieve anything and C, better wages means more potential clients...

>>725858466
you have to be over 18 to be on this site

>>725859269
Can you point out to me where I said that, chuckle nuts?

>ITT: people who've never studies any philosophy or economics

I'm convinced you people think you're """""exploited""""" because food doesn't magically float into your mouth.

>>725859455
>sociopathic ice cold uncaring attitude toward humanity and a complete lack of morality
wtf your world view is completely wrong
having this mentality puts you unemployed in a basement or in prison, it doesn't make you rich
stop thinking Donald Trump is the stereotype example of a rich person, he's an exception

>>725859296
i'm not gonna say that the oligarchy isn't a problem, but the majority of people have the ability to live a decent life on a job that is generally enjoyable. if you don't want to work, get a cheap plot of land (Acres are sometimes 2 grand and you can save that in a month or two by living in a car) and /diy/ your house, your energy, your food, etc. but anti capitalism people don't want that. they want goods, made by people who care about their product, for free of cost, therefore exploiting their labor and stealing their products. THAT is slavery. who the fuck cares about making a billion dollars? they're only billionaires because people are too lazy to make their own bread out of 2 cents of flour and water, or too lazy to raise chickens for eggs, etc. people willingly pay other people to do labor for them. do it yourself.

>>725858749
do you know who gave most rights and developed most technology you have?
Clearly you don't, it was the USSR.

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>>725858466
Aye. Show some love for ourboi Marx, comrades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNVZ0ZPfE8s

Watch and learn

>>725858466
Just because you cant figure out how to work the system in a way that doesnt exploit others doesnt mean the whole system is fucked.

Every one is bad. Conservatism makes us too reserved. Liberal makes us too wild. Communism is too boring. Fascism is too cruel.

If you really think about it. Capitalism is the best. In a communist area you would have your wealth split. In a fascist state, you would be whipped if you tried to have it split.

Capitalism offers true independence that no other kind of government does.

You can create your own government in a capitalist one in a sense. Its the most freeing form of control. You just cant see past the green. Most people cant and thats why you hate it.

But think of what you can go on to do with the availability of capitalism. You can go on to help people the way you want with what you earn.

Please tell me, how is removing this going to make the world a better place?

You sit by your laptop with a fucking mochiatto talking about how capitalism is the devil and there are little boys carrying rifles and little girls carrying cock.

Why not grow up from the whole psuedo-intellectual stage and go fucking do something or get interested in a genuinely horrible act. Like really?

Do you know how you could help those kids though? If you could give them a home and food and education and how would you do that? With money. Good luck trying to get as much that you could from capitalism than any other form of government.

>>725858466
Most people are rich because they inherit wealth of their family or have connection with people in high position.

Almost NO people get rich by hard work. Rich people are hypocrites

>>725859602
Haha. No.
The Soviets copied everything from the US and Germany.

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>>725859525
It might be more like the fact that ultra-rich banks give us student loans, which poor people assume are some good natured attempt at making society fair for the poor to educate themselves, but then it turns out just to be another form of slavery with high interest rates, interest on top of interest if we can't pay, and exorbitantly high fines that seem to ignore all human decency, not to mention constant threats to fire us from jobs that effectively act as a metaphysical whip to keep the working class in fear.

>>725859462

those are right wign excuses. and is bull fucking shit. you sir are getting cucked so fucking hard.

And you are to fucking weak to stand up to it.

>>725859330
>1.) a bad worker, so nobody wants to promote you

heh, you can be in an entry level job and be by far the best worker in your department, and never get promotions. hell I had to train my last 4 supervisors to do my job, until I and the last other good worker there left and the department just went to shit afterword.

understand, they don't promote based on merit, just connections, and as long as they don't loose too much money they don't care.

>2.) a bad spender, so you waste money on shit you could do at home, or overspending on the space you're living in

if you live in a big city, this is unavoidable thanks to gentrification, you COULD move out to the country where things are cheaper and have no jobs though...

>I own a factory, and need workers to operate the machines or else I lose my investment
>I will pay you $7 an hour to operate this machine for me
>Okay, sounds good. Much better than the $0 I make now, and the increase in demand for labor means that the price of labor is increased. You know, basic supply and demand
>Fantastic, you can start immediately since we have both voluntarily entered into this exchange
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>
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>SOMEONE IS BEING EXPLOITED!!!
>

>>725859698
Soviet Union was peak of 20th century human civilization

>>725858722
My father is trump rich nigger.
>tfw I'll never have to work in my life
Go to work wagecuck

>>725859679

you are nothing but a modern ass slave. fuck you. you and your kids deserve to get exploited with that sheep fucking brain of yours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNVZ0ZPfE8s

>>725859462
>John D. Rockefeller,
ah, so are his decedents poor now?

>>725859733
John D. Rockefeller and Bill Gates were born in lower/middle class families. As were most rich people in the US. There's a lot of mobility between classes. Also don't underestimate the amount of people born into rich families who waste all their family capital within one generation.

>>725859500
you didn't 'have' to be in minimum wage. you do for a year or so but being a good worker gets you promoted. the problem is working-age adults don't get marketable skills until long past their 20's and need to move out and be independent. your parents should have taught you skills earlier. or had you working by 16 to get you experience to move up, or got you into a trade school or something. universities are no longer impressive, and lucrative to the student but a big scam.

>>725859581
It never ceases to amaze how the majority of /b/'s responses include complete tangential nonsense. I.E. implying that I even mentioned Trump.

>>725859769
>bread lines

>>725859769
Troll harder

Soviet was a failed state and only moderately important for technology. Germany, Britain and US contributed much more to human advancement.

>>725859736
if you think you're the 'best worker in your department', you're probably universally regarded as shit. sorry buddy.

you can move, and commute too. it's hard but doable. the more people you can split rent with, the better

>>725859824
Nope but Rockefeller was the richest person ever so it would require quite an effort to waste all his fortune. However, as I said, loads of rich people waste their family capital of a few million dollars within a short time.

>>725859725
Words you missed and concepts you don't understand: the list!
>give student loans
Offer student loans
>paying for a loan you voluntarily take out is slavery
Lol
>Exorbitantly high fines that you consent to are exploitative
LOL
>Constant threats to fire you from your job
If you're generating value greater than your cost of labor, then the company won't fire you unless you break their code of conduct.
>metaphysical whip
That word doesn't mean what you think it means
>Keep the working class in fear
Of what, starving because they can't / refuse to exchange value for value?

>>725859842

and they now also exploit the 99%.

>>725858861
well, i agree with that. Couldn't I?

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>>725858466
World doesn't spin without capitalism, the world stops spinning when greed takes over.

>>725859679
>If you really think about it. Capitalism is the best.

okay... so letting a shit ton of our GDP go to healthcare when countries with socialized programs can deliver the same healthcare service at a FRACTION of the cost by socializing it?

perhapts absolutes are retarded and the smart thing intelligent people should be doing is finding which sectors are better socialized or privatized, to get the least waste and most growth. however that is a tall order for an over religious and uneducated population like americans who see only absolutes and nothing else.

>>725859842

Also, rockfeller like many other major corporations were set up a very very long time ago. they own the entire economy. it is being passed on from generation to generation. you can not get between it anymore.

>>725860064
>metaphysical
transcending physical matter or the laws of nature.

Guess it kinda does mean what I said.

Anyway, do you have student loans? Do you have any idea what I'm even talking about? How old are you?

>>725859947
>Makes the largest nukes
>industrialised in only 30 years
>Puts first man in orbit
>Defeats nazi machine and saves Europe
Stay cucked pleb

>>725860192
>greed
Love when people use that word
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A

>>725859679
>Capitalism offers true independence that no other kind of government does.

except when capitalists can BUY political favor through campaign donations...

>>725860230
they tell you exactly how the loans work, so if you still voluntarily signed up for them out of like, idk, societal peer pressure, you're retarded

don't get a job where your labor is so undervalued that you're easily fireable. be such a good worker they can't fire you. it's not fucking hard you useless neets. survival of the fucking fittest

>>725859905
>Western propaganda

>>725858917
Basically this. The irony in most anti-capitalists is that they spend more time ignoring the obvious routes to take to avoid being a wage slave, and complaining that people who have more successful ancestry are better off than them, than they do actually doing a fucking thing to prove that they can live a productive life where they aren't sat down and made to do one specific job for some guy with money to waste on their labor. And then they perpetuate the supposedly evil capitalist machine by wasting their parents money on falling for the worthless uni degree meme and whining about minimum wage and teachers salaries all day in their safe spaces, because they fell for the give indoctrinating children more funding and become a minimum wage slave meme. You anti-capitalists have been played by the machine you claim to be so better than, all of your money is going into the hands of people who tricked you and they now have the money to trick your kids, and it'll go on and on. Go ahead and circlejerk over your anti-establishment angst, you're all idiots.

>>725860230
26, I just finished paying off my marketing degree.
I went to college for a major that would increase my human capital.. because that's what schooling is for.
And no, metaphysical refers to a specific branch of philosophy having to do with the study of /validation of existence. The word you're looking for is "metaphorical"

>>725860238
>invades Eastern Europe
>kills millions, including 30 million of their own people including starving farmers to death
>prevents people from being able to leave "the iron curtain"
>how else was Soviet Russia a completely evil government and nothing like what you said?

>>725859693
lol

>>725860230
that's not what metaphysical means

>>725859842

John D rockefeller is THE example of what is wrong with the economy.

He and his offspring (for generations) have been actively eliminating any competition that may stand in their way. they have a monopoly on certain world trades.he is what capitalism is. modern capitalism started with people like him.

You will never ever be able to get up there with them. only if they want you to.

you are a fucking retard even bringing those names up.

>>725859679
>Capitalism offers true independence that no other kind of government does.
Capitalism makes you slave of money, makes you spend half of your life don't things you wouldn't do (if it didn't pay enough)

>>725859999
>if you think you're the 'best worker in your department', you're probably universally regarded as shit.

honestly, team leaders from other departments pretty much talked to me more than my team leader because they knew it would get done if I did it.

the main thing they all cited after I left was, "no one knows who to do anything"

Basically I and the other lady were the two stapples holding the department together, then everything when to hell when we left. and we earned the same wages as the fucks who sat around all day.

>>725860421

ofcourse it evil. its is ran by multinationalists who actively destroy any competition. you only get up there with them if they want you too.

>>725859395
elaborate plz?
>i dnt understand

>>725860495
>eliminating any competition
You mean by offering their goods and services at better prices and quality than everyone else, or by using the government as a weapon to enforce monopoly?

>>725860238
>army budget only 20% of US
>defeats nazis by letting 30 million soldiers run towards their deaths, America achieved the same on the western front with only 1% of the deaths
>general population is poor, very low standard of living
>life expectancy lower than some African countries
>never developed into full democratic capitalist country
>has no cultural influence on the world

>>725860300
so capitalism sucks because there are corrupted politicians out there?

are you saying communist government is less corrupted? lol

>>725860238
>Stay cucked pleb
so what is up with right wingers and the term 'cucked?'

I mean, its like in every other sentence.

>>725860064
>>paying for a loan you voluntarily take out is slavery
>Lol
only people who are depending on these loans use them. You can screw the "voluntarily".

>>Exorbitantly high fines that you consent to are exploitative
>LOL
Again: tell me another way of financing your studies if you're poor.

>>Constant threats to fire you from your job
>If you're generating value greater than your cost of labor, then the company won't fire you unless you break their code of conduct.
Until someone who generates a greater value for less money comes, of course.

>>725860705
>Communist
>Right wing
Literally what?

>>725860421
i'm glad you understand it lmao. the people who hate capitalism only hate it because it makes them stare straight into their complete uselessness and irrelevancy in society. without someone else spoonfeeding them by hand, they'd seriously just die off

>>725860642
>You mean by offering their goods and services at better prices and quality than everyone else,

well once he becomes a monopoly, he doesn't need to control his prices after that does he?

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>>725859815
You fucking believe this shit? Kek

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>>725860486
>>725860442
Well, it's kind of one of the definitions of metaphysical if you look it up, not to mention having relation to the spirit.

My dad is a banker. I happen to know that student loan debt carries conventions that banks don't even do to the indebted. With student loans they continue to add interest to loans that are in default, which banks don't do. They have methods of compounding interest, which banks don't do, which specifically make it harder for the poorest of individuals even if they work.

Also, because I am against student loan practices doesn't mean I'm a NEET. I have a job, and work toward paying my debt. You assume too much. Honestly, if you are 26 or under you are a child compared to me. So pay attention, you might learn something.

Proverbs 29:14

If a king judges the poor with fairness, his throne will be established forever.

>>725860754
No, you can't screw the voluntary. That's the only important concept. If you enter into a contract voluntarily and are held to the terms you agreed to, it, by definition, isn't exploitative
>tell me another way of financing your studies if you're poor
Don't go to college. Go to trade school and learn a craft that's valuable in your market to obtain resources.
>Unless someone who generates a greater value for less money comes, of course
Yes, and? People have different strengths and weaknesses. Just because people are better than you doesn't mean you're a slave (although your victim complex says otherwise)
If you generate more value than your cost, you're an asset. Companies hire people who are assets because it generates profit. This is fundamental supply and demand.

>>725860697
>so capitalism sucks because there are corrupted politicians out there?

well, rather your "morale" capitalists are deliberately bribing them.

Are you saying that the bribing is nature and good in a capitalist, is only back if the party they are trying to corrupt accepts it?

>are you saying communist government is less corrupted? lol

I am curious, where did I ever mention 'communism?'

>>725860808
whatever, right wingers have been going overboard with that word since the election, why is that their new favorite word?

>>725860828
what's your job?

>>725860642

By stealing ideas, buying out ideas of others or simply creating sister companies. 2 electronic companies owned by the same corporation but with 2 different names. to make sure there is no room for anyone else.

Buy politicians who then bend the laws to increase prices on healthcare and reduce minimum wages so the working class can be exploited even more,.

>>725860834
>Once you're a monopoly, no one will ever compete with you again
Economic illiteracy at its finest. If you are charging "too much" for your good or service. Entrepreneurs across the globe will jizz their pants because they know that they can supply the same thing for cheaper. the more entrepreneurs and businesses enter the market, the more they have to bid their prices down to appeal to consumers, meaning that their profit margins become smaller and smaller until they reach a competitive equilibrium. That's the foundation of trade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOBD6v8g1F4

>>725860912

Its common sense. your mind is just to weak to bear the weight of a free world. you prefer to be enslaved. and never question it.

You are pathetic.

>>725861016
>I'm older than you, so I'm right
Not an argument. All you're describing is the practices that these companies practice that their clients agreed to. If you've taken a single econ class you'd know what you're saying is bullshit. If you'd taken a single philosophy course or had any moral compass, you'd know that consensual agreements aren't exploitative. You can't just go redefining emotionally charged words to suit your narrative; it makes you look like an idiot.

>>725861207
>If you are charging "too much" for your good or service. Entrepreneurs across the globe will jizz their pants because they know that they can supply the same thing for cheaper.

okay, and comcast...

>>725861167
>To make sure there's no room for anyone else
Do you think a market has to make room for you? You either enter markets with an excess of demand and a lack of supply to generate wealth, or you compete on terms other than price.

The bit about politicians is a fault of government, not the market. Why would you want an authoritarian state that can be so easily bought out?

>>725861426
Do you have an argument?

>>725859455
>Don't forget a good splash of sociopathic ice cold uncaring attitude toward humanity and a complete lack of morality, ignoring all entreatments and commands from sages to deal with the poor fairly.

Who gives a shit? If I'm on my way to the top why would I care about your sorry ass? What obligation do I have to people that are in a worse situation than I? I don't have to do shit for you because in the end it always gets you fucked. Take your pussy feelings out of the equation and you can accomplish nearly anything.

Who fucking cares how good you look when you post that video of you giving some bum 20 bucks to spend on crack? Literally no one. Life isn't about being "fair" or "just". You need to look out for you and your own. Being fair will only result in you getting screwed.

>>725861426
>okay, and every good or service to ever be freely exchanged...

>>725861055
no i don't think bribing is good lol.. just because some people are corrupted it doesn't mean they're all like that. not every capitalist is immoral and corrupted, tf are you on?

you're so full into that people bribe politicians in capitalism like it is the only system that's like that, where in fact Every single system is like that. everywhere you will find corrupted people, not just in capitalism.

>>725861390
Honestly, you calling everyone names makes me think that you have no argument so you're just trying to bully everyone into accepting your viewpoint. I'm not even a communist. I hate big government, and I hate the government of the United States, because it is communist. You should watch the episode of South Park where Kyle doesn't read an Apple agreement and they sew his mouth to an Asian guy's ass and sew some lady's mouth to his ass telling him that he agreed to it so it's perfectly fine. If these companies had any morality they would go by their moral compass and not the unfair practices that they've cleverly written down and presented to 18 year olds.

>>725858466

ITT: People that haven't made it and wish to bemoan their lot in life rather then attempt to improve it.

Amazing how your perspectives will change when you either get out of school and have to earn a living for a few years or manage to make some real money without school.

It all looks a lot rosier when you arent a broke whiny loser.

>>725859462
many a-listers have famous and wealthy parents. there are countless talented actors and actresses, it's all about having the connections to make it big, and many of the a-listers got connections through their parents.

>>725861426
Comcast has what's known as a natural monopoly. That's a different situation, and I wish internet was treated like other utilities in this regard.

>ITT College students who have never worked in their lifes but still think that socialism is good even though every country ever has failed.

>>725861124
I'm 21, but started as a janitor a year and a half ago. I now manage and run a local co-op grocery store, one from the same chain i started in. It's not much, but good union, good benefits, close ties to the ceo and moving up in the office if i want. My freetime i spend gardening which provides most of my groceries for half the year, brewing, pickling, breadmaking, etc.. saving up for a large piece of land to run a small farm for myself on. My point is, you don't need much to use your opportunities better. Be a good worker and have hobbies and they usually pay off in some way

>>725861877
By your guy's logic, the fact that I am bigger than you and stronger paired with your inability to defend yourself from me justifies me beating you to death and taking what you have. It's a bit hypocritical to expect to be allowed to take advantage of the poor, uneducated, and those who aren't good at making money and not expect that people who are stronger than you shouldn't be allowed by the police to break your neck, take your money and then steal your wife.

>>725862028
t. Wagecuck

>>725862142
You need wagecucks to reappropriate funds from in a socialist society. You'd make good 'ceo fatcats' with those ideals

>>725861018
>Don't go to college. Go to trade school and learn a craft that's valuable in your market to obtain resources.
So every poor person should just learn some shitty craft despite their possible abilities that could be used to help the society in much better ways? That's bullshit imo.
Also you forget that people don't work that way. They don't just simply accept the fact that they are poor and never will make good money. They want to maintain a decent living and make enough money for themselves and for their children (if they want to have some). I think that's comprehensible.
And if the only (little) chance to achieve this goal is to go to college wherefore they need a students loan it's not as voluntary as the name or definition may imply.

>>725858466
What we need is a mix of socialism and capitalism. In socialism the muh taxes are too high to allow a working class to sustain itself and in pure capitalism there is no way for the working class to elevate itself either.

>>725862127
Smaller people could build tools, like guns, to overcome larger animals. That's how humans evolved to be so dominating despite our weak size. If you're not smart, and you're not fit, why should nature waste energy giving you anything? How useful are you to keep alive? Life isn't fair buddy. Feelings are unimportant.

>>725862240
I mean.. if you're not getting hired with your uni degree on womens studies, it likely isnt going to help the world in a better way. But people will always trade money for services. People will always need plumbing done. How many english majors do we really need to run society? None?

>>725862127
so if I open a shop that's sells shoes I'm taking advantage of poor and uneducated people and people that are not good in making their own business? I don't get your weird arguments

>>725862414
Honestly, I could leave society, survive on my own in nature, but out of some kind of sense of duty and morality I attempt to pay my debts, so I'm staying, but I'm an artist, and art is my only talent so it's extremely hard to make money. To assume that everyone who can't make much money is stupid is kind of narrow-sighted.

>>725862240

S'alright, I don't need my house wired for electricity, or hot and cold running water, or heat.

Robots aren't building and maintaining our living spaces yet. We need tradespeople. Lots of tradespeople. Smart tradespeople.

Or I mean, we could all go be all we can be and be doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, and pray that all this other shit gets done.

Not everyone can be what they dream of being yet. We still have to maintain our basics.

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>>725862744
Kek approved

>>725862664
I think weirdly that this comment illuminates a major problem with society for many people. Society is left-brained. It is designed for left brained people and it benefits left-brained people. Left-brained people who rule society have no way of viewing society from the right-brained person's shoes so they don't even get what they're talking about and insist that everyone should do things their way and be able to excel at doing things their way or die.

>>725858466
>Realize you lack the knowledge, talent, or balls to become rich.
>Become anti-capitalist.

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>>725858466
You forgot how people really get there

>>725861581
That's a sorry ass attitude, most people can smell that a mile away and I would be very surprised if you were ever in trouble and had to ask a "friend" instead of paying someone, that anyone would go out of their way to help you.

Seeing as how you post on this board chances are high that you haven't made it yet, good luck on your "climb" to the top

>>725860640
siimple by tankie we mean the leftist equivalent of a neo-nazi ("holodomor was fake, stalin dindu nuffin and so on and so on") by liberal we mean the modern so called left who was taken over by identity politics and an infernal circle of racism and anti-racism that can't lead anywhere. We wan't them to read leftist theory and understand the essentialy economical struggle we're facing

>>725862744
IT just means 'learn more talents'. God, the internet is an incredible resource that we can use for basically fucking free. Libraries. Things that poor people around the world, in past centuries, would have fucking killed for! But you want like.. what? To force people to like your art and pay for it? For the gov't to pay you to doodle five hours every day? I just don't understand what socialists WANT. You're like ugly feminists demanding men to find them pretty. You can't make society want you.

>>725858704
hot

>>725862918
I'm right brained and i don't agree with you. You mean, 'lazy' brained?

>>725862918
>this is an argument hehe

you could explain how am I as a shoe shop owner exploiting people?

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>>725863180
I don't want the practice of banks to make it unnecessarily difficult for the indebted, particularly in the regard to student loans. The reason they make it very difficult to pay off is so that it will climb as high as possible at which point if the indebted is not able to pay it off it will be covered by the tax-payer. I'm not really sure how you could support this, unless I guess you are ultra-rich and don't pay taxes considering the government is owned by the ultra-rich.

>>725862523
>if you're not getting hired with your uni degree on womens studies, it likely isnt going to help the world in a better way.
haha, I agree on this one. Don't really get the concept of this study although I'm open-minded to feminist ideas (the ones that aren't from screaming seacows, of course).
And I also agree that we shouldn't ignore that we need services more than another billion english majors but the thing is that crafting jobs aren't paid the way they should be. Everyone wants to become a CEO or whatsoever - lower paid jobs are mostly ignored because of their little payment. Maybe the world would be a better place if these jobs would make the money they deserve?

>>725863296
I work harder than anyone I know. Usually I'm the guy at a store that everyone constantly tells to stop working because they want to continue to rest on their laurels without anyone making them feel like they should have to put pride and effort into their work too. Anyway, I could be wrong about the right brained left brained thing, but it was a theory.

If Capitalist believe in capitalism so much...

...then why not whore out your children?

>>725863661
They probably do.

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>>725863661
haha you showed us!!! bravo!

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by the way Economist who support libtardanism are completely retarded.

>>725858466
If you actually knew shit you'd be on /pol/. Fuck outta here, fishernigger.

>>725863541
I don't have to support it. I didn't take a student loan. I would never go to a uni that charges so much money. I would never ask my parents to pay for it.

The banks do directly affect the housing market, though, which i can agree upon the same ideals for. Because everyone needs a living space. Not everyone needs formal education now, when there's free information everywhere

>>725863810
At that point going into the wilderness to survive is your freedom and gift, and they will put interest on your fines in the city and then pay themselves the money for your fines eventually when they deem that you've probably died from old age although no one has seen you in 80 years.

>>725864041
Guess it's pretty easy for you to say then, if you didn't take out loans or go to an expensive school.

>>725863636
I'm not sure what you mean, then. If you're a hard worker you'll probably succeed regardless of whether you like the arts or not. The world does need both to survive but the foundation of our ability to survive is left brained, but the foundation of our culture is right. But it can sway opinions which is powerful. That's why memes and fluffy comic strips make such good propaganda

>>725864041
Everyone having a living space is socialism, and it was put into practice by the National Socialists in Germany. I think it's a great practice, although I am anti-communist.

>>725864280
Hard work doesn't equal success.

>>725864280
Try making money on memes and let me know how it goes. I invented the concept suit dog.

>>725864181
I got a premed degree by going while in highschool, then by going fulltime while working fulltime overnights by sleeping in my car for 3 hours between work and classes. No debt now. The next step is harder but still doable. lots of options. Trade schools have med options. And i'm a STEM student.

>>725859736
Oh so you're the cuck that doesn't just find a better job

>>725864181
people make good and bad choices

>>725858861
>what even is a board of directors

>>725864301
Capitalism does need lite socialism. But i'm not anticapitalist for it. Capitalism is still the best economic structure.

>>725864446
Did you not see the most recent wikileaks? Also i did not mean you could do it to make money. Just that society largely uses right brain ideas for noneconomic purposes but that doesnt mean they arent useful in the grand scale of society

>>725864627
So do children.

>>725864374
Not if your definition of hard work is, 'i feel like i'm sure working hard!'

Work smarter AND harder

>>725864759
Right brained people put out concepts and propaganda useful or not, and are rarely paid anything for it, then told they are not useful to society because they're a waiter.

>>725858654
>Criticizeth the King
>Born in the King's lands
>Harvesteth the King's crops
>Own body is the property of the King

Stay in your fief, peasant

>>725859102
This. So much this.

>>725864848
children are people too.

imagine spending so much money to study art. damn.

>>725863031
http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0810/7-millionaire-myths.aspx

Get fucked by references.

>>725864923
My definition of hard work is working hard to make sure that everything is in the best condition and order before resting on your laurels. People are so relaxed at my current job that I had to stop trying to clean very much because I didn't want them to resent me for being too much of a wind of change to their normal routine so to speak. To me, if the store is not completely clean or there is trash in the street and no business, why are we sitting around instead of picking up the garbage which might somehow make our business more attractive to customers. It's not like I'm going out back and building piles of mud for no reason and going, 'these mud piles sure are hard work to make!'

>>725863875
>haha you showed us!!! bravo!

Good, on the same page then.

Describe your life, and your children to me. Are you of the upper-middle class (or above) lifestyle? Daughter goes to an ivy-league college, with high prospects? Have you explained to her the principles of Capitalism and why it is important to do what must be done?

The price is yours to name, even if it's in the six-digits.

You willing to accept a certain dollar amount (name your price), for me to bend her over and grab her ass like a bowling ball (fingers and all) as you walk out of the room with chèque in hand?

>Of course this is hypothetical. I'm not mongering. I'm sure Anons would be saying 'yes' for shock-value though. (Unless there are real freaks here). But I'm explaining that a capitalist will always sell you the rope to hang themselves; why? because the moment any capitalist start claiming "morality", then a whole other can of worms open up, like "why does Trump want to dissolve the EPA?", "why is 'union-busting' a thing?"....etc. So if a capitalist wants to poison everyone while making them slaves, why not teach your children how to give the PSE on their way to ivy-league universities?

>I know anything is allowed on /b

>But the best place for political discussions is /pol/ and /news/

>just sayin

>>725858466

capitalism isn't the problem

corruption and ethics are.

Capitalism, like socialism, is a ship that the economy runs on. If someone throws you overboard you don't blame the ship.

I want an anti-capitalist society when, and only when, all manual labor jobs are taken over by robots.

I think tax dollars are going to have to be invested into the automation of services and that means we (the taxpayers) should get to benefit from this to the fullest. People will be entitled to 3D printed houses and cheap food that is being picked in the fields automatically.

As for today, I don't think it's a good idea. The retard wageslaves need to go about their shitty lives of being exploited and having their life burnt away for nothing just so the world can keep moving forward. I feel sorry for anybody who works a repetitive job.

And how did you get these liberal and anti trump threads all of a sudden on /b. It's gotta be a tumblr raid or something

>>725864981
So don't be a waiter? Many successfull people are doing right brained jobs. There are artists, musicians, theatre, tv, radio hosts, 911 call centers, horticulture, daycare, journalism, bartenders, chefs, freelance or contracted designers, painters, whatver the fuck. Your dreams are small. You have too high of standards for jobs or no marketable right brain skills. Why is this anyones fault? If Jay Naylor can make triple digits making furry porn you have no excuse

>>725862119
> good union
Unions are socialist institutions. They only exist to challenge private ownership and promote collectivism.

>>725859462
"Napoleon was born the son of a petty officer and look at where he got himself."

That's no argument for monarchy.

>>725865528
Like i said, i do think capitalism needs socialist lite policies. But that's where it ends for me. Despite what the internet acts like, it's probably not healthy to be so binary all the time about issues

>>725859679
It offers freedom until you want to quit your job to start your own business but can't because you can't afford to pay for your kid's healthcare unless you stay at your wage cuck job.

>>725865301
None of this incessant rambling makes any sense at all. I think the reason you don't like capitalism is because you are dumb.

>>725858466
People do actually get rich in honourable ways you piece of shit. Ultra-mega rich perhaps not but Millionare status with a nice house and a nice cars with comfortable life.

>>725865528
Although I'd agree that there are sketchy Unions out there.

Most just band together to protect themselves for the sake of safe work environments and equal pay for your time.

It's the only thing that protects hard-workers in certain industries from being a literal 'modern' slaves, like at Wal-Mart.

Even if people wish for a union, they tend to believe it's for the sake the getting more money, for less work effort. Which will be true, but for the wrong reasons. It's not a shake-down, it's what they are owed.

>>725865301
>all capitalists are the same
>all white people are racist
>all blacks are criminals
>...

>>725861390
Explain to me exactly what part of "get a job or you will literally starve to death" implies a consensual relationship between workers and employers. The economy is not based on consent and it never fucking has at any point in history, anywhere. Your dumbass econ classes were you being brainwashed and filled with a bunch of pseudoscience that justifies the way things are.

>>725859102
Then why don't you make sure you leave more to your children than was left to you break the cycle faggot.

>>725865117
imagine telling your parents what you want to do with your life is play music and you want to play music with your band, but your restaurant job isn't good enough for them. they tell you you should go to college. you go to college, but you only went because they told you to, so you don't try, but you're still not in debt because it was just city college. you join the military, you can't make it in the military, because they put you in electronics because of your ASVAB score, but you probably didn't score that high in math. They just went by the score though, so now you're in electronics school and it's over your head, because some mili desk monkey stuck you their on a whim after meeting you for 2 minutes. You get out of the military and decide to study art, because you failed at something that you weren't natural at, so you figure, I'll pursue something that I always seemed to excel at. Your dad tells you to take out loans to pay for the college because he has no money and his advice is to do what you love. they give you promissory notes to sign for the loans and you don't understand a word of it, because you've just come out of 20 years of doodling cartoons on math worksheets and you're not a banker. You take it to your dad and ask if you should sign it and he says yes. You figure, okay I guess they wouldn't screw us over and everyone has repeated go to college to improve your life, so I'll probably be able to pay it when everything works out for me like I've always been told it will. Then you bust your ass and get good grades because that's what they always told you was important in school and you graduate, but it gets you absolutely nowhere in society only you've still got to pay your debt except you can only afford like 200 bucks a month payments which according to the agreement means you'll be paying it until you die... Should I continue?

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>>725859455
You are crazy

>>725865456
Maybe I don't want to be a sellout pervert who makes money on people's base instincts.

>>725865849
>I think the reason you don't like capitalism is because you are dumb

...i'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of your daughter make loud slurping sounds on my dick, and I shove dollar-bills in her ass and pussy.

...she must really like money, huh?

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>>725858466
Relevant

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>>725866178
'Crazy' what they always call someone they don't understand who proposes radical ideas. Hey, maybe don't keep fucking the poor? LOL that guy's crazy. Stupid poor we hate them because they don't have nice shoes. Don't hire them over their shoes and then tell them to get a job and quit whining.

>>725859693
How did the first person get rich to leave his children all that wealth??

>>725866059
who starves to death? Not homeless people who eat out of the garbage. If you're so completely useless that you'd STARVE if you didn't work then you probably should be dead. Grow and make your own food on public land somewhere. Nobody in history who wasnt a goddamn monarch,
no wild animal,
got away with not starving by DOING NOTHING. If you want to participate in a society, you have to do it all or nothing. It's not a hard concept. Why do you think you're so special you deserve to steal food from people who worked hard to grow it?

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>>725865336
>>But the best place for political discussions is /pol/ and /news/


t. butthurt poltard mad that people are actually having a discussion rather than chimping out and screaming nigger nigger in his containment board.

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>>725858466
Fucking pinkos

>>725866191
So.. you're lazy, and you choose to be poor

Awesome

>>725866367
taxing the USA's richest would just be telling them to print their own money on their own Fed Reserve printers and give it back to their own government.

>>725866367
>you are not entitled to someone's hard earned money

but you are entitled to exploiting their labour?

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>>725866110
so you're mad because you're shit at making music and you went to a useless college?

and capitalism is to blame for that?

>>725866732
They're getting paid an agreed-upon amount of money for their labor. They are not exploited because they agreed to it

>>725866732
Employment is not exploitation. Taxation is exploitation.

>>725866191
Worked six days a week last year 40-43 hours a week, never missed a day, was late twice by minutes, did all of the things no one else would do because I took pride in my work and have a good work ethic due to my morality, but I'm lazy according to some /biz/ kid who sits on his ass mining bitcoins contributing absolutely nothing to society.

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>>725866905
that is a solid argument bro

>>725866905
Not exactly. I approve of taxes for maintaining the city and land of the place i live in personally. Because the other option is paying fees everywhere to use roads, and state parks, and that seems retarded

>>725866392
He struck his hunter/livestock brother in the head with a rock and killed him, then he continued to farm and oppress hunters for thousands of years.

>>725866506
>implying there is public land

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>>725866963

Cry some moor

>>725860754
Honest question, why do people like you even "need" to study? I really want to know, you live in the information age you can get the best education in the world at your fingertips for free, do you consider yourself something special, someone who is going to be a captain of industry or innovator in your field?

Honestly people who can't afford it who have sub 120 IQ'S should focus on becoming a productive person in society, securing financial well-being asap and learn what ever they want to learn for free.

The only people being exploited is the people who think they need education from a formal institution.

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>>725866561
>Worked six days a week last year 40-43 hours a week, never missed a day, was late twice by minutes, did all of the things no one else would do because I took pride in my work and have a good work ethic due to my morality, but I'm lazy according to some /biz/ kid who sits on his ass mining bitcoins contributing absolutely nothing to society.

>>725858466
anti-human nature thread
anti-self-determination thread
pseudo-intellectual would-be fascist thread
>many options for the fix

>>725867281
'I think someone who markets their skills to a high demand audience is a sellout because.. idk.. i can't do it myself!'

Like, you really think i'm the bitcoin miner here?

>>725867070
>a strong economy has a strong NHS

try again, pinko

>>725866819
I didn't major in music. My parents told me not to for some reason because they think musicians are drug addicts or bad people somehow. Also they kept acting like I was terrible at it and should never try before I ever had the chance to develop the skill. When I told them I wanted to do music they put me in baseball. When I said I wanted to do art they put me in tennis. Now I am a proficient tennis and baseball player who washes dishes.

>>725858466
Poor fag

>>725866506
You don't know what the fuck you are talking about dude, if you go and try and live off the grid you'll get killed. Plus you'd be a fucking sociopath to just leave everyone in your life to go live in the woods. The thing is that we have so much productive capacity these days that we literally throw away tons of food. We spend millions of dollars researching whether people prefer their red phone with or without sparkles when revolutionary advances in medicine are halted because nobody can make money off cheap and effective new cures.

Could you imagine if there was just a billion dollars put to coming up with an automatic farm instead of a slightly bigger nuke? We could eliminate work altogether. This notion that we should try and make sure that we work boring jobs forever is ridiculous. You might as well campaign to bring back the Plague or to raise the infant mortality rate.

>>725866391
Crazy is also sometimes what you call someone who is very wrong.

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LUL fucking bums want to make millions sitting at home smoking pot and masturbating so they start these threads instead of actually learning skills that could help them succeed.

>>725866543
this meme is art

>>725866867
When they had no choice, because there is no public land, we are kept in debt and everything is designed to keep the working class having to work, but apparently you aren't red-pilled enough or aware enough to see it. Unless you just choose to ignore it.

>>725866905
>>725866867

An employer makes a profit by purchasing his employees' labor at the lowest price he can get away with and then selling the products of that labor to a consumer at the highest possible price he can get away with.

At best the employer is a middleman and at worst he's a parasite.

>>725867525
if that's a recent picture of her....her age is showing.

>>725858466

i love shit like this from poorfags

all the poor people i know have the same traits in common:

refuse to better themselves through education

refuse to live within anything closely resembling a budget

refuse to deny themselves things they want in order to save money

refuse to stop stupid habits like smoking, getting stoned, and/or getting hammered all the fucking time - all of which would save them more money

tl;dr poor people are poor because of the stupid choices they make, not because of being exploited or being unlucky

>>725860812
>borgeois
should've stayed in school to avoid being illiterate

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>>725867074
You're already paying fees through taxation, you just want to soften the blow by trying to spread it out over everyone.

Removing price signals from the equation is exactly what makes govt services unable to innovate or uphold standards.

The voluntary aspect to the payment is key.

>>725859462
Most a list Hollywood people knew someone to get on stage in the first place through families ties

Bill gates had funding from his rich father. Or inheritance. How do you think he just built computers all day in a garage.

Rockefeller. Stfu

Zukerjew is the only one. A lucky college kid that wasn't the only one working on fb and jewel all his friends out or settled out of court.

Most importantly the fb guy meme is of a different era. Tech is new. It's the only industry where a few people will make some new money, not inherited money, because it's only started in the past 50 years.

Every. Other. Market. Is now locked down and will never have opportunities for other rich to develop again. It's just locked up into monopoly company's and a select few get to work there and make any real money off of it.

The people who own the country and buy it are here too.

>>725865169
The question was about how people get rich, not about mere "millionaires". Get fucked by not understanding the question.

>>725859581
In general that's true, and it's possible to test the theory now using brain scans, genetic tests, and questionnaires, using samples of populations. Yet I'll bet there's a bulge in the income top of the graph as well as the bottom. It's really the normies in both senses of the word who do almost all of the work that makes civilization possible, whatever your use for it happens to be.

>>725867511
it's not capitalism, it's your parents fault that you're unhappy. go with your band, record a song, upload it on youtube, spread it.. someone will see and reach out if your music is good.

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>>725867962
>>725867995

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>>725865997
>Most just band together to protect themselves for the sake of safe work environments and equal pay for your time.
Bullshit
Henry Ford forced out competition by paying the most and starting the 40 hour work week in the early 1900's.

Unions on the other hand bankrupted GM and Chrystler.

>>725867435
Well, maybe he isn't a sellout if he isn't selling out over his own principles and he has no principles to trod on. Anyway, you're right that certain artists are much better than me at it who make a lot of money at it. The fact is they are rare unless maybe you are talking graphic artists which are more common and make okay money. Anyway, now that I went to college and found out that I am not really a prolific artist, or someone who can easily sell their art, I am in debt, but I don't just have to pay for the college. I have to pay for the college plus an unlimited amount of money if I can't manage to get enough income to pay it off fast enough. So it's like a horrible trap for people who's college ends up not panning out into a career.

>>725858466
"What are, 'things a lazy person says', Alex?

>>725858466
ITT:
Self-made failures at life whining from Mommy's basement.

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>>725866367
I did not know that there could be so many strawmen in one picture.

>>725868246
'Taxation is the price we pay for a civilized society'

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>>725867650
Don't get loans you can't pay back. What the fuck is so hard about that

>>725867682
If this was true, nobody would make more than min wage

>>725867542
>learn basic woodworking and firemaking and trapping skills, ie buy a five dollar book or read a blog
>hunt, forage, or garden in a clearing

What you're really saying is, 'i want the luxuries i have now! But for free!' Because seriously, you're not entitled to them for free. Without taxes, jobs, we're still just naked fucking animals who would eat berries and shit, and die of dysentery, and fighting mountain lions with a spear. But if you want to opt out of the collective society that provides you safety, food, pay, and luxuries, that's what you get.

Automatic farms would be slightly cheaper than slave labor of undocumented immigrants, i agree

>>725858704
Weirdest boner

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>>725867511
At this point I'm over the music, I just want a steady job because I enjoy working and am a hard worker. It's not easy to find one though and at this point I don't have practical skills because I pursued art. I even told the professor I wanted to do practical art that I could sell and the professor made me do high studio art that I can't sell. eventually everyone hated me because she made me her pet project acting like i could be the next fucking peter voulkos if I just developed it enough. The people hated me so much I just left the art community, because I couldn't stand the idiots and jealous retards anymore.

>>725867693
Former poorfag. Too true.
of $2000 gaming rig, steam library and enough dew and hot pockets to die of diabetes

>how do people expect me to save!?

>>725867603
Sure, king solomon was wrong, but you are right.

>>725868635
So you made bad choices? It's not capitalisms fault though

>>725868472
>'i want the luxuries i have now! But for free!'
Well, of course..., who doesn't??
Not necessarily defending that attitude..., I'm just sayin'..., "who doesn't??".

>>725867851
No doubt, yet some projects would never come about unless compulsory to all as all are beneficiaries of them. One expects public technique to lag, as an unavoidable cost of doing what can't be done privately.

capitalism isn't the problem.

It's fucking asshats that think they some how earned millions of dollars. Or that anyone in upper management works harder than the rest.

>I know people working two jobs barely surviving, while one of his bosses makes $500k+ a year and only works 1 hour a week.

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>>725868633

>>725866277
or naive

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>>725858466
capitalism is exploitation of the stupid. how are you not for this? I should always make more money than tyrone with 4 kids or billy-bob cousin fucker who is ok with working at a factory for his entire life. Exploit them more I say

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>>725868633
>>725868633

>>725868697
It's a lazy college system's fault with inflated tuition. I never said anything about capitalism. It's the big government supporting those colleges and creating loans that don't have any rules over how they are paid back because the government does whatever it wants without any oversight or consequence. I don't know if that has to do with capitalism, but to me the government is some kind of communist big brother that has its hand in everything. if my loans were from small banks the rules to pay it back would probably be much easier to work with.

>>725868981
This.

Another thing is we need a law stating that our military CAN NOT leave america.

Invading other countries is not defensive, it's offensive and the terrorists have the right to come over here and kill as many as they want because we invaded them, not the other way around.

>Any country that could be a threat won't attack because of nukes, it's the entire reason we have them so we don't need a huge military.

>>725869001
>implying workers contribute nothing to the employer

>>725869090
It's incredible how many millions of deaths can be attributed to the names on that sickle. Hell, some of them did it with their own hands lol.

Keep pretending it's about love and equality all you want nigga.

>>725859102
working hard gets you nothing. Anyone who has actually worked a shit job can tell you the hardest workers get nothing.

Every job I have had there is at least one person who does the job of two people but never gets promoted because he is needed where he is.

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>>725869292
It's not about love and "equality", it's about struggle which is the condition of millions around the world.

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ITT: a bunch of capitalist fags implying that the richest people in the USA aren't communist Jews.

cant go out use your talents
to make money,a house,find a blonde with floppies & an ankle tat
make a few rugrats??
you gotta be hopeless

>>725869483
exactly

>>725869292
Do you want to start tallying up the deaths of capitalism's for-profit wars, deaths from treatable illnesses in a for-profit healthcare system, deaths from crime caused by capitalism's engine of poverty creation, and so on?

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>>725869542
They're not, there are plenty of non jews with a shit load of money.

>>725867693
95% of the rich kids I know do the same things

>>725868633
Statistics, long-term as you like, contradict that myth.

>>725869671
Capitalism wages no wars, as oppose to the Communist imperial march on prosperity

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>>725869109

Unless you're in the top 1%, you are the one being exploited though.

So you're saying you are stupid.

>>725866543
>>725866543
>It doesn't bother me that people have different views n shit

>it's a good thing that there's a REAL discussion going on.

>If you want to talk politics on /b than go ahead
>I'm just trying to help you find a better place to talk politics (which would be /pol/ and /news/ rather than /b/. I prefer /news/ because the threads are more well thought out.)

>I don't know how it seemed like I was butt hurt

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>>725869292
>>725869671

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>>725869754
>Capitalism wages no wars

Tell that to Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, and all the other defense contractors who have lobbyists influencing military policy in the government. You're either naive or lying.

>>725863170
holodomor was fake.
Quit your bullshit hohol propaganda

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This thread need more Stalin

>>725869699
Like Trump, who has pretty much an entirely Jewish cabinet, went bankrupt and got bailed out by Jews who now own his ass. Rockefeller, richest family in the USA, owns the USA, sends billions to Israel even though we are supposedly in debt (the slaves of the communist US state are kept in debt so they'll keep working) Your uncle with two boats and a business isn't rich compared to the richest people. Also, ITT communists implying communist Jews aren't the richest people in this country. fighting wall street, when wall street IS Lennon, Stalin, your big brother government. Keep working for the motherland for a loaf of bread a day... The motherland being Israel.

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>>725858654