lol

>>725619902
Trump's tax rate is higher because he is a multi-billionaire, compared to Sanders whose net worth is less than a million. Hell, Trump should be paying double the amount he is, as should Romney.

>>725620579
sure kid. what do you pay????

>>725620795
What does that have to do with anything?

>>725621003
Nothing, it's just a personal attack I use when I know I'm being an idiot and want to deflect the attention elsewhere.

>>725620579
>Trump should be paying double the amount he is
why?

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>>725620579
"should" huh? I guess if you can decide what they should be paying, then I can decide what you should be paying? you should be paying 100%. How'd you like that? Some arbitrary know nothing asshat deciding how much money "should" be taken from you ...should should should bullshit

>>725621253
because "should" that's why.

>>725621680
he's referring to the progressive tax rate, though I have no idea what his tax rate should be after taking everything into account.

>1990s
>$916 million loss

35m is just a drop in the bucket, that makes him smart, remember?

>>725620579
That doesn't even make any sense though. A billionaire paying 5% is paying a WAY higher gross than you paying 90%.

In fact, the "1%" (not the ACTUAL 1% which is a shadowy globalist cult that runs the international banking system), but the 1% that participates in the economy and owns and operates businesses, pay more than 50% of the gross tax revenue of the country. 1% of the population pays more than 50% of the taxes.

Where does your logic come in claiming that the rich should be paying double, when they're already paying more than anyone else both in % and in gross revenue. "What is your fair share of someone else's hard work" anon?

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>>725619902
Xer eyes look so fucking stoned

>>725619902
Three different people in three different businesses over three different years. Your point is?

>>725619902
I hadn't realized that Bernie Sanders is a multi-billionaire. You fucking retard.

>>725622539
The tax rates were very similar in all of those years.

Income taxes aren't determined by the business that you work in m8.

Your point is?

>>725622539
his point is trumptards are stupid and love spreading facts they don't understand to "prove" trump is not just a rich, senile, old man. i keep seeing the "look the debt went up with obama" charts and tons of other memes they don't undertsand too.

>>725619902
ITT people not knowing how percentages work

>>725622730
Yes, they are. Real estate has far different tax treatments than finance, which is also different from Sanders. Then we can get into carried interest, deferred payouts, conversions and other tools of high finance.

>>725622794
Literally every day I see actual Trump supporters posting satirical memes made to mock the intelligence of Trump supporters, and they don't even realize it.

>>725620579
Lol fuck you, stay poor you little bitch.

>>725619902
>the poor = 0%
>the middleclass = 25%
>the ritch = 75%
no problem here

>>725622954
Haha it's veritably admitting that you have no counter argument. Come on, you could at least try. It'll be funny!

>>725623011
>can't spell "rich"
>mfw four letter words are hard to spell

>>725619902

i'm no tax lawyer, but if Exxon-Mobil can pay $0 in taxes and actually get money back from the Government in subsidies, then isn't President Cheeto doing something wrong?
I mean it is obvious he is the worst manager ever and couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag on his own, but doesn't he have Lawyers that do this shit for him?

>>725621253
Because feelings

>>725623112
>only argument is spelling errors
nice. think this argument is over since you're obviously already out of arguments

>>725619902
assuming that it is even true ( it was mailed anonymously )

..one good take away.. based on his 2005 income tax, we can see that he would have saved 100 Million with the new laws he is pushing through.

what kind of dumb shit thinks a 1%er would betray their class for the fucking poor.

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>>725623506
yeah you are too busy giving your money to people richer than you.

fucking cuckservatives

but go on, blame the poor.

>>725623506
"Give"

Motherfucker they just take that shit.

And righties do the same shit with farm subsidies and defense spending and social security, so fuck off.

>>725620795
irrelevant, make an argument.

>>725623596
Easy there Bernie

>>725623506
Guaranteed this is written/shared by some soft middleclass douche who benefits a million times more from the society built with taxes than any of the people he demonizes.

>>725624019
nah, I'm with her faggot. nice, centrist candidate. all I wanted was

>fix obamacare
>start working on prison reform
>start pushing for more privacy rights, or at least resist obvious corporate bullshit
>keep bank regulations in place
>don't fuck anything up

economy improving, world relatively stable... and instead we get a fucking populist con-man baby boomer. I hope he dies in office from stress. And I hope before he dies he manages to fuck over every one of those fucking coal and steel cocksuckers who voted for him. I hope he breaks up their unions, and puts them to work at $3 an hour.

>>725620579
>>725620795
>>725621003
>>725621057

>Samefagging this hard

Why are liberals, sjws, millenials, and bernie fags so obsessed with rich people making money? Why not go out and make your own fortune? Im a poor fag but thats what im doing now and im happy for all the other successful people out there (except corrupt politicians that use their position to get money ie clinton family bush family or cheney family)

>>725622386

No they dont, you dolt. Seriously, with federal income at $1.5 trillion, and trump paying 35 mil, seriously?

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>>725624303
>belittles working class
>wonders why someone would vote Trump
>implying shillary wasn't also a populist

>>725624898
yeah great comparison fagtron.

>belittles working class
Just the ones dumb enough to vote against their own class, against their own interests. I want them to fucking pay. I guess they need a reminder that conservatives always fuck them over.

>>725624505
This. If you mke money in the free market it's because you have customers something they wanted more than their money.

If you made money off government, it's because you abused power and directed tax dollars to yourself.

>>725625425
I love when progressives tell me what my "best interests" are. It only cements the opinion that they are elitists that think they have a right to tell everyone else what to do.

>>725625425
>imwithher
Pretty sure you're the fagtron buddy.
Also since when do democrats help out the middle class? All they do is widen the gap between rich and poor. Look at Chicago and Detroit, both have always voted dems have a small middle class population

>>725624505
one reason: because the rich/poor gap has been rapidly increasing. It is destabilizing economically and politically.

you think liberals can't make money? that has nothing to do with it. It isn't "give me", its.. "quit stealing". I'm ecstatic for people who make money. I'm not some shit who like.. wants everyone else to fail. And I understand the frustration of being taxed heavily. But if you want a stable society, you need to keep things more balanced than they are now.

You want a successful nation, you provide them with education and healthcare.

Americans are so trapped in this "anyone can be a millionaire they just need to work hard" thing. It is a fucking lie.

>>725625904
way to pick fucking ghetto cities. republicans have done so much more to shift the tax burden to the middle class. Every massive tax cut, all that "trickle down" economics shit - more centralized wealth.

>>725625892
I love it when dumb hicks from fly over land tell me what kind of sex I can have, or what kind of god I need to worship. Oh wait even better - when they insist we should teach religion in the classroom, or ignore global warming because exxon/mobile told them to.

I should have known they would all vote for the guy who was on WWF or whatever you call your fake wrestling bullshit these days.

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>>725623506
Wtf is this us vs them shit? I thought this was America. All for one and none for all?

>>725626201
>implying flyover states even matter in elections

>>725619902
DRUMPF BTFO!!!!!111!!1!

>>725626755
>all for one and none for all
Uhh yeah, that's pretty much always been the "American way."

>>725620579
Sanders should get a fucking job, that old senile bastard.

>>725626808
you seen the senate and house lately?

>>725626755
Life will ALWAYS be Us vs Them, no matter what your hippie professors told you. You either dominate or you accept your place as a little bitch. Most wealthy people work intelligently to maintain and grow their wealth. Spic Nigger McRedneckpoorfag may "work hard", but if he doesn't "work smart", he's just wasting his time, and no one owes him jack shit. And no one owes little bastard kids anything except their mouth-breathing parents.

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>>725626201
Yes. Upward mobility for middle to lower classes are nearly impossible. It is more than likely you will stay in whatever class you were born into. This is India, right?

>>725627051
>Most wealthy people inherited their wealth without doing a single fucking thing to earn it.
ftfy

>>725626896
But not really, thought. Social security and other safety net programs?

>>725627335
>citation needed

>>725626755
honestly dont care if that person in the pic looks stupid you are just promoting them

>>725627051
>>725627051
you are too stupid to read aren't you.

rich people "work smart" because they are taught how to. you know what really wealthy people do? they don't work at all. think about that ok? they.don't.work. they just collect checks and go to rich ass social functions. and they are getting massive tax breaks because they call the shots.

They own the banks and companies that you maybe get a few thousand shares of if you are lucky. Those companies squeeze the middle and lower classes. Making sure the laws support it, because they pay the politicians.

Even when you have disruptive technology or changes that let people become millionaires / billionaires... look at silicon valley. you think all those Standford and Harvard kids would be there if it weren't for daddy's money in the first place?

>>725627258
don't get the india comment. joke about caste system? can't tell if agreeing with me :)

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>>725619902

>lol

I wonder who leaked that? Certainly not Trump or his posse themselves.

>>725627557
Hmm i wonder if that's why Trump got elected

>>725627051
Lie cheat steal. Gotcha. Id hate to be your business partner. What is so hard about treating your workers well? A little less money for you?

>>725627779
pretty sure that dude is still in college. no way he owns his own company.

>>725619902
>what is graduated income tax
Do you want to know why he paid more than Sanders and Romney? He made more. The more you make, the more you get taxed. You pay a higher percentage. That's how the US tax system works. They literally teach this in high school economics.

>>725627687
Agreeing with your sentiment. Spot on; caste system.

>>725627481
Really? Donald J trump? Small loan of a million dollars?

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>>725622391
Pink eye... from all the unshaved, free blooding, butch lezzies she eats out.

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>>725627891

>They literally teach this in high school economics.

You aren't really implying that OP finished High School to work in a coal mine?

>>725627891
you should talk less shit, since you don't know what you are talking about. go google yourself some cap gains tax.

>>725627928
cool... i think we are more mobile than some countries, but yeah. the great that rich poor gap, the more problems we are going to see. vertical mobility is the american dream.

>>725628073
will fap to later

>>725627877
By the way he sounds, probably high school.

>>725628075
Try harder.

>seriously try oh so much harder

>>725628157
yeah but you know. figured benefit of doubt.

>>725619902
Ah, Trump supporters - forever trying to turn shit into shinola

It's not that 2 pages from a decade old tax return was released and turned no smoking gun;
It's that the Chief Cheeto didn't want his returns released at all and some got out anyway

We'll get the rest of his returns whether he likes it or not

ITT people who don't understand marginal taxation and effective tax rates.

Also, the Alternative Minimum Tax. This is the biggest reason he didn't want to show his returns. 4% of his $39,000,000 taxes were federal taxes. 96% was attributed to the AMT.

Guess who has championed destroying the AMT for a long time? DJT

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>>725628119
Have another

>>725628228
>
..one good take away.. based on his 2005 income tax, we can see that he would have saved 100 Million with the new laws he is pushing through.

this is the best part. that needs to be communicated.

>>725628330
polygon

>>725620579
found the millennial lol

>>725620579

last time I checked once you hit +150.000 a year (at least here in my country) you are in the same income tax group or however it is called

so what's your point anon?

>>725628085
>you should talk less shit, since you don't know what you are talking about
It's basic economics. If you actually paid taxes you'd understand how they work.

>>725627891
If you make more, then you automatically pay more even if you pay the same % dumbass. 15% of 50k is $7500. 15% of 5 million is $750,000. Why does the % need to be higher if the same % automatically would make you pay more in taxes?

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Lel commies will never learn that you can't stump the Trump. The next eight years is going to be full of salty faggots getting BTFO at every turn.

>>725625425
>I guess they need a reminder that conservatives always fuck them over.
We have this situation in the UK, and they are fucking them over HARD, but nationalism, brexit and anti immigration is all they care about as they are genuinely convinced it's the root cause of all their woes and Britain's problem. A very useful tool to the conservatives here, but they are in danger of losing control to the first madman demagogue to come along with the means to win.
It doesn't help that the leader of the opposition here is an ineffective, unpopular shitcunt.

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>>725628180

That bitch could quit her job tomorrow and she'd still stay in public memory for decades to come. What a legend.

>>725628437
Why don't you ask the IRS. Not my fault that your stupid ass can't comprehend the American tax system.

>>725627335
actually only about 25% of all millionaires inherited their wealth. can source if you want, don't have it handy

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>>725628522
>That bitch could quit her job tomorrow
...and do PORN... please ... do PORN!

>>725627481
>Who is Elizabeth & Fred Trump?
>Who is Samuel Walton?
>Who is John D. Rockefeller?
>Who is E.I. du Pont?
>Who is Fred Koch?
>Who is Prescott Bush Sr.?
>Who is Lang Hancock?
Just to name a few. That's not even counting the "self-made" megarich who didn't traditionally inherit their fortunes, but instead "made" their fortunes through their parents political contacts. (William Gates Sr)

>>725628470
bush used gay marriage in the US to ensure he stayed president and continued iraq war. Every fucking time, they use emotional issues - and it feels like the right uses them more effectively. I don't know why.

but religion / fear / hatred are fucking powerful, and hard to counter. I think it is also worse because in the US - we are so focused on consumerism... that the fear button is already jammed down to hard - keeping people buying constantly.

Throw in the fragmented media, and i just don't know wtf to think, much less do about anything.

>>725628085
"American dream". We're behind Canada and most of Western Europe in economic mobility. Sad.

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>>725619902
>what is progressive taxation

What are you, five?

>>725628470
Oh and they vote consistently to remove/reduce their own security net for the unemployed and ill. This is because they have been strongly given the impression that it is a far bigger burden on the budget of the UK than it is in reality, with constant propoganda to dehumanise and slander those in need by constantly showing the minority that abuse the system.

The middle and working classes genuinely believe they are taxed for more than they get from the state. This is a lie, no one pays for themselves here already, and they are bit by bit voting to stop the rich bailing them out. Idiotic, but inevitable given the monstrous and popular right wing propaganda here in the uk

>>725628714
how many 100 millionaires. being a millionaire doesn't mean shit anymore. a decent doctor can be one.

>>725628470
sorry didn't reply to what you wrote. it sounds like thinks are fuxxord over there, and brexit fucking mystified me and seemed stupid as shit, and then we did something arguably worse.

>>725628867
I think people get fed up enough eventually to either vote the other way, or actually be motivated to get up and vote at all.
The real danger is electing anyone who will make it impossible to remove them, and the damage done in the interim.

>>725628867
Bush used the war to ensure he stayed president.

He told the American public that the war would go the way of Vietnam if he wasn't elected for a second term... and they bought it.

>>725629095
I genuinely think Brexit will not be good for this country, but I'm trying to keep an open mind. It is too soon to say and both sides need to stop grasping for evidence to support their claims that it is good or bad right now.

>>725629163
>He told the American public that the war would go the way of Vietnam if he wasn't elected for a second term... and they bought it.

Liberals told America if they did not vote for Obama's second ther they were racist... and the bought it

>>725625425
Every single black person who wanted to vote for Hillary would be voting against their best interest. Your logic works against you, moron

>>725628968
this kills me. it fucking kills me. basically they have been taught that the poor people are the problem. guess what - poor people don't have PR agencies and teams of lawyers and politicians in their pockets... the poor are easy to blame because they can't fight back.

or the refugees, or the catholics, or whatever minority you want to fuck with.

>>725629163
that was part of it, "you don't change horses midrace!" - but I know that using social issues to split america worked very well. I remember dems being "forced" to come out and say they were pro-gay marriage.
That turned a lot of people off.

They should have told the LGBT people to fucking shut the fuck up. That they could have dem support behind the scenes, or fucking republican christians shitting down their throats.

>>725629275
yeah, I think it is going to be shit too. It isn't like you are economically separated from europe or something. And the EU is gonna try and fuck you guys so hard for this...

if your leadership had any brains they would have just said "fuck it, were gonna have a do-over". That vote wasn't like legally binding was it?

>>725629487
yeah it sucks. it is a shitty tactic. but what do you do... let the other side pull that shit, and you just do the right thing? it is fucked up, and I have no idea what the solution is. shit the average person is too fucking busy, or dumb, to even grasp half of the issues.

So much delusion. You Americans are fucking idiots.

>>725620579
you do realize that in that same right he has the potential to lose millions right? his income comes from taking risks, unlike many who rely on someone else taking that burden and siphoning off a basic salary.

>>725628075
>implying you don't need AT LEAST a high diploma (and often a 2 or 4 year degree) PLUS a year or more of vocational training before you can even think about getting an underground operator's license.
>implying you liberal arts major ass would last one day in a coal mine both because you couldn't meet the physical demands and more importantly because you clearly don't have even a vague concept of the engineering know-how necessary to work safely underground
>implying Trump hasn't already repealed several regulations that did NOTHING but hurt coal miners and only a moron with no knowledge of coal mining would think help the environment.
>implying there aren't typos in your shit meme

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>>725629275
Are you sure you're not being confused by the positive front officials put on for negotiations?

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>>725627722
double dubs, chek'd

>>725629563
And who were they supposed to vote for? Third party? A party that hasn't won since George Wallace.

>>725629752
>only a moron with no knowledge of coal mining would think help the environment.

So tell me again why dumping coal debris and chemicals into streams is ok for the environment?

I'm willing to be educated here. I know that laws can be fucked up - but it isn't like the EPA is out there deliberately ruining jobs.

>>725622386
Oppositely a billionaire taking 95% wealth is a lot more too though

>>725623596
>giving
It's their money cuck. They worked for it. You gov kikes just want more shekels and more control over us.

>>725629563
I'm sorry, please explain this to me. I was talking about people who vote against their class. eg: poor people voting for people who want to cut programs for the poor.

>>725630031
>gov kikes
you mean like goldman sachs and the jew banks? do you even know who the enemy is?

>>725630031
Found the alt-rightist

>>725628832
Dont use facts and reason with liberals, they dont understand the importance of objective truth and facts. Only feelings seem to work when debating with a liberal.

>>725629841
I'm going purely by the visitor comments on the many news sites I visit, people I talk to/hear talking every day(I work in public).

The official face has to be like that of course, unless they turn round to the plebs and tell them to get fucked like they usually do. Which they won't since the plebs got up and voted for this.
Most people I spoken to or heard that voted out did so because they believed it would fix the countries number 1 problem in their eyes. Immigration.
Pro-tip: It won't fix that debatable problem, and the powers that be are playing with fire by using those sentiments to win votes and never delivering. The daily mail is frankly out of control these days as well.

>>725630392
ok infowars

>>725630296
Found the liberal glory hole

If the gov't gives a $100,000 tax break to a company will they hire an unnecessary worker? Expand their inventory even though demand remains static? No, and they'd be stupid to do so.

That same $100,000 put into the hands of those with a high propensity to spend will create additional demand which will precipitate the hiring of another worker, expanded production, etc. that will, in turn, pump more money back into the economy. A positive feedback loop if you will.

And the Federal Reserve has this thing called the Federal Funds Rate that can be used as a break on an economy that is getting too hot with inflation and very low unemployment. Inflation has been below the target rate for a long fucking time.

It's really not that fuckin difficult.

>>725630458
>>725630392
seriously, fuck off back to /pol/ cuck

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>>725629487
>some people said on tumblr
vs
>the sitting president said to the nation

>>725630392
Oh do smeg off, there's a minority on both sides that are like that, you are very much on the right wing side of the don't use objective truth and facts.
It may blow your mind but Breibart and inforwars are not impartial either. Nor are info graphics made by stormfags.

>>725628165

Doesn't look like he's trying very hard at all, he's just stating some rudimentary facts.

You must be projecting. Are facts hard for you?

>>725629752

>>implying you don't need AT LEAST a high diploma (and often a 2 or 4 year degree) PLUS a year or more of vocational training before you can even think about getting an underground operator's license.


Yeah, all those hillbillies from coal country are so scared about the coal industry going down because they are so highly qualified and educated and would easily find something different.

>>725629606
>if your leadership had any brains they would have just said "fuck it, were gonna have a do-over". That vote wasn't like legally binding was it?
Its not a democracy if a goverment can overrule an election and redo it untill the results pleases the goverment.

Liberals and leftists only like democracy if its thier own agenda thats being pushed.

Dont you understand how democracy works, you filthy communist?

>>725630504
its funny - when I told my dad that Trump was basically paying carrier 7 million to keep 700 people working, he went on this rant about how giving jobs to those people stimulates the economy that they spend money locally, blah blah blah.

But used that exact same argument about why getting extra money to the lower class, better health care, etc... that they spend their money immediately! on rent / food / etc...

And he just said BAH you don't know what you are talking about.

seriously. that is the american conservative.

>>725630516
Lol liberals are cucks faggot. How's your wife's son doing?

>>725619902
J

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>>725630801
was the election binding?

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>>725630392
>Dont use facts and reason with liberals, they dont understand the importance of objective truth and facts.
You just replied to a "liberal."

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>>725630516
I'm not sure my heart can take eight years of all this salt

>>725630850
sorry kuk. we all know the frog god you worship over there. kuk kuk kuk.

Pointing your quivering finger at muslims and mexicans blaming them for your problems. while the wealthy in this country fuck your wives into the ground.

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>>725630533

vs
>the house intelligence committee subpanel on Russian influence on the 2016 U.S. election working with the FBI, CIA, and NSA

>>725630803
Hilarious and not surprising.

>>725629163

A sitting president has never lost a reelection in time of war.

>>725631065
What does this have to do with Bush or Obama?

>>725631058
This.
Also they don't have wives there for the most part, too much friend zoned bitterness, and calling chicks degenerate for not liking them and their neet ways.

>>725619902
But Sanders is a poorfag. Ge's the one who keeps starting those "Steam Begging Threads," or did you not know that?

>>725631114
he also doesn't care about trumps conflicts of interest. "so what if he makes some money".

6 months ago

>Hillary is a crook, took money from saudis

uh ok dad. you know thats basically what trump is doing, right?

>at least he doesn't take money from muslims

show him Trump with those dubai muslims on new years

>bah that is fake news

>>725629959
It's not that the EPA is "out there trying to ruin jobs." It's that the people who are making the regulations have ulterior motives. That is punishing people who don't vote for them (coal mining communities and the domestic energy industry) and rewarding those who do (upper middle class hippies and wall street types with foreign energy interests)

As to the Obama regulations themselves I could go on for hours how blatantly political and ineffectual it was. ALL mines (and factories and even all residential communities) have runoff. Where mine runoff problematicly disturbs waterways and ground water you have to fix it as well as the state of the art will allow. Before during and after the Obama regs (which never even really took effect). What they did was make it basically impossible to get a permit in to open or expand a mine in the first place by forcing you to show no harmful effects beforehand, which is basically impossible to do and for which there's literally no standard.

>>725631278
And he has the TV set to Fox News round the clock I assume.

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>>725630803
>seriously. that is the american conservative.

WORK creates good sand services ... welfare creates NOTHING... do you see the difference... people on welfare contribute NOTHING to our economic growth... people with jobs increase the common goods and services

>>725631303
Coal is not the way forward. You can't believe that it is, right?

>>725631412
I NEED MA GOOD SAND SERVICES

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>>725631303

>foreign energy interests

What is that? Are you retarded?

>>725631058
Awww you seem angry. Did your university shut down your safety circle cry zone? Or did mummy n daddy take away your allowance?

>2005 is somehow more relevant than 2011 or 2014

what percentage did he pay last year? oh? we have no idea?

>>725631412
see>>725630504


PS if you pay a guy to dig a hole and fill it back in for 12 hours a day 7 days a week does that create anything better than giving that same paycheck to somebody doing absolutely nothing?

No. Your logic is flawed.

ITT: wut r taxs

>>725629784
ecks dee

>>725631278
Kek

>>725626201
I don't hink millionaires believe anyone can do it. I think that they succedded where others might have failed. They believe that they are exceptional *because* they made it. They do not feel that everybody is exceptional. By this definition, btw...they are right about geing exceptional.

Love conservacucks bragging about the very same jobs reports that they vilified and annihilated as phony two months ago.

>>725631303
Thanks - I appreciate that explanation. I don't think that liberals have ever been about punishing coal / steel workers. Those are traditionally the democrat base.. but I could certainly be wrong. I'm in AZ, so we have different local issues ... coal isn't one of them.

>>725631412
ok tell that to a single mother making below the poverty line while working... those food stamps? you know what? they go for food. That medicaid? It means when she or her kids get sick, they can get help.

>>725631544
no, some dumb fucking hicks voted for a WWF conman president because they are scared of mexicans, and the idea of a woman president was fundamentally disturbing to them. Oh and because Obama was a muslim just like Huma, who would secretly be helping the muslim brotherhood behind the scenes.

>>725631382
yeah he's been pissed though lately - I guess Fox has been having some like "opposing view" point stuff going on. He was raging about it last week.

>>725631412
goods and services... not my fault a good spell and grammar checker is not built into this

>>725631177
G.H Bush did.

The Gulf War didn't officially end until Nov 30, 1995.

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>>725631725
they aren't very bright you know

>>725630794
No dumbass. They're worried about the coal industry because they're fucking miners. I highly doubt you work, but let's assume you work in IT. (A job with similar education requirements to a modern mining professional)

If people were trying to ban computers because of the environmental effects of silicon production and then simultaneously importing cheap foreign abacuses and adding machines that are being sold at a loss by despotic regimes and you complained about it, wouldn't you be a little pissed off if people said "lol uneducated pajeet! Why doesn't he just get a different job with his Microsoft IT cert!" ?

>>725629606
>refugees
Its all fine and dandy untill you hear that your prepubecent daughter has been raped by a filthy "child" afghani at a public bathhouse.

You dont seem to understand that the "refugees" coming to Europe, and especially Sweden, arent from syria where the war is, but rather from Afghanistan.

These same people lie about thier age to get special benefits, because Sweden doenst actually test their ages through medical processes, but rahter just belive what the "refugee" says.

So these bearded men get to go to school with our kids, and they rape and commit crime without getting punished, because in Sweden they dont get any punishment if they are under 15 (which everyone claims to be).

Not long ago there was a rape here in Stockholm, four Algerian "kids" raped a girl, they were convicted but not punished. One of the algerians had diffrent records in other European countries and interpool, at all places he was registered with a diffrent age. The court deemed his age "unknown" even though the other records proved he was older. He was sent to a care facillty for two months.

There is a reason we dont like refugees, they do nothing but bring crime and live like parasites on our extensive welfare system (which is failing due to immigration) which provides them with school, food, living, healthcare and every perk of our system, WITHOUT having to pay.

Fuck you, you cuck.

>>725631702
I wasn't referring to millionaires, I'm referring to every who thinks that all you have to do to succeed is work hard. And that people who aren't succeeding ( eg: poor ) are just lazy. I mean look at these bullshit welfare drug test issues going on. They did it in florida, and all it did was make some pharma company rich as fuck. less people on welfare use drugs than in the general workforce.

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>>725631751
>a single mother making below the poverty line while working

she is WORKING and helping the economy VS staying at home getting stoned and knocked up by Tyrone or his brother Jerome

>>725631951
Where do you get this idea that refugees rape at a higher rate than your white neighbors do?

Because they don't and you are a faggot pussy for buying into that shit.

>>725631951
look man, that isn't the US. we take a very very small percentage of refugees who are all filtered like crazy. You have a different problem in europe. Honestly, Id rather have my daughter raped by a refugee than shot up by some white kid at school. Or tortured to death like that german fuck did.

>>725631981
but you still want to take away her food stamps and her medicaid.

>>725623112
You gots to add the T because taxing the rich, they get the itch

Sorry for party rocking, homie, guess I'll take a hike amirite

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top kek

>>725631955
>less people on welfare use drugs than in the general workforce
No shit. Drugs habits are expensive af.

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>>725631822

>but let's assume you work in IT

No actually I am a mechanical engineer.

>If people were trying to ban computers because of the environmental effects of silicon production and then simultaneously importing cheap foreign abacuses...

Great analogy. No really.

If being on welfare is so fucking glorious and easy and you are envious of them why don't you just quit your job and hop aboard the gravy train?

>>725632179
>but you still want to take away her food stamps and her medicaid.
NO... keep those... just WORK... do not sit at home doing nothing

well thanks to those who had legit discussions in here. red pill cucks, go back to /pol/ please. That is your safespace, please stay there.

>>725632294
you have no idea how food stamps or medicaid work do you?

>>725632294
I think you're making an argument for a universal basic income and you don't even know it yet.

>>725631593
this is bait. perfect employment rate does not equal strong economy.. his point is clearly that if you dont work you dont eat. you have to find a way to work that is needed or kept out of percieved value. todays issue is a bunch of fucking neets and niggers and older generations that didnt go to college when it was pressing of an education standard now dont want to go back and lack the skills to get a job to NOT starve or put any savings back into making their situation better. even though we may define values as numbers, wealth is a spectrum.
the whole fucking issue with this dumb welfare shit is people being irresponsible, and conservatives say suck it up and fucking deal with your problems, while dems are just over here stroking your hand but not truly helping the situation

>>725631465
The way forward? Wtf does that platitudinous bullshit mean? Coal will form a major part of American electrical production for the rest of your life. American coal will form an essential component to high quality steel produced here and abroad literally forever. Because that's how you make steel and unless liberals manage to fuck it up, American coal extraction is the most efficient in the world.

>>725631520
Yes. Are you unaware financial concerns with major holdings in middle eastern, Latin American, russian, and west African oil production all supported obama and hilary to the tune of tens of millions of dollars?

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>>725631951

>Its all fine and dandy untill you hear that your prepubecent daughter has been raped by a filthy "child" afghani at a public bathhouse.
>public bathhouse

Are you a Pakistani or a Faggot?

>>725632378
why are your coal jobs disappearing?

>>725631702
1 in 7 households are millionaires in the U.S.

>>725619902
what did you do to my girl rachel?

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>>725632194
>charged with soliciting prostitution of a minor, prostitution within 1,000 feet of church
TOP KEK
Also, why does Trump keep hanging out with pedos?

>>725632364
Not that anon you are talking to but just wondering how much your taxes have been reduced under Fuhrer Trump. Oh that's right, they won't be.

>>725632056
Hey fuckhead, you dont live here do you? Do you read our news? No, because you're an dumb american thinking you know it all.

Heres some reading for you:
>http://nyheter24.se/nyheter/inrikes/824900-14-overgrepp-pa-badhus-i-stockholm-tioariga-tjejer-utsatta (a leftist newletter, for liberals like you)
>http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/sexuella-overgreppen-pa-badhus-okar/ (Swedish MSM)
>https://sv.gatestoneinstitute.org/7582/badhusen-sexuella-trakasserier
>http://nyheteridag.se/polisrapport-om-sexovergrepp-i-grupp-garningsmannen-ar-framst-unga-asylsokande/

All these articles, from varying sources talk about AFGHANI refugees and the sexual assault they have caused in public bathouses.

Are you still not going belive me after me proving my point? Does facts still not apply?

Not only are you stupid, but blind aswell, what a pity.

So did he release his tax returns?

>>725619902
everyone knows trump pays zero taxes because of claiming past losses, this shit is fake

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>>725632483
it's a republican thing

>>725632508
What is cherry picking?

>>725632581
Hell no, and says he's not going to.

>>725632179
So why the fuck do you americans apply your dumb ideas to Europe, you dont live here, and why should we pay for Obamas wars? Why does our country have to pay for king niggers dumb proxy wars and destabilazation.

>>725632508
How do you expect me to check your sources that are written in refugee?

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>>725632353

NO... we WILL always support CHILDREN, so the fucking lazy mothers CAN live off them a while... BUT we need to make it VERY uncomfortable for the mothers if they do not work. Food stamp and BASIC housing OK. But NO TV or EXTRA income... the lazy fat fuck rat can only live off her kids so long... then on the street you go unless you get a job.

>>725632751
>NO TV or EXTRA income

laughed out loud when I read that.

>>725632387
Im not a native english speaker fuck head, the swedish word is "badhus", directly translating to bathhouse.

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>>725632686
>why the fuck do you americans apply your dumb ideas to Europe, you dont live here
>proceeds to apply dumb ideas to the US, a place they don't live

>>725632821
Why are you participating in this American thread, refugee get out of here.

>>725626201
The rich/poor gap has been rapidly increasing because globalism & mass immigration, the rich have always paid fuck all taxes in USA

Joe Six Pack can't make a good living if Pablo will do his job for half the price or wang chong in China will do it for $2 an hour

>>725632581
no

>>725632586
it might be real who knows what his accountants did that year. maybe it was the year they realized they underpaid in the past.

>>725632686
I don't I mostly ignore the EU. You have to pay for it because.. i dunno. US #1? EU #4? I mean I'm sorry for it.

>>725632751
you have no idea what it means to be poor. you've clearly never lived below or even near the poverty line. your idea that everyone on welfare is some fucking mooch is simply incorrect.

And you know what? if it were true, it would still make sense to get money to those people.

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>>725632449

>why are your coal jobs disappearing?

Because that fascist librl government forces mining companies to obey work-safety and environmental regulations unlike the Chinese. Ok, there is every week a report about a few dozen chinese minders killed in a mining collapse or explosion but fuck it. Dey took oua jobs!

>>725632901
If only our air quality was like it is in China!!

Live would be SO much better for everyone!

>>725632499
>nice dubs
I don't pay taxes if I don't work. I don't pay taxes if I don't realize my gains. Feels good to be an accounting major about to graduate with no debt, 80k to my name and a car. I don't even work rn but may start back soon.

>>725619902
who the hell is this guy OP? he looks like he's got cancer or AIDS, or maybe both.

>>725631204
>calling chicks degenerate for not liking them and their neet ways.
This.
During HS, my gf told me that all the guys that were interested in her that she didn't have mutual interest in would be total cunts to her afterwards. Funny how those types of dudes are usually the ones spouting accountability but blame women for not liking them.

>>725632901
fuck i thought you were serious for a second lol.

>>725632883
yeah it is a problem. I don't know what the solution is either. I guess you could strip away the unions and OSHA and EPA and shit.

>>725621253
Because the media told me not to like him. Never really had an opinion of him before but now that he's become a racist homo/islam/xena/phone I hate him

>>725632901
These coal miners are not soft cock liberals, they lose an eye & drink it off

>>725632654
I didnt choose the swedish stormfront for a reason dickhead, I used a leftist newsletter (nyheter24) and expressen (a mainstream media outlet, what trump would call fake news)

You have yet to proven your point that refugees dont rape and assault people, I've provided hard evidence, you have not.

8 more years faggot

>>725633001
Wow your parents set you up pretty decently!

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>>725632888
>it would still make sense to get money to those people.
NOOOOO... they need to WORK to make the economy bigger... colored people can not all live off the back of the hard working white people... work you lazy fucks... WORK!!!

>>725633153
8 more years of you not being an American I'm fine with that. We have enough traitors to deal with already.

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>>725632821
Not the same guy, but he's asking why in the fuck you'd take your kids (or yourself) to a public bathhouse?

Public bathhouses are for the 3rd world. And, in the first world, are a known place to hook up with literal faggots.

>>725631489
Lololol

>>725633071
I've had an opinion of him for years. He's a con man piece of shit. US banks won't even touch him. Why you think he got in so deep with a german bank ( which, BTW was just fined for funneling 10B in laundered money for the Russians ) . Trump is a fucking joke, and has been for decades.

>>725633333
shit, quints knows whats up.

>>725632873
What did i apply? I asked a question didnt I? I know you americans eat like shit, but letting the diabetes make you blind, cmon man step it up.

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>>725624786
They do fucktard, many Americans pay negative tax

>>725633457
you were initially saying that refugees were a problem. in america, they aren't.

>>725633233
>Traitors

How old are you really?

>>725622720
He's a millionaire and the top tax bracket is around 250000 a year

>>725633688
what is wealth vs income

>>725633263
Dont you have swimming pools in america? A big house with a pool that you use in the sport of swimming? Thats the place im referring to

>>725633163
Yeah I've always been taught higher education is the way to elevate your status in the world. You should try it out. Life insurance cost pennies a day. There's my two cents on how you can benefit the world.

>>725633886
That's quite literally not a bathhouse, it's a public swimming pool. Not even synonymous with each other.

>>725632449
A) they are NOT to nearly the extent the news would make you believe. Still employ tens of thousands of people directly and the wider mining services and engineering industries are well into the 100s of thousands.

B) what are the threats to the American coal industry?
>Overregulation by political forces who hate us "stupid hicks who cling to our guns and bibles"
The American coal industry is already the safest and cleanest on earth. Calls for regs are almost always politically motivated.
>Preference to foreign energy
Despite the above, the same political forces are all too happy to allow cheap foreign produced oil to flood our market. If the environment were really these people's concern, why are they so eager to offshore these devistating externalities to countries that give zero fucks about the environment and will poison their whole ecosystem to get one more percent of world energy production?
>technological efficiencies
The last 30-40 years have massively modernized the mining industry in this country. Miners today are highly trained professionals operating millions of dollars of equipment. Many fewer of them get much more done than their predecessors. This change has largely taken place already. THOSE jobs (the big shifts of uneducated labor) are gone. They've been gone for 20 or more years. When we talk about coal jobs today that is NOT what we're talking about. We're talking about engineers, geologists, underground operators, environmental analysts, etc etc.

This painting of miners as dumb hicks who swing picks and just want the government to keep their shit jobs around is absurd. We just want the government to stop trying to fuck us over because they find coal icky and also to take our side in disputes with foreign energy producers.

Is that so much to ask?

>>725634047
You learn something new everyday, our words are pretty much the same but have diffrent meanings.

>>725633950
You missed the point about your parents setting you up. The average Bachelor's grad has around 30k in debt. I have 32k myself.

Having somebody pay to put you through some of the easiest 4 years of your life doesn't exactly make you a hero. Add 80k on top of that and not have to work a side job or two during all of it? You're so jaded you don't even know it.

>>725631981
>>725631981
There are more white people on welfare than blacks who are far less eloquent than Jerome or Tyrone. Ever seen the documentary The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia?

>>725631751
looks like youre a tucson fag. Go get a job at a grocery store for a week. Poor people don't spend their food stamps properly. They over purchase the instant they get their money and damn near starve till the end of the month. Also our shitlords can buy liquor with their cash portion on their ebt card instead of diapers. System is broken as fuck.

>>725634335
Although those are valid points that definitely do occur on a daily basis...while you were bitching about that black bitch on welfare buying lobster Citi Group just stole $150 out of your back pocket.

>>725633886
Oh, public pools. Yeah, there are some. Many people use the pools in gyms now, which require memberships to enter. Other people have private pools.

Legit public swimming pools are usually avoided. (Because they're generally poorly maintained, and overrun with rednecks and niggers.)

>>725634235
More whites(62% of the population) than blacks (12% of the population)

>how does math work?

>>725634628
I just go to the ocean and I live in Maine. Shit's cold as FUCK

>>725624319
Most likely this

>>725634696
I'd assume so. Anything below 50 is too cold for me.

>>725632292
Who the fuck is saying that being on welfare is glorious? I'm sure a majority of people on welfare would much rather a have a job and financial security.

>>725634167
Cry me a fucking river faggot. You know nothing about me. You have 32k debt because you chose a college that cost that much. You probably chose to live on campus or something stupid. I chose to stay near home and finish college. My parents havent given me a dime to buy a car or go to college. I'm all grants/scholarships and a year ago a life insurance sum. Which changed nothing bc I just put it in a CMA and every January scrape the top off to max out my roth ira. I chose a cheap college that I believe is up and coming in my area, as a result of that I pay less than 3 grand a semester tuition & books and ill be graduating from a state board certified university. I got an okay hand and I think i'm playing it well.

>>725635136
>t. A man who doesn't know niggers

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>>725619902
the jew payed the least amount taxes

>>725632346
Kek. Sad.

>>725620579
Defends 13.5% tax rate on a salary of 175k/yr

disgusting

>>725623596
>cares about the poor
>mocks blue collar voters who shop at walmart
>adores elites

>>725619902
Wasn't 2005 like a dozen years ago?

>>725632346
>red pill cucks, go back to /pol/ please. That is your safespace, please stay there.

I am missing something? I thought taking the red pill was good being aware? Does this have to do with political spectrum i.e. Red repubs and blue dems?

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>>725635136
>I'm sure a majority of people on welfare would much rather a have a job and financial security.
Normal people yes... niggers no

>>725619902
>Trump 2005 tax rate: 25%
And how much did he actually pay?

>>725635219
You live in your parents basement you cavedwelling pleb. Grow the fuck up and move on with your life. Grow a sack virgin shit head.

>>725635706
>I thought taking the red pill was good being aware?
For a time, it was.
Now taking the "red pill" often includes blindly believing Alex Jones, religiously worshiping [insert alt-right political figure here], etc etc.

>>725635710
that is the dumbest pic ive seen on 4chan in months

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>>725635798
>And how much did he actually pay?

There is special kind of stupid... and you are it.

$38 million.

>>725636218
>Alex Jones

He's just a lolcow, no one takes him seriously.

>>725635954
Somebody sounds upsetti spaghetti.

>>725636268
Oh, so you've seen the tax returns? You can easily prove Trump paid that much?

>>725636349
Tell that to /pol/

>>725636349
This. I'm finding it hysterical how since hillary's lulzy speech, democrats unironically think we believe we get our ideas from AJ.

>>725636579
/pol/ak here. No one thinks the humble water filter salesman is anything but entertainment. Not one single person. You've been trolled so hard it's not even funny. Your fucking presidential candidate got outtrolled by a mental defective from Texas who screams for a living.

>>725626201
>But if you want a stable society, you need to keep things more balanced than they are now.
>You want a successful nation, you provide them with education and healthcare.
How long did Obama have again?

>I love it when dumb hicks from fly over land
Way to change their mind, right there. I'm not even a septic, and I fucking hate you.

>I should have known they would all vote for the guy who was on WWF
I think the WWF does stirling work, and I like their panda badge.

>>725634652
Only proves that more whites on welfare.