>s/fur thread where the "s" stands for SCIENCE!

S stands for SUCC

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What does everyone think of the idea of transfer of consciousness? Like some sort of "Build-a-Body," be it mechanical or organic.

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>>725576593
I don't think its possible. I believe that the consciousness is a result of the physiological and chemical make up of your nervous system

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For scientific purposes only.
Of course.

>>725576812
What about transplanting your brain into a custom body?

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>>725576593
I think once people open up the the idea of cloning humans, the transferring of one's consciousness will be possible. You could sort of download their memories or something and put them in the clone. In a way, you could achieve immortality I suppose

>>725576812
>>725576593

some studies in the field of psychology would suggest otherwise.
this is one example but an interesting one:
there is a region in the brain for comprehending image object shape, and anther for object color, but none for combining the two pieces of information. So how do we know the objects shape and color simultaneously?

So it is probably not feasible.

>>725576913
That is a feasibility, but then it's just transferring you and not body-swapping or any of that stuff.

>>725576992
I think that by transferring the illusion of one's own conscious, the original person dies and in their place is a discount and convincing copy that thinks it is them.

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>>725576593
i lied I'm still here but gonna play a game before bed. One more day till I take some time off.

I have difficult in thinking of myself as anything beyond my physical form. Sure perhaps n AI could mimic by thought process perfectly, but I would never consider that "me". I consider an organic component with my brain intact to be requisite to any supposed idea of immortality. So these stupid programs that keep your social media accounts active after your dead and the things that will inevitability arise from them are dumb.

If your so scared about dying Do something about it, or do something with what you been given

Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

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>>725576820
I would like to read your research notes then

>>725576913
Didn't think about that. I think it could be theoretically possible.

>>725576992
cloning and transferring a consciousness isn't exactly the same thing so having the former doesn't automatically open up the option of the latter.


I feel like a huge bummer now thinking of reasons all these things wouldn't work. Maybe that's why I never liked science fiction. It could never suspend my disbelief

>>725577357
death is a necessary part of life, as it causes one to raise important questions and enjoy life. Life becomes boring if you live it forever.

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>>725577544
But how can you say that for sure? No one's ever been immortal.

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>>725577501
>>725577348
They were just thoughts. Maybe some time in the future we can find a way to completely transfer a consciousness to another body.

But for now, I'm gonna need more gifs and webms if anyone has them. I'll post some more too.

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Y'all talk about this like we don't still have at least 200 years of religious sorts suppressing it, and by then they'll be beaming ads and propaganda into your subconscious and you'll be too mindfucked to think for yourself anyway.

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>>725577544
it might become boring, how can you say for sure with out any evidence? In the end it will be strength of mind and natural curiosity that dictates that I wager.

>>725577544
wait, are we talking about a nutrient cycle? IF so them yes we need things to die.

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>>725577729
Sure thing.

>>725577676
Life is full of both evil and good.
It is a blessing to experience it, but to have too much of it for too long just leads to a feeling of emptiness.
That plus if there is an afterlife, then you will forever be separated from God, which is not worth it.

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I feel like it may be possible to upload one's consciousness into a machine somewhere in the future.

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>>725577939
Nobody says you can't leave when you want to. You just get to be the one making that decision.

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>>725577850
Thank you kind soul


Anyone have that discord link?

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>>725577729
now gifs I can do

>>725577816
if we're lucky religious restrictions will die when the last of the baby boomers die. I'm so tired of the disproportionate number of old people in government

>>725578052
I'm confused an tired.
I'm going now anons.
It was nice to visit this thread after so long.
b'bye

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>>725578076
Jesus Christ why are you so desperate to speak with a bunch of autistic furfags?

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>>725578230
Bye.

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>>725578145
when the old ones now die other old ones will take their places, you don't like it vote them out

Because I could not stop for Death
He kindly stopped for me
The Carriage held but just Ourselves
And Immortality.

>>725578237
Source?

>>725577958
we don't even know what consciousness is or where it resides in the human (if it even does).
we might just end up uploading a very convincing copy of them that lacks consciousness.

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>>725578230
goodnight, anon. I hope you decided to get off, for yiff is a gift unto us all

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oi

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You want irl furries? Robots are the closest, cheapest, most feasible and customizable solution.
Programmable consciousness, simulated tissues, and easy to acquire. The physical technology is mostly here, but the simulated conscious AI is some years off. Give it some time and put some money into it, and they will be real.

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>>725578237
I just want to be able to share with other people and see what they have. I don't think there's anything wrong with it as long as I'm posting

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>>725578446
Hello.

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>>725578507
HI winter. How has your day been?

>>725578486
>Programmable consciousness
No one knows what conciousness is, how it exists, where it exists, or why it exists.
To assume AI would be conscious is foolhardy, at best.

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>>725578597
Pretty dull. Was snowed in all day. How about you?

>>725578366
source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic7StOMRBOU

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>>725578506

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>>725578675
is that such a bad thing? Lots of wind and a slow day at work.

kk now i go.
see you guys.

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>>725578353
I've been trying. The other old people who won't die outnumber me though and keep voting them back in!

>>725578366
have no idea

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>>725578446
Oi lad, how ya fare?

>>725578661
Simulated conscious. It can be done. It isn't reasonable to perfectly mirror the neural process of thought that humans go through. This is unique to every human, anyway. To develop a character with changing, evolving thought is the goal.

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>>725578809

>>725579092
that is not consciousness though.
that is personality, but not consciousness.

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>>725579169
If you can't define consciousness, how do you know it exists?

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>>725579092
Pretty good Mr. T How about you?

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>>725578796
that's a pretty good song for a shitpost. I'm gonna have to check them out now.

>>725579169
>>725579280
We philosophical now

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>>725579333
Not bad. Nice 3's.
Just thought I'd engage in some interesting conversation before hitting the sack.

>>725576314

https://www.rabb.it/r/9tojfc

>>725579280
If you are aware of your own existence then you are conscious. The problem is we cannot be sure other people are conscious and that i or you are the only conscious being in existence.
Consciousness is only felt by the person experiencing it.
Therefore we will never know when robots become conscious, if they ever do.

>>725579451
all science is rooted in philosophy of some sort.

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>>725579507
It's nice talking to and meeting you. Any requests?

>>725578796
This is actually pretty good.

>>725579280
Just becasue something cannot be defined does not mean it does not exist.

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>>725579665

More stuff like that

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>>725579104

>>725579675
it is.
Fever the Ghost is a great band.
I wish they would get more exposure though.

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>>725579818
can do anon.

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>>725579451
>>725579555
I just think the whole idea of human consciousness and the awareness of our own existence isn't unique to humans, and is explainable. We just like to think our higher order of thought isn't explainable like, say, animal instinct. Our quest for understanding is driven by our instinct to stand out in a social group, which is an instinct of early primates.

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>>725579837
Where does everyone get their gifs and webms from? And tags I should be using on e621 or whatever?


Also still looking for that discord :)

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>>725579555
This go all Empiricism on yo ass if it aint a posteriori it aint right amirite

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>>725576555
version without text exist?

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Alright, I'm gonna head to bed. Goodnight, s/fur.

>>725580042
>>725580042
That is not the case though.
Many scientifically minded (religious background and not) have attempted to find its existence, and there exists no region in the brain nor any physical and objective methods to measure it.

I don't think understanding being an evolutinoary mechanism works too well either, as working in groups and collectivism is how humans survived this long. If you have ever been in a school alos, you would notice that standing out is a taboo and worth shit.

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>>725580271
Look up your favorite kinks and check out the tags on the sidebar for other ways to find things you like. I get a lot of my shit from e621, yiffy.cz and tumblr. I don't really collect webms or gifs so I can't help you there.

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>>725580624
Goodnight. Thanks for contributions

>>725580629
in addition, individualism is evolutionary disadvantageous.

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If an AI ever comes along that demands it's intelligence be treated as consciousness, would it then gain Natural Rights?

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>>725580709
A lot of my kinks only had a few posts that weren't futa or plain garbage sadly. They aren't even that far out honestly.

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>>725580449
bitch u aint chained up there cuse I a faggot, now spread tho ass cheeks bae

If we are not stupid or insincere when we say that the good or ill of man lies within his own will, and that all beside is nothing to us, why are we still troubled?

>>725576593
If it was anything like in Kaiba, then I'd be glad to switch memories and fuck the shit out of myself but that's about it for me. I would be insanely scared that everyone I knew was an impostor.

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>>725579590
good point

>>725579838
they've got at least my attention now

>>725580042
consciousness can mean something different to any person you ask and no scientific definition exists in the way we're talking about it as far as I'm aware

Anyway I should be out for the night. I leave the new thread responsibility to you guys. Thanks for the dumb talks, they were fun. Made s/fur good for something other than just spank material

>>725580824
no. because it will not know pain nor emotion. It will have a single purpose and will go to all lengths to fullfill it and become fulfilled.
If humans knew what their purpose was, they would go to all lengths to fullfill it. Nazis thought it was ethnic purity, stalin thought it was to improve the communist regime, serial killers for multiple reasons.

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>>725580629
>If you have ever been in a school alos, you would notice that standing out is a taboo and worth shit.
I disagree. Every cool kid I remember from my school days stood out in some way or another from everybody else. Either being better, smarter, stronger or prettier in some way gave them attention. Whether this attention was good or bad is up to the viewer, but they sure got laid a lot more than I did.

could you apply the "ship of thesus" paradox to theoretically to move consciousness from one vessel to another?

oh my god
too many gifs
they're all so good

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>>725581099
Night anon, sleep well!

>>725581108
Pain is relative, so how do we define pain that isn't ours?
Also don't humans have a single purpose (to reproduce) that we reach by fulfilling many other tiny purposes? Would AI's also fulfill this purpose in a similar fashion, by making it the ultimate goal supported by smaller goals?

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>>725581241
Interesting. I guess it depends if you physically copy brain cells. If not, than I wouldn't think the ship of thesius paradox would matter to neural pathways.

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>>725578796
I like the 70s funk vibe but the singer is very generic like your average 201x indie band, i cant place the name at the moment but his voice is very close to another band I have a CD or two of

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Does anyone else plan out their funerals an stuff. Like I have a running playlist of song I want played after I die to remember me by. I only ask because I was talking to a friend of mine about it and I had never considered the possibility of not planning events in your life out.

>>725581797
it might, in the matter of the "formal cause" of an object, ie the design of the brain when the neural pathways are built.

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Even as the Sun doth not wait for prayers and incantations to rise, but shines forth and is welcomed by all: so thou also wait not for clapping of hands and shouts and praise to do thy duty; nay, do good of thine own accord, and thou wilt be loved like the Sun.

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>>725581897
I have an audio recording of myself playing a piano tune of my own creation, with instructions to be played only at my funeral and then destroyed immediately thereafter. Sort of a final song, almost from beyond the grave, for people to remember me by.

The idea actually came to me when I was at a funeral.

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>>725581897
No, if im dead, i'm past the point of caring about anything, leave my body to rot in a ditch idgaf.

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So anyone have that discord link? Or more gifs/webms?

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>>725582133
I'm not talented enough to play anything of merit. But I've always known what I wanted when I die. things like life events are less concrete for me. But that probably has a lot to do with my limited life expectancy.

>>725582014
ROFL
>>725582214
AY MAMA!!

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We are like chameleons, we take our hue and the color of our moral character, from those who are around us.

>>725581797
as a very crude example. if one were divide the two hemispheres and place them in a body *each. and added a new blank hemisphere in *each and restored the connections between them. which one is the original? who is conscious?

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>>725582222
Oh come on I've got to get discord link now. I got quads.

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>>725582567
need octs or better

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>>725582635
:(

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>>725582222
i got u fam


There is no greater tyranny than that which is perpetrated under the shield of the law and in the name of justice.

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>>725582348
Well in what little time you have, make sure you can look back on life and not regret trying something you wish you had tried.
Only then have you truly lived.

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>>725582804
Now what I'm after :(

>>725576314
weird fucks

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>>725582886
Not* fuck

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>>725582886
is this more furry for you?

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>>725582487
The original no longer exists, and both are copies. Assuming both can fully understand the gravity of the above sentence, then both are conscious.

>>725583024
No

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>>725583079
If you marry her, is this considered polygamy?

>>725581542
no.
If that were the case there would be no stigma against rape.

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>>725583113
fine

>>725583079
the Fursona for those minnesota chicks?

>>725581193
but evolutionarily favourable?
I dont see hipster monkeys, do you?

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Discord anyone? Please? I'll stop asking if someone can link me

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>>725583202
>minnesota chicks
hwat

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>>725582805
My life is an empty pit of loneliness. the fact I'm still alive is just because of apathy at this point.

>>725583278
You also see a shit load of normies with kids who also happen to live in poverty and be worthless to the economy

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>>725583179
Rape is socially wrong and unforgivable for a number of reasons, and I do not condone it. But from an evolutionary standpoint, it gets the job done. Feral cats mate almost exclusively by rape. That is just how they live. Does that make every cat evil?
Wait. Actually, cats are evil.

anyone got gifs

>>725581945
If i build a really complex clock that responds to speech by moving its arms to communicate back, then is the clock conscious?
I believe that complexity cannot give rise to consciousness. 1 gear didn't, so why would 8 billion?

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>>725582487
This >>725583063 is right. Assuming that the transfer is completed without drawbacks, both would wake up with the similar personalities but would then develop differently.

This change can be seen whenever someone has their corpus callosum is severed. Some tasks become harder, and in extremes some people can no longer recognize their own body, as well as having it move on its own.

>>725582465
there are some things which we do not, but overall this is indeed the case.

>>725583063
you are correct in saying that the original no longer exists however, copies is a rather poor description.
As it implys that one of them was synthesized from the ether. division and continuation is what is actually happening. but the process of division has kept the idea of originals consciousness valid.

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>>725583494
Yeah, life gets pretty lonely. That's why we're here. Gotta savor those tiny bits of joy.

>>725583554
I just did a 180
good point anon.
I now need to reconsider my life.
>>725583567
If rape were not socially wrong would you do it?
If morals are on the principle of what others think then morals are hypocritical.

most of you don't even like the furry fandom, right ?

>>725584222
we just fap to this shit.
not me tho. i have reasons to abstain.

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>>725584101
It's bad. I haven't cried in years.I used to be able to bully myself into it. I want to cry. i need to cry. But even when I'm just emotional they never come. Makes me feel even worse about myself. Can;t even cry right.

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>>725576593
I support people getting as many augs as they want, as long as they realize the consequences. It would make porn insanely interesting.

>>725584304
Welcome to chronic depression.
Complete apathy towards emotional stimuli.
It's a special type of hell, suicide wont solve it tho.

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>>725584439
But it will end it.

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>>725584167
>If rape were not socially wrong would you do it?
If I were a creature driven by the instinct to do so, than that's what would happen. If not, then it wouldn't happen. Am I such a creature, driven by the desire to rape? No.
>>725584167
>morals are hypocritical.
Nah, they're just relative to whatever society thinks they should be. Dare I say it, they evolve around whatever the zeitgeist of the time is.

>>725584651
I think moral relativism really is hypocritical though. If one bases their moral law on what people say is and is not moral, then they are only doing it to show people how great they are, not for the sake of human decency or any higher purpose. They would easily abandon their morals given the circumstances or chance to never be found out.

I prefer moral objectivism, but that's just the way i am.

>>725582535
nice F E E T

>>725584651
are you such a creature? Or are you more than your base instinct?

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>>725584439
I wish modern medicine cared more than they do about treating depression. It's ridiculous that they default to a pill regimen for most cases, when there are better ways of treating it that don't revolve around a lifetime of medication. But hey, I guess there's no money in that.

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>>725585064
Especially since I don't take medicine for anything. I don't agree with it. I'd rather let my body work and do what it's supposed to until it can't. and then I'll die.

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>>725585005
Let me think. Do I want to rape? Hm... no. Never have. So I am not such a creature. This is MY instinct.

However, it is observed that there are people out there that rape. They are driven to do so primally. So these people do exist.
Like I said, rape is wrong, but it gets the job done. This genetic desire is passed on, and another is born. This is their instinct.

>>725585064
Not really the case. There are greedy corporation hospitals, then there are doctors who follow the hypocratical oath to the fullest because they care about patients and not cash.
You just learn to live with the apathy, like i have.
My depression is due to my own life choices and pessimism.

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>>725585601
I prefer realism myself. But otherwise
>this

>>725585542
>this/that is my/their instinct
So they lack cognition or agency in their actions?

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Okay, I really need rest for work tomorrow. Thanks for the stimulating conversation s/fur!

>>725585786
lets philosophize on caturday.
i need to shower before 1:00am

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>>725587344
hey m8. Thread died really quickly.

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>>725576812
If a digital replica of your brain was made, it would think there had been a successful transfer of consciousness.

>>725589525
ahah doggo

>>725589606
thanks mittens

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>>725585740
not that anon, but I assume they don't lack cognition of what they are doing most of the time, nor agency. They simply have strong urges, and bad moral structure alongside weak willlpower for self control.

>>725589790
I took this photo and was surprised the cat was so photogenic. I'm very happy.

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>>725585064
Curing depression is hardly straightfoward.
Leading a meaningful, interesting life is increasingly difficult as world population increases and people are stuck with increasingly narrow jobs.
And some kinds of depression aren't even related to that issue, such as metaphysical paranoia (such as regarding eternal life and oblivion as both infinitely bad fates, tbh this one still gives me panic attacks).

It's even possible for metaphysical paranoia to pass on as a genetic trait as nature's gigantic "fuck you" towards a family's sanity.

>>725585064
Capitalism hurts all fields of science, and hurts all people.

>>725590466
>It's even possible for metaphysical paranoia to pass on as a genetic trait as nature's gigantic "fuck you" towards a family's sanity.
Choose not to have kids then. Breeders are disgusting.

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>>725590560

>>725590809
Putin and the Russian Federation are both capitalist.

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whats s/fur listening to tonight?
https://youtu.be/dXp64bltOnQ

>>725591182
please don't post herm shit

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>>725591259
i didnt post anything

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>>725590612
Perhaps; despite my genetics being of good quality otherwise, it hardly seems fair to have a child likely to be successful but unhappy!
I'd be almost as bad as stereotypical Chinese parents just by having a child.
Besides, I don't think my crush who I hope to end up in a relationship with wants children.

>>725591453
Having a child is incredibly greedy and selfish.
>I'd be almost as bad as stereotypical Chinese parents just by having a child.
Sadly, my parents were as bad as that stereotype.

>>725591564
>Having a child is incredibly greedy and selfish
true, but it won't stop me from doing it one day. No fucking way most other people are going to,

>>725591564
But if no one had children, humans wouldn't exist.
Besides, having children is only inherently bad if you feel that existing is guaranteed to be worse than not existing.

>>725591453
>semicolon after interjection
>pretentious writing style
>"superior genetics"
>who in the objective case
:^?

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>>725592883
I never have and never will use "whom", and I would love to see the word fall out of use completely just because of the small number of people who constantly insist on its use.

And I see nothing wrong with liberal use of the semicolon; it's a very useful way for making sentences flow correctly without significant rearrangements.

>>725591564
Disagree.
It's a huge mortgage payment and time investment.
Basic economics.

bogda bogda bogdanoff

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm284U-mxTg

>>725594984
>>>/global/rules/11

>>725576314
bum,p

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I wonder if it's possible for two photons to get caught in each other's gravity if they come close enough together?

anything animated?